New Rule: The War on Office Romance | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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If loneliness is destroying our health, it’s just not helpful to be criminalizing workplace relationships.
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Years ago I was a manager of a health club and worked it 60 hours per week. I had no time or energy to socialize outside of the club and despite looking at pretty women in workout clothes 12 hours per day I was lonely and starved for sex because the owners had a no dating rule for employees. Finally one of the aerobic instructors took a liking to me and we began a secret affair, trying to keep our romance from the owners who were like bloodhounds stalking us all the time to make sure we weren't boinking each other. After almost a year of this our affair was finally discovered and the girl was fired. I was demoted and I quit as a result and went to work for a competitive club, married my aerobic instructor, and then we proceeded to put the original health club out of business. KARMA
Great story .. also shows exactly how dumb society has become .. there are lots of PHDs in the background pushing all of this stuff and most of them have no idea at all ..
BASED story! Congrats on finding love! 👏 🧡
Bravo, people need to stay out of other people's business.
Awesome?
KARMA!
About 1/3 of workplace romances turn permanent. Those are DAMN EXCELLENT odds. You get to see someone for their daily strengths immediately, and you respect each other for your accomplishments. Isn't that how things are supposed to be?
I'm impressed by your DAMN EXCELLENT made up statistic 😅
At this rate we will have to get approval from corporations or angry online mobs before we can even date someone in our private lives. They act like they're trying to "protect" people but what they actually want is to control you.
@@david7384 Oh come on... 97% of all statistics are made up on the spot... 11% of all people know that.
@@david7384 It was valid about 6 years ago.
@@allyourpie4323 Valid in how many studies with how many participants?
Wife and I met at the office and we had to hide it from everyone, felt like we were covering up a damn murder.
Nowadays you basically are lol
My dad met my stepmom at work (my mom had died 3 years before that) 50 years ago. I met my husband at work and we had to report it. We waited until we were engaged. My supervisor and owner looked at each other and said, “Do we allow that?” shrugged and said, “Congratulations.” That was 22 years ago. Glad it happened back then.
Met my wife at work 12 years ago on a production line.
The term "unauthorized boning" killed me 🤣🤣🤣😂
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wow in wonder if someone in a hospital Emergency Room did this...
The "loneliness epidemic" is the most important part of this. Legally denying people the right to date coworkers, then ridiculing them because they can't find someone (when, in fact, they have) is cruel and obnoxious, not to mention controlling.
"is cruel and obnoxious, not to mention controlling."
First time you've capitalismed?
Corporations are people too, which is why we need to consider their feelings when choosing romantic partners.
@@thealternative9580 hahahaha
honestly dude are worried about getting involved with some psycho who is going to accuse them of rape for a microagressiom and women are worried about being raped. there's no level of common trust anymore.
Firing one or both employees is alot like shooting yourself in the foot. Corporate has to spend money to find and train new employees who may or may not stay or be as good as the originals. If you are a hard worker and intelligent, if you don't meet a mate in school or work you're generally not privy to much info about the person you're with and that is dangerous.
If it's consensual, and especially if they're hiding it (no PDAs) back off HR. We know HR thinks they're gods but at most they're lawyers (God's opposite).
So true...20 years ago I dated someone in my office and was eventually fired. We're still married today with 3 kids.
A female coworker placed her hand on my shoulder dragging it down to the tricep caressing the muscles while giggling at my stupid joke. She did this in front of the whole office. She’s an attractive girl and I didn’t mind but I freaked out, panicked that someone would report me for some kind of harassment. The company had recently fired 4 men for “harassment” of a female worker (she didn’t make the claim, she said she wasn’t being harassed but the company fired her male coworkers anyway).
You might be working at the wrong company....
@@boet9ner it’s not the company. It’s the culture in the west.
You gotta be careful around these women today. I thought the MeToo movement was great and a bunch of guys complaining about how they can't even compliment a woman were being overly dramatic, but now I see there is a real problem aside from that. The way men are treated is becoming scary, because I know how crazy other guys out there can be.
Keep in mind when I say this as a socially awkward, nerdy, shy guy who never talks to women or bothers anyone, I go to work with my head down and my suicidal thoughts about how depressed I am. And I worked in a clothing store (until yesterday).
But I got told out of the blue from HR that staff complained that I "stand too close" to women, and that encouraging women to try new clothes was "inappropriate", and when they try new clothes on telling them "they look great" was inappropriate, and also I "follow women around the store" XD like wtf, I do not follow my staff around the store but I was also the assistant manager so I have to be there to direct everyone.
And a new girl complained to HR that I "ignore" women when they come into the store to shop, which I don't.
And I also stare at her awkwardly when we are trying to pass through the same doorway, which I don't lol we both say Sorry and step around each other like normal human beings at any job.
They also complained that I see beautiful women walk by and comment about how I think they are beautiful XD
which all the guys do, but apparently it's super inappropriate to think someone is attractive aloud these days.
They literally had a list of things I either said out of context and added things that I've never said.
Im basically a piece of shit women hater, harasser, rapist, baby murderer now.
So I quit my job.
Holy shit
@@JezaLoki and the South
"When your fucking someone at the office, you know they can hold down a job."
I just lost it from that phrase. Keep it up, Bill.
"Promoting someone who doesn't deserve it because they are blowing you"
How is that not earning and deserving a promotion???
You're *
I don’t date and/or fuck women I work with because it leads to too much awkwardness, but if other people do, I give a grand total of zero shits.
Agreed 100%
Only people i've seen give a crap, are the guys who just wished they were dating them instead lol
I'm going to call you by the screen name smart guy instead of some guy
Essentially
@@rovospire I'm one of those guys on the outside looking in but I still support most office romances.
Nicely said, Bill. Good reality check on "WHO is being harmed by consensual relationships in the workplace if job performance isn't negatively affected?!"
The feelings of the progressive morality police. I'm not sure who else.
@@jackalcoyote8777 No. It's the company's profits.
"In that time they were kissing each other, they could have filled out another report!" - The company
I cannot count how many final new rules that I find incredibly insightful and on point. Love ya Bill.
This is true and funny. The best couple I know met working at my company. I can't imagine legislating relationships between consenting adults that work for me. It's not my business.
Louis, Does your company allow a supervisor to ask a staff member out on a date?
If so, if she says no ..how do you convince her that she still be treated equally afterwards?
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oh shit didnt expect to see you here. Hi Louis!
@@percival23 Super easy:
Rational, thoughtful, sane adults that work under the same roof tend to talk to each other for a while before trying any type of relationship. What you're describing is a teenager or young adult that hasn't matured emotionally.
The fact that you:
- Immediately assumed genders here (because you said "she says no" - does that mean women can't be bosses?)
- cannot comprehend that normal adults don't ask out a co-worker 5 minutes after meeting them (and the ones that do don't last in any job)
shows your level of immaturity and bias. Not Louis'.
Consenting adults should be free to hook up, as long as they have compatible phone chargers.
And we have the gall to keep calling ourselves "land of the free".
great stuff Bill. So sick of corporations getting more and more involved in policing our goddamned personal lives and personal views.
is better for corporations if you don''t get married.... actually if you get married to your job is even better for corporations.
but if businesses do not control relationship the business is sued out of business
Yeah, people worry so much about big brother being an oppressive government while overlooking the fact that it is corporations were acquiring every goddamn bit of data they possibly can about us as individuals. Like right now here on TH-cam for instance.
There really is a loneliness epidemic out there. I might only be 19 years old, but I do want to know what it is like to have someone care for me as more than just a friend. I want to care for someone. I haven't been given that opportunity and when COVID hit when I was in grade 11, it cut me off from all contact with my school friends. The only contact I had was my coworkers. Yes, I had female coworkers my age, but we were all so concerned with passing school in a pandemic that companionship wasn't a priority. COVID, a time when any companionship at all was cherished.
Imagine that, but for the rest of your life.
Sorry to be pessimistic, but most women only "care" about you because of what you can provide/help them with. Afterwards, over time, they can become comfortable and attached, and then it appears that they care about you (but remember, this is usually after you have been of long-term service to them).
Get a hooker , use protection.
Man that sucks. I guess as an old salty 40 year old I didn't ever imagine what juniors and seniors went through during the plandemic.
Don't worry kid, you got a long way to go.
These two above me are cynics. One of them IS half right.
You're a man. You are valued to women based on three things. Your looks are the least of the 3. Compatibility is 2nd. The most important is what you can provide for her. These three variables are plugged into a woman's relationship equation with various degrees based on her particular perception.
One woman might think a man she sees is physically attractive while her friend thinks the same man is repulsive so this formula isn't always the same for every woman.
Here's my advice and you can take or leave it. It's free so you might as well take it.
Work. If you're not in college pursuing a worthwhile degree that will give you a guaranteed career opportunity right now then get your ass to work. Obviously try to work at something you like but even if you are a trashman swinging on a garbage truck - do your best. Work hard. It's called "work" for a good reason.
Be honest. Trust me on this one. It's so much easier and it's morally righteous.
Be healthy. Eat right. Get some exercise. No good woman wants a sickly weak bodied man. Protein, starch, vegetable - every meal. If you can't take care of yourself then how can you care for her?
Be confident. This involves you being able to back up your confidence. No one likes a blowhard bragart but if you can back up your words with your actions then you are not being shitty. You're being honest.
Be chivalrous. Open her door, pull out her chair, take her coat, carry the heavy objects, kill the bugs, go check the bumps in the night with extreme prejudice and violence of action, be capable in your manhood.
You can be ugly as shit but if you're confident in yourself and you're shredded like an Olympic swimmer with a stable job - you'll be fine.
Ground work aside you also have to think about what girl you want to attract. Do you want young women with daddy issues and are willing to screw your brains out within hours of meeting them? That's easy. Go to a college bar. Go to a strip club. Flash some cash. Be the "Good Time Charlie". You'll get laid. When you stop being good time Charlie, well then goodbye Charlie.
You can cast a wide net so to speak. Ask every woman who you think is attractive out on a date. (If you ask then you pay for the date by the way) Law of Averages states that by mathematical certainty you will get rejected a lot but you will also get more women who say "yes".
You can't hit a homerun if you don't swing at the pitches.
There's another route. It's pretty obvious if you really think about it.
You want love? Compassion? Intelligence? Commitment? Deep mutual understanding?
Probably not gonna find that at 1:30 AM in a dive bar on a Tuesday in downtown Nowheresville.
Where does a young man find good a good woman?
On you kid. The Onus will always be on you. You are a man. Figure it out. That's the fun part.
Hint: nurses.
I ain't kidding. Nurses are some of the best women this planet has ever produced. Find yourself a nurse and she will take care of everything else that you can't handle.
Good luck kid. I'm rooting for you.
Maybe you should have said fuck you to the covid rules and done what you wanted to like the normal people did
I had a rule against office romances back on the day, I broke it once. We are now 10 years married with 2 kids and couldn't be happier.
The "no dating coworkers" in the office rules are usually because of the lowest common denominator who eventually become a problem because they are dating and working together. Fights (after breaking up) arguments, overt displays of affection, and professional "favors" happen between "some" couples, and it's an HR nightmare that no one wants to have to deal with. Much like most of us don't need "child guard caps" on our pill bottles, most of us have to deal with the repercussions of what a few have done or will do.
EXACTLY!! It becomes a mess.. not just for HR but everyone else in the office due to the stress and the poor work product and such of the couple in question!! When you "work it" at work, the WORK suffers and it reflects badly on the employees who have to then clean up the mess and onto the clients who are not too pleased as to why and how this happened.
Yup! and Bill didnt even mention the fact that a couple of those people were married, Olivia with Children. Its messy and they should be ashamed. If you wanna bone someone at least give your partner the divorce they deserve.
Not to forget, if the fallout occurs. Mostly to get back lawsuits on firm happens as "failed to protect me",payout from firms and firing of other person.
It's just blown out of proportion.
Then consensual part somehow everyone forgets. It's really not worth it.
And those kind of people are repeat offenders, again and again.
@@creativewriter3887 But again, we're speaking of the lowest common denominator. That's like saying (feel free to choose your own political side on this) we should ban ALL GUNS, or ban ALL DRUGS because of the actions of a few. You missed Helux's entire point.
@@moresnacksplease526 Um, we're talking about WORK here. SHOULDN"T guns be banned from the work place? Drugs? Alcohol? Predatory sexual advances? Discrimination? Harassment? And on a lower banal level-- footballs, basketball.. How about paint balls and guns? How about some bungee cords to jump off the building while at lunch?? See how both dangerous and absurd this can get? Again, we're talking WORK here. Keep it about the work and not everything else. If you want to do drugs, alcohol, shoot off a few rounds, score some booty and love interest, play field hockey or football, do it OUTSIDE of work. I think people are missing the point! We're NOT in high school anymore!!
It is such a tragedy that 70% of adults aged 18 to 24 reported feeling lonely.
Which is a direct consequence of the "everybody gets a trophy mentality" that plagues current generations. Nothing prepares you for the trials and tribulations of life like "safe spaces" and coddling. 🙄 Now for those inevitable "ok boomer" responses, I'm not making fun of people with actual mental difficulties, but 70% of 18-24 year olds? Come on now. We're raising generations of pussies who can't cope with life and it's showing.
Because women are making money off of lonely men. See Only Fans.
@@whiteyobanion1104 god you men are so pathetic take control of your own porn addictions
I can tell you the numbers aren't getting better for any age group. Woke feminsm is killing us.
@@whiteyobanion1104 that is correct. So much money for so little tail.
My husband and I met at work 23 years ago, and we're still together. We had to keep it a secret until I got a position in another department, though. That company has long since gone bankrupt and folded, so that should tell you something about what is ultimately more durable and important. Unless there is harassment or abuse, employers should have no purview over who their employees sleep with or date.
My fiance and I met at the office. Same goes for my brother and his wife.
Trying to restrict such a thing is futile.
Another example of people trying to find a permanent fix for something where attempting to implement the “fix” leads to unintended consequences worse than actually dealing with it. Well said Bill, always on point and maintaining an enlightened perspective.
Consequence of a “results-driven,” more like results-obsessed, culture: you have solutions sniffing around for “problems.”
It’s because most relationships end up in shit and now the workplace has a shit environment because someone wanted to get blown by the secretary.
That's the entirety of government history right there.
Well said YOU! This seems like it was a really good show, gonna have to watch the full thing
Solutionism.
Totally agree that these ridiculous rules at places of business have gone too far! People have a hard enough time finding love, and yes, there is an epidemic of loneliness. If they find love at work, let them!
Tell that to all the companies who had to pay millions to people who said they were sexually harassed in the work place because people was trying to start up an office romance or the person were in a relationship but didn't get the promotion they wanted or got fired! They do go after the person they were having the affair with they go after the company! This is why these policies are in place!
Until you're being tortured by the boss's new love interest and she's trying to fire you. These are why the rules are in place.
I agree with u… ppl have a hard enough time finding love
Wait until your boss is having a relationship with your coworker and then she seems to be getting all the promotions and bonuses while you get extra work piled on you. I bet you’d think about office relationships differently 😂
I've met many people over the years, men and women, who you wanted to ask, "Exactly WHO do you have pictures of?" They're wholly unqualified, constantly screwing up and yet they're teflon. There are many innocent relationships in offices but one does have to be smart about how they go about persuing the relationship and not be a creep or an ogre.
It’s scary when Bill Maher is one of the only reasonable ppl left in media.
Thank you for speaking your mind and not caring about getting cancelled.
I literally would not exist if these policies were in place back in the 1970s.
This is Bills subtle way of saying he wants to hook up with his secretary and that he shouldn't get fired for it.
Well, if his secretary is a 100% willing participant, what’s the issue?
And before anyone comes at me, think about the example he gave regarding Michelle Robinson and her now husband, Barack Obama.
ST*U
@@DorvellTStewart I agree, I don't get why we stigmatize guys banging their secretaries. I mean, yeah hiring them cause want to pursue a relationship isn't exactly the most godly thing to do, but these people act like these women have to have sex with any man who has power over them. Its why I love and hate HR, cause it should be there, so women who aren't interested can say no without repercussions. But I hate that its there to destroy guys lives over consensual relationships.
Yep and thats okay! Here in europe we have labor laws that prevent companies from dictating our personal life.
If CEO fucks a secretary he literally cannot be fired for it. Its a personal issue.
@@rovospire because you guys in the states have a very perverse relationship with sex in general...
We met on the job. We had the same title, working for an elected official as chief staff members. She had slight seniority over me in the position. We asked the boss if we could start "seeing" each other (a common but curious expression since we clearly were seeing each other every day) and he was surprised but said OK. We then began seeing each other in public, with minor PDAs. It came time for a raise, and I told the Boss I'm worth a 20 percent (as opposed to a normal 10 percent raise) and he told me he could do that because it would mean I would make more than her. I said I had a solution: give her a pay raise to keep her somewhat higher than me. He said OK. Now, it's 25 years later, and we've been happily married for 24 years. The workplace is the best place to meet a quality person, I think.
My wife and I met at work, and 23 years later it still seems to be working.
I just completed a class on Harassment In The Work Place, which discourages dating, while stressing the importance of avoiding amorous relationships in the workplace due to the conflicts they present, and the distraction to others.
Probably taught by the inhuman resources department. Anything that takes you away from 8+ hours a day of slavery, while chained to a desk, is mutiny and must not be allowed by the powers that be who claim themselves as gods. 🙄
Bill Maher is correct to a point, but the flip side to office relationships is if they go sour, then you're stuck at work with an ex-, or you can have favoritism during the relationship that pisses off other people.
@@azeez8399 That's why you don't do it. Period.
And yet the exact same types that relentlessly pushed for this excruciatingly boring, repetitive lecturing ALSO dismissed the arguments of conservatives and combat veterans that introducing gays and women into the military would create distracting and divisive rivalries, favoritism, jealousy, resentment, disgusted rejection with the resulting humiliated demoralization or hatred, etc.
Anything to get people to stop fucking huh?
Bill, you're slaying it. Beneath the jokes, this is a really poignant segment.
The unspoken part of this is who pushed all these policies down people's throats.
Well the Celtics had a "don't fuck the VPs wife" policy. A pretty easy one to follow lol.
Capitalists don't like disruptions in the work place. They've determined it is better for them productivity and legally wise to have a no fraternization policy.
HR “professionals” and company Lawyers who litigate sexual harassment lawsuits. In this cost cutting culture that defines modern business the bottom line is their religion, everything else be damned.
@@thealternative9580 Off you go to deliver your daughter or sister to local party leader, like a good comrade, and then pretend it never happened.
F Bill. He and many like him are *exactly* the reason Weinstein raped people for decades, had people deliver his victims. Maher thinks that’s just the odd thing to watch out for, but what’s important for him is to bring back the casting couch, because that’s where “love” happens on planet Bill.
I met my husband at work 20 years ago I thank God everyday for that 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I think this is why a lot of people don't even bother with relationships or dating because it's ridiculous how you're not even allowed to HUG your lover at work. Or anyone, for that matter. This calling of mine was crying because her grandmother died and the boss high-fived her because it's the only physical conduct he was allowed to give
Did you ever wonder why that is? Maybe companies don’t want the fallout of an ugly breakup. Also you shouldn’t be showing pda at work anyway grow up and act professional
And you think that applies to the above situation? Such empathy. 🫣
@@msnewsenior Jesus Christ. Someone's grandmother dies and it's unprofessional to console them by offering a hug while they're sobbing? Piss off.
@@msnewsenior Besides sometimes a hug or quick kiss is the perfect morale boost on a particularly stressful day. What are you, a Muslim?
@@SomethingSomethingg As a Eurabian I must say the situation reeks of !s!amification, yes. In America it's usually due to that other cult but then they are just two sides of the same knife. Religion ruins everything.
Unauthorized boning! 😂😂😂
That’s the funniest phrase I’ve ever heard.
I love when New Rule doesn’t depress me to my core. But then again I’m 22 years married to the woman who was once the “new girl” in the office and was 10 years younger than me. Got in under the wire!
Very poorly worded, I had to do a triple take to understand what you REALLY meant 🤨😂
@@darkestknightshade1356 The improbability makes the wording self-explanatory.
@@darkestknightshade1356 I thought he married a 12-year-old. I had to read it a few times too lol.
@@darkestknightshade1356 That's what happens to a man's brain after 22 years of marriage
Wow had to read again to understand she wasn't 12yo 😂
Well at least I know I’m not the only one feeling extremely lonely and having a hard time forming relationships outside of my home.. within the last year, none of my peers want to do much of anything. It’s such a task dragging people out to do something simple like a hike or get together for a drink..
Bill Maher has become the ultimate voice of common sense.
Nailed it Bill. I've thought this forever. Once you're out of school your opportunities for meeting new people is drastically reduced. If you didn't meet someone to date or marry then you might have a tough time finding someone in large part because the majority of where most of us spend our time is at work. Meeting someone at work gives you tons of data on this person; they're employed, hirable, accountable to an organization, have money coming in, likely doesn't have a criminal record for violent crime and you have the added benefit of getting to know them gradually in an environment where they can demonstrate a pattern of behavior to you and others that might deem them trustworthy or a reliable mate/partner. You don't feel pressure to sleep with them immediately because you're worried you better do so while the window is still open or they might lose interest. You know you'll see them tomorrow and the next day. You have a chance for this to unfold slowly over time until you're comfortable and confident they are someone you trust. They are also accountable because they have now tied their work to their relationship and if one goes sour the other might too. In other words; they're making an investment and not just texting "you up"? I think it's completely absurd that companies have policies that block people from dating coworkers and God forbid someone higher up dates someone lower than them on the corporate ladder. Who cares???? I think this perfectly captures the stupid arbitrary rules we come up with that are completely against our bet interest. We feel it's vitally important to capture EVERYT?HING (potential for abuse....) that we must create policies that cover every last variable. Is there potential for abuse, exploitation or worse? Of course! But rather than using those examples perhaps a little nuance would come in handy. Handle abuse on a case by case basis rather than punishing and enforcing silly rules on everyone else.
Can individual companies really do much without risking lawsuits? You liberalize the rules on dating/what's appropriate in the workplace and the next thing you know Susan is suing the company for $26 million because some guy went too far and touched her waist or a lame IT guy merely made her feel uncomfortable by making a vulgar joke or attempting to give a compliment.
This is the best comment.
@@Rockownz5150 Fairly easy to avoid, make it part of the employee contract that the company waives liability regarding all interpersonal relationships. If gun manufacturers can't get sued for their guns being used in murders/crime/terrorist plots, seems like this should be doable.
@ MrBrock314 it’s not that easy with managers and subordinates. Employment law dictates that a manger is a representative of a company. So the company cannot waive its liability in that particular instance. If 2 subordinates have an issue the company is not liable, unless they were made aware of harassment before. With a manger they can be sued even if it is the first instance of harassment. This is why there is a zero tolerance policy when it comes to managers and subordinates.
Employees should also stand up for schedules that are more conducive to having time to meet other people.
The reason they forbid it is the absolute horrid politics and fallout in the workplace due to the relationship. Has nothing to do with love but protecting the bottom line and keeping the workplace functional.
Nonsense everywhere else in western world companies dont get to dictate who you fuck in your personal time. Labor laws prohibit that kind of dystopian corporate rule.
Thank you. People don't get it until they lose their job because an idiot.
Yeah the amount of fights you attract if everyone is fucking everyone is absolutely going underlooked by Free Love Bill here.
The problem is this assumes adults can act like adults in a situation like this… but I’ve seen break up’s where suddenly the staff refuse to work with each other..
I must say Bill was absolutely spitting facts. No lies detected in this clip. Not often I can't poke some holes in his arguments but I stand with him fully on this one.
Bingo! Well done and put together. "It's none of your business." something that needs to be said more often.
This is very sensible Bill Maher's being very sensible
I agree as long as it's consensual. As long as it doesn't interfere with their responsibilities at work. It's nobody's business but the employees involved.
Bill is absolutely the best.
This one is so engaging for me since the only two long term help relationships i have had in my life where with someone i met at work. I know so many people who met and work and have had long marriages... including my grand parents. who were married 80 years. To forbid them at certain work spaces is so insane when you think about..
At least half of the relationships I've had over the past 30 years have been with coworkers. And I imagine like many here, I wouldn't even exist were these restrictions always in place. My parents met while they were working at the same department store back in the sixties.
I too, would not exist. Though my existence makes these people unhappy so... I don't they'd find it a compelling argument.
@@Oblithian (Excellent YT moniker.) I watched a few of your video shorts. If you are not already in broadcasting, I imagine you would do quite well. You've got the perfect voice for it IMO. 😎👍
"I wouldn't even exist were these restrictions always in place"
Don't want to sound mean to you specifically but is that necessarily a bad thing? We have too many people here on Earth already, don't we? We know Bill agrees with this view.
@@Rockownz5150 Troll alert!
@@strangerdanger8462 How am I a troll? It is widely recognized that overpopulation is a problem and Bill likes to verbally pat millennials on the back for not having nearly as much kids compared to previous generations.
*Please don’t ignore the thousands of “relationships” that involve coercion, violence, and most often the abuse of power over subordinates.*
He hits the nail on the head.
THANK YOU for this series, Bill Maher. We badly need someone famous keeping it real!
Great show Bill! Just what we need at this critical time!!! Keep up the great work!!!
The one thing Maher didn't mention about the Celtics coach is that he was sleeping with the wife of a Celtics executive, which regardless of how you feel on this issue, is 100% inappropriate. That's the kind of interoffice relationship that should always be met with disciplinary measures.
Can you point to the confirmed reporting of who the woman was in the Udoka relationship? That has not been made public to the best of my knowledge.
No, a business is not some kind of “moral guardian” that gets to dictate on questions of “right & wrong” for others.
No it’s not. Who are you to judge?
who knows... people grow and change and the best prospects are rarely single.. even the single ones aren't usually really single
Can you please be more specific about why you think that "having an affair with the wife of a Celtics executive" is "100% inappropriate?"
Is it because the woman in question is the property of the unnamed executive? Would this be the same logic that would argue that taking the executives car for a joy ride without his permission is "100% inappropriate?" Or am I missing something?
I met my lady at work. Best thing that ever happened to me. Makes me shudder to even imagine if I had chosen not to go over and say hi because we were coworkers.
This was spot on , I called on a company that stated no married couples could work there. You date then get married, then one of you MUST quit !! I couldn’t believe it , great
commentary Bill M and I’m a Republican 🇺🇸
"who are we protecting here?!"
We're protecting all the people who DIDN'T blow their boss!!
...and the ones who don't want to and don't ever want to deal with that situation
Then don't blow your boss smh
@@thedoctorthemasterandthegu7302 low IQ detected
Definitely a loneliness epidemic out there.
P.s. - I never said I was lonely. If you are so damaged that you feel the need the berrate me over this comment, have at it, but know it has ZERO AFFECT and means NOTHING, and is based on an assumption, not my actual statement. And also, it shows your inhumane cruelty and lack of empathy toward other human beings.
@CK George1989 ok bro
and it's clearly being exacerbated deliberately by the powers that be. easier to make a bunch of workplace drones that way. long term planning, ya know?
Which is a Choice. Being lonely aka entertain me
Life happens. Adjust
GeeE, oh wah my parents didn't teach me to say hello, how are you wahhh watch I can't wahh
Grow up, clean up and realize you're lonely because it's not about you.
But then I'm a life single, Boomer, femme, and while I have moments, I am hardly lonely. Alone sure.
But then I don't wallow. If you do , get therapy you've needed anyway
@@lindaleelaw5277 kinda angry though huh
@CK George1989 You still need human interaction, sweetheart.
since he's become more middle ground, bills been actually enjoyable to watch.
i think we just found out that bill has been and always will be a romantic💚
Have always said this. I work in scientific research. We regularly pull more hours than we get paid for (60-70 per week is not unusual) and most of us are socially stunted as a result. Work is pretty much the only place most of us will meet anybody for friendships or more. And when you're in an environment where people are almost always smart, passionate and intellectual (traits that are generally highly desirable), the chances that you'd meet someone highly attractive to you is incredibly high, likely higher than anywhere else. Plus many of us are internationals who're likely only in the country for 3-4 years to do a PhD or other short-term position.
Almost everyone I know in a relationship either met their partner at work or thru online dating, because the ability to just go out and meet other people is almost totally non-existent. That doesn't mean we're not sociable people or our dynamic has somehow broken down; we just work with the hand we're dealt (though obviously, if we had the ability to greatly reform our work/life balances we'd take that too!). Fortunately we don't have a culture where we have to declare our relationships to HR or anything. I can understand why we probably should in some cases, but I am thankful that we don't.
It's idiotic to think that anyone, least of all a workplace, can decide whether or not you can like or love somebody else. Yes by all means have strong rules against actual inappropriate behaviour, but don't extend that to policing non-abusive, consensual, organically-developed relationships.
Can relate to this. Hard to imagine myself pursuing someone outside my grad school. Just the fact you see each other every day and working towards the same goal makes it all that much easier.
The funny thing is that they always talk about a power imbalance, as if a hot 25 year old doesn't have emorous power in banging men 3x her income.
You’re right, for most people the most non-family intense relationships they have are with people at work. This is where they spend 8 to 10 hours every day. It also seems like a much safer path, then meeting some random stranger over the Internet.
It also doesn't help that the entirety of western culture is plagued by intergenerational trauma. Probably.
I work as a accounting manager in a casino, which can have oversight and impact over a number of areas, even cocktail servers. So the only people with whom I could expect to meet and mingle without causing an incident would be housekeeping and the kitchen, two areas in which I'm never because I have no need to be there...
The ending of this clip hit hard. Leave it to corporate admins to overlook something far more serious and at the same time ruin a career.
We love you, Bill. Come to the right side. You know what’s up.
You wish god would speak to you clearly, I get it. I do too. I like your anti religion show btw. Because we can all tell you’re a good guy who says what he thinks.
And smart and funny as heck. I don’t mean to patronize you, I’m a real fan.
Upvote so bill sees this
I agree. All your points. Totally . On. Point. It is frustrating to even just find FRIENDS anymore. All my friends moved away so I can't just "get a coffee with them". They rarely reach out on social media or even call anymore. NO ONE calls anymore. Can you do another bit on how hard it is to establish new social connections and friendships (especially after 50). I live out in a rural area (cause we were planning on going off grid ) and I have a 68 mile RT commute. daily... no time to socialize. I am getting ready to try bingo up at the Local Catholic church up the road I am so desperate.!
I agree with you, unfortunately.
I agree. Where else can you really get to know someone in a natural setting where you are just acting like who you actually are.
I love the gasps at 3:19!
Great take Bill. Another banger.
"We must protect...uh uh uh uh this uh uh (don't say feelings, don't say feelings) uh... the thing other there." (Damn it).
Well said Bill 👍👏
I think the biggest worry companies have is if one of the two parties involved later says they felt pressured to engage in the sexual relationship and sues the company. A criminal case requires hard evidence, but a civil case is more lenient with evidence. All the plaintiff would need to do is present one text or one witness that shows the plaintiff had a moment where he/she was second guessing the workplace relationship.
As long as there is a possibility that the company itself can be sued by someone from a workplace romance, the companies are going to discourage those relationships as much as possible.
If the company was protected from lawsuits, they may be more relaxed to them. If they can tell the couple in the relationship, "If the relationship or breakup becomes a problem, you will both get fired." These things might make companies more accepting of office romances.
However, until then, the cimpanies need to take a hard stance in discouraging them. When I was working a retail job, my boss explained it simply as "Don't f@#% with the payroll."
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Father’s advice “keep your pecker out of the payroll son”!
This was more nuanced then I expected.
Honestly surprised how many long lasting relationships started in the office. Even before MeToo office Romances did not enjoy the best reputation.
Maybe its that when people "choose" to do it, they are handling it responsibly and keep it out of the workplace?
The rules came in place because of the personal drama that often gets dragged to work (or nepotism). But until that happens you really have no justification to punish them on something that 'might' happen.
My wife and I met at work in '96.
In '98, we were married.
11 years later, we retired.
I hear the company is still doing fine.
So are we.
This is a message for all to hear.
That Leprechaun has a strong finger for a reason...
finger bang!
@@email5023 BANGBANGBANG!!!
The rules against dating in the workplace have nothing to do with protecting the people engaging in the office romance. The rules are there to protect the company from lawsuits if the couple breaks up and things go bad.
Agreed, though I would have said that the rules support whatever will enhance productivity.
Bingo.
Having had a couple of office romances in my single days, I don't see many mentions of an obvious problem, which is consensual office affairs between married co-workers. The office and other workplaces are a great place to meet eligible potential partners. It is also where married people find opportunity for adulterous behavior.
You're so good at what so MANY Americans can't seem to handle: understanding the obvious!
I need to know how meeting someone at work is somehow worse than picking pictures on your phone of people like you’re buying something from Amazon.
it's not in my opinion. it is however a good way to find yourself unemployed.
Thank you Bill. I will *never* understand how people are quiet quitting, demanding higher wages, forming unions, and yet when it comes to their love life are happy to sign it away to whatever corporation they're working for! It's mind-boggling how people put their job over their own personal happiness and fulfillment. I would never in a million years let my boss tell me who I can and can't date.
Your boss wont. HR will.
@Wild Rice. I think that it’s intertwined. I believe that people are quiet quitting for the same reason that they were reluctant to returning to work at their places of businesses. That being because the environments have become stifling and overbearing.
And yet, people seem just fine with letting employers control everything else in your lives. You will tell them your vaccination status, let them control which Dr.s you are allowed to see, how many hours each day you spend with your children, how many days you are allowed to be sick, your ability to smoke or drink or be overweight outside of work, what you post on social media, your contacts list, your credit score, your unpaid debts, on and on and yet you really wonder why people don't draw the line at dating?!?!? Mkay.
@CK George1989 Toss in the move to remote work, and we should start seeing the freeways clearing up in about 16 years.
@@godmode3359 corporate slavery. Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care, the reason education will never get any better.
Bill you the best always the truth we need that so much!
Have been saying this for years. Could not possibly agree more
It's insane how simply talking to people in public is considered "harassment" by activist types
Yeah, and the real problem with that is, you don't know if the woman you're approaching is one of those activist types. That can cause more failure to launch an attempt now a days than any old fashioned fear of rejection.
You have to be bold, have some balls, and make the first move, but don’t be pushy or too aggressive.
Have fun walking that tight rope.
TBH the overall ideology and how it's becoming increasingly fundamentalist leads me to believe that people simply acknowledging others in public in any capacity is going to be an "act of violence." their aim, ultimately, is to build a world where there is literally 0 possibility of people being able to form any kind of community, let alone resist any for of oppression in any way. their weapon is fear, and their goal is to make everyone terrified of each other.
"just talking" has never being labeled as harrasment. being a creep and hitting on people in the offi e when they obviously dont want anytbing to do with you, making stupid "jokes", and overall making everyone uncomfortable IS harrasment.
@@FreebirthBoccara having a consensual relationship with a coworker or employee is NOT harassment.
Thank you for actually having a reasonable take on this. My parents met at work when my dad was her boss and they've been married for 30 years. My last girlfriend I met at work (although she was a peer) and it seems everyone is trying to frown on that these days. I'm someone who tends to work a lot so when you're in the similar situation with other people things tend to happen. Obviously not defending any people abusing their power over women tho, before some dumbass comes at me for that.
Haha, thanks for giving me a very big laugh, re your last statement!!
Amen Bill!
Why are people allowing bullies to bully relationships?
I’m an attorney who is engaged to the love of my life (and my legal assistant). As an attorney I knew what I was risking when we started dating, but it’s ridiculous that it had to be such a risk in the first place. Things have gotten way out of balance.
Yes, and I'm sure lawyers had nothing to do with things going that way.
Ironic, LOL.
A person who started dating his assistant is complaining that things are getting way out of hand. I wonder how this will end in 10 to 20 years (with an affair with your new assistant).
Lawyers in love??? Sounds quite doomed to fail.
If you brerak one rule it's that much easier to break others, specially if you got away with the first one.
I don't think employers should be allowed to ban dating but boning your own assistant is such a cliché and just acting in bad taste.
I would say though that these relationships tend to be distracting. There's a couple where I work, and they seem more focused on each other than actually doing the work. I think that's part of what the issue is.
Love ya Bill, spot on like usual!
The problem is not when the relationship is going good. It is when it goes bad and divides the staff into sides in the conflict.
The problem is when the population no longer are able to procreate.
So divorce?
@@CrextComic they’re working on that by castrating ur children n calling it compassion and inclusive
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That agenda right there in the schools
In my office we had problems with promotions that were not really due. I can see both sides on this one. I certainly don't think anyone should be fired for a relationship - as long as favoritism is never an issue.
I’m like, if the love of your life really does happen to work in the same office as you, I don’t want to stop you. But office romances can dramatically complicate workplaces (and personally, depending on the job, hitting on a coworker can be a catastrophically unprofessional act) so I get why there are policies against them. The “power imbalance” is a real thing. If Bob has a crush on Cindy, but he’s also Cindy’s boss … that puts them all in a compromised situation even if nobody technically does anything wrong. So it isn’t totally ridiculous that someone wrote a rule saying that Bob isn’t allowed to ask Cindy out
Breakups are the other issue that can be a problem.
HR is just taking the easy way out on this issue though. There could be guidelines and potential consequences if relationship problems disrupt the workplace. Promotions would have to be decided by others too.
I agree. Permission shouldn’t be required but the relationship should be declared. If it could lead to a potential conflict, of interest or any other kind, then the company has a right to know. They just don’t have a right to demand it end.
I had someone at work who quit then was rehired into a higher position because they got a recommendation from someone they were dating at the office
@@TheJadedJames But what if Cindy like Bob too or even more?
I’m a conservative but I still watch this guy because he makes a lot of great points, he’s funny, and he keeps it civil
That was just bloody fantastic. Bill is once again on a rampage, held there's a lot of material for him to shred. I hope my appreciation of this video is consensual and this video feels the same way LOL
This segment reminded me of the great theoretical physicist struggling to find a partner, after his wife died and as a young faculty in the Dept. Of Physics at Cornell Univ. before he moved to Caltech for the rest of his life.
Bravo to Bill for always bringing some touchy subjects to everyone's attention when other late night guys fail to do. This segment has pros and cons. The problem comes and it can get worse when two adults aren't mature enough to let go if things don't work(assuming that romance and relationships are allowed between co workers) and turning the work place into a circus.
Bill, You may want to read or listen to Gott's longitudinal study on married couples and they came with stunning statistics on married couples being happy and also the divorced ones and which couples are heading for divorce.
I do agree with your overall message that working people should have the freedom to choose their partner even in the same working place without a third person(no matter who that person) telling them what they should or not about their private life.
Employers get sued left and right with frivolous lawsuits when relationships occur in the workplace with the EEOC fully behind the money-grabbing lawyers with just an accusation. They have no choice but to prevent and disallow sexual relationships, especially between supervisors/subordinates.
it is usually the women who file complaints after the relationship ends, twisting the laws to get revenge. like the parents who call child protective on each other while the divorce case is in the courts. 🤔🧐🙄
@@jrs9264 not all relationships include women 🙄
@@missyyy- he didn’t say ALL relationships on this earth include women you sexist
I’ve been proud and happy to attend the weddings of several of my employees who met on the job. They’re adults and professionals, and as long as it doesn’t interfere with work, who they date is none of my damn business! 😂🥰
The as long as it doesn’t interfere with work is exactly the reason why companies don’t want office relationships. They’re not interested in managing the mess of a potentially soured relationship
Yeah well fuck companies then. What is next, Company mandates that you can not go skiing because you might get injured?
Maher has been so fire lately. Bring skit. Truer words have never spoken.
Corporations have somehow become teachers over grown adults. It's so weird.
Bruh, the internet is like a freaking kindergarten now. All social media are ran by loonies, blocking and banning people over opinions they don't like.
Dating someone I work with is a mistake I haven't made since I was a teenager.
Brilliant
10 years ago my wife and I met and started dating at a job where relationships were not allowed.
Thankfully we had a lot on our side
- being extremely professional at work to the point that most had no clue
- deep relationships with all upper management
- very high performance metrics and outcomes
- clear added benefits to the business as we would both often work for free to support the other
We existed as a known exception to the rule.
Today we have a family, kids, home etc.
Work is probably one of the best possible ways to find a partner for life.
If you can work with someone, tolerate and collaborate with them under pressure for hours a day, and be attracted to them - you're probably going to be solid for the long haul.
It's the perfect test bed :p
It's a shame to think about how many potential perfect families are lost to senseless workplace relationship rules
You did it smart, it's mature and spicy to be discreet.
plus you save tons of money on gas cause you can travel to work together.
@@ZlatnoPeroTV and men save on frivolous dates, going nowhere, getting to know someone who is looking for freebies.
you forgot the flip side and how many families are ruined due to workplace relationships. You did it right, I bet many more have at least one of the two participants married and end up divorcing their spouse to continue the office romance.
@@rustyoak8860 oh man, I hope it's not the case that "many more" workplace relationships are affairs vs organic starts.
I'm sure there's not published data, but I'd be very sad to learn that if it was true.
I worked at an office where I met a girl I started secretly dating. Our mutual friends also started dating each other. My mother worked there, and there was a "no family" policy. Every day felt like Mission Impossible.
Fun!
"Passion Is Possible!" 👍
Missionary Impossible
@@worldmusicnashvillepodcast8280 Good one! (I started off the likes) 👍
The adam levine line was killer.
So true!
I'm an attorney, and the workplace rules are there because without them, sexual harassment claims that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for the employer to defend will happen. The couple might break up on bad terms . . . lawsuit. A manager gives his girlfriend a good review and a bad review to her co-worker . . . lawsuit. Also workplace relationships still happen. The reason you report them to the company is to ensure that the company can modify its behavior, not to let the company meddle in your relationship.
You're absolutely right, HR is there to protect the company, not help workers. Unfortunately.
It's a shame this zero tolerance stuff exists, common sense is lacking.
@@brianmiller1077 Common sense is doing your job and NOT groping your co-workers. Are you insane?
@@sullen2420 Common Sense is two consenting adult peers at a place that they spend more time than they do at home getting to know each other better outside of office hours.
Yes if there a power difference it's not a peer relationship. Two actors falling in love on a set happens all the time. Not a great track record all the time, that is true. I'm talking Paul Newman/Joanne Berstein not Harvey Weinstein here.
Zero tolerance sucks.
Translation: As an attorney, I know this because attorneys created this s-show and we make our living from it. Neener neener neener.
@@brianmiller1077 If I ask a random girl out a bar, we are on an equal playing field and she can either give me her number, or choose to never see me again. We are in a social setting where this is expected and appropriate. If I ask a co-worker out, that's opening yourself up to a harassment charge right on its face. What if she just wants to continue doing her job as normal and paying bills, and now I've made it weird? What if she's cute and 10 other guys have done this? And that is just the beginning of the various problems this behavior can cause. There is a reason why we are told not to do this stuff.
I’m all for allowing office romance, but there’s a reason businesses have those policies: because often they are left holding the bag when things go south.
I don't see that is the issue as most people are adults and can continue to act like adults when a relationship fails.
The worry of companies for doing this is harassments lawsuits. Those can be very damaging to many businesses- especially smaller ones.
If I were a company, I'd give the obvious warning of 'no harassments' and 'no acting like a child if it doesn't work out'. Basically; be a professional at work and don't be a creep. Then deal with each issue as it comes because most people are sane adults.
@@shmookins I disagree, most people aren't sane. Most people are petty and when things go wrong with emotion involved, it is worse. Even prior, it creates a lot of drama. I do support equal level relationships esp. at low levels but not when there is a power differential.
@@shmookins I would actually argue slightly differently. Most people are sane adults...until heightened emotions get in the mix. Two people who have got together and had a falling out, still being able to work together and fulfill their duties, is the exception, not the norm.
Often they no longer work well together. One or both may even request of management NOT to work together, thereby placing artificial limits on their usefulness. As you mentioned, it also opens the door to legal hassles, particularly if one party is hounding the other. Sometimes one or both leave the company voluntarily, or act in such a manner that the business has no choice but to let them go.
I've seen three office romances at my place of business, which coincidentally does NOT have a no-romance policy, and all three ended poorly. One resulted in an employee voluntarily leaving the company to get away from the other employee, not that that employee was really chasing him at that point. One resulted in a write-up and a de facto requirement to keep them working in separate departments. And the final one resulted in a very unprofessional incident where we ended up firing the offending party. These incidents are from a period of 15 years, but at a small business that's still a lot of BS.
As someone who works directly on workplace matters I can tell you this isn't true. Even the most professional and logical human being can turn completely irrational and petty when attraction, interest, sex and love are involved. I've seen it at the lowest levels and at the highest levels.
and let's not forget the possibility of lawsuits