Note: I accidentally said that the Snowdon Mountain Railway was in Switzerland when it’s actually in Wales. It was mainly cause the basis of the engines are from Switzerland and I got that mixed up with where there actually from, sorry for the confusion 😅
@@the_north_westenerBy the way, in “Toby, trucks and trouble” (I think it was that book at least) it shows Toby’s tunnel on the opposite side of his body as his face is one the other side.. ..so I guess the engines which have two faces can make their faces just.. appear.. Right..
It was the Reverend himself that saw diesels as two faced. Which makes me think Chris was using James as a stand in for his father, trying to teach him diesels aren't bad and that he liked diesels himself
My theory for the rws specifically is that two faced engines have a some sort of muscle that allows them to close their eyes tightly and then they can open their eyes on the other side. I know its a bit stupid but I kinda like this theory because it stops theories about the fact if an engine looking in one direction and 180 degress in the other.
chris also stated in the story out of puff that the engines faces open like smoke box doors although it’s the only mention of at and they never illustrate it.
I think Toby's case can be explain as toby's face can switch his face to appear on front (near the funnel) or backside (Like "Toby's MegaTrain") by his consciousness and awareness or his crew's control.
I think on the diesels and Culdee engines have their eyes facing the direction their reverser is facing (forward / reverse). In my headcanon the non Sodor diesels (CoBo, Derby & Matlock) I just use their lights as their eyes rather than full Thomas styled faces. After all their real life counterparts don't have faces but their headlights look like eyes.
@@jamesthomas5109A double fairly would definitely have a face at each end no matter what gauge, I’m not too sure about a Garrett though since it could go either way
@@the_north_westener Garratt's are a really weird case, because not only do they have the two ends to contend with, but they also have that central smokebox door. I'm somewhat thankful for BWBA canonizing Garratt's via Kwaku (that Kenyan one) but it's still just really cursed to imagine.
If Toby The Tram Engine *did* have two faces (including the goof in “Toby’s Megatrain”), this just works a little bit as Toby is the “chaotic neutral” character as he really doesn’t pick sides and watches others fail for his own amusement. So “technically” Toby does have a second face but he just chose not to reveal it……unless for joking purposes only e.g. Double Header/Time For Trouble
For the Culdee Fell engines, which have two faces, only the front face does the actual talking, while the back face simply mirrors the facial expressions of the front face. For example, the back face can change expressions, blink, and scream, but its lips don't move; instead, they sync with the expressions of the front face.
I've never think I've had problems with engines having two faces at either end. My only thought on the matter is how they see the world through their eyes. Do they just keep one end closed whilst the other stays opened unless they want to switch visions, or do they just see from both ends all the time and their vision is trippy af?
For the diesels I think I have a head-canon Now we will be going out of topic so you have been warned:for example let’s take the floor from i.i.i because in the episode "out of body experience" he explains that he pops and his face disappears and he pops into the place that he wants to be, now you may be thinking "what does this have to do with thomas-" LET ME GET TO THAT! So I imagine that once the diesels like BoCo, daisy, bear etc arrive at the end of the line their face goes pop and it appears on the other side of their bodies
Honestly I still think that the culdee fell engines only need one face It should be on the back since that's why that's where they can see more Although in tenders and turntables the narrator says "tank engines like Thomas don't need some tables because they can see what's behind them" or something like that and since all the culdee fell engines are tank engines then maybe they can see through their backs anyway? I don't know I just prefer them with one face and I specially prefer them with one face on their smokebox door
I included a similar idea into my headcanon, the CFR engines have their faces positioned on their cabs since their coaches take lookout on the uphill journey, technically making them cab-forward locomotives.
Just in my opinion I think the Diesels only have one face, in the mountain engines do you have two faces but I think each face is their own personality end the back face of the mountain engines tells the front face if there's anything on the line basically it's like two people working together
Hate to be the type to go ''erm actually'', but Toby DOES have a back face in some of Chris' books. Don't know why, since it's inconsistent with his faceless back seen in Wilbert's books. Also I just noticed BoCo's face is oddly inconsistent in the RWS. Some illustrations show him with yellow on just his lower face, but others (in the same book no less) have his entire face covered in yellow.
Note: I accidentally said that the Snowdon Mountain Railway was in Switzerland when it’s actually in Wales. It was mainly cause the basis of the engines are from Switzerland and I got that mixed up with where there actually from, sorry for the confusion 😅
*Wales
@@toyotaprius79 Thanks for letting me know, it’s probably better to be more specific. (Also I just edited it to say Wales, so thanks again! 😊)
@@the_north_westenerBy the way, in “Toby, trucks and trouble” (I think it was that book at least) it shows Toby’s tunnel on the opposite side of his body as his face is one the other side..
..so I guess the engines which have two faces can make their faces just.. appear..
Right..
It was the Reverend himself that saw diesels as two faced. Which makes me think Chris was using James as a stand in for his father, trying to teach him diesels aren't bad and that he liked diesels himself
My theory for the rws specifically is that two faced engines have a some sort of muscle that allows them to close their eyes tightly and then they can open their eyes on the other side. I know its a bit stupid but I kinda like this theory because it stops theories about the fact if an engine looking in one direction and 180 degress in the other.
I think it's linked to their reverser direction!
Love the TDAC and TTTE mix of music during Mighty Mac
Where does that originate?
Toby’s class having two faces is such a cursed idea… one which snuck its way into some illustrations in Toby, Trucks, and Trouble…
chris also stated in the story out of puff that the engines faces open like smoke box doors although it’s the only mention of at and they never illustrate it.
For me, two faces only works best on Farley and Garratt Engines, and my explanation for them is they're conjoined twins.
This is what you get when you combine CatDog with a train. It just doesn’t get any better than this.
Very good video! I’ve never seen your channel before but this was quite the first impression!
Thank you so much! I’m glad that you enjoyed the video and that I could make a good first impression! 😊
Mighty Mac is more so the engine embodiment of conjoined twins than two faced. But nonetheless good video
Mighty Mac is basically the CatDog of the Thomas & Friends universe
My theory for toby and diesels faces is that they chose which side there face is on or they move there face to the side the driver is driving on
Thumbs up if you ended up getting very dizzy seeing Mighty Mac moving back and forth and spinning around on the turntable.
Btw Toby is actually shown to have two faces in Toby's megatrain!
It's just so cursed aaa
@@VicStudios2003 after you said this, I actually went back to look and you’re right! It looks very cursed 😭 Thank you for letting me know!
It's just a goof
The illustration in question is consistent with the one before and after it, I seriously doubt it was a goof lmao
@@leahbathroad _Not once_ has Toby had a face on his back end before _or_ after Toby's Megatrain. It _has_ to be a goof!
I think Toby's case can be explain as toby's face can switch his face to appear on front (near the funnel) or backside (Like "Toby's MegaTrain") by his consciousness and awareness or his crew's control.
Snowdon is in Wales. The engines were built in Switzerland.
Honestly two faces is so odd but cool at the same time
I think on the diesels and Culdee engines have their eyes facing the direction their reverser is facing (forward / reverse). In my headcanon the non Sodor diesels (CoBo, Derby & Matlock) I just use their lights as their eyes rather than full Thomas styled faces. After all their real life counterparts don't have faces but their headlights look like eyes.
2:38 FYI the Snowdon Mountain Railway is in Wales not Switzerland lol
Whoops, that’s my mistake. I think I got the designs of the engines confused with they’re location. Thank you for letting me know! 😊
So a standard gauge Double Fairlie or Garratt engine would also have two faces?
@@jamesthomas5109A double fairly would definitely have a face at each end no matter what gauge, I’m not too sure about a Garrett though since it could go either way
@@the_north_westener Garratt's are a really weird case, because not only do they have the two ends to contend with, but they also have that central smokebox door. I'm somewhat thankful for BWBA canonizing Garratt's via Kwaku (that Kenyan one) but it's still just really cursed to imagine.
@2:38
didnt know they moved the entire Snowdon Railway from the UK to the Swiss Alps
Toby has a face at both ends in Toby's mega train
If Toby The Tram Engine *did* have two faces (including the goof in “Toby’s Megatrain”), this just works a little bit as Toby is the “chaotic neutral” character as he really doesn’t pick sides and watches others fail for his own amusement.
So “technically” Toby does have a second face but he just chose not to reveal it……unless for joking purposes only e.g. Double Header/Time For Trouble
For the Culdee Fell engines, which have two faces, only the front face does the actual talking, while the back face simply mirrors the facial expressions of the front face. For example, the back face can change expressions, blink, and scream, but its lips don't move; instead, they sync with the expressions of the front face.
2:35 - Snowdon is in Wales, not Switzerland
My bad, I accidentally got it mixed up with where the engines basis are from and the actual location of the Snowdon
I've never think I've had problems with engines having two faces at either end. My only thought on the matter is how they see the world through their eyes. Do they just keep one end closed whilst the other stays opened unless they want to switch visions, or do they just see from both ends all the time and their vision is trippy af?
On the subject of Tram engines, would Flora have two faces?
@@jamesthomas5109 probably not since it doesn’t seem that tram engines have faces at each end like some of the diesels do
Since Daisy has 2 cabs is her fitter whether he is real or not also Daisy's driver at the back of her or the guard?
There's an illustration of Toby.. I think in Toby trucks and trouble but not sure.. that shows him with a face on the rear cab
For the diesels I think I have a head-canon
Now we will be going out of topic so you have been warned:for example let’s take the floor from i.i.i because in the episode "out of body experience" he explains that he pops and his face disappears and he pops into the place that he wants to be, now you may be thinking "what does this have to do with thomas-" LET ME GET TO THAT! So I imagine that once the diesels like BoCo, daisy, bear etc arrive at the end of the line their face goes pop and it appears on the other side of their bodies
What theme did you use for mighty Mac’s part of the video
The Amazing Digital Circus theme but in a Thomas soundfont
Plus Mighty Mac have two boilers
And smokeboxes
Honestly
I still think that the culdee fell engines only need one face
It should be on the back since that's why that's where they can see more
Although in tenders and turntables the narrator says "tank engines like Thomas don't need some tables because they can see what's behind them" or something like that and since all the culdee fell engines are tank engines then maybe they can see through their backs anyway?
I don't know I just prefer them with one face and I specially prefer them with one face on their smokebox door
And mighty Mac should be a condition (of some source)
Just like Annie clarabel the slip coaches and Harold as well as Caroline
actually Tank Engines don't need turntables because they can go just as fast backwards as they can go forward (most of the time-)
@@TheSudrianTerrier653 yeah exactly
I included a similar idea into my headcanon, the CFR engines have their faces positioned on their cabs since their coaches take lookout on the uphill journey, technically making them cab-forward locomotives.
Just in my opinion I think the Diesels only have one face, in the mountain engines do you have two faces but I think each face is their own personality end the back face of the mountain engines tells the front face if there's anything on the line basically it's like two people working together
I saw it Chugginton too, I saw two faced female trains here.
the Snowdon Mountain Railway is in Wales not Switzerland...
Also the culdee fell railway engines i think
5:06 tadc 🤨
Hate to be the type to go ''erm actually'', but Toby DOES have a back face in some of Chris' books. Don't know why, since it's inconsistent with his faceless back seen in Wilbert's books.
Also I just noticed BoCo's face is oddly inconsistent in the RWS. Some illustrations show him with yellow on just his lower face, but others (in the same book no less) have his entire face covered in yellow.
How would Mighty Mac’s basis run with coal
Where’s Harvey Dent when you need him?
Would Sigrid of Arlesdale have two faces? Just a thought. 😊
@@jamesthomas5109 Possibly, I mean she’s similar in design to how a Boco and Daisy are, just smaller
I saw it Chugginton too, I saw two faced female trains here.