"If you can dodge bullets, I'll just have to make sure there's enough bullets so that you have nowhere to go." Also that's how some missile defense systems work, with ammo that fans out.
To quote Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch: “Terminal ballistics! Pistols put holes *in* people. Rifles put holes *through* people. Shotguns, at the right range, with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent.”
"This is my boom-stick. There are many like it, but this one is mine!" "Can I borrow it?" "No. This is mine. That box over there...? Loads there. Help yourself."
Cybernetics. The bugs are probably protected against stuff like that. Also, there's too much blowback potential; where the wind shifts and blows the toxic cloud in an undesirable direction.
@@Slavicplayer251 Yes I know. I was pointing out why it would be pretty dumb to use chemical weapons in this war. If they didn't have the cybernetic breathing enhancements, among others, then, yes, absolutely use bugspray. Considering their apparent outlook and attitude, the collateral could be worth it. But with the cybernetic enhancements, it would be very unlikely to be effective. So they're off the table unless/until we know exactly how their breathing enhancements work. Then we can work around them.
"When you're busy lasering the Chlernks, but some 19-year-old Devil Dog without power armor jumps into your APC, slams five shells into your close bug-comrades and you realise you're about to get violently vibe-checked by a warcrime stick"
Now imagine if they just gave the marines AA-12s and Benelli M4s with an almost unlimited supply of ammo instead of trench sweepers. Though I think shotguns would become a galaxy wide war crime at that point.
Reliability issues, namely jamming, keeps the AA-12 out of mass deployments like this. Now if it was a Strike Unit instead they more then likely would have gotten AAs or SPAZs for their shottys.
Now remember, slam firing is fun, but you still have friendlies on the other side of the barrel, unless you are facing away from the trench, then you’re good to go
I was curious at first... Enemies can deflect bullets and only a random spray could catch one off guard... I thought machine guns at first... Then the humans landed and almost immidietely dug a trench... Okay, heavy machine gun spray... Then i remembered the title... "Trench + warcrime stick"... Shit... They're using trench guns!?
As much as i love the Win M'97, it bugs me that humanity wouldn't use a more modern one, especially the random combo of full auto and shotgun like the AA-12
The Win M97 is more like an AK in tactical/logical views for deployment. Cheap, reliable, and powerful. why arm only 100 soldiers with AA-12s when for the same price you can arm 300, as pointed out the AA-12 is prone to jamming in such engagements, so instead of having 250 soldiers fighting because they don't need to reload or clear a jam, instead of 80.
@@reven199 No, actually, they were not. The myth of slam firing trench shotguns is just that, a myth. It was literally invented by a single American Journalist. The problem? The problem was actually the ammunition. Shotgun shells in WWI were not the same as modern shotgun shells, they were made of a thick waxed paper. The troops issued with the shotguns were also not issued bandoliers, so had to carry that sensitive ammunition loose in pockets or pouches. This led to a high incidence of damaged rounds, leading to very high feed failures and misfires. To make matters worse, have you ever BEEN to North West Europe where the Americans fought in WWI? I have, I live there, UK to be exact. It rains here, a lot. Humidity is generally fairly high even on cool days. Know what rain or humidity does to those old shotgun shells if they are improperly stored? It causes, at best, casing swell, at worse it soaks the shell, causing, you guessed it, misfeeds and misfires. Most American soldiers issued with shotguns 'lost' them as soon as they were unsupervised for more than a few seconds and replaced them with Springfield 1903's or Enfield 1917's so they at least had a weapon that would reliable fire after the first round. So sorry to burst your bubble. If shotguns were so effective in combat they would still be used in combat. They are not. They have niche uses, in forcing entry situations for example, or in the hands of prison guards (a shotgun is VERY intimidating to an unarmoured individual). In actual combat however, it is of limited use in virtually any terrain you can think of with the possible exception of thick jungle, where it might have some use. Because at the end of the day, here is a little consideration, do you honestly think nations who had fought WWI from 1914 had NOT tried shotguns? Oh they had, and discarded them after initial trials because of the points I highlighted. There is evidence for example of several platoon level experiments in the British Army in 1916 with semi automatic shotguns, and they proved so disappointing they were never issued to actual combat troops. Yes, they performed so poorly in tests at home the British never even considered issuing them to fighting troops..... The idea that the Americans had 'stumbled' across a weapon that no one else in the world had considered when it came to Trench warfare is laughable and frankly wrong. The ONLY use the British found for shotguns in the trenches was fowling pieces for taking down messenger pigeons, and even then they considered it a waste of time arming a single man with an otherwise useless weapon when the SMLE would do the job just fine..... EDIT: The king of trench clearing in WWI was not the shotgun, it was the hand grenade. Its why HALF of a British Infantry platoon in WWI were designated Grenadiers, and ALL of the others carried spare grenades for the Grenadiers.... The French and Germans were more or less the same.....
Breaking out the video game shotguns I see, since with an actual shotgun the effect they wanted only occurs a fair distance out unless those ballistic shields are the size of a quarter, especially using buckshot rather than something with wider spread but lighter pellets like birdshot
I think it's because the pellets in buck are too high energy for a wide dispersed shield and too spread out for a concentrated shield and sword to block all of them.
Yeah. Insectoids with a hard carapace and a bunch of combat cybernetics aren't going to 'explode into bits' from a regular shotgun. They are effective against us because we are soft fleshbags and it doesn't take much to penetrate and do significant internal damage; but against anything tougher I would say they have next to no penetration and nowhere near the power to explode anything into pieces.
Click, click, boom! I'm coming down on the stereo, hear me on the radio Click, click, boom! I'm coming down with the new style and you know it's buck wild Click, click, boom! I'm on the radio station, touring 'round the nation Leaving the scene in devastation
@@nathanielhill8156 *1)* That's Incorrect - the "click click" refers to pulling the forearm rearward and then forward to chamber a shell. It doesn't matter if you're slam firing or not: you're still going to click click boom - you're just going to click click boom without having to release the trigger between booms. *2)* I was quoting a song.
@@ObservingLibertarian2) I know about the song, I was being a smartass. 1) the second click and the boom happen at the same time. Because the boom is louder, it covers the click.
Helljumper, Helljumper, where you been? Feet first into hell and back again! When I die please bury me deep! Place an MA5 down by my feet! Don't cry for me, don't shed no tear! Just pack my box with PT gear! Cuz one early morning 'bout zero-five! The ground will rumble, there'll be lightning in the sky! Don't you worry, don't come undone It's just my ghost on a PT run
"Hey check out this boom stick,It goes boom."-Humanity "Hey, Dont fuck with our boats."-Slighty pissed Humanity "Hey man,You fucked up."-Midldy pissed Humanity "Alright your done,check out this flying battle ship that has sevral boom sticks,:-Largly pissed of humanity "Hey check this shit out *[throws a nuclear core at the alien core]* -Humanity(Vengance) "Yeahhhh, so this boom stick is slighly diffrent,it complety splits your atoms into peices."-Humanity(HaHa take that stage)
Years ago, DC and Archie Comics tried restarting the Archie Comics heroes. One, Bob Phantom, was made up as a rather nebbishy fellow-- who takes down a major supervillain because the latter's force field repels bullets, lasers--but not paintballs.
People need to do research on military weapons they missed out on lining the trench with mark 19s alternating between high explosive and fleshet rounds, there's also claymores and a beautiful box called bullet storm.
I mean at this point a half cylinder packed with 1/2" steel ball bearings and a cylinder of C4 inside would shred the living hell outbof anything within 100 yards. Especially a line of them overlapping. Cheap too.the enemy would just become a cloud of mist the color of their blood in am instant. And the kinetic energy of a steel bearing would do some decent damage to the APCs.
Like The Fat Electrician says: it's never a war crime the first time! Also, they did almost ban shotguns in WW1 because of how lethal they were in trench warfare, so author isn't making that up.
Automatic shotguns can make quite a royal mess outta target, I wonder how much of a shock it would be for poor aliens when Humanity remembers some more "funni" things like KS-23 shotgun, which is same caliber as Soviet Autocannons, and can be loaded in both analogue of 00 Buck, or a singular Slug or Dart round -- imagine That, but used by some more physically strong Aliens being fired using higher cap mag-fed reimagination of this weapon in direction of incoming waves, or just re-factor some Turret mounted weapons to create a belt-fed Shotgun
The 50 cal Browning Machine Gun already fires a round similar in size to the 12 gauge shotgun. With a minor modification to the chamber, a larger smooth bore barrel, and non necked down 50 cal BMG brass you would have a ready made shotgun machine gun. You basically keep the majority of the Browning, machine the chamber for a 4 gauge all brass shell, and mount a 4 gauge smooth bore barrel. Your typical 12 gauge shot shell has 8-12 00 pellets, a 4 gauge would have between 32-48 00 pellets. This is a literal wall of lead and that's just one shell. Assuming a stable fire rate of 450 rpm that's 14400 to 21600 00 pellets being sprayed in the enemy's direction. From one gun. At that volume of lead, spread does not matter and effective range could be 100+ yards. 3 or 4 tripod mounted positions with decent ammo supply and those Bugs basically walk into a blender.
@@thomasschulz2167 wow! Im mostly enthusiast with some level of "redneck engineering" ideas of how to click together some theoretically mechanically sound ideas, wasnt expecting someone good enough with "how its made" department to actually join in and provide a real conversion concept here))))))) PS at this rate, and with amount of Weaponry the Human industry can get to generate on short notice -- it'd be not even a blender, but a Classified Docs level paper shredderXD
I will one up that. Do you know what shotgun field artillery is? You take an anti aircraft turret and aim it at ground targets. The bullets can be set at any distance, and you can set them to burst early so it spreads even farther.
11:49 No they didn't ! Sigh! Of course they did! Crazy apes! It has a twisted logic i'll admit, But the Old version? Dude there are marvels of technology in that area. Advanced designs, specifically made for combat. No reason to play around with hunting gear. Its a matter of style dude! Dude, we have combat shotguns that make that thing look primitive. As for the "war crime" thing, the Germans were bitching ,because American troops were using shotguns to clear captured trenches. Shotgun against shovel or bayonet, shotgun wins every time!
In spite of all those improvements, we still see the AK-47 as the most common used rifle amongst military forces. Cheap, Reliable, and powerful enough to get the job done.
No, actually the Americans were NOT using them like that. They tried, but the shotguns kept failing. Not because of the shotgun itself, but the ammunition. 1917 - 1918 shotgun ammo is NOT like modern shotgun shells, they were made of waxed cardboard. These things were carried loose in pockets or pouches, which meant an extremely high likelihood of them being damaged through normal combat activities (like diving for cover), or through getting damp. You ever been to North Western Europe? It rains here, a lot. Humidity is generally high. End result? A misfire of feed failure rate for those shotguns that was frankly dangerous to the USER, not the enemy, the user. American troops quickly learned to 'lose' their shotgun and 'borrow' a rifle that would actually fire more than one round before misfiring or jamming. The King of Trench Clearance in WWI was not the shotgun, it was the hand grenade. There is a REASON a third of a British, French or German Infantry Platoon by 1918 were Grenadiers, and everyone in the platoon carried a bag of grenades, either to throw themselves, or to replenish the Grenadiers. These were armies that had fought in those trenches for FOUR years. You HONESTLY think they did not consider shotguns? They did, the British Musketry School experimented with them in 1915 and 1916, and found them so unsatisfactory they were never issued to front line troops even on a trial basis.
@alganhar1 it's all about saturation. notice that waited to fire until at very close range ensuring the reaction time of the enemy was negated. They didn't want the spread, they wanted a compact cone of shot to punch a large hole instead of a smaller hole. Even the minimal spread is going to shred outward and turn the wound into shredded beef. Ot will also punch through an exoskeleton pretty easy as it had only been treated for laser interaction and they carried ballistic shields, which aren't used up close as they hamper the use of their swords. So the human tactic here is ideal to inflicting massive unavoidable damage quickly.
00Buck ain't known for it's ability against any sort of hard armour (or soft armour for that matter). I know it's a HFY story but still, if the bugs were that squishy, they shouldn't have been such a problem.
Ngl, kinda wish they hag Gen 12 Shotguns instead of good ol' Trench Sweepers. More reliable full auto shotties compared to AA-12s, and they're capable of rivalling minigun levels of Rounds Per Minute considering how many pellets they can put downfield. Add a capable range of 100 Meters if you just don't care and you've got a damn good shottie for war. Although, nothing says "fuck you" quite like the Winchester 1897 slamfiring buckshot into your torso to rip you in half.
when you're not so much a marine as a marketing demonstration. soon as it clarified which war crime, oh bug hunt with buck? yeah thats a rip for the xeno. that planet isn't going anywhere, what happens when some clever dick explains a blunderbuss to the locals.
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Against soft fleshbags like humans, buckshot is lethal. Against insectoids with a tough exoskeleton and combat cybernetics I would be surprised if they would even notice it.
M134s and the bigger auto-cannons like gau-19, m61, gau-12 and gau-8 can saturate an area with fire rates varying from around 1000 rounds per minute to 6000 rounds per minute. The boomsticks are cool but it sounding like the air in front of you is being unzipped to unleash hell would be cool too.
"When one bullet doesn't work, use two. If two don't work, use three. If three doesn't work, use a shotgun."
-Me
"When one bullet doesn't work, use two. If two don't work, you're probably not using a big enough bullet."
@@lurker8593 Nonsense. k=0.5mv^2. Don't get a bigger bullet, THROW IT FASTER! :D
@@Preaplanes Indeed maybe even motivate the gun a little so it can have EVEN MORE KILLING POWER!
And what if 3 Shotgun shells doesn't work
@@mr.r.r.o.b Well there's always the .50
Shotgun: "PARRY THIS YOU FUCKING CASUAL!"
"If you can dodge bullets, I'll just have to make sure there's enough bullets so that you have nowhere to go."
Also that's how some missile defense systems work, with ammo that fans out.
Good old CWISS system, a wall of lead is terrifyingly accurate
Mantis system really took this to heart
The American philosophy: Accuracy by Volume.
Also, funnily enough, that's how ICBMs work. They aren't one big bomb, just a few dumbies as flack and a whole bunch mini nukes.
To quote Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch:
“Terminal ballistics! Pistols put holes *in* people. Rifles put holes *through* people.
Shotguns, at the right range, with the right load will physically remove a chunk of shit off of your opponent.”
Shotguns make you more hole than human.
THIS IS MY BOOM STICK!
Shop smart, shop S-Mart!
Groovy...
I prefer my BOOM STICK to be Semi auto like the auto 5 not Double barrel break action
Bet they loaded Buckshot
Klatu Veratta Nec(coughing)...
"This is my boom-stick. There are many like it, but this one is mine!"
"Can I borrow it?"
"No. This is mine. That box over there...? Loads there. Help yourself."
If we're going WW1 tech... why not bring out the bug spray and be done with it?
good ol’ phosgene
Cybernetics. The bugs are probably protected against stuff like that. Also, there's too much blowback potential; where the wind shifts and blows the toxic cloud in an undesirable direction.
@@taitano12 yes... it smells like crysanthemes
@@taitano12 gas masks
@@Slavicplayer251 Yes I know. I was pointing out why it would be pretty dumb to use chemical weapons in this war. If they didn't have the cybernetic breathing enhancements, among others, then, yes, absolutely use bugspray. Considering their apparent outlook and attitude, the collateral could be worth it. But with the cybernetic enhancements, it would be very unlikely to be effective. So they're off the table unless/until we know exactly how their breathing enhancements work. Then we can work around them.
"When you're busy lasering the Chlernks, but some 19-year-old Devil Dog without power armor jumps into your APC, slams five shells into your close bug-comrades and you realise you're about to get violently vibe-checked by a warcrime stick"
This comment? It's beautiful. Like you channeled the spirit of the Fat Electrician, himself.
@@VarangianGuard13 I heard his voice.
Surely they are a being of culture.
I came at the speed of a Canadian the second I noticed something about war crimes!
I love how many history nerds watch this. Can-it's not a war crime the first time-ada
Amer-it's not a warcrime if you win the war-ica
Basically it’s not a war crime if you got nukes
Who needs accuracy when you have rate of fire? Or a shot gun.
I was actually thinking of multiple GAU21s auto turrets (split at 5m intervals) and grunts with drum fed semi auto shotguns.
Why not both?
-Pancor Industries, New Mexico
Or high fire rate shotgun.
Accuracy by Volume
why not both?
"And if that ain't enough, we can always feed a gatling gun with those rounds"
Now imagine if they just gave the marines AA-12s and Benelli M4s with an almost unlimited supply of ammo instead of trench sweepers.
Though I think shotguns would become a galaxy wide war crime at that point.
Reliability issues, namely jamming, keeps the AA-12 out of mass deployments like this. Now if it was a Strike Unit instead they more then likely would have gotten AAs or SPAZs for their shottys.
Just remember the wise old saying, "It's not a war crime the first time."
@@animeyhem9780 yes the words of a very wise electrician
Not the first time Germany tried to have them banned as a warcrime before during ww1
Edit forgot the time
Now remember, slam firing is fun, but you still have friendlies on the other side of the barrel, unless you are facing away from the trench, then you’re good to go
Ah yes, the 1897 warcrime stick. Since it has no disconnector, it fires as fast as you can pump it.
What makes the grass grow?!?!
BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD!!!!
Who makes the blood flow!?!?!
WE DO WE DO WE DO!!!
“We brought another 3 million down with us”
I started singing “it’s raining shotguns”, a parody of “it’s raining tacos”
Simple question of 'Why' is not needed
'Loads shotgun with malicious intent'
Someone had to say it.
I was curious at first...
Enemies can deflect bullets and only a random spray could catch one off guard... I thought machine guns at first...
Then the humans landed and almost immidietely dug a trench... Okay, heavy machine gun spray... Then i remembered the title... "Trench + warcrime stick"... Shit... They're using trench guns!?
The good old M97, a true work of art
Why fix that worked before?
The Ghost in the Trenches, a spirit from the past smirks warmly.
As much as i love the Win M'97, it bugs me that humanity wouldn't use a more modern one, especially the random combo of full auto and shotgun like the AA-12
The aa-12 is shit it jams too much to be used
The Win M97 is more like an AK in tactical/logical views for deployment. Cheap, reliable, and powerful. why arm only 100 soldiers with AA-12s when for the same price you can arm 300, as pointed out the AA-12 is prone to jamming in such engagements, so instead of having 250 soldiers fighting because they don't need to reload or clear a jam, instead of 80.
All this and ww1 slam fire trench guns are badass
@@reven199 No, actually, they were not. The myth of slam firing trench shotguns is just that, a myth. It was literally invented by a single American Journalist.
The problem? The problem was actually the ammunition. Shotgun shells in WWI were not the same as modern shotgun shells, they were made of a thick waxed paper. The troops issued with the shotguns were also not issued bandoliers, so had to carry that sensitive ammunition loose in pockets or pouches. This led to a high incidence of damaged rounds, leading to very high feed failures and misfires.
To make matters worse, have you ever BEEN to North West Europe where the Americans fought in WWI? I have, I live there, UK to be exact. It rains here, a lot. Humidity is generally fairly high even on cool days. Know what rain or humidity does to those old shotgun shells if they are improperly stored? It causes, at best, casing swell, at worse it soaks the shell, causing, you guessed it, misfeeds and misfires.
Most American soldiers issued with shotguns 'lost' them as soon as they were unsupervised for more than a few seconds and replaced them with Springfield 1903's or Enfield 1917's so they at least had a weapon that would reliable fire after the first round.
So sorry to burst your bubble. If shotguns were so effective in combat they would still be used in combat. They are not. They have niche uses, in forcing entry situations for example, or in the hands of prison guards (a shotgun is VERY intimidating to an unarmoured individual). In actual combat however, it is of limited use in virtually any terrain you can think of with the possible exception of thick jungle, where it might have some use.
Because at the end of the day, here is a little consideration, do you honestly think nations who had fought WWI from 1914 had NOT tried shotguns? Oh they had, and discarded them after initial trials because of the points I highlighted. There is evidence for example of several platoon level experiments in the British Army in 1916 with semi automatic shotguns, and they proved so disappointing they were never issued to actual combat troops. Yes, they performed so poorly in tests at home the British never even considered issuing them to fighting troops.....
The idea that the Americans had 'stumbled' across a weapon that no one else in the world had considered when it came to Trench warfare is laughable and frankly wrong. The ONLY use the British found for shotguns in the trenches was fowling pieces for taking down messenger pigeons, and even then they considered it a waste of time arming a single man with an otherwise useless weapon when the SMLE would do the job just fine.....
EDIT: The king of trench clearing in WWI was not the shotgun, it was the hand grenade. Its why HALF of a British Infantry platoon in WWI were designated Grenadiers, and ALL of the others carried spare grenades for the Grenadiers.... The French and Germans were more or less the same.....
@@alganhar1don't care where you get your information.
I've slam fired a trench gun.
They trained all us cage kickers on the weapon system.
This! Is! My! Boomstick!
This! Is! YOUR! Boomstick!
Nothing says 'I need to do my dailies' like a Bryson in Shipment.
"C...can I have one?"
That made me cackle in public
"Drop pods?"
"CODEX ASTARTES NAMES THIS MANEUVER STEEL RAIN"
ALIEN BEANS!
Breaking out the video game shotguns I see, since with an actual shotgun the effect they wanted only occurs a fair distance out unless those ballistic shields are the size of a quarter, especially using buckshot rather than something with wider spread but lighter pellets like birdshot
I think it's because the pellets in buck are too high energy for a wide dispersed shield and too spread out for a concentrated shield and sword to block all of them.
Never heard of an inverse choke?
@@donanthebarbarian5177 Nice joke
Birdshot is designed to reduce spread a distance.
Yeah. Insectoids with a hard carapace and a bunch of combat cybernetics aren't going to 'explode into bits' from a regular shotgun. They are effective against us because we are soft fleshbags and it doesn't take much to penetrate and do significant internal damage; but against anything tougher I would say they have next to no penetration and nowhere near the power to explode anything into pieces.
There is only one dominant life form in this universe, and it carries a steel-barreled sword of vengeance.
Click, click, boom!
I'm coming down on the stereo, hear me on the radio
Click, click, boom!
I'm coming down with the new style and you know it's buck wild
Click, click, boom!
I'm on the radio station, touring 'round the nation
Leaving the scene in devastation
Correction,
Click, boom!
These are trench guns. You can slam-fire trench guns.
@@nathanielhill8156 *1)* That's Incorrect - the "click click" refers to pulling the forearm rearward and then forward to chamber a shell. It doesn't matter if you're slam firing or not: you're still going to click click boom - you're just going to click click boom without having to release the trigger between booms. *2)* I was quoting a song.
@@ObservingLibertarian2) I know about the song, I was being a smartass.
1) the second click and the boom happen at the same time. Because the boom is louder, it covers the click.
Some historical gun enthusiast: Lemme tell you bout this thing called a punt gun.
When the entire flock of ducks has to die aceapt no substitute
Helljumper, Helljumper, where you been?
Feet first into hell and back again!
When I die please bury me deep!
Place an MA5 down by my feet!
Don't cry for me, don't shed no tear!
Just pack my box with PT gear!
Cuz one early morning 'bout zero-five!
The ground will rumble, there'll be lightning in the sky!
Don't you worry, don't come undone
It's just my ghost on a PT run
"Hey check out this boom stick,It goes boom."-Humanity
"Hey, Dont fuck with our boats."-Slighty pissed Humanity
"Hey man,You fucked up."-Midldy pissed Humanity
"Alright your done,check out this flying battle ship that has sevral boom sticks,:-Largly pissed of humanity
"Hey check this shit out *[throws a nuclear core at the alien core]* -Humanity(Vengance)
"Yeahhhh, so this boom stick is slighly diffrent,it complety splits your atoms into peices."-Humanity(HaHa take that stage)
I saw the title of this story and burst out into laughter immediately
I enjoy all of NetNarrator videos
Part 2 has REALLY BIG FLAMETHROWERS.
This conflicts version of a sniper is a guy in a tree with a 4 gauge
Nah it would be a team with a punt gun. They were banned a long time ago because they could kill entire flocks of birds with one trigger pull!
and man's second best friend, the Claymore
"Oh, you can deflect bullets ? Have fun with this buckshoot" xD
Years ago, DC and Archie Comics tried restarting the Archie Comics heroes. One, Bob Phantom, was made up as a rather nebbishy fellow-- who takes down a major supervillain because the latter's force field repels bullets, lasers--but not paintballs.
"Can I have one?" Man after my own heart.
People need to do research on military weapons they missed out on lining the trench with mark 19s alternating between high explosive and fleshet rounds, there's also claymores and a beautiful box called bullet storm.
I mean at this point a half cylinder packed with 1/2" steel ball bearings and a cylinder of C4 inside would shred the living hell outbof anything within 100 yards. Especially a line of them overlapping. Cheap too.the enemy would just become a cloud of mist the color of their blood in am instant. And the kinetic energy of a steel bearing would do some decent damage to the APCs.
Space Americans and Space Canadians, oh, you mean the Geneva Suggestion?
Like The Fat Electrician says: it's never a war crime the first time! Also, they did almost ban shotguns in WW1 because of how lethal they were in trench warfare, so author isn't making that up.
"Yes, but what if we fire all the bullets at the same time?"
ah yes, the ol' instant vivisection device
12:59 Has he never heard of the term "well over" before?
Can’t dodge the bullets if there are more bullets than empty space
Automatic shotguns can make quite a royal mess outta target, I wonder how much of a shock it would be for poor aliens when Humanity remembers some more "funni" things like KS-23 shotgun, which is same caliber as Soviet Autocannons, and can be loaded in both analogue of 00 Buck, or a singular Slug or Dart round -- imagine That, but used by some more physically strong Aliens being fired using higher cap mag-fed reimagination of this weapon in direction of incoming waves, or just re-factor some Turret mounted weapons to create a belt-fed Shotgun
The 50 cal Browning Machine Gun already fires a round similar in size to the 12 gauge shotgun. With a minor modification to the chamber, a larger smooth bore barrel, and non necked down 50 cal BMG brass you would have a ready made shotgun machine gun. You basically keep the majority of the Browning, machine the chamber for a 4 gauge all brass shell, and mount a 4 gauge smooth bore barrel. Your typical 12 gauge shot shell has 8-12 00 pellets, a 4 gauge would have between 32-48 00 pellets. This is a literal wall of lead and that's just one shell. Assuming a stable fire rate of 450 rpm that's 14400 to 21600 00 pellets being sprayed in the enemy's direction. From one gun. At that volume of lead, spread does not matter and effective range could be 100+ yards. 3 or 4 tripod mounted positions with decent ammo supply and those Bugs basically walk into a blender.
@@thomasschulz2167 wow! Im mostly enthusiast with some level of "redneck engineering" ideas of how to click together some theoretically mechanically sound ideas, wasnt expecting someone good enough with "how its made" department to actually join in and provide a real conversion concept here)))))))
PS at this rate, and with amount of Weaponry the Human industry can get to generate on short notice -- it'd be not even a blender, but a Classified Docs level paper shredderXD
Fun fact: the barrels of the KS are made out of sections of 23mm cannon barrels that didn't pass quality control.
@@robertschumacher2707 Lol!
I will one up that. Do you know what shotgun field artillery is? You take an anti aircraft turret and aim it at ground targets. The bullets can be set at any distance, and you can set them to burst early so it spreads even farther.
Parry this you filthy casuals!
"What makes the grass grow?"
"Blood! Kill kill kill!!"
"Oh. Ok."
Legit made me crack up. Thanks for that.
G'th'nk'Itch'i maybe the best warriors in the galaxy, but Humans are the Masters of War
you see a HUMAN wrote the art of war!
The answer is a gun
And if that don't work
Use more gun
-Engineer TF2
0:24 "We need a name that sounds Alien, but make it ALIEN."
Quantity has a Quality all it's own. And a shotgun is high quality in that regard
to quote a famous song "Put the money in the bag. I'm not gonna f*cking kill you. 💥Pow💥 Thank you!"
Thats America + Canada in a nutshell.😂😂
11:49 No they didn't ! Sigh! Of course they did! Crazy apes! It has a twisted logic i'll admit, But the Old version? Dude there are marvels of technology in that area. Advanced designs, specifically made for combat. No reason to play around with hunting gear. Its a matter of style dude!
Dude, we have combat shotguns that make that thing look primitive. As for the "war crime" thing, the Germans were bitching ,because American troops were using shotguns to clear captured trenches. Shotgun against shovel or bayonet, shotgun wins every time!
In spite of all those improvements, we still see the AK-47 as the most common used rifle amongst military forces. Cheap, Reliable, and powerful enough to get the job done.
No, actually the Americans were NOT using them like that. They tried, but the shotguns kept failing. Not because of the shotgun itself, but the ammunition. 1917 - 1918 shotgun ammo is NOT like modern shotgun shells, they were made of waxed cardboard. These things were carried loose in pockets or pouches, which meant an extremely high likelihood of them being damaged through normal combat activities (like diving for cover), or through getting damp. You ever been to North Western Europe? It rains here, a lot. Humidity is generally high.
End result? A misfire of feed failure rate for those shotguns that was frankly dangerous to the USER, not the enemy, the user. American troops quickly learned to 'lose' their shotgun and 'borrow' a rifle that would actually fire more than one round before misfiring or jamming.
The King of Trench Clearance in WWI was not the shotgun, it was the hand grenade. There is a REASON a third of a British, French or German Infantry Platoon by 1918 were Grenadiers, and everyone in the platoon carried a bag of grenades, either to throw themselves, or to replenish the Grenadiers. These were armies that had fought in those trenches for FOUR years. You HONESTLY think they did not consider shotguns? They did, the British Musketry School experimented with them in 1915 and 1916, and found them so unsatisfactory they were never issued to front line troops even on a trial basis.
It's only a war crime when you are on the losing side.
Good call bringing history to a sci-fi setting.
If you can dodge a bullet, you can dodge a ball.
but not 9 pellets coming from every posible direction
Remember, boys and girls - it's not a war crime the first time. ;)
It took me till the "banned in a war" line to realise what the warcrime stick is XD
Thank you for the reading
"ITS CALLED A TRENCH GUN"
how many bullets does that shoot? yes.
I was wondering wtf the boomstick was I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THOSE BOOMSTICKS
Darn… no Phalanx CIWS or claymores made it into the future
I mean they probably do, but why reveal the full hand at once?
If You're really mad at Them bring out Ma Duce.😉😂
Yep. Only 30 yards range, with a large splatter factor.
"Wait till you see the 4 Bore"
As much as I love this story, I think the author might be overestimating how much the pellets from a shotgun blast spread out.
And how hard they hit. These things have an exoskeleton remember.....
@alganhar1 it's all about saturation. notice that waited to fire until at very close range ensuring the reaction time of the enemy was negated. They didn't want the spread, they wanted a compact cone of shot to punch a large hole instead of a smaller hole. Even the minimal spread is going to shred outward and turn the wound into shredded beef. Ot will also punch through an exoskeleton pretty easy as it had only been treated for laser interaction and they carried ballistic shields, which aren't used up close as they hamper the use of their swords. So the human tactic here is ideal to inflicting massive unavoidable damage quickly.
Nothing says, "Accuracy through volume," like this story. LOL
00Buck ain't known for it's ability against any sort of hard armour (or soft armour for that matter). I know it's a HFY story but still, if the bugs were that squishy, they shouldn't have been such a problem.
If bullet blocking is such a big concern why not provide the troops with 12G frag rounds as well for added shock value?
For larger range use airburst ammunition.
Aliens go BOOM.
If 1 blullet dosent work then ur not using enough blullets.
Use moare blullets
it's not a war crime the fist time..-Fat Electriction
Sounds like they never heard of DAKKA before
This is my boom stick!
They raided the Demolition Ranch collection then?
terminal ballistics...
Ngl, kinda wish they hag Gen 12 Shotguns instead of good ol' Trench Sweepers. More reliable full auto shotties compared to AA-12s, and they're capable of rivalling minigun levels of Rounds Per Minute considering how many pellets they can put downfield. Add a capable range of 100 Meters if you just don't care and you've got a damn good shottie for war. Although, nothing says "fuck you" quite like the Winchester 1897 slamfiring buckshot into your torso to rip you in half.
Love the streetsweeper or trench gun as it were but two other weapons would spit lead you can walk on mg42 and mini gun
It's not a war crime if it's the first time!
"Hans, get ze flammenwerfer"
Ze *Heavy* flammenwerfer!
@@jacebralor71 Hans, Forget Ze Flammenwerfer, get ze FlammPanzer
Can they even handle the recoil
Trench gun saves the day!!!
If that was a 12 gauge what the fuck would a 6 gauge do
is it odd i was thinking flamethrowers?
Mossberg 590A. Nothing beats it!
Remington 870 back to back world war champ.
The Mossberg is a great shotgun too.
@@kdrapertrucker , The 870 was a great shotgun. Maybe it will be again. Let's hope.
when you're not so much a marine as a marketing demonstration.
soon as it clarified which war crime, oh bug hunt with buck? yeah thats a rip for the xeno.
that planet isn't going anywhere, what happens when some clever dick explains a blunderbuss to the locals.
Accuracy by volume :))))
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Slam fire the best fire.
Woot
What? No Spaz rapidfire shotguns? What idiot decided to hold back on the bugs?
Truly the future is American judging by how many shotguns they have lying around.
Tbh the Shotgun is a staple of home defense and door breaching
Unrelated, you're fake news 😂
Give em some buck
Against soft fleshbags like humans, buckshot is lethal. Against insectoids with a tough exoskeleton and combat cybernetics I would be surprised if they would even notice it.
Can I have one too? Asking for a friend.
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M134s and the bigger auto-cannons like gau-19, m61, gau-12 and gau-8 can saturate an area with fire rates varying from around 1000 rounds per minute to 6000 rounds per minute. The boomsticks are cool but it sounding like the air in front of you is being unzipped to unleash hell would be cool too.