I tend to use Logic drummer without fills, cut where I want fills, go to Logic loops for fills and slot them in. If fills are not quite right I alter them in piano roll.
@@RayyMusik I've found Logic matches the project sounds not the loop sound. If you use live recorded loops with effects inbedded they can be tricky. Logic drummer uses midi as you may know so midi loops are best. I find it takes too much time fidling with logic drummer to fine tune it, so I just get it roughly right.
Where have you been in my life…I’ve been searching for a realistic and flexible drumming solution - you’ve delivered it here in spades! Your solution and your thorough explanations are nothing short of spectacular. New sub - can’t wait to dive into more of your treasures. Thanks.
I’m in the exact boat! Home solo musician who plays bass, guitar, piano and drums. I even bought and expanded an e drum kit. After 4 years I’m just not cutting it on them. Enter logic drummer! I replace the drum plugin and pipe it into Superior Drummer’s area 33. Sounds good, but lacking that human touch. Thanks for the tips!!
I’ve been doing what you do for a while now, but not beyond chopping parts smaller than a verse or chorus, and not using the step editor. I’ll have to try your techniques. Good video.
Great video. The most creative use of Logic Drummer that I've seen on TH-cam so far. This is a really deep and advanced subject involving serious understanding of drum grooves, rhythmic patterns, dynamics, etc. and editing in Logic tracks and also MIDI. I'm a long way from that level, but you've really shown me where you can take it.
Another first rate video from the lonely Rocker. This guy really knows his stuff. Please keep these great videos coming. Look forward to the next subject.
I’ve been using Logic for many years and your process for editing Drummer is almost identical to mine. I had the same issues with drum fills. Logic automatically plays fills at the end of a bar in relation to the assigned time signature, not the length of the selected region. So after making cuts the drummer still caters it’s fills at the end of the bar and not where we want it. I usually find that dialing the fill level down instead of up helps find an appropriate flow and keeping it minimalistic makes editing in midi easier. Once your happy with your drums you can easily bounce the midi file into individual audio tracks for every drum for better mixing. My favorite lazy trick…. If you have EZ Mix 2, put “Master 2” on the end of your drummer track and it sounds amazing with one click!!
Nice! Yes, it can be finicky. I play with the fill level, intensity and complexity until it starts to work. And for mixing, I do that too. I didn't get into mixing in this video but I split them out as well and mix it properly as if they were real drums. I've never tied EZ Mix...maybe I should... :)))))
Fantastic video thank you! I've used Sup Drummer 3 for years and I'm still fairly new to Logic. This video has truly inspired me to utilize the power and creativity that Logic Drummer has to offer. Well done!
Fantastic video! As someone who's programmed a bunch of different hardware and software drum machines over the years, it blows my mind how much quicker and easier and more human sounding Logic's Drummer is. So good.
@@LonelyRocker the more I've been using this technique the closer I can get to the drums I hear in my head. One thing, though: I can't seem to replicate what you do at 17:51. When I select a Drummer region, the Step Editor option under the Windows menu is grayed out. Step Editor only seems to be an option when I select a midi region, not a Drummer region. Any idea?
My pleasure but sadly the step editor was removed for Drummer in more recent versions of Logic. Not sure why!!! But moving the tracks to the piano roll is the way to finish it anyways....
Something else you can do is add reverb. You also get some cool free plugins with the new UA volt audio interfaces and also focusrite Scarlett and other models.
Super helpful, I somehow managed these exact steps a month ago with my last release and wasn’t sure what I did ended up frustrated this weekend trying to use drummer on another song. I’ll be approaching it again with the splicing, edit and midi clean up in mind. Thx u! new to ur channel, another solo rocker here, will be checking ur vids! Keep rocking!
Glad it helped! Yeah. They removed that function. But not to worry. It was kind of clunky anyways. Just edit your drummer track as tight as possible then flip it to the piano roll for the fine editing. It works just as good if not better to do it that way. Cheers!
Thanks for creating this video. You are sharing some wonderful tips! Logic Drummer is very cool. I'm hoping its algorithms will be improved upon in future Logic versions. An additional tip I can offer for others - if you want to quickly hear another pattern without adjusting any parameters just right-click on the region and select "refresh region". A new phrase will be created with the same dynamics.
Didn’t realize you could influence the electronic drummer in this way to get a more realistic sound but your tips although take a little work sound well worth it.
Also note that moving the fill dial and then moving it back to the same place creates a new variation, I’ve had near perfect moments lost by slightly bumping it😳
Yes. Drummer is designed around the edit points. Best to make all of the edits first, get those working and then tweak the performance. NEVER get attached to anything until you have followed that order. The attempt at making drummer more “human” also makes it more unpredictable. That’s just how it is….
I create a track using a drum rhythm sample that I like. I then create a groove track using the sample track. I then set drummer to follow the drum track, then mute the sample track. You can get some amazing results
What a great gem on YT - Thank You !! Never thought to chop drummer that extensively and export to Midi. That inspires big time. Need to convince my 13 year old son now to divert from German Rap to a proper rock song 😄. At least for one lol.
Thank you so much!!!! Glad you found this helpful. Yes, keeping the kids on track is a challenge. I got to mine early trying to inspire them with the value of practise and great rock and roll. They bought in early but influences from friends and what they hear at school is a formidable force!!! They now like "both" ....arggghhh!
Great video! I’ve been trying to get Drummer to hit a crash on the and of 4 for weeks, but it kept defaulting to hitting it on 1. Thanks for making this! It really takes Drummer to the next level, which can take a song to the next level. I’ll be checking out more videos!
Do your cymbals seperately on a different track with any samples. Pull your drummer track down to a midi file. Then just move it where ever you want. Simple
This was a really good video on how to get a lot out of Logic drummer. I'm mostly a Studio One guy, but you could almost vidicate buying Logic just for the drummer program. I was using Jamstix, but they have not updated the Mac program in a long, long, time. Maybe it's because of Logic drummer.
Wwoh absolutely greatt learning. Wiith tthiis u took me frm a noob to ultimate pro level in Logic Pro. Thnks a lot. Pliz keep making more videos. New subscriber here. 🔥♥️
So for anyone confused about not being able to use "Step editor" with Drummer. This was removed after update 10.5.x. Instead we now have Step sequencer and it can actually be used with Drummer. But there are some limitations. The region has to a few bars or it is too long and can't be converted to and from MIDI. There is a video on this by MusicTechHelpGuy
Yeah, I did this video a while ago and noticed that feature was removed. Though I actually don't miss it s I go straight to the piano roll. With the step sequencer can it load existing drummer patterns. I only played with it for 5 minutes but it seems to create a new region and not edit the existing drummer pattern...
I remember when I first found this video and I got so excited, because of the limitation in Drummer with certain hits. And it was greyed out and I was like NOOO! 😂 Someone even said this is a bug that they fixed it in the update, I don't know about that. It was kinda what I had been missing, so I was a bit bummed out learning it was removed. Just tweaking certain hits in a region is awesome! If you create a Drummer region and make sure it's only 4 bars long (I think, it won't work with longer, converting it will be greyed out), drag it to an empty MIDI track, edit something, then right click the region and choose Convert - Convert to Pattern Region. Then you can move it back up to the Drummer track again and mix it with Drummer regions. @@LonelyRocker
OK, I see. Well, for what I do I'm OK to bypassing the set editor/sequencer step. I edit the Drummer tracks as tightly as I can then flip the whole thing to the piano roll for fine tweaks and edits. That's been working great for me. I actually don't miss the step editor step and I'm not limited my bar size so I can do what I want/need...but thanks for the tip. I never even opened the step sequencer. I may give that a go for very custom sections. Cheers!
Yeah, same here! But it's an option, and you can get really creative, especially with electronic music, with random and backwards notes and what have you, haha! But yeah, for some custom sections I can see it being useful! 🙂Have a good one! @@LonelyRocker
Hey Lonely Rocker, that was an excellent tutorial !!! It is extremely similar to the way I do Drums in LPX, I have literally tried every drum plugin known to man; just wanted to give you an FYI that I discovered and I never saw on any tutorials; you can load a drummer track with regions and then literally "reset channel strip" and then load BFD, EZ Drummer or Kontakt on the same track and still have the full functionality of a "drummer" track (auto fills, swing, etc) on your preferred drum samples, of course in the end you will convert to MIDI for scalpel editing, but my approach gives you a better representation before converting to MIDI :)
Awesome...thank you. Glad you enjoyed that. Yours is a neat tip too. I do A LOT of editing in the piano roll to really customize it and now in LPX you can't use the step editor anymore to edit the Drummer track. Not sure why they took that feature away. I find no matter what I do I can't get it perfect with just drummer. It gets me maybe 70-80% of the way there and then I do deep editing in MIDI to take it up one more notch. Thanks for checking this out!
@@LonelyRocker I forgot this last issue in LPX, when converting "Drummer" tracks to MIDI, you will notice that that the HIHats of Notes with the same MIDI velocity can sound totally different and drive you crazy... there is a hidden value (in the event list) of the "articulation" this value basically sets which Hihat sample is played, drove me nuts, I once had closed hihHats that all sounded like open hats due to a different "articulation" when drummer converted to MIDI
Thank you for this thoughtful video.Cool presentation !..I'm after that 'heft' a live drummer gives , not necessarily heavy but very spirited 'heft'.Ha.That's the only way I can describe it.Loved that bass line too !!Lots of fun
Fantastic thank you! I love Drummer and expect Apple will someday soon allow for custom kits (i.e. more Toms or double bass) with libraries. Drummer is always better than a real human drummer because you don’t have to deal with his girlfriend…Tiffany. lol
@@gonebymidnight2881 Superior Drummer is so pricey though ... and it's such a large amount of data to store if you want the full library. Is it worth it?
hi. Nice mate. Another really cool sound is to bounce out just the snare and the kick drum and then heavily tune them to the key of the song.and blend them back in
I was already following the first part (cutting up drummer pattens to have better breaks and fills) but I understand the need to go a step further. Maybe I’ll just add a parallel midi drum track with the same setup for the destructive editing and keep as much of drummer editable as possible. But it shows… more effort reaps deeper results.
Your programming skills are excellent, my only suggestion would be detune the snare a bit so it has a bit more thud and less crack. Mer de Noms by APC has a perfect drum sound, so natural and under compressed.
Awesome,im also a multi instrumentalist, but don't have drums at the moment..So thank you very much for explaining how to do it , you gave me what I needed and opened up more ideas God bless subscribed for sure!
Thanks! Check my channel. I have demonstrated the occasional bass tone :) Here's one example: th-cam.com/video/uWMtONSZPmU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZwveXSnzYzSaP6zb
drummer is mind blowingly good - the only way you'd possibly do better is with an A list session drummer recording in an A list studio - and no amateur musicians will ever have access to that!
The 1 thing and probably the only thing I don’t like about drummer is that it’s too many crash cymbals (I can’t get rid of them) another thing is you can turn the regions to midi to take out what you don’t want (I just don’t know how to reverse it back out of midi) WELP at around 20m in you spoke on it ! So there we have it lol hahaha good job. I didn’t know about the step editor
@@LonelyRocker 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this video def helped b/c then symbols crashes were killing me! I’ve had logic for years and had purchased addictive drums! Had no idea logic had its own drummer till this year of 2023 🤦🏾♂️
Very nicely presented video, gives a lot of inspiration. I will try this method out. Just got Bob Rock's drum pack for EZdrummer so that will be a blast! Subscribed!
Hey I really loved this video! Many useful tips. I wasn't able to view my drummer region in the step editor. It was greyed out. I think Im missing a step. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful! Yes, for some reason Logic took this feature away in the latest release. I was using an older version of Logic for this video but have since upgraded. It's OK. Follow all of the steps and just make all of those finer changes once you've moved the whole thing to the piano roll. Works just as well and it's actually one less step. Good luck!
Absolutely bonkers video brother! excellent presentation and really helpful content. Immediate like and subscribe. PS: I noticed the Rush figurines, represent!!
Hello, very helpful video. I can't seem to open the step editor on the virtual drummer track. When I do, it's blank and does not show any of the drum hits. Has something changed? Any help appreciated. thanks
Yes. If you fish through the comments this has been asked numerous times. For some reason this feature has been disabled since the version I used here. Not sure why. But still follow my steps and save the fine tuning for the piano roll stage. Still works great.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it! There may be a way to automate the levels in midi but that’s too much brain work for me. Move the crash to its own track and automate the volume. That’d do it.
Glad it helped! An no. Logic Drummer and EZ Drummer don’t talk to each other. Once you flip it to the piano roll it maps seamlessly. But you can tweak that too if you want. But it’s easier to change the drums within EZ Drummer. Hope that helps!
Yes, when I updated Logic the step editor is now greyed out for Drummer. Not sure why they did that. But you can skip that step, make all of the edits I demonstrated and tweak once you move it to the piano roll. You'll still be able to create a great drum part...
I tend to use Logic drummer without fills, cut where I want fills, go to Logic loops for fills and slot them in. If fills are not quite right I alter them in piano roll.
Interesting technique....
But do your fill samples have the same sound?
@@RayyMusik I've found Logic matches the project sounds not the loop sound. If you use live recorded loops with effects inbedded they can be tricky. Logic drummer uses midi as you may know so midi loops are best. I find it takes too much time fidling with logic drummer to fine tune it, so I just get it roughly right.
Thank You for the tip 🫶🏾🍻
Where have you been in my life…I’ve been searching for a realistic and flexible drumming solution - you’ve delivered it here in spades! Your solution and your thorough explanations are nothing short of spectacular. New sub - can’t wait to dive into more of your treasures. Thanks.
Wow! thanks so much! Appreciate it! I have lots of stuff. Enjoy the deep dive and I look forward to reading more comments from you!
I randomly clicked on this for the drums and found you slaying the bass with some stank on it… nicely done all around
Ha! Glad you found it and enjoyed it. Thanks so much!
I’m in the exact boat! Home solo musician who plays bass, guitar, piano and drums. I even bought and expanded an e drum kit. After 4 years I’m just not cutting it on them. Enter logic drummer! I replace the drum plugin and pipe it into Superior Drummer’s area 33. Sounds good, but lacking that human touch.
Thanks for the tips!!
It's my pleasure to help a fellow Lonely Rocker!!!
I just watched a man make a sick drum track in like 10 minutes. Very cool
Ha! Glad you enjoyed that! ;)
I’ve been doing what you do for a while now, but not beyond chopping parts smaller than a verse or chorus, and not using the step editor. I’ll have to try your techniques. Good video.
Thnx. Hope you push those drum tracks to the next level!
Excellent handle on how to harness Drummer! Kudos! Thank you!
Sick bassline man. I'm embarking on my own solo project too. This is very useful and reminds me to dive deep into the actual work. Thanks!
Thanks so much! Good luck with your project!
@@LonelyRocker Love your bass tone. You have a vid on that? thankx
@eflatmin7 thanks. I get it a few ways but check this. Great BASS TONE Was Lurking in the BASSMENT!
th-cam.com/video/uWMtONSZPmU/w-d-xo.html
Sometimes if necessary, I will convert a section to midi region and use the piano roll to perfectly place hits right where they need to be.
Exactly...I do that all the time!
Great video. The most creative use of Logic Drummer that I've seen on TH-cam so far. This is a really deep and advanced subject involving serious understanding of drum grooves, rhythmic patterns, dynamics, etc. and editing in Logic tracks and also MIDI. I'm a long way from that level, but you've really shown me where you can take it.
Glad you enjoyed it! And so happy you found it helpful. It's good to know what's possible so you can set goals....Cheers!
damn that bass tone is FIRE ma dude
Thank you!!! I had fun with that :)
Another first rate video from the lonely Rocker. This guy really knows his stuff. Please keep these great videos coming. Look forward to the next subject.
Thanks kind stranger. Your positivity drives me to make great content. More coming your way! ;)
I’ve been using Logic for many years and your process for editing Drummer is almost identical to mine.
I had the same issues with drum fills. Logic automatically plays fills at the end of a bar in relation to the assigned time signature, not the length of the selected region. So after making cuts the drummer still caters it’s fills at the end of the bar and not where we want it.
I usually find that dialing the fill level down instead of up helps find an appropriate flow and keeping it minimalistic makes editing in midi easier.
Once your happy with your drums you can easily bounce the midi file into individual audio tracks for every drum for better mixing.
My favorite lazy trick…. If you have EZ Mix 2, put “Master 2” on the end of your drummer track and it sounds amazing with one click!!
Nice! Yes, it can be finicky. I play with the fill level, intensity and complexity until it starts to work. And for mixing, I do that too. I didn't get into mixing in this video but I split them out as well and mix it properly as if they were real drums. I've never tied EZ Mix...maybe I should... :)))))
Thanks for the tips. Will definitely use them with my other things.
My pleasure!! Have fun with it!
The best tutorial of Drummer that I’ve found 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic video thank you! I've used Sup Drummer 3 for years and I'm still fairly new to Logic. This video has truly inspired me to utilize the power and creativity that Logic Drummer has to offer. Well done!
My pleasure!! So glad you found it helpful. Thanks for your kind words!
Fantastic video! As someone who's programmed a bunch of different hardware and software drum machines over the years, it blows my mind how much quicker and easier and more human sounding Logic's Drummer is. So good.
Thanks so much! And I agree. I think drummer is the main reason I stay on Logic 😜
@@LonelyRocker the more I've been using this technique the closer I can get to the drums I hear in my head. One thing, though: I can't seem to replicate what you do at 17:51. When I select a Drummer region, the Step Editor option under the Windows menu is grayed out. Step Editor only seems to be an option when I select a midi region, not a Drummer region. Any idea?
What a brilliant tutorial! I use drummer a lot, different genre but this has taught be so much! Thank you
Thank you! Happy this helped you. Thanks for sharing some positive vibes
Whoa 😮😮😮😮😮the step editor is key. Thanks for showing us that.
My pleasure but sadly the step editor was removed for Drummer in more recent versions of Logic. Not sure why!!! But moving the tracks to the piano roll is the way to finish it anyways....
@@LonelyRocker
Thanks so much, game changer for me this video!
You're welcome! Glad you found it helpful...
That is incredible. I'm new to Logic and this just opened it up for miles and miles. Wow...thank you!
Awesome! Enjoy the ride! And glad I could help 🤘🏽🎸
Something else you can do is add reverb. You also get some cool free plugins with the new UA volt audio interfaces and also focusrite Scarlett and other models.
Super helpful, I somehow managed these exact steps a month ago with my last release and wasn’t sure what I did ended up frustrated this weekend trying to use drummer on another song. I’ll be approaching it again with the splicing, edit and midi clean up in mind. Thx u! new to ur channel, another solo rocker here, will be checking ur vids! Keep rocking!
Glad it helped! Awesome to have another Lonely Rocker here. Look forward to hearing from you again!
I love logic’s FET Live Drums setting on the logic compressor. It sounds great out of the box.
Some nice kits in there for sure....
This video help me a lot, Thank you! Sadly, now the new Logic pro , step editor is no longer work for drummer anymore.
Glad it helped! Yeah. They removed that function. But not to worry. It was kind of clunky anyways. Just edit your drummer track as tight as possible then flip it to the piano roll for the fine editing. It works just as good if not better to do it that way. Cheers!
Thanks for creating this video. You are sharing some wonderful tips! Logic Drummer is very cool. I'm hoping its algorithms will be improved upon in future Logic versions. An additional tip I can offer for others - if you want to quickly hear another pattern without adjusting any parameters just right-click on the region and select "refresh region". A new phrase will be created with the same dynamics.
Oh, thank you so much! And thanks for providing an additional tip!! Very useful....
Great tips, particularly second half using grid editor.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
Man, what a great presentation; really inspiring!!!
Thank you so much!!!!
Awesome video dude! Please keep making more videos about using logic drummer for human music, I’ll watch them all!
Glad you enjoyed it! I’ll see if I have any other angles for this ;)
Didn’t realize you could influence the electronic drummer in this way to get a more realistic sound but your tips although take a little work sound well worth it.
Nothing good is easy! Glad you found this helpful. Thanks!!
The best tutorial I`ve seen with drummer!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Also note that moving the fill dial and then moving it back to the same place creates a new variation, I’ve had near perfect moments lost by slightly bumping it😳
Yes. Drummer is designed around the edit points. Best to make all of the edits first, get those working and then tweak the performance. NEVER get attached to anything until you have followed that order. The attempt at making drummer more “human” also makes it more unpredictable. That’s just how it is….
Great tips..Tthank you very much! Cheers from Brazil!
My pleasure!!! I've been to Brazil once...I have family there. Cheers from Canada!
@@LonelyRocker Cool! Wish you all the best!
@@rodrigovazquezoficialCheers to you!
I create a track using a drum rhythm sample that I like. I then create a groove track using the sample track. I then set drummer to follow the drum track, then mute the sample track. You can get some amazing results
I’ve actually tried that with mixed results but it’s a good way to try and find a different feel for sure….nice tip!
Your production skills are ridiculously good. Subcribed.
Wow. Thank you so much. Awesome to have you here!!
That bass sounded great.
Thank you!
Forgot to mention the great playing!! (Most important part of making the logic drummer sound good).
Thanks so much!
What a great gem on YT - Thank You !! Never thought to chop drummer that extensively and export to Midi. That inspires big time. Need to convince my 13 year old son now to divert from German Rap to a proper rock song 😄. At least for one lol.
Thank you so much!!!! Glad you found this helpful. Yes, keeping the kids on track is a challenge. I got to mine early trying to inspire them with the value of practise and great rock and roll. They bought in early but influences from friends and what they hear at school is a formidable force!!! They now like "both" ....arggghhh!
Even though it takes lots of practice like everything in music, it looks extremely user friendly
It's a feature not present in other DAWs so it really is a great tool if you need to create more realistic drums...
Very helpful. Thank you!
You're welcome! Thanks for checking it out!
Great video! I’ve been trying to get Drummer to hit a crash on the and of 4 for weeks, but it kept defaulting to hitting it on 1. Thanks for making this! It really takes Drummer to the next level, which can take a song to the next level. I’ll be checking out more videos!
Awesome! Glad this helped. Hope to hear from you on another video!
Do your cymbals seperately on a different track with any samples. Pull your drummer track down to a midi file. Then just move it where ever you want. Simple
Awesome! Man you play great bass...
Thanks so much!!!!
Thank you sir, very helpfull video !
My pleasure!
Thx! Learnt a few more things about DRUMMER!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was a really good video on how to get a lot out of Logic drummer. I'm mostly a Studio One guy, but you could almost vidicate buying Logic just for the drummer program. I was using Jamstix, but they have not updated the Mac program in a long, long, time. Maybe it's because of Logic drummer.
Thank you. It was actually suggested I try Jamstix as an alternative. Too bad they are not updating it. But tough to beat what Drummer offers....
Lonely Rocker , same here. A Studio One user who is seriously considering change horses because of drummer. Excelent video 👏👏👏🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Wwoh absolutely greatt learning. Wiith tthiis u took me frm a noob to ultimate pro level in Logic Pro. Thnks a lot. Pliz keep making more videos.
New subscriber here. 🔥♥️
Much appreciated! Thank you! I’m dropping videos weekly. Thanks for joining!
Thanks great tutorial
My pleasure. And thank you!
I love this video. Helps a lot. Thank you for sharing your workflow and opening up a new world of possibilities to me.
Absolutely my pleasure. Glad this helps you.
So for anyone confused about not being able to use "Step editor" with Drummer. This was removed after update 10.5.x. Instead we now have Step sequencer and it can actually be used with Drummer. But there are some limitations. The region has to a few bars or it is too long and can't be converted to and from MIDI. There is a video on this by MusicTechHelpGuy
Yeah, I did this video a while ago and noticed that feature was removed. Though I actually don't miss it s I go straight to the piano roll. With the step sequencer can it load existing drummer patterns. I only played with it for 5 minutes but it seems to create a new region and not edit the existing drummer pattern...
I remember when I first found this video and I got so excited, because of the limitation in Drummer with certain hits. And it was greyed out and I was like NOOO! 😂 Someone even said this is a bug that they fixed it in the update, I don't know about that. It was kinda what I had been missing, so I was a bit bummed out learning it was removed. Just tweaking certain hits in a region is awesome!
If you create a Drummer region and make sure it's only 4 bars long (I think, it won't work with longer, converting it will be greyed out), drag it to an empty MIDI track, edit something, then right click the region and choose Convert - Convert to Pattern Region. Then you can move it back up to the Drummer track again and mix it with Drummer regions. @@LonelyRocker
OK, I see. Well, for what I do I'm OK to bypassing the set editor/sequencer step. I edit the Drummer tracks as tightly as I can then flip the whole thing to the piano roll for fine tweaks and edits. That's been working great for me. I actually don't miss the step editor step and I'm not limited my bar size so I can do what I want/need...but thanks for the tip. I never even opened the step sequencer. I may give that a go for very custom sections. Cheers!
Yeah, same here! But it's an option, and you can get really creative, especially with electronic music, with random and backwards notes and what have you, haha! But yeah, for some custom sections I can see it being useful! 🙂Have a good one! @@LonelyRocker
Electronic music. That’s probably why I don’t use it. Ha! Thanks for the tip though. I’ll definitely get some use out of it. Cheers!
Thank you, that hit the spot like a cold beer.
Ha! You are most welcome...Thanks for your time.
thanks for your great suggestions, you opened a limit for me that I could not overcome. Now I understand how to do it
My pleasure!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!!!
36 seconds in and I’ve already subscribed.
Damn! I need to work harder. I should have had you by 18 seconds! Ha, kidding. Awesome to have you here. Thank you!
Hey Lonely Rocker, that was an excellent tutorial !!! It is extremely similar to the way I do Drums in LPX, I have literally tried every drum plugin known to man; just wanted to give you an FYI that I discovered and I never saw on any tutorials; you can load a drummer track with regions and then literally "reset channel strip" and then load BFD, EZ Drummer or Kontakt on the same track and still have the full functionality of a "drummer" track (auto fills, swing, etc) on your preferred drum samples, of course in the end you will convert to MIDI for scalpel editing, but my approach gives you a better representation before converting to MIDI :)
Awesome...thank you. Glad you enjoyed that. Yours is a neat tip too. I do A LOT of editing in the piano roll to really customize it and now in LPX you can't use the step editor anymore to edit the Drummer track. Not sure why they took that feature away. I find no matter what I do I can't get it perfect with just drummer. It gets me maybe 70-80% of the way there and then I do deep editing in MIDI to take it up one more notch. Thanks for checking this out!
@@LonelyRocker I forgot this last issue in LPX, when converting "Drummer" tracks to MIDI, you will notice that that the HIHats of Notes with the same MIDI velocity can sound totally different and drive you crazy... there is a hidden value (in the event list) of the "articulation" this value basically sets which Hihat sample is played, drove me nuts, I once had closed hihHats that all sounded like open hats due to a different "articulation" when drummer converted to MIDI
Really helpful! BTW you must love 10.8 where you can use EZ Drums (or SD) as your drum set from the get go!
Glad you enjoyed it. I still work the old way 😂😂
Amazing ideas on Drummer, thanks!💎
My pleasure!
Thank you!
No. Thank you! 😎
Man, this is brilliant. Thank you!
You're very welcome! And thanks so much!
Thanks!🙂
No problem!
Thank you for this thoughtful video.Cool presentation !..I'm after that 'heft' a live drummer gives , not necessarily heavy but very spirited 'heft'.Ha.That's the only way I can describe it.Loved that bass line too !!Lots of fun
Thanks so much for your thoughts! Glad you enjoyed it.
Nice one, I found it interesting doing it this and even more inspiring watching your video
Thanks so much! Very much appreciated. 🤘🏽🎸😎
Fantastic thank you! I love Drummer and expect Apple will someday soon allow for custom kits (i.e. more Toms or double bass) with libraries. Drummer is always better than a real human drummer because you don’t have to deal with his girlfriend…Tiffany. lol
Ha!! That's hilarious and so true. The other benefit is drummer doesn't slow down! :))))))
@@LonelyRocker I changed the drum machine mapping from “General” to V-Drum and it plays Maschine Kits even better!
you can just insert an instance of Superior Drummer on a Drummer track and play with great samples
You can route the logic drummer into other drum machines!!
@@gonebymidnight2881 Superior Drummer is so pricey though ... and it's such a large amount of data to store if you want the full library. Is it worth it?
Thx a lot man!
No problem!
awesome video! answered so many questions I have!
Thanks! So glad it helped you!
Very inspirational! Thanks for taking the time to help others.
My pleasure! And thank you for your kind words.
Great video. Easy to follow along. Thanks 🙏
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great composition👏👏👏
Thanks!!
hi. Nice mate. Another really cool sound is to bounce out just the snare and the kick drum and then heavily tune them to the key of the song.and blend them back in
Ooooh. Nice tip! Thanks for that!
learned a lot
Awesome!
I was already following the first part (cutting up drummer pattens to have better breaks and fills) but I understand the need to go a step further. Maybe I’ll just add a parallel midi drum track with the same setup for the destructive editing and keep as much of drummer editable as possible. But it shows… more effort reaps deeper results.
Keep pushing it for even better results!!
Great job! You opened the doors of my imagination with your talent. Thanks a lot.
My pleasure 😊 Glad you found this useful. Thank you....
Your programming skills are excellent, my only suggestion would be detune the snare a bit so it has a bit more thud and less crack. Mer de Noms by APC has a perfect drum sound, so natural and under compressed.
Thnx! Yeah, on a full mix I pay closer attention to the sounds. As I stated this about the performance. But good tip!
Awesome,im also a multi instrumentalist, but don't have drums at the moment..So thank you very much for explaining how to do it , you gave me what I needed and opened up more ideas God bless subscribed for sure!
My pleasure!! Happy to help and so happy to have you here!
Thanks for this video. Very helpful.
My pleasure!!
Excellent video!!
Brilliant tips for drummer .
But how did you get that awesome bass sound?!
Thanks! Check my channel. I have demonstrated the occasional bass tone :) Here's one example: th-cam.com/video/uWMtONSZPmU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZwveXSnzYzSaP6zb
Well done man 👏🏼
Thank you 🙌
Totally worthy ❤Subscribed!!! Love it.
Welcome aboard! And thanks so much!
drummer is mind blowingly good - the only way you'd possibly do better is with an A list session drummer recording in an A list studio - and no amateur musicians will ever have access to that!
It’s definitely the best drum solution I’ve ever used outside of a real drummer for sure!
Thanks so much for making this. Helps me out a ton! 🙌🏼
Happy to help!
Anders does rock...
I love me some Anders 😂😂
Like you asked for like 3/4 thru video…and yes liked your content…Thank you….
Awesome. Thank you so much.
amazing, thanks for sharing ✨🙌🏻
Thanks so much and happy to share!
Thanks for making this kind of videos!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
The 1 thing and probably the only thing I don’t like about drummer is that it’s too many crash cymbals (I can’t get rid of them) another thing is you can turn the regions to midi to take out what you don’t want (I just don’t know how to reverse it back out of midi) WELP at around 20m in you spoke on it ! So there we have it lol hahaha good job. I didn’t know about the step editor
Hope you love drummer now 😂😂😂
@@LonelyRocker 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this video def helped b/c then symbols crashes were killing me! I’ve had logic for years and had purchased addictive drums! Had no idea logic had its own drummer till this year of 2023 🤦🏾♂️
@@jKHAHN215PA Ha! Glad I could enlighten you 😎🎸👍🏻
Thank so much for this!
You're so welcome!
Nice job - thank you for the tips 👍🏻
My pleasure! Thanks!
Excellent tutorial!
Glad you liked it! Cheers!
Great stuff! I am also a lonely musician without a current band! Sign of the times? Subscribed with the bell!!
It's a great time in history to be Lonely!!! Thanks so much. Glad you've joined the ride!
Very nicely presented video, gives a lot of inspiration. I will try this method out. Just got Bob Rock's drum pack for EZdrummer so that will be a blast! Subscribed!
Thanks so much. Glad it helped! Happy to have you here!
great song and lead
Thank so much!
I wanna know what's in the signal chain of that Bass Guitar! Sounds great!
Thanks. Might have been early days from this - Great BASS TONE Was Lurking in the BASSMENT!
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Excellent vid amigo
Thanks so much!
Great tutorial, thanks for posting! Subbed 👍
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks sooooo..much! excellent tutorial ! 👍
Thanks! Glad it helped! 🤟🏼😎🎸
Hey I really loved this video! Many useful tips. I wasn't able to view my drummer region in the step editor. It was greyed out. I think Im missing a step. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful! Yes, for some reason Logic took this feature away in the latest release. I was using an older version of Logic for this video but have since upgraded. It's OK. Follow all of the steps and just make all of those finer changes once you've moved the whole thing to the piano roll. Works just as well and it's actually one less step. Good luck!
@@LonelyRocker oh thanks so much for your reply!! Keep rockin brother 😎✌️
My pleasure and thanks!
Absolutely bonkers video brother! excellent presentation and really helpful content. Immediate like and subscribe. PS: I noticed the Rush figurines, represent!!
Truly appreciate your thoughts my friend!! Glad to have you here...and Rush rules forever!!! :)
Do you know what the pull and push options are doing ? Thanks great video.
Thanks! Yes, just like a real drummer you push ahead of the tempo or pull behind...it's a feel thing...
Hello, very helpful video. I can't seem to open the step editor on the virtual drummer track. When I do, it's blank and does not show any of the drum hits. Has something changed? Any help appreciated. thanks
Yes. If you fish through the comments this has been asked numerous times. For some reason this feature has been disabled since the version I used here. Not sure why. But still follow my steps and save the fine tuning for the piano roll stage. Still works great.
Nice vid! Thanks for sharing!
Is there any way to mute the crash on a break?
Not yours specifically, in general…
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it! There may be a way to automate the levels in midi but that’s too much brain work for me. Move the crash to its own track and automate the volume. That’d do it.
@@LonelyRocker thank you!
Super helpful video. Is it necessary to do any MIDI remapping between Logic Drummer and EZDrummer?
Glad it helped! An no. Logic Drummer and EZ Drummer don’t talk to each other. Once you flip it to the piano roll it maps seamlessly. But you can tweak that too if you want. But it’s easier to change the drums within EZ Drummer. Hope that helps!
The new thing for me here would be the step editor, but it's greyed out. Not sure if this is a new thing for Logic, but it's a shame.
Yes, when I updated Logic the step editor is now greyed out for Drummer. Not sure why they did that. But you can skip that step, make all of the edits I demonstrated and tweak once you move it to the piano roll. You'll still be able to create a great drum part...
Cool