I tend to use Logic drummer without fills, cut where I want fills, go to Logic loops for fills and slot them in. If fills are not quite right I alter them in piano roll.
@@RayyMusik I've found Logic matches the project sounds not the loop sound. If you use live recorded loops with effects inbedded they can be tricky. Logic drummer uses midi as you may know so midi loops are best. I find it takes too much time fidling with logic drummer to fine tune it, so I just get it roughly right.
Where have you been in my life…I’ve been searching for a realistic and flexible drumming solution - you’ve delivered it here in spades! Your solution and your thorough explanations are nothing short of spectacular. New sub - can’t wait to dive into more of your treasures. Thanks.
I’ve been doing what you do for a while now, but not beyond chopping parts smaller than a verse or chorus, and not using the step editor. I’ll have to try your techniques. Good video.
I’m in the exact boat! Home solo musician who plays bass, guitar, piano and drums. I even bought and expanded an e drum kit. After 4 years I’m just not cutting it on them. Enter logic drummer! I replace the drum plugin and pipe it into Superior Drummer’s area 33. Sounds good, but lacking that human touch. Thanks for the tips!!
Great video. The most creative use of Logic Drummer that I've seen on TH-cam so far. This is a really deep and advanced subject involving serious understanding of drum grooves, rhythmic patterns, dynamics, etc. and editing in Logic tracks and also MIDI. I'm a long way from that level, but you've really shown me where you can take it.
I create a track using a drum rhythm sample that I like. I then create a groove track using the sample track. I then set drummer to follow the drum track, then mute the sample track. You can get some amazing results
Thank you so much! Really appreciate that. Even though I’m a guitar player I love playing bass. Drummer has been updated in the newer versions of Logic. I should consider doing an update soon. Cheers!
I’ve been using Logic for many years and your process for editing Drummer is almost identical to mine. I had the same issues with drum fills. Logic automatically plays fills at the end of a bar in relation to the assigned time signature, not the length of the selected region. So after making cuts the drummer still caters it’s fills at the end of the bar and not where we want it. I usually find that dialing the fill level down instead of up helps find an appropriate flow and keeping it minimalistic makes editing in midi easier. Once your happy with your drums you can easily bounce the midi file into individual audio tracks for every drum for better mixing. My favorite lazy trick…. If you have EZ Mix 2, put “Master 2” on the end of your drummer track and it sounds amazing with one click!!
Nice! Yes, it can be finicky. I play with the fill level, intensity and complexity until it starts to work. And for mixing, I do that too. I didn't get into mixing in this video but I split them out as well and mix it properly as if they were real drums. I've never tied EZ Mix...maybe I should... :)))))
Super helpful, I somehow managed these exact steps a month ago with my last release and wasn’t sure what I did ended up frustrated this weekend trying to use drummer on another song. I’ll be approaching it again with the splicing, edit and midi clean up in mind. Thx u! new to ur channel, another solo rocker here, will be checking ur vids! Keep rocking!
Fantastic video thank you! I've used Sup Drummer 3 for years and I'm still fairly new to Logic. This video has truly inspired me to utilize the power and creativity that Logic Drummer has to offer. Well done!
Something else you can do is add reverb. You also get some cool free plugins with the new UA volt audio interfaces and also focusrite Scarlett and other models.
Great video on how to get the most out of Logic Drummer. I have been using it since it came out and use some of the same techniques you do. When it comes to using other Drum instruments (like you did with EZ drummer), I have found mapping the drums correctly to be a real pain. Some drum apps have a Logic Map, but others don't. In those cases, I have to create the map which is very time consuming and prone to error. How do you handle mapping between drum apps? I would love to find some place where I could get accurate Logic Drum maps for all the major third party drum apps like Superior Drummer, Steve Slate Drums, Addictive Drums, etc. Do you know how I could go about doing that? Thanks much! Loving the Lonely Rock schtick!
Fantastic video! As someone who's programmed a bunch of different hardware and software drum machines over the years, it blows my mind how much quicker and easier and more human sounding Logic's Drummer is. So good.
@@LonelyRocker the more I've been using this technique the closer I can get to the drums I hear in my head. One thing, though: I can't seem to replicate what you do at 17:51. When I select a Drummer region, the Step Editor option under the Windows menu is grayed out. Step Editor only seems to be an option when I select a midi region, not a Drummer region. Any idea?
Thanks for creating this video. You are sharing some wonderful tips! Logic Drummer is very cool. I'm hoping its algorithms will be improved upon in future Logic versions. An additional tip I can offer for others - if you want to quickly hear another pattern without adjusting any parameters just right-click on the region and select "refresh region". A new phrase will be created with the same dynamics.
Another first rate video from the lonely Rocker. This guy really knows his stuff. Please keep these great videos coming. Look forward to the next subject.
Didn’t realize you could influence the electronic drummer in this way to get a more realistic sound but your tips although take a little work sound well worth it.
Thanks! Check my channel. I have demonstrated the occasional bass tone :) Here's one example: th-cam.com/video/uWMtONSZPmU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZwveXSnzYzSaP6zb
This was a really good video on how to get a lot out of Logic drummer. I'm mostly a Studio One guy, but you could almost vidicate buying Logic just for the drummer program. I was using Jamstix, but they have not updated the Mac program in a long, long, time. Maybe it's because of Logic drummer.
My pleasure but sadly the step editor was removed for Drummer in more recent versions of Logic. Not sure why!!! But moving the tracks to the piano roll is the way to finish it anyways....
What a great gem on YT - Thank You !! Never thought to chop drummer that extensively and export to Midi. That inspires big time. Need to convince my 13 year old son now to divert from German Rap to a proper rock song 😄. At least for one lol.
Thank you so much!!!! Glad you found this helpful. Yes, keeping the kids on track is a challenge. I got to mine early trying to inspire them with the value of practise and great rock and roll. They bought in early but influences from friends and what they hear at school is a formidable force!!! They now like "both" ....arggghhh!
hi. Nice mate. Another really cool sound is to bounce out just the snare and the kick drum and then heavily tune them to the key of the song.and blend them back in
Also note that moving the fill dial and then moving it back to the same place creates a new variation, I’ve had near perfect moments lost by slightly bumping it😳
Yes. Drummer is designed around the edit points. Best to make all of the edits first, get those working and then tweak the performance. NEVER get attached to anything until you have followed that order. The attempt at making drummer more “human” also makes it more unpredictable. That’s just how it is….
Wwoh absolutely greatt learning. Wiith tthiis u took me frm a noob to ultimate pro level in Logic Pro. Thnks a lot. Pliz keep making more videos. New subscriber here. 🔥♥️
Hey Lonely Rocker, that was an excellent tutorial !!! It is extremely similar to the way I do Drums in LPX, I have literally tried every drum plugin known to man; just wanted to give you an FYI that I discovered and I never saw on any tutorials; you can load a drummer track with regions and then literally "reset channel strip" and then load BFD, EZ Drummer or Kontakt on the same track and still have the full functionality of a "drummer" track (auto fills, swing, etc) on your preferred drum samples, of course in the end you will convert to MIDI for scalpel editing, but my approach gives you a better representation before converting to MIDI :)
Awesome...thank you. Glad you enjoyed that. Yours is a neat tip too. I do A LOT of editing in the piano roll to really customize it and now in LPX you can't use the step editor anymore to edit the Drummer track. Not sure why they took that feature away. I find no matter what I do I can't get it perfect with just drummer. It gets me maybe 70-80% of the way there and then I do deep editing in MIDI to take it up one more notch. Thanks for checking this out!
@@LonelyRocker I forgot this last issue in LPX, when converting "Drummer" tracks to MIDI, you will notice that that the HIHats of Notes with the same MIDI velocity can sound totally different and drive you crazy... there is a hidden value (in the event list) of the "articulation" this value basically sets which Hihat sample is played, drove me nuts, I once had closed hihHats that all sounded like open hats due to a different "articulation" when drummer converted to MIDI
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it! There may be a way to automate the levels in midi but that’s too much brain work for me. Move the crash to its own track and automate the volume. That’d do it.
I was already following the first part (cutting up drummer pattens to have better breaks and fills) but I understand the need to go a step further. Maybe I’ll just add a parallel midi drum track with the same setup for the destructive editing and keep as much of drummer editable as possible. But it shows… more effort reaps deeper results.
Great video! I’ve been trying to get Drummer to hit a crash on the and of 4 for weeks, but it kept defaulting to hitting it on 1. Thanks for making this! It really takes Drummer to the next level, which can take a song to the next level. I’ll be checking out more videos!
Do your cymbals seperately on a different track with any samples. Pull your drummer track down to a midi file. Then just move it where ever you want. Simple
Your programming skills are excellent, my only suggestion would be detune the snare a bit so it has a bit more thud and less crack. Mer de Noms by APC has a perfect drum sound, so natural and under compressed.
Very nicely presented video, gives a lot of inspiration. I will try this method out. Just got Bob Rock's drum pack for EZdrummer so that will be a blast! Subscribed!
Glad it helped! An no. Logic Drummer and EZ Drummer don’t talk to each other. Once you flip it to the piano roll it maps seamlessly. But you can tweak that too if you want. But it’s easier to change the drums within EZ Drummer. Hope that helps!
Hello, very helpful video. I can't seem to open the step editor on the virtual drummer track. When I do, it's blank and does not show any of the drum hits. Has something changed? Any help appreciated. thanks
Yes. If you fish through the comments this has been asked numerous times. For some reason this feature has been disabled since the version I used here. Not sure why. But still follow my steps and save the fine tuning for the piano roll stage. Still works great.
Thank you for this thoughtful video.Cool presentation !..I'm after that 'heft' a live drummer gives , not necessarily heavy but very spirited 'heft'.Ha.That's the only way I can describe it.Loved that bass line too !!Lots of fun
amazing vid, great stuff. however when i go to open step editor its greyed out for drummer regions. it worls for MIDI regions. how are you opening it for drummer regions? cheers.
Thanks! Yeah, a lot of people have asked about this. Logic removed this option since the version I was using to make this video. No idea why. BUT, you can follow all of my steps and make the fine tune adjustments in the piano roll. Just get it as tight as you can before moving onto that stage. I'm doing that now nad still getting great results...
Excellent tutorial! Thank you so much for creating and sharing this! One question: When you bring up the Step Editor around 17:52, is there something I might be missing if the step editor menu option is grayed out when I select a drummer region and try to access it? I have advanced settings turned on, just having a hard time getting the step editor to display. Thanks.
Thank you and my pleasure!!! I've had a few people commenting about the same problem. Are you on the latest version of Logic? I haven't upgraded because I'm planning to buy a new Mac soon. I'd like to figure this out.
Yeah, I'm on 10.7.2 and just discovered that the only way to make the step editor work is to first convert the drummer region to a midi region. It then allows you make the edits, but loses them if you need to convert back to a drummer region. Ah well, I was really excited to be able to go in and make a few minor adjustments, but looks like they have to be done in midi regions without the possibility of reverting back to drummer. Thanks again for a great tutorials!
@@GregLinhares I wonder if that’s a bug. Why would they pull that feature? Regardless. Everything still applies. Make as many edits as you can to get it close. You can be just as effective making these changes in the piano roll. Once I convert I never go back anyways but I always retain a copy of the drummer track in case I want to grab anything from it.
@@LonelyRocker Perhaps it is a bug. I completely understand the point of no return in this workflow and I love it. However, I also really love the idea of being able to make some subtle adjustments in the step editor prior to committing the the next phase. I'd really love to be able to add a few simple edits while still being able to adjust the drummer settings before converting to midi, but looks like that option is no longer available. I'll just have to adjust as close as possible and then convert to midi to make any minor adjustments for now. Thanks again!
Yep. Didn't know you could use step editor for a drummer region, and experimenting... but no, it DOES appear that if one was able to use Step Editor, that cannot now be done. Have no idea why this would have been removed, but definitely looks like it. Shame. Brings me to a thought I have had for some time. It's a shame that Apple haven't expanded on Drummer since they added the Percussion players, a while back. Could have been a great idea if they had opened up the API to 3rd parties so that others could create new drummers, as it looks like Apple are not going to. Would have been great to have a Reggae Drummer group, or a Latin drummer, or other styles.
Great tutorial! We had developed a similar workflow but you added the idea of cutting up the regions and applying different fill settings before converting to midi. Couple points... in converting between drum programs how did you handle the different formats used? I think drummer defaults too GM. We'd like to import the midi to the Abbey Road kits in Kontakt. Also, I was unable to open the Step Editor for the drummer regions, only midi worked. Running version 10.5.1 of Logic. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Truth is I'm not a power midi user. 99% of my midi work is what you see in this video. Occasionally I'll lay some keyboards down but not often. Once the performance is on a software track it should apply to any VST. Sometimes you may need to reassign the instruments but midi is generally mindless within the DAW. If Kontakt works as a VST on a track you should simply be able to drag the midi onto the Kontakt track. You can also export any midi track in your projects to an external midi file that you can then import into any other application. You access that from the file menu with the track highlighted. As for the Step editor I just open the Step Editor and highlight the track I want to edit and it works. I've seen others asking about this. For some it's greyed out. I'm not sure why. I can't replicate this issue.
Awesome,im also a multi instrumentalist, but don't have drums at the moment..So thank you very much for explaining how to do it , you gave me what I needed and opened up more ideas God bless subscribed for sure!
Hey I really loved this video! Many useful tips. I wasn't able to view my drummer region in the step editor. It was greyed out. I think Im missing a step. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful! Yes, for some reason Logic took this feature away in the latest release. I was using an older version of Logic for this video but have since upgraded. It's OK. Follow all of the steps and just make all of those finer changes once you've moved the whole thing to the piano roll. Works just as well and it's actually one less step. Good luck!
Great job and tutorial, thank you. Do you then take your piano roll midi and separate each instrument for processing and further mixing (i.e. snare, overheads, kick to specific routing)? I'm experimenting with Drummer Producer kit
Hi, hope you are very well. I was wondering how you can use step editor with Logic's Drummer, because Step Editor is Only for midi. I have been trying to do what you have done in the video with the step editor and all my attempts have been unsuccessful. The Step Editor always appears gray. I have selected the small regions as you show in the video but it does not allow me. I'm on version 10.5.1 of Logic
Yes, this has been a common comment. When I made this video, the version of Logic I was using allowed you to edit Drummer in the step editor. I wasn t aware Apple removed that feature in the update. But not to worry. Follow every step in the video as I described and then save those finer tweaks for the piano roll stage. I often do it that way anyways. The key is still to make as many edits as you can while in drummer and have the performance very close before you bounce it to midi. Hope this helps!!!
Thanks! Yeah, since this was video was done they removed the option to edit Drummer in the step editor. But not to worry. I just edit the drums as tight as I can and then flip it to the piano roll and make the tweaks there. I actually don't miss that step editor anymore....
@@LonelyRocker thanks for answer. my piano roll is also greyed out for drum region. althou it's synced and sounds when i press, but no events, no edits. for MIDI regions - it works, for drum region - no... i'd like to stay in a drummer mode - because of that feeling of a live drummer, that Logic's AI provide ) love it much!
I notice a lot of people using logic drummer but they seem to always want to use different kits that aren't the stock drums. Do most people not like those drum kits? They feel more natural to me than a lot of the stuff I hear from the other drum packs like EZ drummer etc. Can Logic's kits not be processed to have those tones or do they just suck?
Fantastic thank you! I love Drummer and expect Apple will someday soon allow for custom kits (i.e. more Toms or double bass) with libraries. Drummer is always better than a real human drummer because you don’t have to deal with his girlfriend…Tiffany. lol
@@gonebymidnight2881 Superior Drummer is so pricey though ... and it's such a large amount of data to store if you want the full library. Is it worth it?
Great video! One thing, Step editor is greyed out when I have a drummer track selected. I have a new install of Logic on a new computer and can't see any way to get into the step editor without converting to midi... I'm wondering if they removed this or I'm just doing something wrong.
Thanks! No you’re not doing anything wrong. Logic has since removed Drummer access to the step editor. No idea why. But you can just save the fine editing for the piano roll. Works just as well. I’m doing it that way now.
@@LonelyRocker Hmmm, that's interesting. I had tried the piano roll, and I can see the names of the drums along the left margin, but no notes are visible. I had another look with no luck. I wonder if that ability has been removed too in a point update? I'm on 10.7.7.
No it’s there. I use it everyday. You have to copy the drummer track to a midi track first. I demonstrate that in the video. Then clicking on each segment you will see the events in the piano roll.
Thank you! And Yes. A lot have asked about this. Apple removed this feature in the version after the one in this video. I don’t know why but not to fear. All the steps apply. Just reserve the fine tweaking for the piano roll stage. Still works very well.
@@LonelyRocker Thank you for the quick reply! I will think about the best work flow for me to do this. I guess copying the drummer part to a MIDI track while muting (and preserving) the original drummer track could be the way to go 😊
Yes. Push the editing with drummer as far as you can take it and then flip it to midi for the final customization. That's what I do. I keep the original drummer track muted but I almost never go back to it. Have fun!!
Wait, the fills all the way to zero doesn’t mean no fills? We should have a button if fills is wanted and maybe some accents to be placed for the crashed etc
Hi Dan, your tutorials rock and the sounds are great. I’m very much in the same boat as a multi instrumentalist engineer etc. I have one conundrum that plagues me; is there a way, with Logic’s drummer to craft a part I already hear in my head without rolling the random dice? This is the only thing that bothers me about Logics drummer. Its like a game of chance and because I’m a dinosaur songwriter musician; I go crazy wading through the randomization when I know what I need. Formerly used EZ Drummer and may go back to that, but I dont want to give up just yet… any clues?
Thanks! Well the point of drummer is it is like a virtual session drummer that you can guide. If you’re looking to compose a drum part need to do it from scratch. Try this. Tap out a beat that you here in your head and get the idea together. Then get the drummer to follow your drum part. You need to tweak the complexity slider to home in but you may get some interesting results that way. Good luck!
The 1 thing and probably the only thing I don’t like about drummer is that it’s too many crash cymbals (I can’t get rid of them) another thing is you can turn the regions to midi to take out what you don’t want (I just don’t know how to reverse it back out of midi) WELP at around 20m in you spoke on it ! So there we have it lol hahaha good job. I didn’t know about the step editor
@@LonelyRocker 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this video def helped b/c then symbols crashes were killing me! I’ve had logic for years and had purchased addictive drums! Had no idea logic had its own drummer till this year of 2023 🤦🏾♂️
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I tend to use Logic drummer without fills, cut where I want fills, go to Logic loops for fills and slot them in. If fills are not quite right I alter them in piano roll.
Interesting technique....
But do your fill samples have the same sound?
@@RayyMusik I've found Logic matches the project sounds not the loop sound. If you use live recorded loops with effects inbedded they can be tricky. Logic drummer uses midi as you may know so midi loops are best. I find it takes too much time fidling with logic drummer to fine tune it, so I just get it roughly right.
Thank You for the tip 🫶🏾🍻
I randomly clicked on this for the drums and found you slaying the bass with some stank on it… nicely done all around
Ha! Glad you found it and enjoyed it. Thanks so much!
Where have you been in my life…I’ve been searching for a realistic and flexible drumming solution - you’ve delivered it here in spades! Your solution and your thorough explanations are nothing short of spectacular. New sub - can’t wait to dive into more of your treasures. Thanks.
Wow! thanks so much! Appreciate it! I have lots of stuff. Enjoy the deep dive and I look forward to reading more comments from you!
Thanks for the tips. Will definitely use them with my other things.
My pleasure!! Have fun with it!
I’ve been doing what you do for a while now, but not beyond chopping parts smaller than a verse or chorus, and not using the step editor. I’ll have to try your techniques. Good video.
Thnx. Hope you push those drum tracks to the next level!
Excellent handle on how to harness Drummer! Kudos! Thank you!
I’m in the exact boat! Home solo musician who plays bass, guitar, piano and drums. I even bought and expanded an e drum kit. After 4 years I’m just not cutting it on them. Enter logic drummer! I replace the drum plugin and pipe it into Superior Drummer’s area 33. Sounds good, but lacking that human touch.
Thanks for the tips!!
It's my pleasure to help a fellow Lonely Rocker!!!
Sick bassline man. I'm embarking on my own solo project too. This is very useful and reminds me to dive deep into the actual work. Thanks!
Thanks so much! Good luck with your project!
@@LonelyRocker Love your bass tone. You have a vid on that? thankx
@eflatmin7 thanks. I get it a few ways but check this. Great BASS TONE Was Lurking in the BASSMENT!
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damn that bass tone is FIRE ma dude
Thank you!!! I had fun with that :)
Great video. The most creative use of Logic Drummer that I've seen on TH-cam so far. This is a really deep and advanced subject involving serious understanding of drum grooves, rhythmic patterns, dynamics, etc. and editing in Logic tracks and also MIDI. I'm a long way from that level, but you've really shown me where you can take it.
Glad you enjoyed it! And so happy you found it helpful. It's good to know what's possible so you can set goals....Cheers!
I create a track using a drum rhythm sample that I like. I then create a groove track using the sample track. I then set drummer to follow the drum track, then mute the sample track. You can get some amazing results
I’ve actually tried that with mixed results but it’s a good way to try and find a different feel for sure….nice tip!
Great tips, particularly second half using grid editor.
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful!
That's a pretty great tutorial, man. Tha bass line in the first section is a total feature part, don't hide it.
Thank you so much! Really appreciate that. Even though I’m a guitar player I love playing bass. Drummer has been updated in the newer versions of Logic. I should consider doing an update soon. Cheers!
I’ve been using Logic for many years and your process for editing Drummer is almost identical to mine.
I had the same issues with drum fills. Logic automatically plays fills at the end of a bar in relation to the assigned time signature, not the length of the selected region. So after making cuts the drummer still caters it’s fills at the end of the bar and not where we want it.
I usually find that dialing the fill level down instead of up helps find an appropriate flow and keeping it minimalistic makes editing in midi easier.
Once your happy with your drums you can easily bounce the midi file into individual audio tracks for every drum for better mixing.
My favorite lazy trick…. If you have EZ Mix 2, put “Master 2” on the end of your drummer track and it sounds amazing with one click!!
Nice! Yes, it can be finicky. I play with the fill level, intensity and complexity until it starts to work. And for mixing, I do that too. I didn't get into mixing in this video but I split them out as well and mix it properly as if they were real drums. I've never tied EZ Mix...maybe I should... :)))))
What a brilliant tutorial! I use drummer a lot, different genre but this has taught be so much! Thank you
Thank you! Happy this helped you. Thanks for sharing some positive vibes
Thanks so much, game changer for me this video!
You're welcome! Glad you found it helpful...
Very helpful. Thank you!
You're welcome! Thanks for checking it out!
Super helpful, I somehow managed these exact steps a month ago with my last release and wasn’t sure what I did ended up frustrated this weekend trying to use drummer on another song. I’ll be approaching it again with the splicing, edit and midi clean up in mind. Thx u! new to ur channel, another solo rocker here, will be checking ur vids! Keep rocking!
Glad it helped! Awesome to have another Lonely Rocker here. Look forward to hearing from you again!
Fantastic video thank you! I've used Sup Drummer 3 for years and I'm still fairly new to Logic. This video has truly inspired me to utilize the power and creativity that Logic Drummer has to offer. Well done!
My pleasure!! So glad you found it helpful. Thanks for your kind words!
I love logic’s FET Live Drums setting on the logic compressor. It sounds great out of the box.
Some nice kits in there for sure....
The best tutorial of Drummer that I’ve found 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!
I just watched a man make a sick drum track in like 10 minutes. Very cool
Ha! Glad you enjoyed that! ;)
That is incredible. I'm new to Logic and this just opened it up for miles and miles. Wow...thank you!
Awesome! Enjoy the ride! And glad I could help 🤘🏽🎸
Something else you can do is add reverb. You also get some cool free plugins with the new UA volt audio interfaces and also focusrite Scarlett and other models.
This video help me a lot, Thank you! Sadly, now the new Logic pro , step editor is no longer work for drummer anymore.
The best tutorial I`ve seen with drummer!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video on how to get the most out of Logic Drummer. I have been using it since it came out and use some of the same techniques you do. When it comes to using other Drum instruments (like you did with EZ drummer), I have found mapping the drums correctly to be a real pain. Some drum apps have a Logic Map, but others don't. In those cases, I have to create the map which is very time consuming and prone to error. How do you handle mapping between drum apps? I would love to find some place where I could get accurate Logic Drum maps for all the major third party drum apps like Superior Drummer, Steve Slate Drums, Addictive Drums, etc. Do you know how I could go about doing that? Thanks much! Loving the Lonely Rock schtick!
Sometimes if necessary, I will convert a section to midi region and use the piano roll to perfectly place hits right where they need to be.
Exactly...I do that all the time!
I love this video. Helps a lot. Thank you for sharing your workflow and opening up a new world of possibilities to me.
Absolutely my pleasure. Glad this helps you.
That bass sounded great.
Thank you!
Thx! Learnt a few more things about DRUMMER!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic video! As someone who's programmed a bunch of different hardware and software drum machines over the years, it blows my mind how much quicker and easier and more human sounding Logic's Drummer is. So good.
Thanks so much! And I agree. I think drummer is the main reason I stay on Logic 😜
@@LonelyRocker the more I've been using this technique the closer I can get to the drums I hear in my head. One thing, though: I can't seem to replicate what you do at 17:51. When I select a Drummer region, the Step Editor option under the Windows menu is grayed out. Step Editor only seems to be an option when I select a midi region, not a Drummer region. Any idea?
Man, what a great presentation; really inspiring!!!
Thank you so much!!!!
Thanks for creating this video. You are sharing some wonderful tips! Logic Drummer is very cool. I'm hoping its algorithms will be improved upon in future Logic versions. An additional tip I can offer for others - if you want to quickly hear another pattern without adjusting any parameters just right-click on the region and select "refresh region". A new phrase will be created with the same dynamics.
Oh, thank you so much! And thanks for providing an additional tip!! Very useful....
Another first rate video from the lonely Rocker. This guy really knows his stuff. Please keep these great videos coming. Look forward to the next subject.
Thanks kind stranger. Your positivity drives me to make great content. More coming your way! ;)
Awesome video dude! Please keep making more videos about using logic drummer for human music, I’ll watch them all!
Glad you enjoyed it! I’ll see if I have any other angles for this ;)
Amazing ideas on Drummer, thanks!💎
My pleasure!
Didn’t realize you could influence the electronic drummer in this way to get a more realistic sound but your tips although take a little work sound well worth it.
Nothing good is easy! Glad you found this helpful. Thanks!!
Great video. Easy to follow along. Thanks 🙏
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Man, this is brilliant. Thank you!
You're very welcome! And thanks so much!
Great tips..Tthank you very much! Cheers from Brazil!
My pleasure!!! I've been to Brazil once...I have family there. Cheers from Canada!
@@LonelyRocker Cool! Wish you all the best!
@@rodrigovazquezoficialCheers to you!
Forgot to mention the great playing!! (Most important part of making the logic drummer sound good).
Thanks so much!
Excellent video!!
Brilliant tips for drummer .
But how did you get that awesome bass sound?!
Thanks! Check my channel. I have demonstrated the occasional bass tone :) Here's one example: th-cam.com/video/uWMtONSZPmU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZwveXSnzYzSaP6zb
thanks for your great suggestions, you opened a limit for me that I could not overcome. Now I understand how to do it
My pleasure!
Very inspirational! Thanks for taking the time to help others.
My pleasure! And thank you for your kind words.
This was a really good video on how to get a lot out of Logic drummer. I'm mostly a Studio One guy, but you could almost vidicate buying Logic just for the drummer program. I was using Jamstix, but they have not updated the Mac program in a long, long, time. Maybe it's because of Logic drummer.
Thank you. It was actually suggested I try Jamstix as an alternative. Too bad they are not updating it. But tough to beat what Drummer offers....
Lonely Rocker , same here. A Studio One user who is seriously considering change horses because of drummer. Excelent video 👏👏👏🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Whoa 😮😮😮😮😮the step editor is key. Thanks for showing us that.
My pleasure but sadly the step editor was removed for Drummer in more recent versions of Logic. Not sure why!!! But moving the tracks to the piano roll is the way to finish it anyways....
@@LonelyRocker
I wanna know what's in the signal chain of that Bass Guitar! Sounds great!
Thanks. Might have been early days from this - Great BASS TONE Was Lurking in the BASSMENT!
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Your production skills are ridiculously good. Subcribed.
Wow. Thank you so much. Awesome to have you here!!
What a great gem on YT - Thank You !! Never thought to chop drummer that extensively and export to Midi. That inspires big time. Need to convince my 13 year old son now to divert from German Rap to a proper rock song 😄. At least for one lol.
Thank you so much!!!! Glad you found this helpful. Yes, keeping the kids on track is a challenge. I got to mine early trying to inspire them with the value of practise and great rock and roll. They bought in early but influences from friends and what they hear at school is a formidable force!!! They now like "both" ....arggghhh!
Do you know what the pull and push options are doing ? Thanks great video.
Thanks! Yes, just like a real drummer you push ahead of the tempo or pull behind...it's a feel thing...
awesome video! answered so many questions I have!
Thanks! So glad it helped you!
Really helpful! BTW you must love 10.8 where you can use EZ Drums (or SD) as your drum set from the get go!
Glad you enjoyed it. I still work the old way 😂😂
hi. Nice mate. Another really cool sound is to bounce out just the snare and the kick drum and then heavily tune them to the key of the song.and blend them back in
Ooooh. Nice tip! Thanks for that!
Also note that moving the fill dial and then moving it back to the same place creates a new variation, I’ve had near perfect moments lost by slightly bumping it😳
Yes. Drummer is designed around the edit points. Best to make all of the edits first, get those working and then tweak the performance. NEVER get attached to anything until you have followed that order. The attempt at making drummer more “human” also makes it more unpredictable. That’s just how it is….
Wwoh absolutely greatt learning. Wiith tthiis u took me frm a noob to ultimate pro level in Logic Pro. Thnks a lot. Pliz keep making more videos.
New subscriber here. 🔥♥️
Much appreciated! Thank you! I’m dropping videos weekly. Thanks for joining!
Nice one, I found it interesting doing it this and even more inspiring watching your video
Thanks so much! Very much appreciated. 🤘🏽🎸😎
Hey Lonely Rocker, that was an excellent tutorial !!! It is extremely similar to the way I do Drums in LPX, I have literally tried every drum plugin known to man; just wanted to give you an FYI that I discovered and I never saw on any tutorials; you can load a drummer track with regions and then literally "reset channel strip" and then load BFD, EZ Drummer or Kontakt on the same track and still have the full functionality of a "drummer" track (auto fills, swing, etc) on your preferred drum samples, of course in the end you will convert to MIDI for scalpel editing, but my approach gives you a better representation before converting to MIDI :)
Awesome...thank you. Glad you enjoyed that. Yours is a neat tip too. I do A LOT of editing in the piano roll to really customize it and now in LPX you can't use the step editor anymore to edit the Drummer track. Not sure why they took that feature away. I find no matter what I do I can't get it perfect with just drummer. It gets me maybe 70-80% of the way there and then I do deep editing in MIDI to take it up one more notch. Thanks for checking this out!
@@LonelyRocker I forgot this last issue in LPX, when converting "Drummer" tracks to MIDI, you will notice that that the HIHats of Notes with the same MIDI velocity can sound totally different and drive you crazy... there is a hidden value (in the event list) of the "articulation" this value basically sets which Hihat sample is played, drove me nuts, I once had closed hihHats that all sounded like open hats due to a different "articulation" when drummer converted to MIDI
Nice vid! Thanks for sharing!
Is there any way to mute the crash on a break?
Not yours specifically, in general…
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it! There may be a way to automate the levels in midi but that’s too much brain work for me. Move the crash to its own track and automate the volume. That’d do it.
@@LonelyRocker thank you!
I was already following the first part (cutting up drummer pattens to have better breaks and fills) but I understand the need to go a step further. Maybe I’ll just add a parallel midi drum track with the same setup for the destructive editing and keep as much of drummer editable as possible. But it shows… more effort reaps deeper results.
Keep pushing it for even better results!!
Thank you sir, very helpfull video !
My pleasure!
Excellent vid amigo
Thanks so much!
Thank you, that hit the spot like a cold beer.
Ha! You are most welcome...Thanks for your time.
Great video! I’ve been trying to get Drummer to hit a crash on the and of 4 for weeks, but it kept defaulting to hitting it on 1. Thanks for making this! It really takes Drummer to the next level, which can take a song to the next level. I’ll be checking out more videos!
Awesome! Glad this helped. Hope to hear from you on another video!
Do your cymbals seperately on a different track with any samples. Pull your drummer track down to a midi file. Then just move it where ever you want. Simple
Your programming skills are excellent, my only suggestion would be detune the snare a bit so it has a bit more thud and less crack. Mer de Noms by APC has a perfect drum sound, so natural and under compressed.
Thnx! Yeah, on a full mix I pay closer attention to the sounds. As I stated this about the performance. But good tip!
Very nicely presented video, gives a lot of inspiration. I will try this method out. Just got Bob Rock's drum pack for EZdrummer so that will be a blast! Subscribed!
Thanks so much. Glad it helped! Happy to have you here!
Super helpful video. Is it necessary to do any MIDI remapping between Logic Drummer and EZDrummer?
Glad it helped! An no. Logic Drummer and EZ Drummer don’t talk to each other. Once you flip it to the piano roll it maps seamlessly. But you can tweak that too if you want. But it’s easier to change the drums within EZ Drummer. Hope that helps!
Hello, very helpful video. I can't seem to open the step editor on the virtual drummer track. When I do, it's blank and does not show any of the drum hits. Has something changed? Any help appreciated. thanks
Yes. If you fish through the comments this has been asked numerous times. For some reason this feature has been disabled since the version I used here. Not sure why. But still follow my steps and save the fine tuning for the piano roll stage. Still works great.
Thank you for this thoughtful video.Cool presentation !..I'm after that 'heft' a live drummer gives , not necessarily heavy but very spirited 'heft'.Ha.That's the only way I can describe it.Loved that bass line too !!Lots of fun
Thanks so much for your thoughts! Glad you enjoyed it.
amazing vid, great stuff. however when i go to open step editor its greyed out for drummer regions. it worls for MIDI regions. how are you opening it for drummer regions? cheers.
Thanks! Yeah, a lot of people have asked about this. Logic removed this option since the version I was using to make this video. No idea why. BUT, you can follow all of my steps and make the fine tune adjustments in the piano roll. Just get it as tight as you can before moving onto that stage. I'm doing that now nad still getting great results...
Great composition👏👏👏
Thanks!!
Great job! You opened the doors of my imagination with your talent. Thanks a lot.
My pleasure 😊 Glad you found this useful. Thank you....
Thanks for this video. Very helpful.
My pleasure!!
Excellent tutorial! Thank you so much for creating and sharing this! One question: When you bring up the Step Editor around 17:52, is there something I might be missing if the step editor menu option is grayed out when I select a drummer region and try to access it? I have advanced settings turned on, just having a hard time getting the step editor to display. Thanks.
Thank you and my pleasure!!! I've had a few people commenting about the same problem. Are you on the latest version of Logic? I haven't upgraded because I'm planning to buy a new Mac soon. I'd like to figure this out.
Yeah, I'm on 10.7.2 and just discovered that the only way to make the step editor work is to first convert the drummer region to a midi region. It then allows you make the edits, but loses them if you need to convert back to a drummer region. Ah well, I was really excited to be able to go in and make a few minor adjustments, but looks like they have to be done in midi regions without the possibility of reverting back to drummer. Thanks again for a great tutorials!
@@GregLinhares I wonder if that’s a bug. Why would they pull that feature? Regardless. Everything still applies. Make as many edits as you can to get it close. You can be just as effective making these changes in the piano roll. Once I convert I never go back anyways but I always retain a copy of the drummer track in case I want to grab anything from it.
@@LonelyRocker Perhaps it is a bug. I completely understand the point of no return in this workflow and I love it. However, I also really love the idea of being able to make some subtle adjustments in the step editor prior to committing the the next phase. I'd really love to be able to add a few simple edits while still being able to adjust the drummer settings before converting to midi, but looks like that option is no longer available. I'll just have to adjust as close as possible and then convert to midi to make any minor adjustments for now. Thanks again!
Yep. Didn't know you could use step editor for a drummer region, and experimenting... but no, it DOES appear that if one was able to use Step Editor, that cannot now be done. Have no idea why this would have been removed, but definitely looks like it. Shame.
Brings me to a thought I have had for some time. It's a shame that Apple haven't expanded on Drummer since they added the Percussion players, a while back. Could have been a great idea if they had opened up the API to 3rd parties so that others could create new drummers, as it looks like Apple are not going to. Would have been great to have a Reggae Drummer group, or a Latin drummer, or other styles.
Great tutorial! We had developed a similar workflow but you added the idea of cutting up the regions and applying different fill settings before converting to midi. Couple points... in converting between drum programs how did you handle the different formats used? I think drummer defaults too GM. We'd like to import the midi to the Abbey Road kits in Kontakt. Also, I was unable to open the Step Editor for the drummer regions, only midi worked. Running version 10.5.1 of Logic. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Truth is I'm not a power midi user. 99% of my midi work is what you see in this video. Occasionally I'll lay some keyboards down but not often. Once the performance is on a software track it should apply to any VST. Sometimes you may need to reassign the instruments but midi is generally mindless within the DAW. If Kontakt works as a VST on a track you should simply be able to drag the midi onto the Kontakt track. You can also export any midi track in your projects to an external midi file that you can then import into any other application. You access that from the file menu with the track highlighted. As for the Step editor I just open the Step Editor and highlight the track I want to edit and it works. I've seen others asking about this. For some it's greyed out. I'm not sure why. I can't replicate this issue.
Awesome,im also a multi instrumentalist, but don't have drums at the moment..So thank you very much for explaining how to do it , you gave me what I needed and opened up more ideas God bless subscribed for sure!
My pleasure!! Happy to help and so happy to have you here!
Even though it takes lots of practice like everything in music, it looks extremely user friendly
It's a feature not present in other DAWs so it really is a great tool if you need to create more realistic drums...
Awesome! Man you play great bass...
Thanks so much!!!!
great song and lead
Thank so much!
Hey I really loved this video! Many useful tips. I wasn't able to view my drummer region in the step editor. It was greyed out. I think Im missing a step. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful! Yes, for some reason Logic took this feature away in the latest release. I was using an older version of Logic for this video but have since upgraded. It's OK. Follow all of the steps and just make all of those finer changes once you've moved the whole thing to the piano roll. Works just as well and it's actually one less step. Good luck!
@@LonelyRocker oh thanks so much for your reply!! Keep rockin brother 😎✌️
My pleasure and thanks!
Thanks so much for making this. Helps me out a ton! 🙌🏼
Happy to help!
amazing, thanks for sharing ✨🙌🏻
Thanks so much and happy to share!
Nice job - thank you for the tips 👍🏻
My pleasure! Thanks!
Thanks great tutorial
My pleasure. And thank you!
Thanks for making this kind of videos!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Great job and tutorial, thank you. Do you then take your piano roll midi and separate each instrument for processing and further mixing (i.e. snare, overheads, kick to specific routing)? I'm experimenting with Drummer Producer kit
My pleasure and thanks! And yes, I often separate events and mix each element separately for full productions. If you want a real custom effect.
@@LonelyRocker Thank you and good to know!
Totally worthy ❤Subscribed!!! Love it.
Welcome aboard! And thanks so much!
Thank so much for this!
You're so welcome!
Well done man 👏🏼
Thank you 🙌
Hi, hope you are very well. I was wondering how you can use step editor with Logic's Drummer, because Step Editor is Only for midi. I have been trying to do what you have done in the video with the step editor and all my attempts have been unsuccessful. The Step Editor always appears gray.
I have selected the small regions as you show in the video but it does not allow me. I'm on version 10.5.1 of Logic
Yes, this has been a common comment. When I made this video, the version of Logic I was using allowed you to edit Drummer in the step editor. I wasn
t aware Apple removed that feature in the update. But not to worry. Follow every step in the video as I described and then save those finer tweaks for the piano roll stage. I often do it that way anyways. The key is still to make as many edits as you can while in drummer and have the performance very close before you bounce it to midi. Hope this helps!!!
Excellent tutorial!
Glad you liked it! Cheers!
nice video! how do you open step editor for a drum region? mine is greyed out for drums... only for midi is lighted
Thanks! Yeah, since this was video was done they removed the option to edit Drummer in the step editor. But not to worry. I just edit the drums as tight as I can and then flip it to the piano roll and make the tweaks there. I actually don't miss that step editor anymore....
@@LonelyRocker thanks for answer. my piano roll is also greyed out for drum region. althou it's synced and sounds when i press, but no events, no edits. for MIDI regions - it works, for drum region - no... i'd like to stay in a drummer mode - because of that feeling of a live drummer, that Logic's AI provide ) love it much!
Great tutorial, thanks for posting! Subbed 👍
Awesome, thank you!
I notice a lot of people using logic drummer but they seem to always want to use different kits that aren't the stock drums. Do most people not like those drum kits? They feel more natural to me than a lot of the stuff I hear from the other drum packs like EZ drummer etc. Can Logic's kits not be processed to have those tones or do they just suck?
They are actually quite good but some drum packages offer more variety and tweaking. It’s all taste but nothing wrong at all with the logic kits.
@@LonelyRocker 👍🏻
Thanks sooooo..much! excellent tutorial ! 👍
Thanks! Glad it helped! 🤟🏼😎🎸
Fantastic thank you! I love Drummer and expect Apple will someday soon allow for custom kits (i.e. more Toms or double bass) with libraries. Drummer is always better than a real human drummer because you don’t have to deal with his girlfriend…Tiffany. lol
Ha!! That's hilarious and so true. The other benefit is drummer doesn't slow down! :))))))
@@LonelyRocker I changed the drum machine mapping from “General” to V-Drum and it plays Maschine Kits even better!
you can just insert an instance of Superior Drummer on a Drummer track and play with great samples
You can route the logic drummer into other drum machines!!
@@gonebymidnight2881 Superior Drummer is so pricey though ... and it's such a large amount of data to store if you want the full library. Is it worth it?
36 seconds in and I’ve already subscribed.
Damn! I need to work harder. I should have had you by 18 seconds! Ha, kidding. Awesome to have you here. Thank you!
Great video! One thing, Step editor is greyed out when I have a drummer track selected. I have a new install of Logic on a new computer and can't see any way to get into the step editor without converting to midi... I'm wondering if they removed this or I'm just doing something wrong.
Thanks! No you’re not doing anything wrong. Logic has since removed Drummer access to the step editor. No idea why. But you can just save the fine editing for the piano roll. Works just as well. I’m doing it that way now.
@@LonelyRocker Hmmm, that's interesting. I had tried the piano roll, and I can see the names of the drums along the left margin, but no notes are visible. I had another look with no luck. I wonder if that ability has been removed too in a point update? I'm on 10.7.7.
No it’s there. I use it everyday. You have to copy the drummer track to a midi track first. I demonstrate that in the video. Then clicking on each segment you will see the events in the piano roll.
@@LonelyRocker Ah thanks, I missed that step, will watch again
Great video! However, on my Logic Pro 10.7.7, the step editor menu option is disabled, when selecting a drummer track. Any idea why? 🙂
Thank you! And Yes. A lot have asked about this. Apple removed this feature in the version after the one in this video. I don’t know why but not to fear. All the steps apply. Just reserve the fine tweaking for the piano roll stage. Still works very well.
@@LonelyRocker Thank you for the quick reply! I will think about the best work flow for me to do this. I guess copying the drummer part to a MIDI track while muting (and preserving) the original drummer track could be the way to go 😊
Yes. Push the editing with drummer as far as you can take it and then flip it to midi for the final customization. That's what I do. I keep the original drummer track muted but I almost never go back to it. Have fun!!
Wait, the fills all the way to zero doesn’t mean no fills? We should have a button if fills is wanted and maybe some accents to be placed for the crashed etc
Yes. Fills all the way to zero means no fills. I missed and it wasn’t quite at zero so a fill snuck in there. 😜
Hi Dan, your tutorials rock and the sounds are great. I’m very much in the same boat as a multi instrumentalist engineer etc.
I have one conundrum that plagues me; is there a way, with Logic’s drummer to craft a part I already hear in my head without rolling the random dice?
This is the only thing that bothers me about Logics drummer. Its like a game of chance and because I’m a dinosaur songwriter musician; I go crazy wading through the randomization when I know what I need. Formerly used EZ Drummer and may go back to that, but I dont want to give up just yet… any clues?
Thanks! Well the point of drummer is it is like a virtual session drummer that you can guide. If you’re looking to compose a drum part need to do it from scratch. Try this. Tap out a beat that you here in your head and get the idea together. Then get the drummer to follow your drum part. You need to tweak the complexity slider to home in but you may get some interesting results that way. Good luck!
The 1 thing and probably the only thing I don’t like about drummer is that it’s too many crash cymbals (I can’t get rid of them) another thing is you can turn the regions to midi to take out what you don’t want (I just don’t know how to reverse it back out of midi) WELP at around 20m in you spoke on it ! So there we have it lol hahaha good job. I didn’t know about the step editor
Hope you love drummer now 😂😂😂
@@LonelyRocker 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this video def helped b/c then symbols crashes were killing me! I’ve had logic for years and had purchased addictive drums! Had no idea logic had its own drummer till this year of 2023 🤦🏾♂️
@@jKHAHN215PA Ha! Glad I could enlighten you 😎🎸👍🏻