Why Is There No E in the A-F Grading Scale?
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Some schools do hand out E letter grades instead of an F, but they are in the minority. A majority of schools in the United States, particularly beyond primary age, give grades of A, B, C, D, or F.
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Today I Found Out I’m Australian but in 2001 I think, in public schools they got rid of F and replaced it with E because telling kids that they failed is considered traumatic 🤣
Simon taking a hit for the team by wearing the same socks for days
@itsasin1969 When you say "obviously" it's obvious you have nothing to support your "everybody knows" styled claim. Offer something up.
Great video as always, I've got a question for you as well. When did men begin kneeling when asking for someone's hand in marriage?
Always just assumed the "E" would not be ideal in that an "F" could be way too easily modified to look like an "E."
Thats a good point, I didn’t think about that!
But would the F not be necessary if we used an E
@@kev1nno Here in Hungary we have five grades:
5 (the best)
4
3
2
1 (failing grade)
And, when my grandpa was in school, it looked like this:
1 (the best)
2
3
4
5 (failing grade)
Ádám Osbáth
In the higher classes in Germany it is:
00 (failed)
01(failed)
02 (failed)
03 (failed)
04 (failed)
05
[…]
14
15 (the best)
@@ASMRJey But 04 is already failed aswell.
Is no one gonna mention the genius who put the letter “S” in tier lists higher than the letter “A”?
Japan be like
maya yaser or super
Isnt that like supreme
maham :] what grade are you in
Isn’t that like special
Told my teacher I did not think I deserved an "F"
Said neither did she but it was the lowest grade she could give.
Here in the UK we have a lower U grade, that stands for "Unmarkable", meaning that the exam doesn't even count as a qualification at all.
I* told
She* said
Savage
F was always a fail.
In the school system I was in from 4-8, an "E" was in there as Excellent and was the highest grade.
You know what, I think that I had this in elementary school for a couple of years and I forgot.
Was it a Montessori school?
Same
I remember getting E on some stuff in elementary.
We had a merit system in our school for having an above excellent attitude to all things school related where a D meant the best, as in a Distinction, it was very weird (I never received a D Merit myself 😬)
The school wants you to know that you failed so badly, that they skip an entire letter
teacher tells class: more than half of you will fail this course.
student: so you're telling us, you're bad at your job?
In my high school we have a geo/alg2/trig/precal honors class in my school. The teach on the first day said a significant amount of the class would fail, and she was right! She was an excellent teacher and I did relatively well, but the course was ridiculously hard. Not the teachers fault
That's when you drop the class and find another teacher
Nikola Dietmar Krapp that’s literally one of the kids in my class!
iWonderHistory if she was an excellent teacher why did half the class fail? We’re all of them terrible? If so why were they in such a hard class if they couldn’t handle it? Why didn’t she try to give extra help if something wasn’t understood?
@@tuatarian6591 RIP once you get to college. You'll learn the red flags about professors, and TC commented the biggest one.
Anybody have these in primary grades?
G: Good
S: Satisfactory
N: Needs Improvement
P: Poor
The German system looks kinda similar:
1: sehr gut
2: gut
3: befriedigend
4: ausreichend
5: mangelhaft
6: ungenügend
which roughly translates to:
1: very good
2: good
3: satisfactory
4: sufficient
5: deficient
6: insufficient
These were only ever used to discuss personality in the classroom. Did Timmy talk to much today yes so he gets an N and untill he learns to listen it will stay that way. Oh Brenda you haven't raised your hand in the last 3 days I'm going to have to give you a p to make sure your parents get you a tutor. 😤 I hated that. I'd get the why do you have 4 failing grades talk. I didn't fail my teacher just didn't like that i used mechanical pencils and refused to call on me cause I always knew the answer.
In behavior
yup
Yes, except instead of G for Good it was O for Outstanding!
"That's what pockets are for!"
*every female viewer screams with rage*
I do admire this. Unlike other channels the actual answer is given in the first minute or so for the impatient community with the details following for those interested
John Doherty and because of that I always watch the whole thing, that mad for Bonus Facts.
John Doherty i was just about to comment this, quality content indeed
Impatient=Not liking our time wasted
If you're watching TH-cam, you have time to waste/spend.. (Like the fellow who speeds home in his car to save time, and then watches some tv.)
@@draugami how is learning stuff wasting time ?
For one hilariously stupid year, my elementary school awarded only two grades:
As Expected
Other Than Expected
Several of you have already spotted the multiple problems.
So there’s no difference between under grade expectations and over grade expectations? What even are the expectations anyway? State standards?
My best guess here is that it’s just a stupid way of saying pass/fail, perhaps with the misguided expectation that the school “expects” its students to pass. Even if that is the case, it’s an incredibly stupid implementation.
Mediocre. As expected. We didn't think much of Johnny. Rightly so. Sigh.
Vgamer311 Another issue is that if the teacher has lower expectations, and the student gets high marks, that would be “other than expected’, and you’d assume “other than expected” means they got low scores. So the children who actually excelled wouldn’t pass. I hope I explained that well, I didn’t know how to word it properly. All around it’s a horribly bad system.
Heysauce Mikehere like I said, I’d assume that the intended understanding would be that the school “expects” its students to do well. Of course, the lack of clarity itself is a pretty big problem, but I don’t foresee a student failing because they did too well. It’s just a stupid rewording of a pass/fail system.
here in Australia we drop the ‘F’ and have an ‘E’ so the scale is A, B, C, D, E
We had N/A too for Non-Attempt.
It does vary a bit, according to state or school in Australia, and some schools use different systems.
It depends on the school district in the United States as I grew up with that scale, mostly.
When I was in school in Michigan we had that grading scale.
In Queensland high school it was VHA, HA, SA, LA, VLA - (Very) High Achievement, Sound Achievement, (Very) Low (or Limited) Achievement.
When I was in elementary school, we had 3 grades: "E" for Excellent "S(+/-)" for Satisfactory, "N" for Needs Improvement
Had "I" for Improvement needed.
Same
"Let's face it, after college no one cares what your grades were anyway"
THANK YOU!
Yes, but colleges do, so... And your first employer (at least) will care about your grades in college too. So what is your point? That my grades in HS and college don't matter now that I'm 40 doesn't change the fact that they mattered very much when I was 17 (HS->College), 21 (College->Masters), and 23 (Masters->Job) respectively.
@@BTheBlindRef Exactly. If someone has nothing relevant to put on a resume except their college education, that GPA is suddenly going to become an important factor to potential employers, since they have little else to go on. Once you have solid job experience, no employer will care about old grades.
Colleges care more about money than grades. Grades are just for the poors.
@@BTheBlindRef It's the degree that matters. No employer is hiring a valedictorian gender study student. LMAO!!!! I think Yale has that right? What does that tell you about college nowadays?
Employer: "Oh you went to a very prestigious college! What for?"
Student: "Gender studies."
Employer: "..."
LOL.
CybZer0 .......But you need the grades to get the degree.....
In 5th grade, I assumed they stood for something:
A: Advanced
B: Basic
C: Childish
D: Dumbass
F: Failure
E: Epic Failure?
c d and f are my dad's nicknames for me
Mark plied E
@@tiwn-kzne-ryo8597 lmao
Advanced
Basic
Childish
Dumbass
Fucking Dumbass
TLDW - “E”for fail was confused with excellence so they changed it to an “F”.
Your welcome
"you're"
@@thealaskapicker8628 🤮
You didn't help and just showed you're kinda a douche
thanks. he spoke too fast with to much information so I basically retained not much lol.
You're*
And you're not helpful.
I remember the first time I used a scantron sheet. I’d just changed high schools, school districts, provinces, all that. My old high school never used them. I was handed a scantron sheet in my new high school with no explanation, as apparently they’d been in use for long enough that everyone understood what was going on and didn’t think to explain it to me. I circled my answers instead of filling the bubbles in. My teacher thought I was messing with her. When she realized I wasn’t, she realized I had a lot more catching up to do than just in the curriculum. Lol
My mums grading system:
A- pass
B- death by sandal/belt
Maybe stick
My mom wasn't anything like that. She told me to wait til dad got home, and then he did the belting
@@junkiejackflash I thought was bout to have to r/woosh
How about C?
That's my parents too! Under a 90% and I got grounded
In Elementary school "E" was used for "Excellent", the equivalent of "A".
E, vg, g, s, ni.
Yeah we used E instead of A, S (Satisfactory) instead of B, U for C (unsatisfactory), and N (Need Improvement) for failing, can't remember what the other one was, and also for some reason they changed E to F(Fantastic) at a later point.
We had E, M, N, B
E- Excelled
M- Met
N- Near
B- Below
My elementary school didn't even use letter grades I was instead given number grades. The letter grades weren't introduced until middle school.
Unicorn Lady (formerly archiecook55) yea, public schools do that now
Me who lives in a country that doesn't use A-F grading
"Ah yes i absolutely need to know this"
I love that Simon gets to the basic answer within the first minute, and THEN educates us and expands upon the topic.
I was thinking exactly the same at the beginning of the video. So many videos out there with fluff and half the time after I'm done watching them, I have to go back to see if I missed the point. But in actuality, they beat around the bush so much that the content creator either forgot to make their point entirely or never had one to begin with.
@@devilsadvocate1436
I'm guessing you've watched Ridddle and Infographics. 🥱
Don't feel depressed when you got F, the teachers are just paying respect to your grades.
Edit: Might just become a savior of the world lol.
You enlightened me my friend
Big brain
The teachers know your depressed on your score and they are paying respects, so they will start teaching you better
Your pfp fits this comment
in my country instead of f we get e
My country uses number scale system where "1" is "unsatisfactory" and "5" is "perfect"
FYI- I live in Croatia
Same in Portugal, from elementary to middle school we use 1 to 5. In high school grades go from 1 to 20, with 20 being the highest grade.
My country uses a system where 4 is failing and 10 is the best you can get. It makes sense in my opinion.
In finland the 4 is zero and 10 is perfect
@@frog-bn5ff Wouldn't it make more sence to go from 1 to 6?
@@frog-bn5ff why? It makes perfect sense. You need at least half to pass and it gives enough precision in grading.
This was actually exactly what I thought, that F was just for "Failure," and was considered separate. Another reason why E might have been dropped is that on that alternate grading scale you mentioned where "U" is Unsatisfactory, they often use "E" for Excellent and it's actually a good grade, like I remember in Elementary School. So in situations where the two grading scales are compared, it avoids any overlap.
So interesting! I always assumed that the A-F scale was the same as the 1-6 scale where I live with A equivalent to 1, B to 2 and so forth, I didn't know there were actually only 5 grades!
My school doesn’t have F’s, E’s are the worst we can get
Same
Me too
Is it that hard to watch 20 seconds of a video before commenting? He said at 0:19 that some schools do have E instead of F.
Same
In my school the worst is a U
He's got a voice where he could tell me anything and I would believe it.
Him: "The sky is green"
Me: hmm, now that you mention it.....
Him: “Humans don’t exist”
Me: hmm, now that you mention it...
Him: “you are gay”
Me: hmm, now that you mention it.....
Yes
Anyone else find his advert it's like he's an 8 year old boy again
We had a system with grades 1-6, 5 and 6 being a fail. For some reason I always thought they would have had E and F as fail grades and just stopped using E because you don't really need two failing grades.
For conduct we used to get grades of E, V, G, S, F and U among other derivatives through the years. (Excellent, Very Good, Good, Satisfactory, Fair and Unsatisfactory.) I think at one time there was N for Needs Improvement and I for Improved. At various times the scale was any 4 to 6 of those.
In the early 90's my primary school used:
E - Excellent
I - Improving
N - Needs work
The grading system is pretty much the same now but just use 1, 2, and 3 instead of letters.
Yeah in elementary school, they had E, I S-satisfactory and N-needs improvement. I remember getting an N in first grade and my grandma threw her chancla at me.
They still do that in Ethiopia
That's so the black kids could pass also.
I’m nine and in k-2 grade it did the same thing
What if you go from an E to an I? I don't think that's improving....
They have grades other than A? -Not according to my father, they don’t. 🤔
My mother felt that
My father was exactly the same, and of course we had the one genius sister who got A in everything. The other 3 of us were constantly being compared to her and asked why we were so stupid. Mind you, we all got As and Bs...but we can't be having those Bs!!
To this day (we're in our 50's now) my sister still apologized to us for our father treating us like that. We've told her to stop apologizing, she didn't do anything wrong... it's not her fault that our father was an asshole. 😕
Terri MacKay Lol That last part made me laugh. I’m in my 50s too. And my father was an asshole too. I thought it was because he was an alcoholic, but once he quit drinking, I discovered that he was still an asshole. Lol But that’s okay. We made our peace before he passed.
@@dafttool You could be describing my father!!
I'm glad you made your peace with your father before he passed away. Our father left Canada to go live in the States when we were adults, and didn't want anything to do with us. Most of the time, we didn't even have a phone number for him. He passed away about 10 years ago, and he robbed us of that chance to make peace and have closure...an asshole right to the end!!
You'd have to try really hard to get a D.
Not all schools use an “F” as fail. When I went to high school in SC, my high school used the “E” for failure. I also went to a private Christian school in NC that used it. “F”s were given on students’ papers, but “E” was for the progress report and regular report cards.
Same here in Mich. Never got an F, got several E's lol
In Elementary School, we got S+, S, S-, U, I The S was for Satisfactory, the U for Unsatisfactory, and the I was for Incomplete.
@@82ndAbnVet in VA we got E's for failing too.
It seems interesting until we realize it is just one small part of how badly organized public education is.
Me: Can I have VSauce?
Mom: We have VSauce at home.
VSauce at home:
Holy shit I just left this comment not realizing
In my high school in North Florida, our grades were 'A' to 'E', the stigma of being given an 'F' was considered too mean or something. I remember this well, as my report card was rich with 'E's
Not to get overly specific, but did you grow up in Jax? I didn't go to high-school here (I'm at UNF). I just think it's cool that someone else in my city is watching him too!
William Brown I’m in Jax and never saw E’s. I once got an NG (Not Graded) Lol. Impressed everyone in class that day, we didn’t know that grade existed.
I live in Jacksonville too...DUUUVAAAAAAAAAAAL
@@fearless4him595 Sad that I'm finally old enough to say "in my day" but in my day, 90s Fletcher Jr./Sr. Highs used 'E's instead of 'F's. We moved to Alan Nease the next county over and I think (but am not sure) they used Es as well.
That's really stupid as it only solves a permanent problem temporarily. The lowest will always be the lowest.
In my high school, we didn't have F in our grading system. E was considered an automatic failing grade (60% or lower).
Reading through the comments though, I vaguely remember getting E for Excellent or P for Proficient in Elementary school.
This was true for my school system as well.
At my college D was a fail. And an E was below failure.
When I was in elementary school in the 80's here in the US, we did have E's instead of F's.
I think they did this because it made more sense, and was perceived as less negative impact for struggling little kids.
Middle and HS had F's though.
I always heard that since lower grade levels use a different system for progress and attendance reports, in which 'E' stands for "exemplary", the E was removed for letter grades to prevent confusion.
In Australian universities the standard grading scale is:
HD (High Distinction): 85-100
D (Distinction): 75-84
C (Credit): 65- 74
P (Pass): 50- 64
F (Fail): 0-49
Getting 50% of the answer right is considered passing?
We don’t have multiple choice exams like other countries have. Only a small portion of our exams will be multiple choice and the majority will be short answer or essay/report depending on the subject type.
Math/science subjects may have negative weighting as well- so if you get the answer wrong rather than missing out on gaining a mark, you are deducted a mark instead.
But yeah, you just need to get 50% essentially to pass. There’s a nifty little saying we have - “P’s get degrees!”
This is the same as Uganda Lol 😂
@@stylesheetra9411 In Australia it does vary according to the course. My teaching course was a fail below 80% for most of the units, and some were simply pass or fail.
@@stylesheetra9411 Too high still. Many of my engineering professors in college aimed for a 50-60% average on exams, so 30% might give you a barely passing grade. That allows a nice spread of grades from the average to top students, which doesn't happen when you have a 75% or 80% average. It also means your grade is based on solid understanding of the material and applying that understanding to unfamiliar problems instead of on not making mistakes on problems that are identical to ones you've seen before.
Or- as we used to say in High School
F- Fabulous
D- Delightful
C- Careless
B- Bad
A- Awful
Dude, straight As.
A- A**
In my school it was:
A- Amazing
B- Better than usual
C- Cool beans 👍🏻 (the thumbs up is included)
D- Did you even try?
F- For fucks sake
Asian Grades
A - Average
B - Bad
C - Can’t Eat Dinner
D - Disowned
F - Family... will kill you to redeem the shame you bought then. In other words, you F*cked.
Then there’s me who has a G+ average.
Jacky Chen if you get a A- and your in a asian family your fucked.
When I was in Elementary School, E was the highest grade as it stood for Excellent, S for Satisfactory then U for Unsatisfactory. I always assumed the skipping of E was to not confuse it with Excellent and the fact that fail starts with F
Same
E, G, S, and U
Excellent
Good
Satisfactory
Unsatisfactory
In Quebec Universities, E grade stands for "Échec", which is a direct translation for "Fail". So we have A to E grades with + and -. But I think numbers would be better grading than letters, as we have a number associated to each letters to be able to calcute average throughout scholarship. Also, Exams grades are given in percentage instead of letter grades, letters are used only for ranking courses. All other types of school in Quebec are graded in percent.
Asian system
A- average
B- below average
C- can't have dinner
D- don't come home
F- find a new family
Thanks, i have never got that much likes!!!! 😨😨 So many likes!!!!
E could be escape
That is stupid
@@SledgerFromTDS. you will get the slipper
@@alonelyz1981 I'm actually not in asia
@@alonelyz1981 I'm in Europe or you can say not
North America, South America, Africa, Asia, Oceania, Antarctica
Grades in New Zealand goes like this:
N: not achieved
A: achieved
M: merit
E: excellence
(Lowest to highest)
Rachel Pan um
random dude precisely, this is in my area of New Zealand (Auckland) I’m not sure about all the other places in New Zealand.
GNAME
In italy we use the simplest method ever. 1 to 10 grade scale with 6 the passing line. In Universities is 1 to 30 with 18 as the passing line
The grading system in Australian universities
HD: High Distinction (above 85%)
D: Distinction (75-84%)
C: Credit (65-74%)
P: Pass (50-64%)
FA/FL/N: Fail (Below 50%)
In my school they had a grade S. Generally reserved for elective classes. I think it meant see the teacher. It was used when it was obvious you were so totally lost you probably needed to drop the class or take some other class first. It was not held against you like a F could be.
In Canada we have A B C+ C C- F I. The I stands for incomplete and is used for your grade until the report card where it is replaced with an F
In my day, only the most cunning and skilled would convert an "E" grade into a "B" grade with a couple of artful strokes. :)
At my school they would give a candy for anybody who would have no "d" or "f" grades and I would fix my f grades to get a candy
F into B isn't very hard for an artist either.
@@casualgamer394 That's why my high school used "NC" for no credit instead of F.
Hydra you’re comment shows how stupid you are, if you give young children a reward for doing good things and punishment for doing bad thing they’ll try to continue doing good. If the school was handing out candies to those with A-C grades and not to those with D and F it was in an effort to reward those who did well, insuring they’d continue to do so and it was also used as incentive for those with Ds and Fs to try harder. I’m sure the students they went to school with did much better academically than the ones you went to school with because they implemented a reward system early on. Candy doesn’t rot you and especially not handing out candy only four times a year.
Yeah. E was for equivalent, or "Best of ability'.
A-Awful
B-Bad
C- *i don’t diddly darn know*
D-Dang! That’s good!
F-FANTASTIC
C = competent
C-crummy
C- cheers
C- cant be assed to write my own comment so I'll just steal someone else's 😏
#Txddyii - LOVE the Ned Flanders reference!
Speaking of technology and reading, I remember a Sci-Fi cartoon series from the 80s, *The Centurions*, that had PSAs after their episodes. One of their PSAs featured the villain of the show discussing why computers couldn't read handwriting. I find this a bit amusing, as technology marches on, so my phone, using Google Lens, can read my cursive with a fair degree of accuracy.
I've been wondering all these for a while now.
I did in fact enjoy the video.
I did in fact smash that Like button. 👍🏾
Some schools in United states in the past used: U (unsatisfactory), N (needs improvement), S (Satisfactory) and E (Excellent)
How to turn E into a decent grade
If I was graded on the % of F's I got I would have got A!!!
Sad
@Bob_simpson *cough*noonecares*cough*
*Gotten
oops
@Do Not Hate Bacon Hairs if you were graded on your understanding of percentages, you would get an E.
I have been wanting to know about the no 2 pencil thing since I was a kid. Thank you!
Really neat info, thanks for sharing!
I didn't know this was a thing. In The Netherlands we usually don't use letters for grades at school. 1 to 10 is the usual scale. Sometimes O (onvoldoende/fail),V (voldoende/pass),G (goed/good) is used.
All European countries except UK usd numeric
Because we are not dumb. How tf can one possibly know an average of letters!??!!!
Amazing how english speaking countries drag us back to the 15th century with measurements...
fun Fact - it is mathematically impossible for everyone to be above average.
The more people who become above average, the less there will be.
That's kind of obvious...
A quote from Michael Gove, when he was UK education secretary:
Q98 Chair: One is: if "good" requires pupil performance to exceed the national average, and if all schools must be good, how is this mathematically possible?
Michael Gove: By getting better all the time.
Q99 Chair: So it is possible, is it?
Michael Gove: It is possible to get better all the time.
Q100 Chair: Were you better at literacy than numeracy, Secretary of State?
Michael Gove: I cannot remember.
Yes but the standards for "above average" also rise.
If in 2020 the standards for above average were that you knew about 70% of what a qualified scientist knows who has been working in the industry for 10 years, you'd be considered above average, when we compare you to the most intelligent group of people within that field.
If by 2050 everyone knows 70% of what a qualified scientist knows having worked in the industry for 10 years, then not only will said scientist be far smarter than he a scientist in 2020 then the knowledge would also expand making people have to do even more than they do now.
In laments terms think of a bowl of water. As we discover more things the bowl of water has more water added to it, therefore there are more things students have to learn, those who excel even with this new knowledge, and subsequently more work for them to do they're still above average.
If i go back in time to 1980, i would be considered "above average", if i go forward in time to 2050, i would be considered "bellow average". Simply because we are getthing smarter as time goes on.
So nya! mathematics kinda of falls apart when time comes into play.
@@MsHarpsychord I thinks that's his point
When I was in high school I used to fill in the bubble for "KEY" on some of my tests. This made my test the answer key and al the subsequent tests that were run through the machine were graded according to my answers. My teachers learned that they needed to check my test form before running it through the machine.
You know it's a good sponsor when Simon actually spends money on them.
My parents gave me 2 grade options:
A
Homelessness
Welcome to Asian life XD
:(
Mine were:
A
Slightly disappointed
Grounded for a month
I got a B once and got kicked out. Fun fun times
My options were A or a hiding with a wooden spoon.
Yeah me and my friends use "E" as a punchline when someone doesn't know if they're gonna pass or fail a subject
A
How can you use E as a punchline? Do you even know what a punchline is?
@@sofya3033 yeah I had a feeling I used a wrong word or phrase
Starlight Galaxy maybe the punchline of a "joke" like punchlines are used to make jokes... do u think you'll pass or fail? ill be an E
In my advanced learning classes when I was young only used E, M, and F. For exceeding, meeting, or failing expectations.
In Poland usually it's something like this:
0 - 29% = 1 (of course fail)
30 - 49% = 2
50 - 74% = 3
75 - 89 % = 4
90 - 100% = 5
On bigger tests you can score a 6 if (depending on a teacher):
- scored 100% or a bit less (maybe half a point, 1 point)
- got a 5 and correctly solved additional, harder task
Also teacher can a bit bend these percentages, so on example you can score a 4, if you got 70%. Speaking of border percentages, teachers can also add - or + near the grade, usually it's 5%.
Meanwhile in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore:
"Why is there no alphabet in the A+ to guillotine scale?"
And iran
You don't fuck around with Tiger Mom
"A"sians not "B"sains
@@diypictures I shouldn’t have laugh as hard as I did when I read this 😭
In Japan, we actually have an S above A, I think it stands for "special" or "super".
"Hey Vsauce, British Michael here!"
I actually thought it was Vsauce from the thumbnail at first-
Juliana Frith Michael from Vsauce was born in England
@@toesdoeswhoknows704 i googled it and it said he was born in missouri...
Juliana Frith Oh sorry I thought he was
@@toesdoeswhoknows704 np:)
Arlington County Virginia where I went to school in the 80s/90s was one of the few schools that used an A, B, C, D & E grading scale.
In my elementary school they used E for excellent and it was the best grade you could get. We never used the letter system for grading after that. It was always percentage based in middle and high school.
The proper grading is and forever will be, O-E-A-P-D-T; Outstanding to Troll, FTW!
I knew someone would bring up the Hogwarts grading scale.
@@kwelchans I think Hogwarts doesn't have an efficient grading system. What is the purpose of having 3 failing grades (P, D, T)? It just makes reading the story more interesting and helps retaining the readers' attention. But apart from having these literary advantages, the grading system does not feel good.
Yup
@Rajesh Thomas Well the current danish grading scale have 2 failing grades, and the old one (which was replaced by the current one in 2007, so not THAT old) had 3 failing grades, so yeah ;)
The advantages of multiple failing grades are to know how far off you are to even be considered good enough in the subject. If you only get the first grading a scale, a little increase in effort and you should be fine, where getting the 2nd one you can probably still pull it home, but will require some good extra effort. 3rd grade off well if you are this far down, there is a good chance you probably need to take the entire subject over from the start and put a lot more effort into it right from the start then (Should be noted also that both danish grading scales uses numbers rather than letters as grades)
@@Shenron557 So failing students know with absolute certainty how poorly they did. I've seen a 10-grade system with five passing and five failing grades. It has a purpose.
It is, of course, possible to have only one failing grade. It is also possible to have only one passing grade. The latter is just less common.
My school grading system was always A-E. Whenever i seen something on TV or whatnot talking about an F grade I always assumed it was an exaggeration used for TV
Same, we had A-E all the way through highschool and college. The F was a thing for TV shows. I remember seeing it a lot on the Simpsons as a kid, and just took that as a cartoon thing.
Same here.
I am Prince George's County in Maryland and I can tell you with most certainty that I have brought home and E or two in my day and if you didn't know, E is the opposite of A.
Same, is it a Maryland public schools thing?
It's the same in Virginia
If I recall correctly when I was in Elementary School we used letter grades A-D. We didn't "fail" a particular subject, but on the last report card of the year there was a section that started "grade recommended in September" (or something like that) that indicated if you passed the year or not. We also had learning skills that where graded on E (Excellent) G (Good) S (Satisfactory) or N (needs improvement). When I started High School our grades where all shown as a percentage, with a fail anything below a 50%.
I believe I remember at my Elementary school (Primary school) with the 1st through 3rd grade they used
E- Excellent
G- Good
S- Satisfactory
U- Unsatisfactory
So could be that some parts in America if they used this system felt it would confuse the students once they hit 4th grade and switched to the A,B,C,D grading system. I could be remembering totally wrong though
My school has an E grade and it stands for “Excused” for if they were absent and weren’t able to do it.
@Mr. Quack
For me it’s I for insufficient information.
Same for me, I got an E on two exams because of COVID-19
The elementary school I went to in the 1950s had a weird set of letters: E (for Excellent), VG (for Very Good), G (for Good) and U (for unsatisfactory).
Imagine, you were excellent and changed to a school, where E is the worst grade.
Can confirm this was still the case in the early 80s, at least in some places.
BTEC in the uk uses distinction, merit and pass. I once made the mistake of telling a manager of the company I was doing work experience at that I had DDD. boy I had to correct that quickly to avoid embarrassment
I had that in 1st -3rd grade at Catholic School
What does DDD stand for I can’t even remember
When my brother did his AS Levels we were picking him up from getting his results and we were super excited to see that he was smiling at his results. He got in the car and proudly announced that his results spelt DUDE
In Australia when I was growing up, we had E but no F! E was the fail grade. D also classified as a fail grade.
Parent: I don’t understand why my kid failed. He came home with a few E’s but no F’s. Oh, he just added a line to make the F into an E. Never mind.
The real reason
But would your parents really be more happy with like 20% success, at least with an F you could say you forgot.
@@titaniumtomato7247 maybe your parents lol
Report card: F
Me: hm (grabs a pen)
Mum: Honey let me see the report card-
Report card: E
Me: E for Excellent!
P.S: you didn’t find this video, *this video found you during the Coronavirus*
So true! This video showed up in my recommendation
P.S: In my school, E stands for exellent
Markplier E
In K-2nd, our teachers used E (excellent), S (satisfactory), and U (unsatisfactory). Starting in 3rd grade we got A-D & F. Skipping E made the transition easier, since E had been the highest and suddenly it would be the lowest or nearly so.
I love the way Simon phones everything in so hard.
When I was in grade school, we had "E" for excellent, "S" for satisfactory, and "P" for progressing.
We had "E" for excellent, "S" for superior, "M" for mediocre, "I" for inferior, and "F" for failure.
If videogames taught me anything S+ is the best grade
marsay82 I think I had this too
Mine had S: satisfactory, U: unsatisfactory, and E: excellent.
We had E for excellent S for satisfactory N for needs to improve and I was an incomplete
I'm sure the anti-smell is meant to be a feature, not a challenge lol.
😂
Infographic should be involved.
Challenge Accepted
🤣
It sounds like a nice challenge. Let's use it as a ferret blanket.
Why is there no E in the granding systems
Me, a swede: *Visible confusion*
In some primary schools kindergarten, 1st and sometimes 2nd grade use E for excellent S for satisfactory and N for needs improvement and their is no failing grade given until 2nd or 3rd grade when the standard A,B,C,D, and F system starts.
I've also heard that maybe "E" can be used on some report cards (elementary school typically) to stand for "Excellent".
i remember that only for like the back side with the "learning skills" page. e=excellent, g=good, s=satisfactory, nw=needs work.
Also
E= Exceeds Expectations
S= Satisfactory
U= Unsatisfactory
Is that what your son told you?
It’s true that’s how I was graded in elementary school !
In first grade, I was graded on a scale of (O)utstanding (E)xcellent (S)atesfactory and (U)nsatesfactory. So E was basically a B. The fun part was explaining to my Grandma (who was a principal at the time. Basically a headmistress for those of you across the pond) that I, in fact, got an outstanding not a zero.
No these are lies the true reason is...
The creators of school didn’t go to school because they created it so they didn’t know the alphabet because it didn’t exist. Yup pure truth
I have been awoken
You learned the alphabet in school?
Lmg mounted And loaded nah I leaned it earlier but the creators of school probably didn’t my dude
I eat martin, M stands for klinklewand, wich stands for fjyfkuyv(€_:€*_jhl(£:¡}{>◇•vvh wich means:
Wheh?
Tottally wrong stop telling lies u france. Stop lieng to kids
In New Brunswick our grading is as follows:
1 - below grade level
2- approaching grade level
3- grade level
3+ - slightly above grade level
4 - above grade level
4+ - exceeding expectations.
I was on an IEP (Individualized Education Plan) in high school due to being in special education for a couple of learning and social disorders. We had the E grade which was basically a way for the school to say 'you cannot give them an F', and to give special education kids a modified diploma, guaranteeing them they'd graduate from high school.
"F" is so bad, you are off the A-D scale.
@Mario Salinas Rules for retesting vary from place to place and for given context.
The A-D system is a scale, with the lowest grade being a "D" (Usually around 60% but not always) Anything lower than that, you are *OFF THE SCALE*
Also, I once took a test so difficult the average was only 5% correct answers. I believe in the history of the test no one had ever scored higher than 35% correct.
Very often, grades are based on the performance of the class. So if the average score on the test was 90%, then 90% would be a "C" grade.
It's called "grading on the bell"
@Eric Taylor
That's interesting. When I was in college, we had a knuckleheaded professor who took the highest score and set that as the 100% mark. So if the highest student got, say, 87% that became the A and he adjusted everything up to it. For example, if another student got 63, he would then take 63 ÷ 87 to get 72% and give the student a C instead of a D.
The school had a policy of "below a C is a failing grade, and if you get a C or better, you can't retake the class" (and add to it, auditing courses wasn't allowed). A lot of students who should have failed were passed, and a few who wanted to retake the course were shoved along to the next one.
Except mathematically you aren't technically off the scale. Say you get a C and 3 Fs. That's a 0.5 GPA. Obviously that sucks, but let's analyze what that is. A D = 1.0. A D- is a 0.7. Many places don't use a D- grade, but effectively it's 0.7 given a B- is 2.7 and C- is 1.7. So what's the 0.5? Or any GPA between 0.0 and 0.5? That's where the invisible E grade exists, because there's no F+ grade.
Possible solution: make the scale out of 5.0, align letter grades to 4.5, 3.5, 2.5, 1.5, and 0.5, with the last representing an E. Students who get As could be given a 5.0 instead of 4.5 as a slight boost as well.
An E would likely be a failing grade across the board, but it would at least distinguish students who are failing near a 60% versus failing closer to 0%, and motivate some who are in the 40s or 50s percentages. A true F would be a score below 50% (assuming no grading curve).
@@DAK4Blizzard You know, I'm tired of arguing this topic. If the lowest score on the scale is 60% and you have 59% you are off the scale.
You can have a different scale, but we aren't talking about those cases. This is *ONLY* for when you have a fixed scale.
@@erictaylor5462 What do you call a 0.01 to 0.5 GPA then? F is off the scale, so presumably it's something else. It's obviously a failing GPA, and the E grade doesn't exist, so it's a letter-less value described as failing.
I got an “I” once, stood for “Incomplete”, then I got student of the month when I brought it up to a C-
My favorite saying (and sometimes motivation) in college was
"C's get degrees"
He seemed genuinely excited about the sponsor.
I didn't see an "E" until I got to college.
"U's" are mainly used in elementary schools
I saw nothing but E's till I got to university...don't ask how I got in. Got lots of A's in university, don't know how.
In sweden, we have a joke where U means "Utmärkt" or Excellent in english.
@@TheFullmetalb0x
F means Fantastic
@@TheFullmetalb0x we have the same joke in English where F means fantastic
A means "Awful"
If you're asian, the scale is literally A or F.
,a- still fail.
Or we not b-sians we A-sians
A or Disinheritance.
A-sian or F-ail. Anything less than A is failure 😁
;-; ptsd
Indeed. I grew up seeing E's.
This is strictly an American question, asking a British person.
In school forever ago they taught us that it went
A> above average
B> basic
C> common
D> deficient
F> fail.
When I was in secondary school our marks were numerical. Compulsory courses had a pass of 65%, elective courses had a pass of 50%.
because then.. "E" would really take away the concept of using the saying, "A IS for Effort!" 😂👌🏼💯
3:55 sounds like my HS physics teacher. You were lucky to get 20% on his tests. And he would curve the class grades to reflect that.
My HS school adopted a grading scale meant to stamp out curving. My math teacher laughed at it, burned it, and continued making hard tests that would make a college student weep. Anything above a 40% was an A.
On the other hand, when I went to college I got nothing but As in math because they were so easy compared to my HS teacher (who was also a college professor).
My HS Math teacher graded on a curve but it was never used because I always got a 💯. It sucked because I had to do the next days homework along with that night’s homework to help teach it to the class.
@@fearless4him595 I had a similar situation in Biology. The teacher graded on the curve, but either I or one other guy would always get 100, ruining the curve for everyone else. She finally gave up and started setting the curve on the next one behind us, so he and I would both regularly get over 100 on tests.
William Reeves Lol, would people always look at you two when that happened and no curve? After grading papers my teacher would always say “Alright, I’m done grading the papers. Guess who got a 100 again?” I hated that. At least I wasn’t bullied for it or something lol, made people want to be my partner even if they were useless.
I have one thing to say, here in Quebec, Canada, in my primary we had the A to E because, like the F, in French, Échec mean failure (and so, start with an E) then we switch to /100 grade for everything after some reform in our education system
So much data quickly. Thank you.
Elementary middle and high school for me always use the E and has never used an F
Interesting
Same.
I know in most of Michigan they use A-E instead of A-F
Yeah same i never gotta f but i got Es
@@Kotaneth in Maryland too.
I just had % when I went to school...seems to make so much more sense...
Letter grades are a representation of a range of percentages; they're effectively the summation of each range. It's actually a more concise, yet less precise, way of conveying the same information.
Less precise seems less good to me, and it's not that much more concise...it only takes a glance to understand a % after all.
Not like it's a big deal or anything though, all good :)
@LUCY OF TEESDALE That's what + and - are for, mate
In Italy we have numbers representing %
E.g. 8 means you got between 7.75% and 8.25%, and it's considered a quite good grade
Trash while it is more precise, it's still the same problem - it doesn't differentiate between those who barely made b+ and those who are nearly a-... and not all schools have them anyway
A Levels in the Uk Are A-E (all varying degrees of pass, with an A* for exceptional performance) and U for ungraded (a fail). Our old GCSE system ran from A*-G and included all letters between. A*-C were regarded as ‘proper passes’, but D-G were all different levels of soft pass. U again was ungraded.