David Fitzgerald knows his shit. You should read his books. They will fill you in on a great deal of Christian history. He does for critical analysis of the Bible what Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris did to popularize the Atheist movement in America.
@Thomas Lundy his logic does not have any evidence to be supported though. Now, if you believe what he says I suggest you start working on your critical thinking and stop being an ass. Cheers
@Thomas Lundy You haven't provided any evidence apart from some quotes. Shall I school you on how to support one's ideas? I could also teach you how to write proper English.
David Favel well sir its likely that Marry had a sugar daddy probably the persist and he put it in the wrong hole thus the bastard Christ was born and Joseph was just ignorant to this .
I'm tired of childish fairy tales told by frightened, superstitious people who want to take over the world so they can become wealthy and powerful. Imagine a country ruled by an invisible, unknowable character with three separate personalities that lives in his magic kingdom in the clouds. It's called a theocracy.
@@warren52nzHere are a few more religious puns, Jehovah's witless and for all the catholics out there The Immaculate Deception (Conception) and Our Lady of Perpetual Suckers (Succour).
This guy is awesome! His knowledge of the Bible is so complete that the Christian is totally out of his depth even talking about his own holy book. Lol! Best show ever!
+Mr. Alexander. David Fitzgerald knows his shit. You should read his books. They will fill you in on a great deal of Christian history. He does for critical analysis of the Bible what Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris did to popularize the Atheist movement in America.
*Thomas Lundy. Mr. Alexander, Michael Grant--In his book Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels, Atheist historian Michael Grant completely rejected the idea that Jesus never existed:* First, there is no such thing as an "Atheist historian," nor should it matter what religion a historian (any historian) chooses to follow. Second, to couch it in this manner, you are leading the reader to a conclusion that does not exist. Historians do not research and study history BASED upon their religious beliefs, they research and study history based upon HISTORY. This is an Appeal to Authority fallacy. And finally, so what? Richard Carrier, also an "Atheist Historian" (to use your misleading terminology) does not believe that Jesus Christ can be considered to have been an historical figure. Now what? Two "Atheist Historians," two divergent opinions. I am sure that you can find any number of historians, both Biblical and secular who will tell you that Jesus Christ, in their opinion, existed as a historical figure. However, none can present you with concrete empirical evidence to support that claim, either. What everyone, historian and lay person alike wants demonstrated is the supernatural claims about Jesus Christ as found in the Bible are true. Can they be corroborated (of course they can't.) Few, if anyone, are concerned with the mere EXISTENCE of the historical Jesus, because whether or not he existed is irrelevant without the miracle accounts. Without these, he would have been nothing more that simply another rabbi who was executed by a Roman court (and there were several of those.) So, I ask again, based upon what you have posted here from Michael Grant....so what?
The shame about being a well educated Atheist is all the time you have to spend debugging the Bible. Matt and Andrew et al really bit the bullet for the rest of us. Thank you so much for the work you do.
The biggest shame is that atheists spend so much time analyzing and reflecting on the veracity and historicity of books like the bible, then have to deal with theists that really just do not want to listen to the truth about them. And I'd argue that's accurate for the vast majority of theists. They don't want truth, they want familiar comforting lies.
21:50 Notice at this point that this theist has had at least 10, 15 of his claims refuted.... and he simply keeps going like the Black Knight in Monty Python.
@@jeziscricket4448 Is funny that the only thing you can do is to threaten those who don't agree with you, instead of giving a good reason to believe in your mafioso skydaddy. But i guess that is the only thing we can expect from deluded idiots.
@@Julian0101 This is my good reason to you The Lord said to Moses, command the israelites to send away from the camp anyone who has infected there skin or affected there bodily function of any kind and is ceremonially unclean due to there polluted minds.
Andrew: "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong. Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong. Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong. Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong. Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong. Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong. This guy is trying really hard to convince himself he is right, with David easily shutting him down. This is the CLASSIC example of the average Christian who really knows nothing about early Christian history, the creation of the Bible, or who actually wrote the damn Gospels!
Recently discovered the channel so I'm a bit late here, jumping around through all these clips I believe he has been on before (or maybe in future). He talks like he found a pamphlet on an apologetic topic, reads it out loud, then just drops what ever line he just read when refuted. These arguments aren't his own or even something he seems to have done any research himself on.
@@JohnDoe-ku4jj That could essentially sum up how theists in general argue. Because the arguments don't matter. The game isn't to actually get to the truth. They already "know" the truth; god is their presupposition that they believe without evidence and for no rational reason, and all the "arguments" and "evidence" that they throw out is just a smokescreen that it's tossed out to protect that presupposition. That's why theists are very rarely phased to discover their arguments are flawed, and will often even REPEAT those arguments after they've been shown to be false, because they literally do not care about the truth of the arguments. The arguments are the scaffolding erected around the beliefs they will often continue to hold no matter what and that is the only purpose they serve.
@Quincy Breed You shouldnt make an impromptu call in my opinion. At least pick a topic and do abit of research on it. Many people have done in the past, all to no avail. You have to face the facts that the run-of-the-mill theist christian knows very little about apologetics and when they try to put forth an argument that they think is convincing but gets shut down by logic and basic critical thinking, it really shows who is more educated. Atheists are not going to remote villages to preach science and basically force people to be an atheist. That's what theists do. Go to villages, build houses for them, basically be indebted to the christians, and in return they have to worship a god, no questions. You tell me who's being sneaky.
@Quincy Breed And if the Muslims are right, and you have to face Allah? The same punishment awaits you.. Have you lost any sleep, pondering that you might be wrong, and the Muslims are right? They have a book that says they're right, too. Now you know why your threats of hell don't scare us. The scary thing is, no matter which god you believe in, the majority of mankind does NOT believe in that god. Considering that eternal hell is the punishment for non belief, you'd think that a god would have nade his existence less ambiguous, and that belief in "god" wouldn't follow geographic lines. That's only what you'd expect if EVERY religion was made up.
RD Hudon ...Jesus’ alleged lifetime ended when he was allegedly crucified. Hence, there are exactly *zero* known contemporary accounts of Jesus, his life, his ministry, his trial, and his death. Not a single scrap of contemporary writing about Jesus from a single scribe, priest, government official, military officer, or literate human being is known to exist. For a god man who performed unprecedented miracles in front of multitudes of people in the relatively literate society of Ancient Rome, I find this a bit odd. By the way, Josephus was not a contemporary of Jesus, as Josephus was born in 37 A.D. Also, Josephus’ writings which mention Jesus were written in 93-94 A.D....nowhere near contemporary.
1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
And as historical truth...insane! I've known at an early age, even though going to a Lutheran school, and you know the Germans are so loving and kind, that Noah was BS. SO if you lie to me once how can I believe you over and over.
THAT'S how you host! If you have someone call in with an argument which is your guest hosts literal specialty, you drink your coffee and enjoy the show. 🤷🏼♂️😆👍
@@user-ki1un4jg2d No. He can only offer the argument that best supports the evidence, which is that Jesus never existed. If you took people who never heard of Christianity and taught them what Christianity is, had them read the Bible, and then had them speak to a guy like David and and Bible believer, I think 99.99% of people would take the position Jesus never existed
What a slaughter. I just ordered the book. He took that guy's bible right out of his hands and beat him about the head with it. Blood all over the walls. Shoulda paid more attention in Sunday school, buddy.
That is part of the problem with paying attention in Sunday school. The Christians only teacher the children what is their preferred bible stories. Never going to learn anything factual about real history from Sunday school.
I don't think it would have helped him to pay attention at all. I mean he just basically would have REALLY known all his bullshit. Still bullshit nonetheless. I wish a priest would call in.
@@richardsanchez9190 1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
Andrew is one of those very, very annoying believers who never once acknowledge in a discussion that 'perhaps' he is misinformed, or just plain wrong. He rattles off erroneous assumptions one after the other like he's not even listening to a guy who clearly knows a shit load more than he does. Well done David!
"Not an expert in textual criticism" - well, then you don't stand a chance against people who have actually read and studied the Bible and the history of Christianity.
This particular episode of the show is perhaps the best one I have viewed to date. David's answers were so complete and thorough. Thank you so much, David. Andrew was completely decimated, but he would not admit he was completely wrong about almost everything.
That's a great point. On the one hand I hate being ignorant and unable to answer theists but on the other hand I have a very strong gut notion that this stuff is all bs and why should I waste my time studying just to try to refute bs. The other thing is that I suspect to really understand even the books written by David Fitzgerald you would have to do a lot of research to really understand the context. Otherwise you just because someone who believes what you read and you don't critically investigate it for yourself which also is not good
Nathan El, we consider the origin of the bible. It didn't exist in the form it does today until the First Ecumenical Coucil of Nicea. It was here the western religious material was heavily edited. This editing and translation was done by Romans. All Roman history, contained in the bible, was written by romans who knew their history very well. Finding Pontius Pilot doesn't prove the existence of Jesus. Monty Python had more to prove Bigus Dickus than you have of proving Jesus.
Nathan El I have no problem with Jesus existing. But he was not God or any supernatural being. He was just a man. Get you head out of the 1st century and join the rest of us in the 21st century. You talk about values?! It is Christians that blow up abortion clinics killing people, it is Christian parents not allowing their children to receive medical care thinking their magic sky daddy will save their baby. And of course the infant dies. It was two Christian men that beat a gay man to death and they claimed they were doing God's work. You people make me sick!
I almost feel sorry for this caller, every time he tried to make a point, David drowned him in facts. The poor caller didn’t even know that the gospels weren’t written by Matthew, Mark, or Luke, which is pretty much biblical history 101.
Man...I loved this episode! And Fitzgerald was brutally amazing! I'm very knowledgeable about history and religious history, but this man just made want to go to the library and just research all day long. Thank you TAE for your channel, you just got another subscriber.
David Fitzgerald knows his shit. You should read his books. They will fill you in on a great deal of Christian history. He does for critical analysis of the Bible what Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris did to popularize the Atheist movement in America.
For a guy who knows his shit, he didn't even mention the Q, which although unproven, is widely accepted as the source for parallels in Matthew/Luke not found in Mark. He also doesn't mention the letters of Paul, parts of which preserve tradition accepted to be within years of the actual events. It seems like a blaring omission not to mention the Quell. It would be like talking about the source material for the Pentateuch without mentioning the Documentary Hypothesis.
It's not only amazing that Fitzgerald has a complete knowledge of his subject, but that he's able to recall any detail without hesitation. I wish I had the brain cells to do that.
At minute 24:30 we discover that all the previous dialogue simply bounced off Andrew and floated away. That must be so frustrating if you just spoke (expertly) for 20+ minutes and the person you’re speaking with simply ignored everything you said.
I love how Christians “just know “ lol. They refer to the Bible when they forget or just don’t know that it has been retranslated,re-edited and rewritten more times than anyone can count so you can’t claim it to be the word of god.
As much as I enjoy listening to and trying to learn from Matt, sometimes I am left with some confusion over the terms or arguments used. I think a lot of it is just Matt's speaking style goes right over my head as I am trying to piece things together. David's explanation of proper citing of historic authenticity helped clear up some misunderstandings and confusion I had been having.
Telsonater I’d say Andrew’s face was completely blank. Andrew simply wasn’t taking in anything David said- he just dismisses it all as “criticism” and doubles down on his original claim that the gospels were eyewitness accounts written by contemporaries of Jesus.
This is beyond sad. The guy, Andrew, clearly is honest about his beliefs and desperately wants to defend them. Completely ignoring facts and evidence and points to anecdotal scripts and claims to just prove his point. This is what indoctrination does kids.
Indoctrination is truly one of the most sadistic weapons mankind has ever devised. Most of my family are old earth creationists who solely depend on the bible and I was for a good chunk of my life. Now they respect my disbelief in any god, but they still think I'm going to hell and it hurts but coming from that indoctrination and understanding just what a grip it has on people it doesn't bother me that much. I won't deny it, there are times in my day when I still wonder what happens if I'm wrong, do I go to hell. I stopped believing in god about 4 years ago. It's like an addiction and you still have those fixes you want sometimes to feel good. It's insane, and I hear my family talking about how everyone around them is being indoctrinated to believe god doesn't exist and they like to point me out, not in front of me but it's impossible to think that they are willing to say it about everyone else, just not me. Side note, they are also huge conspiracy theorists, which I feel most of dictate a necessity of a belief in god to make sense of them. Pretty sure my mother believes the chemtrails are the reason behind my transition from christanity into atheist agnostic. At the end of the day, reading the bible is what caused me to accept who I am and one could say the bible truly did free me.
The problem is no one has sat down with him and actually presented the real facts to him. This is why the myths continue to this day. It has to be and has to come from an individuals acceptance, because thats how it was taught. You cant un-train a "personal training" with a megaphone aimed at a crowd. I guarantee you if every Christian fundy sat down across from someone like David Fitzgerald, and the actual documented truth they could read, they would all change their minds and become skeptical and eventually turn Atheist or Agnostic.
Caller: "We don't have any evidence of Alexander the Great's life until 200 years after his death." David Fitzgerald: "That's adorable!" Savage, David! Nicely done!!
WAIT…the earliest source we have for Alexander the Great was recorded 300 years after his death?? And the best sources we have for him are Plutarch and Arian, who wrote 425 to 450 years after he died??? So why the hell do atheists think he existed but not Jesus????? Jesus’ earliest source is 5 years after he died, and Paul wrote about him 18 years after he died!!! Like, what the fuck, atheists?? Explain yourselves now.
Perfect day for this guy to call in. It always peeves me when theists call in on days that experts in the field they're questioning are absent and then act like they're correct because they "stumped" the host on something. Perfect response, well done. I'm definitely going to search for more videos where you're hosting, David.
Who is this David guy? Wow!!!! Amazing how he doesn't even need to hear the whole argument from the caller and he knows what he's getting at, then nips it in the bud right away!!! Wow! Thank you for this introduction!
So I guess you don't know where universities came from , the modern scientific method , How about those Jesuits with their research labs and observatories all over the world . Ignorance comes from all sides . You are a fine example of the simplistic ignorance of the less educated atheist . Basic psychology shows us that some will put others down to edify their own position and is usually done out of frustration and insecurity .You are definitely out of your league.
If dogs believed in a dog god, what would the Ten Commandments be for dogs ? 1. Thou shalt not wag at any other dog god. 2. Thou shalt not chew a plastic bone. 3. Thou shalt not bark up the wrong tree. 4. Thou shalt sleep all day on Saturday. 5. Thou shalt not sniff the bottoms of thy parents. 6. Thou shalt not bite another dog, 7. Thou shalt not run away from your owner. 8. Thou shalt not chew a bone that belongs to another dog. 9. Thou shalt not bark when there is no reason to bark. 10. Thou shalt not sniff the bottom of the dog next door.
So amazing. I love seeing a professional, that did the work, blood sweat and tears, to discover the truth of this religion. I will keep a eye out for this guest show host
Christian got schooled on his own book AND THEN SOME!! Thank you for enlightening the world just a little bit more!! LOVE YOUR SHOW!! ALOHA FROM HAWAII!! 😎👌
I love the scene in the Life of Brian, where the John Cleese character says, 'He's truely the massiah, I should know, I've followed a few'... Just like guru's in India, they're thick on the ground.. Jusus was probably a real person but not the person we've been led to believe. Myth has overtaken the reality.. In a polytheistic world it pays to give your god attributes others don't have. A monotheistic god trumps them all... I would guess Constantine saw christianity as a way of uniting the troops around a single god, giving them common purpose. Its known the version of christianity chosen was favoured by the military of the time.. Subjugation of women etc...
If Jesus existed he was just some random guy uttering platitudes about life and religion. Without the extraordinary claims being true or even possible, he might as well not have existed at all.
Correct you just a small meaningless guy who had his particular message which was nothing like the message of the Bible which was corrupted fiction Mythos almost 200 years later we already know that but people tend to forget about the other gospels they they think John is the lead when it's not Mark is the lead Matthew and Luke.
Incredible! This is one of the best shows you guys have ever produced. I love all of you guys but Divid Fitzgerald was out of this world on this show. Can you invite him more often? I was amazed by his level of knowledge, clarity, and consistence (if I were a christian, I would never call the show when Matt or this guy are on the air).
Christian logic is hilarious, it's so entertaining ,they twist every point to fit the narrative. This is indicative of how the bible was written in the first place.
This caller has ZERO critical thinking skills and I mean ZERO. I hope he reads these comments. His logic is so flawed. He probably owns an igloo in Florida.
Seriously this guy and his knowledge on how the bible was written and the actual history and context provided is by far THE MOST INTERESTING thing ive ever heard on this show.
“He might as well have been wearing it on a T-shirt.” Please bring David back on the show more often. He is so well spoken. well read, and very knowledgeable. Let’s not forget a sense of humor as well! Wow, that was entertaining.
I mean when someone lays things out this clearly and simply for someone, it baffles me how they can still contest. I just think their mind switches off the moment you start speaking.
Did Alexander the Great exist? Alexander III of Macedon, commonly known as Alexander the Great, was a king of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon and a member of the Argead dynasty. He was born in Pella in 356 BCE and succeeded his father Philip II to the throne at the age of twenty. He spent most of his ruling years on an unprecedented military campaign through Asia and northeast Africa, and he created one of the largest empires of the ancient world by the age of thirty, stretching from Greece to north western India. He was undefeated in battle and is widely considered one of history's most successful military commanders. He also had a city named after him Alexandria. Alexandria is a port city on the Mediterranean Sea in northern Egypt founded in 331 BCE by Alexander the Great. There are many more places that bear his name up to 50 at this time. There are also many physical artefacts from his time that bear his name and image, that include busts and statues, coinage and many other physical items of evidence connected to a real person. So did he exist... What do you think? By the way. Not one physical piece of evidence has actually been connected to Christ. Just saying... :-)
Except for over 10,000 manuscripts, over 500 eyewitnesses, artifacts that bear his name, statues of him, and so many more artifacts that can link Jesus back to a real person. No evidence? Jesus was real and the evidence proves it. There is more for Jesus than Ceaser.
@Sam Bacon "You don't prove a negative you moron" People who resort to name calling have already lost the argument. Present something better. You have appealed to the ad hominem fallacy already. What other logical fallacies do you wish to offer the unthinking world? "Post your evidence supporting your claims, and absolutely NOTHING from any book of the Bible counts." For your information, the Bible is not a purely religious text based set of articles. The Bible of today is nothing more a complete collection of the things that have already been written down in history from other places. To dismiss the entire Bible, you can, but you would also be dismissing every other piece of history found inside that is valid as well as outside. If nothing from the Bible counts, you are dismissing the Bible only. You are not dismissing that you can put the Bible back together from outside credible sources and end up with it again. Ok fine. I will provide evidence for my claims. The first one (over 10,000 manuscripts) For the sake of time, I will not add over 10,000 as this post would be too long. Here are at least 8 to get you started. Bodmer Papyrus II The Diatessaron John Rylands MS Chester Beatty Papyri Codex Alexandrinus Codex Sinaiticus Codex Vaticanus Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis Second, over 500 eyewitnesses: Paul wrote a letter. In there he describes that these witnesses to the resurrected Jesus include the Apostle Peter, James the brother of Jesus, and, most intriguingly, a group of more than 500 people at the same time. (Again, if you are saying nothing from the Bible counts, I don't need it to still use the New Testament writings. These writings exist outside of the Bible too. See above) Many New Testament scholars would not dispute that some of Jesus’ followers believed they had seen him alive only weeks or months after his death. Bart Ehrman, a prominent New Testament scholar who is outspoken about his agnosticism, states: “What is certain is that the earliest followers of Jesus believed that Jesus had come back to life, in the body, and that this was a body that had real bodily characteristics: It could be seen and touched, and it had a voice that could be heard.” One of two things can happen. One, everybody was hallucinating the exact same thing at the exact same time. That would be more of a miracle than Christ himself, or you will refute the historical sources found elsewhere as religious and unreliable. If you choose the second, you must not care about history at all. In that case, it is hopeless to convince you. Third, artifacts that bear his name: Annals (Tacticus) The Testimonium Flavianum (Josephus) Fourth, statues. You have never seen a statue or bust of Jesus? LOL. Google it.
I took classes on the history of christianity while i was a religious studies minor in college. This gentleman (not the caller - the expert sitting next to Tracie) knows what he is talking about. The evidence Christians usually point outside of the bible for the historicity of jesus is very weak indeed and to my eye appears to merely a description of what christians and how they would describe themselves (ie they worship a guy who was crucified during the reign on Pontias Pilate). If I say that Eric Foreman was a high school student who lived in Wisconsin in the 1970s whose parents were Red and Kitty Foreman and I describe things he did with his friends such as trying to paint the town watertower and falling off it is a reasonable and accurate description of him but does not make him non-fictional.
The Romans would NEVER let "Jesus" be taken down. The point of crucifixion was to humiliate both the offender and his family. The corpses were left to rot on the crosses. This was particularly galling to Jews who required that all blood etc be gathered and buried with the body.
Barnaby ap Robert Thank You!!!! I've tried to explain this several times to many different theist. Also, the entire crucifixion makes no sense as well the particular crucifix itself. The Christians have the "t" cross as their symbol but during that particular time period only the "X" style cross was being used and the "T" (upper case) style cross was just being invented. But even the trial never added up, anything dealing with religion would be handled solely by the Pharisee, Rome wouldn't interfere with a religious fallout from NON-ROMAN/NON-citizens. In addition, how did they immediately hold council with Pilat and immediately have his attention. The Pharisees with have full right to just stone the heretic (jesus). ALSO, if Barnabus was being executed for killing a Roman Centurian, Ceasar said himself "if ANY person would strike a Centurian OR take his life, thus it shall be taken as an assault or attempt to take the life of Caesar himself!!" Barnabus was convicted of several rapes and the Centurian murder, if Pilat set him free in exchange of crucifying a jew who in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM had broken the Laws of Rome or Spoke evil against Caesar; Pilat would be subject to severe discipline (possibly including his own death) under the Laws of Rome. Plus the death was during the holy days of Pasha, so NO one would be allowed to even touch the body and Roman forbade the burying of crucified prisoners/slaves. History in and of itself denies and greatly disagrees with the bible, not just people...
Barnaby ap Robert Very true. They left you up their to rot and for the animals. And you were nude! No cloth covering your naughty bits like the movies show.
Historical Biblical Research Yes, also very silly. You couldn't talk either. You could barely breath. And you were to busy moaning and screaming in pain. But in the Bible it's as if everyone is sitting in the living room having an intimate conversation. HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET?
Courtney D. Waller The Romans took curcification from a North African tribe who nailed or tied people to an x cross. The Romans changed it to the "T" because it was more painful on the joints. I don't know if the Roman ever used the "X" cross. Could be true. Doesn't matter....The story is bullshit anyway. Interesting however.
*John 19:33-34 is indeed medically interesting and I'd like to debunk it from my standpoint as a clinical physician in internal medicine:* _"But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and blood and water flowed out immediately"_ The only way this makes sense medically (=also explaining the "water" part) is in a person who has a pleural effusion, i.e. a collection of water between between chest wall and lung. This can easily go as deep as 10 cm, or even more when measured below the base of the lung. It's actually a situation where a person could be pierced by a spear without injuring any vital organs. In my clinical practise, I've inserted long needles into such collections of water for drainage purposes hundreds of times, without injuring anything (sounds worse than it is; if done correctly, with or without local anasthesia people usually feel hardly anything, because the water within the pleural cavity of course has no pain sensation and the puncture through the chest wall can be done in a quick move within a tenth of a second). IF(!) there ever was a historical Jesus, this would be a logical explanation for the "resurrection": because he never died. A pleural effusion made it possible to be pierced with a spear without killing him. You can't "injure" water. Besides, "they [..] _saw_ that he was already dead" doesn't really mean anything. Visual aspect never proves deaths, except in cases of extreme injuries like beheading. Christians often use the spear piercing story as proof that he was actually dead. Well... with that "blood and _water_ " detail, it might actually be an explanation for the contrary. Pleural effusion fluid is usually slightly yellow like urine when it's freshly developed (e.g. in congestive heart failure), sometimes it's brown(ish) when it's a little more chronic (cancer, pleuritis..), and sometimes it's mixed with various amounts of blood, from a faint red to deep red (either as a contamination from the "piercing" injury or in situations like aggressive forms of pleuritis, cancer or tuberculosis (which was probably very frequent in ancient times). Such a slightly red tint may be this "blood and water". The spear piercing could even have been therapeutic, by removing some of the water and giving the lung more space to breath. A better inflation of the lungs in return also improves circulation, because it reduces the resistance that the right heart chamber has to work against (related to the so-called "Euler-Liljestrand mechanism") --> improved right chamber function means more blood flow through the lungs and therefore more blood return back to left atrium and left chamber --> improved blood pressure. Voilà.. magical "resurrection". Wouldn't it be funny if, after all, the whole resurrection myth and an entire religion are ultimately just based on one lucky guy who survived his crucifiction... ehm, sorry... crucifixion torture (and the spear piercing test to make sure he's really dead) due to something as profane as a case of tuberculosis?
Couldn't agree more Doc. As an Army medic and EMT, these are BASIC A&P solutions. People that are NOT in the medical field flock to this like moths to flames for ANY justification for their nonsense. Also , the one fact that they conveniently overlook is the fact that they (the Romans) didn't break Jesus' legs (tib/fib) like they did with the two criminals that were flanking Jesus. Instead they "punctured" his side and let it be. People 2000 years ago had NO IDEA what they were looking at, let alone properly diagnose and treat an ACTUAL medical emergency. Once he was down off of the cross, the "wound" would have self-sealed and the lung would be able to expand like normal. Also, once he was in the "tomb" and laying down, he had dressing material to cover the wound (clothes and burial garments). He would have regained consciousness and had 3 days to dig himself out.
UNBELIEVABLE. i have seen Dillahunty taking people apart, but this is a different level. every single thing the caller says, is rebutted. and not just that, but an explanation is given at the same time.
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Came for the theist burning, stayed for the history lesson
David Fitzgerald knows his shit. You should read his books. They will fill you in on a great deal of Christian history. He does for critical analysis of the Bible what Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris did to popularize the Atheist movement in America.
@Thomas Lundy Michael Grant has a terrible grammar though.
@Thomas Lundy his logic does not have any evidence to be supported though. Now, if you believe what he says I suggest you start working on your critical thinking and stop being an ass. Cheers
@Thomas Lundy You haven't provided any evidence apart from some quotes. Shall I school you on how to support one's ideas? I could also teach you how to write proper English.
@Thomas Lundy You have not presented the rest of the supporting evidence. Semicolon was poorly used there.
That dude picked the wrong day to call in.
hahaha tough look for my guy andrew 😂
Andrew is going in circles. Was hit with a cyclone! He has no idea how to defend his beliefs!
David Favel well sir its likely that Marry had a sugar daddy probably the persist and he put it in the wrong hole thus the bastard Christ was born and Joseph was just ignorant to this .
Lol! So right!
LOL I concur ..
damn.... David is vicious!!!!! I would never want to meet him in a dark library.
As a student of truth I'd LOVE to meet this guy ANYWHERE
He is a brood of vipers
@@bcjammer you will meet him in hell
Apostle of Jesus Christ so will you, you have the wrong religion
@@bcjammer implying that there's a right religion, bold... Foolish, but bold.
omg... that caller was so COMPLETELY outclassed. And Tracie's over there like "I'm just gonna go make popcorn." Ha!
😋 🍿
He has not done any Biblical History he did Bible Study with an apologetics study guide. Tragic when facing reality outside the bubble.
I wonder what andrew decided to do with his new arsehole ?
You Atheists with your facts and proof.
Mr Scott ikr, the audacity of someone to provide evidence and sources to back their claim lol
Aren't we just the worst?
The supernatural needs no proof or evidence as it is possible to imagine anything.
I know, right?
I'm tired of childish fairy tales told by frightened, superstitious people who want to take over the world so they can become wealthy and powerful.
Imagine a country ruled by an invisible, unknowable character with three separate personalities that lives in his magic kingdom in the clouds.
It's called a theocracy.
never witnessed a crucifixion but this video got pretty close
Too hot out here GOOD ONE!!
+Too hot out here - Well said. Have mercy on the Caller.
Good lord, man.
Too hot out here 😂😂 facts!!!
😂🤣🤣 WoW
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible."
Mark Twain
Good one! Hadn't heard that before.
Reading the Bible made me realise that sometime in the past it got misspelled and originally was *"The Buy Bull"*
@@warren52nz I always thought it was Wholly Babble.
@@mehrcat1 I like it. Even if someone else thought of Buy Bull my wife came up with that independently.
@@warren52nzHere are a few more religious puns, Jehovah's witless and for all the catholics out there The Immaculate Deception (Conception) and Our Lady of Perpetual Suckers (Succour).
“Mark is an eyewitness”
“How do you know that”
“Because he got his information from Peter...”
*Facepalm*
@@user-tr1eg5oq1k That sentence doesn’t make any sense. Ask them how they concluded what?
@ken thomas And please don't forget the "Toothfairy"
The mathematical golden ratio ( fibonacci sequence) is proof enough for the almighty
Borrowing from Paul to pay Mary?
@@johniec5282 Which Mary? lol This can have drastically different ramifications depending on which mary you are talking about...
This guy is awesome! His knowledge of the Bible is so complete that the Christian is totally out of his depth even talking about his own holy book. Lol! Best show ever!
Mr. Alexander not really..considering he didnt even know what synoptic gospels are..
Jon Booker eithet way and who cares..distracted by least of all..wow..but thx grammer nazi..lol
I think he knew what they were, he was just asking the caller to explain for the audience. It wasn't because he didn't actually know
+Mr. Alexander. David Fitzgerald knows his shit. You should read his books. They will fill you in on a great deal of Christian history. He does for critical analysis of the Bible what Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris did to popularize the Atheist movement in America.
*Thomas Lundy. Mr. Alexander, Michael Grant--In his book Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels, Atheist historian Michael Grant completely rejected the idea that Jesus never existed:*
First, there is no such thing as an "Atheist historian," nor should it matter what religion a historian (any historian) chooses to follow. Second, to couch it in this manner, you are leading the reader to a conclusion that does not exist. Historians do not research and study history BASED upon their religious beliefs, they research and study history based upon HISTORY. This is an Appeal to Authority fallacy.
And finally, so what? Richard Carrier, also an "Atheist Historian" (to use your misleading terminology) does not believe that Jesus Christ can be considered to have been an historical figure. Now what? Two "Atheist Historians," two divergent opinions.
I am sure that you can find any number of historians, both Biblical and secular who will tell you that Jesus Christ, in their opinion, existed as a historical figure. However, none can present you with concrete empirical evidence to support that claim, either.
What everyone, historian and lay person alike wants demonstrated is the supernatural claims about Jesus Christ as found in the Bible are true. Can they be corroborated (of course they can't.) Few, if anyone, are concerned with the mere EXISTENCE of the historical Jesus, because whether or not he existed is irrelevant without the miracle accounts. Without these, he would have been nothing more that simply another rabbi who was executed by a Roman court (and there were several of those.)
So, I ask again, based upon what you have posted here from Michael Grant....so what?
They should have kept this going. This dude is so fascinating. He needs a podcast just about The Un-historical life of Jesus.
he wrote a book...or 5...
And many videos on TH-cam.
These calls should be recorded as evidence of the impact of religion on the developing human brain.
Right! It was such a good back and forth idk why they ended it bUT they'll go back and forth for an hour about theists logical semantic arguments.
AMEN,no UNMEN!!
Tracie’s patience in all of this, is beyond sainthood. This was awesome.
She is my religion now
Agreed. How they tolerated this guy...SMH
She's always awesome. And patient. Always.
She left probably not that long after this. She was the best
She was just letting David cook lol
I really enjoyed The David Fitzgerald Experience.
David is stunningly smart... Intriguing and a joy to listen to. Tracie is my hero... She's awesome.
The guy knows his stuff. Impressive.
Rainbow Dave????
@@user-lg3nc6qq2j What does that mean, exactly?
@@TheOrcasRule Not sure if I should tell you: maybe I will, maybe I won't.
Both are from hell
I had to pause this video 16 minutes in, just so I could light a candle for Andrew. There is just no recovering from such a lethal dose of reality.
The shame about being a well educated Atheist is all the time you have to spend debugging the Bible. Matt and Andrew et al really bit the bullet for the rest of us. Thank you so much for the work you do.
The biggest shame is that atheists spend so much time analyzing and reflecting on the veracity and historicity of books like the bible, then have to deal with theists that really just do not want to listen to the truth about them. And I'd argue that's accurate for the vast majority of theists. They don't want truth, they want familiar comforting lies.
21:50 Notice at this point that this theist has had at least 10, 15 of his claims refuted.... and he simply keeps going like the Black Knight in Monty Python.
Brooklyn Avenue great analogy.
Adam Vicari 😂 😆 😝 funny, ain’t it?
It's just a flesh wound! Lmfao 🤣😂😂
I am INVINCIBLE!!!
'tis just a scratch!
24:42
Andrew: "Can i just ask one more question?"
Tracie: "No, because then he'll give you an answer" ROLMFAO
Rolling on laughing my floor ass off?
@@mikealexander2005 Well observed Mike.
@infinit sky. You couldn't even be bothered to get the acronym right.
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Why isn't Tracie calling the fire department for all these burns?
Burgruk Wartooth lololololol
Latent Sadism~?
Burgruk Wartooth Burn's are what atheists will have waiting for them in the next life when they get their lol
@@jeziscricket4448 Is funny that the only thing you can do is to threaten those who don't agree with you, instead of giving a good reason to believe in your mafioso skydaddy.
But i guess that is the only thing we can expect from deluded idiots.
@@Julian0101 This is my good reason to you
The Lord said to Moses, command the israelites to send away from the camp anyone who has infected there skin or affected there bodily function of any kind and is ceremonially unclean due to there polluted minds.
The best proof that Jesus is real is scientology, he saved scientology from paying a $800,000 tax bill, thank you Jesus.
"A lot of people dont know the history of the early Christian church" he says to an early Christian church historian.
That caller ran into a buzz saw.
Face first into a scholarly woodchipper.
The problem with Christianity is the difficulty Christians have trying to figure out their own dogma.
Andrew: "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong.
Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong.
Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong.
Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong.
Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong.
Andrew: (switches to something else) "Well, let's start with...." David: Proves him wrong.
This guy is trying really hard to convince himself he is right, with David easily shutting him down.
This is the CLASSIC example of the average Christian who really knows nothing about early Christian history, the creation of the Bible, or who actually wrote the damn Gospels!
Recently discovered the channel so I'm a bit late here, jumping around through all these clips I believe he has been on before (or maybe in future). He talks like he found a pamphlet on an apologetic topic, reads it out loud, then just drops what ever line he just read when refuted. These arguments aren't his own or even something he seems to have done any research himself on.
@@JohnDoe-ku4jj That could essentially sum up how theists in general argue. Because the arguments don't matter.
The game isn't to actually get to the truth. They already "know" the truth; god is their presupposition that they believe without evidence and for no rational reason, and all the "arguments" and "evidence" that they throw out is just a smokescreen that it's tossed out to protect that presupposition. That's why theists are very rarely phased to discover their arguments are flawed, and will often even REPEAT those arguments after they've been shown to be false, because they literally do not care about the truth of the arguments.
The arguments are the scaffolding erected around the beliefs they will often continue to hold no matter what and that is the only purpose they serve.
@Quincy Breed You shouldnt make an impromptu call in my opinion. At least pick a topic and do abit of research on it. Many people have done in the past, all to no avail. You have to face the facts that the run-of-the-mill theist christian knows very little about apologetics and when they try to put forth an argument that they think is convincing but gets shut down by logic and basic critical thinking, it really shows who is more educated. Atheists are not going to remote villages to preach science and basically force people to be an atheist. That's what theists do. Go to villages, build houses for them, basically be indebted to the christians, and in return they have to worship a god, no questions. You tell me who's being sneaky.
@Quincy Breed And if the Muslims are right, and you have to face Allah? The same punishment awaits you.. Have you lost any sleep, pondering that you might be wrong, and the Muslims are right? They have a book that says they're right, too.
Now you know why your threats of hell don't scare us. The scary thing is, no matter which god you believe in, the majority of mankind does NOT believe in that god. Considering that eternal hell is the punishment for non belief, you'd think that a god would have nade his existence less ambiguous, and that belief in "god" wouldn't follow geographic lines. That's only what you'd expect if EVERY religion was made up.
@@SteveHardie42
>And if the Muslims are right, and you have to face Allah
Allah is the same God of Abraham
Ever witnessed the theological equivalent of a snowball flying into a flame-thrower? You have now.
Good profile picture. LOVE 💖
@@jemvee3830 Greatest album of all time! You're the first person to ever comment. All my love to you!
It's so easy for the atheists in arguments , it takes a Bill Craig or a a Bishop Barron to debate effectively with them
@@anthonyparkinson5544 Actually there is no effective debate against an educated Atheist about religious nonsense. It doesn't exist
I have never been more impressed by a host, ever. Insane performance by David.
"911? Hello, police? I'd like to report a murder."
Kelsey Robinson subsequent investigation indicates the wounds were self-inflicted
haha
More like a massacre
that was a rape.
@@Codswallop58 It's ok. He's with jeebus now🙏
If there were a real god we wouldn't be debating his existence.
Cherry picking champs
That is so true, I say the same thing myself all the time
SO all other theories are not real because we debate their veracity ? You have exposed your untrained mind .
@@rdhudon7469 Last time I checked we develop theories to explain natural phenomenon...not supernatural deities. You have exposed your ignorance.
RD Hudon ...Jesus’ alleged lifetime ended when he was allegedly crucified. Hence, there are exactly *zero* known contemporary accounts of Jesus, his life, his ministry, his trial, and his death.
Not a single scrap of contemporary writing about Jesus from a single scribe, priest, government official, military officer, or literate human being is known to exist. For a god man who performed unprecedented miracles in front of multitudes of people in the relatively literate society of Ancient Rome, I find this a bit odd.
By the way, Josephus was not a contemporary of Jesus, as Josephus was born in 37 A.D. Also, Josephus’ writings which mention Jesus were written in 93-94 A.D....nowhere near contemporary.
I find it amazing that these "believers" use a book of fiction as evidence.
1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
And as historical truth...insane! I've known at an early age, even though going to a Lutheran school, and you know the Germans are so loving and kind, that Noah was BS. SO if you lie to me once how can I believe you over and over.
The caller: “bu-but my anecdotes!”
I'm in love with David. He's teaching the kids. I love the fact that Tracie is just there quiet allowing the guest to shine.
THAT'S how you host!
If you have someone call in with an argument which is your guest hosts literal specialty, you drink your coffee and enjoy the show.
🤷🏼♂️😆👍
Protect the kids
And David can prove that Jesus didn't exist ?
@@user-ki1un4jg2d No. He can only offer the argument that best supports the evidence, which is that Jesus never existed. If you took people who never heard of Christianity and taught them what Christianity is, had them read the Bible, and then had them speak to a guy like David and and Bible believer, I think 99.99% of people would take the position Jesus never existed
What a slaughter. I just ordered the book. He took that guy's bible right out of his hands and beat him about the head with it. Blood all over the walls. Shoulda paid more attention in Sunday school, buddy.
That is part of the problem with paying attention in Sunday school. The Christians only teacher the children what is their preferred bible stories. Never going to learn anything factual about real history from Sunday school.
I don't think it would have helped him to pay attention at all. I mean he just basically would have REALLY known all his bullshit. Still bullshit nonetheless. I wish a priest would call in.
@@richardsanchez9190 1) If Jesus is only salvation, then God is unfair, because Americas, South Africa, Far East, North Europe, Oceania were kept in dark, never heard about Jesus for 1500 years. 2) If people can be saved without Jesus, then Bible is unnecessary. 3) If Bible is necessary to make people better beings and increase their chance of heaven, then God is again unfair for providing such book to some and not to others.
@@goranmilic442 I agree. The whole bible and religion doesnt make sense. Like I said it's all bullshit.
@@goranmilic442 ah that's the reason they gave for colonizing everywhere probably. Giving them a book
I have to come back and watch this dismantling again every now and then.
Andrew is one of those very, very annoying believers who never once acknowledge in a discussion that 'perhaps' he is misinformed, or just plain wrong. He rattles off erroneous assumptions one after the other like he's not even listening to a guy who clearly knows a shit load more than he does. Well done David!
I love how he just keeps clobbering the Christian with facts.
Remember Homer Simpson´s words: don´t let yourself be fooled by facts :)
What facts?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 Sounds like someone needs to watch the video again and do some reading.
@@Vivi2372 Watching it once was torture enough
@@choicemeatrandy6572 I imagine it would feel that way if you actually believe the nonsense in the Bible.
Theist, on his 10th attempt: "wellllll, we can start with..." No you have already started and your first 9 attempts have been quashed by this guy.
"Not an expert in textual criticism" - well, then you don't stand a chance against people who have actually read and studied the Bible and the history of Christianity.
heard andrew a few times....he seems a nice guy though very gullible
This particular episode of the show is perhaps the best one I have viewed to date. David's answers were so complete and thorough. Thank you so much, David. Andrew was completely decimated, but he would not admit he was completely wrong about almost everything.
I've never seen an 8 year old fight a sumo wrestler before.
It's pretty brutal.
Yet I can't look away.
I could never argue this well because I don't care enough about theology to research all this stuff.
That's a great point. On the one hand I hate being ignorant and unable to answer theists but on the other hand I have a very strong gut notion that this stuff is all bs and why should I waste my time studying just to try to refute bs.
The other thing is that I suspect to really understand even the books written by David Fitzgerald you would have to do a lot of research to really understand the context. Otherwise you just because someone who believes what you read and you don't critically investigate it for yourself which also is not good
@@MTBrenneman Awesome reply.
@shaking like tremolo or Batman from the comic books -- and New York City is real, therefore Batman MUST be real, too!
@@MTBrenneman
Totally agree. Waste of time.
Science Compliance just bring up the countless scientific and historic inaccuracies, it’s enough to make them run for the hills.
Forget the Gospels, this video is a testament to Tracie's patience. I think I love her.
Every few months, I keep coming back to this video. Easily one of the greatest episodes in the entire history of this show.
they found the grave of pontus pilate so that proves santa claus
Nathan El, we consider the origin of the bible. It didn't exist in the form it does today until the First Ecumenical Coucil of Nicea. It was here the western religious material was heavily edited. This editing and translation was done by Romans. All Roman history, contained in the bible, was written by romans who knew their history very well. Finding Pontius Pilot doesn't prove the existence of Jesus. Monty Python had more to prove Bigus Dickus than you have of proving Jesus.
Carlton Carlton
I know Santa exists I’ve sat on his knee - or was that a priest ? Damn now I’m not so certain any more.
Carlton Carlton GOOD ONE!
Nathan El I have no problem with Jesus existing. But he was not God or any supernatural being. He was just a man.
Get you head out of the 1st century and join the rest of us in the 21st century.
You talk about values?! It is Christians that blow up abortion clinics killing people, it is Christian parents not allowing their children to receive medical care thinking their magic sky daddy will save their baby. And of course the infant dies. It was two Christian men that beat a gay man to death and they claimed they were doing God's work.
You people make me sick!
John Morris I would say 'Preach' lol
This clip forced me to by David’s “Nailed” book and it’s phenomenal.
One of my all-time favorite AXP episodes. Fitzgerald brings the heat.
And instead of just talking , Fitzgerald can prove that Jesus didn't exist ?
I almost feel sorry for this caller, every time he tried to make a point, David drowned him in facts. The poor caller didn’t even know that the gospels weren’t written by Matthew, Mark, or Luke, which is pretty much biblical history 101.
He has not done any Biblical History he did Bible Study with an apologetics study guide. Tragic when facing reality outside the bubble.
Man...I loved this episode! And Fitzgerald was brutally amazing! I'm very knowledgeable about history and religious history, but this man just made want to go to the library and just research all day long. Thank you TAE for your channel, you just got another subscriber.
David Fitzgerald knows his shit. You should read his books. They will fill you in on a great deal of Christian history. He does for critical analysis of the Bible what Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris did to popularize the Atheist movement in America.
@@michaeldobson107 but
@@robwhyte2830 But what?
For a guy who knows his shit, he didn't even mention the Q, which although unproven, is widely accepted as the source for parallels in Matthew/Luke not found in Mark. He also doesn't mention the letters of Paul, parts of which preserve tradition accepted to be within years of the actual events. It seems like a blaring omission not to mention the Quell. It would be like talking about the source material for the Pentateuch without mentioning the Documentary Hypothesis.
Andrew - Holy crap, I called in on the wrong day!
Absolutely toasted. Schooled on his own book.
"Hey, Matt isn't on today! I could call in! It'll be easy without their heavy-hitter!"
--Proceeds to get a heavy-duty fact enema.
"Well...... ____."
Oggy Oggy I’ve never seen a more entertaining episode.
"That is adorable!" - best answer of the whole exchange.
This exchange brings to mind, "Bambi vs Godzilla"
David completely out bibled the bible thumper and a great history lessen too
It's not only amazing that Fitzgerald has a complete knowledge of his subject, but that he's able to recall any detail without hesitation. I wish I had the brain cells to do that.
I LOVE how Fitzgerald looks like he is just having more and more fun with the caller as he gets pissed.
At minute 24:30 we discover that all the previous dialogue simply bounced off Andrew and floated away. That must be so frustrating if you just spoke (expertly) for 20+ minutes and the person you’re speaking with simply ignored everything you said.
"We have 42 witnesses"
...
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No doubt just running down a list of gotchas to trap atheists and failing miserably
Par for the course mate
"Alexa, order Nailed by David Fitzgerald from Amazon."
I love how Christians “just know “ lol. They refer to the Bible when they forget or just don’t know that it has been retranslated,re-edited and rewritten more times than anyone can count so you can’t claim it to be the word of god.
Imagine people refusing to believe that a book was written, edited, and published by humans.
Imagine choosing mental chaos over critical thinking.
As much as I enjoy listening to and trying to learn from Matt, sometimes I am left with some confusion over the terms or arguments used. I think a lot of it is just Matt's speaking style goes right over my head as I am trying to piece things together. David's explanation of proper citing of historic authenticity helped clear up some misunderstandings and confusion I had been having.
I can only imagine the caller’s facial expression as his arguments are dismantled.
Telsonater I’d say Andrew’s face was completely blank. Andrew simply wasn’t taking in anything David said- he just dismisses it all as “criticism” and doubles down on his original claim that the gospels were eyewitness accounts written by contemporaries of Jesus.
@@kathyheyne8610 Sadly, I agree. It’s sad, really!
This is beyond sad. The guy, Andrew, clearly is honest about his beliefs and desperately wants to defend them. Completely ignoring facts and evidence and points to anecdotal scripts and claims to just prove his point. This is what indoctrination does kids.
Indoctrination is truly one of the most sadistic weapons mankind has ever devised. Most of my family are old earth creationists who solely depend on the bible and I was for a good chunk of my life. Now they respect my disbelief in any god, but they still think I'm going to hell and it hurts but coming from that indoctrination and understanding just what a grip it has on people it doesn't bother me that much. I won't deny it, there are times in my day when I still wonder what happens if I'm wrong, do I go to hell. I stopped believing in god about 4 years ago. It's like an addiction and you still have those fixes you want sometimes to feel good. It's insane, and I hear my family talking about how everyone around them is being indoctrinated to believe god doesn't exist and they like to point me out, not in front of me but it's impossible to think that they are willing to say it about everyone else, just not me. Side note, they are also huge conspiracy theorists, which I feel most of dictate a necessity of a belief in god to make sense of them. Pretty sure my mother believes the chemtrails are the reason behind my transition from christanity into atheist agnostic. At the end of the day, reading the bible is what caused me to accept who I am and one could say the bible truly did free me.
no doubt. andrew is a striking example of the lack of critical thinking & blind acceptance of dogma.
The problem is no one has sat down with him and actually presented the real facts to him. This is why the myths continue to this day. It has to be and has to come from an individuals acceptance, because thats how it was taught. You cant un-train a "personal training" with a megaphone aimed at a crowd. I guarantee you if every Christian fundy sat down across from someone like David Fitzgerald, and the actual documented truth they could read, they would all change their minds and become skeptical and eventually turn Atheist or Agnostic.
Ignoring what facts
The canon period
I blame it on a litany of bullshitting Christian apologists that unfortunately mess up the heads of the faithful.
Isn't it amazing how those folks who fervently believe their religions are the ones who know the least about them?
BOOM!
No. It just makes sense. Their ignorance is one of the main reasons they're fervently religious.
@@kyleserrecchia5300
Absolutely right. The more you know, the harder it is to believe the crazy.
The only person who displayed not knowing anything about Christianity here is David Fitzgerald.
Randy Couture If you think so, call in.
Caller: "We don't have any evidence of Alexander the Great's life until 200 years after his death."
David Fitzgerald: "That's adorable!"
Savage, David! Nicely done!!
WAIT…the earliest source we have for Alexander the Great was recorded 300 years after his death?? And the best sources we have for him are Plutarch and Arian, who wrote 425 to 450 years after he died???
So why the hell do atheists think he existed but not Jesus????? Jesus’ earliest source is 5 years after he died, and Paul wrote about him 18 years after he died!!! Like, what the fuck, atheists?? Explain yourselves now.
This is like those movie fight scenes where the trainer is yelling to his boxer " stay down kid or get out the corner he's killing you"!
It pretty much changed into a lecture but a very interesting one!
Santa lives! If he doesn't, I've wasted big bucks on milk and cookies. (Seriously, David and Tracy are stars.)
Perfect day for this guy to call in. It always peeves me when theists call in on days that experts in the field they're questioning are absent and then act like they're correct because they "stumped" the host on something. Perfect response, well done. I'm definitely going to search for more videos where you're hosting, David.
Who is this David guy? Wow!!!! Amazing how he doesn't even need to hear the whole argument from the caller and he knows what he's getting at, then nips it in the bud right away!!!
Wow! Thank you for this introduction!
This caller is waaaaaaay out of his league. but to be fair every theist is way our of his/her league when arguing with educated people
Religion is the way of childish dependency on make believe.
So I guess you don't know where universities came from , the modern scientific method , How about those Jesuits with their research labs and observatories all over the world . Ignorance comes from all sides . You are a fine example of the simplistic ignorance of the less educated atheist . Basic psychology shows us that some will put others down to edify their own position and is usually done out of frustration and insecurity .You are definitely out of your league.
@@rdhudon7469 you mean like you just did?
@@SNORKYMEDIA oof, rib shot.
@@rdhudon7469 Do you want some Flamzene for that burn?
Did you hear that? That's the sound of knowledge dropping!
7:10 "The napkin religion is true, because it says right here on the napkin." 😆
According to this callers logic we have over 500 Million pieces of evidence that Harry Potter existed.
This guy seems to know his subject matter very well. its frustrating the jesus freak.
'No, because then he'll give you an answer'....Tracie is so pleasantly blunt.
If dogs believed in a dog god, what would the Ten Commandments be for dogs ?
1. Thou shalt not wag at any other dog god.
2. Thou shalt not chew a plastic bone.
3. Thou shalt not bark up the wrong tree.
4. Thou shalt sleep all day on Saturday.
5. Thou shalt not sniff the bottoms of thy parents.
6. Thou shalt not bite another dog,
7. Thou shalt not run away from your owner.
8. Thou shalt not chew a bone that belongs to another dog.
9. Thou shalt not bark when there is no reason to bark.
10. Thou shalt not sniff the bottom of the dog next door.
So amazing. I love seeing a professional, that did the work, blood sweat and tears, to discover the truth of this religion. I will keep a eye out for this guest show host
Christian got schooled on his own book AND THEN SOME!! Thank you for enlightening the world just a little bit more!! LOVE YOUR SHOW!! ALOHA FROM HAWAII!! 😎👌
Many christians today don't even read the book they believe in.
@@JamesRichardWiley -- They neither care about of live by it. Yet they wonder why no one believes a word they say.
The poor caller didn't have a chance
Atheist Christopher Hitchens used to instruct Christians in their own beliefs when he debated them.
David Fitzgerald was brilliant here. I wish he could be a guest more often.
I love the scene in the Life of Brian, where the John Cleese character says, 'He's truely the massiah, I should know, I've followed a few'... Just like guru's in India, they're thick on the ground.. Jusus was probably a real person but not the person we've been led to believe. Myth has overtaken the reality.. In a polytheistic world it pays to give your god attributes others don't have. A monotheistic god trumps them all... I would guess Constantine saw christianity as a way of uniting the troops around a single god, giving them common purpose. Its known the version of christianity chosen was favoured by the military of the time.. Subjugation of women etc...
If Jesus existed he was just some random guy uttering platitudes about life and religion. Without the extraordinary claims being true or even possible, he might as well not have existed at all.
Correct you just a small meaningless guy who had his particular message which was nothing like the message of the Bible which was corrupted fiction Mythos almost 200 years later we already know that but people tend to forget about the other gospels they they think John is the lead when it's not Mark is the lead Matthew and Luke.
Incredible! This is one of the best shows you guys have ever produced. I love all of you guys but Divid Fitzgerald was out of this world on this show. Can you invite him more often? I was amazed by his level of knowledge, clarity, and consistence (if I were a christian, I would never call the show when Matt or this guy are on the air).
Omg, when I saw the title of this episode, I immediately thought of David Fitzgerald. I had no idea he was actually guest hosting. Nice!
Christian logic is hilarious, it's so entertaining ,they twist every point to
fit the narrative. This is indicative of how the bible was written in the first place.
It's amazing that Jesus could do all these "amazing" miracles, but he could write his own damn book.
Never start an argument with someone that know way the heck more than you do on the topic.
This caller has ZERO critical thinking skills and I mean ZERO. I hope he reads these comments. His logic is so flawed. He probably owns an igloo in Florida.
Wendelin Thiel lmfaooo oh my goodness
+Wendelin Thiel
Next to a sinkhole Trump sold him.
Wow, excellent post
An Igloo in Floida?? LOL Great comment. Still laughing!
An igloo in Florida? That was funny!! Thank you for the laugh.
Just ordered , "Nailed" on Amazon. Looking forward to getting it.
Seriously this guy and his knowledge on how the bible was written and the actual history and context provided is by far THE MOST INTERESTING thing ive ever heard on this show.
Hey Bible Boy. They were writing books before the printing press!
Tracey did a great impersonation of a statue 😁
She's working really hard to detain herself from jumping in, talking over them both. Matt could have learned a lot from her if he had wanted to.
@@thewhat531 Matt’s an egomaniac.
“He might as well have been wearing it on a T-shirt.” Please bring David back on the show more often. He is so well spoken. well read, and very knowledgeable. Let’s not forget a sense of humor as well! Wow, that was entertaining.
LOVED THIS EPISODE. BRING HIM BACK. I am not talking about Andrew.
Tracy looks scared... Oh wait... There's a smile from her... This guy knows his shit man... He has clearly read and studied the Bible... Kudos sir..
Atheists are generally better versed in the Wholly Babble than Christians.
I mean when someone lays things out this clearly and simply for someone, it baffles me how they can still contest. I just think their mind switches off the moment you start speaking.
In all my life I have never met an Arab called John, Mark, Peter or Luke?
Kudos to David. Well done my friend. I have worked with many over the years and you stand out as very well informed on these issues. Again, thank you.
Did Alexander the Great exist?
Alexander III of Macedon, commonly known as Alexander the Great, was a king of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon and a member of the Argead dynasty. He was born in Pella in 356 BCE and succeeded his father Philip II to the throne at the age of twenty. He spent most of his ruling years on an unprecedented military campaign through Asia and northeast Africa, and he created one of the largest empires of the ancient world by the age of thirty, stretching from Greece to north western India. He was undefeated in battle and is widely considered one of history's most successful military commanders.
He also had a city named after him Alexandria. Alexandria is a port city on the Mediterranean Sea in northern Egypt founded in 331 BCE by Alexander the Great. There are many more places that bear his name up to 50 at this time. There are also many physical artefacts from his time that bear his name and image, that include busts and statues, coinage and many other physical items of evidence connected to a real person.
So did he exist... What do you think?
By the way. Not one physical piece of evidence has actually been connected to Christ. Just saying... :-)
Alexander had a dozen of cities named after him, but only one became prosperous. ;)
Except for over 10,000 manuscripts, over 500 eyewitnesses, artifacts that bear his name, statues of him, and so many more artifacts that can link Jesus back to a real person. No evidence? Jesus was real and the evidence proves it. There is more for Jesus than Ceaser.
@Sam Bacon Prove it.
@@user-rf2tn8mk3f you are kidding me ..
@Sam Bacon "You don't prove a negative you moron"
People who resort to name calling have already lost the argument. Present something better. You have appealed to the ad hominem fallacy already. What other logical fallacies do you wish to offer the unthinking world?
"Post your evidence supporting your claims, and absolutely NOTHING from any book of the Bible counts."
For your information, the Bible is not a purely religious text based set of articles. The Bible of today is nothing more a complete collection of the things that have already been written down in history from other places. To dismiss the entire Bible, you can, but you would also be dismissing every other piece of history found inside that is valid as well as outside. If nothing from the Bible counts, you are dismissing the Bible only. You are not dismissing that you can put the Bible back together from outside credible sources and end up with it again.
Ok fine. I will provide evidence for my claims. The first one (over 10,000 manuscripts)
For the sake of time, I will not add over 10,000 as this post would be too long.
Here are at least 8 to get you started.
Bodmer Papyrus II
The Diatessaron
John Rylands MS
Chester Beatty Papyri
Codex Alexandrinus
Codex Sinaiticus
Codex Vaticanus
Codex Bezae Cantabrigiensis
Second, over 500 eyewitnesses:
Paul wrote a letter. In there he describes that these witnesses to the resurrected Jesus include the Apostle Peter, James the brother of Jesus, and, most intriguingly, a group of more than 500 people at the same time.
(Again, if you are saying nothing from the Bible counts, I don't need it to still use the New Testament writings. These writings exist outside of the Bible too. See above)
Many New Testament scholars would not dispute that some of Jesus’ followers believed they had seen him alive only weeks or months after his death.
Bart Ehrman, a prominent New Testament scholar who is outspoken about his agnosticism, states:
“What is certain is that the earliest followers of Jesus believed that Jesus had come back to life, in the body, and that this was a body that had real bodily characteristics: It could be seen and touched, and it had a voice that could be heard.”
One of two things can happen. One, everybody was hallucinating the exact same thing at the exact same time. That would be more of a miracle than Christ himself, or you will refute the historical sources found elsewhere as religious and unreliable. If you choose the second, you must not care about history at all. In that case, it is hopeless to convince you.
Third, artifacts that bear his name:
Annals (Tacticus)
The Testimonium Flavianum (Josephus)
Fourth, statues.
You have never seen a statue or bust of Jesus? LOL. Google it.
"Can I ask him another question?"
"NOOO!!!! Because he'll give you an answer!" XD
I took classes on the history of christianity while i was a religious studies minor in college. This gentleman (not the caller - the expert sitting next to Tracie) knows what he is talking about. The evidence Christians usually point outside of the bible for the historicity of jesus is very weak indeed and to my eye appears to merely a description of what christians and how they would describe themselves (ie they worship a guy who was crucified during the reign on Pontias Pilate).
If I say that Eric Foreman was a high school student who lived in Wisconsin in the 1970s whose parents were Red and Kitty Foreman and I describe things he did with his friends such as trying to paint the town watertower and falling off it is a reasonable and accurate description of him but does not make him non-fictional.
This was the best conversation I e heard on this show. So informative
The Romans would NEVER let "Jesus" be taken down. The point of crucifixion was to humiliate both the offender and his family. The corpses were left to rot on the crosses. This was particularly galling to Jews who required that all blood etc be gathered and buried with the body.
I also don't think they would have let anyone close enough to the crucifixion to hear what he said
Barnaby ap Robert
Thank You!!!! I've tried to explain this several times to many different theist. Also, the entire crucifixion makes no sense as well the particular crucifix itself.
The Christians have the "t" cross as their symbol but during that particular time period only the "X" style cross was being used and the "T" (upper case) style cross was just being invented.
But even the trial never added up, anything dealing with religion would be handled solely by the Pharisee, Rome wouldn't interfere with a religious fallout from NON-ROMAN/NON-citizens. In addition, how did they immediately hold council with Pilat and immediately have his attention. The Pharisees with have full right to just stone the heretic (jesus).
ALSO, if Barnabus was being executed for killing a Roman Centurian, Ceasar said himself "if ANY person would strike a Centurian OR take his life, thus it shall be taken as an assault or attempt to take the life of Caesar himself!!"
Barnabus was convicted of several rapes and the Centurian murder, if Pilat set him free in exchange of crucifying a jew who in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM had broken the Laws of Rome or Spoke evil against Caesar; Pilat would be subject to severe discipline (possibly including his own death) under the Laws of Rome.
Plus the death was during the holy days of Pasha, so NO one would be allowed to even touch the body and Roman forbade the burying of crucified prisoners/slaves.
History in and of itself denies and greatly disagrees with the bible, not just people...
Barnaby ap Robert Very true. They left you up their to rot and for the animals. And you were nude! No cloth covering your naughty bits like the movies show.
Historical Biblical Research Yes, also very silly. You couldn't talk either. You could barely breath. And you were to busy moaning and screaming in pain. But in the Bible it's as if everyone is sitting in the living room having an intimate conversation. HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET?
Courtney D. Waller The Romans took curcification from a North African tribe who nailed or tied people to an x cross. The Romans changed it to the "T" because it was more painful on the joints. I don't know if the Roman ever used the "X" cross. Could be true. Doesn't matter....The story is bullshit anyway. Interesting however.
Always nice to see someone educated in the babble, I mean bible, be able to hand the caller their lunch on a plate.
The Holey Babble or Buybull ....
*John 19:33-34 is indeed medically interesting and I'd like to debunk it from my standpoint as a clinical physician in internal medicine:*
_"But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and blood and water flowed out immediately"_
The only way this makes sense medically (=also explaining the "water" part) is in a person who has a pleural effusion, i.e. a collection of water between between chest wall and lung. This can easily go as deep as 10 cm, or even more when measured below the base of the lung. It's actually a situation where a person could be pierced by a spear without injuring any vital organs. In my clinical practise, I've inserted long needles into such collections of water for drainage purposes hundreds of times, without injuring anything (sounds worse than it is; if done correctly, with or without local anasthesia people usually feel hardly anything, because the water within the pleural cavity of course has no pain sensation and the puncture through the chest wall can be done in a quick move within a tenth of a second). IF(!) there ever was a historical Jesus, this would be a logical explanation for the "resurrection": because he never died. A pleural effusion made it possible to be pierced with a spear without killing him. You can't "injure" water. Besides, "they [..] _saw_ that he was already dead" doesn't really mean anything. Visual aspect never proves deaths, except in cases of extreme injuries like beheading. Christians often use the spear piercing story as proof that he was actually dead. Well... with that "blood and _water_ " detail, it might actually be an explanation for the contrary. Pleural effusion fluid is usually slightly yellow like urine when it's freshly developed (e.g. in congestive heart failure), sometimes it's brown(ish) when it's a little more chronic (cancer, pleuritis..), and sometimes it's mixed with various amounts of blood, from a faint red to deep red (either as a contamination from the "piercing" injury or in situations like aggressive forms of pleuritis, cancer or tuberculosis (which was probably very frequent in ancient times). Such a slightly red tint may be this "blood and water". The spear piercing could even have been therapeutic, by removing some of the water and giving the lung more space to breath. A better inflation of the lungs in return also improves circulation, because it reduces the resistance that the right heart chamber has to work against (related to the so-called "Euler-Liljestrand mechanism") --> improved right chamber function means more blood flow through the lungs and therefore more blood return back to left atrium and left chamber --> improved blood pressure. Voilà.. magical "resurrection".
Wouldn't it be funny if, after all, the whole resurrection myth and an entire religion are ultimately just based on one lucky guy who survived his crucifiction... ehm, sorry... crucifixion torture (and the spear piercing test to make sure he's really dead) due to something as profane as a case of tuberculosis?
Couldn't agree more Doc. As an Army medic and EMT, these are BASIC A&P solutions. People that are NOT in the medical field flock to this like moths to flames for ANY justification for their nonsense. Also , the one fact that they conveniently overlook is the fact that they (the Romans) didn't break Jesus' legs (tib/fib) like they did with the two criminals that were flanking Jesus. Instead they "punctured" his side and let it be. People 2000 years ago had NO IDEA what they were looking at, let alone properly diagnose and treat an ACTUAL medical emergency. Once he was down off of the cross, the "wound" would have self-sealed and the lung would be able to expand like normal. Also, once he was in the "tomb" and laying down, he had dressing material to cover the wound (clothes and burial garments). He would have regained consciousness and had 3 days to dig himself out.
UNBELIEVABLE. i have seen Dillahunty taking people apart, but this is a different level. every single thing the caller says, is rebutted. and not just that, but an explanation is given at the same time.