Guy can't you get something worthy doing than making foolish contents about churches all in the name of being real....now you've stop Apostle Joshua Selman, now it is Winners Chapel. There is this church member of ours who has being misguided by your upsurd content and he thinks there is no point going to church. He feels it is not worthy committing to any church all in the name of beingreal...Sir please stop this contents about men of God and start a church. let us come and see the light. Thank You Sir
Honestly this is one analysis you have done that's absolutely devoid of sentiments. It changed my view of the whole "saga". What i see and worry about is that the word church is more like an organisation now than a spiritual refuge. It safer to go to church nowadays, worship and leave, not concerning yourself with the messy politics in the leadership, it can destroy your faith. Am not even interested in service units anymore because there is politics there too. ..just guard your heart and if possible don't even get close to any pastor, else you will see things, you will hear things....
That's me dear,I don't mix myself with leadership of the church,,churches are definitely turned into politics,they are even fighting for positions,the glory of God has left the church indeed
Your comment is absolutely apt. They that worship must do so in spirit and truth. This is not talking about singing songs of worship but more about the posture of our hearts before God. Our focus shouldn't be on organizational politics or hero worship but on Jesus.
I took this decision 12years ago....best decision of my life. Focus on your God and maintain your lane so you will not hear or see things. Exactly as you have analysed it
What I see in all of these is multiplication by division. Bishop Abioye will continue to labour in God's Vineyards by nurturing more sheep elsewhere. To God Be the Glory.
Running a church is hard, i respect Oyedepo this far, no church has ever been perfect, especially large ones, still love both Bishops in the spirit of being in the body of Christ, wish them all well
Greetings from the United States, friends. Let's be clear: there's nothing wrong with anointed men having inner issues and parting ways. Importantly also, nothing is wrong with believers -- stakeholders of the Church -- discussing these things. Apostle Paul & Apostle Barnabas - more anointed than any ministers in our time - had major disagreement, and they parted way. And the All-wise God Who the "secret things belong to," chose to disclose the incident in Scriptures. The only advice is, let's do it RESPECTFULLY and pray for Bishop Abioye and Papa Oyedepo and the Church of Jesus Christ at large.🙏
Your analysis is top notch, am not a nigerian but trust me in my country this issue of camps is normal among church leadership. Some are actually good while others are just for selfish gains. my desire is that at the end let Christ be preached and souls saved.. the rest will be Judged by God
Thank you so much George! Just like Bakesnfruit said; This analysis was made without being sentimental. I'm glad you are taking good notes from criticism to upgrade your approach in Judgment. I just subscribed. Thanks for the deep insight and your crystal analogy says it all. Well done George!
Bishop focus on Canaanland & ABIOYE has the Nigeria Churches. This is the birth of Abioye's boys. Posting of pastors are done at Abuja under ABIOYE, and some pastors buys their ways to juicing location while others not having information about these believes on let the will only God be done on the posting. Those buying their way are those coming back with financial gifts not directly but to appreciate posting to greener pastures in which Papa's boys were not knowledgeable about it. But the good news now is that the section involved in POSTING PASTORS HAS BEEN MOVED TO CANAANLAND FROM GOSHEN when the atrocities done thru it were exposed . ALL POSTING ARE NOW DONE IN CANAANLAND & IF NOT PLEASED WITH WHERE YOU'RE POSTED TO , YOU CAN TAKE A BOW. Not normal business as it were before.
Chief Judge of Men of God well done. You are doing a great work. Chief Judge of the Body of Christ well done. Your analysis is next to none. Great reward awaits you from God.
Things have not been the same for me throughout this whole saga I love Papa and I love Bishop Abioye. I’m really struggling to even attend church and pay attention because of how I feel Bishop Abioye was treated. I’m looking into the possibility of moving to redeem Christian church which is closer to where I live. Christian leaders should realize that their actions can make or break the faith of their church members.
Just move to RCCG, what are you waiting for? Why be in a church where you struggle? Go, save yourself and leave, no hard feelings just make sure you make it to heaven
So even after all this you Christian’s can’t still see and reason for your selves ? Rccg or winners chapel shouldn’t be what you are arguing about these church are fake and just want your money , go for GOD and not for church please 😭
Ese o BRG. Bishop Abioye is my contemporary. He's a man of great stature. But he should do everything not to be offended in his father and remain offended. I speak same dialect with Bishop Abioye. A son does not leave his father cos his father asked him to leave his farm. Thanks BRG.
What do you know about objectivity? Osino first objective video 😆 … say this is the first that suits your narrative. I have been around for years with the same principles
What is happening in the Christendom nowadays had been in existence since the biblical era, "The religious sect". If you look closely, when Jesus was on earth, who were his accusers? The high priests, the Pharisees , the Sadducees, the custodians of Law. I so much afraid of people so called believers in the church today, they're not different from those people I mentioned above. What I have witnessed so far in the church made me believe that, you and your household can be calling on the name of the Lord in your house, worshipping God right from your house. Unthinkable things are happening in the churches nowadays.
You're very right, even those missionaries brought religion and Bible but not the Gospel of Christ reason why we are seeing all these shege promax in churches...But The Body of Christ is not divided bcos the was built by Christ Himself..... church is a business center in Nigeria.
Do not neglect the fellowship of believers though. Jesus allowed everyone access to him, so the church would have different kinds of people. Its for you to choose a Bible believing one attend and serve. Leave people o, if you allow what they do or what happens to affect you, you may not believe in God sef
Thank you for your Analysis You indeed a Good Content creator who Dig deeper for FACTS and not just they say or they says things that everyone is doing today
Thank you very much Sir for this update, this is the only video that gave me the peace of mind, for all the others I listened to were just people from the pit of hell in their efforts to stir more trouble. The Lord bless you Sir
The coup was going to happen anyway so Abioye played wise by establishing himself and people who would be his now pillars. Both Oyedepo and Abioye saw into the future and acted accordingly. Abioye's happiness was that the coup was done honourably without a bad name to his lifetime service to his former boss. I see nothing wrong in the whole drama.
I do not usually comment on sensitive issues like this but I'm vividly aware of the Abioye boys (pastors) thing. Though may not be at Bishop Abioye's consent. I clearly listened to a LFC pastor tell us in a WOFBI class in 2012/13 that he doesn't follow Bishop Oyedepo but Bishop Abioye. I honestly was stunned as I couldn't make a meaning to what he said or why he said it to a class where would be pastors were to be trained... It's been in my thoughts ever since ..
When I want to see things from the clearer perspective, I watch your video concerning that issue. When the news of retirement came up, it didn’t seem right to me, but over time I thought of the whole Situation carefully, it began to make a lot of sense to At the end of the day, God is not going to ask Bishop Abioye of the commission, it will be Bishop Oyedepo that will answer God about what is handed to him. Onething I know for sure, is Bishop Oyedepo fears the Lord , so I know he is doing the right thing. Living Faith is my Church and I have worked closely to some of the leaders. what this writer wrote is 💯 right. It is well.
George you are very unique in your analysis, I think God made you for this purpose. You don't only give your personal opinion but show us video from where you draw your conclusion, for winners Chapel Bishop David Oyedepo has done no wrong to anyone, this is his/GOD structure he has always talk up. I am just sitting down to learn. God owns the church and has the final say concerning any decisions on the church.
The mother of James and John, the sons of Zebedee, went to Jesus to lobby on their behalf for positioning by His side. These things have been there from time immemorial. Ultimately, God decides how He uses his pastors. Bishop Abioye has a new calling and his Hour of Revival is gaining serious traction: MANY winners attend. I am one of those Winners who follow both. I do not care a hoot about whatever goes on behind the scenes. It is not my business. Jesus even told Peter when he asked about John having learned his own fate from Jesus: if I decide He will remain alive till I return, what is that to you? So whatever happens behind the scenes in my church has ZERO bearing in my own salvation. I will not be judged by it but by my own life actions, thoughts and words. Those who prefer to keep bothering themselves about a decision made 5 years earlier and just implemented some months back, can keep wasting their time.
@@darefestus4638😢so sad we worship fame and money in Africa… all men are equal in the sight of the Lord. If you’re talking about material things then you’re in no way better than him either we all are here na them dey there
How do you build disciples without organization. Even Jesus knew that Peter will be at the fore front of discipleship. Why did Jesus have the inner circle?
oj oj George... 😄Abioye boys how market? Apt question: church orgs are nothing but business centres. Let those who are concerned know their God and discern appropriately. Nothing unusual here.
To back a statement read out , Some Pastors are making reference to WHAT MANDATE SAYS as a solution to any difficulties.. A situation came up in which a pastor ( loved by Bishop OYEDEPO) "committed or set up" for an offense which Bishop wanted to pardon but Pastors are clamouring for what the MANDATE SAYS ABOUT SUCH,but the authorities hands are tight but let the pastor leave the commission because of the constitution. Some Pastors are in the commission not as called by God but to satisfy their own stomach.
The Catholic church doesn't retire their priest, but the priest can retire voluntarily and still the Catholic church is the oldest and largest church in the world
At the end of the day, the mandate was written by Bishop Oyedepo. Oyedepo stated clearly that Abioye was Sent to him by God before the mandate was received in 1981. He said Abioye was part of his calling. So if that is the case, it means Oyedepo just went against what God ordained for him in ministry nau. If Abioye is part of the mandate, why was he cut off from the mandate?
@@dipoajax If you are called into the Ministry, you do not retire alive. You keep going as part of that mission, or commission or mandate until you die on the field of the mission, or you are too old to move, like Billy Graham. Anything other than this is not of God.
@@dipoajax Not when Oyedepo is still alive. Abioye was ordained to help Oyedepo fulfil the mandate given by God. If Oyedepo is yet to finish, then retiring Abioye was out of order. We all know the reason Sha. His son was made the resident pastor of canaanland despite not qualified for it
@@udokanworah2199 you know who is qualified right? No body can ever be qualified like the son. Who he show all things right in his bossom. Who knows his entire walk with God.
Thank you sir, I have taken time to listen to your analysis very well as regard Winner's Chapel leadership succession. Sir, the truth is hard to believe most time to sincere believers, because it is hidden. Weather you like it or not the succession matter has being there from the beginning in the heart of Bishop Oyedepo, the matter of Mandate came in strategically in way to bring in the plan he has. When you preach truth, you present it clearly before the people in a way for them to follow on as Christ pattern otherwise it will be difficult to get followers. And believers seeing something genuine, follows with out taking pain to make enquiry about the leaders mind set from God. But when deception set in, it's wound the sincere believers. My question is this why the fear of the future of the ministry when God is the one that started it with you? 2. Why removing those person that Know more about the commission vision and foundation in the name of retirement, persons that could be of support in times of challenges that you know the young ones cannot handle? 3. Why is it only your family members that is at the center of it all now, even son in law are now part of it when others that were there from the onset their children are no where to be found? You talk about God's servant Moses, we can't trace his children nor his child in the business of the vision except others that where really loyal to him and Aaron that God specifically called to work with him. 4. What hope are we building in the heart of people concerning heaven, when one is saying the holy Spirit has stop writing, man has to write? Is heaven still for souls tomorrow just as we see it written in the scriptures? 5. Just too funny now, what the church is doing now is what the polictical class are doing in the country today, who will insist fear of God in their heart? Can we now justify our selves of the truth? Make straight the way for Him ( John the Baptist message) 5. In all this matter, how will people really believed that the Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Soon 🙏 Thank you sir.
Who do you think will die first among the 3 bishops at winners?. It's not about succession. It's about continuity of the ministry in an orderly manner. Before now there was an office of president that was held by Oyedepo, it seems like a life position now it's a 7yr tenor by anyone holding the office. Those Men know they have to set the example for the greater good of what they started.
Aaron's sons continued his ministry, Eli's sons too. Shey Isaac Oyedepo has his calling and was fully supported by his father. I just feel the people in the ministry have the calling of God to be there whether son, in law or others
No matter how we see it,Abioye was treated badly..I'm still a winner,but...that guy was loyal...oyedepo would never had gotten any one better.abioye..is the BEST..PASTOR IN WINNERS.i beat my chest.
All you read from the document is true. I ran away from winners too when I saw the level of church politics. It is very heavy than worldly politicking party members competing for public offices
The retirement is for the good of Bishop Abioye and for the good of Church. He has to go so that he can start his own ministry now that he is still active and to enable Bishop David to officially hand over to his Son. There is nothing bad with that rather I see it as wisdom in display.
There is no need to make the screen transparent, it only makes the text blur, you can switch between both screens when needed. you're doing a great job by the way.
Abioye is one of my favorite pastor in winners chapel, but he was a part of what is affecting him today,he knew very well that this day was going to come
In as much as this fears could be entertained by anyone in a helm of such institution, I don't think there was fear of the future due to the existence of a VP in LFC.. In several messages Oyedepo have emphasised even in physical display holding Abioye in his hand while moving around and preaching, emphasising his trust for Abiyoye and his loyality to the ministry from inception till date, I don't think that just changed overnight and him realising there are boys that are not his boys. The implication of this kind of podcast is by n large create division in the heart of people to begin to choose who to hate or blame and who to love or support in situations like this. I have chosen to make my view on this retirement thing in LFC neutral in my mind that way I still see and love both Oyedepo and Abiyoye equally the way I used to. The end game of this kind of analysis is division, which is not what the church needs now. So saying Abiyoye boys how far is drawing the line already and it's an attack to the church I'll say. I hope those who know the subtle and even unhidden ways the world is working tirelessly to attack the church will see through this lens. Let God be the judge of whatever has happened in LFC.
Hello George, since this retirement brouhaha began your analysis have been on point , even to the extent of you saying nothing could possibly separate the two notable people involved especially after the retirement of BDA. Now, this video right here is more of brewing a form of rift that you have hitherto been able to avoid in your previous posts. It’s better we all respect the organizational culture as spelt out in the LFC mandate. These two are inseparable. Compliments 🎉
Once the church is structured in a political system, it will lead to only one thing, whuch is division. Check all churches that moved in the same path. LFC won't be any different
Every sane and sensible human being knows that church in Nigeria is a business center. Christianity in Africa, Nigeria in particular is the biggest scam ever. Abioye was simply a tool that was used and thrashed by the Oyedepos to build their business. I hope he’s learnt his lessons. He should build his own business center too.
You are free to say what you want but it’s clear that you have no idea of what is going on. Bishop Abioye practically ran the church in and out of Nigeria. He’s not a victim here in any way
It is BUSINESS NOTHING ABOUT GOD. BUSINESS. From a business point of view, Baba did not do wrong at all. Something like this happened in my organization in 2018.The targeted were Swept along the innocent . Thank baba: this was good. 😊
Abioye boys or Papa's is normal as humans or not. In my Church as a Pastor, There pastors that are A.G.Os boys or G.O boys. The word boys sound degrading but it's not. It basically means they work closely with the G.O or any of the A.G.Os or senior pastors. It is same generally speaking in life. The sad thing is like in this story, the flesh can take center stage to cause unnecessary factions or setbacks
For one, Bishop Abioye was in charge of pastors transfer. But remember that he cannot do everything by himself. And he doesn't know over 20,000 pastors. He likewise must delegate the task to others across the nations of the world. I want to believe that Abioye is a man like everyone else. I don't believe that he conciously build a cult following like you said
First, Papa want talking about church when He made the statement about his children’s names. Mandate was written long ago and it has nothing to do with this. I’m glad ,that you all agree that Bishop Oyedepo loves God genuinely and doesn’t care about worldly things. Whatever happens let God fight for himself. Was Bishop Abioye the first Bishop to retire? In this set was he the only one who retired? Bishop Aremu is Papa’d relative and He retired too. You guys should give Winners a breather. And you lied, Papa has never mentioned or commissioned or even mentioned any successor or spoken about it.
Hmmmmmmm. Is there really a feud? The separation was expected. But you would think that he would have been gifted one big church. That was also how some other pastors that started with him from Kaduna were treated. But they say they hear from God. So let's believe the voice of God is hovering around somewhere. There is so much money in the commission that it can go round all the major players and still be there. Only problem would be when it becomes more extended with the major players children involved. In any case, let God be true and all men liars. Let's focus on Jesus. The author and finisher of our faith. There is too much focus on men. God must be really sad. We have forgotten he is a jealous God. We can't be sharing the same podium with Him. He is too massive for that. Oyedepo? Abioye? And all of these pastors handing over to their children....Jesus was there before them.
Thank you for your explicit comment. Good to see people who look beyond the charade, to declare the truth. When men fight for recognition, power and influence, they are not different from people of the world and Jesus is not their LORD. In the final analysis, every "house" not built by the LORD will fall, every tree not planted by Him will be uprooted. Everyone fighting for perpetuity and relevance, building an empire, outside the will of God, will learn the hard way. The builders of the tower of Babel didn't do more than this. It's only a matter of time; He will not share His glory with a mortal man or any creature of His..
@@michaelis-me is the kingdom of Christ suffering right now because of Bishop Abioye's retirement from winners? Is the church not a registered organisation that requires it's own rules to function effectively? Did bishop Abioye complain at any point about the retirement? Stop getting emotional about things that doesn't affect you
@@latdesmy3702 I asked simple questions...its either you can provide the answers or leave the matter. you are right, the matter doesn't affect me one bit, neither does it affect you. You are just trying to famz with the church. Selah
My own is that after retirement must dey go and open their own church? I mean if you retire from govt work or oil company do then go and start your own? Well what do I know
Yes i cried when Abioye was "forcefully retired". Every organisation. Bishop Abioye having Abioye boys is normal. Every organisation has its own culture"the way we do things around here" i see nothing wrong in that
Papa had never hidden the fact that he patterned his ministry after Reverend Kenneth Haggin Ministries. So, Bishop Aboye's retirement was long expected.
Know God for your Self... Don't attend church or work in church bcuz of any pastor... Pastors too are human and they have weakness.. Bro stop emphasis on weakness of people especially so called 'Men of God' is not your call... God will judge everyone according to his deeds... Don't go to church bcuz of any individual but for God..
George please don’t take this the wrong way Biko 🙏🏽 Just wanted to let you know that “criteria” is the plural of “criterion” So please don’t add an “s” to the “criterion” Thanks and God bless you❤
... I strongly disagree with the notion that a one-size-fits-all approach is applicable in this situation. Individual circumstances, priorities, and goals vary greatly, and it's unrealistic to expect others to conform to a single standard. Retirement age, should be uniform at all levels. A tree can't make a forest. Without those guys, living faith couldn't be whatever it's today. Why not retire himself too? A leather should lead by example. I have never seen that church as church before though, instead business outlet
Who do you think will die first among the 3 bishops at winners?. It's not about succession. It's about continuity of the ministry in an orderly manner. Before now there was an office of president that was held by Oyedepo, it seems like a life position now it's a 7yr tenor by anyone holding the office. Those Men know they have to set the example for the greater good of what they started.
Why say human beings will always be human beings:wrong to compare way of the world & way of heaven, Did u read how Abram behaved in separation with lot 20:47 th lot
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Guy can't you get something worthy doing than making foolish contents about churches all in the name of being real....now you've stop Apostle Joshua Selman, now it is Winners Chapel. There is this church member of ours who has being misguided by your upsurd content and he thinks there is no point going to church. He feels it is not worthy committing to any church all in the name of beingreal...Sir please stop this contents about men of God and start a church. let us come and see the light. Thank You Sir
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I will continue to love Bishop David Oyedepo and David Abioye together no matter what. God continue to work with two of them
Honestly this is one analysis you have done that's absolutely devoid of sentiments. It changed my view of the whole "saga". What i see and worry about is that the word church is more like an organisation now than a spiritual refuge. It safer to go to church nowadays, worship and leave, not concerning yourself with the messy politics in the leadership, it can destroy your faith. Am not even interested in service units anymore because there is politics there too. ..just guard your heart and if possible don't even get close to any pastor, else you will see things, you will hear things....
someone saying the silent part very loud! honestly even to be in a unit to serve dey fear me!
That's me dear,I don't mix myself with leadership of the church,,churches are definitely turned into politics,they are even fighting for positions,the glory of God has left the church indeed
Your comment is absolutely apt. They that worship must do so in spirit and truth. This is not talking about singing songs of worship but more about the posture of our hearts before God. Our focus shouldn't be on organizational politics or hero worship but on Jesus.
@@beneelohimhubthat I will not try
I took this decision 12years ago....best decision of my life. Focus on your God and maintain your lane so you will not hear or see things. Exactly as you have analysed it
Whatever that happens both has benefited from each other. God knows the best and his name shall be glorified.
What I see in all of these is multiplication by division.
Bishop Abioye will continue to labour in God's Vineyards by nurturing more sheep elsewhere.
To God Be the Glory.
Humm, it is polynomial by vector Space Topplogy
More SHEEP as PREYS for the PREDATOR WOLVES 😀😀😀😀😀
Running a church is hard, i respect Oyedepo this far, no church has ever been perfect, especially large ones, still love both Bishops in the spirit of being in the body of Christ, wish them all well
Greetings from the United States, friends.
Let's be clear: there's nothing wrong with anointed men having inner issues and parting ways. Importantly also, nothing is wrong with believers -- stakeholders of the Church -- discussing these things. Apostle Paul & Apostle Barnabas - more anointed than any ministers in our time - had major disagreement, and they parted way. And the All-wise God Who the "secret things belong to," chose to disclose the incident in Scriptures. The only advice is, let's do it RESPECTFULLY and pray for Bishop Abioye and Papa Oyedepo and the Church of Jesus Christ at large.🙏
God bless you ❤.
Well spoken
Bishop oyedepo has achieved feats many African pastors cannot imagine. He deserves my respect for that, sentiment apart...
Thank you for yielding to God's call of helping to unconfuse the confused. God bless you George
Your analysis is top notch, am not a nigerian but trust me in my country this issue of camps is normal among church leadership. Some are actually good while others are just for selfish gains. my desire is that at the end let Christ be preached and souls saved.. the rest will be Judged by God
The religious church system, as we know it, is a draconian business model.
Bishop David Abioye has immensely benefitted from it.
We worship...we don't judge God bless Bishop David Oyedepo and God bless Bishop Abioye.
Judgement must begin in the house of God. 1st Peter 4:17
@@stormieblaze510start with yourself, your heart
You Have Been Brainwashed With Only A Verse Of The Bible So Look For Other Verses That Say We Should Judge And Even Stay Away From Them
Must Christian’s follow pastors and not God , it’s so evident in y’all’s comments 🤦🏾♂️
This is an intelligent, unbiased review. Kudos, BRG🎉
Thank you so much George! Just like Bakesnfruit said; This analysis was made without being sentimental. I'm glad you are taking good notes from criticism to upgrade your approach in Judgment. I just subscribed. Thanks for the deep insight and your crystal analogy says it all. Well done George!
Bishop focus on Canaanland & ABIOYE has the Nigeria Churches. This is the birth of Abioye's boys. Posting of pastors are done at Abuja under ABIOYE, and some pastors buys their ways to juicing location while others not having information about these believes on let the will only God be done on the posting. Those buying their way are those coming back with financial gifts not directly but to appreciate posting to greener pastures in which Papa's boys were not knowledgeable about it. But the good news now is that the section involved in POSTING PASTORS HAS BEEN MOVED TO CANAANLAND FROM GOSHEN when the atrocities done thru it were exposed . ALL POSTING ARE NOW DONE IN CANAANLAND & IF NOT PLEASED WITH WHERE YOU'RE POSTED TO , YOU CAN TAKE A BOW. Not normal business as it were before.
Chief Judge of Men of God well done. You are doing a great work.
Chief Judge of the Body of Christ well done. Your analysis is next to none. Great reward awaits you from God.
The sarcasm is so loud 😅.
Thank you very much great analyst. We will be waiting. Even if it's 2hrs video, you have my attention. More of God's Grace upon you.
God bless you George for this analysis. At least, your sensible video caught my attention for the first time today. Thanks, man!
Papa Oyedepo is wise. He is calm . He dont want to die before his time. We have tj learn to ignore some issues and concetrate on our life ambition
Very wise , so true
Patiently waiting for the next. Nice work Mr. George
Things have not been the same for me throughout this whole saga I love Papa and I love Bishop Abioye. I’m really struggling to even attend church and pay attention because of how I feel Bishop Abioye was treated. I’m looking into the possibility of moving to redeem Christian church which is closer to where I live. Christian leaders should realize that their actions can make or break the faith of their church members.
Just move to RCCG, what are you waiting for? Why be in a church where you struggle? Go, save yourself and leave, no hard feelings just make sure you make it to heaven
All of them play politics.
So even after all this you Christian’s can’t still see and reason for your selves ? Rccg or winners chapel shouldn’t be what you are arguing about these church are fake and just want your money , go for GOD and not for church please 😭
Bros no church is perfect
Ese o BRG. Bishop Abioye is my contemporary. He's a man of great stature. But he should do everything not to be offended in his father and remain offended. I speak same dialect with Bishop Abioye. A son does not leave his father cos his father asked him to leave his farm. Thanks BRG.
This analysis is topnotch!
George you are kept from wicked and unreasonable men
Amen
The way you always analyse your content unbiased shows that you are highly cerebral and knowledgeable with the fear of God, too. Welldone
This is the first objective commentary you have made about any church or pastor.
What do you know about objectivity? Osino first objective video 😆 … say this is the first that suits your narrative. I have been around for years with the same principles
@@BeingRealGeorge😂😂😂
@@BeingRealGeorgewhen it suits them, they praise
I agree with the objective part, but to say it's the first? I laugh in tongues😂
What is happening in the Christendom nowadays had been in existence since the biblical era, "The religious sect". If you look closely, when Jesus was on earth, who were his accusers? The high priests, the Pharisees , the Sadducees, the custodians of Law. I so much afraid of people so called believers in the church today, they're not different from those people I mentioned above. What I have witnessed so far in the church made me believe that, you and your household can be calling on the name of the Lord in your house, worshipping God right from your house. Unthinkable things are happening in the churches nowadays.
You're very right, even those missionaries brought religion and Bible but not the Gospel of Christ reason why we are seeing all these shege promax in churches...But The Body of Christ is not divided bcos the was built by Christ Himself..... church is a business center in Nigeria.
Do not neglect the fellowship of believers though. Jesus allowed everyone access to him, so the church would have different kinds of people. Its for you to choose a Bible believing one attend and serve. Leave people o, if you allow what they do or what happens to affect you, you may not believe in God sef
Thank you for your Analysis
You indeed a Good Content creator who Dig deeper for FACTS and not just they say or they says things that everyone is doing today
BRG thanks for the unbiased analysis.
Thank you for this logical and neutral analysis
Thank you very much Sir for this update, this is the only video that gave me the peace of mind, for all the others I listened to were just people from the pit of hell in their efforts to stir more trouble. The Lord bless you Sir
The coup was going to happen anyway so Abioye played wise by establishing himself and people who would be his now pillars. Both Oyedepo and Abioye saw into the future and acted accordingly. Abioye's happiness was that the coup was done honourably without a bad name to his lifetime service to his former boss. I see nothing wrong in the whole drama.
There was no coup
@@latdesmy3702 Whatever you call it
and at times you can be good and bad boys surround you
I know Pastor Unuegbu Victor Wallace very well, he was the SUG president of my school FUTO when i was in first Year.
I do not usually comment on sensitive issues like this but I'm vividly aware of the Abioye boys (pastors) thing. Though may not be at Bishop Abioye's consent.
I clearly listened to a LFC pastor tell us in a WOFBI class in 2012/13 that he doesn't follow Bishop Oyedepo but Bishop Abioye.
I honestly was stunned as I couldn't make a meaning to what he said or why he said it to a class where would be pastors were to be trained... It's been in my thoughts ever since ..
When I want to see things from the clearer perspective, I watch your video concerning that issue. When the news of retirement came up, it didn’t seem right to me, but over time I thought of the whole
Situation carefully, it began to make a lot of sense to At the end of the day, God is not going to ask Bishop Abioye of the commission, it will be Bishop Oyedepo that will answer God about what is handed to him. Onething I know for sure, is Bishop Oyedepo fears the Lord , so I know he is doing the right thing. Living Faith is my Church and I have worked closely to some of the leaders. what this writer wrote is 💯 right. It is well.
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. IF YOU'RE A BORN AGAIN CHILD OF GOD, YOU WILL NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS FOOLISHNESS.
Many thanks, BRG, for the analysis
You are right RG.... They were manipulating transfer.... Transfer comes from the VP's office
George you are very unique in your analysis, I think God made you for this purpose. You don't only give your personal opinion but show us video from where you draw your conclusion, for winners Chapel Bishop David Oyedepo has done no wrong to anyone, this is his/GOD structure he has always talk up. I am just sitting down to learn. God owns the church and has the final say concerning any decisions on the church.
The mother of James and John, the sons of Zebedee, went to Jesus to lobby on their behalf for positioning by His side. These things have been there from time immemorial. Ultimately, God decides how He uses his pastors. Bishop Abioye has a new calling and his Hour of Revival is gaining serious traction: MANY winners attend. I am one of those Winners who follow both. I do not care a hoot about whatever goes on behind the scenes. It is not my business. Jesus even told Peter when he asked about John having learned his own fate from Jesus: if I decide He will remain alive till I return, what is that to you? So whatever happens behind the scenes in my church has ZERO bearing in my own salvation. I will not be judged by it but by my own life actions, thoughts and words. Those who prefer to keep bothering themselves about a decision made 5 years earlier and just implemented some months back, can keep wasting their time.
God did not ask us to build organizations, he told us to make disciples. This is a stark deviation from our main purpose as community of believers
Thats why you are where you are and they are where they are
@darefestus4638 where are they, if I may ask?
@@darefestus4638😢so sad we worship fame and money in Africa… all men are equal in the sight of the Lord. If you’re talking about material things then you’re in no way better than him either we all are here na them dey there
How do you build disciples without organization. Even Jesus knew that Peter will be at the fore front of discipleship. Why did Jesus have the inner circle?
@@abioyeadeyinka8165Good Response. Where Are They?
oj oj George... 😄Abioye boys how market? Apt question: church orgs are nothing but business centres. Let those who are concerned know their God and discern appropriately. Nothing unusual here.
To back a statement read out , Some Pastors are making reference to WHAT MANDATE SAYS as a solution to any difficulties..
A situation came up in which a pastor ( loved by Bishop OYEDEPO) "committed or set up" for an offense which Bishop wanted to pardon but Pastors are clamouring for what the MANDATE SAYS ABOUT SUCH,but the authorities hands are tight but let the pastor leave the commission because of the constitution. Some Pastors are in the commission not as called by God but to satisfy their own stomach.
He was my former SUG president and I know him very well and his family . The family attend Assemblies of God at Orji , in Owerri
Thank you for this informative video. God richly bless you.
I feel like 60 years is too young for retirement; RCCG retires their pastors at age 70
They don't retire..they make them elders...as still fully involved in the church's organising body
The Catholic church doesn't retire their priest, but the priest can retire voluntarily and still the Catholic church is the oldest and largest church in the world
At the end of the day, the mandate was written by Bishop Oyedepo. Oyedepo stated clearly that Abioye was Sent to him by God before the mandate was received in 1981. He said Abioye was part of his calling. So if that is the case, it means Oyedepo just went against what God ordained for him in ministry nau. If Abioye is part of the mandate, why was he cut off from the mandate?
Maybe because Abioye had finished his mandate. Afterall, the Bible says there is a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embrace.
@@dipoajax
If you are called into the Ministry, you do not retire alive. You keep going as part of that mission, or commission or mandate until you die on the field of the mission, or you are too old to move, like Billy Graham. Anything other than this is not of God.
@@dipoajax Not when Oyedepo is still alive. Abioye was ordained to help Oyedepo fulfil the mandate given by God. If Oyedepo is yet to finish, then retiring Abioye was out of order. We all know the reason Sha. His son was made the resident pastor of canaanland despite not qualified for it
@@udokanworah2199 you know who is qualified right? No body can ever be qualified like the son. Who he show all things right in his bossom. Who knows his entire walk with God.
When God spoke to him, where you there??😢
Thank you sir, I have taken time to listen to your analysis very well as regard Winner's Chapel leadership succession.
Sir, the truth is hard to believe most time to sincere believers, because it is hidden. Weather you like it or not the succession matter has being there from the beginning in the heart of Bishop Oyedepo, the matter of Mandate came in strategically in way to bring in the plan he has. When you preach truth, you present it clearly before the people in a way for them to follow on as Christ pattern otherwise it will be difficult to get followers. And believers seeing something genuine, follows with out taking pain to make enquiry about the leaders mind set from God.
But when deception set in, it's wound the sincere believers.
My question is this why the fear of the future of the ministry when God is the one that started it with you?
2. Why removing those person that Know more about the commission vision and foundation in the name of retirement, persons that could be of support in times of challenges that you know the young ones cannot handle?
3. Why is it only your family members that is at the center of it all now, even son in law are now part of it when others that were there from the onset their children are no where to be found? You talk about God's servant Moses, we can't trace his children nor his child in the business of the vision except others that where really loyal to him and Aaron that God specifically called to work with him.
4. What hope are we building in the heart of people concerning heaven, when one is saying the holy Spirit has stop writing, man has to write?
Is heaven still for souls tomorrow just as we see it written in the scriptures?
5. Just too funny now, what the church is doing now is what the polictical class are doing in the country today, who will insist fear of God in their heart? Can we now justify our selves of the truth? Make straight the way for Him ( John the Baptist message)
5. In all this matter, how will people really believed that the Lord Jesus Christ is Coming Soon 🙏
Thank you sir.
Who do you think will die first among the 3 bishops at winners?. It's not about succession. It's about continuity of the ministry in an orderly manner. Before now there was an office of president that was held by Oyedepo, it seems like a life position now it's a 7yr tenor by anyone holding the office. Those Men know they have to set the example for the greater good of what they started.
Aaron's sons continued his ministry, Eli's sons too. Shey Isaac Oyedepo has his calling and was fully supported by his father. I just feel the people in the ministry have the calling of God to be there whether son, in law or others
No matter how we see it,Abioye was treated badly..I'm still a winner,but...that guy was loyal...oyedepo would never had gotten any one better.abioye..is the BEST..PASTOR IN WINNERS.i beat my chest.
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I no that all the enemy of papa oyedepo is a member of his church winners God have mercy
Not all that came into the church came to experience God but to look at pictures.
Experience God and ale your eyes or of administration.
I wouldn’t even lie, I was an abioye member. But if some people come together that they should retire, then they should 😂
You're not a Winner at all... probably a new member who needs to be flogged.
I just love you! Keep it Real!
People will always have problems with anything.
People have problems with even God himself
All you read from the document is true. I ran away from winners too when I saw the level of church politics. It is very heavy than worldly politicking party members competing for public offices
That politics na all churchee
@@akinwalecaroline7275 The manche no just sabi ne...
You ran to where there is no politics?
Is there a church without politics....where humans is politics rule
I still believe strongly Bishop Oyedepo was not aware. Maybe he is now
The retirement is for the good of Bishop Abioye and for the good of Church. He has to go so that he can start his own ministry now that he is still active and to enable Bishop David to officially hand over to his Son. There is nothing bad with that rather I see it as wisdom in display.
Very true Wallace unaegbu was a former SUG president in FUTO.
Usually, a new country's president would retire army generals loyal to the previous president.
It's a way to ensure that there are no glitches.
There is no need to make the screen transparent, it only makes the text blur, you can switch between both screens when needed. you're doing a great job by the way.
Me nothing to say, I was no there when they started my prayer is that God will help them all to make heaven eventually
Abioye is one of my favorite pastor in winners chapel, but he was a part of what is affecting him today,he knew very well that this day was going to come
In as much as this fears could be entertained by anyone in a helm of such institution, I don't think there was fear of the future due to the existence of a VP in LFC..
In several messages Oyedepo have emphasised even in physical display holding Abioye in his hand while moving around and preaching, emphasising his trust for Abiyoye and his loyality to the ministry from inception till date, I don't think that just changed overnight and him realising there are boys that are not his boys.
The implication of this kind of podcast is by n large create division in the heart of people to begin to choose who to hate or blame and who to love or support in situations like this.
I have chosen to make my view on this retirement thing in LFC neutral in my mind that way I still see and love both Oyedepo and Abiyoye equally the way I used to.
The end game of this kind of analysis is division, which is not what the church needs now. So saying Abiyoye boys how far is drawing the line already and it's an attack to the church I'll say. I hope those who know the subtle and even unhidden ways the world is working tirelessly to attack the church will see through this lens. Let God be the judge of whatever has happened in LFC.
That was just the title sha
George again, thank you!!
Talking of wealth
How wealthy is Bishop David Abioye?
Very wealthy that you can imagine sir
Very wealthy
Hello George, since this retirement brouhaha began your analysis have been on point , even to the extent of you saying nothing could possibly separate the two notable people involved especially after the retirement of BDA.
Now, this video right here is more of brewing a form of rift that you have hitherto been able to avoid in your previous posts.
It’s better we all respect the organizational culture as spelt out in the LFC mandate.
These two are inseparable.
Compliments 🎉
Anointed men don't talk this much publicly. Take whatever he say very lightly.
Thank you
It is easy to develop a system but very difficult to develop a standard recipe that can stand a test of time
Once the church is structured in a political system, it will lead to only one thing, whuch is division. Check all churches that moved in the same path. LFC won't be any different
Let men own their visions my simple lesson from the ongoing.
Every sane and sensible human being knows that church in Nigeria is a business center. Christianity in Africa, Nigeria in particular is the biggest scam ever. Abioye was simply a tool that was used and thrashed by the Oyedepos to build their business. I hope he’s learnt his lessons. He should build his own business center too.
You are free to say what you want but it’s clear that you have no idea of what is going on. Bishop Abioye practically ran the church in and out of Nigeria. He’s not a victim here in any way
Foolish talk
George you are opening our eyes
Thank you George for giving me perspectives, been following for a while, I appreciate what you doing.
God bless you BRG ❤ happy new year 🎊
It is BUSINESS NOTHING ABOUT GOD. BUSINESS. From a business point of view, Baba did not do wrong at all. Something like this happened in my organization in 2018.The targeted were Swept along the innocent . Thank baba: this was good. 😊
Well the church is God's business. Even Jesus said can't I go about my father's business.
Abioye boys or Papa's is normal as humans or not.
In my Church as a Pastor, There pastors that are A.G.Os boys or G.O boys. The word boys sound degrading but it's not. It basically means they work closely with the G.O or any of the A.G.Os or senior pastors. It is same generally speaking in life. The sad thing is like in this story, the flesh can take center stage to cause unnecessary factions or setbacks
For one, Bishop Abioye was in charge of pastors transfer. But remember that he cannot do everything by himself. And he doesn't know over 20,000 pastors. He likewise must delegate the task to others across the nations of the world.
I want to believe that Abioye is a man like everyone else. I don't believe that he conciously build a cult following like you said
Not like I said but like the article said.
First, Papa want talking about church when He made the statement about his children’s names.
Mandate was written long ago and it has nothing to do with this.
I’m glad ,that you all agree that Bishop Oyedepo loves God genuinely and doesn’t care about worldly things.
Whatever happens let God fight for himself.
Was Bishop Abioye the first Bishop to retire? In this set was he the only one who retired? Bishop Aremu is Papa’d relative and He retired too.
You guys should give Winners a breather.
And you lied, Papa has never mentioned or commissioned or even mentioned any successor or spoken about it.
Hmmmmmmm. Is there really a feud? The separation was expected. But you would think that he would have been gifted one big church. That was also how some other pastors that started with him from Kaduna were treated. But they say they hear from God. So let's believe the voice of God is hovering around somewhere. There is so much money in the commission that it can go round all the major players and still be there. Only problem would be when it becomes more extended with the major players children involved. In any case, let God be true and all men liars. Let's focus on Jesus. The author and finisher of our faith. There is too much focus on men. God must be really sad. We have forgotten he is a jealous God. We can't be sharing the same podium with Him. He is too massive for that. Oyedepo? Abioye? And all of these pastors handing over to their children....Jesus was there before them.
Thank you for your explicit comment. Good to see people who look beyond the charade, to declare the truth.
When men fight for recognition, power and influence, they are not different from people of the world and Jesus is not their LORD. In the final analysis, every "house" not built by the LORD will fall, every tree not planted by Him will be uprooted. Everyone fighting for perpetuity and relevance, building an empire, outside the will of God, will learn the hard way. The builders of the tower of Babel didn't do more than this. It's only a matter of time; He will not share His glory with a mortal man or any creature of His..
There's a document called the "mandate" that everyone in leadership is aware of, including bishop Abioye
@@latdesmy3702 Whose mandate? Who inspired the mandate? Who authored the mandate? How does the mandate benefit the kingdom of Christ?
@@michaelis-me is the kingdom of Christ suffering right now because of Bishop Abioye's retirement from winners? Is the church not a registered organisation that requires it's own rules to function effectively? Did bishop Abioye complain at any point about the retirement? Stop getting emotional about things that doesn't affect you
@@latdesmy3702 I asked simple questions...its either you can provide the answers or leave the matter. you are right, the matter doesn't affect me one bit, neither does it affect you. You are just trying to famz with the church. Selah
My own is that after retirement must dey go and open their own church? I mean if you retire from govt work or oil company do then go and start your own? Well what do I know
If you want to start your own you can. You are not under anyone to be retired when you decide to start yours
Real George this is a wow, sorry the body of Jesus has been divided into parts and particles for personal interest, fame and gains.
Yes i cried when Abioye was "forcefully retired". Every organisation. Bishop Abioye having Abioye boys is normal. Every organisation has its own culture"the way we do things around here" i see nothing wrong in that
Cry kwa….
why you cry???
Is he dead!!! Why are we Christians not kingdom minded!!!!! We need a lot of maturing to do.
This is the Truth.
Papa had never hidden the fact that he patterned his ministry after Reverend Kenneth Haggin Ministries. So, Bishop Aboye's retirement was long expected.
Bishop Abioye has served...won't allow social media destroy the years of loyalty
Wallace was my SUG president that year in FUTO..... I didn't know the dude was now a pastor.
Know God for your Self... Don't attend church or work in church bcuz of any pastor... Pastors too are human and they have weakness..
Bro stop emphasis on weakness of people especially so called 'Men of God' is not your call... God will judge everyone according to his deeds...
Don't go to church bcuz of any individual but for God..
Thank you
Shiloh with God is most important not Shiloh without bishop Abioye. Shiloh itself is God.
George please don’t take this the wrong way Biko 🙏🏽
Just wanted to let you know that “criteria” is the plural of “criterion”
So please don’t add an “s” to the “criterion”
Thanks and God bless you❤
Ok 🫡
Thanks
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I strongly disagree with the notion that a one-size-fits-all approach is applicable in this situation. Individual circumstances, priorities, and goals vary greatly, and it's unrealistic to expect others to conform to a single standard.
Retirement age, should be uniform at all levels. A tree can't make a forest. Without those guys, living faith couldn't be whatever it's today.
Why not retire himself too? A leather should lead by example. I have never seen that church as church before though, instead business outlet
God bless you sir
Peace to men and women of goodwill.
If he is going to hand over to his son then it is become a family business/empire. The optics will not be good overall.
What position does God have in all of this saga?
U go ask God for us oo 🤌
The mandate is not the Bible. Ultimately, we are mere mortals. Again, let God be true and all men liars. Not holding forth for anyone.
Who do you think will die first among the 3 bishops at winners?. It's not about succession. It's about continuity of the ministry in an orderly manner. Before now there was an office of president that was held by Oyedepo, it seems like a life position now it's a 7yr tenor by anyone holding the office. Those Men know they have to set the example for the greater good of what they started.
Why say human beings will always be human beings:wrong to compare way of the world & way of heaven, Did u read how Abram behaved in separation with lot 20:47 th lot
Are you a human being
Focus on God and not on any man
I wonder what happened to pastor Intia, he was very close to the ministry, always sitting next to Bishop Oyedepo.
He has his own ministry and always at Shiloh what's your point
@@peacejoseph5774😂 which Shiloh?? Pastor ntia matter if you hear you will dislike church….. pastor ntia was sacked know this and know peace….
He is still close to papa like back of palm
Good job but balance the truth, don't lean on one side. Leaning on one side is what destroyed the judiciary of Nigeria
Winners is big enough to convince that it's God's business but unfortunately it's about wealthy acquisition business
George ! how i wish i could be instrumental in helping your media team, Maybe in cleaning the mic and dusting the MIC Foam.
Noticed it
Now the ministry is moving forward
whixh one is Abioye's boys how market?
I guess you found out already
You should mind your own business. The mandate that Abioye was part of drawing stipulates when one retires so this is not news look for other news
@@KNAK-uk9rc I think you are new here. Look for another channel to rant.