Almost anything can be used as an offensive or deadly weapon, like a car, hammer or even a stick etc. Why do we always jump to legislation to punish the majority or law abiding owners just because of a few idiots. It's the person, not the item and as you say if someone breaks existing law then the police and courts should deal with them appropriately.
That is true, but the items you mention are not by design intended to be a weapon however, they can be and you would be charged/prosecuted if you used one AS as a weapon under certain circumstances. If 100's of law-abiding people decided to carry a crossbow in public (if the law permitted it), I think many would be concerned, I know I would, and the fact is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously injured or killed. If there was a pressing need to carry a crossbow in public (like a hammer could be for a workman) then it would be different, but I cannot see a reason to carry one other than for the reasons already allowed in law.
It has a lot to do with concealment and what use the object is usually for. Clearly a projectile weapon is more dangerous than an object held when used. It is why the maximum power of an unregulated airgun, is for a pistol, half that for a rifle.
"Almost anything" Probably stretching things a bit far, let's say a lot of things can be used as an offensive weapon. But if I took a hammer out on a night down the pub my guess would be the police would want an explanation as to why I have a hammer and the same would go for carrying a baseball bat in Sainsbury's. As mentioned before a crossbow is designed to be a weapon and only has the one purpose, unless you wanted to argue that it's handy for drilling holes in wood and your drill has broken. Sometimes it may look like a knee jerk reaction but, with the exception of knife crime in some parts of the UK it's a pretty safe place to live thanks to these laws.
@o markosmithiskingofthejews There was a BBC report about the first Downing Street party. They asked the Met' Police if they were going to investigate and the answer was no as it happened too long ago. The reporter then pointed out how interesting that was given the several near contemptuous cases that had already been investigated and procecuted by that same force. I guess this means the law is different if people in power are involved.
@o markosmithiskingofthejews It was reported that several people were recently prosecuted for holding Christmas parties at around the same time as the alleged Downing Street party happened. The Met was apparently happy to prosecute those people now but not anyone involved with the Downing Street party because it happened a while ago. So it's good to see we're all held to the same standard under the law ('Liz Windsor excepted).
@o markosmithiskingofthejews It's been said the easiest person to convince is yourself and that it is easier to convince someone of a falsehood than it is to convince them that they have been deceived. Have a nice day.
Far too many things are prohibited her in the U.K. With no noticeable effect on violent crime, but catch out the law abiding citizen who if the police turn up, suddenly finds out that some item they have had for years is now illegal to possess
Yea, like my Opinel knife, the blade length is within the law but it has a safety mechanism to lock the blade thus protecting the users fingers. It was my Grandfather’s.
I have a soft spot for target practice with crossbow's and air rifles, I think the laws around them are suitable that balance out freedoms and safety adequately. No doubt on occasions they may be miss used, but for the vast majority we respect the laws and the reasoning behind them. I am not a fan of knife laws, I have always carried one, not as a weapon but as an everyday tool. I feel instead of treating knives as deadly weapons, we should instead teach younger generations how to respect them and use them as tools rather than as identifying them as weapons / objects to harm someone.
@@danrawson8515 it actually is, FYI the sales of crossbows in the UK and Europe have gone through the roof since the pandemic due to folk arming themselves. Which makes me think the government have tippled to it.
Quite a few years ago, I had a run in with a protection officer who was driving dangerously on Constitution Hill next to Buckingham Palace. This armed officer then has a bout of road rage, and pulls me over. So I made a complaint. The "camera" was looking the other way. So I asked the met to request video from Buckingham palace security cameras. Interestingly, I did get a letter from head of security there. None of those cameras [there are over a dozen] are working. It's not surprising that a German tourist shinned over the wall, and camped for a night. Security found him brewing a cup of coffee and having a breakfast in the morning.
This was Windsor Castle but point taken. Sad to hear there isn't permanent on site protection for Her Maj too... Seems they just rely on Armed Response. But I'm not being funny as I know there plenty of anti-royals but let's at least protect them properly if we have them. This would have been an unforgiveable breach if the old girl was harmed in any way. Not like this hasn't happened in the past...
@@Nickle314 Germany is actually a good example of states starting out with good laws and then going progressively more deranged. For example, you can own a hand gun but not if it has a light (but lasers are OK apparently). And pepper spray is legal too.
I don't intend to own or walk around with crossbow anywhere anytime soon or ever. However it does remind me of my friend who once bought an air riffle and while being asked to point the air riffle down while he was holding it, asked, if this was the trigger? Then pulled the trigger and shot a pellet into his foot.
So the law regarding crossbows is the same as the law regarding knives, the latter being regarded as tightly controlled. Also FYI a crossbow isn't a firearm - 2.05min on 'unlike other firearms & shotguns'.
Observation 1. Dressed in a red suit with white trim, he was caught trying to get down a chimney Observation 2. Why is it that the elite get protected, but if I ring 999 about organised crime, the police don't respond?
One reason I think for minimal control from HMG is that it takes forever to load one. Knives and firearms can be used again in seconds. Hence the controls we have. But when I bought mine I walked into a shop, showed my driver's licence and was told not to get it out on the bus.
@@zulvalor7266 . I know there are those who will demand more laws against something for which there are already adequate laws that control it. However I can't see many people wandering around, shooting off arrows in a dangerous manner and causing a problem.
A curious difference between UK and Norwegian law that i discovered when i joined an archery club here in Norway - Whilst "normal" bows (including compound bows) are basically unregulated in Norway, crossbows are treated as firearms and subject to the same checks and licensing. I've long wondered why the UK hasn't had stronger checks on them, but i can only surmise that the legal system tends to be reactionary rather than preventative, and is waiting for an atrocity to happen before bothering to look at the issue.
Fun fact: In the UK, pistols are banned and crossbows are unregulated. In the Isle of Man (a Crown Dependency) pistols are legal and crossbows are regulated.
Because they're really not an issue. But you're right, the law generally starts off from a fairly sensible position but becomes progresively corrupted by knee-jerk reactions and government incompetence. For example, up until 1998 pistols were controlled but legal. Then a series of serious (as in totally incomprehensible) police failings led to a mentally defective man, who was known to the police being granted a licence 'because reasons'. And as per usual the law abiding got punished. I'm guessing the same has happened there?
Nothing wrong with any offensive weapon. It's their misuse by unsuitable owners where the problem is. Carrying any firearm, aigun or crossbow in public requires them to be in a case or other suitable cover. I strongly agree with the comment by FXPeter22, why punish those of us that are sensible enough to hold weapons and use them in suitable places just for a few that are not safe with any sort of weapon? 😆
A firearm or airgun requires a firearms certificate and you CANNOT just walk around with them in public regardless of them being in a case or other suitable cover, they must be transported from your home to the intended place of use by secure transport (UK law), not walked there and not allowed on public transport, bus, train etc, they are all firearm offences under the Firearms Act 1968 which has been majorly amended in 1988, 1997 and again in 2017.
@@1t_wasnt_me Airguns only require a firearms certificate if they exceed the 12ft lbs muzzle velocity in England or Wales. Scotland has different regulations. I am a firearms certificate holder, and i am fully aware of the regulations regarding transporting them.
With the possible exception of farmers who need them for pest control , or euthanising injured livestock , there is no reason for any members of the public to own or keep firearms simply as a hobby .
@@derekheeps1244 Everyone has their own interests and hobbies. I can think of a lot of hobbies that require ownership of items that could be classed as dangerous and not controlled the same way as guns are. Some people climb mountains, get into trouble then expect others to risk their lives to bring them back to safety.
Sadly a very predictable reaction from people who wish to punish the vast majority of law abiding crossbow owners who enjoy their sport. Banning crossbows will do nothing to prevent crime as by its very definition the criminals ignore the laws of this land. As mentioned by the barrister strong penalties quite rightly are already there for misuse. A crossbow is not a firearm and only a single shot device (takes more than 30 seconds to cock and load a standard crossbow - unlike a bow which is faster shooting - one of the reasons why the English & Welsh archers beat the French in various wars). Unlike a gun, a bow or crossbow is relatively easy to make. How many people of my generation made bows to play with as kids without causing harm? I can see kids getting into trouble with the authorities doing this today. We need to move away from this modern mentality of "banning" anything that could potentially cause harm if misused and use existing laws for the criminals out there. You may not care about crossbows being banned but you can be sure that something else that affects you will be "banned" in the future
Question, when it comes to the offence possession of a crossbow in a public place is necessary that the crossbow is in operational condition, ie with bolts (arrows) or bow string fitted?
this is a matter of discretion of the arresting officer at the moment as far as i am aware. obviously the it's up to CPS and the courts to decide whether to prosecute and whether it meets the offense.
When I bought a bow, a compound one, 1992 (not a crossbow) as I learnt archery at college and enjoyed it. We were always taught to be careful where you point the bow and arrow so you would not hurt anyone. I rang the local police and asked if I needed to register it or have a license at the time. My simple bow that I bought as a kit (had to buy the paint as well) was in my price range (£40) could kill someone. As a result I was always careful when I used it. I only ever used it at a target, the gold. I would always put it in a case when I had finished with it. It is currently locked away safe as I have nowhere to use it now. Also I have since been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and my balance is rubbish.
Quick - take all bows & crossbows (in fact to be safe all pointy sticks & even cutlery) off everyone & take more scarce public money from the suffering masses & give it all to the richest woman in the world for extra security that will fail to prevent the next hardly believable "break -in".
It's not a fire arm . Don't go down this road . Next archery is outlawed . The. Law is already in place . No cross bow bolt with a hunting or lethal tip is allowed under UK law . Blunt tip , bolt head , is allowed
If you happen to have a crossbow at home, can you use it for self-defence? (Assuming you didn't get it for that purpose, you have it for entertainment and it just happened to be close to you when you spotted the intruder )
Dangerous to have one lying around fully cocked yet alone loaded. Also you lose tension (power) over time if kept like that and as others have said, loading takes a while.
I can see a future where possession of all types of weapon including bows and air guns is much more strictly controlled. On the subject of knives, has anybody else noticed that supermarkets and other big store retailers have removed all the kitchen knives from their shelves? I cannot find a single shop in my county town that has a pointy, sharp knife for sale!
A bag of flour could potentially be used as an offence weapon....🤔😊 There are plenty of existing legislation to be used to punish the person involved. Owning or using a crossbow is not illegal and there are legitimate reasons for someone owning one, such as archery, hunting vermin, target practise etc etc So banning them or making the legislation more difficult to own one will do nothing but punish the legitimate owners. The ones who will use them nefariously will continue to do so whatever legislation is in place! That is clear with any banned weapon in this country, look at how many crimes involving hand guns or dangerous knives there are! So a knee jerk reaction, like the one we saw when there was an 'alledged' drone incident at Gatwick Airport a few Christmas's ago, where drones were heavily regulated and legislated against, forcing owners to register and pass online tests etc etc and jump through various hoops in order to fly what is essentially a plastic flying 'toy', is utterly pointless! I don't think there was ever a shred of evidence that a drone was ever involved, certainly no photo or video evidence appeared only eye witness reports, which I still find highly unlikely, over 3 days it was spotted, with the army, police and every press media there, with sophisticated state of the art cameras etc etc A drone could still be flown nefariously by a rogue pilot who will not register or pass any online test. So making legislation against something is often completely pointless. Just use the existing laws already in place and increase the punishment if needed.
@Chris Turnbull I was quoting legitimate uses of a crossbow in general, not just limited to the UK where you are correct, it is indeed illegal, however in most other countries it is perfectly legal to hunt with. But my point still stands, bringing in extra legislation or limiting crossbow use further will do nothing to stop them being used nefariously!
Why when the person is caught… they always name the mental health act…. What happens them and does anyone feel that this is being used too frequently… is it a get out of jail card ..
Luna X interesting… I didn’t know that… thanks … definitely genuine cases with some individuals… but some people know certain loop holes and use this to their advantage… enjoy your day 🤗
Luna X interesting… I didn’t know that… thanks … definitely genuine cases with some individuals… but some people know certain loop holes and use this to their advantage… enjoy your day 🤗
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous if you read what I put you will see I say may have been already known to mh services hence why he was sectioned....however I do agree that mh is being used and abused as for Snapchat 🙄 .....say no more
Crossbows are typically large and slow to reload. For most, if you wanted to cause harm, they would be too slow and unwieldy compared to other options. As powerful as some can be, you also need some knowledge and skill for them to be effective.
The invention of the cross-bow created a huge panic in the Medieval world - it's impact was akin to that of the invention of the gun, which happened a little later. It could pierce most armour of the time, having many more pounds of tension in the bow than the normal long-bow. It was, and is, a lethal weapon. Also, one can be far more accurate with it than with a long-bow. A modern cross-bow can kill as efficiently as a rifle or pistol - and it's silent, of course.
Next up: How does a *980lb* pull weight medieval crossbow compare to a 'large' *150lb* pull weight modern retail crossbow. Spoiler: The retail crossbow is designed for ease of cocking, use & reliability as it's aimed at *hobby users* and not built for military use. Sorry to pop that bubble.
I think you need to go watch some videos on Todd's Workshop and get back to us. Powerful crossbows have a very short stroke so don't make much use of the draw weight. They require cocking aids, or even pall and ratchet devices, which are added and removed during cocking. They aren't that much more accurate than a skilled archer. It took some four hundred years before guns became favoured over longbows. Crossbows are a side note.
Crossbows are a cheap, silent killer that fires almost untraceable bolts. Some are not much bigger than a pistol and can be folded down into a supermarket bag. I'm surprised people are not injured by them more often.
@@loc4725 Yes! A criminal wants to remain hidden from the view. If he wants to buy a crossbow, he has to use a credit card (online retailers mostly for this sort of thing) and provide his ID.
How do you know the cross bow in question was an extremely powerful weapon? If the chap was apprehended with a school ruler bent back with a piece of string the police would cry foul and call it an offensive weapon.
One force actually posted pictures of some 'offesive weapons' they had recently seized. They consisted of several apparently _very_ sharp pencils and a compass. And no I'm not making this up, sadly.
If they pose a threat to you or your family you can use reasonable force in self defence ; shooting someone in the leg might disable them without being fatal .
Her Maj could have turned out the geriatric Honourable Company of Archers , who are her official guard . Of course , there would have been royal protection officers present .
Ha Ha - they ramped up security after all the other "break-ins" & now a deranged teenager got in with a rope-ladder & a cumbersome crossbow - lucky he wasn't a bit more techno. - I don't believe a word of this story.
Indeed , had he given it more thought , he could have weaponised a drone with an IED and flown it in without entering the grounds . One hopes that they have RF blocking like that used around prisons to prevent drones being flown in . Modern drones will be geofenced out but older ones won’t . Not that it would stop a determined terrorist from loading up a light aircraft with explosives and making a suicide flight into one of the residences
Too many laws in this country and they're not interested in enforcing the ones that matter. If we weren't prohibited from having guns and using them on the criminals who need to be on the receiving end like Tony Martin did, we'd have a lot less criminals and more room in the prisons for the ones who should be there. If we also had Singapore style drug laws and enforced them we'd also have a lot less crime and criminals. As Lee Kwan Yeuw said "We had to hang quite a few drug criminals before they understood we meant business and got the message. But they got it eventually."
Not really the drugs still come in as is evident with the hangings each year and hundreds and hundreds of severe lashing with the rattan in Singapore. They kill more people per capita than the USA. They even put you in prison for slander or libel, especially if you take lee Kwan Yeuw to task over something... as a lot of people could testify if they had free speech.
Hi, could a person be prosecuted for asking another person, online if they'd like to meet up in a field for a no rules, unarmed fight with a stipulation that neither party will report any injuries sustained to the police (ringing the ambulance is allowed and the fight would be deemed to be over if either party gives up or is unconscious)? This is a genuine question.
I would think any Traveller forum could answer that or a look at bare knuckle fighting laws/ customs ? I’d think there’s a law covering something every aspect of it somewhere.
I live in the countryside. If I buy a pocket knife with a blade just under 7cm and does not lock. Do I need to provide a reasonable excuse why I have it on me? And is "because I spend a lot of the time outdoors" not reasonable? I was told that if it is a non locking folding knife less than 3 inches then no reason has to be given. Is this just a nonsense?
The police would hardly have to search you for possession of a crossbow, it would be quite obvious and not something you could hide down your trousers ... 😂
As a bower and archer, I make sell and shoot English Target Longbows. My opinion of crossbows is very low. There are a few reasons for this, the main one being is that of the destructive power of these weapons when used on standard archery targets. For this reason our archery club and most other archery clubs don't allow them. Another reason is the ease of use of a crossbow unlike a longbow anyone can pick up a crossbow and straight away make a reasonably accurate shot at medium range. To make that same shot with a longbow takes years of training and practice. Another big reason for most archers dislike of crossbows is the safety aspect. A crossbow can be loaded and cocked and remain so indefinitely. This means it can be carried in that state and if not handled properly can be susceptible to a negligent discharge. This is not really possible with a longbow. What worries me is that the government could legislate against the ownership of crossbows and include Longbows in this legislation, which would put a lot of unnecessary hardship on archers and archery clubs all over the country. I'll just add a little disclaimer here. I'm not saying that all people who use crossbows are irresponsible. I know they are used very responsibly at some field archery clubs and that's fine. They're just not for me or most of the archers in the club's I know.
Well I reckon those damn tags they put on the inside of clothing for the express purpose of irritating your skin should be classified as offensive weapons.
If it were a War bow and a Sunday, he could possibly have got away with the stating he was just popping into the Castle to ask where their butts were, to fulfil his statutory duty, to the Crown, to practice for at least two hours each Sunday, with the bow and at least 3 arrows, that every male over 14 and not in holy orders, had to maintain, to protect the Realm. As i believe only the fines for shirking the statutory obligations were repealed in the 1960's, and the ban on any sport, except archery, on the Restoration.
I have a couple that I use for target practice and they could be very dangerous in the wrong hands like anything. They can be easily bought on line once it is proved you are 18. Maybe for the sake of legitimate future owners they will have to come under a similar scheme like air guns where you usually have to go to the place of purchase and buy them face to face and sign some paper work. I suppose any one who wants to commit harm with one can still do this but so can someone who buys a car.
You would have to have a very good reason to carry a Crossbow in Public, and as with airguns it would have to be sensibly transported in its case, out of public view. Normally you would also keep the ammunition separate from an airgun, but a Crossbow is not a firearm, so even though it would be a sensible choice, it is not advised. Unless this man works in the Castle (obviously not) then the full weight of the law should be thrown at him.
This guy didn't figue he'd be snipered by the time he got anywhere close to crossbow range of anybody 👌 Wouldn't some treason law also come in to play?
I don't agree in killing the Queen or government. But they need removing from their positions and wealth 100 percent. Though violence is bad, its sometimes necessary. After all the Queens family is only in that position themselves , as too government, due to a violent act of over throwing the last. But now want violence to be a bad thing to protect their positions.
I do not possess a crossbow, but I do possess a sporting bow, and why not? Archery is a legitimate sport and I have belonged to Archery clubs in the past. Gawd help us if this incident is used to ban crossbows, the vast majority of whose users are of sound mind and honest citizens. I thought at the time I heard about the incident, without knowing any further details, it would be a mental health issue, nobody outside of the realms of "day of the jackal" fiction would entertain a realistic notion of assassinating the head of state in what is literally a fortress. The gutter press will no doubt be foaming at the mouth as usual at these liberal laws.
I have noticed more and more people getting access to these, and they don't actually need it for target practice. I think we should have tighter registration laws. This male appeared to get one easily and he had mental health issues. I was interested in how he actually got sectioned, surely there should be a doctor of some sort to section him? Some people are very nasty because they have a personality disorder not because they are mentally ill.
Considering the bow terrorist in Norway who killed 5+ people I can see people calling for more restrictions but it does sound like the laws are already in place to deal with this.
I suspect we will have another knee jurk reaction and legislation (probably 2ndry to prevent debate) banning or severely restricting the ownership of crossbows and very possibly other bows (might as well cover all the bases). Unfortunately the only effect any legislation will have is to prevent law-abiding people from participating in sports they enjoy. Anyone who wishes to use a crossbow unlawfully will do so. After the Dunblane massacre the ownership of handguns on mainland Britain was made illegal, other than the destruction of some historically significant pistols which were not able to be moved abroad or sold abroad. All that the legislation achieved was to make it impossible for any law enforcemet agency to have any checks on known guns, it's been estimated that there are more than double the number of handguns in criminal circulation. Once something is made unlawful to own the profitability to criminal gangs increases exponentially. When gun ownership was permitted in a controlled manner the authorities knew where the majority of guns were and would be informed immediately if they were stolen. Because the purchase of guns was in the open it was harder for criminal gangs to operate as sellers abroad would rather sell at a market price which was higher than unlawful buyers would pay. Now it is said that you can purchase a 9mm with ammunition in some cities for under £25! And we wonder why we have more armed police that at any time in peacetime.
Why is it crossbows are considered as weapons but an apparent normal bow and arrow is considered as archery equipment. Correct me please if im wrong but I couldn't actually see on the crossbow act that you couldn't use a crossbow in a public place. So therefore I could use my crossbow in a public place with ample stoppage so my arrows would not pose any risk to the public if in the unlikely event I missed the target ? However we have the typical offensive weapon that's basically people just saying it's a weapon because they don't like it it's illegal to have in a public place ! I have done archery for years and own and youse much more powerfull bows than certain crossbows and to get down to the basics they are exactly the same thing bar a different release ( squeeze of a trigger / release of string )
I would almost guarantee that this man was a frequent user of marijuana, they almost always are and its a footnote in their criminal file. Ross Grainger has compiled a massive amount of data regarding the correlation between the drug and violent crime. Peter Hitchens points it out regularly,
Huh ? I’m 57 and used cannabis and cannabis extracts for 40 yrs.I owned firearms in Canada for 20 yrs.Along with compound bows and crossbows.I had 12g semi auto shotgun Lee Enfield 303 and a 22 rim fire long rifle. I never pulled a weapon on a person in my life. It’s not cannabis that does crimes it’s people and some are mental.
@@petersmith6974 Good for you, still does not take away the fact that Cannabis destroys the mind and reality of many people who go on to commit horrible crimes. I see it in court every week, Solicitors and Barristers claiming the people they are representing was under the influence of drugs at the time as a defence.. Its happening more and more
@@VinPetrol420 Maybe,but alcohol does not do the same thing to the mind that Cannabis does long term, causes acute paranoia in people, Alcohol has been part of our Grecian-Roman culture for thousands of years, Cannabis as a widespread drug has only been with us the last 50 years or so,
How is it that the trespasser requires medical treatment? I’m guessing he didn’t require medical treatment when he came onto Windsor Castle property. Some overzealous security moron no doubt. 🤔
For a start, there is a bona fide legitimate reason to have bows or crossbows: competitive or recreational target shooting. Crossbow target shooting falls both under archery organisations, because a crossbow is a bow too, and the national smallbore rifle association, which covers target shooting with small bore rifles (obviously!), airguns, and crossbows, because a crossbow shooting is also similar to rifle shooting. If in May 2021, they concluded the current law was adequate, it probably means they realised it is technically impossible to license bows or crossbows (serial numbers? proofed parts?) while generally it doesn't pose such a security threat that it is worth wasting the already depleted police time (thanks to their own 10 years of budget cuts). However, they will need to look like they are doing something, so I suspect a practical measure would be to extend the VCRA 2006 to ban online sales, like they did with aurguns. A simple ban, ie adding crossbows on the prohibited list would mean organising a surrender with compensation or risking losing voters. There must be thousands of crossbows bought out of boredom during lockdowns, shot twice in the garden, now collecting dust in the attic.
next time i suggest to that man take a berreta or an m416 or the basic ak 47 or 56. but i think he chosen the crossbow to kill the queen because if he used any gun the queen would have been dead by the firing sound of an AK 47..☠
They ought to be banned outright. It's not good enough to argue that offences are rare. When they do occur they are serious and crossbows are a formidable lethal weapon with long range meaning a sniper can use one. Criminals won't care about possession laws, it's only availability that they care about and the government is ensuring they only need an Amazon account to get one.
@@johnbell1859 One of my Nan's neighbours had two cats, on separate occasions, quite literally ripped to shreds by another neighbour's dog whilst she walked said down the street *without* a lead. Should we ban dogs too? And what about cars? Spades? Catapults? Fireworks? Anything which can readily converted or adapted for use against animals? At what point do you stop?
Should be licensed, that license should be dependant and linked to a membership of a recognized archery club imo. Unless its midnight you are stood next to a cathedral and you are shooting at a Welsh man ofcourse :).
Almost anything can be used as an offensive or deadly weapon, like a car, hammer or even a stick etc. Why do we always jump to legislation to punish the majority or law abiding owners just because of a few idiots. It's the person, not the item and as you say if someone breaks existing law then the police and courts should deal with them appropriately.
Laws are only for the law abiding.
That is true, but the items you mention are not by design intended to be a weapon however, they can be and you would be charged/prosecuted if you used one AS as a weapon under certain circumstances. If 100's of law-abiding people decided to carry a crossbow in public (if the law permitted it), I think many would be concerned, I know I would, and the fact is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously injured or killed. If there was a pressing need to carry a crossbow in public (like a hammer could be for a workman) then it would be different, but I cannot see a reason to carry one other than for the reasons already allowed in law.
It has a lot to do with concealment and what use the object is usually for. Clearly a projectile weapon is more dangerous than an object held when used.
It is why the maximum power of an unregulated airgun, is for a pistol, half that for a rifle.
No doubt in America, you'd say "guns don't kill people..." and be a fully signed up member of the gun lobby.
"Almost anything" Probably stretching things a bit far, let's say a lot of things can be used as an offensive weapon. But if I took a hammer out on a night down the pub my guess would be the police would want an explanation as to why I have a hammer and the same would go for carrying a baseball bat in Sainsbury's. As mentioned before a crossbow is designed to be a weapon and only has the one purpose, unless you wanted to argue that it's handy for drilling holes in wood and your drill has broken. Sometimes it may look like a knee jerk reaction but, with the exception of knife crime in some parts of the UK it's a pretty safe place to live thanks to these laws.
We don't need more laws. The ones we have are stupid.
@o markosmithiskingofthejews There was a BBC report about the first Downing Street party. They asked the Met' Police if they were going to investigate and the answer was no as it happened too long ago. The reporter then pointed out how interesting that was given the several near contemptuous cases that had already been investigated and procecuted by that same force.
I guess this means the law is different if people in power are involved.
@o markosmithiskingofthejews You can tell I was using my phone to write that. Stupid autocorrect. 🙂
@o markosmithiskingofthejews It was reported that several people were recently prosecuted for holding Christmas parties at around the same time as the alleged Downing Street party happened. The Met was apparently happy to prosecute those people now but not anyone involved with the Downing Street party because it happened a while ago.
So it's good to see we're all held to the same standard under the law ('Liz Windsor excepted).
@o markosmithiskingofthejews It's been said the easiest person to convince is yourself and that it is easier to convince someone of a falsehood than it is to convince them that they have been deceived.
Have a nice day.
Far too many things are prohibited her in the U.K. With no noticeable effect on violent crime, but catch out the law abiding citizen who if the police turn up, suddenly finds out that some item they have had for years is now illegal to possess
Yea, like my Opinel knife, the blade length is within the law but it has a safety mechanism to lock the blade thus protecting the users fingers. It was my Grandfather’s.
@o markosmithiskingofthejews - it is. It’s only a collar. But unfortunately that makes it illegal.
@o markosmithiskingofthejews Another waffling bullsh*tter!
@@rogerhargreaves2272 Same with my Gerber multi tools
@@derekheeps1244 - I still take it out hiking with me though. It’s a handy tool.
I have a soft spot for target practice with crossbow's and air rifles, I think the laws around them are suitable that balance out freedoms and safety adequately. No doubt on occasions they may be miss used, but for the vast majority we respect the laws and the reasoning behind them. I am not a fan of knife laws, I have always carried one, not as a weapon but as an everyday tool. I feel instead of treating knives as deadly weapons, we should instead teach younger generations how to respect them and use them as tools rather than as identifying them as weapons / objects to harm someone.
Crossbows fire bolts not arrows. Small but significant difference
and they don't 'fire' the bolts, they 'shoot' them from the crossbow.
Wrong . Many modern day crossbow enthusiasts use the term ‘ arrow ‘ instead of ‘ bolt ‘ . It’s easily checkable if you can be bothered
I doubt this whole situation is real, however sales of crossbows have went through the roof since the pandemic, so i reckon it's a ploy to ban them,
YES DEFO IF A REVOLUTION BRAKES OUT CROSSBOWS AND SAMURAI SWORDS WILL BE ONLY FEW WEAPONS LEGAL TO OWN TO DEFEND OURSELVES !!!!
Seems all too suspicious to me. He just so happened to get that far, ya know with all the armed police and Queens guards around. I smell a rat.
Yeah me too, it's just an excuse to ban or liscense crossbows ..
@@danrawson8515 Yep...
@@danrawson8515 it actually is, FYI the sales of crossbows in the UK and Europe have gone through the roof since the pandemic due to folk arming themselves. Which makes me think the government have tippled to it.
@@zariisofficial they’d best not get too tipsy after their tipples
And as if by magic I read this morning that Priti Patel is reviewed crossbow laws...how miraculous...
*waits for the inevitable knee jerk reaction ban of crossbows*
Yes might be worth buying one now before it's too late
Quite a few years ago, I had a run in with a protection officer who was driving dangerously on Constitution Hill next to Buckingham Palace. This armed officer then has a bout of road rage, and pulls me over.
So I made a complaint. The "camera" was looking the other way. So I asked the met to request video from Buckingham palace security cameras. Interestingly, I did get a letter from head of security there. None of those cameras [there are over a dozen] are working.
It's not surprising that a German tourist shinned over the wall, and camped for a night. Security found him brewing a cup of coffee and having a breakfast in the morning.
This was Windsor Castle but point taken. Sad to hear there isn't permanent on site protection for Her Maj too... Seems they just rely on Armed Response.
But I'm not being funny as I know there plenty of anti-royals but let's at least protect them properly if we have them.
This would have been an unforgiveable breach if the old girl was harmed in any way.
Not like this hasn't happened in the past...
yes. security are very lax there. I remember security asking Prince Andrew for ID or something like that, they don't even know what he looks like lol
@@Nickle314 true
Clearly we need to ban coffee. And camping supplies.
@@Nickle314 Germany is actually a good example of states starting out with good laws and then going progressively more deranged. For example, you can own a hand gun but not if it has a light (but lasers are OK apparently). And pepper spray is legal too.
When the law protects criminals this sort of thing will happen.
Those that make the so called laws are the worst criminals of all,don't forget that!
bans on weapons are mostly irrelevant, anything that comes to hand could be used as a weapon be it a fork, table , a bottle etc etc
That's right. You can kill at 100m with a table.
@@robburrows2737 You could if you threw it out of a high rise flat
Yeah like a shopping bag with two tins of beans or a large packet of chilli powder.
I don't intend to own or walk around with crossbow anywhere anytime soon or ever. However it does remind me of my friend who once bought an air riffle and while being asked to point the air riffle down while he was holding it, asked, if this was the trigger? Then pulled the trigger and shot a pellet into his foot.
So the law regarding crossbows is the same as the law regarding knives, the latter being regarded as tightly controlled. Also FYI a crossbow isn't a firearm - 2.05min on 'unlike other firearms & shotguns'.
Observation 1. Dressed in a red suit with white trim, he was caught trying to get down a chimney
Observation 2. Why is it that the elite get protected, but if I ring 999 about organised crime, the police don't respond?
Because 999 is nine nine nine - converted to German means no no no , means no to protection
One reason I think for minimal control from HMG is that it takes forever to load one. Knives and firearms can be used again in seconds. Hence the controls we have. But when I bought mine I walked into a shop, showed my driver's licence and was told not to get it out on the bus.
Take a look at repeating crossbows. 10 shots in 10 seconds :)
Compound crossbow fire to reload n fire about five seconds.
@@Scotland2306 I've got the adder mate. Excellent bit of kit.
@@DarrylHart Fantastic. I'd love to have a small aluminium Instant Legolas from Jorg or the polish boy he collaborated with.
@@Scotland2306 shhhhh😉
I love my bows this better not lead to legislation
It will...
It won't, the legislation is already sufficient.
@@grahvis I think it is but you know what people are like
@@zulvalor7266 .
I know there are those who will demand more laws against something for which there are already adequate laws that control it.
However I can't see many people wandering around, shooting off arrows in a dangerous manner and causing a problem.
It better had
the jab is an offensive weapon
A curious difference between UK and Norwegian law that i discovered when i joined an archery club here in Norway - Whilst "normal" bows (including compound bows) are basically unregulated in Norway, crossbows are treated as firearms and subject to the same checks and licensing. I've long wondered why the UK hasn't had stronger checks on them, but i can only surmise that the legal system tends to be reactionary rather than preventative, and is waiting for an atrocity to happen before bothering to look at the issue.
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous And you can make one in your shed.
Agreed, in the UK we are very naive and trusting. I am not like that.
Fun fact:
In the UK, pistols are banned and crossbows are unregulated.
In the Isle of Man (a Crown Dependency) pistols are legal and crossbows are regulated.
Because they're really not an issue.
But you're right, the law generally starts off from a fairly sensible position but becomes progresively corrupted by knee-jerk reactions and government incompetence.
For example, up until 1998 pistols were controlled but legal. Then a series of serious (as in totally incomprehensible) police failings led to a mentally defective man, who was known to the police being granted a licence 'because reasons'. And as per usual the law abiding got punished.
I'm guessing the same has happened there?
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous modifications that effectively mean you may as well own a rifle.
Nothing wrong with any offensive weapon.
It's their misuse by unsuitable owners where the problem is.
Carrying any firearm, aigun or crossbow in public requires them to be in a case
or other suitable cover.
I strongly agree with the comment by FXPeter22, why punish those of us that are
sensible enough to hold weapons and use them in suitable places just for a few
that are not safe with any sort of weapon? 😆
A firearm or airgun requires a firearms certificate and you CANNOT just walk around with them in public regardless of them being in a case or other suitable cover, they must be transported from your home to the intended place of use by secure transport (UK law), not walked there and not allowed on public transport, bus, train etc, they are all firearm offences under the Firearms Act 1968 which has been majorly amended in 1988, 1997 and again in 2017.
@@1t_wasnt_me Airguns only require a firearms certificate if they exceed the 12ft lbs muzzle velocity in England or Wales. Scotland has different regulations.
I am a firearms certificate holder, and i am fully aware of the regulations regarding transporting them.
With the possible exception of farmers who need them for pest control , or euthanising injured livestock , there is no reason for any members of the public to own or keep firearms simply as a hobby .
@@derekheeps1244 Why does there have to be a specific, non-recreational "need" to own firearms?
@@derekheeps1244 Everyone has their own interests and hobbies.
I can think of a lot of hobbies that require ownership of items that
could be classed as dangerous and not controlled the same way as
guns are.
Some people climb mountains, get into trouble then expect others
to risk their lives to bring them back to safety.
Sadly a very predictable reaction from people who wish to punish the vast majority of law abiding crossbow owners who enjoy their sport. Banning crossbows will do nothing to prevent crime as by its very definition the criminals ignore the laws of this land. As mentioned by the barrister strong penalties quite rightly are already there for misuse. A crossbow is not a firearm and only a single shot device (takes more than 30 seconds to cock and load a standard crossbow - unlike a bow which is faster shooting - one of the reasons why the English & Welsh archers beat the French in various wars). Unlike a gun, a bow or crossbow is relatively easy to make. How many people of my generation made bows to play with as kids without causing harm? I can see kids getting into trouble with the authorities doing this today. We need to move away from this modern mentality of "banning" anything that could potentially cause harm if misused and use existing laws for the criminals out there. You may not care about crossbows being banned but you can be sure that something else that affects you will be "banned" in the future
Indeed, why waste parliament time on something that is not a problem or even of public interest until some wokey group stirs it up.
We have a few of these and they are powerful and can penetrate 111a armour. And I can see in the future laws coming in 🤔
Shhhh
Priti Patel already drawing up new laws on them. I smell a false flag 🤭
@@stop-the-greed 😁👍
Question, when it comes to the offence possession of a crossbow in a public place is necessary that the crossbow is in operational condition, ie with bolts (arrows) or bow string fitted?
this is a matter of discretion of the arresting officer at the moment as far as i am aware. obviously the it's up to CPS and the courts to decide whether to prosecute and whether it meets the offense.
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous you're waffling, stop it!
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous But the bolts would probably count.
When I bought a bow, a compound one, 1992 (not a crossbow) as I learnt archery at college and enjoyed it. We were always taught to be careful where you point the bow and arrow so you would not hurt anyone.
I rang the local police and asked if I needed to register it or have a license at the time.
My simple bow that I bought as a kit (had to buy the paint as well) was in my price range (£40) could kill someone. As a result I was always careful when I used it. I only ever used it at a target, the gold. I would always put it in a case when I had finished with it.
It is currently locked away safe as I have nowhere to use it now. Also I have since been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and my balance is rubbish.
Ban wankers not weapons? Just a thought.
Quick - take all bows & crossbows (in fact to be safe all pointy sticks & even cutlery) off everyone & take more scarce public money from the suffering masses & give it all to the richest woman in the world for extra security that will fail to prevent the next hardly believable "break -in".
That clown Priti Patel wants to "review" the law on crossbows, Typical mentality, blame the object and not the individual. 🙄
It's not a fire arm . Don't go down this road . Next archery is outlawed . The. Law is already in place . No cross bow bolt with a hunting or lethal tip is allowed under UK law . Blunt tip , bolt head , is allowed
It is legal in the UK to own a 50 Cal sniper rifle or semi auto shotgun, but not a tazer or pepper spray... How dumb is that?
Until somebody invents a target shooting sport using tasers or pepper spray there isn't, in UK law, a legitimate reason for owning them.
Existing legislation covers crossbows, nothing more is required.
Clearly he got access to it and he supposedly had mental health issues
Somebody from the special needs religion
Yes! That is Christianity?
If you happen to have a crossbow at home, can you use it for self-defence? (Assuming you didn't get it for that purpose, you have it for entertainment and it just happened to be close to you when you spotted the intruder )
Dangerous to have one lying around fully cocked yet alone loaded. Also you lose tension (power) over time if kept like that and as others have said, loading takes a while.
I can see a future where possession of all types of weapon including bows and air guns is much more strictly controlled. On the subject of knives, has anybody else noticed that supermarkets and other big store retailers have removed all the kitchen knives from their shelves? I cannot find a single shop in my county town that has a pointy, sharp knife for sale!
There were plenty for sale in asda when i went yesterday
@@redred7289 they are on the shelves where i live in sheffield
Lidl regularly has a promotion selection of varyious kitchen knives on their shelves, individual, pairs and sets.
Loads in Morrisons but they all have little plastic covers on the tips so you can't poke them through the packaging and open on in the shop.
@@TheMrbobscott I would hope you can still buy knives in Sheffield
A bag of flour could potentially be used as an offence weapon....🤔😊
There are plenty of existing legislation to be used to punish the person involved.
Owning or using a crossbow is not illegal and there are legitimate reasons for someone owning one, such as archery, hunting vermin, target practise etc etc
So banning them or making the legislation more difficult to own one will do nothing but punish the legitimate owners.
The ones who will use them nefariously will continue to do so whatever legislation is in place!
That is clear with any banned weapon in this country, look at how many crimes involving hand guns or dangerous knives there are!
So a knee jerk reaction, like the one we saw when there was an 'alledged' drone incident at Gatwick Airport a few Christmas's ago, where drones were heavily regulated and legislated against, forcing owners to register and pass online tests etc etc and jump through various hoops in order to fly what is essentially a plastic flying 'toy', is utterly pointless!
I don't think there was ever a shred of evidence that a drone was ever involved, certainly no photo or video evidence appeared only eye witness reports, which I still find highly unlikely, over 3 days it was spotted, with the army, police and every press media there, with sophisticated state of the art cameras etc etc
A drone could still be flown nefariously by a rogue pilot who will not register or pass any online test.
So making legislation against something is often completely pointless.
Just use the existing laws already in place and increase the punishment if needed.
@Chris Turnbull I was quoting legitimate uses of a crossbow in general, not just limited to the UK where you are correct, it is indeed illegal, however in most other countries it is perfectly legal to hunt with.
But my point still stands, bringing in extra legislation or limiting crossbow use further will do nothing to stop them being used nefariously!
Why when the person is caught… they always name the mental health act…. What happens them and does anyone feel that this is being used too frequently… is it a get out of jail card ..
Yes far too often, however in this case we don't know the perpetrators background they may have been already known to mental health services 🤔
Luna X interesting… I didn’t know that… thanks … definitely genuine cases with some individuals… but some people know certain loop holes and use this to their advantage… enjoy your day 🤗
Luna X interesting… I didn’t know that… thanks … definitely genuine cases with some individuals… but some people know certain loop holes and use this to their advantage… enjoy your day 🤗
@Ubiquitous Ubiquitous if you read what I put you will see I say may have been already known to mh services hence why he was sectioned....however I do agree that mh is being used and abused as for Snapchat 🙄 .....say no more
Natasha Bennett I know… seems to be the case … they always seem to be known when something bad happens… 🤗🤗
Crossbows are typically large and slow to reload. For most, if you wanted to cause harm, they would be too slow and unwieldy compared to other options. As powerful as some can be, you also need some knowledge and skill for them to be effective.
A bit like driving a car. Or a truck along a promenade in Southern France, and yet they are both still legal. 🤔
Quiet though for the element of surprise especially if intending to use on several occasions.
Ridiculous story...how did he sneak a crossbow in to such a high security place....fake news imho
I believe crossbows fire bolts not arrows hence the expression "he has shot his bolt"!
The invention of the cross-bow created a huge panic in the Medieval world - it's impact was akin to that of the invention of the gun, which happened a little later. It could pierce most armour of the time, having many more pounds of tension in the bow than the normal long-bow. It was, and is, a lethal weapon. Also, one can be far more accurate with it than with a long-bow. A modern cross-bow can kill as efficiently as a rifle or pistol - and it's silent, of course.
Next up: How does a *980lb* pull weight medieval crossbow compare to a 'large' *150lb* pull weight modern retail crossbow.
Spoiler: The retail crossbow is designed for ease of cocking, use & reliability as it's aimed at *hobby users* and not built for military use. Sorry to pop that bubble.
I think you need to go watch some videos on Todd's Workshop and get back to us. Powerful crossbows have a very short stroke so don't make much use of the draw weight. They require cocking aids, or even pall and ratchet devices, which are added and removed during cocking. They aren't that much more accurate than a skilled archer. It took some four hundred years before guns became favoured over longbows. Crossbows are a side note.
Crossbows are a cheap, silent killer that fires almost untraceable bolts. Some are not much bigger than a pistol and can be folded down into a supermarket bag. I'm surprised people are not injured by them more often.
agreed. I understand they are being used a lot more now, as easier to get, particularlly gangs in London
Basically because if you are the criminal sort, guns are a lot easier to obtain and are more effective.
That they're hardly ever used in crime should tell you something.
@@loc4725 Yes! A criminal wants to remain hidden from the view. If he wants to buy a crossbow, he has to use a credit card (online retailers mostly for this sort of thing) and provide his ID.
Is a crossbow still an offensive weapon if you are not carrying any bolts? i.e. unloaded.
How do you know the cross bow in question was an extremely powerful weapon? If the chap was apprehended with a school ruler bent back with a piece of string the police would cry foul and call it an offensive weapon.
One force actually posted pictures of some 'offesive weapons' they had recently seized. They consisted of several apparently _very_ sharp pencils and a compass.
And no I'm not making this up, sadly.
So can a person shoot you with a crossbow if you are trespassing on their private property?
If they pose a threat to you or your family you can use reasonable force in self defence ; shooting someone in the leg might disable them without being fatal .
Advancing on a Castle with a Crossbow...
...surely a historical imperative during this time of civil turmoil and despondence.
Surprised that Windsor Castle grounds, with the Queen in residence, can be described as a public place.
Her Maj could have turned out the geriatric Honourable Company of Archers , who are her official guard .
Of course , there would have been royal protection officers present .
Bolts, not arrows lol
Ha Ha - they ramped up security after all the other "break-ins" & now a deranged teenager got in with a rope-ladder & a cumbersome crossbow - lucky he wasn't a bit more techno. - I don't believe a word of this story.
Indeed , had he given it more thought , he could have weaponised a drone with an IED and flown it in without entering the grounds .
One hopes that they have RF blocking like that used around prisons to prevent drones being flown in . Modern drones will be geofenced out but older ones won’t .
Not that it would stop a determined terrorist from loading up a light aircraft with explosives and making a suicide flight into one of the residences
Its sounds as if he should have been apprehended a lot earlier
I watch Court TV on you tube very often live from America, my question is why are the law Courts in the UK not as open or accountable to the public
Most are open to the public, it is recording that is usually banned.
There's always Judge Rinder.😉😂
Disarming citizens.
Too many laws in this country and they're not interested in enforcing the ones that matter. If we weren't prohibited from having guns and using them on the criminals who need to be on the receiving end like Tony Martin did, we'd have a lot less criminals and more room in the prisons for the ones who should be there. If we also had Singapore style drug laws and enforced them we'd also have a lot less crime and criminals. As Lee Kwan Yeuw said "We had to hang quite a few drug criminals before they understood we meant business and got the message. But they got it eventually."
Not really the drugs still come in as is evident with the hangings each year and hundreds and hundreds of severe lashing with the rattan in Singapore. They kill more people per capita than the USA. They even put you in prison for slander or libel, especially if you take lee Kwan Yeuw to task over something... as a lot of people could testify if they had free speech.
Many owners of crossbows will be shocked at any possible tighning of laws.
Did William Tell die in vain ?
Hi, could a person be prosecuted for asking another person, online if they'd like to meet up in a field for a no rules, unarmed fight with a stipulation that neither party will report any injuries sustained to the police (ringing the ambulance is allowed and the fight would be deemed to be over if either party gives up or is unconscious)?
This is a genuine question.
What's the first rule of Fight Club?!
@@NicholasWoodley
It was a serious question Nicholas.
I would think any Traveller forum could answer that or a look at bare knuckle fighting laws/ customs ? I’d think there’s a law covering something every aspect of it somewhere.
@@goldilocks913 OK, thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@davidjacobs828 sorry l couldn’t be more helpful. All the best
Also, the grounds and castle are Section 128 sites under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005
So not a public place then, ( re the offensive weapon).
I live in the countryside. If I buy a pocket knife with a blade just under 7cm and does not lock. Do I need to provide a reasonable excuse why I have it on me? And is "because I spend a lot of the time outdoors" not reasonable? I was told that if it is a non locking folding knife less than 3 inches then no reason has to be given. Is this just a nonsense?
The police would hardly have to search you for possession of a crossbow, it would be quite obvious and not something you could hide down your trousers ... 😂
All he wanted to see, was Phil's will.
'Hit a snag Sarge, the RSPCA say they can't take more than two of his reindeer . . .'
As a bower and archer, I make sell and shoot English Target Longbows. My opinion of crossbows is very low. There are a few reasons for this, the main one being is that of the destructive power of these weapons when used on standard archery targets. For this reason our archery club and most other archery clubs don't allow them. Another reason is the ease of use of a crossbow unlike a longbow anyone can pick up a crossbow and straight away make a reasonably accurate shot at medium range. To make that same shot with a longbow takes years of training and practice. Another big reason for most archers dislike of crossbows is the safety aspect. A crossbow can be loaded and cocked and remain so indefinitely. This means it can be carried in that state and if not handled properly can be susceptible to a negligent discharge. This is not really possible with a longbow. What worries me is that the government could legislate against the ownership of crossbows and include Longbows in this legislation, which would put a lot of unnecessary hardship on archers and archery clubs all over the country.
I'll just add a little disclaimer here. I'm not saying that all people who use crossbows are irresponsible. I know they are used very responsibly at some field archery clubs and that's fine. They're just not for me or most of the archers in the club's I know.
A nice English sounding name he had too…. Gotta love that diversity proving time and again how well it’s working 😂
Well I reckon those damn tags they put on the inside of clothing for the express purpose of irritating your skin should be classified as offensive weapons.
If it were a War bow and a Sunday, he could possibly have got away with the stating he was just popping into the Castle to ask where their butts were, to fulfil his statutory duty, to the Crown, to practice for at least two hours each Sunday, with the bow and at least 3 arrows, that every male over 14 and not in holy orders, had to maintain, to protect the Realm. As i believe only the fines for shirking the statutory obligations were repealed in the 1960's, and the ban on any sport, except archery, on the Restoration.
“Man from Southhampton” 🤔
Are we sure he wasn't just auditing?
So he took a crossbow by mistake rather than his camera??🤔
An arrow is a knife by your definition.
I have a couple that I use for target practice and they could be very dangerous in the wrong hands like anything. They can be easily bought on line once it is proved you are 18. Maybe for the sake of legitimate future owners they will have to come under a similar scheme like air guns where you usually have to go to the place of purchase and buy them face to face and sign some paper work. I suppose any one who wants to commit harm with one can still do this but so can someone who buys a car.
Test Case says only a weapon if loaded.
You would have to have a very good reason to carry a Crossbow in Public, and as with airguns it would have to be sensibly transported in its case, out of public view. Normally you would also keep the ammunition separate from an airgun, but a Crossbow is not a firearm, so even though it would be a sensible choice, it is not advised. Unless this man works in the Castle (obviously not) then the full weight of the law should be thrown at him.
British crown has to pay for what horrors they had done.
If it's not allowed for hunting, what is it's lawful "purpose".
Surely the "bolt" itself breaks the 3 inch pointy sharpie thingy law, no?
Recreation. And having a "pointy sharpie thingy" does not mean it has a blade.
Lawful purpose? Nothing needs a "lawful purpose". A perfectly valid reason for owning one is because you want to.
@@loc4725 "Bladed article".
It's pretty much a 100mph shank.
@@discomikeyboy2012 Indeed!
@@kevinkascolinkeithtimghera4305 But that doesn't make it bladed. Be definition it would need to have a cutting edge, a 'blade'.
This guy didn't figue he'd be snipered by the time he got anywhere close to crossbow range of anybody 👌
Wouldn't some treason law also come in to play?
Tony Bliar got rid of the treason laws. Lucky for him.
Sorry, not strictly relevant- but would really like your analysis of the current legality of 'guard dogs'.
Never mind dogs , some places use vicious geese .
it is a crime if you dont practice with your bow on sunday ,you must have a bow and no less then 4 arrows thats the law
I don't agree in killing the Queen or government. But they need removing from their positions and wealth 100 percent. Though violence is bad, its sometimes necessary. After all the Queens family is only in that position themselves , as too government, due to a violent act of over throwing the last. But now want violence to be a bad thing to protect their positions.
Is it same with a bow
I do not possess a crossbow, but I do possess a sporting bow, and why not? Archery is a legitimate sport and I have belonged to Archery clubs in the past. Gawd help us if this incident is used to ban crossbows, the vast majority of whose users are of sound mind and honest citizens. I thought at the time I heard about the incident, without knowing any further details, it would be a mental health issue, nobody outside of the realms of "day of the jackal" fiction would entertain a realistic notion of assassinating the head of state in what is literally a fortress. The gutter press will no doubt be foaming at the mouth as usual at these liberal laws.
I have noticed more and more people getting access to these, and they don't actually need it for target practice. I think we should have tighter registration laws. This male appeared to get one easily and he had mental health issues. I was interested in how he actually got sectioned, surely there should be a doctor of some sort to section him? Some people are very nasty because they have a personality disorder not because they are mentally ill.
Search anyone they believe to be in possession of a crossbow. Haha
" whats that lrge crossbow shape bulge in your pocket??"
Got a 80 lb pistol version. Good tool if it’s needed to be used.Definitely not a non lethal tool.Especially with broadheads.
Handy as a defensive weapon if you’re worried about burglars , great advantage is they are silent .
Considering the bow terrorist in Norway who killed 5+ people I can see people calling for more restrictions but it does sound like the laws are already in place to deal with this.
I don't think so, it needs to be registered and so that someone with severe MH health problems doesn't get access to it
It was just your bog standard shooting weekend.
What about bows?
I suspect we will have another knee jurk reaction and legislation (probably 2ndry to prevent debate) banning or severely restricting the ownership of crossbows and very possibly other bows (might as well cover all the bases). Unfortunately the only effect any legislation will have is to prevent law-abiding people from participating in sports they enjoy. Anyone who wishes to use a crossbow unlawfully will do so. After the Dunblane massacre the ownership of handguns on mainland Britain was made illegal, other than the destruction of some historically significant pistols which were not able to be moved abroad or sold abroad.
All that the legislation achieved was to make it impossible for any law enforcemet agency to have any checks on known guns, it's been estimated that there are more than double the number of handguns in criminal circulation.
Once something is made unlawful to own the profitability to criminal gangs increases exponentially. When gun ownership was permitted in a controlled manner the authorities knew where the majority of guns were and would be informed immediately if they were stolen. Because the purchase of guns was in the open it was harder for criminal gangs to operate as sellers abroad would rather sell at a market price which was higher than unlawful buyers would pay.
Now it is said that you can purchase a 9mm with ammunition in some cities for under £25! And we wonder why we have more armed police that at any time in peacetime.
Why is it crossbows are considered as weapons but an apparent normal bow and arrow is considered as archery equipment. Correct me please if im wrong but I couldn't actually see on the crossbow act that you couldn't use a crossbow in a public place. So therefore I could use my crossbow in a public place with ample stoppage so my arrows would not pose any risk to the public if in the unlikely event I missed the target ? However we have the typical offensive weapon that's basically people just saying it's a weapon because they don't like it it's illegal to have in a public place ! I have done archery for years and own and youse much more powerfull bows than certain crossbows and to get down to the basics they are exactly the same thing bar a different release ( squeeze of a trigger / release of string )
I would almost guarantee that this man was a frequent user of marijuana, they almost always are and its a footnote in their criminal file. Ross Grainger has compiled a massive amount of data regarding the correlation between the drug and violent crime. Peter Hitchens points it out regularly,
Huh ? I’m 57 and used cannabis and cannabis extracts for 40 yrs.I owned firearms in Canada for 20 yrs.Along with compound bows and crossbows.I had 12g semi auto shotgun Lee Enfield 303 and a 22 rim fire long rifle. I never pulled a weapon on a person in my life.
It’s not cannabis that does crimes it’s people and some are mental.
@@petersmith6974 Good for you, still does not take away the fact that Cannabis destroys the mind and reality of many people who go on to commit horrible crimes. I see it in court every week, Solicitors and Barristers claiming the people they are representing was under the influence of drugs at the time as a defence.. Its happening more and more
@@petersmith6974 but the mentality of someone who enjoys killing animals isn't great
Do you think he uses alcohol too?
@@VinPetrol420 Maybe,but alcohol does not do the same thing to the mind that Cannabis does long term, causes acute paranoia in people, Alcohol has been part of our Grecian-Roman culture for thousands of years, Cannabis as a widespread drug has only been with us the last 50 years or so,
A teen, not a man.
19= man
@@BlackBeltBarrister No, 19 for a man is a baby. Not even a female of 19 can be called "a woman", leave alone a boy.
How is it that the trespasser requires medical treatment? I’m guessing he didn’t require medical treatment when he came onto Windsor Castle property. Some overzealous security moron no doubt. 🤔
For a start, there is a bona fide legitimate reason to have bows or crossbows: competitive or recreational target shooting. Crossbow target shooting falls both under archery organisations, because a crossbow is a bow too, and the national smallbore rifle association, which covers target shooting with small bore rifles (obviously!), airguns, and crossbows, because a crossbow shooting is also similar to rifle shooting. If in May 2021, they concluded the current law was adequate, it probably means they realised it is technically impossible to license bows or crossbows (serial numbers? proofed parts?) while generally it doesn't pose such a security threat that it is worth wasting the already depleted police time (thanks to their own 10 years of budget cuts). However, they will need to look like they are doing something, so I suspect a practical measure would be to extend the VCRA 2006 to ban online sales, like they did with aurguns. A simple ban, ie adding crossbows on the prohibited list would mean organising a surrender with compensation or risking losing voters. There must be thousands of crossbows bought out of boredom during lockdowns, shot twice in the garden, now collecting dust in the attic.
Does anybody here know the law on spear guns? If it is the same as crossbows?
It would come under section 25 of the firearms act
next time i suggest to that man take a berreta or an m416 or the basic ak 47 or 56.
but i think he chosen the crossbow to kill the queen because if he used any gun the queen would have been dead by the firing sound of an AK 47..☠
They ought to be banned outright. It's not good enough to argue that offences are rare. When they do occur they are serious and crossbows are a formidable lethal weapon with long range meaning a sniper can use one. Criminals won't care about possession laws, it's only availability that they care about and the government is ensuring they only need an Amazon account to get one.
Anyone with reasonable mechanical competence could make one
My car has a long range. And motor vehicles can, and have, been used to murder people. Perhaps we should ban those?
It’s a lethal weapon, a disgusting piece of kit that people should never have access to unless it’s in competition. 🇬🇧
agreed
Try "piece" of kit.
Why is it "a disgusting piece of kit" and why should people never have access to it?
@@loc4725 This type of disgusting weapon is used to kill people, people’s pets and wildlife. What part of that don’t you think is not disgusting. 🇬🇧
@@johnbell1859 One of my Nan's neighbours had two cats, on separate occasions, quite literally ripped to shreds by another neighbour's dog whilst she walked said down the street *without* a lead. Should we ban dogs too?
And what about cars? Spades? Catapults? Fireworks? Anything which can readily converted or adapted for use against animals? At what point do you stop?
no one cares
Should be licensed, that license should be dependant and linked to a membership of a recognized archery club imo. Unless its midnight you are stood next to a cathedral and you are shooting at a Welsh man ofcourse :).