Big deal, what a waste of time. Equality is the last thing he wants. Or anyone. Can you imagine the disruption to the economy , not just one ethnic group but all of us. That's just were we are now is a better place to start from. I suspect he's more about selling us all out to the dilemma that is America's disparity. A bit of honisty and maths around the fisharys coupled with our inovation and prowess would get us rich as. It's little more than flashed up hunter gather, augument the sea life at all levels.
@bobsemple07 its too late division has been created you can already see the comments. Typical Westminster thought processes, that's what you would do when you feel threatened and loosing the status quo
@bobsemple07 then what is David doing? He says nz is multicultural except maori culture that's not fair? Okay😅 nobodies gonna bring up the land theft by the Government called perpetual leases making it impossible for maori to buy back the land that was confiscated Due to colonisation and white supremacy? Or are you saying maori are meant to be that way and that's what every body means by all new Zealanders are the same. That all new Zealanders and the government are the same not maori though they aren't allowed to be equal.? If maori didn't fight for their culture they would have nothing at all which is apparently what you want for your all is equal new Zealanders... luckily they were there before new Zealanders were😂 keep fighting even though they've been doing it for 200 years and people like you think there better off to assimilate than to preserve.........
Team of 5 million aren’t signatories of Te Tiriti. They don’t get a say sorry. It’s like the team of 5 million don’t get a say on the mortgage contract you signed with the bank. It’s between you and the bank. Māori and the Crown.
@johnburnett3942 John, come on John. At least the "idiots" don't sit behind a phone and call people idiots. You should of went to Wellington and told them all. But you are without balls.
Your just upset that Maori have massive support from all races both here and worldwide. Worse for YOU is the amount of pakeha who support Maori...it absolutely makes you SEETHE lol
@@questor55ridiculous the treaty protects pre 1840 existing rights of Maori in exchange for the right to govern. Maori pre 1840 existing right of tinorangatiratanga is the right of self determination of Maori by Maori. Removing the rights of one people by another does not equate to equality it equates to tyranny of the majority and is an infringement on the ability of Maori to exercise the right.
@@bronzie59this meme of gravy train is misleading as the compensation is only 3% of what Maori have lost and during those years to now haven't had productivity because of their lands were stolen very simple explanation
The question I will put to you is this ,What did previous NZ achievers do differently , they rose in their chosen fields by doing hard work ,diligence, explored avenues , to better themselves, they asked how can I better our country , what can I do for my country , stand take some responsibility for what I do. Sir Howard Morrison, Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, Sir Apirana Ngtea , Dame Lisa ,Lydia Ko., many of my brothers I served with in the forces were upstanding Maori men and women , proud to call them brothers and sisters ,The best of the best , ,Willie Apiata ,Colonial Ponanga , yes supposedly colonization gave them these opportunities, that's obviously how they saw colonization, at the end of the day ,We are our only problem and we are our only solution.
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
other than the hundreds of thousands of Kiwis who call him and you his cult racists. When you say everyone you mean everyone who hates Maoris. Maate there just aren't enough of you. You lot lost now get on with it because this is consuming your lives. It's better to love not hate
@@fumikoisadog3023 what propaganda? My opinion is based entirely on what I've seen maori say in the comments sections and my own conversations with maori. If I've gotten any propaganda its been from the maori people them selves.
Does The Hui also note they ignore Sir Apirana Ngati's long research, carefully consulted, presentation on the Articles and how they should be used? No. Only cite recently indoctrinated researchers.
1 vote for universal humanity. I'm sick of hearing Maori and non Maori. Pakeha and colonist. We all came from somewhere else. We all have mixed blood. David is fighting against the idea of racial superiority. He understands that a country going down that path is destructive and he is trying to steer us away from it. Many are saying his bill is divisive....but it is division between races that has brought him to this place, and this is his way of fighting it. He simply believes in true democracy and equality for all regardless of where we came from. Is that really so bad? Good interview Julian. This is what the conversation should look like,
The more tribal we get, the easier it is to divide us. A house divided can not stand. We need to move forward as one people. There are larger powers that would affect all of us from global entities to the impacts of extreme climates, we need each other regardless of our race and ethnicity.
If the 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill' passes into law, it guarantees constitutionally 'tino rangatiratanga' for everyone under governance of the Crown for perpetuity, including ALL representatives of the Crown. Anyone in breach of the New Zealand Constitution (of which the governance of laws is made, and of which are made up from these principles along with other human rights bills and acts), will be held accountable for treason in law. Treason is the most punishable crime along with murder, carrying the weight of Life Imprisonment. This is what 'equality' is.........ONE Law that accounts for the actions of everyone equally. Who is more right? A Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A non-Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A Judge who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A Politician who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A Govenor General who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A King who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
@@moomovers No march by David, he will just continue to sit in his safe corner with his robotic memorised version of his bill and hidden agenda of committing coroprate exploitation of our country all the while fooling as many as he can that this is about equal rights 🙄
Yes he has actually handle all the hate that is being towards them over the spell really well. I actually feel most people just jump on the hate bandwagon without actually finding out more information.
The reported claims Maori have less access to health and education. This has to be the biggest lie ever, out of all the countries on THE PLANET, NZ has some of the easiest ways to access those things. Just because a certain culture doesn't take advantage of it doesn't mean the system is against them. How is possible that the immigrants arriving here from third world countries can get ahead so quick? I know many many that did just that. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
@@ioijiopjkiopjkp Optain a logic, equal rights for whom? yourself over others? that is the reality of when idiots like you sell out. I come to your house, you now sleep in the garage and I will feed you my leftovers, that is your equal rights! Ignorance is bliss. There is one thing you will never comprehend because of your selfish individual greed is that you want something that belongs to another.
@@ioijiopjkiopjkp extinguishing pre-existing right before the treaty is actually racist remember this only happened 184 years ago in the scheme of things this isn't long ago
What 3rd world countries are u talking about and what percentage of the world demographic do they fall into?? U pick n choose percentages when it suits. I believe China and India are still classed as 3rd world countries with the 2 largest populations on earth?? Now you u wanna put race back on the table to fit your argument??🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽🤷🏽 How did they go with health n education in the 3rd world country they came from??🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
He's a racists right wing bigot disguised in a suit the modern kkk go look at the treaty academics in the pakeha world agree Seymour is wrong. U wud fit in south africa really well suggest u move there
You wouldn't say that if he took your land and rented it out to someone else without your approval - hmmmmm, equal rights, not such a great idea now...!!!! Now I'd love to see your reply about how to justify Maori having their land stolen ?
Big part of this is Seymour getting the headlines. Sick way of operating. Talks about this country but he fukt off to Canada for number of years. A millionaire telling others what is fair. Where have we heard that before……
As Richard said above, Māori need equity. Best way to differentiate is the following little story: Brothers Bill, Ben and Bobby walked home from school and there was a cricket match on. The cricket match was behind a wall. All three boys wanted to watch it so Bill, the oldest found three wooden crates all the same height. He lay all three boxes out so he and his brothers could see above the wall. Ben and Bobby were shorter than Bill, so while the box lifted him up higher, the other two were still too short. Bill went and found another two boxes and Ben and Bobby stacked them on top. Now Bill and Ben could see but little Bobby was still too short. Bill found one last box and stacked them three high. Now all the boys could watch the cricket game. The equality is all three boys had one box to start. But equality doesn't mean equity. Only when all three boys got to watch the cricket match was there equity. Māori are disadvantaged due to colonization. It is the responsibility of the NZ govt to ensure that policies are made in accordance with Te Tiriti. That is why the scrapping of Te Aka what Ora was so disastrous.
This bill does have 3 very interesting articles which absolutely need fair attention & national discussion... It is wrong for media & politicians to label the Bill as divisive & therefore wrong. Countless very divisive Bills have gone through parliament over recent decades... it has not caused NZ or Government to shy away from the difficult questions & discussions. There are many NZers / voters who are actually very interested in what has been presented by the ACT Party. Fear, anger & negativity at this stage is counter productive & disrespectful of our democratic process. It would have been better if National & NZ First had given the bill time for the due process to complete before playing their cards in such a negative & dismissive manner... Extremely disappointing & almost makes it appear pointless giving any time to writing honest submissions to a hopefully unbiased Select Committee.
All New Zealanders need to be treated equally. Being able to jump the queue in medical school by the colour of your skin is not being treated equally. It should be put to a referendum and let he people of New Zealand decide
What a great debate and civil discussion on these issues between both parties. Both the interviewer and the interviewee having a calm debate on topics that have been radicalized amongst media. This is the first media interview in which both sides are having a civil debate regarding the proposed bill. We should not be scared of discussions surrounding the future of this country and the people that call it home. As a democratic society having access to this sort of information can open eyes to both sides of the debate. Focus less on who is right and who is wrong and listen to both parties opinions on this matter and use that as tool to make an educated decision to move foward as a democratic society. The bill opens discussion. Be open minded. Don't be afraid of it. That doesn't mean u have to accept it. Merely spend the time to throughly interpret the purpose of it and make and educated decision Around your support for or against it rather than being a sheep and chasing the narrative.
@@Matikemai2040 I'm interested to know what your view of what equal rights means? I have just looked it up in the dictionary, looks like the concept exists alright.
@@jameskatte1175 okay can you expand on your comments and what equal rights mean to yoy? IMO when someone comments “we should all have equal rights” what they actually mean is “indigenous peoples no longer have rights to land or resources because they’re inferior to yt people. So that means inheritance and property rights do not apply to indigenous peoples” this is an opinion based on an uneducated and uninformed idea of history in this country. Why would someone believe that they have the same customary rights just because they’ve been born here?
David will be Prime Minister one day. We must stop the violence coming from Maori They need to be taught how To debate in Parliament. David can do this!
The Human Rights Act 1993 covers the Equal rights he is proposing. He is campaigning on falsehoods to help his campaign which is all about taking land & property protections off of Maori.
This is it. The seed was planted years ago. 30-40 years from now they wipl get rid of the treaty. Hes interpretating it how he thinks it says. And everyone will believe him because hes in the Government. The treaty was nade so that the white man can stay in NZ in Peace but then the white man started turning on the tribes and then started taking land. Give the country back to the Maori and then we can live how David wants it to be. @cheyannetane
Think about this political party: 1. Formed in response to perceived injustices, and with the aim of addressing grievances of the communities they represent. 2. Mobilises significant portions of their population by appealing to a strong sense of identity and addressing specific community concerns. 3. Use symbols, flags, and rhetoric to promote their identity and cause. 4. Participate in the democratic processes to gain power and influence. 5. Face criticism for language and rhetoric that has the potential to be perceived as divisive or promoting superiority. Now - What political parties spring to mind?
Seymour made a reaĺy good point in this interview that stood out to me and is weighing heavy on my mind 7:25 he talks about his Hapu wanting to do there own housing and charter school and then he talks about other communities wanting to self govern themselves then he uses the neurodivegent community as an example how they want to set up there own educational system the way they would like it to be but then the presenter tells him he is misinterpreting the principle that Seymour himself referred too. Anyway that sounds like a really good idea for the government to distribute power out to all these different communities so they can do what they wan mt to do but my queation is why can't we get the ball moving on those things without touching the treaty.
Māori want equality too that’s why Māori wanted to make te reo compulsory in schools like English so that it would be equal rights, the treaty said it would protect Māori rights including ancestry, treasures and te reo, but it didn't, it only protected the English language from being lost, so Māori are just claiming the right to fight for that which was not protected, English can't make that claim because their rights were protected, that’s the difference that Seymore doesn’t understand.
I agree / and We do not need *The Waitangi Treaty Principal bill 1975* introduced by David Lange explained...if people Don't understand it already they never will.
@@concernedNZer I see one advantage of Learning " *Te Reo Maori* " not just for Personal use but to Read " *Te Titiri O Waitangi* " in its Original Language and Meaning and See if it Does Line up with " *The Preamble and Article 1, 2 & 3 in the English Version of the Treaty of Waitangi* " 🤔 Going off Article 2 in the English and Maori Version we were PROMISED rights to Taonga (Treasures) Tīkanga Maori , the Rights to our protected Lands & Fishies Rights ... In Article 3 of the Treaty ALL New Zealands have EQUAL Rights under the Law 🙋 So What's Really going on with Seymour's bill you think 🤔
Understandingly, however what you are proposing by making one ethnicity determine what is to be compulsory by others, goes against democracy, and introduces the states of authoritarianism, totalitarianism, and fascism which in all of history has only ever succeeded in the killing off of hundreds of millions of people of all ethnicities (including indigenous peoples) within these states globally. The intention of the 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill' is to preserve democracy within the Government of New Zealand whilst honouring the grievances of Maori as per Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It is 'everyone's' ticket to life, liberty and prosperity. That is why the eyes of the World are ON New Zealand with how we deal with it, because its example has the potential of preserving life, liberty and prosperity for all people within all Nations in the world.....which will be a FIRST in the history of the world.
@fteeagle9446 I agree Maori arn't being treated equally. My youngest daughter is Maori, she has more privileges than my oldest. Even though they both live with and are supported by me.
@DairyNZ what privileges does she have over others? Because my children and I are in a manner that is condescending and patronizing and biased. We don't want special treatment, we want effective and informative treatment!!!!!
Although the host clearly disagrees he conducted himself with great dignity quite unlike the One News goons and others. Really great interview well done I subscribed.
You cannot sign a treaty with the original land owners and then in 2024 (because you are now a majority), say, this legal treaty doesnt count anymore. Its now between all NZ'ers and even though Maori were the original land owners you are changing the rules. You Pakeha talk about how you have rules and regulations in your democratic system, then you break them to suit your purposes. When a legal document is signed, it needs to be honored.
@@Maria-x4c4f He is not wanting to change the treaty that was signed 200 years ago. Please listen to what he is saying, the non -existent principles are what needs to be clearly defined
@@jameskatte1175 Get an account that has at least one watched video outside this one, then we'll treat you like a real person. Way too many bots writing generic support for david.
20:43 a good challenging interview. The interviewer is a race based communist. The give aways are talk of "equal outcomes" and "what is good for maori is good for everyone" (straight out of Orwell's animal farm!). People want to be treated equally, the outcomes are then up to you. Ethnicity should not play a part on your treatment. People also don't support bureaucratic bloat, through doubling up appointments and pay offs for approvals from iwi.
TPM are looking to become a Party like NZ First... the deal maker at the elections, and that is not a bad strategy! LUXON is one such player and keeping very kool in this space almost missing😅
You're applying a modern interpretation of individualism. In the past, chiefs embodied the philosophy of their iwi. What you're asserting doesn't hold up.
@@jamesgpaku Yes, you could only have self determination if you were of higher standing like a warrior or chief. Otherwise you were more akin to a slave taking orders all day long.
What gets me the most is, that David could just make a whole new bill, separate from the Treaty, make a new founding document, of our new developing country! that way the people that do want this for all ethnicity are happy and māori are too, cause the Tiriti isn't changed.
Quite true but then that would quash Davids real agenda of dividing this country and gaining votes by continously streaming race based comments through the media.
Couldn't agree more with David Seymour...universal humanity, what an aspiration. Dividing people along ethnic lines creates division and distrust and has no place in modern society. Identity politics must be rebuked forever. We've all had enough of it.
Universal humanity?? All ruled by WHO exactly??? I am not YOU and I don't wat to be YOU or part of your UNIVERSAL DELUSION all the same like robots.I WANT TO BE ME!!. UNIQUE, ABLE TO THINK FOR MYSELF. NOT RULED BY GOVERNMENT
Great interview, David correctly points out several times that the interviewer does not speak for all people of Māori descent as no one person can speak for another or should be able to without their permission.
However what Seymore is ignorantly not stating is that, last time govt was in full control of the country, Māori weren't allowed to be Māori. They were forced to assimilate into Pākehā worldviews. Speaking only English or they'll get wacked. Land being confiscated so the Pākahā immigrants can have land. This lies the problem. He says "everyone should have the same rights" but nowhere in the history of the world has a minority ever had the same rights as the majority.
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
The court of appeal said it’s like a partnership. Not that it is one. Does it stop you expressing your cultur no. It stops racism. It stop the nepotism of Tikanga Maori. It stops the story ion if taxes from councils by Iwi. It stops veto rights and intimidation by tribal hegemony. Also that by big iwi over small iwi. End the racism. End the nepotism.
It's great to see some respected Maori and some mainstream media finally see this is good for all NZers. Mr Seymour is putting forward a solution that will work for all. I am an Irish English /Romani Gypsy and born in New Zealand. This Bill is not racist or oppressive and I would be the first to protest it if it was. "Do the right thing I'm not talking about a black or white thing" - lyrics from Kingpin and the FBI, "Do the Right Thing", American hip hop group, check out the lyrics of this classic track. 👌 Thank you David
And has the white man in America ever done the right thing by black Americans hell fkn No they haven’t, that’s just a song your taking about nothing has ever been that simple
The fact that you ignore it's against the participants agreement shows otherwise. Plus, I've never seen you at a protest against perpetual leases or the 2% redress when everyone else is entitled to 100% What happened to you being "the first to protest if it was"???? I guess it was all lip service
@@tanepukenga1421 never insult a Romani Gypsy. Your new age greed, ignorance, corruption, crime and racism will be your downfall. You have decided to make enemies of many of the great people here from the world over what happened over 100 years ago. NZ is moving forward with or without you probably the latter. Stop your selfish moaning and complaining all the time and work in with the great NZers here and we can all reach great heights
The argument against David Seymours claims cannot get around then fact the 3 principles are for everyone and any argument against is not. It doesn’t matter how you skin it, his is a philosophically sound argument. Nice work David and to the interviewer for his adherence to a reasonably good faith interview.
David doesn’t understand tinorangatira. So David needs to change it so he can have more control over Māori and keep his rich mate happy, allowing anyone to buy up our land and do what they want with it while the people of the land-the ones who were here first-just get left in the dirt with not a lot. Then it’s those same rich people who will belittle us for having nothing and just being Māori. They don’t like that we are Māori, and we are PROUD TO BE MĀORI ❤ Remember, Pete, your ancestors came to Aotearoa. Pete, what if someone came into your home that you respect and love and they told you how to live in your own home? They start making rules not to benefit you or your home, but to benefit themselves and their pockets, making you out to be not important even though you, Pete, own the home and pay for it? You respect your home. Would you let just any old bugger come in and do that to the place you respect and love? Let me know if you need any more help understanding from a Māori perspective I’m sure your a good guy Pete you probably just need a bit more educating on this topic love and light KIA ORA ❤️🤍🖤
The Treaty was signed between the British Crown and Maori (who the crown recognised as a people not a race - not different from Fijinas or Samoans etc). Now the modernised version of the Settler colonialist government has appointed ITSELF judge, jury and executioner? Represent other New Zealanders as much as you like, but we never asked you to represent us - and you aren't anyway.
Very interesting point Seymour is making by inclusivity to all Kiwi citizen nationalities to be included in Toitu Te Tiriti O Waitangi. How can the viewpoint of this proposal of inclusivity be a logical solution for other nationalities when the Tiriti of Waitangi is a document between the Sovereignty and the Maori people through Rangatira Tanga only. David Seymour is creating a racial profile between tangata iwi and citizenship of nationalities from other countries. The conjecture of Nationals plans that openly invited foreign investment with the promise of citizenship has created the proposed forced changes to the Tiriti and that in turn will challenge the outcome. The proposed changes are the ideology of a Marxist regime at its finest. 3 more years of endurance and the task of ensuring that the bill does not pass will be a long process. Kia Kaha Kia Maia Kia Manawanui. Wow hasn't the situation changed where Democratic manipulation falls Republicly. The ACT is nothing but that of manipulation by letting the Major Parties do their deeds. The actions are nothing more than agreements without accepting instigation. There has to therefore be a joint agreeable action plan between National and ACT Parties to execute the perfect plan knowing very well what would happen. What surprises me more is knowing that Maori politicians that have been put in these positions to help our people and call it democratically a party based decision. Not only have they been used as scapegoats for our people, it does not sway partial responsibility. Again manipulation puts them in representative positions through voting process and making changes. Is it right that the status quo is decided in parliament and not given to the population to vote, isn't that the democratic process
David Seymour is a class act, always holds these biased interviewers accountable for there words, calls them out, Its brilliant. Keep up the great work David, theres only so many times they can say its just "your bill" and Maori dont support the bill, these gross geralizations are meant to try and tell people "you are supposed to be against this bill purely based on your ethnicity". Its simply not true, this bil does not take away, but adds to everybody. I want to address one thing the interviewer said though, "whats good for Maori is good for everyone"... how? to me this is blatant rascism. Whats good for everyone is good for everyone. I think even kindergardeners understand that.
You only have to go over to the ACT TH-cam channel and read the comments to see the cookers who agree with DB Seymour. That’s who he’s talking to. It’s all about power and votes people. Immigration is next.
Can someone please ask Mr Seymour how te tiriti stops anyone from their human rights. The three examples he provided RMA, Three Waters and Co-Governace. Those are about assets and resources, and not human rights or self-determination.
Our vote goes to the one whom speaks for Good humanity for all NZ, David Seymour has our support. Got luck on trying to pull the wool over David's eyes , Where do the days go!
Ironically, the only way self-determination in the way David Seymour describes it is somewhat assured for Māori if his bill passes is if Act stays in government for eternity. Because they endorse less regulation, less centralised control, being a very right wing party. Of course no party is to remain in government forever, though, and when the central and left wing parties take government and seek to do more governing, then without the existing principles that interpret the treaty, there is no legislation ensuring equality and self-determination for Māori. That’s the flaw in David’s argument that he’s taking nothing away from Māori. He’s taking away the assurance that Māori have under the treaty that they retain their rights to self-determination regardless of who is governing. And the right to protect their whenua and moana, which absolutely benefits us all.
incorrect. If the 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill' passes into law, it guarantees constitutionally 'tino rangatiratanga' for everyone under governance of the Crown for perpetuity, including ALL representatives of the Crown. Anyone in breach of the New Zealand Constitution (of which the governance of laws is made, and of which are made up from these principles along with other human rights bills and acts), will be held accountable for treason in law. Treason is the most punishable crime along with murder, carrying the weight of Life Imprisonment. This is what 'equality' is.........ONE Law that accounts for the actions of everyone equally. Who is more right? A Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A non-Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A Judge who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A Politician who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A Govenor General who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua? A King who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
If your way of thinking about universal humanity is so good for countries then why are so many Indigenous people in other countries experiencing similar struggles to Maori. High incarceration, landless, poor health, education etc. The bill is all in the mind of Seymour. Show me a country with Indigenous people where this isn't the case.
You’ll still find that those indigenous populations still have better societal well-being outcomes comparative to many cultures untouched by colonialism or any other form of compulsory administration. For example Cook Islands vs Māori wellbeing statistics Your argument also ignores differences between non indigenous ethnicities within those same societies For example Asians outperform Europeans in many of the wellbeing statistics- are Europeans also then victims of some systemic oppression?
The universal experience is directly linked to the liberal victim state. IT is the dangerous liberal iedalogues that proliferate this helplessness and perpetuate this narrative that if you are brown you are a victim by default, thus creating a bunch of brown people worldwide who feel less than since birth and live thusly. As a maori woman i cant stand that sh't and i find it incredibly insulting to indigenous intellect.
Every race is indigenous somewhere. Why do some indigenous think they should control other indigenous. We are all humans to be treated with the same rights and respect . End of
The treaty was a very simple document. It has been distorted and manipulated since the 1970s to mean whatever the Waitangi tribunal decides it should mean. There's the problem
there is no way anyone can fully comprehend the premise of the treaty from 1840 as it was so long ago and everyone had very different perspectives then and those perspectives would be very different in todays more modern world. how about the following : 1 : Park the Treaty to one side as a iconic and respected historic document. 2 : Equal rights/opportunity for all NZers (which actually pretty much exists today) 3 : Ensure that Maori language and culture continues to be respected/taught etc.. 4. Maori have fallen behind in many cases (crime rates / education levels) so put in place strong mentorship programs for the youth to help them navigate their way forward. Maori have to accept globalisation and you either embrace it OR you get left behind - this is a challenge for all worldwide communities. Nice calm debate : well done!!
The treaty was their to protect Maoris rights during settlement. Today Maori have total equal rights , with all the same democratic eligibility. There's nothing the treaty thats says Maori tribes will have a governing authourity for the unforeseeable future. People are living with 2024 rights and access to services while pretending it's still 1840.
@@gbrown9663bullshit - only if you have a victim mentality have you not got equal rights. Can you vote? Yes.. Can you get a licence and drive on our roads? Yes... Can you get a bank account and apply for financial assistance? Yes... Can you get a job and contribute to society? Yes... Can you recieve Healthcare and go to hospital if you need to? Yes.. what the hell makes you think you have less rights? Can you claim tangata whenua status and have access to kaimoana where others can't? Yes.. in fact - you have more rights than most other cultures, backgrounds etc ..
I think David met his match! Well done interviewer! Level headed and not rude, didn't smirk condescendingly or attack David the way he low-key did to you. Also David, YOU'RE the one speaking on behalf of maori - redefining what the treaty means. WITHOUT talking and getting a consensus from maori chosen speakers/leadera of their iwi. And you don't understand tino rangatiratanga...
Some are all keen to state the Treaty was poorly written and designed to disadvantage Maori, yet at the same time claim ownership of everything because of the treaty. So which is it?
Doublespeak is communicating in a way that misrepresents or obscures the truth. It combines both sense and nonsense in a deliberate effort on the part of the message sender to conceal the true meaning of what is being said. In some cases, doublespeak is used to soften the impact of what the message sender is describing but is more often used to camouflage the truth.
@@andreatodd3095 democracy is inherently evil and racist by it's very design in colonized countries. It's a colonizing weapon against Maori in their own land.
Exactly. Being a minority on your own land is frightening.. Maori once had the majority and weren't allowed to rule and now Maori are outnumbered 5 to 1 Classic case of weaponizing democracy against Maori.
Co-governance is in the treaty. Brits replaced rangatiratanga (run by local chiefs) into sovereignty (run by UK royals). The treaty house was set on fire but the treaty document still exists showing the details along with its burnt frayed edges. We've tried the colonial system for a hell of a long time and now is the time to give the actual documented deal a fair go. My tipuna, Pomare signed the treaty on 15 Feb 1840 and we're still waiting. Focus on getting in the waka and working together - Kiingi Tuheitia.
Nah, the Chiefs knew what they were signing. Some of them could speak perfect English and a couple of them had already visited England during that time. Quite naive to think they were simpletons who knew nothing of world affairs.
@@funtimesatbeaverfalls My tipuna on my mum's side, Hongi Hika went to England. Queen Victoria gave him trinkets that he traded for muskets in Sydney on his return to Aotearoa. Quite naive to think that Victoria could buy off Māori chiefs with shiny trinkets.
@@djpomare When Hongi went to England in 1820 he met King George VI. Victoria was no more than one year old at the time and would not ascend the throne until 1837, well after Hongi's death in 1828.
Wow your all cheering the man on What about the repercussions for Nz from his bill. More of our hard earned taxpayer money paid out for extra police to name one thing 50.000 or more people and why. Why do you think other leaders haven’t been stupid and gone here Sir John key 10 yrs ago warned that no good can come from trying to alter the treaty principles in any way-he called it the hikoi from hell .David Seymour hasn’t listened to legal political or academic advice surely that is stupid.
@robflorentine2951 sorry you feel left out. That equal thing is rubbish. Maori will be around for ever. It looks like in 50 years maori will be a majority
What the heck? Is this for real? There is no happy successful country that operates a separate system based on race. This beyond belief. Respect the treaty wording has recently been added to the code of practice I operate under. What exactly does this mean? We need absolute clarification. This seems deeply disturbing. This is not New Zealand 🇳🇿 Pre 2020 we have always been happy awesome and proud kiwis. SUPPORT THE BILL DAVID.
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
We are treated equally. We are equally struggling to provide for our families, we are equally paying ridiculous tax. We are equally being manipulated by a government system. We are all equally lied to about how the world runs it and who...We were equally lied to about COVID. Maori are not fighting the people we are fighting the government.wake up
Quick history lesson, I may not be correct. Around 1814 - 1820 missionary's started to translate the verbal language to written text. From 1820s Maori took up reading and writing, but given the time a lot of this was charcoal / leaves / wood. By 1870 there were many Europeans who could speak the Maori language, given this was the second or third generations from the early settlers / kids growing around it. Although by 1860 Europeans were the majority, therefore, English became more dominant. At the time Europeans didn't understand the importance of the Maori language, in terms of maintaining pride and identity as a people. Eventually there was less relevance for Maori language given society was dominated by Europeans, most Maori either lived countryside or were being assimilated into the European world, this all lead to the language being discouraged and people being punished for using it. Remember at this time ideology, technology and the way of life was completely different, nothing we could contemplate today. 1900s-1940s you had Maori entering the work force / world wars which resulted in Maori learning and speaking English.
The assumption that indigenous people have equal rights is quite far from the truth. Name me a colonised country where the indigenous were treated fairly and equally. To say this is about universal humanity is purely to get people onside. It's like saying, listen we know you've been disadvantaged for 200 years, but now we don't want you to have a say anymore. That's fair right? Just because YOU don't have to see inequality, does NOT mean it doesn't exist. And anyway, why does the NZ government, which is an extension of the crown, get to just TAKE full control? The Maori never gave it up. I'm not even Maori, it's just logical. None of this nonsense makes any sense.
No one was treated very fairly 200 years ago, it was a brutal existence for most people. But we live now, in the 21st Century and if any Maori want to protest they should go lecture the farmers with the biggest farms in the Country and demand rent money instead of harassing everyday working class people.
@@funtimesatbeaverfalls Ah, so Maori people are completely equal to Pakeha in NZ today? Since everyone had it tough back then right? Seymour paints a picture where Maori stand above non-Maori in this country and must be brought back down, ignoring the many many ways where Maori are disadvantaged. He does this to appeal to people who have never seen inequality up close and never bother to learn about it. Seems its working well.
Absolute rubbish red herring argument. The point here is to address inequities based on NEED not on RACE. It is true that many Māori are disadvantaged. It is also true that many other ethnic New Zealanders are. Act is proposing to address these inequities without regard to race by looking at the root causes. For instance, as referenced in the video, by addressing housing and education. Staying on the current path of grouping people by race results in consequences such as non-disadvantaged Māori being offered enhanced rights that they do not need which is fundamentally inequitable. For example, healthcare grants/university quotas. Grouping people by race is lazy and we need to do much better as a country
@@jackbrown1226 context matters. The disadvantages that Maori face, historically and in the modern day, are directly from the actions of the government and the system. The system put in place IS the root cause of the Maori's current situation. And both you and Seymour talk about "what about the non-disadvantaged Maori's?" Though these people exist, they are far far away from the norm. And you just need to look at the statistics to understand this. Higher death rates, higher incarceration, worse health, more unemployment, lower income, it goes on. The argument "well some of them are well off" falls flat when you take a look at the numbers. And this is the issue that I take with your and Seymour's stance. There is far too much hand waving and not enough evidence. Look at the numbers. There's hundreds of papers and studies that look at these issues and explore them in a scientific manner, but hey, forget all those right? They don't fit the narrative. As a sidenote: only members of the majority have the privilege of not having to think about race. Racism, unequal treatment, stereotyping, happens everyday for someone in the minority. I myself would love to not think about it, but I am reminded everyday.
@tanepukenga1421 Well the Maori Party and other Maori political radicals who suggested that there should be a separate government for Maori. Also anyone who agrees with the idea of a partnership, which is a current treaty principle established by the courts. It insists our country is a based on a partnership between Maori and everyone else. Which admits those groups aren't the same and have different rights. If you agree that everyone should have equal rights, and the country should have all people under one law and government who had the right to govern. Then you should support the bill
Maori weren't the indigenous people of NZ, there were other races when we arrived here anyway. I think making it fair for all NZ'ers is a good thing. We are all people, what we need to start doing is policing the people running our trusts who are ripping off money from the rest of the tribal members, including our children.
@justscrolling1323 Yes, the same applies to New zealand. Maori themselves have passed down the knowledge through generations about at least two other races being here when we arrived. Blonde haired tattooed people, believed to possibly be Norwegian. And red-haired dark skinned believed to be south American.
If this Bill is sooooo important for our human rights, what about the Bill of Human Rights? My human rights are just fine under Te Tiriti. But after the Christchurch terror attack, my right to life felt like it was on shaky ground thanks to some YOU people's ancestral cousin.
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
This interview featured someone who, having never been impacted by the Treaty, is telling those who face systemic mistreatment to simply 'be equal.' But are incarceration rates equal? According to recent data, Māori are overrepresented in the prison system, accounting for more than 50% of the prison population while only making up 15% of the national population. Is poverty equal? Studies show Māori households are significantly more likely to experience poverty, lower wages, and limited access to healthcare. To talk about equality, we must first address these disparities and uphold the Treaty’s promises. Māori continue to face inequities in nearly every category, but apparently getting the royal treatment 😂
To find solutions to these disproportionate statistics you've gotta address why at the core. And the only way it'll change requires changes in behaviour. All measures of making up for injustices could theoretically be done by government (which is another discussion different to what this bill covers) but ultimately, to change those statistics it requires individuals changing their behaviour and taking responsibility for their lives. People can do it, get themselves out of criminal or poverty cycle. No amount of apologising or reparations will help them choose that. And in fact, giving more rights over others who are doing better in order to help them along will actually keep them away from taking that route. Rights and support are different things. More support might be needed for sure - but rights should always be equal. No society that has unequal rights has ever done well. What Seymour is proposing does not effect or address the *support* for Māori in need. It is assuring that no matter what heritage you have you have the same basic human rights, and he's just calling for discussion on defining the *principles* of the treaty - not to take it away. The principles are not in the treaty, that's why he is calling for there to be some clarity.
The points you have raised about Māori representation in prisons, health outcomes etc… are correct. There is however a very big difference between equal opportunity & equal outcomes. I think we often get these mixed up. I am all in favor for all New Zealanders having equal opportunities but we all need to accept that will never be equal outcomes from those opportunities. In the history of human kind there never has and never will be equal outcomes.
Most of the problems Maori have are due to being poor and having cycles of violence in their families, not due to racism. The best way for govt to help is to provide more job opportunities and decent quality social housing in poor communities around NZ, not based on race but based on need. Male violence is often due to feelings of humiliation and social isolation which is connected to housing and employment status. In a lot of towns around NZ where Maori live the local economies are shit and there is nothing to do except join gangs and do drugs and crime, since the meatworks or whatever closed that used to employ all the men. Any government policy that is perceived to give Maori special needs treatment will cause backlash and increased votes for ACT and NZF, which is what we saw in the last election.
The 1840 version was the beginning, 1975 was an evolution, the recent interpretation (TPM's sovereignty not given up and separate states), and this is just another evolution....I say YES
@@southpacific222 we will not have to worry about any right s soon as this co-government including David Seymour will stuff our beautiful Country. We are fighting to stop this from happening Greenpeace ses it well profit Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has said his ten-year goal is to double New Zealand exports which aligned with fast-track projects but Lee said these projects “would spell the end for us”. Lee said the profits were marginal and not worth the environmental destruction. For instance, in New Zealand mining companies paid a 2% royalty on the net sales revenue of certain minerals if their accounting profits were below a certain threshold - for coal it is $5 million and for gold it is $2 million and, above the threshold, the company pays the higher of the 2% royalty or a 10% accounting profits royalty. Resources were finite and extractivism was linear and came with the mindset of taking until there was nothing left, Lee said, “It will not be able to sustain itself. There is no version of mining that is sustainable”. Lee said the government prioritised primary industries and extractivism as the only or best ways to support communities and societies, when those very industries were destroying the natural environment that people’s wellness and livelihoods depend upon. Lee said they should be incentivising other ways of living, Indigenous ways of living which involved regenerative agriculture and food production. For hundreds of years, Lee said there was evidence of how mining and other extractive industries had harmed the environment and communities where water sources and soil remain contaminated long after mines close. “They’re not learning and that’s why I would call this government regressive because it doesn’t seem to be able to learn from the past.” One-term government? Lee said the way forward was to get rid of the coalition government because it lacked ambition, compassion and was regressive. She said it would be ideal to have a one-term government because of what she called the anti-democratic ways the present coalition was doing things “through the dismissal of attempts at participatory democracy”. Lee wanted a complete system shift where other ways of living were incentivised and said Indigenous leadership would recognise Indigenous value systems and focus on relationality between others and the natural world.
Im not Maori so to watch this helped Thank you 👍 Hui show for giving me more understanding of how much this guy, David is mentally lost 😢 he does not want to see or hear the truth, the majority of Maori don't like your bill, And he knows that Maori is outnumbered in there own country, real colonization all over again. 😢😢saddd......
@@AotearoaAccoustics You talk through your arse, you dont know what the fuck you're on about you been listening to most bullshits of what others saying..
So lets take everything from someone then say equal rights. The minute we want to tax the rich? no more equal rights. Anyone that says we are equal are childish and are in no position to vote on this topic.
You cannot sign a treaty with the original land owners and then in 2024 (because you are now a majority), say, this legal treaty doesnt count anymore. Its now between all NZ'ers and even though Maori were the original land owners you are changing the rules. You Pakeha talk about how you have rules and regulations in your democratic system, then you break them to suit your purposes. When a legal document is signed, it needs to be honored.
According to history, all land claims were settled full and final in the 1960's. The grift began with the establishment of the Waitangi tribunal in 1975. The Waitangi tribunal has been actively rewriting NZ history and is driven by a belief in past wrongs together with supposed wrongs of colonialism provides a forum for dissatisfied Maori to sit aside from the rest of us to build a collective view of discontent. The tribunal became a scam, a place were Maori could bring a grievance and then a claim and the claim would be highly likely to be honoured by the tribunal. Oral testimonies from claimants were accepted as fact. The Waitangi Tribunal is free to receive whatever evidence it pleases, anecdote, reminiscence, hearsay are acceptable. In other words, claimants could literally make up their claims, and these would be accepted by the Tribunal. The Jaw dropping reality is that most often, government just rubber stamped the Tribunals recommendations without fact checking the basis of the recommendations. The blame is on both sides for what we have today.
@@jameskatte1175 Nope thats just rubbish. You continue on this mindset that Maori ceeded, WRONG. That is the issue that we have here that is the problem for what we have today, it is because you CHOOSE not to accept the truth. Settlements confirm the breaches and the breaches continue. Getting tired of having to justify the honourable respect Tupuna gave you to stay here, and what do you offer in return? Tell me what you have offered?
@@matakitaki1 Your Tupuna sold off their land and thought it was a good deal at the time. Blame them for giving up the power. Read your history on why Maori embraced British rule and protection, not a mindset, facts. Can't be bothered answering the rest, if you have not benefitted from European progress. You must have a computer aye?
@@matakitaki1 Here are a few things: Significantly increased life expectancy of Māori (Average LE of Maori pre treaty was about 38-42, now its 67-73), build roads, railroads, hospitals, schools, universities. Had much fast shipping, much better housing, taught Maori mathematics, written language (which you seem to be using). And yes there were some injustices but the vast majority (85-90%) was legal purchased by the crown or settlers. The crown has worked to right those wrongs done. It's time we as Kiwis all move on from this and Seymour bill looks like a good place to start. Before you say anything I'm a Maori myself.
Well done, David. This guy refused to listen to any reasonable argument and defaults back to the same flawed points, and you kept levelheaded and logical
@@joyaroha6683 Experts and scholars is intentionally vague. If they gave names, people could have a look and see if they actually make sense rather than just "trust the experts." I would rather hear logical arguments with evidence to support it, which is all made available to anyone who wants to delve deeper into the facts
@@Kaneski007 you need to be responsible by looking into your own ‘intentional vague’ comment… The amount of people that just write statement after statement gaslighting their personal opinion to assert power all over social media these days without any basic understanding or research is embarrasing. Google his name and the word Treaty go down the rabbit hole it’s easy to decipher ‘the credible documents are stamped’ there a findings from judges, barristers, lawyers & scholars (both Māori & Pakeha) in simple english across previous high court document proceedings leading into his bill. Ministries & govt agency also have inquiry outcomes signalling how they will go forward and operate it’s clear the support is not there.
The first mistake Seymour makes and there are many Maori are not New Zealanders they are Tangata Whenua When you lot recognise this it opens options for you, but no head too far up arse
@@Kaneski007 No they aren't, have you read ANYTHING scholarly? I very much doubt it when your saying BS like that. It's like you don't know what methodology is at all. Lol, and refusing to listen to actual experts but pretending you want "facts". I guess you ask your plumber to do your open heart surgeries too since you don't need experts.
So Maori and the Government have a conversation and the rest of the public are kept out? The Treaty was signed when there was no Democracy in New Zealand. Where's the fairness, where's the inclusion and diversity of opinion that respects all the other people and cultures that live in New Zealand that do not get to have a say on the Constitution. It was signed by an absolute , absent, Monarch and the people at the time had no right to have an opinion otherwise. We now live in a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, Democratic society and we are denied the right to have a say in the future Constitution of our country by the stroke of a pen of a long dead Monarch and Chiefs. Even the US Constitution has 27 ratified amendments to it's Constitution and it starts with "We the People" and so should ours. “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” Dr Thomas Sowell
Thats how treaties work. The FACT is the treaty exists, it was signed, thats it. Its is a BINDING DOCUMENT. Do the Native Americans get a say on the American declaration of Independence? What about Brits who live in the US now? Do they get to have a discussion about whether they agree with being independent from Britain? Does America ditch the declaration of independence because it was signed a long time ago?
The idea that equal treatment feels like discrimination when people are used to preferential treatment is relevant here, but in reverse: the system for years favored a colonial viewpoint and marginalized Māori. Correcting that imbalance is not discrimination; it’s fairness. The Treaty shouldn’t be cast aside just because it was signed under different circumstances-it’s a reminder that commitments were made that need to be honored in any just and inclusive future.
@@Arms26 Native Americans do have autonomy inside their Reservations. They can practice their culture, language and traditions without hinderance from the local or Federal Government. If they want to live in the wider community then yes they have to obey the State and Federal laws. No one disputes the Treaty was signed, what is disputed is what the "Principles" are or mean. A "Principle" can mean anything and is open to interpretation by the Courts. Brits living in the USA is a ridiculous argument, if they are US citizens then they do get a voice under the 1st Amendment and they get to vote. If they are British citizens then they don't get a choice. If they wanted to push to restore the Monarchy they have every right under the US Constitution to try to achieve it through Political means, good luck with that however. All this talk of self determination but you don't want to give all New Zealanders the chance to have a say on their self determination, sounds a bit hypocritical. "The Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged"
The treaty was signed by the crown and Maori. New Zealanders are represented by the crown. No other parties will support this bill after the first reading. Educate yourself
@@Bellxking Who is advocating for the Treaty to be cast aside? David Seymour clearly states that is not the intent. It is to clear up what "Principles" mean so that activist Judges don't decide for themselves what "Principles" mean.
i think the most telling point in the discussion was the two views points of (what is good for maori is good for everyone) vs (what is good for everyone is good for maori) if you cant understand why one of these is correct and the other is wrong then i think you are probably just biased if you still don't know why try replacing the word maori with scottish or iranians or fijians or russians and you soon should realize well at least i hope
This is a good interview. But I want to point out. Māori are now accused of acting like they are privileged and are racist. Let me see what history has shown who has been the worst racist culture. That would be the English. Who always thought that they were the most superior culture to others. The Indians kicked them out of India, the Chinese out of China. They forced their language onto other cultures and took their lands off of them in some dirty ways. In the 1950s-1960s Māori were not allowed in pubs or hotels. So segregation was started back then. Māori were also not allowed to speak Māori at school. Otherwise you would get a hiding from the teacher. Now we have people in this country complaining about Māori music being played in supermarkets, even came across someone complaining about a bread that had a Māori name , yet no one complained about there being French Baguette. Even with this si called human rights. The ones that always cope it. Are the wealthy. People have always been prejudiced against them, especially the poor and the jealous ones. Yet most of them are the most generous giving people and a lot of them started with nothing.
Interesting view point, i would look to change the TOW as a founding document to just be another document only for maori and we should create a separate clear constitution
Once again David you blitz the interviewer/journalist. This guy tried to catch you out, but even he revealed his lack of understanding on this topic or his Māori bias. His body language spoke volumes… Well Done David! You have huge support on this bill.
@@Froggability First, you're not my slave owner, nor anyone else's. We don't owe you an explanation on our views. Second, they have already stated why and you are perfectly capable of looking it up yourself - which you have CHOSEN not to do. Lastly, yes. People generally get fired up when you try to strip their rights away
I only watched the first 10 minutes but I do like and appreciate the polite and calm exchange between these two 👍
Big deal, what a waste of time.
Equality is the last thing he wants.
Or anyone.
Can you imagine the disruption to the economy , not just one ethnic group but all of us.
That's just were we are now is a better place to start from.
I suspect he's more about selling us all out to the dilemma that is America's disparity.
A bit of honisty and maths around the fisharys coupled with our inovation and prowess would get us rich as.
It's little more than flashed up hunter gather, augument the sea life at all levels.
Incredibly respectful interviewer good on him. Better than jenny may on TVNZ 1 who just shot david seymor down in a instant
She attempted to shoot him down, but it pretty much backfired on her. She tried to debate him... rather than do her job, ie be a journalist.
& got owned by the white man 😂😂😂
@@blairhammond5456wow, fan boi alert
@@benmunckhof-swain4493 Facts are painful for you eh
She is disgusting
We must not divide our society on ethnicity
Then stop your nonsense now
@josephjamesrollo9826 act treaty principles are all based on total equality not favoring one or the other
@bobsemple07 its too late division has been created you can already see the comments. Typical Westminster thought processes, that's what you would do when you feel threatened and loosing the status quo
@terryurlich9419 kinda racist saying I have a westminster thought process.
If people can proud to be maori I can be proud to be british.
@bobsemple07 then what is David doing? He says nz is multicultural except maori culture that's not fair? Okay😅
nobodies gonna bring up the land theft by the Government called perpetual leases making it impossible for maori to buy back the land that was confiscated Due to colonisation and white supremacy?
Or are you saying maori are meant to be that way and that's what every body means by all new Zealanders are the same.
That all new Zealanders and the government are the same not maori though they aren't allowed to be equal.?
If maori didn't fight for their culture they would have nothing at all which is apparently what you want for your all is equal new Zealanders... luckily they were there before new Zealanders were😂 keep fighting even though they've been doing it for 200 years and people like you think there better off to assimilate than to preserve.........
That was brilliant. I learnt alot. Thank you for a grown up discussion Gentlemen.
Interviewer did an incredible job here.
Agreed. If only all politicians could have constructive discussions like this.
Put this to the team of 5 million. Not the loud mouths or the idiots in Wellington.
Team of 5 million aren’t signatories of Te Tiriti. They don’t get a say sorry.
It’s like the team of 5 million don’t get a say on the mortgage contract you signed with the bank. It’s between you and the bank.
Māori and the Crown.
@johnburnett3942 John, come on John. At least the "idiots" don't sit behind a phone and call people idiots. You should of went to Wellington and told them all. But you are without balls.
You mean the team of 4 million idiots - one million are Māori and are too smart for David’s gaslighting populist rhetoric.
Oh John the coward 😂😂😂
Your just upset that Maori have massive support from all races both here and worldwide. Worse for YOU is the amount of pakeha who support Maori...it absolutely makes you SEETHE lol
is there a problem with everyone having equal rights?
Yes, it stops the grift.
@@questor55ridiculous the treaty protects pre 1840 existing rights of Maori in exchange for the right to govern. Maori pre 1840 existing right of tinorangatiratanga is the right of self determination of Maori by Maori. Removing the rights of one people by another does not equate to equality it equates to tyranny of the majority and is an infringement on the ability of Maori to exercise the right.
Is there a problem with equity?
It is for Māori… they are scared the gravy train will stop
@@bronzie59this meme of gravy train is misleading as the compensation is only 3% of what Maori have lost and during those years to now haven't had productivity because of their lands were stolen very simple explanation
The question I will put to you is this ,What did previous NZ achievers do differently , they rose in their chosen fields by doing hard work ,diligence, explored avenues , to better themselves, they asked how can I better our country , what can I do for my country , stand take some responsibility for what I do.
Sir Howard Morrison, Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, Sir Apirana Ngtea , Dame Lisa ,Lydia Ko., many of my brothers I served with in the forces were upstanding Maori men and women , proud to call them brothers and sisters ,The best of the best , ,Willie Apiata ,Colonial Ponanga , yes supposedly colonization gave them these opportunities, that's obviously how they saw colonization, at the end of the day ,We are our only problem and we are our only solution.
Look, its not what david believes. Its what everyone belibeves, he just has the voice to say it.
So the million that don't believe it don't matter? Then you wonder why māori protest.
The Human Rights Act 1993 covers the equal rights he is proposing? So why is he re- proposing it within his campaign to change the Treaty? 🤔
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
other than the hundreds of thousands of Kiwis who call him and you his cult racists. When you say everyone you mean everyone who hates Maoris. Maate there just aren't enough of you. You lot lost now get on with it because this is consuming your lives. It's better to love not hate
Most of those marching had no idea why they were protesting. @@ShadezG
chur, lol, never block the comment section whanau, let the people speak lol
What maori want honestly sounds alot like fascism, a socialist nation built on ethnic identity.
And listen carefully to who is actually turning his 'humanity' words to make it honestly sound that way....
what you want is to alieanate a people in their own land,
😂😂 yikes!! Are you that gullible? Te Tiriti isn’t about race.
The true fascist has filled you with propaganda lol
@@fumikoisadog3023 what propaganda? My opinion is based entirely on what I've seen maori say in the comments sections and my own conversations with maori. If I've gotten any propaganda its been from the maori people them selves.
Does The Hui also note they ignore Sir Apirana Ngati's long research, carefully consulted, presentation on the Articles and how they should be used?
No. Only cite recently indoctrinated researchers.
Check the interviewer trying to excuse racism.
1 vote for universal humanity.
I'm sick of hearing Maori and non Maori. Pakeha and colonist. We all came from somewhere else. We all have mixed blood. David is fighting against the idea of racial superiority. He understands that a country going down that path is destructive and he is trying to steer us away from it. Many are saying his bill is divisive....but it is division between races that has brought him to this place, and this is his way of fighting it. He simply believes in true democracy and equality for all regardless of where we came from. Is that really so bad?
Good interview Julian. This is what the conversation should look like,
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So good to have this conversation. We are all just human and we are all born here so equal New Zealanders, so gross to judge on skin color
@ you have human skin like mine what are you taking about?
Māori skin @@qualityaghire
@@the_oneandonlycrazyjess1396 good for you, I’ve just got human skin, I just see us all as the same and equals
@the_oneandonlycrazyjess1396 that's the one that makes you join gangs and have tooth decay ?
@qualityaghire and you are right human skin my apologies
The more tribal we get, the easier it is to divide us. A house divided can not stand. We need to move forward as one people. There are larger powers that would affect all of us from global entities to the impacts of extreme climates, we need each other regardless of our race and ethnicity.
Then why do Māori have prejudice against them in this country racial profiling and so on
If the 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill' passes into law, it guarantees constitutionally 'tino rangatiratanga' for everyone under governance of the Crown for perpetuity, including ALL representatives of the Crown. Anyone in breach of the New Zealand Constitution (of which the governance of laws is made, and of which are made up from these principles along with other human rights bills and acts), will be held accountable for treason in law. Treason is the most punishable crime along with murder, carrying the weight of Life Imprisonment. This is what 'equality' is.........ONE Law that accounts for the actions of everyone equally.
Who is more right?
A Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A non-Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A Judge who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A Politician who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A Govenor General who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A King who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
Thanks to David and Act. When is the march happening for those in favor of the Bill.
Ask National Front, they're your type, Greg.
That march starts when you wake up sleepy joe
😂😂 they’re waiting for you to organise it 😂😂
@@moomovers No march by David, he will just continue to sit in his safe corner with his robotic memorised version of his bill and hidden agenda of committing coroprate exploitation of our country all the while fooling as many as he can that this is about equal rights 🙄
The silent majority that calls this land home goes to work every day and builds this country.
With house building and utilising land as David mentions, will this include breaking the perpetual Land lease of Tribal lands?
Act now have my vote....put this to the 5 million it's time for a referendum
Yip, ACT at the next election for me too
Why? What do you like about the bill?
@@ShadezG what's not to like about equal rights for all ????
Yes he has actually handle all the hate that is being towards them over the spell really well.
I actually feel most people just jump on the hate bandwagon without actually finding out more information.
The real question is where ever was equal rights? Pakeha are the the most senial creatures on this earth @@jeffbrown3743
The reported claims Maori have less access to health and education. This has to be the biggest lie ever, out of all the countries on THE PLANET, NZ has some of the easiest ways to access those things. Just because a certain culture doesn't take advantage of it doesn't mean the system is against them. How is possible that the immigrants arriving here from third world countries can get ahead so quick? I know many many that did just that. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.
Very arrogant of you to say but then again the ignorant racist ones are ussually supporting David seahorse
@Low3R824 wanting equal rights for all is literally the opposite of racism, get a dictionary.
@@ioijiopjkiopjkp Optain a logic, equal rights for whom? yourself over others? that is the reality of when idiots like you sell out.
I come to your house, you now sleep in the garage and I will feed you my leftovers, that is your equal rights! Ignorance is bliss.
There is one thing you will never comprehend because of your selfish individual greed is that you want something that belongs to another.
@@ioijiopjkiopjkp extinguishing pre-existing right before the treaty is actually racist remember this only happened 184 years ago in the scheme of things this isn't long ago
What 3rd world countries are u talking about and what percentage of the world demographic do they fall into?? U pick n choose percentages when it suits. I believe China and India are still classed as 3rd world countries with the 2 largest populations on earth?? Now you u wanna put race back on the table to fit your argument??🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽🤷🏽
How did they go with health n education in the 3rd world country they came from??🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
A master class from David Seymour.
From someone equally deluded and in need of a nap.
David has a brilliant mind. I support him and his proposal. We should all be treated equally with equal rights period.
It should be a given without it as well!!!
Yeah tell that to my tupuna whose lands were confiscated obviously u wud fit in well w colonial nz
He's a racists right wing bigot disguised in a suit the modern kkk go look at the treaty academics in the pakeha world agree Seymour is wrong. U wud fit in south africa really well suggest u move there
You wouldn't say that if he took your land and rented it out to someone else without your approval - hmmmmm, equal rights, not such a great idea now...!!!! Now I'd love to see your reply about how to justify Maori having their land stolen ?
Big part of this is Seymour getting the headlines. Sick way of operating. Talks about this country but he fukt off to Canada for number of years. A millionaire telling others what is fair. Where have we heard that before……
New Zealand should be everyone equal.
It already is, the issue is equity not equality
It used to be before europeans trashed Aotearoa with their bs civilised way😂😂 where all the woke lost bs comes from
@@richardmurphy4670 equity is based on racist generalisations and 0 truth
As Richard said above, Māori need equity. Best way to differentiate is the following little story:
Brothers Bill, Ben and Bobby walked home from school and there was a cricket match on. The cricket match was behind a wall. All three boys wanted to watch it so Bill, the oldest found three wooden crates all the same height. He lay all three boxes out so he and his brothers could see above the wall. Ben and Bobby were shorter than Bill, so while the box lifted him up higher, the other two were still too short.
Bill went and found another two boxes and Ben and Bobby stacked them on top. Now Bill and Ben could see but little Bobby was still too short.
Bill found one last box and stacked them three high. Now all the boys could watch the cricket game.
The equality is all three boys had one box to start. But equality doesn't mean equity. Only when all three boys got to watch the cricket match was there equity. Māori are disadvantaged due to colonization.
It is the responsibility of the NZ govt to ensure that policies are made in accordance with Te Tiriti. That is why the scrapping of Te Aka what Ora was so disastrous.
@@ryderoreilly9807 Pure dribble.
Only Racists fear removal of privilage to race.
This bill does have 3 very interesting articles which absolutely need fair attention & national discussion... It is wrong for media & politicians to label the Bill as divisive & therefore wrong. Countless very divisive Bills have gone through parliament over recent decades... it has not caused NZ or Government to shy away from the difficult questions & discussions. There are many NZers / voters who are actually very interested in what has been presented by the ACT Party. Fear, anger & negativity at this stage is counter productive & disrespectful of our democratic process. It would have been better if National & NZ First had given the bill time for the due process to complete before playing their cards in such a negative & dismissive manner... Extremely disappointing & almost makes it appear pointless giving any time to writing honest submissions to a hopefully unbiased Select Committee.
David just got my vote next election.
Mission accomplished DS 🙄
😂 ooohh cool, he might get 9% next election 😂😂
@ hope so even more if the polls can be relied on. It’s all good news 👍
@@lifeliver9000 'Trump will never win they said....
@@SeanBodleyGuitarist true
I love it he brings up Canada and then gets annoyed when david ask for specifics and had no idea what to say 😂😂
All New Zealanders need to be treated equally. Being able to jump the queue in medical school by the colour of your skin is not being treated equally. It should be put to a referendum and let he people of New Zealand decide
Jumping the queue is pretty on target when Maori are big users of the health system with every disease you can think of yeah you got this one right
What a great debate and civil discussion on these issues between both parties.
Both the interviewer and the interviewee having a calm debate on topics that have been radicalized amongst media.
This is the first media interview in which both sides are having a civil debate regarding the proposed bill.
We should not be scared of discussions surrounding the future of this country and the people that call it home.
As a democratic society having access to this sort of information can open eyes to both sides of the debate.
Focus less on who is right and who is wrong and listen to both parties opinions on this matter and use that as tool to make an educated decision to move foward as a democratic society. The bill opens discussion. Be open minded.
Don't be afraid of it.
That doesn't mean u have to accept it.
Merely spend the time to throughly interpret the purpose of it and make and educated decision Around your support for or against it rather than being a sheep and chasing the narrative.
We should all have equal rights under NZ laws, fully agree with David
That concept does not exist anywhere. What do you think equal rights means?
@@Matikemai2040 I'm interested to know what your view of what equal rights means? I have just looked it up in the dictionary, looks like the concept exists alright.
You gave your rights away, don't expect Maori to do it for your benefit
@@jameskatte1175 can you provide evidence in the context of Te Tīriti o Waitangi for example customary rights pre Te Tīriti o Waitangi?
@@jameskatte1175 okay can you expand on your comments and what equal rights mean to yoy? IMO when someone comments “we should all have equal rights” what they actually mean is “indigenous peoples no longer have rights to land or resources because they’re inferior to yt people. So that means inheritance and property rights do not apply to indigenous peoples” this is an opinion based on an uneducated and uninformed idea of history in this country.
Why would someone believe that they have the same customary rights just because they’ve been born here?
David will be Prime Minister one day. We must stop the violence coming from Maori
They need to be taught how
To debate in Parliament. David can do this!
Violence?the protest had no violence
@@ManaBlack208 been a typical narcissist
The Human Rights Act 1993 covers the Equal rights he is proposing. He is campaigning on falsehoods to help his campaign which is all about taking land & property protections off of Maori.
This is it. The seed was planted years ago. 30-40 years from now they wipl get rid of the treaty. Hes interpretating it how he thinks it says. And everyone will believe him because hes in the Government. The treaty was nade so that the white man can stay in NZ in Peace but then the white man started turning on the tribes and then started taking land. Give the country back to the Maori and then we can live how David wants it to be. @cheyannetane
That's exactly what the Colonizers said to the maori un 1840
Think about this political party:
1. Formed in response to perceived injustices, and with the aim of addressing grievances of the communities they represent.
2. Mobilises significant portions of their population by appealing to a strong sense of identity and addressing specific community concerns.
3. Use symbols, flags, and rhetoric to promote their identity and cause.
4. Participate in the democratic processes to gain power and influence.
5. Face criticism for language and rhetoric that has the potential to be perceived as divisive or promoting superiority.
Now - What political parties spring to mind?
Just remember nothing Maori have or do is authentic....it's all made up as they go along....
Seymour made a reaĺy good point in this interview that stood out to me and is weighing heavy on my mind 7:25 he talks about his Hapu wanting to do there own housing and charter school and then he talks about other communities wanting to self govern themselves then he uses the neurodivegent community as an example how they want to set up there own educational system the way they would like it to be but then the presenter tells him he is misinterpreting the principle that Seymour himself referred too. Anyway that sounds like a really good idea for the government to distribute power out to all these different communities so they can do what they wan mt to do but my queation is why can't we get the ball moving on those things without touching the treaty.
Māori want equality too that’s why Māori wanted to make te reo compulsory in schools like English so that it would be equal rights, the treaty said it would protect Māori rights including ancestry, treasures and te reo, but it didn't, it only protected the English language from being lost, so Māori are just claiming the right to fight for that which was not protected, English can't make that claim because their rights were protected, that’s the difference that Seymore doesn’t understand.
I agree / and We do not need *The Waitangi Treaty Principal bill 1975* introduced by David Lange explained...if people Don't understand it already they never will.
@@concernedNZer I see one advantage of Learning " *Te Reo Maori* " not just for Personal use but to Read " *Te Titiri O Waitangi* " in its Original Language and Meaning and See if it Does Line up with " *The Preamble and Article 1, 2 & 3 in the English Version of the Treaty of Waitangi* " 🤔
Going off Article 2 in the English and Maori Version we were PROMISED rights to Taonga (Treasures) Tīkanga Maori , the Rights to our protected Lands & Fishies Rights ...
In Article 3 of the Treaty ALL New Zealands have EQUAL Rights under the Law 🙋
So What's Really going on with Seymour's bill you think 🤔
Understandingly, however what you are proposing by making one ethnicity determine what is to be compulsory by others, goes against democracy, and introduces the states of authoritarianism, totalitarianism, and fascism which in all of history has only ever succeeded in the killing off of hundreds of millions of people of all ethnicities (including indigenous peoples) within these states globally.
The intention of the 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill' is to preserve democracy within the Government of New Zealand whilst honouring the grievances of Maori as per Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It is 'everyone's' ticket to life, liberty and prosperity. That is why the eyes of the World are ON New Zealand with how we deal with it, because its example has the potential of preserving life, liberty and prosperity for all people within all Nations in the world.....which will be a FIRST in the history of the world.
I believe David Seymour's bill, or a similar version of it, I believe, will eventually pass. If not soon, I just hope I'm around to witness it.
😂😂😂bahaha
For what reason? Māori are the ones not being treated equally and it should be a basic right to have access to equity.
@fteeagle9446 I agree Maori arn't being treated equally. My youngest daughter is Maori, she has more privileges than my oldest. Even though they both live with and are supported by me.
@@fteeagle9446 equity is unfair equality is fair
@DairyNZ what privileges does she have over others? Because my children and I are in a manner that is condescending and patronizing and biased. We don't want special treatment, we want effective and informative treatment!!!!!
Well done David calm rational approach done in a democratic way
Yeah and twerk your way back to where your from David 🇨🇦
Although the host clearly disagrees he conducted himself with great dignity quite unlike the One News goons and others. Really great interview well done I subscribed.
So good to have this conversation
Oh yeah..Maori are loving it
Keep your direction one people, many groups, one country. We like many are with u. Stop the corruption so we can move forward
Great conversation. Im all for defining the principles of the treaty. David you are correct.
NO HES NOT.
You cannot sign a treaty with the original land owners and then in 2024 (because you are now a majority), say, this legal treaty doesnt count anymore. Its now between all NZ'ers and even though Maori were the original land owners you are changing the rules. You Pakeha talk about how you have rules and regulations in your democratic system, then you break them to suit your purposes. When a legal document is signed, it needs to be honored.
@@Maria-x4c4f He is not wanting to change the treaty that was signed 200 years ago. Please listen to what he is saying, the non -existent principles are what needs to be clearly defined
You need an account longer than THIS year old and with at least some activity to be taken seriously and not as another of Seymours bots
@@jameskatte1175 Get an account that has at least one watched video outside this one, then we'll treat you like a real person. Way too many bots writing generic support for david.
So good to see a polite and respectful debate on this
20:43 a good challenging interview. The interviewer is a race based communist. The give aways are talk of "equal outcomes" and "what is good for maori is good for everyone" (straight out of Orwell's animal farm!).
People want to be treated equally, the outcomes are then up to you. Ethnicity should not play a part on your treatment.
People also don't support bureaucratic bloat, through doubling up appointments and pay offs for approvals from iwi.
TPM are looking to become a Party like NZ First... the deal maker at the elections, and that is not a bad strategy! LUXON is one such player and keeping very kool in this space almost missing😅
The issue is sovereignty, sovereignty and self-determination are the same.
Self determination is a personal thing. You don't need someone to say you have it or your dont
You're applying a modern interpretation of individualism. In the past, chiefs embodied the philosophy of their iwi. What you're asserting doesn't hold up.
@@jamesgpaku sovereignty or governance?
To have sovereignty, you must have governance.
@@jamesgpaku Yes, you could only have self determination if you were of higher standing like a warrior or chief. Otherwise you were more akin to a slave taking orders all day long.
What gets me the most is, that David could just make a whole new bill, separate from the Treaty, make a new founding document, of our new developing country!
that way the people that do want this for all ethnicity are happy and māori are too, cause the Tiriti isn't changed.
Quite true but then that would quash Davids real agenda of dividing this country and gaining votes by continously streaming race based comments through the media.
Couldn't agree more with David Seymour...universal humanity, what an aspiration. Dividing people along ethnic lines creates division and distrust and has no place in modern society. Identity politics must be rebuked forever. We've all had enough of it.
You sound ignorant just like David
It's about what he defines what the principles are not what they meant to the signatories, pretty silly debate to be honest
Universal humanity?? All ruled by WHO exactly??? I am not YOU and I don't wat to be YOU or part of your UNIVERSAL DELUSION all the same like robots.I WANT TO BE ME!!. UNIQUE, ABLE TO THINK FOR MYSELF. NOT RULED BY GOVERNMENT
on your bike and get
@@Quentin-br5kl Why don't you go and form your own country somewhere, Mars would be good
This is really racist how people will support him for taking away maoris rights
Great interview, David correctly points out several times that the interviewer does not speak for all people of Māori descent as no one person can speak for another or should be able to without their permission.
The interviewee doesn’t speak for Me
And David does not speak for All New Zealanders or All Humanity.
However what Seymore is ignorantly not stating is that, last time govt was in full control of the country, Māori weren't allowed to be Māori. They were forced to assimilate into Pākehā worldviews. Speaking only English or they'll get wacked. Land being confiscated so the Pākahā immigrants can have land. This lies the problem. He says "everyone should have the same rights" but nowhere in the history of the world has a minority ever had the same rights as the majority.
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
@@calnik2024 tautoko
The court of appeal said it’s like a partnership. Not that it is one.
Does it stop you expressing your cultur no. It stops racism. It stop the nepotism of Tikanga Maori.
It stops the story ion if taxes from councils by Iwi.
It stops veto rights and intimidation by tribal hegemony. Also that by big iwi over small iwi. End the racism. End the nepotism.
It's great to see some respected Maori and some mainstream media finally see this is good for all NZers.
Mr Seymour is putting forward a solution that will work for all. I am an Irish English /Romani Gypsy and born in New Zealand. This Bill is not racist or oppressive and I would be the first to protest it if it was.
"Do the right thing I'm not talking about a black or white thing" - lyrics from Kingpin and the FBI, "Do the Right Thing", American hip hop group, check out the lyrics of this classic track. 👌
Thank you David
And has the white man in America ever done the right thing by black Americans hell fkn No they haven’t, that’s just a song your taking about nothing has ever been that simple
The fact that you ignore it's against the participants agreement shows otherwise. Plus, I've never seen you at a protest against perpetual leases or the 2% redress when everyone else is entitled to 100%
What happened to you being "the first to protest if it was"????
I guess it was all lip service
😂😂😂hahaha. Jokes on you
@@tanepukenga1421 never insult a Romani Gypsy.
Your new age greed, ignorance, corruption, crime and racism will be your downfall. You have decided to make enemies of many of the great people here from the world over what happened over 100 years ago. NZ is moving forward with or without you probably the latter.
Stop your selfish moaning and complaining all the time and work in with the great NZers here and we can all reach great heights
@@PeterTrot Calling out your hypocrisy and BS isn't insulting you. Interesting that you take it as such though
The argument against David Seymours claims cannot get around then fact the 3 principles are for everyone and any argument against is not. It doesn’t matter how you skin it, his is a philosophically sound argument. Nice work David and to the interviewer for his adherence to a reasonably good faith interview.
It was a good civilised discussion. I respect David Seymour times a thousand; he's cool and has a fair winnable argument.
You all lost...😂😂😂
@@josephjamesrollo9826 Good-on-yah, enjoy the trough while you have it.;)
David doesn’t understand tinorangatira.
So David needs to change it so he can have more control over Māori and keep his rich mate happy, allowing anyone to buy up our land and do what they want with it while the people of the land-the ones who were here first-just get left in the dirt with not a lot. Then it’s those same rich people who will belittle us for having nothing and just being Māori. They don’t like that we are Māori, and we are PROUD TO BE MĀORI ❤
Remember, Pete, your ancestors came to Aotearoa.
Pete, what if someone came into your home that you respect and love and they told you how to live in your own home? They start making rules not to benefit you or your home, but to benefit themselves and their pockets, making you out to be not important even though you, Pete, own the home and pay for it? You respect your home. Would you let just any old bugger come in and do that to the place you respect and love?
Let me know if you need any more help understanding from a Māori perspective I’m sure your a good guy Pete you probably just need a bit more educating on this topic love and light KIA ORA ❤️🤍🖤
The Treaty was signed between the British Crown and Maori (who the crown recognised as a people not a race - not different from Fijinas or Samoans etc). Now the modernised version of the Settler colonialist government has appointed ITSELF judge, jury and executioner? Represent other New Zealanders as much as you like, but we never asked you to represent us - and you aren't anyway.
Very interesting point Seymour is making by inclusivity to all Kiwi citizen nationalities to be included in Toitu Te Tiriti O Waitangi. How can the viewpoint of this proposal of inclusivity be a logical solution for other nationalities when the Tiriti of Waitangi is a document between the Sovereignty and the Maori people through Rangatira Tanga only. David Seymour is creating a racial profile between tangata iwi and citizenship of nationalities from other countries. The conjecture of Nationals plans that openly invited foreign investment with the promise of citizenship has created the proposed forced changes to the Tiriti and that in turn will challenge the outcome. The proposed changes are the ideology of a Marxist regime at its finest. 3 more years of endurance and the task of ensuring that the bill does not pass will be a long process. Kia Kaha Kia Maia Kia Manawanui.
Wow hasn't the situation changed where Democratic manipulation falls Republicly. The ACT is nothing but that of manipulation by letting the Major Parties do their deeds. The actions are nothing more than agreements without accepting instigation. There has to therefore be a joint agreeable action plan between National and ACT Parties to execute the perfect plan knowing very well what would happen. What surprises me more is knowing that Maori politicians that have been put in these positions to help our people and call it democratically a party based decision. Not only have they been used as scapegoats for our people, it does not sway partial responsibility. Again manipulation puts them in representative positions through voting process and making changes. Is it right that the status quo is decided in parliament and not given to the population to vote, isn't that the democratic process
David Seymour is a class act, always holds these biased interviewers accountable for there words, calls them out, Its brilliant. Keep up the great work David, theres only so many times they can say its just "your bill" and Maori dont support the bill, these gross geralizations are meant to try and tell people "you are supposed to be against this bill purely based on your ethnicity". Its simply not true, this bil does not take away, but adds to everybody. I want to address one thing the interviewer said though, "whats good for Maori is good for everyone"... how? to me this is blatant rascism. Whats good for everyone is good for everyone. I think even kindergardeners understand that.
He says he talked to Maori all the time. Can he name these people?
Julian Wilcox is a muppet
@@servicecam5566you are a muppet!
Yeah. He talks to winston
He's of maori decent 😂 I'm guessing he's not maori enough for you
@@servicecam5566and David Seymour is a puppet.
You only have to go over to the ACT TH-cam channel and read the comments to see the cookers who agree with DB Seymour. That’s who he’s talking to. It’s all about power and votes people. Immigration is next.
"When you live with privilege for such a long time, equality feels like oppression"
Can someone please ask Mr Seymour how te tiriti stops anyone from their human rights. The three examples he provided RMA, Three Waters and Co-Governace. Those are about assets and resources, and not human rights or self-determination.
Our vote goes to the one whom speaks for Good humanity for all NZ, David Seymour has our support.
Got luck on trying to pull the wool over David's eyes ,
Where do the days go!
Yeah i feel sorry for the Maori they cant trust any colonial government been lied to too many times
Ironically, the only way self-determination in the way David Seymour describes it is somewhat assured for Māori if his bill passes is if Act stays in government for eternity. Because they endorse less regulation, less centralised control, being a very right wing party. Of course no party is to remain in government forever, though, and when the central and left wing parties take government and seek to do more governing, then without the existing principles that interpret the treaty, there is no legislation ensuring equality and self-determination for Māori. That’s the flaw in David’s argument that he’s taking nothing away from Māori. He’s taking away the assurance that Māori have under the treaty that they retain their rights to self-determination regardless of who is governing. And the right to protect their whenua and moana, which absolutely benefits us all.
incorrect. If the 'Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi Bill' passes into law, it guarantees constitutionally 'tino rangatiratanga' for everyone under governance of the Crown for perpetuity, including ALL representatives of the Crown. Anyone in breach of the New Zealand Constitution (of which the governance of laws is made, and of which are made up from these principles along with other human rights bills and acts), will be held accountable for treason in law. Treason is the most punishable crime along with murder, carrying the weight of Life Imprisonment. This is what 'equality' is.........ONE Law that accounts for the actions of everyone equally.
Who is more right?
A Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A non-Maori who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A Judge who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A Politician who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A Govenor General who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
A King who breaks into your home killing your whole family, stealing your taonga and whenua?
If your way of thinking about universal humanity is so good for countries then why are so many Indigenous people in other countries experiencing similar struggles to Maori. High incarceration, landless, poor health, education etc. The bill is all in the mind of Seymour. Show me a country with Indigenous people where this isn't the case.
You’ll still find that those indigenous populations still have better societal well-being outcomes comparative to many cultures untouched by colonialism or any other form of compulsory administration.
For example Cook Islands vs Māori wellbeing statistics
Your argument also ignores differences between non indigenous ethnicities within those same societies
For example Asians outperform Europeans in many of the wellbeing statistics- are Europeans also then victims of some systemic oppression?
The universal experience is directly linked to the liberal victim state. IT is the dangerous liberal iedalogues that proliferate this helplessness and perpetuate this narrative that if you are brown you are a victim by default, thus creating a bunch of brown people worldwide who feel less than since birth and live thusly. As a maori woman i cant stand that sh't and i find it incredibly insulting to indigenous intellect.
@@Gumpmachine1 Exactly, well said.
It’s called being reasonable and knowing what you’re talking about
Every race is indigenous somewhere. Why do some indigenous think they should control other indigenous. We are all humans to be treated with the same rights and respect . End of
In the treaty there is never anything about social warfare yet it's not something that's being complaint about
People need to be educated about the treaty not your principles.
The principles favor pakeha not Maori
The treaty was a very simple document, it has been manipulated and contorted to mean whatever the Waitangi Tribunal wants it to
The treaty was a very simple document. It has been distorted and manipulated since the 1970s to mean whatever the Waitangi tribunal decides it should mean. There's the problem
@stephenlennon7369 how does that work?
@stephenlennon7369 they favor everyone. Do you want maori to be more privllaged
there is no way anyone can fully comprehend the premise of the treaty from 1840 as it was so long ago and everyone had very different perspectives then and those perspectives would be very different in todays more modern world. how about the following : 1 : Park the Treaty to one side as a iconic and respected historic document. 2 : Equal rights/opportunity for all NZers (which actually pretty much exists today) 3 : Ensure that Maori language and culture continues to be respected/taught etc.. 4. Maori have fallen behind in many cases (crime rates / education levels) so put in place strong mentorship programs for the youth to help them navigate their way forward. Maori have to accept globalisation and you either embrace it OR you get left behind - this is a challenge for all worldwide communities. Nice calm debate : well done!!
The treaty was their to protect Maoris rights during settlement. Today Maori have total equal rights , with all the same democratic eligibility. There's nothing the treaty thats says Maori tribes will have a governing authourity for the unforeseeable future.
People are living with 2024 rights and access to services while pretending it's still 1840.
Speak for yourself you not maori.we don't have equal rites.
@@gbrown9663bullshit - only if you have a victim mentality have you not got equal rights. Can you vote? Yes.. Can you get a licence and drive on our roads? Yes... Can you get a bank account and apply for financial assistance? Yes... Can you get a job and contribute to society? Yes... Can you recieve Healthcare and go to hospital if you need to? Yes.. what the hell makes you think you have less rights? Can you claim tangata whenua status and have access to kaimoana where others can't? Yes.. in fact - you have more rights than most other cultures, backgrounds etc ..
@gbrown9663 What rights don't you have?
Incorrect, hence the problem, you don't know what you are talking about.
@@gbrown9663 What rights don't Maori have???
Good to see respectful discussion.
I think David met his match! Well done interviewer! Level headed and not rude, didn't smirk condescendingly or attack David the way he low-key did to you.
Also David, YOU'RE the one speaking on behalf of maori - redefining what the treaty means. WITHOUT talking and getting a consensus from maori chosen speakers/leadera of their iwi.
And you don't understand tino rangatiratanga...
Some are all keen to state the Treaty was poorly written and designed to disadvantage Maori, yet at the same time claim ownership of everything because of the treaty. So which is it?
Doublespeak is communicating in a way that misrepresents or obscures the truth. It combines both sense and nonsense in a deliberate effort on the part of the message sender to conceal the true meaning of what is being said. In some cases, doublespeak is used to soften the impact of what the message sender is describing but is more often used to camouflage the truth.
Called bullshit
@@brendonthompson1691 What do you mean?
Great debate good work, thank you. I believe it is time for democracy to prevail so each individual can have their say.
@@andreatodd3095 democracy is inherently evil and racist by it's very design in colonized countries. It's a colonizing weapon against Maori in their own land.
It's a language pakeha have created to cover up their sins or continue to commit crimes on humanity.
Māori are afraid that there is a greater non Māori population that could have a big effect on this
Exactly. Being a minority on your own land is frightening.. Maori once had the majority and weren't allowed to rule and now Maori are outnumbered 5 to 1 Classic case of weaponizing democracy against Maori.
Co-governance is in the treaty. Brits replaced rangatiratanga (run by local chiefs) into sovereignty (run by UK royals). The treaty house was set on fire but the treaty document still exists showing the details along with its burnt frayed edges. We've tried the colonial system for a hell of a long time and now is the time to give the actual documented deal a fair go. My tipuna, Pomare signed the treaty on 15 Feb 1840 and we're still waiting. Focus on getting in the waka and working together - Kiingi Tuheitia.
Nah, the Chiefs knew what they were signing. Some of them could speak perfect English and a couple of them had already visited England during that time. Quite naive to think they were simpletons who knew nothing of world affairs.
@@funtimesatbeaverfalls My tipuna on my mum's side, Hongi Hika went to England. Queen Victoria gave him trinkets that he traded for muskets in Sydney on his return to Aotearoa. Quite naive to think that Victoria could buy off Māori chiefs with shiny trinkets.
@@djpomare When Hongi went to England in 1820 he met King George VI. Victoria was no more than one year old at the time and would not ascend the throne until 1837, well after Hongi's death in 1828.
@@simonchapple3154 So the trinkets came from George. Thanks Simon.
We need more conversations like this in NZ…
Well done david about time someone with balls was able to step up and finally nz have the choice to make some change so we are finally finally equal
@@robflorentine2951 ultra right national extremists sounding more like 1930s Germany everday
Lol
Wow your all cheering the man on
What about the repercussions for Nz from his bill.
More of our hard earned taxpayer money paid out for extra police to name one thing
50.000 or more people and why.
Why do you think other leaders haven’t been stupid and gone here
Sir John key 10 yrs ago warned that no good can come from trying to alter the treaty principles in any way-he called it the hikoi from hell .David Seymour hasn’t listened to legal political or academic advice surely that is stupid.
Fake account with no activity or playlists since it was created a decade ago
@robflorentine2951 sorry you feel left out. That equal thing is rubbish. Maori will be around for ever. It looks like in 50 years maori will be a majority
What the heck? Is this for real?
There is no happy successful country that operates a separate system based on race.
This beyond belief.
Respect the treaty wording has recently been added to the code of practice I operate under. What exactly does this mean?
We need absolute clarification. This seems deeply disturbing.
This is not New Zealand 🇳🇿
Pre 2020 we have always been happy awesome and proud kiwis.
SUPPORT THE BILL DAVID.
It is interesting the PM was absent from the 1st reading. Why?
First reading is this Thursday. So a nothing there mate. Just focus on the content of the bill and not nothing things like that.
And as a veteran leftie i put humanity first not race.
He wants to change a legal agreement to suit him. Simple as that
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
@@calnik2024intentionally!
We are treated equally.
We are equally struggling to provide for our families, we are equally paying ridiculous tax. We are equally being manipulated by a government system. We are all equally lied to about how the world runs it and who...We were equally lied to about COVID.
Maori are not fighting the people we are fighting the government.wake up
Just out of interest when did Māori start using the english alphabet as used in the treaty and when did macrons start being used?
Probably Christian missionaries writing the Bible in te reo.
Quick history lesson, I may not be correct.
Around 1814 - 1820 missionary's started to translate the verbal language to written text. From 1820s Maori took up reading and writing, but given the time a lot of this was charcoal / leaves / wood. By 1870 there were many Europeans who could speak the Maori language, given this was the second or third generations from the early settlers / kids growing around it. Although by 1860 Europeans were the majority, therefore, English became more dominant. At the time Europeans didn't understand the importance of the Maori language, in terms of maintaining pride and identity as a people. Eventually there was less relevance for Maori language given society was dominated by Europeans, most Maori either lived countryside or were being assimilated into the European world, this all lead to the language being discouraged and people being punished for using it. Remember at this time ideology, technology and the way of life was completely different, nothing we could contemplate today. 1900s-1940s you had Maori entering the work force / world wars which resulted in Maori learning and speaking English.
@@trav8787 Thanks
The assumption that indigenous people have equal rights is quite far from the truth. Name me a colonised country where the indigenous were treated fairly and equally. To say this is about universal humanity is purely to get people onside. It's like saying, listen we know you've been disadvantaged for 200 years, but now we don't want you to have a say anymore. That's fair right? Just because YOU don't have to see inequality, does NOT mean it doesn't exist. And anyway, why does the NZ government, which is an extension of the crown, get to just TAKE full control? The Maori never gave it up. I'm not even Maori, it's just logical. None of this nonsense makes any sense.
No one was treated very fairly 200 years ago, it was a brutal existence for most people. But we live now, in the 21st Century and if any Maori want to protest they should go lecture the farmers with the biggest farms in the Country and demand rent money instead of harassing everyday working class people.
@@funtimesatbeaverfalls Ah, so Maori people are completely equal to Pakeha in NZ today? Since everyone had it tough back then right? Seymour paints a picture where Maori stand above non-Maori in this country and must be brought back down, ignoring the many many ways where Maori are disadvantaged. He does this to appeal to people who have never seen inequality up close and never bother to learn about it. Seems its working well.
Can't agree more
Absolute rubbish red herring argument. The point here is to address inequities based on NEED not on RACE. It is true that many Māori are disadvantaged. It is also true that many other ethnic New Zealanders are. Act is proposing to address these inequities without regard to race by looking at the root causes. For instance, as referenced in the video, by addressing housing and education. Staying on the current path of grouping people by race results in consequences such as non-disadvantaged Māori being offered enhanced rights that they do not need which is fundamentally inequitable. For example, healthcare grants/university quotas. Grouping people by race is lazy and we need to do much better as a country
@@jackbrown1226 context matters. The disadvantages that Maori face, historically and in the modern day, are directly from the actions of the government and the system. The system put in place IS the root cause of the Maori's current situation. And both you and Seymour talk about "what about the non-disadvantaged Maori's?" Though these people exist, they are far far away from the norm. And you just need to look at the statistics to understand this. Higher death rates, higher incarceration, worse health, more unemployment, lower income, it goes on. The argument "well some of them are well off" falls flat when you take a look at the numbers. And this is the issue that I take with your and Seymour's stance. There is far too much hand waving and not enough evidence. Look at the numbers. There's hundreds of papers and studies that look at these issues and explore them in a scientific manner, but hey, forget all those right? They don't fit the narrative.
As a sidenote: only members of the majority have the privilege of not having to think about race. Racism, unequal treatment, stereotyping, happens everyday for someone in the minority. I myself would love to not think about it, but I am reminded everyday.
I think they both did really well. Nice change from the normal dribble. Still waiting to hear a fully explained vision for a split country.
Yes, but Seymor is advocating for institutional racism. That is the glaring difference.
Who ever said there would a split country other than you and david? Oh right, the people trying to stir
@tanepukenga1421 Well the Maori Party and other Maori political radicals who suggested that there should be a separate government for Maori. Also anyone who agrees with the idea of a partnership, which is a current treaty principle established by the courts. It insists our country is a based on a partnership between Maori and everyone else. Which admits those groups aren't the same and have different rights.
If you agree that everyone should have equal rights, and the country should have all people under one law and government who had the right to govern. Then you should support the bill
@@watzimagiga They didn't suggest it, David suggested and they were asked about it. You know we can look this up, right?
@@tanepukenga1421 You have to present a positive case for how the country should work. Not just croticise
Maori weren't the indigenous people of NZ, there were other races when we arrived here anyway.
I think making it fair for all NZ'ers is a good thing.
We are all people, what we need to start doing is policing the people running our trusts who are ripping off money from the rest of the tribal members, including our children.
I dont see anyone else on the NZ coat of arms, do you??
@justscrolling1323
I wouldn't base my historical knowledge around the coat of arms of every country.
@@JDFamily5we're talking about new zealand.
@justscrolling1323
Yes, the same applies to New zealand.
Maori themselves have passed down the knowledge through generations about at least two other races being here when we arrived.
Blonde haired tattooed people, believed to possibly be Norwegian.
And red-haired dark skinned believed to be south American.
@@JDFamily5oh..ok
Narcissistic attitudes does not agree or listen to what anyone says
If this Bill is sooooo important for our human rights, what about the Bill of Human Rights? My human rights are just fine under Te Tiriti. But after the Christchurch terror attack, my right to life felt like it was on shaky ground thanks to some YOU people's ancestral cousin.
@Davidseymour is either intentionally or mistakenly using the Equal rights for All New Zealanders arguement to effectively change/nullify Tino Rangatira Status i.e. Te Tiriti O Waitangi(Legal Contract) between the Crown and Iwi Hapu (Tangata Whenua). Equal Rights for all New Zealanders (Every NZ citizen) are already protected by Law under the Humans Right Act 1993 and The NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990. They are two separate things which the Courts (Independently) Have already ruled on. Its confusing or misleading everyone that they are the same things. If he wants to effectively change Tino Rangtiratanga status now, that will need to be signed by Iwi and the crown, not the Government
This interview featured someone who, having never been impacted by the Treaty, is telling those who face systemic mistreatment to simply 'be equal.' But are incarceration rates equal? According to recent data, Māori are overrepresented in the prison system, accounting for more than 50% of the prison population while only making up 15% of the national population. Is poverty equal? Studies show Māori households are significantly more likely to experience poverty, lower wages, and limited access to healthcare. To talk about equality, we must first address these disparities and uphold the Treaty’s promises. Māori continue to face inequities in nearly every category, but apparently getting the royal treatment 😂
To find solutions to these disproportionate statistics you've gotta address why at the core. And the only way it'll change requires changes in behaviour. All measures of making up for injustices could theoretically be done by government (which is another discussion different to what this bill covers) but ultimately, to change those statistics it requires individuals changing their behaviour and taking responsibility for their lives. People can do it, get themselves out of criminal or poverty cycle. No amount of apologising or reparations will help them choose that. And in fact, giving more rights over others who are doing better in order to help them along will actually keep them away from taking that route. Rights and support are different things. More support might be needed for sure - but rights should always be equal. No society that has unequal rights has ever done well. What Seymour is proposing does not effect or address the *support* for Māori in need. It is assuring that no matter what heritage you have you have the same basic human rights, and he's just calling for discussion on defining the *principles* of the treaty - not to take it away. The principles are not in the treaty, that's why he is calling for there to be some clarity.
@jordanparanihi1947 so what are the basic human rights everyone else is missing out on due to the treaty?
The points you have raised about Māori representation in prisons, health outcomes etc… are correct. There is however a very big difference between equal opportunity & equal outcomes. I think we often get these mixed up. I am all in favor for all New Zealanders having equal opportunities but we all need to accept that will never be equal outcomes from those opportunities. In the history of human kind there never has and never will be equal outcomes.
Most of the problems Maori have are due to being poor and having cycles of violence in their families, not due to racism. The best way for govt to help is to provide more job opportunities and decent quality social housing in poor communities around NZ, not based on race but based on need. Male violence is often due to feelings of humiliation and social isolation which is connected to housing and employment status. In a lot of towns around NZ where Maori live the local economies are shit and there is nothing to do except join gangs and do drugs and crime, since the meatworks or whatever closed that used to employ all the men. Any government policy that is perceived to give Maori special needs treatment will cause backlash and increased votes for ACT and NZF, which is what we saw in the last election.
The 1840 version was the beginning, 1975 was an evolution, the recent interpretation (TPM's sovereignty not given up and separate states), and this is just another evolution....I say YES
David is on fire. Thank you for saying what the vast majority of kiwis think.
We are all human, Colour is blind!
dont use our word kiwi you are british
@@southpacific222 we will not have to worry about any right s soon as this co-government including David Seymour will stuff our beautiful Country.
We are fighting to stop this from happening
Greenpeace ses it well
profit
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has said his ten-year goal is to double New Zealand exports which aligned with fast-track projects but Lee said these projects “would spell the end for us”.
Lee said the profits were marginal and not worth the environmental destruction.
For instance, in New Zealand mining companies paid a 2% royalty on the net sales revenue of certain minerals if their accounting profits were below a certain threshold - for coal it is $5 million and for gold it is $2 million and, above the threshold, the company pays the higher of the 2% royalty or a 10% accounting profits royalty.
Resources were finite and extractivism was linear and came with the mindset of taking until there was nothing left, Lee said, “It will not be able to sustain itself. There is no version of mining that is sustainable”.
Lee said the government prioritised primary industries and extractivism as the only or best ways to support communities and societies, when those very industries were destroying the natural environment that people’s wellness and livelihoods depend upon. Lee said they should be incentivising other ways of living, Indigenous ways of living which involved regenerative agriculture and food production.
For hundreds of years, Lee said there was evidence of how mining and other extractive industries had harmed the environment and communities where water sources and soil remain contaminated long after mines close.
“They’re not learning and that’s why I would call this government regressive because it doesn’t seem to be able to learn from the past.”
One-term government?
Lee said the way forward was to get rid of the coalition government because it lacked ambition, compassion and was regressive.
She said it would be ideal to have a one-term government because of what she called the anti-democratic ways the present coalition was doing things “through the dismissal of attempts at participatory democracy”.
Lee wanted a complete system shift where other ways of living were incentivised and said Indigenous leadership would recognise Indigenous value systems and focus on relationality between others and the natural world.
I dont think Majority of Kiwis think that
@ haha this bill is dead
Colour says nothing of virtue
Im not Maori so to watch this helped Thank you 👍 Hui show for giving me more understanding of how much this guy, David is mentally lost 😢 he does not want to see or hear the truth, the majority of Maori don't like your bill, And he knows that Maori is outnumbered in there own country, real colonization all over again.
😢😢saddd......
Seymour is correct…we all need to be equal …special rights for maori is racism
Yeah give the tangata whenua back to its rightful owners first and you sound righteous as Seymour.
Dream's are free
@@AotearoaAccoustics
Your korero is wrong.
The Whenua and Mana is still there.
@@AotearoaAccoustics You talk through your arse, you dont know what the fuck you're on about you been listening to most bullshits of what others saying..
So lets take everything from someone then say equal rights.
The minute we want to tax the rich? no more equal rights.
Anyone that says we are equal are childish and are in no position to vote on this topic.
@@AotearoaAccoustics Got your facts wrong pal
absolutely right - universal human rights will not go away and they will win.
You cannot sign a treaty with the original land owners and then in 2024 (because you are now a majority), say, this legal treaty doesnt count anymore. Its now between all NZ'ers and even though Maori were the original land owners you are changing the rules. You Pakeha talk about how you have rules and regulations in your democratic system, then you break them to suit your purposes. When a legal document is signed, it needs to be honored.
According to history, all land claims were settled full and final in the 1960's. The grift began with the establishment of the Waitangi tribunal in 1975. The Waitangi tribunal has been actively rewriting NZ history and is driven by a belief in past wrongs together with supposed wrongs of colonialism provides a forum for dissatisfied Maori to sit aside from the rest of us to build a collective view of discontent. The tribunal became a scam, a place were Maori could bring a grievance and then a claim and the claim would be highly likely to be honoured by the tribunal. Oral testimonies from claimants were accepted as fact. The Waitangi Tribunal is free to receive whatever evidence it pleases, anecdote, reminiscence, hearsay are acceptable. In other words, claimants could literally make up their claims, and these would be accepted by the Tribunal. The Jaw dropping reality is that most often, government just rubber stamped the Tribunals recommendations without fact checking the basis of the recommendations. The blame is on both sides for what we have today.
@@jameskatte1175 Nope thats just rubbish. You continue on this mindset that Maori ceeded, WRONG. That is the issue that we have here that is the problem for what we have today, it is because you CHOOSE not to accept the truth. Settlements confirm the breaches and the breaches continue. Getting tired of having to justify the honourable respect Tupuna gave you to stay here, and what do you offer in return? Tell me what you have offered?
@@matakitaki1 Your Tupuna sold off their land and thought it was a good deal at the time.
Blame them for giving up the power. Read your history on why Maori embraced British rule and protection, not a mindset, facts. Can't be bothered answering the rest, if you have not benefitted from European progress. You must have a computer aye?
@@matakitaki1 Here are a few things: Significantly increased life expectancy of Māori (Average LE of Maori pre treaty was about 38-42, now its 67-73), build roads, railroads, hospitals, schools, universities. Had much fast shipping, much better housing, taught Maori mathematics, written language (which you seem to be using). And yes there were some injustices but the vast majority (85-90%) was legal purchased by the crown or settlers. The crown has worked to right those wrongs done. It's time we as Kiwis all move on from this and Seymour bill looks like a good place to start. Before you say anything I'm a Maori myself.
signed by people who could not read or write geez
Well done, David. This guy refused to listen to any reasonable argument and defaults back to the same flawed points, and you kept levelheaded and logical
David had trouble listening in my view! Did you not hear that his personal opinion and need is not supported by experts & scholars.
@@joyaroha6683 Experts and scholars is intentionally vague. If they gave names, people could have a look and see if they actually make sense rather than just "trust the experts." I would rather hear logical arguments with evidence to support it, which is all made available to anyone who wants to delve deeper into the facts
@@Kaneski007 you need to be responsible by looking into your own ‘intentional vague’ comment… The amount of people that just write statement after statement gaslighting their personal opinion to assert power all over social media these days without any basic understanding or research is embarrasing. Google his name and the word Treaty go down the rabbit hole it’s easy to decipher ‘the credible documents are stamped’ there a findings from judges, barristers, lawyers & scholars (both Māori & Pakeha) in simple english across previous high court document proceedings leading into his bill. Ministries & govt agency also have inquiry outcomes signalling how they will go forward and operate it’s clear the support is not there.
The first mistake Seymour makes and there are many
Maori are not New Zealanders they are Tangata Whenua
When you lot recognise this it opens options for you, but no head too far up arse
@@Kaneski007 No they aren't, have you read ANYTHING scholarly? I very much doubt it when your saying BS like that. It's like you don't know what methodology is at all.
Lol, and refusing to listen to actual experts but pretending you want "facts". I guess you ask your plumber to do your open heart surgeries too since you don't need experts.
So Maori and the Government have a conversation and the rest of the public are kept out? The Treaty was signed when there was no Democracy in New Zealand. Where's the fairness, where's the inclusion and diversity of opinion that respects all the other people and cultures that live in New Zealand that do not get to have a say on the Constitution. It was signed by an absolute , absent, Monarch and the people at the time had no right to have an opinion otherwise. We now live in a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, Democratic society and we are denied the right to have a say in the future Constitution of our country by the stroke of a pen of a long dead Monarch and Chiefs. Even the US Constitution has 27 ratified amendments to it's Constitution and it starts with "We the People" and so should ours.
“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” Dr Thomas Sowell
Thats how treaties work. The FACT is the treaty exists, it was signed, thats it. Its is a BINDING DOCUMENT. Do the Native Americans get a say on the American declaration of Independence? What about Brits who live in the US now? Do they get to have a discussion about whether they agree with being independent from Britain? Does America ditch the declaration of independence because it was signed a long time ago?
The idea that equal treatment feels like discrimination when people are used to preferential treatment is relevant here, but in reverse: the system for years favored a colonial viewpoint and marginalized Māori. Correcting that imbalance is not discrimination; it’s fairness. The Treaty shouldn’t be cast aside just because it was signed under different circumstances-it’s a reminder that commitments were made that need to be honored in any just and inclusive future.
@@Arms26 Native Americans do have autonomy inside their Reservations. They can practice their culture, language and traditions without hinderance from the local or Federal Government. If they want to live in the wider community then yes they have to obey the State and Federal laws. No one disputes the Treaty was signed, what is disputed is what the "Principles" are or mean. A "Principle" can mean anything and is open to interpretation by the Courts. Brits living in the USA is a ridiculous argument, if they are US citizens then they do get a voice under the 1st Amendment and they get to vote. If they are British citizens then they don't get a choice. If they wanted to push to restore the Monarchy they have every right under the US Constitution to try to achieve it through Political means, good luck with that however. All this talk of self determination but you don't want to give all New Zealanders the chance to have a say on their self determination, sounds a bit hypocritical.
"The Truth does not mind being questioned. A lie does not like being challenged"
The treaty was signed by the crown and Maori. New Zealanders are represented by the crown. No other parties will support this bill after the first reading. Educate yourself
@@Bellxking Who is advocating for the Treaty to be cast aside? David Seymour clearly states that is not the intent. It is to clear up what "Principles" mean so that activist Judges don't decide for themselves what "Principles" mean.
i think the most telling point in the discussion was the two views points of (what is good for maori is good for everyone) vs (what is good for everyone is good for maori) if you cant understand why one of these is correct and the other is wrong then i think you are probably just biased
if you still don't know why try replacing the word maori with scottish or iranians or fijians or russians and you soon should realize well at least i hope
Thank you David
This is a good interview. But I want to point out. Māori are now accused of acting like they are privileged and are racist. Let me see what history has shown who has been the worst racist culture.
That would be the English. Who always thought that they were the most superior culture to others.
The Indians kicked them out of India, the Chinese out of China.
They forced their language onto other cultures and took their lands off of them in some dirty ways.
In the 1950s-1960s Māori were not allowed in pubs or hotels. So segregation was started back then.
Māori were also not allowed to speak Māori at school. Otherwise you would get a hiding from the teacher.
Now we have people in this country complaining about Māori music being played in supermarkets, even came across someone complaining about a bread that had a Māori name , yet no one complained about there being French Baguette.
Even with this si called human rights. The ones that always cope it. Are the wealthy.
People have always been prejudiced against them, especially the poor and the jealous ones. Yet most of them are the most generous giving people and a lot of them started with nothing.
10:09 Interesting
Interesting view point, i would look to change the TOW as a founding document to just be another document only for maori and we should create a separate clear constitution
Once again David you blitz the interviewer/journalist.
This guy tried to catch you out, but even he revealed his lack of understanding on this topic or his Māori bias. His body language spoke volumes… Well Done David!
You have huge support on this bill.
No he didn't. And there's tens of thousands marching right now that say he doesn't.
@@tanepukenga1421tens of thousands… well that’s a embellishment isn’t it. 😂
@@mrsANGRYh It started with two thousand and has already increased to 12K in one day. I know you really, REALLY hate Maori, but you can't stop us
@@Froggability First, you're not my slave owner, nor anyone else's. We don't owe you an explanation on our views. Second, they have already stated why and you are perfectly capable of looking it up yourself - which you have CHOSEN not to do.
Lastly, yes. People generally get fired up when you try to strip their rights away
David got caught out. That's why the treaty of principles bill is dead. Thanks David