7:23 Capcom, it's been way too hard to make a tier list for this game, everyone is so close together. Could you please buff the high tiers and nerf the low tiers? Thank you.
As someone who got into fighting games with Strive and SF6, and who doesn't have any interest in branching out into older games yet, a part of me feels legitimately disappointed that there aren't any outright bad characters anymore. I never got to experience shit like Eleven
@@budgetcommander4849 you mean Tweleve (Twelve) yeah? Eleven was the random select free dlc character from sfv Also fightcade is an option, you can still play these older fighting games, although I get that you mean being around at the time when the fg was relevant/recent. Although it’s important to note that fighting game metas developed a lot slower back then than they did now, we wouldn’t necessarily know the absolute top tiers or low tiers. Taking 3s as an example, both Yun Genei-jin and Urien (phone autocorrected to “autism” there) Aegis Reflector were relatively late developments to 3s’s meta, as in at minimum 6 years after the game launched… for the US. Iirc Japan had Urien sa3 stuff known earlier and I’m definitely going to misremember some timeframes since my memory’s shite but point is that fighting games progressed slowly (Sajam has an old vid on this actually). The reason I mention this fact is if you were around for those old games, you wouldn’t really know the whole deal about every character. It’d be more likely you had a local guy who had a mean ass Yang or Ibuki than you knowing the absolute top 2 (sa2 Chun and sa3 Yang) with the absolute bottom 2 (sa2 Sean and sa3 Tweleve, using their worst supers here for reference, you wouldn’t actually use these). Even then 3s actually has a pretty even roster in some aspects with characters like Hugo and Q still being threatening (ironically they’re both grapplers) and even Tweleve and Sean aren’t unplayable (there’s like at least one top JP Tweleve and Sean is mostly cripplingly outclassed but he’s still. A shoto. Just a shite one). If you want a real true bottom tier look at Vampire Savior’s Anakaris. Bro can’t even pushblock in a game where pushblock is _really_ important and his guard cancel is punishable on hit so the overall nothing character just loses if you interact with him at all. His moves are also just overall really bad iirc. Anyway yeah fighting games are cool, and the old shit is definitely really interesting.
Reminds me of a comment from back in a 2011 thread for UMvC3 patch notes: "The problem with Capcom's approach to patching is they use a dartboard featuring pictures of only low tier characters"
Between Dee Jay and Ed, Street Fighter 6 has been giving unloved characters glow ups. I'm honestly fine with whoever they announce for season 2, because it'll probably end up cool. Even Abigail
Im a proud dee jay main since i started playing in sf2, didn't like his usf4 version but the omega shit was amazing, glad he's considered very cool now, just like ed
@@sanicboi9187 Cammy's at least somewhat makes sense, because she's military and ex-shadaloo. But Jamie's comes a little bit out of nowhere, he's normally a pretty lightheaded dude. I guess extensive drinking would do that 😂
@@crosslinezero3572 The only personal gripe I have is that shirtless + jacket is a weird blend for a look. I know a few characters who've made it work though (Majima Goro).
I don't have much to say about Ed (in terms of boxers, I have other preferences), but I do want to compliment Capcom for giving him a bit more of a slim physique than the average body-type of the cast in the game. I'm all for moving away from homogenous looks and fighting games have an issue of making nearly every male fighter built like a JoJo Part 1-3 character.
I mean fist of the north star popularized it. Also it isn't farfetched every female fighter is either child or a women with very toned assets. The pinnacle of physique is part of the fantasy and I bet you still know who every male fighter is based on their design because ofc you do. Also when you think about the characters in fighting games you'd realize there really isn't a homogenous look as opposed to a this is just how humans look. Most of the popular fighters are still like... a fraction of the total amount that exist. The only thing that can break the mold of the fighters looking the same to someone with your opinion is to make the characters non human.
@@Altares_V bruh tf you talking about especially in the last parts They just appreciate that there are different body types here, they weren't complaining that "characters looks the same because of their muscles"
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 wasn't a big deal but "fighting games have an issue of making nearly every male fighter built like a JoJo Part 1-3 character.." is simply incorrect and as some trivia it was fist of the north star that popularized that physique. but tee off king
Sajam: Here's a list of changes requested by the community for the 1st Balance Patch. Capcom Devs Away from Sajam and the public eyes: *crumples up list and hurls it in the trash.* 😆
I didn't like Ed in the previous game at all, just felt really boring to me. They did such a good job with him in 6, actually pretty hyped to pick him up this time around!
@@myyoutubeaccount4167 yeah steve is a boxer character from tekken. back in the day street fighter and tekken had a collab game which was basically a street fighter with characters from both franchises. They reused some moves/ideas from steve. I like it though since the character was real cool it’s a shame he has to go.
@@shingrandfather Yea I know about Steve (he was a fun character to me in the short period of time I played T7), I just wasn’t aware of his SFxT iteration, or how it influenced Ed here. I wish the game were available on modern consoles. My favorite T7 character was Jin and I’d like to see how he compares to his T7 iteration in 2D.
People saw Ed as the reason Dudley never made it into SF5, and he also fell in line with the Blonde Fighter 5 memes, so hating him was all too easy. He never got a fair chance.
I really wanted to main Ed ever since his lore relationship to M.Bison and Balrog. I was so excited at the concept at a Psycho Powered Boxer moving into SFV (so much that I wrote out a hypothetical move list where his specials were a turn punch that was like psycho crusher) Then SFV happened and he’s like the worst parts of both his lineage, having kickboxer style moves, and his’s weird young commander look. But his simple inputs is what made me drop him. I need motions man, and SF6 FIXED IT ALL! Let’s Go!!!
Even outside of his awful V design, Ed’s moveset was kind of lackluster in presentation and was more of a half hearted attempt in making a psycho power boxer that sort of missed the mark in what it’s trying to do. His 6 moveset suits him much more, is distinct instead of generic, and his moves are more cohesive to the theme he’s going for.
Bro he literally has the same move set the only things that changed are that his kicks became punches, he gained motions, and he can cancel out of his snatcher into his old vskill.
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 No? Almost all of his normals are changed, a few of his specials (Psycho Rising/Splash) alongside some parts of his Trigger 2 are gone, his playstyle is also fundamentally different than the previous one since V Ed heavily relied on a basic strike throw game with not much in neutral outside of pressing buttons, making him rather boring to play.
If the balance patch after a YEAR doesn't shake up the game like an earthquake I think people are just going to be exhausted. Not waiting all this time for a handful of changes, I'll just dip.
Ultimately just depends where the weight goes: he's pretty clearly bulkier on his upper body where when I was 138 at 6'3-6'4 a few years back my ribs were digging into my lungs since weight tends to go to my thighs.
@@pastorofmuppets9346my brother is 6 foot and he's 120, he does rock climbing a lot and looks a bit less buff than that but he's extremelly shredded, its definetely possible
@bigjc5546 shredded sure but i bet hes still skinny. I just said you wont look like ed specifically. He got some mass even if not as much as the other sf males
We need to nerf Manon. We feel her anti-air game is too strong thus being able to keep rush down characters out too easily. Additionally, we will be removing all forms of invulnerability from her Renverse to make it easier for projectile characters to properly punish this oppressive move. We also took away her parry to bring her in line with the strength of the rest of the cast.
I do agree that it's a little nutty that he's keeping the same imagery of the organization that he's fighting against. I know he's the leader of "Neo Shadoloo" (not exactly helping the comparison) but you'd think he'd be against waving his enemy's flag all the time. I'm probably going to be a Costume 2 boy if I play him.
In the story, Ed is an experimental vessel for M.Bison, the former dictator of an organization called Shadaloo. Shadaloo is intentionally given some parallels to Nazi iconography, as Street Fighter is a series built on un-subtlety and Bison was meant to be a clear-cut villain (even though he's from an unspecified nation). Ed was abducted young and brought into this organization as a prisoner to inject him with Bison's unique Psycho Power. Ed, however, wants nothing to do with Bison or the goals of Shadaloo, and instead uses its iconography as a mockery via his new organization, "Neo Shadaloo". As opposed to a terrorist cell with world conquest aims, Ed's organization seeks to do good and rescue victims of Shadaloo's exploits. He's reclaiming the old colors/symbols and trying to remove Shadaloo's legacy on the world.
M. Bison, being a 90s villain, definitely takes inspiration from Nazi iconography in the same way the Empire in Star Wars did, and I'm sure other popular media I can't recall right away. Shadaloo's logo is the skull with wings. Ed forms Neo Shadaloo in direct opposition to Shadaloo, and doesn't wear the same logo; his is a modified version and looks like a full eagle (owl? Some blocky bird thing). He wears the Shadaloo logo on his alternate outfit, which was his outfit from when he was under the tutelage of Balrog who was a leading member in Shadaloo.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 The two are similar enough that I think my mind just glossed over it. Vaguely round thing with wings in a configuration like the shadoloo icon, in a place where I *expect* a shadoloo icon? Better not look any closer than that. It is an owl, though. Never noticed that.
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I swear I’ve been an Ed main since he debuted in 3rd Strike!
This hás to be bait
@@deeznutscragmiar6968nah dude he's fr he's 3rd strike Ed is dangerous 😆
Got to be trollin secret dudley main 😂😂
Ah yes, Dudl-Ed, my SF3 main.
Jokes on you, I've been an ED main since the days of Street Fighter 1 and he was hidden secret playable character in that game 😎
7:23 Capcom, it's been way too hard to make a tier list for this game, everyone is so close together. Could you please buff the high tiers and nerf the low tiers? Thank you.
As someone who got into fighting games with Strive and SF6, and who doesn't have any interest in branching out into older games yet, a part of me feels legitimately disappointed that there aren't any outright bad characters anymore. I never got to experience shit like Eleven
@@budgetcommander4849 you mean Tweleve (Twelve) yeah? Eleven was the random select free dlc character from sfv
Also fightcade is an option, you can still play these older fighting games, although I get that you mean being around at the time when the fg was relevant/recent.
Although it’s important to note that fighting game metas developed a lot slower back then than they did now, we wouldn’t necessarily know the absolute top tiers or low tiers.
Taking 3s as an example, both Yun Genei-jin and Urien (phone autocorrected to “autism” there) Aegis Reflector were relatively late developments to 3s’s meta, as in at minimum 6 years after the game launched… for the US. Iirc Japan had Urien sa3 stuff known earlier and I’m definitely going to misremember some timeframes since my memory’s shite but point is that fighting games progressed slowly (Sajam has an old vid on this actually).
The reason I mention this fact is if you were around for those old games, you wouldn’t really know the whole deal about every character. It’d be more likely you had a local guy who had a mean ass Yang or Ibuki than you knowing the absolute top 2 (sa2 Chun and sa3 Yang) with the absolute bottom 2 (sa2 Sean and sa3 Tweleve, using their worst supers here for reference, you wouldn’t actually use these).
Even then 3s actually has a pretty even roster in some aspects with characters like Hugo and Q still being threatening (ironically they’re both grapplers) and even Tweleve and Sean aren’t unplayable (there’s like at least one top JP Tweleve and Sean is mostly cripplingly outclassed but he’s still. A shoto. Just a shite one).
If you want a real true bottom tier look at Vampire Savior’s Anakaris. Bro can’t even pushblock in a game where pushblock is _really_ important and his guard cancel is punishable on hit so the overall nothing character just loses if you interact with him at all. His moves are also just overall really bad iirc.
Anyway yeah fighting games are cool, and the old shit is definitely really interesting.
Reminds me of a comment from back in a 2011 thread for UMvC3 patch notes: "The problem with Capcom's approach to patching is they use a dartboard featuring pictures of only low tier characters"
7:40 thats exactly how i felt reading "leo had trouble opening up opponents" when they buffed backturn K
"Oh and let him dash through the opponent too"
I can't wait to see his colors. Im sure he'll have some real sick looking stuff for his jacket
Yeah I’m excited to see the pink color for his alt so I can play Little Mac
@@brettdallman3885SAME
Between Dee Jay and Ed, Street Fighter 6 has been giving unloved characters glow ups.
I'm honestly fine with whoever they announce for season 2, because it'll probably end up cool. Even Abigail
That kind of gives me hope for Lucia to return in SF6
And Luke!
@@ayers01 Lucia was really cool in 5 its just that all her shit was bad 😭
Im a proud dee jay main since i started playing in sf2, didn't like his usf4 version but the omega shit was amazing, glad he's considered very cool now, just like ed
Between this, JP and AKI's level 3s I feel like Vapcom just wants to make fatalities now. They're so brutal.
It's not even reserved to the "villains" either, you got Jamie CA and Cammy lvl 3.
@@sanicboi9187 and here I am wishing Juri's CA was actually brutal instead of catering to those foot fetishists.
@@sanicboi9187idk bro i think zangief has the worst one, bro makes a crater and you're the meteor
@@sanicboi9187 Cammy's at least somewhat makes sense, because she's military and ex-shadaloo. But Jamie's comes a little bit out of nowhere, he's normally a pretty lightheaded dude. I guess extensive drinking would do that 😂
Most people will probably use his outfit 2 for obvious reasons but I have to say his hand and finger animations with the base outfit are gorgeous.
What obvious reasons? Base outfit isn't even that bad...
@@crosslinezero3572 yeah i dont get it either. The only bad part about his design is the hair and he still has it for his outfit 2 lol
@@crosslinezero3572 The only personal gripe I have is that shirtless + jacket is a weird blend for a look. I know a few characters who've made it work though (Majima Goro).
I want a mod that gives him a shirt. 😂
nah it's a classic boxer or wrestler look imo @@leithaziz2716
I don't have much to say about Ed (in terms of boxers, I have other preferences), but I do want to compliment Capcom for giving him a bit more of a slim physique than the average body-type of the cast in the game.
I'm all for moving away from homogenous looks and fighting games have an issue of making nearly every male fighter built like a JoJo Part 1-3 character.
I think they've been good about making the characters very physically distinct from each other here. Designs have been great all around imo
I mean fist of the north star popularized it. Also it isn't farfetched every female fighter is either child or a women with very toned assets. The pinnacle of physique is part of the fantasy and I bet you still know who every male fighter is based on their design because ofc you do. Also when you think about the characters in fighting games you'd realize there really isn't a homogenous look as opposed to a this is just how humans look. Most of the popular fighters are still like... a fraction of the total amount that exist. The only thing that can break the mold of the fighters looking the same to someone with your opinion is to make the characters non human.
@@Altares_V bruh tf you talking about especially in the last parts
They just appreciate that there are different body types here, they weren't complaining that "characters looks the same because of their muscles"
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 wasn't a big deal but "fighting games have an issue of making nearly every male fighter built like a JoJo Part 1-3 character.." is simply incorrect and as some trivia it was fist of the north star that popularized that physique. but tee off king
@@Altares_V Nobody cares which series popularized muscular physique or whatever, that's not the point of discission here.
Really looking forward to the patch just being “we’ve heard the community and removed all scaling from perfect parry. “
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The punching bag super is so friggin cool
Its funny because literally the only thing added into his SF6 kit is the flicker cancels. Everything else was in 5.
Sajam: Here's a list of changes requested by the community for the 1st Balance Patch.
Capcom Devs Away from Sajam and the public eyes: *crumples up list and hurls it in the trash.*
😆
He's got mist finer lol
More like Yamazaki from KOF/Fatal Fury Snake Tamer.
I didn't like Ed in the previous game at all, just felt really boring to me. They did such a good job with him in 6, actually pretty hyped to pick him up this time around!
He reminds me of Dudley in this trailer. Can’t complain though…I love playing Dud
he’s actually just sf x tekken steve fox
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Gonna have to look into that then lol
@@myyoutubeaccount4167 yeah steve is a boxer character from tekken. back in the day street fighter and tekken had a collab game which was basically a street fighter with characters from both franchises. They reused some moves/ideas from steve. I like it though since the character was real cool it’s a shame he has to go.
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Yea I know about Steve (he was a fun character to me in the short period of time I played T7), I just wasn’t aware of his SFxT iteration, or how it influenced Ed here.
I wish the game were available on modern consoles. My favorite T7 character was Jin and I’d like to see how he compares to his T7 iteration in 2D.
Edward Psychohands looks sick atpRtsd
People saw Ed as the reason Dudley never made it into SF5, and he also fell in line with the Blonde Fighter 5 memes, so hating him was all too easy.
He never got a fair chance.
I really wanted to main Ed ever since his lore relationship to M.Bison and Balrog. I was so excited at the concept at a Psycho Powered Boxer moving into SFV (so much that I wrote out a hypothetical move list where his specials were a turn punch that was like psycho crusher)
Then SFV happened and he’s like the worst parts of both his lineage, having kickboxer style moves, and his’s weird young commander look. But his simple inputs is what made me drop him.
I need motions man, and SF6 FIXED IT ALL! Let’s Go!!!
Capturing and then turning the opponent into a punching bag is pretty sick
I love how capcom was like we're gonna make this mf so cool youll have no choice but to like him
For once it was capcom that said "I can fix him"
I think it’s funny since to me it seems like Ed was a second try at what Abel was supposed to be, but then he still needed a glow up in the next game.
I imagine the Snatcher will have extra damage scaling, but still looks good.
funny seeing sajam trying to control his inner mickey mouse voice
Even outside of his awful V design, Ed’s moveset was kind of lackluster in presentation and was more of a half hearted attempt in making a psycho power boxer that sort of missed the mark in what it’s trying to do. His 6 moveset suits him much more, is distinct instead of generic, and his moves are more cohesive to the theme he’s going for.
Bro he literally has the same move set the only things that changed are that his kicks became punches, he gained motions, and he can cancel out of his snatcher into his old vskill.
@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 No? Almost all of his normals are changed, a few of his specials (Psycho Rising/Splash) alongside some parts of his Trigger 2 are gone, his playstyle is also fundamentally different than the previous one since V Ed heavily relied on a basic strike throw game with not much in neutral outside of pressing buttons, making him rather boring to play.
If the balance patch after a YEAR doesn't shake up the game like an earthquake I think people are just going to be exhausted. Not waiting all this time for a handful of changes, I'll just dip.
Did he not realize that the rap was in German? No it's not the same rapper.
ngl he looks kinda cracked
would rather have this guy than Steve in tekken rn LMAO
I'm 6'0' 130 pounds and I work out pretty regularly ed's physique is pretty realistic considering the art style.
True and it irks me that Ryu and Ken is somehow lighter than Ed despite these two having a much bulkier build than Ed
You wont look anywhere near ed at 130 lol esp at that height. Unless you got some insane insertions thats a stick figure build
Ultimately just depends where the weight goes: he's pretty clearly bulkier on his upper body where when I was 138 at 6'3-6'4 a few years back my ribs were digging into my lungs since weight tends to go to my thighs.
@@pastorofmuppets9346my brother is 6 foot and he's 120, he does rock climbing a lot and looks a bit less buff than that but he's extremelly shredded, its definetely possible
@bigjc5546 shredded sure but i bet hes still skinny. I just said you wont look like ed specifically. He got some mass even if not as much as the other sf males
Hopefully people ease off of him, but what am I kidding they want.
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We need to nerf Manon. We feel her anti-air game is too strong thus being able to keep rush down characters out too easily.
Additionally, we will be removing all forms of invulnerability from her Renverse to make it easier for projectile characters to properly punish this oppressive move.
We also took away her parry to bring her in line with the strength of the rest of the cast.
His gameplay looks cooler but somehow he looks and acts even lamer
But why does ed look like a neo nazi? With the lightning bolts and skull symbol?
I do agree that it's a little nutty that he's keeping the same imagery of the organization that he's fighting against. I know he's the leader of "Neo Shadoloo" (not exactly helping the comparison) but you'd think he'd be against waving his enemy's flag all the time. I'm probably going to be a Costume 2 boy if I play him.
In the story, Ed is an experimental vessel for M.Bison, the former dictator of an organization called Shadaloo. Shadaloo is intentionally given some parallels to Nazi iconography, as Street Fighter is a series built on un-subtlety and Bison was meant to be a clear-cut villain (even though he's from an unspecified nation). Ed was abducted young and brought into this organization as a prisoner to inject him with Bison's unique Psycho Power.
Ed, however, wants nothing to do with Bison or the goals of Shadaloo, and instead uses its iconography as a mockery via his new organization, "Neo Shadaloo". As opposed to a terrorist cell with world conquest aims, Ed's organization seeks to do good and rescue victims of Shadaloo's exploits. He's reclaiming the old colors/symbols and trying to remove Shadaloo's legacy on the world.
M. Bison, being a 90s villain, definitely takes inspiration from Nazi iconography in the same way the Empire in Star Wars did, and I'm sure other popular media I can't recall right away. Shadaloo's logo is the skull with wings. Ed forms Neo Shadaloo in direct opposition to Shadaloo, and doesn't wear the same logo; his is a modified version and looks like a full eagle (owl? Some blocky bird thing).
He wears the Shadaloo logo on his alternate outfit, which was his outfit from when he was under the tutelage of Balrog who was a leading member in Shadaloo.
@@kevingriffith6011 Isn't his symbol differemt from actual Shadaloo? Ed has the owl while Shadaloo has the skull
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 The two are similar enough that I think my mind just glossed over it. Vaguely round thing with wings in a configuration like the shadoloo icon, in a place where I *expect* a shadoloo icon? Better not look any closer than that.
It is an owl, though. Never noticed that.
Looks like steves flicker stance from sfxt.