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cant wait to see this video x) hope the weapon would be tweaked nicely, and get out the hand of the LA (yeah that my personal opinion dont bonk me to hard guys xd)
Cami, just run with aerolite and you will find out that having no magazine wouldn't make it great anyway.... And as far as i can see the whole point of this gun is exist without magazine reloading mechanics. So they would change only arms and/or ammo types (and definitely iron sights cause its not x1,35 its rather x3,4). With aerolite this thing works quite stable and even underperforming with similar semi-auto close comparisons. This underperform is exactly difference needed for other semi-autos to excel this thing while they have bullets to spare. So you underperform in initial burst but you kinda catch up with consistency which is given by big ammo pool... Also the scope options lack some different crosshair types cause this yellow cross imo not too good and its everywhere on all scope options...
Honestly I just hate NS equipment in general. It just depletes the uniqueness of the factions. Secondly since you mentioned scout rifles the TR,NC,and VS scout rifles could use an overhaul as they are objectively inferior to NSO scout rifles.
What should we do to even more improve new player experience? I know, let's exclusively give a weapon what have high damage, projectile velocity higher than a god damn tank, splash damage, and perfect hip fire accuracy to: 1. Light Assault who specialise in hitting players from unexpected angles (roofs, walls), and its more effective than Heavy Assault against vehicles thanks to C4 and broken Rocket Pistol. 2. Infiltrator who's already is broken with his cloak ability and people complaining about this class for years and is one of the reasons, why new player are abandoning this game. Its looks like the Devs are intentionally trolling they playerbase.
You bring up a serious point. A crossbow, and a faction-specific max unit are really the only viable area of denial options in the game currently...meanwhile tanks and fighting vehicles and freaking BOMBERS have absolutely no ability to serve that function
And, I mean, think about this: They didn't even give a penalty to range or speed of the "arrow" of this thing when you take Splitter Bolts. Y'know, bolts so large there's multiple of them. The other previous crossbow, when you took explosive bolts which could damage any armor vehicle in the game... they have significantly less range and drop like bowling balls. They didn't even do that here. It's laughable, if it wasn't so bad.
In all of my time in Planetside 2 i think there never was a gun that had that much of an impact on my gameplay as that thing. Its either you use it and laugh your ass off (or play infil to not get peppered from everywhere), or you´re just getting farmed. Even inside of buildings you arent safe of that thing. And the worst part is that they attracted new players with their NPE update, just to scare them away again with the crossbow (kinda fitting for spooktober now that i think of it).
@@theetacticalpossum2769 Im just baffled by the fact that they didnt disable the crossbow till the fix, or at least removed the attatchments. Would be an easy short term solution, but i guess selling bundles might be the reason they dont.
It amazes me that it released in this state to be honest, and I am glad it is getting fixed right quick. I can only hope that we aim to allow for more rigorous testing cycles in the future.
As a new player, who has used your videos to learn the game and encourage my friends to play with me I must say. I was not prepared to scream “they fly now” like it’s battlefront 2 every 5 seconds
we're not allowed to have a rotary grenade launcher that's actually useful but we can have a laser accurate crossbow that basically functions as a better version of the rotary grenade launcher #buffthethumper
Have watched Netflix instead of playing. Simply not fun standing in cover and having no time to react because there is multiple orbital bombers laying waste on your position
As someone who just started playing a week ago (from time posted) and with about 40hrs in the game so far, my expert opinion on this is to agree with everything you said.
I hope you both stay with us, it was really dumb of the devs to drop this weapon right after an update to make the early game better. Best of luck to you guys on planetside
This being the absolute uncontested best weapon in the entire game for literally rewarding you for lobotomizing yourself and mindlessly spamming this thing literally just makes this game unplayable. Stuff like this hurts when the devs decide that they know what's best for the player on Live. This isn't the test server. You cannot get away with crap like this without thinking about how the community as a whole will take it.
@@CAMIKAZE78 Naw, its a great direction and tells you alot about how the development team is so detached from reality and don't even play their game! At least back then, you had SOME talented developers that ACTUALLY played the game... this team by far? It only proves to me that they have NO IDEA of how this game is being played AT ALL. Why should I, a veteran of this game SINCE Planetside 2 Beta, continue to pay for something that has been overlooked so much? This movement is AWAY from the precepts of what Planetside made it great to begin with. But hey, I'm just an old salty veteran :P. Don't mind me, I'm just speaking from my mind!
9:19 chimera not only lack a MBT ability but a passive and defensive unique slot and before anyone say chimera passive are the wheels to climb things gotta remember magrider can hover and have a magburber passive to help futher climbing..
A long range, high damage, perfect accuracy hipfire weapon with no bloom or recoil is genuinely insane to give to LA, even ignoring the mess that is fracture rounds. It's like getting bodyshot by someone with a bolt action camped in a Hossin tree, except there's nothing stopping them from making continuous perfect accuracy followup shots, nothing stopping them from continuously moving around as they fire, and also they can be literally anywhere at any time. The nerf to the lightweight arms' hipfire bonus is absolutely necessary to keep the thing from being incredibly toxic even if fracture rounds were to be absolutely gutted by nerfs.
Hate A2G? Be THE A2G I rarely play and my LA loadout lack implant and other jet levels. But just by having lvl 2 drifter and fracture crossbow, i can now fulfill my A2G dream. The results are just hilarious, you either bombard enemies or being constantly bombarded
After I was hit by this crossbow, I tried it in the VR, and then I realized I could not use this weapon out of principle, for the same reasons Kami just talked about. This wknd was such a mess, I've never been so farmed in my life. Thanks for the analysis, as always!
On the plus side I've gotten really good at shooting people out of the air. It's kind of fun, it's like skeet shooting. Me and my buddy were doing the drifter stuff last night and he got shot out of the air by a colossus main cannon (the giant laser one) lol talk about overkill.
5:00 nice overhand grip, how exceedingly gangsta. You could clearly dual-wield it with the mini-crossbow. "I got these things from Midgard. I even named them: Hunter and Seeker" -Wrel
Infantry above a certain height should be able to be locked on by AA rocket launchers when flying like this. Would give the new players some target practice.
Probably they'll stop LA's access to this weapon and give it to engies and medics. Also give it separate magazines. They tested a lot of mechanics in one weapon. Maybe they don't trust the testing server ? Or wanted some controversy to attract more people. The worst part of the weapon is that it doesn't show the projectiles correctly and the impact direction is relative to where the bolt landed. So you have no idea who shoots at you, especially with the explosive bolt. The speed of the bolt is also quite high. It's an all-in-one weapon, kinda a troll did it.
I think it’s a problem but I don’t feel like it’s the biggest, there are multiple occasions where I can see them or I’ve even spawned knowing where they were, yet couldn’t deal with them with anything ranging from a smg to a sniper. Which almost forces players that don’t want to die to them to pick a Load out for the soul purpose of what I call “flyswatting” and as a new player I can get a few snipes on them or break their armor but rarely nailing a headshot or getting off a rechamber before they hit me 2-3 times
Oh if I had this as a medic or a engi I'd be loving my life! I think Infil can keep it, Its not like they dont have 1 hit kill knives and insta snipes already, they are a perfect gimmick class imo
I think it can be nerfed rather than removing access - slower projectiles, more trajectory drop-off, give it a single round magazine with a short reload after every shot, reduce the splash or remove explosive bolts. I agree that Engineers should have it too. I think Engineers should also have sniper rifles, though.
@@Hamstertron Yeah, nerfing various parts is good , but even so an LA on top of a tower with explosive bolts is a pain for the enemy troops. Probably the explosive bolt should do only knockback if the character is an LA.
There is another game-breaking part about the Seeker that was not addressed either by Wrel or this video: The muzzle velocity and bullet drop. The Seeker actually deals less direct damage than the Hunter QCX and lose effectiveness at range sooner too - Hunter QCX stays at 650 dmg before 35m, Seeker stays at 600 dmg before 8m. What actually made the Seeker so abusable by jetpack bois are the muzzle velocity comparable to an average pistol (it's just over the Underboss, in fact) and a bullet drop degree that can actually break suspension of disbelief. You have here a crossbow that propels bolts by the power of mechanical compound force, guided by an exposed rail, and yet its bolts drop just like bullets propelled by tiny explosions, guided inside narrow straight barrels. It makes no sense! It should drops really fast like the Hunter QCX bolts.
I still think an interesting way to go about its magazine is to have it a heat based weapon, with a 3 shot overheat, forcing you to be more acurate or risk overheating the gun. Would also give a reasson for the new coolent implant effect they added.
Haha, the Chimeras special could be a time bomb like the faction max. It could be like a small orbital, where it's more likely to toss and flip vehicles than outright destroy them. Could see that being fun to use. Edit: And yes, I agree the crossbow is a turd slinger of chimptastic proportions.
Imagine a new player coming in and seeing everyone using this and seal clubbing while they are stuck with stock weapons. Its basically pay to win, which is really an affront to PS2 as its the least pay 2 win f2p game i played.
Pay to win ? you can get the weapon completely free like anyother weapon, the bolt too. nothing for it is locked behind paywall except the variant of it. And seal clubbing ?? that is a constant thing that happens. when i started this game i got killed so many times by EVERYTHING . if your a new player your going to die . ALOT . the seeker does not change that or mean people are targeting new players.
@@cmf2nmMWX9qy Oh i agree on the AC-130 part. ITs annoying as fuck but now pepople are popping em from the sky when they do which is nice., personaly i drop a freaking turret on a clif and hunt the bastards down., Would help alot more if people would focus the aircraft they are dropping from\
I came back 2 days ago and hopped in vehicles (I play vehicles) and it was dead as normal but just felt like normal PS2 pop issues I always have... well today my friend and I chose to try the NSO Dervish and I did a little infantry to farm some BR and Certs... This weapon ruined the fun of every engagement I had right from the start. I went to the VR and pulled it out, put on the splash arrows, and started shooting. Then I pressed R... then I pressed it again... then I looked at my magazine. Oh No. How did anyone think this was ok? I thought FOR SURE! there was at least a 3 bolt limit considering it was a 3 splash kill. NOPE! 40 or 80 rounds of pure suppression power capable of halting a push or clearing a room all on its own. Ive suffered a lot of stupid changes (no hot seat repairs now? really?) as a vehicle player but my god this takes the cake... Game has gone downhill since Wrel got hired on for who knows what reason and I see the team at DBG are still struggling with basic concept ideas and their implications :(
I'd like to point out that a lot of test players will report stuff, however a lot of non tester groups will wait and use any means to get "Meta breaking" equipment that hit the live server, they will mess with everything just to achieve there personal goals. The Goal for a lot of those kind of players is fast and reliable captures so they can grind certs and other things at there pace. Some of these are small groups, others can be clan sized. I had a whole 6 man firing squad hammering down a objective and we didn't win till we pushed 11 max suits down there throats all because 2 engineers throw ammo on that squad and parked it on a severely advantageous position. I actually am waiting on the nerf personally and that's showing a player count drop instantly. I don't find it fun dealing with 3+ of these artillery X-bows camping spawn positions and the such with the mobility and stealth of the class in question. I've only recently came back, after an unfortunate loss of my email to a hacker and most of my game accounts being taken I finally started over a month ago, I logged in and along with close to 30 people we basically got spawn camped by people who went onto a roof and didn't even bother to play the objective as they just obliterated our manpower at will. I don't think a "New player" will tolerate it when other games have a severely big curve of not being spawn camped .4 seconds into existence Love the videos and your honesty wins me over on the pace cause you want to see the game community thrive and enjoy the game together, not flood toxic stupidity down every hallway, hats off to you good Camikaze78, may your aim be true once more and you capture your positions quickly!
Nerfing anything except what needs to be nerfed Remove the damn "no reload" thing and make it chamber like pump shotgun, and then it can even have normal headshot multiplier.
@@CAMIKAZE78 I think its time for the development team to simply refund all of the monies back or certs and take it out of the game permanently speaking. There's no sense in making changes to that weapon.
I auraxed this with in a few days while it was broken however.. I neglected the Halloween directive and now I have to finish that last directive with a crossbow that takes 2 head shots and 3/4 shots body and have to deal with the target dying to someone else before I land the finishing blow.. Personally they should get rid of Fracture bolts all together, change the ammo to 5 loaded and 35 ammo and make Aerolite bolts 1 shot kill by headshot and give it the behaviour of the Daimyo and change split bots to split on impact so it fires in random directions.
The whole weapon just needs yeeting from Auraxis. If they are adamant on keeping the weapon in the game then yeah - remove LA access to it, get rid of fracture rounds completely and give it a small magazine. The weapon is totally busted, the game had been unplayable this weekend, man.
I can see giving it a magazine or a heat mechanic, But Removing it from LA? when EVERY OTHER CLASS has a long range weapon.. its a bit unfair to the LA's dont you think? i mean fuck.... Infils can get into high places too if they are determined enough, i deal with it all the time. And the fracture bolts serve a purpose as well. Do they need to be nerfed? beyond a doubt they do. but removing them is foolish as they give the LA a way to handle clumps of people or the ability to flush some one out of cover which is quite useful. But the radius of the explosion on the bolt is way to big for my liking, and the fact i can be 300 meteres out from a target and still 2 tap them with direct shots is ... kinda assinine . I refuse to be an ac-130 on pure respect for other players I play as a more mobile long range. Getting into high spots or good flanks andd focusing down high priority targets The bolts also do have several counters. Ordenance dampeners, canopy sheilds, ahrdlight barriers all make the explosive bots weaker, the shield and barrier just completely negate its usefulness till you get a better vantage point and im sure a fix will come to make flak armor reduce its damage too
@@arytisskaldaka7963 there's a reason why LA doesn't have a range weapon, their mobility allows for easy gap close and angles that no other class has reliable access too. That plus a long range weapon would be stupid on the light assault and the crossbow is the prime example of why.
@@arytisskaldaka7963 why should light assaults be able to deal with clumps of people in the first place? C4 is fine as it’s a limited supply. And why *should* LA be given a long range weapon!? They don’t need it, it’s not their role.
Even acknowledging the fracture rounds, the biggest issue with this weapon, is that LAs have access. They shouldn't have long-range options. Not with their ability to EASILY access safe, out of the way locations. Fracture bolts need to be nerfed. I think overall, the weapon itself is mostly fine. It's not unlike the infils semi-snipers. But you have to be near an engineer or sacrifice an implant for ammo printer to really use it as ammobelt doesn't affect it at all.
I can't see how they let this thing go live, the launch of ZOE MAXes wasn't quite this bad. The projectile velocity is 380m/s most SMGs have a velocity of 360m/s (the other crossbow has a velocity of 150m/s). The Fracture bolts increase the total damage from 600 to 700 and at max falloff of 450 to 550 (meaning it still 2 shots). All on a "battle rifle" that LA can shoot with perfect accuracy while airborne. Higby warned giving any such of weapon to LAs. Personally I think giving snipers to Infils was also a mistake but a weapon this OP is on a whole new level.
This applies until snipers get used to all the free kills floating around. I think its pretty crazy to see like 10 drifter light assaults landing on a base now.
I agree about 4 to 6 round magazine (I mean its technically larger Hunter CQX) and same as already mentioned small crossbow Seeker should have same stile rechanbering Or....maybe (if we want to have one large ammo pool) we can reload the weapon after every shot (like real crossbows)
Tried playing Planetside this weekend after hearing about the new weapon, only to get spawncamped by a platoon of players using these bloody things. No matter what I did, I couldn’t get a few feet out of the spawn shield before I was pelted with explosive arrows. So now my question is, what was Wrel smoking when he greenlighted this, and where can I get some? Cause this is a disaster to rival the likes of CS:GO’s R8 Wild West fiasco
Its probably from both Wrel and the development team. There is a huge disconnect between the reality of Planetside and its playerbase vs the devs. Seriously speaking, this tells me its probably time to call it quits cause this example is loudly screaming that they have 0 clue on what Planetside is all about. Its traditions from the very first Planetside up until now has been changed so much that the original formula for it, is practically a totally different game than the first one. Should NOT call this Planetside 2.
@@jimmybon9314 I think it's moreso that Wrel hasn't really played the game as much as he used to. He used to have so many good ideas for balance, I highly doubt that would change, unless he was unable to enjoy it like he used to. Either way, he should've seen this coming. Every change goes through him before it gets sent to live, so something's up
@@wildmonkeycar Well given the fact that he hasn't even played for a really long time does tells me that his detective skills have fallen off of a cliff and it shows how poorly implemented it is. He use to analyze this from a perspective of the player and as each year have gone by, he's slowly lost A LOT of what makes Planetside or even FPS games great. This is a testament of how great the original Planetside, NOT Planetside 2, was and still surviving after its beginnings in 2003. And also tells the creativity and the genius behind it all. Planetside 2? Hotfixes,patches, and more problems afterwards, that kind of coding is just PALES in comparison to this current team with Wrel. Wrel is NOT a developer, he's more akin to being a Excel Spreadsheet guy THAN coding or DEVELOPING tools. That is NOT his expertise and yet he's the LEAD developer.
I think it needs to be balance if it's gonna stay available for light assault or you know they could just remove it like the did everything else they didnt like
I am glad I'm not the only one who think it needs a major overhaul. I think it would be better to take all the special bolts away and limit it to infiltrators only, giving it 1 shot head shot kill.
Came back after a while, got farmed like crazy with some constant small explosion... after I learned about the crossbow AoE spam I decided to give it some more time before coming back!
Sadly i missed out on this but it sounds like the usas12 with explosive rounds on BF3. I'm using it now and it can still pack some punch but wouldn't use it much for a mass battle.
It may just be me, but it feels like the game has had no direction for a very long time, random updates at random times with no structure, I.E outfit wars. I was one of the lucky 1% of the community that actually got to play in both seasons of outfit wars, but I have vocally been against it, the game needs new content desperately that ALL players get to access, the nso update was the first bit of new content that still has so many restrictions, campaigns are completely useless if you dont do it during the season. It really makes me sad to see the game go down this route, after 2000 hours this weekend basically has killed my drive to play it and the worst thing is it feels like the devs don't listen at all, the game needs new content, the NPE update was a start, but still no fixes on core issues, I.E solo deployment still is annoying and broken the respawn system still doesn't work as intended. The changes to Nanoweave makes it even more difficult for new players and now this gun basically kills any infantry gameplay. Do the devs play the game? Sometimes it feels like they dont.
@@RelixIxiler After I missed the one that gave the infil thing I never bothered with any of the others lol, but yeah i know a few people that lost their items just another perfectly tested DBG system XD
Some of what they released in the last year or so was planned and partially build but never finished because devs were stolen for other projects (like Arena), so it was about clearing out that backlog of promised content and getting some easy wins. Outfit Wars makes sense if you look at Twitch views as a form of free advertising. When there's a devstream, Planetside 2 enters the top 20 topics on Twitch. By making a competitive format and working with people to stream it, it generates view numbers and hype. All the individual streamers benefit from the increased numbers and the game as a whole gets into the top 20 again. I wouldn't be surprised if the next outfit wars features dedicated caster tools allowing them to follow people, see a stats overlay, heatmaps for killzones and maybe even a short replay feature.
@@Hamstertron I think the idea on paper works fine, but having first hand experience with both cycles, 1v1v1 as a format in general is not functional for a tournament style event and i feel like especially cycle 1 absolutely did more harm to the actual player base than it helped, sure it generated twitch views maybe some but how many of those where actually new players? And then how many of those new players will understand that its some sort of tournament, Outfitwars in general is completely against the spirit of planetside, it doesn't translate to live servers at all other than the fact that its a 1v1v1. My experience in both matches, take the GSLD VS BWAE VS salt/help what ever the tr faction was, we only won that because the two sweat outfits where bashing each other and then we swooped in and stole points because we where basically left alone, that translates into the stream and doesn''t make for good content imo. Also to add on, imagine what they could of done with the dev time for OW if they instead used it to finish that new continent they have been probably working on for years now they always keep mentioning. And based on the steam player charts, from the start of Outfitwars to this point cycle one had a small uptick in players when bastions and such came out, but then from that point on its been a steady decline, and around when cycle 2, it saw basically no increase in players.
@@AdverageTH-camViewer Yes I'm not saying it was a successful strategy because any players that became interested in the game would have had to have contended with the old tutorial and then being dumped into a game where mauler cannons would prevent them from leaving the spawn. Personally I think that it's nice they want to cater to the competitive player niche because we definitely have competitive players, but I think their desire to make en e-sport out of it was well ahead of their ability to execute that e-sport properly. Look at the no-shows, look at the lack of tools for the casters - all they had was the free camera, they couldn't even snap to players and follow them. I think 1v1 outfit matches with more tools for casters could be a good e-sport, but the 1v1v1 format is just a glorified world event right now. The freeform construction-driven conflict in the shattered warpgate area was more fun.
crossbow that you can spam? yeah that wasn't designed properly, crossbows were known for being more easier to aim and shoot but a pain in the ass to reload.
Its stuff like this where I refuse to give any more money to the devs. They love to screw things over, make things broken [like this], keep messing up or making things worse for other parts of gameplay like armor where armor cant really help ANY base capture besides EXTREMALLY selective bases, or if your a magrider then your fine.
Agreed. I've been a Planetman since 2005, and this xbow was the last straw for me. I held on. I waited. I hoped. And every time I turned around the devs shat some new aborted monstrosity on the servers. I'm done. I unsubbed, deleted my characters and uninstalled. I won't be back. Which is a pity... 'cause most of my bestest gaming memories have been on Auraxis.
@@figmentoyi5462 Ah an oldie from the past :P. Been there since 2004 and feel the same as you do. And I have done the same as well, uninstalling this game and letting it go and moving on to others...
the weapon itself isnt the issue, the fracture bolts are the biggest issue . A simple nerf to the range that the bolts can go or to the radious of the explosion. Or just damage fall off for the explosion would make everyone alot happier. The bolt itself serves a useful niche for the lights. Able to spam down a choke or use for supression on a area . I mean yeah its bullshit that right now i can 2 tap some one from almost 300 meters out with little bullet drop and heavy accurace but still... the weapon IS fun to use even if the fracture bolts need HEAVY tweaking
Remove the explosive round for a piece round, easy fix. The team really did the game a scumbag move. They released a op weapon and then charged $35 for a variant of it. Scumbag move for sure
@@WitchDoctor87 The variant is just a skin on the weapon as far as can see. And getting rid of the explosive bolt would be dumb. The sidearm crossbow ALL classes can ptu on has a incindy bolt and a explosive one. Only diffrence on it is that both come with a substantial range drop for the weapon. but both of the bolts are still quite strong. as i said, easiest way to fix the issue, Reduce the range the bolt can be fired from and still hit or give the bolt a daamge fall off on the explosion
I love how they dropped an update meant to welcome new players and give them a better chance, but literally like a few days later boom, weapon vets can use to mercilessly kill new players over and over. Real smart
I like facing the Seeker, with out the bomb bolts... Also I'm so confused why it's not on Engi but it's on light assault. That makes no sense. Engi already has access to some almost scout rifles as well as rifles with Nade lunchers built in leading to infinite nade spam anyways. Even if the bomb portion is made unusable, why on the LA? Infil is ok, Hell I think Medic and Engi should get it. There is no real long range choice for the LA for the reason of it makes some points and hossin unplayable because at lest with other classes you have a rough area where to expect them to be. With LAs, they can be in any tree with no set up. It's really crazy it ever got on LA. If it got only pushed out with Infil I feel like it wouldn't be as big of an issue.
As it stands, on the Engineer it would have an unlimited ammo supply and would never need to stop shooting as the Engineer has it's own pocket ammo pack. That would be a broken combo sadly.
@@CAMIKAZE78 I understand the unlimited ammo supply is and issue on paper but last night I was running the bow with the Ammo implant and never ran out. So on any class you have unlimited ammo anyways with a single implant. When I agree the LA is way to far and no form of the Bow on the LA will ever work. I don't see the down side of being on an Engi. I also said in my post Engis have unlimited Nades using a nade add on to a rifle. I get what you're saying but the Engi has close to what the Bow is already. With the main down side that "makes this broken" You can do with a single implant on any other class.
I think its time for the planetside 2's development team to take a good hard look at weapons creation.. perhaps actually dredging up the Planetside 1's weaponry in there?
What they could do to keep the game running: 1)Give the automatic weapons general buffs in terms of damage, range and velocity together with deciding on CoF or horizontal recoil. 2)Make classes dependent on equipment - no cloaking (sniper rifles;motion sensors), no heavy shield(improved AV launchers), switching self healing from the medic ability to the medic tool. 3)Vehicle balance - Harassers being jeeps, not tanks and aircrafts actually killable with AA weapons The game suffers from inexperience in designing a shooter. The new stuff (NSO weapons, the hopefully nerfed crossbow, the newest NC guns) is close to the sweetspot of the shooter style Planetside aims to be, the problem is that all the older stuff isn't updated to compete
they need to make it one tap the head but every other stat on it should be awful. I have been throwing around the idea of making it kind of like the railgun from BF4 (without the one-shot to the body ofc) or perhaps a rail jack that is more suited to closer engagements.
Actually, the first thing I thought when I saw summit playing planetside 2 wasn't "oh man, Summit is gonna bring so many people to the game for the first time!'"; its that feeling of "oh shit, he is gonna think the game is garbage now because of an update that came out too fast.
Came back (playing ps2) from being gone for a couple months. I get killed by this weapon at another command post across the map. All you see is a red little man jumping up and down
A semi auto stronger UBGL? Well shit, it's a good thing I decided to (at least temporarily) quit PS2 before I tore my eyeballs out of my skull But yeah... Wrel wantedth, Wrel shoveth and the most infuriating thing is when he's all like "Don't worry guys. It's a part of a greater, long term vision". You know, the one which he never told us as of now (I don't count "make it better" as a concrete vision). It's like we're going on a trip, it's past midnight, we're in the middle of the fucking forest, no road, bumping our heads against the seats and roof and he's behind the wheel, going "Trust me. It's going to be amazing"
Don't worry, the fix will be giving it to heavies as a secondary. Probably also add an aoe burn damage to heavies while they are at it because those pesky knifers ruin their k/d
TH-camr Wrel would have shoved his buttocks up his own feet compared to Dev. Wrel of 2021. But hey, this is what happens when you give the keys to a youtuber who has NO idea of what Planetside's original was all about.
This update was most certainly a Charlie Foxtrot. I am having the exact same experience as you with it. I'm having a blast using it, but am frustrated as hell because how quickly I die to it. It is most certainly broken, and IMHO should be temporarily removed from the game until it can be fixed (brought into line with the other weapons). It shouldn't be in the hands of Light assault either. Engineer, Medic for sure, but not LA. I'm not a fan of Cloaking and the state it's in ATM, so making Infils even more powerful is not on my list of things I'd like to see either.
In my opinion its even worse that while this is going on, Berserk implant just kinda sneaks past everyone and thus likely wont be getting balanced ANYTIME soon. Sure its a exceptional implant so not everyone has access to it right now and sure it might not sound that amazing, its just 50 health per second traded for taking 20% extra damage. Then you put the thing on a NC shield MAX and you suddenly have a constantly healing MAX that can hide and avoid taking damage.. as it is repairing itself. Yeah, just shoot down the shield first, a maxed out Aegis shield has 3000 health.. thats 1000 more than the MAX itself and dont play it too safe, every second it takes the MAX is gaining health and can decide at any moment to just blast your face off before pulling out the shield again. C4? Shield protects but you do good damage to it at least... unless the MAX is using Ordnance Armor?!(Shield has same resistance as the MAX, affected by the suit options). ....Then there is the whole other issue that the proposed nerfs to the Seeker doesnt seem to affect Splitbolts, the moment the explosive ones gets nerfed I predict a lot of people will start complaining about being 1 hit or 2 hit killed by Splitbolts. It makes the Seeker a weird mix of Bolty-Shotty-DMR with a 1 hit kill potential to around 30m which means pretty much within any building/room, this thing can 1 hit kill you or 2 tap you unless you are a HA with your overshield on.
giving the Light assault access to a reliable long range weapon for the first time is absolute cancer. WHY. Theres a reason they cant use scout and battle rifles.
I heard about a crossbow being added and thought "oh it's gonna be on the light assault cause it's probably super niche and trashy like the secondary one" and was okay with that. Honestly just making an upscaled pocket crossbow for the primary slot with better range would'a been the tits for me. Instead they added something that honestly just feels like the implemented it entirely with entirely busted stats for the sake of a quick-cash grab due to people wanting to get it quick and abuse it, even including the oh-so-fancy premium version of the weapon. I just came back to the game after a super long break so this hasn't been.. fun. And has very much turned me off of wanting to keep playing.
7:05 Amusingly, people did raise concerns about PTS Canis before it hit the live servers but you had folks defending it as well trying to bullshit the unstable ammo as "unusable" when cover is involved. So honestly, I don't think it would have made a difference.
The funniest part is that there's actually mechanisms of dealing with it but no one thinks cohesively. It basically says "Hey, someone keep a Hardlight Canopy just in case, preferably 2 if it's an outdoor engagement." People seethe because it's a new concept that interrupts their traditional, linear, FPS game and that's actually the reason I like it. The game has three dimensions for a reason, I'm all for adding extra verticality to potential engagements. There needs to be more venues for flanking a zerg and this weapon does that job more than exceptionally. But if I had to say one change? Just remove the ability of it fired from a LA *in the air.* That's pretty much it. That's where all the bitching and moaning generally surfaces.
New playstyles and verticality is all well and good, but when it is a weapon that is clearly a power creep weapon that is easy to pull, and acts as it's own force multiplier. I am all for new ways to play, but they can't legitimately break the flow and balance of the game.
@@CAMIKAZE78 Or perhaps these 'box rattlers' are exactly what an old game needs to spice up old meta and invoke new methods of thinking? I pulled a lot of infiltrators shooting down these flying bounty pinatas... We aren't even giving it a chance because it's 'easy'. Suppression weapons have a right to exist and have a fundamentally important role in this game, especially when it becomes such an enormous 96+ on all sides.
@@ivorymantis1026 I'm going to be honest, it doesn't require a lot of thinking to sit somewhere with an explosive crossbow that is more sustainable than an actual grenade launcher. When a weapon tops all of the other weapons in the game for total kills over a select period (the weapon scored over 200k kills, a close to 100k margin over any other weapon in the game at the time), you have a problem. This isn't a matter of hating something because it is fresh; the weapon is simply busted. Over-tuned. And detrimental to the gameplay.
@@bluelense7 actually ordnance armor didn't help against bolts, because it counts as small arms weapon. Flak armor of engineers didn't save them also. But Archer kill actually faster at close range. at long range need testing.
@@NA-if1lu at long range (over 200 meters) both this weapon needed around 14-16 seconds to kill max. Also where disadvantages of fractured bolts, they add +250 aoe damage and decrease direct damage bu 150. so direct and indirect damage just increase. This is how slug shots for heavy shotgun should look like.
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hope the weapon would be tweaked nicely, and get out the hand of the LA (yeah that my personal opinion dont bonk me to hard guys xd)
Cami, just run with aerolite and you will find out that having no magazine wouldn't make it great anyway.... And as far as i can see the whole point of this gun is exist without magazine reloading mechanics. So they would change only arms and/or ammo types (and definitely iron sights cause its not x1,35 its rather x3,4). With aerolite this thing works quite stable and even underperforming with similar semi-auto close comparisons. This underperform is exactly difference needed for other semi-autos to excel this thing while they have bullets to spare. So you underperform in initial burst but you kinda catch up with consistency which is given by big ammo pool... Also the scope options lack some different crosshair types cause this yellow cross imo not too good and its everywhere on all scope options...
Honestly I just hate NS equipment in general. It just depletes the uniqueness of the factions. Secondly since you mentioned scout rifles the TR,NC,and VS scout rifles could use an overhaul as they are objectively inferior to NSO scout rifles.
@@scifidude184 the only one underperformin are the auto scout rifles, the other are just fine plus they have the nade laucher.
Cami, how do we do feedback if we dont have acces to the forum? I tried several time to speak on the forum and its just not alowed.
All the wrelcopters flying around have been extremely beneficial for the new player experience
just got my friend into planetside, hes not playing it right now just bc of the crossbow. i like wrel but holy shit is this crossbow stupid as fuck
Amen to that, I hope they feel proud of themselves
What should we do to even more improve new player experience? I know, let's exclusively give a weapon what have high damage, projectile velocity higher than a god damn tank, splash damage, and perfect hip fire accuracy to:
1. Light Assault who specialise in hitting players from unexpected angles (roofs, walls), and its more effective than Heavy Assault against vehicles thanks to C4 and broken Rocket Pistol.
2. Infiltrator who's already is broken with his cloak ability and people complaining about this class for years and is one of the reasons, why new player are abandoning this game.
Its looks like the Devs are intentionally trolling they playerbase.
@@piotrek324 At least they're letting the new players know right off the bat they're nothing but cannon fodder.
@@piotrek324 totally agree, there are good reasons to be concerned for sure. Let's hope this fiasco changes the way they've been doing things lately.
tham moment when a crossbow has more area denial effectiveness and killing power than a rotary grenade launcher -_-
Or a tank for that matter, the reload on the crossbow is so fast
@@V43xV1CT15 Yeah it's literally non-existant
You bring up a serious point. A crossbow, and a faction-specific max unit are really the only viable area of denial options in the game currently...meanwhile tanks and fighting vehicles and freaking BOMBERS have absolutely no ability to serve that function
@@V43xV1CT15 hey man vanvolker here.... evolve or perish🤛🤣
And, I mean, think about this: They didn't even give a penalty to range or speed of the "arrow" of this thing when you take Splitter Bolts. Y'know, bolts so large there's multiple of them. The other previous crossbow, when you took explosive bolts which could damage any armor vehicle in the game... they have significantly less range and drop like bowling balls. They didn't even do that here. It's laughable, if it wasn't so bad.
How do you know, that an infantry weapon is totally OP?
When the A2G and HESH mains play infantry of course 😋
Why play an A2G vehicle when you can do it for no nanites, and be a smaller target? ;)
In all of my time in Planetside 2 i think there never was a gun that had that much of an impact on my gameplay as that thing. Its either you use it and laugh your ass off (or play infil to not get peppered from everywhere), or you´re just getting farmed. Even inside of buildings you arent safe of that thing. And the worst part is that they attracted new players with their NPE update, just to scare them away again with the crossbow (kinda fitting for spooktober now that i think of it).
The punisher was close with the infinite repair bug, but yeah, this put a new level of broken to PS2.
If the update doesn't fix the crossbow I'm uninstalling, and I just started playing lmao
@@theetacticalpossum2769 Im just baffled by the fact that they didnt disable the crossbow till the fix, or at least removed the attatchments. Would be an easy short term solution, but i guess selling bundles might be the reason they dont.
It amazes me that it released in this state to be honest, and I am glad it is getting fixed right quick. I can only hope that we aim to allow for more rigorous testing cycles in the future.
@@ChopSueyyy Yeah but then do you remember for how long original ZOE was abused and no action was taken?
How on earth did they make an infantry weapon do the same damage as the liberator zepher but with 3 times the splash radius. The Liberator suffers.
There's a pretty serious oversight at play here, no denying it. Fingers crossed this doesn't happen in the future.
Oh please. CAS never suffer. They bring suffering.
@@AimlessSavant Its gotta have a place , being out done by a bow right now haha
As a new player, who has used your videos to learn the game and encourage my friends to play with me I must say. I was not prepared to scream “they fly now” like it’s battlefront 2 every 5 seconds
we're not allowed to have a rotary grenade launcher that's actually useful but we can have a laser accurate crossbow that basically functions as a better version of the rotary grenade launcher
#buffthethumper
ehh the thumper IS useful but only if you get the ASP to get it along side your LMG.. otherwise it gimps you.
@@arytisskaldaka7963 that isn't a very good excuse...
This weapon literally ruined the game in the last days.
how to broke a balanced game with one weapon... good job devellopers, you're soo smart. -_-'
idk, it just gives drifter light assaults the capability of an esf. It's very op when you use it while bailing though.
Have watched Netflix instead of playing. Simply not fun standing in cover and having no time to react because there is multiple orbital bombers laying waste on your position
@@Zutraxi 100% with you my friend. I'll wait for the nerf patch this wednesday. Let's hope they realy nerf i instead of changing just a few things.
We can agree one that one mate, that much I know.
As someone who just started playing a week ago (from time posted) and with about 40hrs in the game so far, my expert opinion on this is to agree with everything you said.
Yeah... i've been playing 20ish days and its just not fun..
I hope you both stay with us, it was really dumb of the devs to drop this weapon right after an update to make the early game better. Best of luck to you guys on planetside
This being the absolute uncontested best weapon in the entire game for literally rewarding you for lobotomizing yourself and mindlessly spamming this thing literally just makes this game unplayable. Stuff like this hurts when the devs decide that they know what's best for the player on Live. This isn't the test server. You cannot get away with crap like this without thinking about how the community as a whole will take it.
Couldn't agree more mate, I am hoping this is a wakeup call in the long run because this stuff can't be allowed to happen in the long run.
@@CAMIKAZE78 Naw, its a great direction and tells you alot about how the development team is so detached from reality and don't even play their game! At least back then, you had SOME talented developers that ACTUALLY played the game... this team by far? It only proves to me that they have NO IDEA of how this game is being played AT ALL. Why should I, a veteran of this game SINCE Planetside 2 Beta, continue to pay for something that has been overlooked so much? This movement is AWAY from the precepts of what Planetside made it great to begin with. But hey, I'm just an old salty veteran :P. Don't mind me, I'm just speaking from my mind!
Thanks!
Thank you kindly mate, very kind!
Very well said Cami. That intro was perfect to show how OP this thing is especially with all the right attachments.
Thanks mate, appreciate it.
9:19 chimera not only lack a MBT ability but a passive and defensive unique slot and before anyone say chimera passive are the wheels to climb things gotta remember magrider can hover and have a magburber passive to help futher climbing..
Surely the Chimera ability is the four rumble seats. Four phoenix/striker/lancer/annihilators is nice.
It should feature something the others don't, but something not broken/useless.
A long range, high damage, perfect accuracy hipfire weapon with no bloom or recoil is genuinely insane to give to LA, even ignoring the mess that is fracture rounds. It's like getting bodyshot by someone with a bolt action camped in a Hossin tree, except there's nothing stopping them from making continuous perfect accuracy followup shots, nothing stopping them from continuously moving around as they fire, and also they can be literally anywhere at any time. The nerf to the lightweight arms' hipfire bonus is absolutely necessary to keep the thing from being incredibly toxic even if fracture rounds were to be absolutely gutted by nerfs.
Hate A2G?
Be THE A2G
I rarely play and my LA loadout lack implant and other jet levels. But just by having lvl 2 drifter and fracture crossbow, i can now fulfill my A2G dream.
The results are just hilarious, you either bombard enemies or being constantly bombarded
I've played more LA in the last couple days then I have in the last few years. It's just not my class, but when in Rome...
After I was hit by this crossbow, I tried it in the VR, and then I realized I could not use this weapon out of principle, for the same reasons Kami just talked about. This wknd was such a mess, I've never been so farmed in my life. Thanks for the analysis, as always!
Appreciate it mate.
At least now we have a mini-Bastion LAs that just float in the skies and rain down explosive bolts upon the infantry
I got hit by an explosion earlier and thought "Oh thank god, it is just a tank, not a LA with a crossbow" .... that's how you know its broken.
Why pull a Bastion when you can pull this thing?
@@CAMIKAZE78 TR had a full platoon of these guys dropped from galaxies. It felt like 4~5 bastions
On the plus side I've gotten really good at shooting people out of the air. It's kind of fun, it's like skeet shooting. Me and my buddy were doing the drifter stuff last night and he got shot out of the air by a colossus main cannon (the giant laser one) lol talk about overkill.
Perfectly reasonable response
Imagine if G2A launchers could lock onto LAs with active jets, would be lols.
@@PoisoningShadow671 that would be hilarious.
@@PoisoningShadow671 That would be fun. I don't even think it would be OP given that jets are usually only used in short bursts.
5:00 nice overhand grip, how exceedingly gangsta. You could clearly dual-wield it with the mini-crossbow.
"I got these things from Midgard. I even named them: Hunter and Seeker" -Wrel
Buff the cross bow
@@zakadams762 LOL! everybody is playing like Steve Vai on coke, it's crazy.
Infantry above a certain height should be able to be locked on by AA rocket launchers when flying like this. Would give the new players some target practice.
Probably they'll stop LA's access to this weapon and give it to engies and medics. Also give it separate magazines. They tested a lot of mechanics in one weapon. Maybe they don't trust the testing server ? Or wanted some controversy to attract more people.
The worst part of the weapon is that it doesn't show the projectiles correctly and the impact direction is relative to where the bolt landed. So you have no idea who shoots at you, especially with the explosive bolt. The speed of the bolt is also quite high. It's an all-in-one weapon, kinda a troll did it.
This! the Audio and damage indicator is my biggest problem with it.
I think it’s a problem but I don’t feel like it’s the biggest, there are multiple occasions where I can see them or I’ve even spawned knowing where they were, yet couldn’t deal with them with anything ranging from a smg to a sniper. Which almost forces players that don’t want to die to them to pick a Load out for the soul purpose of what I call “flyswatting” and as a new player I can get a few snipes on them or break their armor but rarely nailing a headshot or getting off a rechamber before they hit me 2-3 times
Oh if I had this as a medic or a engi I'd be loving my life! I think Infil can keep it, Its not like they dont have 1 hit kill knives and insta snipes already, they are a perfect gimmick class imo
I think it can be nerfed rather than removing access - slower projectiles, more trajectory drop-off, give it a single round magazine with a short reload after every shot, reduce the splash or remove explosive bolts. I agree that Engineers should have it too. I think Engineers should also have sniper rifles, though.
@@Hamstertron Yeah, nerfing various parts is good , but even so an LA on top of a tower with explosive bolts is a pain for the enemy troops. Probably the explosive bolt should do only knockback if the character is an LA.
New player experience OMEGALUL
There is another game-breaking part about the Seeker that was not addressed either by Wrel or this video: The muzzle velocity and bullet drop.
The Seeker actually deals less direct damage than the Hunter QCX and lose effectiveness at range sooner too - Hunter QCX stays at 650 dmg before 35m, Seeker stays at 600 dmg before 8m. What actually made the Seeker so abusable by jetpack bois are the muzzle velocity comparable to an average pistol (it's just over the Underboss, in fact) and a bullet drop degree that can actually break suspension of disbelief. You have here a crossbow that propels bolts by the power of mechanical compound force, guided by an exposed rail, and yet its bolts drop just like bullets propelled by tiny explosions, guided inside narrow straight barrels. It makes no sense! It should drops really fast like the Hunter QCX bolts.
I still think an interesting way to go about its magazine is to have it a heat based weapon, with a 3 shot overheat, forcing you to be more acurate or risk overheating the gun. Would also give a reasson for the new coolent implant effect they added.
This... this is the new player experience right now
If you keep making videos like this you might just end up on the dev team
Haha, the Chimeras special could be a time bomb like the faction max. It could be like a small orbital, where it's more likely to toss and flip vehicles than outright destroy them. Could see that being fun to use.
Edit: And yes, I agree the crossbow is a turd slinger of chimptastic proportions.
Have to admit, it reduced the time for light assault daily mission.
Damn right mate, grinded the hell out of those missions over the weekend.
Imagine a new player coming in and seeing everyone using this and seal clubbing while they are stuck with stock weapons. Its basically pay to win, which is really an affront to PS2 as its the least pay 2 win f2p game i played.
I agree the seal clubbing part, but not the p2w part... well sort of. Wrelcopters are easy to shoot down, given you spot them
@@Flubbred if they are directly above you, you can't aim at them since theres some limitation to the amount of degrees looking upward you can have
@@Flubbred i just dont play on hossin.
Pay to win ? you can get the weapon completely free like anyother weapon, the bolt too. nothing for it is locked behind paywall except the variant of it. And seal clubbing ?? that is a constant thing that happens. when i started this game i got killed so many times by EVERYTHING . if your a new player your going to die . ALOT . the seeker does not change that or mean people are targeting new players.
@@cmf2nmMWX9qy Oh i agree on the AC-130 part. ITs annoying as fuck but now pepople are popping em from the sky when they do which is nice., personaly i drop a freaking turret on a clif and hunt the bastards down., Would help alot more if people would focus the aircraft they are dropping from\
It's possible the share holders want to see more updates and are pushing for quicker releases.
Who is buying planetside2 stocks in 2021 lol
the suits should give you a bonus check
I came back 2 days ago and hopped in vehicles (I play vehicles) and it was dead as normal but just felt like normal PS2 pop issues I always have... well today my friend and I chose to try the NSO Dervish and I did a little infantry to farm some BR and Certs...
This weapon ruined the fun of every engagement I had right from the start. I went to the VR and pulled it out, put on the splash arrows, and started shooting.
Then I pressed R... then I pressed it again... then I looked at my magazine. Oh No. How did anyone think this was ok? I thought FOR SURE! there was at least a 3 bolt limit considering it was a 3 splash kill. NOPE! 40 or 80 rounds of pure suppression power capable of halting a push or clearing a room all on its own. Ive suffered a lot of stupid changes (no hot seat repairs now? really?) as a vehicle player but my god this takes the cake... Game has gone downhill since Wrel got hired on for who knows what reason and I see the team at DBG are still struggling with basic concept ideas and their implications :(
I'd like to point out that a lot of test players will report stuff, however a lot of non tester groups will wait and use any means to get "Meta breaking" equipment that hit the live server, they will mess with everything just to achieve there personal goals. The Goal for a lot of those kind of players is fast and reliable captures so they can grind certs and other things at there pace. Some of these are small groups, others can be clan sized. I had a whole 6 man firing squad hammering down a objective and we didn't win till we pushed 11 max suits down there throats all because 2 engineers throw ammo on that squad and parked it on a severely advantageous position.
I actually am waiting on the nerf personally and that's showing a player count drop instantly. I don't find it fun dealing with 3+ of these artillery X-bows camping spawn positions and the such with the mobility and stealth of the class in question. I've only recently came back, after an unfortunate loss of my email to a hacker and most of my game accounts being taken I finally started over a month ago, I logged in and along with close to 30 people we basically got spawn camped by people who went onto a roof and didn't even bother to play the objective as they just obliterated our manpower at will. I don't think a "New player" will tolerate it when other games have a severely big curve of not being spawn camped .4 seconds into existence
Love the videos and your honesty wins me over on the pace cause you want to see the game community thrive and enjoy the game together, not flood toxic stupidity down every hallway, hats off to you good Camikaze78, may your aim be true once more and you capture your positions quickly!
Nerfing anything except what needs to be nerfed
Remove the damn "no reload" thing and make it chamber like pump shotgun, and then it can even have normal headshot multiplier.
Last thing we need is a Light Assault being able to one shot people from anywhere on the map, so a hard disagree on that one sorry to say mate.
@@CAMIKAZE78 I think its time for the development team to simply refund all of the monies back or certs and take it out of the game permanently speaking. There's no sense in making changes to that weapon.
That’s the moment when being an infil main that uses long term range snipers comes in handy 1 head shot or 2 body shots do the job quite well
I auraxed this with in a few days while it was broken however.. I neglected the Halloween directive and now I have to finish that last directive with a crossbow that takes 2 head shots and 3/4 shots body and have to deal with the target dying to someone else before I land the finishing blow.. Personally they should get rid of Fracture bolts all together, change the ammo to 5 loaded and 35 ammo and make Aerolite bolts 1 shot kill by headshot and give it the behaviour of the Daimyo and change split bots to split on impact so it fires in random directions.
The whole weapon just needs yeeting from Auraxis.
If they are adamant on keeping the weapon in the game then yeah - remove LA access to it, get rid of fracture rounds completely and give it a small magazine.
The weapon is totally busted, the game had been unplayable this weekend, man.
I can see giving it a magazine or a heat mechanic, But Removing it from LA? when EVERY OTHER CLASS has a long range weapon.. its a bit unfair to the LA's dont you think? i mean fuck.... Infils can get into high places too if they are determined enough, i deal with it all the time. And the fracture bolts serve a purpose as well. Do they need to be nerfed? beyond a doubt they do. but removing them is foolish as they give the LA a way to handle clumps of people or the ability to flush some one out of cover which is quite useful. But the radius of the explosion on the bolt is way to big for my liking, and the fact i can be 300 meteres out from a target and still 2 tap them with direct shots is ... kinda assinine . I refuse to be an ac-130 on pure respect for other players I play as a more mobile long range. Getting into high spots or good flanks andd focusing down high priority targets The bolts also do have several counters. Ordenance dampeners, canopy sheilds, ahrdlight barriers all make the explosive bots weaker, the shield and barrier just completely negate its usefulness till you get a better vantage point and im sure a fix will come to make flak armor reduce its damage too
@@arytisskaldaka7963 there's a reason why LA doesn't have a range weapon, their mobility allows for easy gap close and angles that no other class has reliable access too. That plus a long range weapon would be stupid on the light assault and the crossbow is the prime example of why.
@@arytisskaldaka7963 why should light assaults be able to deal with clumps of people in the first place? C4 is fine as it’s a limited supply. And why *should* LA be given a long range weapon!? They don’t need it, it’s not their role.
Wrel blocked me when I told him to apologize.
did u tell him on twitter or something?
@@killobot2388 Yea
@@hugemclargetall oof what a noob move of him
Even acknowledging the fracture rounds, the biggest issue with this weapon, is that LAs have access. They shouldn't have long-range options. Not with their ability to EASILY access safe, out of the way locations.
Fracture bolts need to be nerfed.
I think overall, the weapon itself is mostly fine. It's not unlike the infils semi-snipers. But you have to be near an engineer or sacrifice an implant for ammo printer to really use it as ammobelt doesn't affect it at all.
Just remove the fracture bolts.... i think that solves most of the problems
I wait until the Halloween event is over before playing again.
Let's see what nerfs it receives tomorrow, first.
I can't see how they let this thing go live, the launch of ZOE MAXes wasn't quite this bad.
The projectile velocity is 380m/s most SMGs have a velocity of 360m/s (the other crossbow has a velocity of 150m/s). The Fracture bolts increase the total damage from 600 to 700 and at max falloff of 450 to 550 (meaning it still 2 shots). All on a "battle rifle" that LA can shoot with perfect accuracy while airborne.
Higby warned giving any such of weapon to LAs. Personally I think giving snipers to Infils was also a mistake but a weapon this OP is on a whole new level.
4:59
wait.. wat.. how? is the camera launching projectiles?
That intro was pure GOLD 🤣
Thank you kindly sir!
This applies until snipers get used to all the free kills floating around. I think its pretty crazy to see like 10 drifter light assaults landing on a base now.
I agree about 4 to 6 round magazine (I mean its technically larger Hunter CQX) and same as already mentioned small crossbow Seeker should have same stile rechanbering
Or....maybe (if we want to have one large ammo pool) we can reload the weapon after every shot (like real crossbows)
Tried playing Planetside this weekend after hearing about the new weapon, only to get spawncamped by a platoon of players using these bloody things. No matter what I did, I couldn’t get a few feet out of the spawn shield before I was pelted with explosive arrows.
So now my question is, what was Wrel smoking when he greenlighted this, and where can I get some? Cause this is a disaster to rival the likes of CS:GO’s R8 Wild West fiasco
Its probably from both Wrel and the development team. There is a huge disconnect between the reality of Planetside and its playerbase vs the devs. Seriously speaking, this tells me its probably time to call it quits cause this example is loudly screaming that they have 0 clue on what Planetside is all about. Its traditions from the very first Planetside up until now has been changed so much that the original formula for it, is practically a totally different game than the first one. Should NOT call this Planetside 2.
@@jimmybon9314 I think it's moreso that Wrel hasn't really played the game as much as he used to. He used to have so many good ideas for balance, I highly doubt that would change, unless he was unable to enjoy it like he used to.
Either way, he should've seen this coming. Every change goes through him before it gets sent to live, so something's up
@@wildmonkeycar Well given the fact that he hasn't even played for a really long time does tells me that his detective skills have fallen off of a cliff and it shows how poorly implemented it is. He use to analyze this from a perspective of the player and as each year have gone by, he's slowly lost A LOT of what makes Planetside or even FPS games great.
This is a testament of how great the original Planetside, NOT Planetside 2, was and still surviving after its beginnings in 2003. And also tells the creativity and the genius behind it all. Planetside 2? Hotfixes,patches, and more problems afterwards, that kind of coding is just PALES in comparison to this current team with Wrel. Wrel is NOT a developer, he's more akin to being a Excel Spreadsheet guy THAN coding or DEVELOPING tools. That is NOT his expertise and yet he's the LEAD developer.
So they finally gave light assaults a sniper rifle
Cami, you can use firestorm with the crossbow for better fire rate and no penalty since COF is all 0.
So let me get this straight. They nerf Phalanx vehicle turrets to not one shot infantry on a direct hit, but then they introduce this? Dafuq? lmao
Yeah the turret is literally stationary and has less than 180 degree rotation
I think it needs to be balance if it's gonna stay available for light assault or you know they could just remove it like the did everything else they didnt like
I am glad I'm not the only one who think it needs a major overhaul. I think it would be better to take all the special bolts away and limit it to infiltrators only, giving it 1 shot head shot kill.
Came back after a while, got farmed like crazy with some constant small explosion... after I learned about the crossbow AoE spam I decided to give it some more time before coming back!
Sadly i missed out on this but it sounds like the usas12 with explosive rounds on BF3. I'm using it now and it can still pack some punch but wouldn't use it much for a mass battle.
Don't worry they'll probably add a sleigh transport that has a stupid large ram box that 1 hit kills maxes.
Size of a flash
How do I get that much FOV? In-game max is too narrow and I can't see
Now when I get shot I don't look in front of me, I look above me
It may just be me, but it feels like the game has had no direction for a very long time, random updates at random times with no structure, I.E outfit wars. I was one of the lucky 1% of the community that actually got to play in both seasons of outfit wars, but I have vocally been against it, the game needs new content desperately that ALL players get to access, the nso update was the first bit of new content that still has so many restrictions, campaigns are completely useless if you dont do it during the season. It really makes me sad to see the game go down this route, after 2000 hours this weekend basically has killed my drive to play it and the worst thing is it feels like the devs don't listen at all, the game needs new content, the NPE update was a start, but still no fixes on core issues, I.E solo deployment still is annoying and broken the respawn system still doesn't work as intended. The changes to Nanoweave makes it even more difficult for new players and now this gun basically kills any infantry gameplay. Do the devs play the game? Sometimes it feels like they dont.
Do you still have your items from the campaigns ? As NSO I lost them at the end of the campaign so even playing it was meaningless D:
@@RelixIxiler After I missed the one that gave the infil thing I never bothered with any of the others lol, but yeah i know a few people that lost their items just another perfectly tested DBG system XD
Some of what they released in the last year or so was planned and partially build but never finished because devs were stolen for other projects (like Arena), so it was about clearing out that backlog of promised content and getting some easy wins.
Outfit Wars makes sense if you look at Twitch views as a form of free advertising. When there's a devstream, Planetside 2 enters the top 20 topics on Twitch. By making a competitive format and working with people to stream it, it generates view numbers and hype. All the individual streamers benefit from the increased numbers and the game as a whole gets into the top 20 again. I wouldn't be surprised if the next outfit wars features dedicated caster tools allowing them to follow people, see a stats overlay, heatmaps for killzones and maybe even a short replay feature.
@@Hamstertron I think the idea on paper works fine, but having first hand experience with both cycles, 1v1v1 as a format in general is not functional for a tournament style event and i feel like especially cycle 1 absolutely did more harm to the actual player base than it helped, sure it generated twitch views maybe some but how many of those where actually new players? And then how many of those new players will understand that its some sort of tournament, Outfitwars in general is completely against the spirit of planetside, it doesn't translate to live servers at all other than the fact that its a 1v1v1. My experience in both matches, take the GSLD VS BWAE VS salt/help what ever the tr faction was, we only won that because the two sweat outfits where bashing each other and then we swooped in and stole points because we where basically left alone, that translates into the stream and doesn''t make for good content imo.
Also to add on, imagine what they could of done with the dev time for OW if they instead used it to finish that new continent they have been probably working on for years now they always keep mentioning.
And based on the steam player charts, from the start of Outfitwars to this point cycle one had a small uptick in players when bastions and such came out, but then from that point on its been a steady decline, and around when cycle 2, it saw basically no increase in players.
@@AdverageTH-camViewer Yes I'm not saying it was a successful strategy because any players that became interested in the game would have had to have contended with the old tutorial and then being dumped into a game where mauler cannons would prevent them from leaving the spawn. Personally I think that it's nice they want to cater to the competitive player niche because we definitely have competitive players, but I think their desire to make en e-sport out of it was well ahead of their ability to execute that e-sport properly. Look at the no-shows, look at the lack of tools for the casters - all they had was the free camera, they couldn't even snap to players and follow them. I think 1v1 outfit matches with more tools for casters could be a good e-sport, but the 1v1v1 format is just a glorified world event right now. The freeform construction-driven conflict in the shattered warpgate area was more fun.
crossbow that you can spam? yeah that wasn't designed properly, crossbows were known for being more easier to aim and shoot but a pain in the ass to reload.
Its stuff like this where I refuse to give any more money to the devs. They love to screw things over, make things broken [like this], keep messing up or making things worse for other parts of gameplay like armor where armor cant really help ANY base capture besides EXTREMALLY selective bases, or if your a magrider then your fine.
Agreed. I've been a Planetman since 2005, and this xbow was the last straw for me. I held on. I waited. I hoped. And every time I turned around the devs shat some new aborted monstrosity on the servers. I'm done. I unsubbed, deleted my characters and uninstalled. I won't be back. Which is a pity... 'cause most of my bestest gaming memories have been on Auraxis.
@@figmentoyi5462 Ah an oldie from the past :P. Been there since 2004 and feel the same as you do. And I have done the same as well, uninstalling this game and letting it go and moving on to others...
the weapon itself isnt the issue, the fracture bolts are the biggest issue . A simple nerf to the range that the bolts can go or to the radious of the explosion. Or just damage fall off for the explosion would make everyone alot happier. The bolt itself serves a useful niche for the lights. Able to spam down a choke or use for supression on a area . I mean yeah its bullshit that right now i can 2 tap some one from almost 300 meters out with little bullet drop and heavy accurace but still... the weapon IS fun to use even if the fracture bolts need HEAVY tweaking
yes please dont nerf the weapon. the aerolite bolts are super fun as an infill looking for a sneaky option
Remove the explosive round for a piece round, easy fix. The team really did the game a scumbag move. They released a op weapon and then charged $35 for a variant of it. Scumbag move for sure
@@WitchDoctor87 The variant is just a skin on the weapon as far as can see. And getting rid of the explosive bolt would be dumb. The sidearm crossbow ALL classes can ptu on has a incindy bolt and a explosive one. Only diffrence on it is that both come with a substantial range drop for the weapon. but both of the bolts are still quite strong. as i said, easiest way to fix the issue, Reduce the range the bolt can be fired from and still hit or give the bolt a daamge fall off on the explosion
I love how they dropped an update meant to welcome new players and give them a better chance, but literally like a few days later boom, weapon vets can use to mercilessly kill new players over and over. Real smart
I like facing the Seeker, with out the bomb bolts...
Also I'm so confused why it's not on Engi but it's on light assault. That makes no sense. Engi already has access to some almost scout rifles as well as rifles with Nade lunchers built in leading to infinite nade spam anyways.
Even if the bomb portion is made unusable, why on the LA? Infil is ok, Hell I think Medic and Engi should get it. There is no real long range choice for the LA for the reason of it makes some points and hossin unplayable because at lest with other classes you have a rough area where to expect them to be. With LAs, they can be in any tree with no set up. It's really crazy it ever got on LA. If it got only pushed out with Infil I feel like it wouldn't be as big of an issue.
As it stands, on the Engineer it would have an unlimited ammo supply and would never need to stop shooting as the Engineer has it's own pocket ammo pack. That would be a broken combo sadly.
@@CAMIKAZE78 I understand the unlimited ammo supply is and issue on paper but last night I was running the bow with the Ammo implant and never ran out. So on any class you have unlimited ammo anyways with a single implant.
When I agree the LA is way to far and no form of the Bow on the LA will ever work. I don't see the down side of being on an Engi.
I also said in my post Engis have unlimited Nades using a nade add on to a rifle. I get what you're saying but the Engi has close to what the Bow is already. With the main down side that "makes this broken" You can do with a single implant on any other class.
I think its time for the planetside 2's development team to take a good hard look at weapons creation.. perhaps actually dredging up the Planetside 1's weaponry in there?
What they could do to keep the game running:
1)Give the automatic weapons general buffs in terms of damage, range and velocity together with deciding on CoF or horizontal recoil.
2)Make classes dependent on equipment - no cloaking (sniper rifles;motion sensors), no heavy shield(improved AV launchers), switching self healing from the medic ability to the medic tool.
3)Vehicle balance - Harassers being jeeps, not tanks and aircrafts actually killable with AA weapons
The game suffers from inexperience in designing a shooter. The new stuff (NSO weapons, the hopefully nerfed crossbow, the newest NC guns) is close to the sweetspot of the shooter style Planetside aims to be, the problem is that all the older stuff isn't updated to compete
that opening had me in stitches
I like the Seeker as a scout weapon for LA. It's a shame the frag rounds exist
"never stop shooting" laughs in lasher
I brought 5 friends to planetside a couple days before the patch, those 5 friends left.
What kind of crossbow doesn't have a long reload, and high bullet/arrow drop?
Those are the first two nerfes I would add to this weapon.
they need to make it one tap the head but every other stat on it should be awful. I have been throwing around the idea of making it kind of like the railgun from BF4 (without the one-shot to the body ofc) or perhaps a rail jack that is more suited to closer engagements.
Actually, the first thing I thought when I saw summit playing planetside 2 wasn't "oh man, Summit is gonna bring so many people to the game for the first time!'"; its that feeling of "oh shit, he is gonna think the game is garbage now because of an update that came out too fast.
Came back (playing ps2) from being gone for a couple months. I get killed by this weapon at another command post across the map. All you see is a red little man jumping up and down
Q: is the weapon obtained thru the event (missions) or do u just buy it with certs?
you can buy with certs which is why everyone and their mother has it.
@@jonnysilia5740 and here I thought new war thunder content was painful
They literally forgot Aerial Combatant exists because no one uses it.
IT's Hawken all over again lol.
"do you want to be the first proper artillary?"
Scorpion and Thumper crying in the corner.
Don't forget the buzzard. Oh wait, it's that forgettable.
A semi auto stronger UBGL? Well shit, it's a good thing I decided to (at least temporarily) quit PS2 before I tore my eyeballs out of my skull
But yeah... Wrel wantedth, Wrel shoveth and the most infuriating thing is when he's all like "Don't worry guys. It's a part of a greater, long term vision". You know, the one which he never told us as of now (I don't count "make it better" as a concrete vision). It's like we're going on a trip, it's past midnight, we're in the middle of the fucking forest, no road, bumping our heads against the seats and roof and he's behind the wheel, going "Trust me. It's going to be amazing"
Don't worry, the fix will be giving it to heavies as a secondary. Probably also add an aoe burn damage to heavies while they are at it because those pesky knifers ruin their k/d
TH-camr Wrel would have shoved his buttocks up his own feet compared to Dev. Wrel of 2021. But hey, this is what happens when you give the keys to a youtuber who has NO idea of what Planetside's original was all about.
This update was most certainly a Charlie Foxtrot. I am having the exact same experience as you with it. I'm having a blast using it, but am frustrated as hell because how quickly I die to it. It is most certainly broken, and IMHO should be temporarily removed from the game until it can be fixed (brought into line with the other weapons). It shouldn't be in the hands of Light assault either. Engineer, Medic for sure, but not LA. I'm not a fan of Cloaking and the state it's in ATM, so making Infils even more powerful is not on my list of things I'd like to see either.
In my opinion its even worse that while this is going on, Berserk implant just kinda sneaks past everyone and thus likely wont be getting balanced ANYTIME soon. Sure its a exceptional implant so not everyone has access to it right now and sure it might not sound that amazing, its just 50 health per second traded for taking 20% extra damage.
Then you put the thing on a NC shield MAX and you suddenly have a constantly healing MAX that can hide and avoid taking damage.. as it is repairing itself. Yeah, just shoot down the shield first, a maxed out Aegis shield has 3000 health.. thats 1000 more than the MAX itself and dont play it too safe, every second it takes the MAX is gaining health and can decide at any moment to just blast your face off before pulling out the shield again. C4? Shield protects but you do good damage to it at least... unless the MAX is using Ordnance Armor?!(Shield has same resistance as the MAX, affected by the suit options).
....Then there is the whole other issue that the proposed nerfs to the Seeker doesnt seem to affect Splitbolts, the moment the explosive ones gets nerfed I predict a lot of people will start complaining about being 1 hit or 2 hit killed by Splitbolts. It makes the Seeker a weird mix of Bolty-Shotty-DMR with a 1 hit kill potential to around 30m which means pretty much within any building/room, this thing can 1 hit kill you or 2 tap you unless you are a HA with your overshield on.
About 20% of all deaths this last week has been to the crossbow. Hopefully they don't let something like this happened again but who knows
giving the Light assault access to a reliable long range weapon for the first time is absolute cancer.
WHY. Theres a reason they cant use scout and battle rifles.
Name of song after you jump out of aircraft? anyone?
BFG Division - DOOM 2016 Soundtrack.
Highly Recommend the entire soundtrack.
Doom Eternal wasnt nearly as good music wise.
@@0NightRage Thank you.
Must be nice having the Halloween update.
_So_ much discussion and tweaking went into making the thumper balanced, and then with no warning this thing comes out and it’s a straight upgrade?
This is like when the R8 came out in Csgo lol
so mini bastions and stealth ninjas with micro nukes are now a thing
I heard about a crossbow being added and thought "oh it's gonna be on the light assault cause it's probably super niche and trashy like the secondary one" and was okay with that. Honestly just making an upscaled pocket crossbow for the primary slot with better range would'a been the tits for me. Instead they added something that honestly just feels like the implemented it entirely with entirely busted stats for the sake of a quick-cash grab due to people wanting to get it quick and abuse it, even including the oh-so-fancy premium version of the weapon. I just came back to the game after a super long break so this hasn't been.. fun. And has very much turned me off of wanting to keep playing.
it feels like the developer added things to make it more fun to playtest without actually playtesting the damn thing.
7:05 Amusingly, people did raise concerns about PTS Canis before it hit the live servers but you had folks defending it as well trying to bullshit the unstable ammo as "unusable" when cover is involved. So honestly, I don't think it would have made a difference.
They gave crossbow what they couldn't give Butcher - all ammo in a single mag
I'll be honest ,I prefer LAs with long ranged options compared to infs (That max visible distance is bad for a ohk potential sniper)
Why not just had fracture rounds to the current crossbow?
I straight up did not want to play the game for several days after the crossbow was released.
I haven’t played since the game added this. Not playing is the only thing I can think of to express my disdain.
Certs or A7 though?
Edit: us console peeps don't have this yet.
You weren't kidding when you said you were working on this in shoctor's stream last night lol
I work quickly.
The funniest part is that there's actually mechanisms of dealing with it but no one thinks cohesively. It basically says "Hey, someone keep a Hardlight Canopy just in case, preferably 2 if it's an outdoor engagement."
People seethe because it's a new concept that interrupts their traditional, linear, FPS game and that's actually the reason I like it. The game has three dimensions for a reason, I'm all for adding extra verticality to potential engagements. There needs to be more venues for flanking a zerg and this weapon does that job more than exceptionally.
But if I had to say one change? Just remove the ability of it fired from a LA *in the air.* That's pretty much it. That's where all the bitching and moaning generally surfaces.
New playstyles and verticality is all well and good, but when it is a weapon that is clearly a power creep weapon that is easy to pull, and acts as it's own force multiplier. I am all for new ways to play, but they can't legitimately break the flow and balance of the game.
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Or perhaps these 'box rattlers' are exactly what an old game needs to spice up old meta and invoke new methods of thinking? I pulled a lot of infiltrators shooting down these flying bounty pinatas...
We aren't even giving it a chance because it's 'easy'. Suppression weapons have a right to exist and have a fundamentally important role in this game, especially when it becomes such an enormous 96+ on all sides.
@@ivorymantis1026 I'm going to be honest, it doesn't require a lot of thinking to sit somewhere with an explosive crossbow that is more sustainable than an actual grenade launcher.
When a weapon tops all of the other weapons in the game for total kills over a select period (the weapon scored over 200k kills, a close to 100k margin over any other weapon in the game at the time), you have a problem. This isn't a matter of hating something because it is fresh; the weapon is simply busted. Over-tuned. And detrimental to the gameplay.
Isn't the main problem that it's on light assault? Any other class, and it would be way less broken, bar maybe engineer.
It's got to be taken away from light assault or I am out. No way I am sticking around just to be constantly farmed by this stupid bow.
Yeah, decided to return to the game after about 4 years with a couple friends and... this just killed any desire we had to keep going.
No no, its fine, we just need infantry lock-on rocket launchers!
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also this weapon destroyed MAX faster then antimaterial rifle specially designed against Max.
it WHAT?
@@exorias625 It doesn't.
The berserker implant with ordnance armor negates it.
@@bluelense7 actually ordnance armor didn't help against bolts, because it counts as small arms weapon. Flak armor of engineers didn't save them also.
But Archer kill actually faster at close range. at long range need testing.
@@NA-if1lu at long range (over 200 meters) both this weapon needed around 14-16 seconds to kill max.
Also where disadvantages of fractured bolts, they add +250 aoe damage and decrease direct damage bu 150. so direct and indirect damage just increase. This is how slug shots for heavy shotgun should look like.
opening track name??? \m/ dope meme