The Sopranos - Carmine Lupertazzi vs Carmine Jr - Like Father, Like Son?
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- Carmine Lupertazzi and Carmine Lupertazzi Junior - You can't talk about one without talking about the other. A closer look at these characters from The Sopranos, including some of the similarities and differences between Carmine Lupertazzi and Carmine Lupertazzi Jr.
A character analysis of both Carmines.
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This video contains spoilers from the HBO hit series The Sopranos.
This episode was narrated and produced by Geoffrey Ciani (aka - Rummy).
This episode was written by Christian Twiste and Geoffrey Ciani.
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When Carmine Jr. was describing his dream to Tony in the final season, I never had more respect for him until then. He knew he wasn't his father and he didn't want to spend the rest of his life trying to be him. He was his own man. And I believe Tony realized it and respected him more for that.
Well said, totally agree!
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Carmine Junior is a genius. The only guy who managed to be friends with everyone, and happy.
And out of trouble
@@JBrooksNYS and alive.
He was a mental midget so insecure he had to completely blow up the entire 2 families when his father gave 1 compliment to Tony.
And with 33 titles under his sub species
Agreed.!.!.!.!.!.!.!.!.!.!
“Phil never told us how much he served!” 😂😂😂😂😂
Phil was in prison? This is the first I'm hearing about this.
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@@starguy2718 😂😂😂😂
@@starguy2718 20 years
He did his time
Whereas Tony Didn’t
Comparison view point
He kept that very close to his chest.
"You're at the precipice, Tony, of an enormous crossroad." gets my every damn time.
It actually makes sense, I don't see an issue with how he worded it at all, it's just most don't say it like this, he's unique.
Very allegorical
@@casanova1613 No it doesn't make sense a precipice is the top of a mountain. The saying is "you're at the precipice" or "you're at a crossroads" very different statements.
@@casanova1613 like Quasimodo.
I particularly like "I have many films in my subspecies ".
The look on JT's face when he says this to him is beyond priceless!😆
Very propane Rummy, you’re at the precipice of an enormous crossroad.
Definitely in a stagmire.
Whatever happened there.
I knew the voice, but couldn't place it outside of boxing.
Whats crazy to me Is Dominic in the show and out the show lived past them , tony fucking siciro died at 79 and Dominic is 91 FUCKING YEARS OLD bro
@@infinite8885He had the making of a varsity athletes. Good genes, that was his strength
"I did 20 fucking years"
- Phil Leatardo, enraged at Johnny Sack's allocution
Ralph slept with Ginny?
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Again with the money??
@@femioyekan8184 there are miyons of dollas at stake
You have the immaculate ability of making the right references and jokes at the right times. Freakin hilarious, I could watch your videos for 20 fuckin years, not a peep.
My favorite Carmine Sr moment was when Paulie walked up to him & Carmine was like “who tf are you?” 🤣 Johnny Sac was filling Paulie’s head full of lies
He knew who he was he was just busting his balls bad😅
His father was hit by trolley
Carmine Junior was just smart enough to know that being a mafia boss was well outside his own league and that challenging the other contenders would only get himself killed. He knew when it was time to fold and walk away with what he got.
Hush troll😅
So far as I can tell, the Carmines never engage in the kinds of excesses that all the other mob figures do. It’s that level of self-control that keeps them alive and out of prison.
“What’s this the fuckin’ UN now?!?!?” 🤣🤣🤣
13:40 "No-one knows how long Phil was in the can for, because he never said." I nearly choked on my sunflower seed. :D
The Triumvirate idea was actually genius
I think his strategy was to act stupid so that he is never seen as a target or in anyone's way. He knew these men were savages who would wound up eating each other. He outsmarted everyone
the last words carmine heard ." git dat egg salad outta there!"
Considering the Carmines are the biggest high-profile characters who were never killed are never spent prison time I would say they're definitely smart regardless of what everybody says, Master manipulator's is up for debate but they are probably the smartest characters in terms of considering the lives they lead they end up with the best outcomes
It takes a wise man to play a fool, carmine fits this description by Shakespeare well.
“This fellow is wise enough to play the fool;
And to do that well craves a kind of wit:
He must observe their mood on whom he jests,
The quality of persons, and the time,
And, like the haggard, check at every feather
That comes before his eye. This is a practise
As full of labour as a wise man's art
For folly that he wisely shows is fit;
But wise men, folly-fall'n, quite taint their wit.”
― William Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
11:22 that scene was so serious in the show but it had me laugh out loud with how it was so calmly delivered like it meant nothing. I think this is the most important scene is determining whether he was doing it on purpose or not, because this was so well timed and just the perfect phrase to fuck everything up, so good that even though I didn't see him as some master manipulator, it had be thinking whether it was on purpose.
I think he was stupid but that he knew very well that these guys were super emotional and played to that. It doesn't take a genius to instigate, and since he was never 100% directly involved in the realm of the violence, he took his chances saying what he did
"I miss my Violet." 🤧
"What violin?!" 🎻
NAILED IT! The Lupertazzi's played the long game. The only one's to benefit from Phil & Tony being out of the way is Butchie and Lil' Carmine. They made it happen. Just like Lil' Carmine was gong to utilize Rusty, he found that in Butchie. Love how the video is crafted, making your points and then showing the clips to back it up.
Small detail...Phil did say he went away for 20 years.
Holy crap. Dozens of rewatches. I thought I heard every plausible theory. And not once did I consider that Johnny Sack could have poisoned Carmine Senior's egg salad (or had him ingest something that caused his stroke (similar to what happened to Hector Salamanca on Better Call Saul). And all the signs are there!
You really have a way of repeating well known lines from the show in a way that sounds like you just came up with it. Not sure how you do it but I’m impressed!
Thank you for that. Cheers!
I love the way carmine sr brushed Paulie off like he didn’t know him, made him feel stupid for runnin’ his jibbs
TLDR: AJ lacked guidance, that was his problem, along with small hands
"AJ wasn't as smart as Carmine jr", see that's where I disagree with most of what the fan base or even show would tell you, AJ wasn't stupid imo, he lacked guidance and interest in anything and that's why he was ultimately aimless in life, his parents spoiled and neglected him, and once he reached adulthood he was badly looking for a purpose in life. That's why he got so attached to Blanca, he even fully started to adopt her identity as Puerto Rican and acted like he was her son's father, he badly wanted somewhere to belong and dedicate himself to, but had no one to help him when it really should have been Tony's job. That's also why at the end he started to become obsessed with the big problems, foreign policies and conflict, he needed a purpose and instinctively sought out what looked the most important, when he starting actually becoming interested he seemed to have no problem sitting down and reading a book, learning, and understanding things, he quickly became knowledgeable on these subjects, point being, if Tony lived to Carmine's age I feel AJ would have turned out just like Carmine jr did, spoiled and handed things, and smarter than people take him for, like you said the show lowkey laid out that AJ was on the same path as Carmine jr, and we have no idea of what Carmine jr's life growing up was like, but I'd imagine it would be similar to AJ's.
Best show ever made. Period
Ik it really showed the mafia for what it really is, …… a bunch of low life hypocrites that can’t do a weeks honest work. 😂
I love it too, but breaking bad kicks it
@@lawrenceclifton38 sopranos is better then breaking bad
@@Dylandontplay I'm sorry homie, but that is objectively false. If you can pick out a weak season of a show, it must not have been perfect. Breaking bad has no weak seasons. It only improves. And like I said, I love them both, but one is superior. No disrespect
You explaining the implication of the Ginny Sack joke made me laugh out loud, not sure why. I think it was just the seriousness of how you explained the implication of a 95 pound mole being removed from her ass. Great video as always.
It's really uncanny how much the two actors favor each other.
Was there a sit-down with Borko, before this video was posted?
Carmine Jr. is a patient master strategist. Smarter than all. Always played the long game.
Respect.
I love how you included "whatever happened there "😂
This is the best video that I have seen devoted to this sub-species
It’s another interesting video Geoffrey! Congrats!
I always saw Lil’ Carmine’s story as one of a boss’s child whose life's purpose is to escape the business with the fruits of his ancestors success. They are arguably the most interesting stories of the genre (i.e. G2). In a sense - this is the completion of this version of the American Dream. Like a brutal battle at war, most families do not escape the business successfully so doing so is a victory - or happy ending.
Almost all who funnel into the business do not come from money and are driven by greed and ambition. Children of bosses come from the top stock in the game but that’s no guarantee they inherited the right genes, and even if they did, they weren’t forged by that same street background. Instead, they grew up with money and the privilege and opportunities it brings, confused as to their place in the world. This is the source of their tragedy.
They turn out in different ways. Some like Lil Carmine clearly have remnants of their father’s cunning, but not enough to take their place with the same competence. He, like Anthony, are hobbled from reaching their full potential by a confused sense that they are failing by not assuming their father’s position in the business, rather than realizing their generation that has a different purpose - to take the wealth derived from crime and transform it into a legitimate business so that their children can take a place in a higher class of society. That confusion is typically at the heart of their tragic stories, both is the arts and real life.
Remember what Vito- the super wise elder - wanted for Michael - Senator Corleone, Governor Corleone. But what was his conclusion - "just not enough time to get there." He should have said generations. That scene is one of the most iconic in the trilogy because it brushes up against the essence of what the story is about. G2 is about Michael’s confused struggle leading to his tragic ending - but the Corleone’s story has a happy ending - his son lil’ AV, survived to completely shed the criminal history and become a successful artist.
Lil Carmine’s story is the same type as Michael's, Anthony’s and Meadow’s tho with different levels of success. Interesting, it always takes at least one generation to climb to the top of the mountain, and always one to stumble/tumble down, and only the next can escape to the happy ending.
Cheers and keep the videos coming!
Junior says a lack of standards by your generation and then in the next line Junior does the exact same thing by ripping on Luperazzi's big fish lips... for whatever reason so many viewers seemed to miss this. The entire episode was making this double standard type of joke over the situation, which is brilliant because it's so typical in everything especially in recent years. Almost everyone is guilty of many of the verbal offenses that people get offended by and once it gets they get publicized and blown up everyone agrees with how offensive they are, but they're guilty of the same thing. It's such hypocrisy.
The only murders little Carmine committed was murdering word pronunciations
Woah woah hold up. Phil was in prison?
First I'm hearing of it
20 Fuckin' years
A pint of blood is worth more than a gallon of gold.
Wanna trade then?
“Family? I told you, they’re a glorified crew.”
Believe you me there's no way Tony Soprano would have been proud to call Carmine Jr his own son.
At least Little Carmine won't be eating Lincoln log sandwiches and drinking massive amounts of pool water. 😆
Started watching the series for the imteenth time last week. Gonna keep an eye out. Great vid.
The script and delivery of this video is amazing 😂
It actually made sense and was a smart move of Little Carmine to let Johnny have the boss title. It got Lorraine as well as Angelo killed. Angelo was living with his daughter and grandson so you can imagine how awful it was for them. Then the following season Johnny has Rusty clipped too (the other puppeteer alongside Angelo). It made total sense that Little Carmine backed off and just acted as a mediator.
Hush troll
Angelo was reluctant to take on the role. My understanding is that he had to be talked into it. I was sorry when he got clipped by Phil & Billy Leotardo
I can totally talk about Rocky Marciano without talking about Rocky Graziano. Except this time (lol)
I recently found this channel and was surprised when I heard Rummy’s voice. Some of the best Soprano related content on youtube!
Thank you very much!
He's a real po-suer......very allogorical, Pop! One of the best characters ever!
13:18 I could see Meadow writing a book about her experiences especially with her father being killed.
The narrator here is very allegorical, and sounds like a friend of ours
You should make a video of paulie walnuts for his recent passing
"I've got 7 pictures under my subspecies" lmao!
Fantastic detailed analysis, and I agree with all you said. Complex characters and storylines made this the greatest TV drama ever.
I love hearing this voice on the Sopranos, knowing it's the same one breaking down Boxing
the way you edit and narrate this makes it feel exactly like a sopranos comic book should be
I'm pretty sure when Carmine junior is playing mediator there's a strategy on his part going on. Particularly when he brings Tony to Phils for a mediation and Phil wants no part of it. I'd be surprised if Carmine junior didn't set that up and expect things to escalate. Aside from Tony getting whacked in the end, there are a lot of storylines that are challenging to interpret. There are perhaps subtleties, but a lot is left to be figured without a ton of clues. And Carmine junior is one of many storylines which are very subtle. And I like the subtleties where we're left to theorize and try to figure these storylines out, but only if they were intended for us to stew over and try to figure out. I hate the idea of trying to figure things out if they were never intended to be figured out. And I can't tell because this show doesn't give many clues on many of the theories I have.
For example, just to list one, I believe Tony was trying to whack Hesh. Tony brings over that bottle of alcohol to Hesh and starts to pay Hesh back at a bare minimum. Meanwhile Hesh is having stomach problems and the show makes a point to show Hesh having these stomach problems... Hesh is even holding his stomach as he's getting out of the shitter, when he comes upon his dead girlfriend, so I think she was accidentally killed or to a lessor extent intentionally killed.
And perhaps that rabbi dude who we is only introduced to us that one time who Hesh is talking too about being stressed over Tony may have been Tony's guy on the inside... he even sort of seemed partial to Tony when Hesh is talking to him.
If that's the case, the show doesn't give us much to work with, but to me there's enough there, because i can't see the show using deus ex machina for Hesh's girlfriend to coincidentally die and solve and close out the Hesh storyline. It makes no sense. Tony paying back hesh in full the day his girlfriend dies is sinister and seems like a message to me. And Hesh looks at him like... are you f**king kidding me.
Josh's girlfriend died from a blood embolism, Tony is so morally bankrupt that he thinks giving what is owed is the same as consoling Hesh. The look Hesh gives says it all...plus Hesh is sitting Shiva..or mourning when Jews don't talk.
@@shawnbrodrick8673 - I agree with the morally bankrupt part and what he does to Hesh in that moment where he pays him is horrible, but I also think Tony may have been behind trying to whack Hesh and killed his girlfriend by accident... perhaps poisoned the alcohol he brought him or that random jewish guy with Hesh who we see (who btw stands up for Tony throughout the conversation) and Hesh says something along the lines of he's the type of guy I would use to deal with a guy like him... this could be a hint where Tony used a guy like Hesh to deal with Hesh. The show went so far out of the way to show Hesh having stomach issues in every scene that I don't think it was a coincidence. And I realize the argument is that Hesh was stressed over the situation with Tony, but I don't think the show would have made this point to the degree that they did in every scene including the scene where he finds his girlfriend dead (he just got out of the bathroom). And at the very least we know he was considering whacking Hesh and he was paying Hesh back the bare minimum each time.
Tony has endless amounts of dick moves over the course of the show but how he treated Hesh over the loan ranks near the top for me. I also think the ending is supposed to be ambiguous in the sense of who killed Tony. Tony has about 5 plausible directions the hit could be from and Hesh is one of them in my opinion and I don't think the show wants us to know who it was, other than Tony had it coming from numerous sources. One of them being to keep him talking to the FEDS which Tony already had been talking to that one FED on a regular basis.
Jr played it smart....he was the middleman, had some respect and lived the best lifestyle.
You're telling me you never pondered the back thing with Notre Dame?
You know, Quasimodo predicted all the COVID shit
That is a great point that both Carmines had more self control than the other mobsters. I had not ever noticed that they had that in common.
My personal theory is that Phil did 17 years in prison, don't hate doe, just a theory
Fun fact: old Carmine is portrayed by Anthony Vallelonga, better known as Tony Lip. An episode of his life, when he became a driver for a black classical pianist Don Shirley, was dramatised in 2018 film Green Book. Tony Lip was portrayed by Viggo Mortensen.
He wasn't the greatest actor to be honest
Actually interesting, thank you
Tony Lip was a terrible actor LOL but the Green Book was a good film which was very loosely based on the real events.
This was fucking hilarious man. You had some hilarious shit in here. “Nobody knows how long phill was in jail for 🙄🤣”
The whole thing between Carmine Jr. vs. Johnny Sack was all Rusty Millio and Andrew Garepe running that show. For bowing out, keeping most of his wealth, health, life and none of his loved ones harmed, plus reserving himself a permanent good will role with both NY and NJ, that was a 5 head move, whether or not he meant to do it.
We all know full well that as soon as Little Paulie left the visitation room Paulie laughed at the joke. He was a funny prick that Ralph. Fuhkin Gladiator obsession, remember when he hit Georgie in the eye with the chain?
That is easily the best part of the show. I love how Ralph is an Andy Dick level party killer
He didn't have smarts, but he had enough wisdom to know when to quit
Carmine Jr.: Says a word, slightly gets the context wrong or uses a slightly incorrect word
The rest of the mob: U knowz, da ting wit da guy...died on da vine
As always another excellent analysis! You're right about everything. I haven't began The Boys yet this season. Seems best to wait on your analysis. Thanks again for all your hard work.
I enjoyed The Boys S3. I just didn't have enough free time to cover it. But I'll try and do a recap of the season at some point.
He was a master manipulator who sat back and watched. As everyone around him kill each other. And everyone else went to jail. He played the long game just like his Father did. His hands were clean and he was free and clear.
so glad someone mentioned the fact that he seems to be very well read, especially considering the level of intelligence the other mobsters have, and the fact that he uses pretty advanced vocabulary but like you said no one around him is smart enough to correct him so he's unaware, like if no one challenges you intellectually, how far can you raelly go?
Carmine Jr. was actually very smart.
One of those rare moments of casting when the two actually look like they could be father and son.
That was my exact thought when I saw the thumbnail.
I don't think Little Carmine was ever actually stupid. But his failed attempts at making himself sound to Tony like he had more to offer the Omerta or even the situation than the following he has loyal to his father and influence he has with his dad. In the first meeting he's like an older AJ. Who AJ wanted to be. With his Dad's influence and finance he had the potentia anyway to run a chain of clubs. Of course, Carmine had long proved he could do that and despite early little Carmine having parallels with Fredo Carmine was rightly quite proud of that reputation until he stepped up for what he felt was his Birth Right and as Johnny said Tony legitimised him in their world. The battles with John, the bloodshed that John did start. Angelo's guidance and Rusty's Kingmaker guidance. That would change anyone but by Season 6 B Little Carmine has realised where his true strength lies in terms of his father's legacy and he is indeed an effective mediator when he wants to be.
"You know you've got the Support" "You never thought you'd say those words did you?" In that moment I feel Tony envies him a little. If Livia didn't make out that Johnny left them very little and such a package was given to Tony before he made his bones and Livia was a different person altogether then perhaps Tony could have used his own Dad's wealth and influence to start a chain of clubs, restaurants whatever. Not officially part of the mafia but a high ranking associate maybe. Whether he wanted it anymore or not I feel Carmine would have been the perfect successor to Phil. To stabilise the family again. I see him as a Castellano type boss after his experience from the war with John. Not a stone Gangster by any means but a good mind for business, organising the family and helping make it vert profitable. Plus, a long list of loyal soldiers ready to handle the bloodshed that seemed to be the biggest factor in him making the deal with John.
As always, really love your analysis my friend. I hope this channel will keep growing with like minded Sopranos fanatics and theorists 👌
Carmine Junior spoke like Alan King.
You do the best Sopranos videos by far.
Thank you very much!
Really enjoyed your video,insightful and delivered with great humour. Take it easy!
Thank you very much!
Carmine Sr was the most gangster out of all of them.
Yea when he brought up that INCIDENT at that meeting 🤝 lol 🤣 tony was so pissed 😂
I think of it as Little Carmine testing the waters with Phil. Could Phil really be trusted to let bygones be bygones and abide by the truce? Apparently not…
Borko is the new boss and he ain't respecting old arrangements
Great Vid Rummy! Normally watch your boxing videos, great to see you do stuff on Sopranos too
Excellent editing and commentary.
Awesome job.
Please do more Sopranos analysis.
I plan to try and get a few more done the next few weeks.
Tony wearing shorts
Carmine Sr - Visible disappointment
Wait. Are you Rummy’s corner?
he sure is!
3:59 You will never convince me he didn't do it on purpose. He timed it way too pefectly. He knew just which buttons to push on several occasions throughout the series. The dude knew how to play people and he kept it close to the chest.
Holy shit!… rummy makes other videos besides boxing?!… subscribed.
PHILLIP LEONARDO AKA PHIL LEOTARDO NEEDS AN EPISODE. In particular the scene where he mentions how he receives the name
Because they're stupid
I have 9 pictures under my sub-species...
It's kind of confusing what the show is trying to depict with AJ in the later half of the 6th season. That scene that Lynch shows while saying that AJ lacked the stomach for the violence required to maintain control. I interpreted it as though in that scene in particular AJ is beginning to embrace the violence. In the next episode AJ partakes in and even escalates the instance where he and his friends beat up the Somalian guy who ran into the car door. And shortly thereafter AJ is talking to his psychiatrist giving some spiel about how screwed up the world is and why can't we all just get along. AJ tells the therapist about the Somalian kid his friends beat up off screen and the therapist says did you think about stopping it and AJ says something along the lines of I'm only one individual what can I do (whereas not only didn't he stop it, he escalated it and was into it), which is hilarious because before and after that AJ is going on to his therapist about all of these foreign conflicts/affairs and AJ proceeds to remain hung up and preoccupied by all things in the world that are external to himself, but the horrible things he saw and was involved in first hand had no effect on him. It's confusing what the show is trying to depict... AJ is clearly going through a depression, but he is happy and does well when he's hanging around with the boys engaging in violence. But AJ remains in a depressed funk focusing on the external world... he reads the poem "the second coming", quits school and either genuinely attempts suicide or knows that it will fail and as a result get a pass for dropping out of school and get favor with his parents, which ultimately happens. His dad hooks him up with that gig with Carmine Junior, so he's going to be around or connected to that lifestyle going forward. I'm pretty sure the show is demonstrating to us that AJ is like Tony... and will possibly follow in his footsteps going forward. I guess they're both manic depressive or something and the mafia lifestyle is the one thing that brings them comfort perhaps? Tony was the same way where he gets stressed over foreign affairs, yet killing or witnessing the killing of someone doesn't effect him.
I'm not sure if many people picked up on Junior's hypocrisy in a scene in reference to Ralph's comment about the mole on Ginny's ass, Junior says in my day John was right a man would never be expected to stand for a remark like that and then 30 seconds or so later Junior says that one's a slippery f**k, him and those big fish lips of his."
Just hit day 7. Feeling horrible. Also been on 150mg of sertraline for about 6-8 months now taking a combo of the two. Hoping things get better. Still on waiting list for therapist
Carmine was very old school and well respected, very allegorical too.
15:50 even Johnny laughs or chuckles for a second… 😂😂😂
"Him n those big f*ckin fish lips of his"
Is this the same rummys corner the boxing channel??
Carmine Jr was a moron and still managed to survive longer than most of them, always remained neutral and always negotiated things. He's the definition of peace between the families. Even if he's a moron, he actually did a pretty good job not causing any wars surrounded by sociopaths thirsty for blood. I'd say considering he's a moron he did a good job as a boss.
One might say that these conversions of total delegates continue to show that some bosses were better suited for the correct outcomes of said family’s. That being said my father always said to suit someone’s needs is to tailor the suit for said man. So In contrast these items at hand will never stop until all parties domestic and frozen are unthawed and unfortunately given troublesome conditions. P.S. never give your enemy your best weapon or he will destroy your property with venomously aggressive tactics.
Phil did 20 years
Happy to see that Dave Attel kept up with everything that happened in the show.
"I did twenty Fkng years"- Phil Leotardo.
The screwing up words thing was probably just inherited from his old man.
Love the narration!
"We don't know how long he was in the can though because Phil never said" George fuckin Carlin ova here
Your brother Billy
And whatever happened there 😂😅😂😅😂
I believe carmine jr was written to be ambiguous to the viewer you could either view him as a dummy or a master strategist but both are right. I choose to believe carmine becomes boss in his older age