For somebody new to both CAD/CAM and machining, this would be super hard mode. For an experienced machinist, new to CAD/CAM, this is some really great experience. This whole project has been a great learning journey, and the amount Adam has improved in a pretty short time bears that out. Jumping in and doing as much of this as he has in CNC was a bold step for a relative newbie to the technology, especially since he'd have had little or no problem banging it all out on manual machines with his great experience. I'm enjoying watching him improve as he works through the project at least as much as I am watching the project itself.
@Abom79 It seems some viewers don't understand that you are learning new things here. It is better to learn and make mistakes here on your project than some customers paying jobs. I personally love these videos. Best of luck.
yes, always practice on the cheap $2000 version first, in case you screw it up- then buy another, except this time you kknow what you did wrong. And if you think the USA one is cheaper, think again- $3800. You could probably build it cheaper, as Jason did it. @@jimyep9971
There's always going to be haters. Wheter it's something he does wrong or that he got the machines no amateur could afford or things like that. I love to see the tooling. I love to see the steps needed to make something. Sure he gets better deals than your average-Joe, because he's done videos of him showing what the machinist job is like and build a channel and a following. Manufacturers get to be seen by people and Adam gets to show us how things are done. If I'm not mistaken he's been doing this since late 90's as a job. To have your own shop at your 40's is just a testament of the work he's been put on building the channel with a following.
As a common Fusion and Mastercam user, it will make your life 10000x easier if you name each operation exactly what it's doing instead of just leaving them as the default names once your programs get more complex. Great to see you progressing using CAD CAM. And as a great easy and cheap way to organize tools, you can 3d print tags with tool numbers on them and they work great for organizing tools out of the machine
LOL yep. I'm old school SolidWorks user. Been with solidworks since the late 90's. After too many errors bubbling up the build tree and just confused as hell from where its coming from, somebody finally tells you "hey try naming your procedures", and suddenly everything was made simplified as to where the problem was..
Adam A word of comfort from a very old computer programmer. It seemed impossible 60 years ago but the more I thought about it the easier it got. And it didnt take 60 years for it to click and seem natural.
As another old programmer, you eventually find yourself thinking about what you're trying to do it the language it uses. The hardest language for me was the second one. The first one was just the way things are and the second one was WRONG! for an unreasonable length of time. After a a number of languages, you start thinking in your own pseudocode then you just have to find out how the next language accomplishes it.
I love it, we can hear the confidence coming back in your voice step by step your get you swagger back. Trust but confirm. I was teaching the new guy at work learn to drive the fork lifts, he like the little ones just fine we had a big lift coming. We have 60 ton fork lift and it is massive. I can manage it alone if I have to it has cameras to see 360 degrees. The safely regulations states you have to do test lifts over 30 tons, we have a load test block. I have been working with him on getting his confidence up in hisself, the test load block has removable stages. Every day after lunch we work up to the next stage. The stage 4 is the max test level for safe load testing for the 60 ton lift. Feeling the forklift flex and “FLEX” 💪 is what is needed to know your machine.
The big boat lifts scare the heck out of me. I see them for some boat shows and the four legged ones lift the giant 50-60 foot boats. When the tires are bigger than you are, you get the heck away. I was in a man-cage and the regular forklift wasn't big enough. Immediately it started to tilt and I hit the floor in the cage. A bunch of people jumped on the back of the lift and stabilized it. The safety people came and told them to get a bigger lift. (like we didn't know that) My harness was useless for that.
Wow, that was great! Abom rocks! As a software engineer who has had many program crashes during development and testing, I understand why you are being so careful.
To save yourself some label tape, type in all your labels at the same time with a couple spaces between, then print and cut. Trim them apart with scissors after peeling the backing. You can also eliminate the word “Tool” on each label since only the number is actually relevant.
I've got 3 different label makers and they all do the same thing, think they do it on purpose. Got to sell that label material and it's getting downright expensive.😂
Seems overkill for a temporary situation. When I’m pre staging tools for the next job, I’ll use post it notes stuck on the tool saying what tool it is.
To avoid messing with spaces and having to cut the labels manually, there's usually a setting called "chain printing". What it will do is lag the cutting prompt by one label so that you will only waste a piece of tape on the last label. Also the fancier label printers with an automatic cutting tool will allow you to do "kiss cuts" where only the label is cut, but the backing tape is not, so that you get a nice long chain of all your precut labels.
Glad you are showing the whole shebang. I dont fault jason for not finding a good deal for annamerican shop to do this. With all the differences in the casting and no reference surfaces at start.
Enjoyed the video. I certainly feel your pucker factor when trying out a new program. As I said in an earlier video, I have learned to always do an air cut on my first programming run. It's really the only way to feel more confident as a simple misplaced decimal can cause a crash. Thanks.
I love the determination to continue to learn the CNC. Better man (nd Machinist by far) than I! Thanks for sharing the wins and the not so wins as well!
Really enjoying this fireball vice build video, its inspired me to restore one of my Dad's old vice's and 2 of my old shop vices ... Thanks Abom for sharing , your CNC machines are really amazing. It would be cool to live stream a kevin video so we could see the cad/cam process.. i would watch that too..
I been out of CNC for 20 years. But I was taught to build a check point into all programs. So you rapid to .250 away from the part then place an option-stop (M01) there, every time you are approaching the part then feed into the part from there. So when proving the program you turn on option-stop and and turn rapid way down, tool will stop .250 away. Read the next line in the program, insure it says its going to feed .250 to the part in X/Y/Z, check +/- direction is correct. Open the doors and physically look and make sure tool is stopped .250 from part where the machine thinks it is. Only once everything checks out do you hit cycle start to continue. This is how you keep from scrapping parts, braking tools and crashing the machine, especially when doing single parts. Hope this helps, not doing this would get you fired from every shop I worked at.
I completely agree. The process you describe is so basic, but so absent from his 'training' thus far , whether that be self taught or taught, it is hard to believe. He sort of does the tool approach thing ( took him a while), but doesn't do it with the 'eyecrometer' precision necessary to prevent a crash ( I mean, has it stopped at 1/4 inch away, or is that actually a 1/8 inch, say ). As for single blocking through a program to prove it out, he isn't doing that in the 'conversational' mode. Adam talks of 'writing' the program, but it is being written for him via the menu driven system. He has not gone through the process of writing a program, line by line , and executing it ( as is useful for a CNC machine MDI mode).
@james-ew7kl Yup, it seems somehow he was never shown any systematic approach to proving a program other than air. I usually didn't write the program ether, it came from engineering. But first thing I'd read it line by line and put in stops after every rapid and especially after a tool change. He isn't a dumb guy at all so I'm sure its lack of anyone teaching him this. I cringe every time he says he turned rapid back to 100%, I never run rapid in an unproven program over 25%. I want time to read the upcoming line, digest that and stop it before it rapid through the table because that + was entered as a - number. Which I did on a huge old OKK mill, brother you don't want to be standing there for that! At least modern machines know where the table is but they only know where you tell them the part and fixtures are.
@@andyfields3248 The techniques of how to remain in control of that cutting tool, using the displays and controls right there on the machine, how these were not included in his very first 'familiarization' course at the NYC CNC is beyond me. As for proving out a program block by block, it takes a good deal of practice to get competent on that one. He has in previous videos, for fun, competed against others in a 4 jaw chuck setting competition. A good comparable 'acid test' would be for him to prove out a program block by block, where there are deliberate errors in there, a minus where there should be a plus, an incorrect tool length, a decimal point in the wrong place. He who completes the job in the shortest time, seeing and correcting the program errors along the way, wins. This against a ' nothing special' but competent CNC operator/setter straight from his daily CNC job ( no one with TH-cam channel videos allowed, lol ). It goes without saying that such a test would have to be carefully designed; don't want a broke machine or anyone injured just for a fun test.
I sure do understand the nervousness about chamfering and tapping! I was a "secondary ops" machinist for many years and those were the kinds of tasks my department did to support the machinists. Deburring and chamfering was a big part of my job and I can't count the number or edges I've deburred or holes I've threaded or bolt threads I've chased with a geometric die. Google it: geometric dies are really cool. I used to operate a Hardinge DV-59 with a turret. You could chase threads and the geometric die would pop open as soon as you hit the depth stop on on turret. As soon as the die touched the part you could basically let go of the lever and let the machine do all of the work. It used 5C collets so we could get collets that held the hex bolts we were chasing the threads on. Wonderful setup. My co-workers chose to chase the threads with a file and the boss allowed it. Yeah, real brain geniuses. We had to chase the threads because we cut a flathead screwdriver slot into the "non-drive side" of the bolt with a slitting saw on a horizontal mill. The "brain geniuses" couldn't set up the mill, a tiny Clausing, and took a day to file the bolts by hand instead of using the lathe and knocking the work order out quickly.
My heart skipped a beat when you got that spindle got that close to the top of the vice tail part. I was looking at the dial and had completely forgotten about the spindle.
The whole point of this project was to use most of the machines in his shop, showing what each can do. Showing how a CNC can do some of these operations is just as interesting to me as manual work. If you don’t like CNCs because you don’t want to embrace new technology, then don’t watch those and you won’t have to cry about it.
Great looking work, you and the machines did a nice job. There was just one part I wasn't expecting: for the counterbore I thought the bit would spiral out, but it looked like it was cutting a circle and stepping to the next circle out. Made me worry for the bit on those quick steps, but obviously it wasn't a problem.
That's because he used a 2D pocket strategy in Fusion, which is an old school toolpath. He should have used one of the adaptive strategies to avoid sudden changes in tool pressure.
I was so relieved for you. You remembered the extra 0 on your chamfer. Love the channel. Every Saturday afternoon, when my wife hears your voice, she says... "SNS"?
Hi Adam, my first thought when you started to label your tools was that they will fall off. I think I would use a tray with some type of pockets and have the pockets numbered. Then just place tool no 5 in pocket no 5.
I came here to say this. A sheet of steel with holes to drop the taper through and let the tool sit on the shoulder. I would make two. One for long term storage and one for collecting and organizing the tools for the next job.
On your tool labels, I use 1" blue tape and a sharpie. Blue tape roll is on a tape dispenser so it's quick & easy to pull off a 1/4" piece. My machine doesn't have a high speed spindle so balance isn't a factor and the blue tape holds on fine as long as the coolant isn't aimed at it. I've got 60+ holders to manage…many stay setup.
G'day Adam. Everything went really well with very nice finishes. With your tool holders, easiest way is to make a rack numbered from say 1-50 which would correspond with the tool position on the CNC machines Great video keep up the progression till finished
More than 30 years ago, I programmed a CMM and could measure at least 3 points of a theoretically flat face and use that to set one coordinate plane, measure 2 points to set another plane at a theoretical angle on the first plane, and measure 1 point in the 3rd plane to set a point relative to the other axes. From there, the software could create the X,Y,Z coordinate system from there even if the measured points were not actually orthogonal to each other. The software would then report data points just as if the jig had been trammed in in all 3 axes. Can modern CAM machines do this or do you still have to beat on things with a hammer to get them square before you start?
Hey Adam, I worked as an operator for 16 years, burr hand 6 years before that, the setup is what I want to see ! I want to see the problem solving of workholding choice of tooling, etc.
I love the Brother P-Touch label makers, I have tried several other brands and now own three different P-Touch models. But you're absolutely right they waste the margins. Every brand does, and it probably is the obvious reason - to sell more label cartridges. I have two different strategies to reduce the waste. The simplest works when you are making a batch like you are here, just make one print pass include more than one "label" and snip between them with scissors [tool1 tool2 tool3 tool4 tool5] all as one print. The second way I "fix" the waste is buying cheap non-Brother label cartridges for everything except archival labels. If it's temporary use the cheap stuff, and only use the best when it needs to last an indefinite time. By the way, a few of the cheap ones turn out to also be good! I wish I could give suggestions. But buying again from the same online listing doesn't guarantee the same product. Unless it's the brand name.
I began learning (absorbing) CAD/CAM when AutoCAD 11 with AME first became available and purchased student version in college. My first PC was a 486 w/4mb ram. Over the years, my career actually held me behind tech that was bursting forward early 2000's. I was loyal to my company mostly 2D design work. We did have CNC router & plasma machines that always seemed to be down. The programing & parts fab was extremely easy for me to concept always wondering how far I could have gone in tech & fab. Now I'm (60) too old to do anything cept relax & fert out my soup all day.
I wonder if you could make a kind of plug to fit the bore, and then fix the plug to your fixture table so you’ll guarantee alignment when you flip it? Such a cool project Adam! I love watching the progress!
Suspensful! First, with the rapidz to the next bore diameter, then the chamfer. A segjestion for tapping: you want the lube to be on the cutting ej, so putting it in the hole iz better than on the tap.
The printer wants you to cut off the part that was already ahead of the print head, so it cant really print on it anymore, best way to circumvent the waste is to batch out your prints, basically print all the labels together, that way you have only one waste piece. We use these printers at my job and in 5 years thats the best solution we have for it :D
Adam, instead of unloading the tool carousel, could you have set the workpiece to one side rather than the center of the table so it would not travel under thte tools?
@@UK_Lemons The position of the angle plate to the part makes a diference. As it is, the carousel has to travel over the angle plate to reach the part whereas if the part was on the left hand end it would not. The best position would have been to mount the angle plate at 90 degrees & this would not be a problem.
When you're simulating in Fusion, you can hover your cursor over the progress bar and roll your zoom wheel to roll through the program for some fine control.
You guys realize he makes the videos he wants to make, right? Nobody is forcing you to watch anything. Nobody is forcing you to waste your time complaining, either lol
Really enjoying this fireball vice build video, its inspired me to restore one of my Dad's old vice's and 2 of my old shop vices ... Thank Abom79 for sharing and have an awesome day ⚡
Man, you are really making huge strides. I know the trials of modelling an existing part, just to work on completely new CAM. Fusion 360 is really not so steep a learning curve if you don't mind taking the time to try out new strategies. I was just dealing with a tapered counterbore at the bottom of another bore. Ordering new tooling everyday :)
Hey Adam 😊 nice work there. For printing labels i use the Dymo, works better, cuz you can print and cut once, minimum waste. For taking all tools out the carousell i put them in a numbered rack, so i dont have to label the tools. But i do have some labeled and they stick actually pretty well if you give them time to adhese, like let them sit over night before splashing with coolant. On the counterbore i might have used a spiral out cut instead a stepover, but just because i am a chicken on one off parts at the cnc. I think your setup could handle even more stepover, you did that very well. Maybe cut the sides of that hardtail on the flex mill? Would be nice to see that in action 😊 Greetings from Germany, Chris
This tool config might help you out: T1 - Face mill (the big one) T2-T5 - Commonly used smaller diameter mills, let's say 2-6mm in my case (you can also go something larger that suits your needs better) T6-T10 - Commonly used larger endmills T11 - Chamfer mill T12 - Pilot drill (for HSS drills) T13-T18 can remain as free pockets for tools that will be changed out regularly Keep in mind, this is just an idea which you could use to manage your tools easier (which ones are in which pocket), i'm personally using that sort of system myself and all those standardized tools have been saved in library
That would be an awesome feature suggestion for the Milltronics guys to add a clearance check in their software to ensure crashes into the toolholders doesn't happen. Each tool's height is known and indexed, so the machine is able to do a sanity check that no tool impedes the z-height of the workpiece. It'll never be foolproof (you could put z0 on a face that's below other features that protrude, for example), but it would certainly help obvious cases!
There is this system of cards for the CNC mill. The cards can clip onto the tool holder and has a place to write down all the details, tool type, and measurements from a tool pre-seter. When you put the tool in the machine, you take the card of the tool and into a slot in a rack on the CNC that corresponds to the tool number in the CNC. That way you always know what tools are in the machine and what Tool to specify in CAM. It's intended for shops with multiple CNCs but there is no reason it wouldn't work for just one.
Tool 15 is long make it T15 easier. Chips do damage the markings, so replace when it gets damaged. Nice vid as always Oh yeah induction heated tools burn off your tool markings aswell
The trick with the Canon PTouch is to print all the labels at once with a space or two between each, then cut them manually. Tool 1 Tool 2 Tool 3 All the machine waste a lot of label for the cut-off process.
The interesting thing for me is i would use the manual horizontal boring mill to machine both ends to get more practice, and Abom wants to use the CNC for more experience
12:44 It does "waste a lot" because it needs to feed a certain amount out in order to be able to cut off the printed label. You have set it for the shortest label length. You will still have the same amount of waste if you set it to regular length, but it will be equally divided between the label you just printed and the next label, so if you want to cut it to just longer than the text you would have to do that yourself after printing.
To stop the waste of label tape, have a look at the print dialog. I think you will find a couple of check boxes for Auto Cut and Chain Printing. Select both of those. That will then produce that first blank (needed to get the tape start properly laminated). Subsequent labels will be cut off when the next label is being printed. Last label can be cut off by the Cut button. For better label adhesion (if that proves to be a problem) try the High adhesion label stock.
As a professional computer programmer one of the simplest tools for preventing errors is good defaults. If you can tell fusion to use a sensible default depth for all your chamfers you won’t have to be gun shy about them. When you look over a program, it’s natural to glaze over a bit. So it helps to be able to preserve your attention for the bits that matter.
I am curious how he is going to center the cutout with the bolt hole pattern on the other end. It will be parallel, but it also needs to be centered or it will bind up.
Nice video! Adam always comes across as a very sincere and well-meaning man. Suggestion: Instead of labeling the tools, can't a rack be created out of wood, with labels on it, to store them? I don't think it would take much. That is, just like drill bits and other tools? I'm not a machine so perhaps there's something I'm missing. Also, if the label tape is wrapped completely around the circumference of the tool, then that would seem to solve the out of balance condition. A slight overlap may help it's stay in place. At a very high speed it could still fly off.
I would create a stand alone carousel for the tools to fit in on the bench numbered the same way as the one in the machine. A description and maybe a photo of each tool on the bench carousel will remove any potential wrong placement.
Second that. MSC has the tool tags for various tool holder tapers and 3D print the Tag holders, embed strong magnets flush to the back and stick on machine enclosure.
Set your label maker to "Chain" when you're printing a lot of labels in a row and it won't generate all that waste. It's only the final label in the sequence that'll have to use the "feed & cut" to get the last one. Also look for the "serialize" setting if you're just making a sequence of numbers. It'll let you use the text Tool and then you can enter say I want the number to count from 1-8 and it'll print the whole sequence, pausing to cut between each one.
That's what we did for similar reasons... Small piece of plywood with holes and a couple lengths of 2x6 as legs. Then just write tool numbers next to each hole with a marker. You can go fancier, but it isn't necessary.
Seems like it would have been a lot easier to move the setup than pulling all those tools? It wasn't even trammed in and it looked like an inch or two would have been all that was needed. Is there something else that im not considering that made removing the tools the better option?
When using the shrinkfit-Haimler, do you need to remove the heater before you insert the tool? I know nothing about machining, besides what I've learned watching you and Tony do. So in my brain it would be simpler to install the toolbit while the heater is still over the part so you don't accidentaly burn yourself on it (I have a nerve damage on my hand and tend to burn myself easily). Thank you for showing us the steps you take to learn. Makes it easier to stay with the steps as a noob.
You should check out John Grimsmo's recent uploaded video where he shows off his 3D-printed tool organization tabs and holders. It's pretty elaborate as he runs more production type CNC stuff, but it's pretty slick and seems dead simple.
For somebody new to both CAD/CAM and machining, this would be super hard mode. For an experienced machinist, new to CAD/CAM, this is some really great experience. This whole project has been a great learning journey, and the amount Adam has improved in a pretty short time bears that out. Jumping in and doing as much of this as he has in CNC was a bold step for a relative newbie to the technology, especially since he'd have had little or no problem banging it all out on manual machines with his great experience. I'm enjoying watching him improve as he works through the project at least as much as I am watching the project itself.
@Abom79 It seems some viewers don't understand that you are learning new things here. It is better to learn and make mistakes here on your project than some customers paying jobs. I personally love these videos. Best of luck.
MY feelings too.
yes, always practice on the cheap $2000 version first, in case you screw it up- then buy another, except this time you kknow what you did wrong. And if you think the USA one is cheaper, think again- $3800. You could probably build it cheaper, as Jason did it. @@jimyep9971
There's always going to be haters. Wheter it's something he does wrong or that he got the machines no amateur could afford or things like that. I love to see the tooling. I love to see the steps needed to make something. Sure he gets better deals than your average-Joe, because he's done videos of him showing what the machinist job is like and build a channel and a following. Manufacturers get to be seen by people and Adam gets to show us how things are done. If I'm not mistaken he's been doing this since late 90's as a job. To have your own shop at your 40's is just a testament of the work he's been put on building the channel with a following.
Well done Adam, You are picking up some valuable CNC experience, without trashing the part!
As a common Fusion and Mastercam user, it will make your life 10000x easier if you name each operation exactly what it's doing instead of just leaving them as the default names once your programs get more complex. Great to see you progressing using CAD CAM. And as a great easy and cheap way to organize tools, you can 3d print tags with tool numbers on them and they work great for organizing tools out of the machine
LOL yep. I'm old school SolidWorks user. Been with solidworks since the late 90's. After too many errors bubbling up the build tree and just confused as hell from where its coming from, somebody finally tells you "hey try naming your procedures", and suddenly everything was made simplified as to where the problem was..
"I was a little nervous" - right there with you bud! That counter bore was scary to watch.
Man, when the machine went in to do the last roughing cut, it sure sounded like it wanted to snap
I’m wondering about that change up as the tool got to about 1 o’clock on the counterbore cut.
The second camera made me a little seasick!
Adam
A word of comfort from a very old computer programmer. It seemed impossible 60 years ago but the more I thought about it the easier it got.
And it didnt take 60 years for it to click and seem natural.
As another old programmer, you eventually find yourself thinking about what you're trying to do it the language it uses. The hardest language for me was the second one. The first one was just the way things are and the second one was WRONG! for an unreasonable length of time. After a a number of languages, you start thinking in your own pseudocode then you just have to find out how the next language accomplishes it.
There's more hands on time with cnc machines than people realize.
I love it, we can hear the confidence coming back in your voice step by step your get you swagger back. Trust but confirm. I was teaching the new guy at work learn to drive the fork lifts, he like the little ones just fine we had a big lift coming. We have 60 ton fork lift and it is massive. I can manage it alone if I have to it has cameras to see 360 degrees. The safely regulations states you have to do test lifts over 30 tons, we have a load test block. I have been working with him on getting his confidence up in hisself, the test load block has removable stages. Every day after lunch we work up to the next stage. The stage 4 is the max test level for safe load testing for the 60 ton lift. Feeling the forklift flex and “FLEX” 💪 is what is needed to know your machine.
The big boat lifts scare the heck out of me. I see them for some boat shows and the four legged ones lift the giant 50-60 foot boats. When the tires are bigger than you are, you get the heck away. I was in a man-cage and the regular forklift wasn't big enough. Immediately it started to tilt and I hit the floor in the cage. A bunch of people jumped on the back of the lift and stabilized it. The safety people came and told them to get a bigger lift. (like we didn't know that) My harness was useless for that.
Adam, these videos are just incredible to watch, I hope you keep making them! never stop!
Wow, that was great! Abom rocks! As a software engineer who has had many program crashes during development and testing, I understand why you are being so careful.
I kind of like you filming the monitor vs using screen capture. Nice to have your hands in there gesturing and feels less sterile than a screencap.
To save yourself some label tape, type in all your labels at the same time with a couple spaces between, then print and cut. Trim them apart with scissors after peeling the backing. You can also eliminate the word “Tool” on each label since only the number is actually relevant.
I've got 3 different label makers and they all do the same thing, think they do it on purpose. Got to sell that label material and it's getting downright expensive.😂
Yeah as an electrician I have used a few different types and waste alot of material and you can't always put everything at one time
Seems overkill for a temporary situation. When I’m pre staging tools for the next job, I’ll use post it notes stuck on the tool saying what tool it is.
Agree with you. I would type the number of the tool several times until it wraps around evenly so it can remain balanced.
To avoid messing with spaces and having to cut the labels manually, there's usually a setting called "chain printing". What it will do is lag the cutting prompt by one label so that you will only waste a piece of tape on the last label. Also the fancier label printers with an automatic cutting tool will allow you to do "kiss cuts" where only the label is cut, but the backing tape is not, so that you get a nice long chain of all your precut labels.
Won't be long before you are the teacher. Coming along just nice. You can do it.
Glad you are showing the whole shebang. I dont fault jason for not finding a good deal for annamerican shop to do this. With all the differences in the casting and no reference surfaces at start.
Enjoyed the video. I certainly feel your pucker factor when trying out a new program. As I said in an earlier video, I have learned to always do an air cut on my first programming run. It's really the only way to feel more confident as a simple misplaced decimal can cause a crash. Thanks.
I love the determination to continue to learn the CNC. Better man (nd Machinist by far) than I! Thanks for sharing the wins and the not so wins as well!
Looks like you're finding a rhythm on the mill it starting to feel like watching you on the manual machines. Good Job!
Very well done Adam.
I think Adam’s skill and attention to details is amazing 🎉
Really enjoying this fireball vice build video, its inspired me to restore one of my Dad's old vice's and 2 of my old shop vices ... Thanks Abom for sharing , your CNC machines are really amazing. It would be cool to live stream a kevin video so we could see the cad/cam process.. i would watch that too..
I been out of CNC for 20 years. But I was taught to build a check point into all programs. So you rapid to .250 away from the part then place an option-stop (M01) there, every time you are approaching the part then feed into the part from there.
So when proving the program you turn on option-stop and and turn rapid way down, tool will stop .250 away. Read the next line in the program, insure it says its going to feed .250 to the part in X/Y/Z, check +/- direction is correct. Open the doors and physically look and make sure tool is stopped .250 from part where the machine thinks it is. Only once everything checks out do you hit cycle start to continue.
This is how you keep from scrapping parts, braking tools and crashing the machine, especially when doing single parts. Hope this helps, not doing this would get you fired from every shop I worked at.
I completely agree. The process you describe is so basic, but so absent from his 'training' thus far , whether that be self taught or taught, it is hard to believe. He sort of does the tool approach thing ( took him a while), but doesn't do it with the 'eyecrometer' precision necessary to prevent a crash ( I mean, has it stopped at 1/4 inch away, or is that actually a 1/8 inch, say ). As for single blocking through a program to prove it out, he isn't doing that in the 'conversational' mode. Adam talks of 'writing' the program, but it is being written for him via the menu driven system. He has not gone through the process of writing a program, line by line , and executing it ( as is useful for a CNC machine MDI mode).
@james-ew7kl Yup, it seems somehow he was never shown any systematic approach to proving a program other than air. I usually didn't write the program ether, it came from engineering. But first thing I'd read it line by line and put in stops after every rapid and especially after a tool change. He isn't a dumb guy at all so I'm sure its lack of anyone teaching him this.
I cringe every time he says he turned rapid back to 100%, I never run rapid in an unproven program over 25%. I want time to read the upcoming line, digest that and stop it before it rapid through the table because that + was entered as a - number. Which I did on a huge old OKK mill, brother you don't want to be standing there for that! At least modern machines know where the table is but they only know where you tell them the part and fixtures are.
@@andyfields3248 The techniques of how to remain in control of that cutting tool, using the displays and controls right there on the machine, how these were not included in his very first 'familiarization' course at the NYC CNC is beyond me. As for proving out a program block by block, it takes a good deal of practice to get competent on that one. He has in previous videos, for fun, competed against others in a 4 jaw chuck setting competition. A good comparable 'acid test' would be for him to prove out a program block by block, where there are deliberate errors in there, a minus where there should be a plus, an incorrect tool length, a decimal point in the wrong place. He who completes the job in the shortest time, seeing and correcting the program errors along the way, wins. This against a ' nothing special' but competent CNC operator/setter straight from his daily CNC job ( no one with TH-cam channel videos allowed, lol ). It goes without saying that such a test would have to be carefully designed; don't want a broke machine or anyone injured just for a fun test.
I sure do understand the nervousness about chamfering and tapping! I was a "secondary ops" machinist for many years and those were the kinds of tasks my department did to support the machinists. Deburring and chamfering was a big part of my job and I can't count the number or edges I've deburred or holes I've threaded or bolt threads I've chased with a geometric die.
Google it: geometric dies are really cool. I used to operate a Hardinge DV-59 with a turret. You could chase threads and the geometric die would pop open as soon as you hit the depth stop on on turret. As soon as the die touched the part you could basically let go of the lever and let the machine do all of the work. It used 5C collets so we could get collets that held the hex bolts we were chasing the threads on. Wonderful setup.
My co-workers chose to chase the threads with a file and the boss allowed it. Yeah, real brain geniuses. We had to chase the threads because we cut a flathead screwdriver slot into the "non-drive side" of the bolt with a slitting saw on a horizontal mill. The "brain geniuses" couldn't set up the mill, a tiny Clausing, and took a day to file the bolts by hand instead of using the lathe and knocking the work order out quickly.
Yess a New Abom saturdaynight video , realy looking forward to it .
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Great job. You are sure getting better with each project.
My heart skipped a beat when you got that spindle got that close to the top of the vice tail part. I was looking at the dial and had completely forgotten about the spindle.
Great CNC work,Adam.Thank you.
The whole point of this project was to use most of the machines in his shop, showing what each can do. Showing how a CNC can do some of these operations is just as interesting to me as manual work. If you don’t like CNCs because you don’t want to embrace new technology, then don’t watch those and you won’t have to cry about it.
Great looking work, you and the machines did a nice job. There was just one part I wasn't expecting: for the counterbore I thought the bit would spiral out, but it looked like it was cutting a circle and stepping to the next circle out. Made me worry for the bit on those quick steps, but obviously it wasn't a problem.
That's because he used a 2D pocket strategy in Fusion, which is an old school toolpath. He should have used one of the adaptive strategies to avoid sudden changes in tool pressure.
I did not realize how much effort goes into a vise (that i usually abuse) very cool
I was so relieved for you. You remembered the extra 0 on your chamfer. Love the channel. Every Saturday afternoon, when my wife hears your voice, she says... "SNS"?
Adam, so glad this is turning out so nicely for you.
I noticed on the bore and conuterbore it looks like climb milling.
Hi Adam, my first thought when you started to label your tools was that they will fall off. I think I would use a tray with some type of pockets and have the pockets numbered. Then just place tool no 5 in pocket no 5.
A fun project would be to create a tool holder to store all your tools. You can then label the tool holder.
I came here to say this. A sheet of steel with holes to drop the taper through and let the tool sit on the shoulder. I would make two. One for long term storage and one for collecting and organizing the tools for the next job.
On your tool labels, I use 1" blue tape and a sharpie. Blue tape roll is on a tape dispenser so it's quick & easy to pull off a 1/4" piece. My machine doesn't have a high speed spindle so balance isn't a factor and the blue tape holds on fine as long as the coolant isn't aimed at it. I've got 60+ holders to manage…many stay setup.
As always, great video Adam!
G'day Adam. Everything went really well with very nice finishes.
With your tool holders, easiest way is to make a rack numbered from say 1-50 which would correspond with the tool position on the CNC machines
Great video keep up the progression till finished
good job mr booth
keep those rapids down
Great video, and keep up the good work!
More than 30 years ago, I programmed a CMM and could measure at least 3 points of a theoretically flat face and use that to set one coordinate plane, measure 2 points to set another plane at a theoretical angle on the first plane, and measure 1 point in the 3rd plane to set a point relative to the other axes. From there, the software could create the X,Y,Z coordinate system from there even if the measured points were not actually orthogonal to each other. The software would then report data points just as if the jig had been trammed in in all 3 axes. Can modern CAM machines do this or do you still have to beat on things with a hammer to get them square before you start?
I work on machines with siemens controls and I don't need to tram the part in, just measure it with the machine
Hey Adam, I worked as an operator for 16 years, burr hand 6 years before that, the setup is what I want to see ! I want to see the problem solving of workholding choice of tooling, etc.
I love the Brother P-Touch label makers, I have tried several other brands and now own three different P-Touch models. But you're absolutely right they waste the margins. Every brand does, and it probably is the obvious reason - to sell more label cartridges.
I have two different strategies to reduce the waste. The simplest works when you are making a batch like you are here, just make one print pass include more than one "label" and snip between them with scissors [tool1 tool2 tool3 tool4 tool5] all as one print. The second way I "fix" the waste is buying cheap non-Brother label cartridges for everything except archival labels. If it's temporary use the cheap stuff, and only use the best when it needs to last an indefinite time.
By the way, a few of the cheap ones turn out to also be good! I wish I could give suggestions. But buying again from the same online listing doesn't guarantee the same product. Unless it's the brand name.
Try a wooden tool holder and label all the holes. Big shops do this.
I began learning (absorbing) CAD/CAM when AutoCAD 11 with AME first became available and purchased student version in college. My first PC was a 486 w/4mb ram. Over the years, my career actually held me behind tech that was bursting forward early 2000's. I was loyal to my company mostly 2D design work. We did have CNC router & plasma machines that always seemed to be down. The programing & parts fab was extremely easy for me to concept always wondering how far I could have gone in tech & fab. Now I'm (60) too old to do anything cept relax & fert out my soup all day.
I wonder if you could make a kind of plug to fit the bore, and then fix the plug to your fixture table so you’ll guarantee alignment when you flip it? Such a cool project Adam! I love watching the progress!
Suspensful! First, with the rapidz to the next bore diameter, then the chamfer. A segjestion for tapping: you want the lube to be on the cutting ej, so putting it in the hole iz better than on the tap.
The printer wants you to cut off the part that was already ahead of the print head, so it cant really print on it anymore, best way to circumvent the waste is to batch out your prints, basically print all the labels together, that way you have only one waste piece. We use these printers at my job and in 5 years thats the best solution we have for it :D
Adam, instead of unloading the tool carousel, could you have set the workpiece to one side rather than the center of the table so it would not travel under thte tools?
Simple and obvious.
@@tates11It would make no difference. It is the bed of the machine that moves so the distance between the spindle and the carousel is fixed.
@@UK_Lemons The position of the angle plate to the part makes a diference. As it is, the carousel has to travel over the angle plate to reach the part whereas if the part was on the left hand end it would not.
The best position would have been to mount the angle plate at 90 degrees & this would not be a problem.
I'm wondering about a laser etching to number the holders. I'm not familiar with that process but even an acid etch might work.
When you're simulating in Fusion, you can hover your cursor over the progress bar and roll your zoom wheel to roll through the program for some fine control.
You can just left clock and hold anywhere in the screen and then move your mouse left or right to do the same.
@@MechanicalAdvantage You're right! I was confusing it with Hypermill
You guys realize he makes the videos he wants to make, right? Nobody is forcing you to watch anything. Nobody is forcing you to waste your time complaining, either lol
For what ever reason the peanut gallery is much mellower tonight.
No use arguing with them. It's like playing chess with a pigeon. Gonna knock over all the pieces crap everywhere and strut around like it won anyway.
@@demonknight7965😂 I’ll have to try and remember that one.
Really enjoying this fireball vice build video, its inspired me to restore one of my Dad's old vice's and 2 of my old shop vices ... Thank Abom79 for sharing and have an awesome day ⚡
Man, you are really making huge strides. I know the trials of modelling an existing part, just to work on completely new CAM. Fusion 360 is really not so steep a learning curve if you don't mind taking the time to try out new strategies. I was just dealing with a tapered counterbore at the bottom of another bore. Ordering new tooling everyday :)
Hey Adam 😊 nice work there. For printing labels i use the Dymo, works better, cuz you can print and cut once, minimum waste. For taking all tools out the carousell i put them in a numbered rack, so i dont have to label the tools. But i do have some labeled and they stick actually pretty well if you give them time to adhese, like let them sit over night before splashing with coolant. On the counterbore i might have used a spiral out cut instead a stepover, but just because i am a chicken on one off parts at the cnc. I think your setup could handle even more stepover, you did that very well. Maybe cut the sides of that hardtail on the flex mill? Would be nice to see that in action 😊 Greetings from Germany, Chris
This tool config might help you out:
T1 - Face mill (the big one)
T2-T5 - Commonly used smaller diameter mills, let's say 2-6mm in my case (you can also go something larger that suits your needs better)
T6-T10 - Commonly used larger endmills
T11 - Chamfer mill
T12 - Pilot drill (for HSS drills)
T13-T18 can remain as free pockets for tools that will be changed out regularly
Keep in mind, this is just an idea which you could use to manage your tools easier (which ones are in which pocket), i'm personally using that sort of system myself and all those standardized tools have been saved in library
That would be an awesome feature suggestion for the Milltronics guys to add a clearance check in their software to ensure crashes into the toolholders doesn't happen. Each tool's height is known and indexed, so the machine is able to do a sanity check that no tool impedes the z-height of the workpiece. It'll never be foolproof (you could put z0 on a face that's below other features that protrude, for example), but it would certainly help obvious cases!
There is this system of cards for the CNC mill. The cards can clip onto the tool holder and has a place to write down all the details, tool type, and measurements from a tool pre-seter. When you put the tool in the machine, you take the card of the tool and into a slot in a rack on the CNC that corresponds to the tool number in the CNC. That way you always know what tools are in the machine and what Tool to specify in CAM. It's intended for shops with multiple CNCs but there is no reason it wouldn't work for just one.
Have you seen the SNAP tools from HEULE. It chamfers holes from backside through the hole. Thanks for sharing.
How about having a tool rack on the table top with temp labeling or use sharpie?
Tool 15 is long make it T15 easier. Chips do damage the markings, so replace when it gets damaged. Nice vid as always Oh yeah induction heated tools burn off your tool markings aswell
Or 15 😮
thanks for sharing
The trick with the Canon PTouch is to print all the labels at once with a space or two between each, then cut them manually.
Tool 1 Tool 2 Tool 3
All the machine waste a lot of label for the cut-off process.
Very interesting, thank for sharing
I use a gold paint pen for most all of my tool marking. It works on both silver and black metals
The interesting thing for me is i would use the manual horizontal boring mill to machine both ends to get more practice, and Abom wants to use the CNC for more experience
Was thinking back in the old videos Adam never sounded as stressed in a machine shop as that C bore cut, lol. Breathe bud, breathe. 😅
I hope when the vice is finished you will share how many hrs you have in the process enjoy seeing it come together
12:44 It does "waste a lot" because it needs to feed a certain amount out in order to be able to cut off the printed label. You have set it for the shortest label length. You will still have the same amount of waste if you set it to regular length, but it will be equally divided between the label you just printed and the next label, so if you want to cut it to just longer than the text you would have to do that yourself after printing.
To stop the waste of label tape, have a look at the print dialog. I think you will find a couple of check boxes for Auto Cut and Chain Printing. Select both of those. That will then produce that first blank (needed to get the tape start properly laminated). Subsequent labels will be cut off when the next label is being printed. Last label can be cut off by the Cut button. For better label adhesion (if that proves to be a problem) try the High adhesion label stock.
As a professional computer programmer one of the simplest tools for preventing errors is good defaults. If you can tell fusion to use a sensible default depth for all your chamfers you won’t have to be gun shy about them. When you look over a program, it’s natural to glaze over a bit. So it helps to be able to preserve your attention for the bits that matter.
We have carts with numbered pockets to keep the tools organized when their not in the magazine.
I am curious how he is going to center the cutout with the bolt hole pattern on the other end. It will be parallel, but it also needs to be centered or it will bind up.
You are not looking for an easy way! very cool!
Darn I thought we would see some hard core machine work
Mounting the angle plate at 90 degrees would have kept it out of the way.
19:20 Put another label on the other side to cancel the imbalance. A use for the label clippings. Cut to size as needed.
Good stuff
Can the tool holders be laser etched somewhere?
Sounds like you need a tool cart!
We use wired tags at our shop There is enough room to add a gauge length,tool number,etc
Nice video!
Adam always comes across as a very sincere and well-meaning man.
Suggestion: Instead of labeling the tools, can't a rack be created out of wood, with labels on it, to store them? I don't think it would take much. That is, just like drill bits and other tools? I'm not a machine so perhaps there's something I'm missing.
Also, if the label tape is wrapped completely around the circumference of the tool, then that would seem to solve the out of balance condition. A slight overlap may help it's stay in place. At a very high speed it could still fly off.
I would create a stand alone carousel for the tools to fit in on the bench numbered the same way as the one in the machine. A description and maybe a photo of each tool on the bench carousel will remove any potential wrong placement.
Forget labels, use 3D printed tool tags! Best way to stay organised. Grimsmo and Pierson both use them and have videos showing how they do it.
Second that. MSC has the tool tags for various tool holder tapers and 3D print the Tag holders, embed strong magnets flush to the back and stick on machine enclosure.
You need a couple tool trays to set on your cart to hold tools as you make them up and when you are swapping tools in and out of machines.
Set your label maker to "Chain" when you're printing a lot of labels in a row and it won't generate all that waste. It's only the final label in the sequence that'll have to use the "feed & cut" to get the last one. Also look for the "serialize" setting if you're just making a sequence of numbers. It'll let you use the text Tool and then you can enter say I want the number to count from 1-8 and it'll print the whole sequence, pausing to cut between each one.
Adam, would the finish in cast iron nor be better if you used a 'fly cutter' like I have seen used to resurface automotive cylinderr heads?
That even gave me a little pucker factor lol
Extra deep chamfer for symmetry. 😂
Adam, white and Black paint markers is what i have used
I would be concerned about those labels as well. Perhaps some custom tray or stand with engraved text that will denote the place for each tool?
That's what we did for similar reasons... Small piece of plywood with holes and a couple lengths of 2x6 as legs. Then just write tool numbers next to each hole with a marker. You can go fancier, but it isn't necessary.
Nice work!! ... :-)
I think the video guys call that "stabilization" on that right frame there during the counterbore cut! :-)
nice video what camera are you using its amazing
Seems like it would have been a lot easier to move the setup than pulling all those tools? It wasn't even trammed in and it looked like an inch or two would have been all that was needed. Is there something else that im not considering that made removing the tools the better option?
Or mount the angle plate 90 degrees.
When using the shrinkfit-Haimler, do you need to remove the heater before you insert the tool? I know nothing about machining, besides what I've learned watching you and Tony do. So in my brain it would be simpler to install the toolbit while the heater is still over the part so you don't accidentaly burn yourself on it (I have a nerve damage on my hand and tend to burn myself easily).
Thank you for showing us the steps you take to learn. Makes it easier to stay with the steps as a noob.
so you did remember the 0.01" on the Chamfering
love it
You should check out John Grimsmo's recent uploaded video where he shows off his 3D-printed tool organization tabs and holders. It's pretty elaborate as he runs more production type CNC stuff, but it's pretty slick and seems dead simple.
Id say get a rack to hold your tools and label each location in the rack to correspond to the tool location in the mill.
An easy way to keep your tools organized while outside the machine would be to build a rack to put them in and label the rack
The easiest way to deal with the label imbalance if you need to is to print two labels and put them on 180 degrees from each other.