THE END OF RAMMSTEIN? Serious Accusations Against Till Lindemann
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- Rammstein is one of the most successful German bands of all time. Now, in the middle of their Europe Stadium Tour, the band's frontman Till Lindeman is facing heavy accusations, and step by step, witnesses and journalists are bringing a twisted system to light. So what exactly happened? What do we know as of right now? And what consequences does this have for the band? Let’s take a closer look.
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0:00 Accusations Against Till Lindemann
2:08 The Catalyst: Shelby's Story
7:11 More And More Women Come Forward
17:42 A Well-Known System
21:09 The Aftermath
33:34 Abuse of Power?
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Innocent untill proven guilty goes both ways. We can't assume Till is guilty and we can't assume the people making these claims are liars.
I don't think it matters if he done it or not. This girl was sending selfies and video to the band for a front row seat and after party invitation. What did she think that was for? Did she think it was all free because of her outstanding charm? She then proceeded to go to the show, drink and then acts shocked that she would end up in a back room with the lead singer. Sounds to me like she was a more than willing participant and now just trying to get a payday. These celebrities need to start getting waveirs signed from these skanks. She would have signed a waiver with 3 lawyers in the nude.
@@LogicallyKnot Jesus Christ...
@@criminallettucewraps5207
Jesus got nothing to do with groupies trying to get a payday.
@@criminallettucewraps5207if you don't think there's opportunistic hoes out there you're lacking brain cells.
@@LogicallyKnot let me explain how consent works. At any point you can say stop and the other person stops. You could be in mid thrust and if they say stop you stop.
We are not uncontrollable animals. You are responsible and capable of controlling yourself. If you can't then you are saying you can't make your own decisions and should be isolated until you can
Informative and not overly dramatic for such a serious story. Nice work and better than most media coverage.
Rammstein is a leftist group so this news is entirely unsurprising
I agree, still whole topic is just awful same as band videos but not surprising. Also, I can hardly understand those girls, someone writes you on ig that will give you tickets and invitation to private party for free and don't bring any male with you, and you are like why not, well that is a bit slutty acting, and I would bet that most bands and performers are doing the same thing on private party's. If they don't want other males, honey, they haven't pick you up to take a look at your new nails.
Are you joking? This is just a repetition of the worst media output re this 'case'. You find no true representation here; just bias narratives that have already weighed the lack of evidence in the light of infantilising narratives.
@@MikimauspojeokupusIf you had not said "slutty" acting but maybe "less privileged regarding the brains Department" acting, I might have agreed with you. But slutty implies asking for it and victims do not ask for SA etc, do they?
@@evada4144 Those persons are not kids, if someone is good looking, I bet their inbox is full of messages from random guys that would like to be with them,(but every one of them would say those are creeps) so they can distinguish potential danger situations. Some of them are victims, but some do it for they own interests and now saw a chance to get some money from it.
It looks like all charges were dropped due to lack of evidence.
That is correct. By order dated 29 August 2023, the Berlin public prosecutor's office discontinued the investigation against Till Lindemann due to a lack of sufficient suspicion.
UPDATE: According to Berliner Zeitung, which is a major newspaper in Germany, the Public Prosecutor’s Office has dropped all charges against Lindemann.
From the Newspaper...
"However, according to Lindemann's lawyers, there was not a single complaint officially filed by allegedly affected women against the band's front man. The public prosecutor's office in Berlin had nevertheless started its investigations because of an initial suspicion. The investigations have now been discontinued, as the authority confirmed to the Berliner Zeitung.”
I wonder if Feli will do a follow-up Video now....
Thank you for helping us Non-German speaking folks have a better understanding of this issue. Thank you so much Feli.
If you want an even better understanding of this issue, consider the fact that Rammstein is extremely leftwing then look at the sexual behavior of other leftwingers and it all starts to make a bit more sense
@@xstatic-ow5mz they are not extreme left wing 2nd im sure we could find as many centrist or right wingers
No. In fact all Rammstein members Support rather left politics. Although die Band it self self does not want to akt politically.
But I don't see the link to the sexuallylity of a person. As if everybody how is voting for left wing partys is a sexual abuser. That's insane.
@@xstatic-ow5mz bullshit kid
@@Glaaki13 you know nothing of Rammstein then. They are not rightwing or centrist
I just want to say, I super appreciate how you make Germany, German things, things like that accessible to us here in the United States. I’m a non-native German speaker, but I have a lot of friends who ask me a lot about things in Germany and stuff, and I always send them to your channel since it wouldn’t be fair for me to talk, since I am American, who just lived in Germany for a while.
Everything you need to know: Shelby Lynn and Kaya Loska ('Shyx') are hoaxes. Nothing out of the ordinary happened except one of them filled herself up with a combination of residual medicine and alcohol on top, while the other "saw" something in the darkness under her bed and, as a media- and influencing-professional, fabricated her wellknown story from that by which she cleverly implicated a Rammstein's rape-machinery scenario in people's heads.
Nothing happened to that women except what they did to themselfs, physically or psychologically, in Loska's cases intentionally for selfpromotion purposes.
What really happened is the instrumentalization of both women's stories by the leftidentitarian rage-collective and the despicably woke german mainstream media to destroy the next men's life and to push the leftgreen toxic agenda which poisons our society.
Public prosecution office in Lithuania recently closed the case on Rammstein/Lindemann because of no evidence, now we have to wait for results of the german investigations.
Radical Living as well but it's more Berlin based so not typically German. He does dress up as someone from Frankfurt, Stuttgart or Munich to contrast the difference between them and Berliners. The Frankfurt character was in a sharp blue suit and was all about making money. This is the typical person we think of when Germans are mentioned. That and the Swabians and Bavarians.
What are your thoughts now since investigations have been dropped?
Machst du hierzu eigentlich noch ein Richtigstellungsvideo oder bleibt das so stehen? Es sind ja inzwischen die Fakten auf dem Tisch.
Nö wir alle...ist ja nur interessant,wenn gelogen wird😢
Der Überblick, den du lieferst, ist besser als die meisten professionell zusammengestellten Panoramen in Deutschland. Respekt dafür! "Zehn Markennamen, die ihr falsch aussprecht"-Videos sind zwar ganz nett, aber ich fand schon immer, dass du mit denen unter deinem Potenzial bleibst. Betrachte beide Daumen als begeistert hochgereckt! 😀
I hadn’t heard about any of this in the American media. Thank you for your comprehensive reporting on it!
I know this is a very sensitive topic, but when any social media person intentionally tries to get special access because of whom they think they actually are, as I state she thinks she is the most important social media influencer and intentionally goes above and beyond to secure special access to… “fill in the blank” with any person, group or event and they intentionally try to create controversy to get the most “likes” in a world of how many clicks they individuals have shot, killed or various other acts to simply get click attention and not to anyone’s benefit, but to cause harm and conflict, because that is what drives the most “clicks”.. So, from living and concert venues since the early 1980’s “Everyone knows what back stage events are and mostly end up.” Look at videos of Fred Durst in the 2000’s getting groups,of girls to have the ugly chicks bang the security to get the hot chicks to the band and then either give blowjobs or a quickie in a back room, so for 40 plus years the world has known openly the antics of “backstage”, so in 2023 anyone that is shocked is a child and never grew up emotionally as an adult in the Music Industry… I don’t approve of use and abuse of anyone, but if you go,looking for something and find it, you can’t expect anyone to really care, when that is what you originally set out to do… going out to a club and looking for a one night stand, find and get the one night stand, then complain it wasn’t the perfect romantic Disney fairytale ending….
Feli can you please do a follow up on this on how all the charges have been dropped due to a lack of evidence....PLEASE AND THANK YOU.
She wont
aug 29th 2023 Till was cleared of all accusations due to lack of evidence he is now innocent.
Why should she? Do you Trust the Justice system that far? I dont. It Changes nothing.
@@Fardreamer42 The question is how far do you trust the media including TH-cam content? Feli's presentation is incredibly bias and just repeats media fabrications: nothing stands any real scrutiny. Feli is simply is throwing petrol on media BS, and forwarding urban myth, and not facts. The affidavits of Der Speigel never had any real legal weight - just sound good. Also, there are some far left unhinged politics milking money from this: the money that Feli proudly sent, will not go to 'victims of Rammstein' It is as simply as that! Anyone who actuate researches this beyond issue this shallow and entirely erroneous storytelling of Media sensational/BS for sales, and internet views, will find exculpatory info that is far more sober and based. There has been never any proof of SA. Just every changing stories, that ends in nothing concrete - and that the name of the game - keep everything out of reality checks and scrutiny, and in the land of hyperbole and fabrication. Ask yourself why Shelby Lyn was calling Till at 'paedo' before some ask the question, "how old are you"; then she de-escalated her accusation language to that an non-physical and minimal exchange.
Why would she? It goes against men and the truth.
how about an update , the case was dropped by lack off evidence
Thanks for giving us non-German speakers visibility into this issue. I would appreciate you doing this for other issues that get much more coverage in the German language press
Everything you need to know: Shelby Lynn and Kaya Loska ('Shyx') are hoaxes. Nothing out of the ordinary happened except one of them filled herself up with a combination of residual medicine and alcohol on top, while the other "saw" something in the darkness under her bed and, as a media- and influencing-professional, fabricated her wellknown story from that by which she cleverly implicated a Rammstein's rape-machinery scenario in people's heads.
Nothing happened to that women except what they did to themselfs, physically or psychologically, in Loska's cases intentionally for selfpromotion purposes.
What really happened is the instrumentalization of both women's stories by the leftidentitarian rage-collective and the despicably woke german mainstream media to destroy the next men's life and to push the leftgreen toxic agenda which poisons our society.
Public prosecution office in Lithuania recently closed the case on Rammstein/Lindemann because of no evidence, now we have to wait for results of the german investigations.
Avoid Colonel Kurtz's channel unless you want to hear victim blaming especially of Shelby. It was the first English language videos I turned to. It was sickening.
Nobody wants to read or hear of scandals of their musical idols. Hey, I even found some bad stuff about Phil Collins. He admitted to becoming an alcoholic in later life following the divorce from his third wife. In the early days of Genesis they would smoke cannabis together. I won't deny this or say Collins is completely blameless like Rammstein fans are over Till Lindemann.
@@lemsip207 No, the channel is insightful. Let her watch the videos and build her own opinion.
Colonel kurtz is running a business selling affirmation for incels and misogynists. It's the same business model as all those "classical musician reacts to metal" type channels. Exploiting the target audience's deep insecurities and need for external validation.
Of course it's easy to find women who went to Rammstein after parties and weren't pressured for sex. Abusers aren't abusers most of the time. Of course Shelby is a flaky witness (she's the kind of person who gets given deep backstage access by a random woman on instagram and doesn't think it sounds a bit dodgy). Being a bit flaky and suggestible is pretty much a requirement in order to fall for the kind of con that is being alleged. None of this means anything. It's all whataboutery and victim blaming.
@@mowogfpv7582 Thank you. I commented on her page that she should apply to be a Honey Badger with A Voice For Men the foremost men's rights organisation so we could all see her for who she is. Alison Tiernan is the top Honey Badger. There is also Karen Straughan. They are apologists for the MRAs and speak at their conference.
I accidentally found myself in the manosphere 12 years ago and got myself out of it thanks to warnings from people I knew. Now I only go to the We Hunted The Mammoth blog which was set up by David Futrelle to expose it.
Shelby isn't the perfect victim but I am prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt until there is a thorough investigation. She might have made some wrong moves such as delaying getting her drink tested or turning to social media but she did involve the police.
About 7 months ago you explained the energy crisis in Germany. I wrote a reaction to express my admiration, because it was like a whole team of specialists had been working for weeks on the subject, but in fact it was just you.
Well, Feli, this time with Rammstein, you surpassed yourself. I have seen several professional reviews on this item, but you beat them all. All aspects are mentioned, deep and clear and objective, with the right feelings for the victims.
I know it took a lot of hard work, but after that, to make it a presentation like this, proves you've got a world class talent.
Thank you so much.
You said it perfectly.
A team of producers, researchers, content directors...all feeding a so called journalist the script to say, Feli produces a far superior report and video.
Not to in any way discount her immense talent and true moral desire to be objective, but this exposes that the media is all about pushing their agenda and not informing.
Victims? Of what? They claimed to be victims. So far, that's all. Proof me wrong. Are you the judge or, american-like, the jury? I don't think so!
what a perfect comment! Totally agree on this one
@@praefectusvigilum6997 Maybe they haven't done anything illegal and nothing can be proven, but the whole story is pretty disgusting, dont u agree?
A lot of information has come since (and honestly even before) this video that discredits the Vilnius incident, and nobody is actually accusing Rammstein/Till of sexual abuse... This looks more and more like a media hit job to me after looking into it more. The fact that Der Spiegel's huge cover story on this was just completely discredited by a court in Hamburg is a big red flag.
Sorry, I like Feli too, but this is not professional journalism. Too much readily-available, public information is omitted, and very little fact is presented.
The investigation of Till Lindemann has been closed. Now what? Will someone apologize? I know that is a bit snarky but there are many risks of being a public figure. I personally hope this whole saga now dies a quiet death. I hope we have all learned something.
No need to bei sorry, Lindemann ist still a creepy lustgreis, the state Just cant prove it. I dont Trust the state. I dont Trust cops. I dont Trust the Justice system. It Changes nothing...
I respectfully disagree. Many TH-camrs use a clever system, and they hide the real content the public sees from the victim. This will not die a quiet death, because now Till knows.
For one the initial accusation was having a drink spiked and the ability to be able to prove that for sure was nonexistent from the jump if there was any truth to it being GHB considering the detection window is 12 hours so there would be next to no chance to scientifically substantiate her claim about a drink being messed with if it was true. The girl saying she was drugged to her complaint to the Lithuanian police and they declined to investigate it anyways. So doesn’t say a ton with her claims considering the substance would’ve been out of her system anyways but wasn’t even investigated.
As for the other claims since people came forward anonymously they dropped their case. Not super encouraging to come forward publicly when the bands well known shark legal team is threatening to sue any accusers. But I’m cool to accept none of the criminal stuff occurred. But the dude isn’t owed any apologies because their party system even if legal is extremely predatory behavior by recurring attractive young women for the parties to then face the pressure of being provided copious amounts of alcohol and someone extremely famous who would’ve wanted to have sex. It’s not a new practice obviously - it’s been super common for the music industry to do things like they have and yeah it’s legal but it’s not an ok behavior. Dude at best exhibits predatory behavior to seek sexual partners at their shows and even if committing no crimes puts himself in situations like these where false accusations could exist but even so it’s concerning behavior all the same.
And you use TH-cam sh1t @@AurorasaSima
I Personally like Rammstein and have attended a concert of theirs here in Toronto many moons ago, I like the music Much I like the fact for the most part I know not of what it is about it just sounds Great and if by chance They had decided to do an English language version I am sure it would not be anything at all it would have lost its Soul I am sure! I listen to it often have some of the swag and CDs : ) I too Hope that everone takes notes here and takes the necessary steps to avoid a repeat, All Means All
I really appreciate the work into providing non-German speaking audiences the information provided. It really shows the gap in information from German news to English. Thank you Feli.
This video is really great, and not only for non-German-speakers! Admittedly, I (a German myself) haven't put a lot of time into learning about the whole Rammstein controversy, but from the videos I have seen, this one here by Feli is by far the best researched, least sensational (in tone), most detailed, and most neutral/balanced one I have seen on this topic.
@Feli I really appreciate all of the work you must have put into this, and how well you keep your personal opinion to the last part of the video, while laying out the facts and allegations as neutrally as can be!
How is the information provided in English different from the information in this video?
UPDATE: According to Berliner Zeitung, which is a major newspaper in Germany, the Public Prosecutor’s Office has dropped all charges against Lindemann.
From the Newspaper...
"However, according to Lindemann's lawyers, there was not a single complaint officially filed by allegedly affected women against the band's front man. The public prosecutor's office in Berlin had nevertheless started its investigations because of an initial suspicion. The investigations have now been discontinued, as the authority confirmed to the Berliner Zeitung.”
I wonder if Feli will do a follow-up Video now....
Just found your content thanks to Tank the Tech. I've been a fan of Rammstein for a LOOOOONG time and it breaks my heart to see something like this being brought to light about guys that (up until recently) were always portrayed a very decent people that cared for others. Thank you for giving it a thorough evaluation, for translating the things we non-German speakers don't understand, and for being as matter-of-fact as one can possibly be about this kind of situation. Have a wonderful day!
@@Xac1sWHY would these girls and women make up stories like this??? Especially the ones who have remained anonymous? What good would it bring them to make up such stories??? I have been a HUGE Rammstein fan for over 20 years now, but I lean toward believing the accusations bc no one in her right mind would subject herself to the public scrutiny and hate (even death threats!) for 15 minutes of fame! The fact that SO many different females have come forward with the same experiences lends credence to these allegations being true. I hate it, bc I love Rammstein’s music and have for decades, but I refuse to be one of those people who victim shames or refuses to believe victims of SA JUST bc the alleged abuser is “famous”. 🙄
I already wrote this more verbosely elsewhere, so I'll be brief here:
If there's a song you HATE and you keep hearing it on the radio and it makes you HATE it even more, but then you learn that the singer is the most amazing human being ever, does that make you suddenly like that song? Of course not! By the same token, if there are songs that you love, but you find out that the person singing them is a horrible human being, that shouldn't suddenly make you not like those songs anymore! As a society, we used to KNOW this!! It used to be VERY common for people for people to absolutely love various songs by various bands, despite how much they hated the band/ members of that band. These days, however, that knowledge has become lost and forgotten, overshadowed by the cancel culture overtaking our better sense!
If you like song 'x' by band 'y' then you like it. End of story. You don't need to make excuses for it and you don't need to make excuses for the singer/ the band. You're allowed to love a song, but hate its singer.
I find it odd that anyone would go out of their way to get into these "after party's" seemingly not knowing what goes on, I mean it's been well known for 50+ years.
Why would they need to drug anyone? There are plenty of girls that would jump at the chance....Just saying.
Anyway if she was wronged I hope she finds justice.
@jskyg68 My thoughts too! "After parties" with bands have been a thing since concerts were created. I don't get the drugs, I bet there are plenty of women who would do anything these guys asked anyway, and it would be consentual. But please.... don't pretend you "didn't know" what the parties were all about. That's straight up willful ignorance.
@@kevinjackson3680 I just found this here on YT.
"Exclusive Interview: Rammstein Witness Says There's Something Very Wrong With the Accuser's Story"
Als jemand, der hier in Deutschland die ganze Sache verfolgt, natürlich auch Kaylas und Rezos Videos gesehen hat und auch sonst sehr viel darüber gelesen und gesehen hat, muss ich wirklich sagen, dass dein Video die beste Zusammenfassung bietet. Wirklich stark! Auch wenn man gute Vorbereitung und Recherche von deinen Videos gewohnt ist, war ich über die Ausführlichkeit mehr als positiv überrascht.
Danke für deine Arbeit!
Das muss man wirklich sagen. "Made in Germany... in the US" ;-)
I have to agree. This is the best summary that I have seen since the first news broke and that includes all videos that she has referenced to (of course some of the other videos had more special venues they were following). Great summary if you haven't followed all of the story up to this date and want a somewhat comprehensive overview.
Kann mich nur anschließen ! Danke für die Arbeit Feli! ❤
ich wollte gerade quasi (zumindest inhaltlich) genau dasselbe posten; Kompliment, du tolle Feli 😙
Das stimmt echt. Ich hab auch noch Dinge erfahren die ich noch nicht kannte. Obwohl man in Deutschland ja quasi an der Quelle der Informationen sitzt. Sehr gut gemacht 👍🏻
Yeah, she mixed vodka, redbull and sparkling wine, also tequilla. She might want to stay sober instead.
I appreciate you using the word "allegedly"I was falsely accused right after I left the hospital for surgery and she and her husband knew that i was prescribed a strong pain med and she offered to do some things for a few of my pills but her husband came flying through the back door like he just walked in on us doing something and at the moment I thought he heard her but by the time I got back home I had sexual assault charges for simply talking to them and nothing about sex at all! The judge could see right through their plan and my lawyer ended up looking like a genius and my woman at the time stood by me with 100%support. I truly hope they just made it up but all that alcohol who knows what happened? Love your work and your beautiful accent! 🫶 From Pittsburgh
Verdict came in, Till is innocent and the woman was lying. A lot of sick people exist, that just want to get fame and/or money. The lying woman literally had "the girl that was roofied by Rammstein" in her Twitter bio.. that tells you everything you need to know about that sick wench.
Excellent job putting this together, analyzing the information and explaining it to the non-German speaking crowd. Thank you for making it make sense.
Everything you need to know: Shelby Lynn and Kaya Loska ('Shyx') are hoaxes. Nothing out of the ordinary happened except one of them filled herself up with a combination of residual medicine and alcohol on top, while the other "saw" something in the darkness under her bed and, as a media- and influencing-professional, fabricated her wellknown story from that by which she cleverly implicated a Rammstein's rape-machinery scenario in people's heads.
Nothing happened to that women except what they did to themselfs, physically or psychologically, in Loska's cases intentionally for selfpromotion purposes.
What really happened is the instrumentalization of both women's stories by the leftidentitarian rage-collective and the despicably woke german mainstream media to destroy the next men's life and to push the leftgreen toxic agenda which poisons our society.
Public prosecution office in Lithuania recently closed the case on Rammstein/Lindemann because of no evidence, now we have to wait for results of the german investigations.
Learn to sprechen zie Deutscher bitter?
@@chrismitchell4808😂
I agree! I wasn’t initially interested in the story but the presentation was so intriguing and effective in helping to learn German by interweaving both languages with coordinating translations. Cultivating a listening ear for a foreign language has been helpful.
Rule of thumb - if a band wants to meet you, there's more appropriate ways for them to meet fans. If a band invites you backstage AND you're an attractive female, there's a good chance it's not just for a friendly meet-up. Bands can have booths (the way I've met many band members) at events. Many of them were very friendly off-stage. If they really want to get to know you, then they'll probably invite you to one of their sessions or ask you to hang out with them at a bar or social event. Think of the backstage as a dressing room.
Also, ladies - if a band invites you on their tour bus, SAY NO!!!!! if you genuinely want to hook up with one of them, do it in a safe place like a reputable hotel. And please don't think you have a chance of a permanent relationship with a traveling band member if you just met. Build a friendship first to vet them.
This goes for both sexes: if someone wants to lead you to a very quiet, out-of-the-way place meant for isolation, SAY NO. Nothing good happens in a place engineered for that level of quiet & isolation. If you need to go through a second, secluded entry door, RUN!!
Sounds like you just didn't listen. As the German TH-camr Kayla described, she and their friend were told they were invited to the after party. At that point, it was normal to assume that wannabe casting director was talking about the official after party with lots of people. There were only a few seconds from waiting in front of the official after party to being escorted into a small backstage room and finding themselves in a completely different situation than the one which would have make sense to expect.
Also, the Irish girl Shelby who started all this explicitly asked if that meeting was about sex and she was told that it isn't.
Naive victims are really not the problem here. Stop that stupid victim blaming.
@@juschu85they were both - Shelby and Lynn - stating that there refusal was accepted and they left
@@juschu85 you sure are naive...
@@juschu85you are dense aren’t you
@@juschu85 I was offering preventative advice based on experience at concerts so no one else gets hurt. I’m grateful the women weren’t held hostage. It could have been much worse.
Aug 29th he was cleared of all accusations due to lack of evidence so he's innocent.
Ive worked in the music industry, touring with well over 20 bands in my 13 years plus as a tour manager and merchandiser, as well as worked in and around every genre as a house stagehand since I could literally get my hands on it. Certainly the topic of sexual misconduct is unfortunately an aspect in almost any job setting, but even more so in entertainment, when the overall objective is simply to have fun. When situations like this evolve, I do hear and see a lot of people claiming that these actions are common in the music world. But I can assure first hand, they are not common. A time may have existed way back when, where groupies and band dudes had this common grounds of consent and blurred lines, but that time has thankfully long passed. Hence why now when women are asked in such strange manners to attend weird meet ups with people they dont know, they dont always recognize the signs that could lead to not good places. For any one person involved here, or any where, who use their positions of power or publicity, as a tool for this level of access is shameful. I can only hope that due diligence is served on a hearty platter for us all to learn from. And very well put together video, great work!
And yet they still willingly participated, do you srsly need explaining that women throw themselves at bands??? What's next, open the lid on Motley Crue?! Groupies have ALWAYS been around, only difference now is there's plenty of women ready to jump on the bandwagon for easy money, that coupled with the namby pamby snowflake era that is now cursed upon us and it's trial by social media and the snowflakes are ALWAYS correct, even when they're wrong 🙄 Before you go all superior on me, I've done pit and stage security for some of the biggest names out there, Metallica, Prodigy etc etc and always had a stream of women begging to get back stage
Isn't it supposed to be a two-way street, though? A lot of people probably want to have sex with famous people, and famous people want to have sex with hot people. I thought these parties and groupies were a way for this to happen.
Of course it should be! But I dont think the topic is around consenting adults. By all means if two or more people agree to situations then good on all people involved. And for sure these sorts of parties can and do happen. Its when its not openly known and a sense of trickery is going on to get people in these rooms together, is when I for sure have an issue. I have seen consenting adults do their thing. Im very glad ive never personally witnessed predatory situations within any camp Ive been involved with. And have a great sense of what we would all do if we did.
Given the News Update that ALL charges against Lindemann were dropped, the real shame - once again - is how quickly people used mob justice instead of careful research…not just on the accused, but also on the accusers. NONE of these women filed an official claim against Lindemann, which does seem a bit strange, considering the gravity of sich a situation.
Not a single shred of evidence was found.
Lindemann - just like Johnny Depp - is completely innocent according to the law.
Yet I’m willing to bet, now that the damage was done, neither Feli, nor others will make a follow up video - putting Lindemann in a more positive light.
Thanks for putting this info out. It has been a struggle to find real info on this over here in the US. Let alone anything in english.
That was exactly what I thought. There's so much in German but not in English. I'm glad it's helpful 😊
"Echte Informationen" das ist allgemein das Problem
"Real information" that's generally the problem
Eidesstattliche Versicherung einer Zeitung gegenüber ist: Nichts. Kein rechtlicher Vorgang.
Affidavit to a newspaper is: Nothing. No legal process.
@@FelifromGermany I'm Interested In Your Recent Report So Please Keep Us Upto Date
@@FelifromGermany Well, Rammstein and Lindemann are two pairs of shoes. A band member had already partially distanced himself from Lindemann and the public prosecutor's office had already been added. According to the so-called band member (Christof Schneider), Till Lindemann even had his own after-show party separate from Rammstein. (Source: TH-cam WBS Legal)
Das hier ist detaillierter und strukturierter als jede deutsche Zusammenfassung. Danke, Feli.
Musste ich auch gerade kommentieren. Ich war richtig überrascht, was für detaillierte Infos hier kamen. Da können andere TH-camr sich auf jeden Fall eine Scheibe von abschneiden.
Aber hallo
Rezo hat ebenfalls gut eingeordnet.
@@NoldorianElf Das mit dem Musiker am Anfang habe ich zum ersten mal gehört
@@NoldorianElf Ja, hat er! Da hatte ich eine richtige epiphany bei seinen Schlussworten. Das war sehr klar auf den Punkt gebracht und hat mich damit auch etwas, wie er sich ja ausdrückt, aus dem Leben gekickt. Aber was Fakten angeht, Nennung von Namen, wer ist wer, was genau sind die Anschuldigungen (wirklich mit Namen auch belegt und mit Quelle), das habe ich bisher nur in diesem Video in der Genauigkeit und dem Faktentum (falls es das Wort nicht gibt, sorry) gehört.
Fast forward three months: three different law enforcement agencies in three different countries have decided there is absolutely no basis for a criminal investigation against Till, and Shelby is currently being investigated in Lithuania. Wonder when you'll bother mentioning THAT.
I agree. The problem with false accusations is that the results aren’t as published as the accusations. Most of the public still believes that Mr. Lindemann is a rapist. Was it true, I would be in the front lines against him, but it happens that he’s proven innocent by the justice and almost nobody is talking about it.
Yeah, do you really Trust the Justice system?
Loads more than the media. who have lied, lied and lied to make an un-factual, hysterical story to sell copy for those not interested in facts but a reactive moral hit - welcome to your drug of 'choice!'
When you have papers writing, (paraphrase) "sex so quick that you didn't notice", re Lindemann, then you know they're not writing a serious and factual article!
Already dropped, witness came out saying the accusers were full of shit so this entire milking of drama can stop now
Im a former Rock DJ. This has been going on since Ive known about it in the 80's and it was a "thing" way before then. Men and women all knew about what happened at the After Parties. Its not just as rock thing either. Rap, Country, and all forms of music have this going on behind the scenes. Groupies and Road Crew have always walked around with Back Stage Passes, giving them out to pretty girls. I knew of many girls who kept their wits about them, and walked away from offers they didn't want or need. They knew not to take drinks or drugs they were not sure of. Many celebrities and those around them become slime, given enough time to feed their egos. As a Rammstein fan.....well, I'm kinda shocked. Even though they look like Hell, they have always seemed Socially Aware on topics like the environment, equal rights, personal freedoms, and many other things. Just goes to show what good PR people can do for an image.
It reminds me of crazy stories I've heard about rock bands from the 70s. I guess it still goes on for some bands :(
@@voodoolilium Some?
@@voodooliliumIt's no different with folk music and hits (Volksmusik und Schlager) 🤔.
Idk no about equality, have you not seen the poem about r*pe?
When I was a kid (USA), things like this would occasionally happen with Contemporary Christian Music.
Being separated from their phones is a bad sign. If you are at a legitimate after-party, you'd like photos to prove you were there.
Also, if you are being singled out to meet this guy based on nothing but your photo, what do you have to "trade" to repay this "honor".
But the drugging part is where it truly becomes evil, where you lose control against your will.
I mean, people also come up to celebrities to get their autographs because they love them... and want to sell signed merch for easy profit. It's a thing.
People are way too attached to their phones nowadays, the reason Rammstein as a band and Lindemann as a solo singer make people put away their phones is the same reason Kvarforth wouldn't let you film an entire Shining show on your phone they'd all like you to be present at the event rather than collect clout
@@friday26thLet’s not be naive. Only chicks being invited based on their looks, then cutting them off from their personal contacts. It’s all pretty sketchy.
@@CJ_Raider was strictly commenting on the phones part. The official after-parties of the band have that too apparently and no ones complained about those.
But yeah groupies and sleaze acts are common or were common for rock stars that's undeniable
It's mind-boggling to me people are so willing to believe the drugging rumours. It would be incredibly stupid for a band to drug random people they do not know at a concert, especially one like Rammstein where people are likely to have taken any number of substances, including possible hard drugs. Serious medical problems and even death are a likely outcome, not to mention possible allergies or reactions with meds people may have taken. Hence, it is virtually impossible imo that they would be doing this and even if they were so stupid, something would have happened by now.
This is just my opinion, obviously, but it seems to me people get too drunk and regret/forget the choices they made in retrospect, or are embarrassed and then rationalise it by claiming or thinking they were spiked.
I was on a few after party's on different Bands and solo artists. And they always only ask for no pictures of the crowds without asking permission. That meant, ask the certain celebrity if you can make a picture together. But they never said give your phone!
Honestly I was surprised on one party I got invited to, that there was nothing sexual about it. Because the celebrity was known to being touchy 😂😉. I was asked by himself if I wanted to come, so I was prepared and didn't drink anything 😅. But he was nothing but sweet and we had a nice talk 😂, maybe he senced there wouldn't be a chance.
Rammstein helped define my high school years and even some of college. I don't know that I wouldn't have learned any German if not for Rammstein, but they certainly catalyzed my interest. To this day, I still consider them one of my favorite bands of all time.
To this day... Until this day....
This hits hard. I hope it's not true, but I won't defend him without being sure that he's innocent, which I'm not. Sex parties are fine, but only if all of the people involved know what they're doing and want it.
Gotta say, I wasn't expecting to come home from work to this.
th-cam.com/video/O2Klt_hnq0Y/w-d-xo.html
I moved to England three months ago from Northern Ireland. I just seen the story and it made me drop my jaw I know Selby and she's known to be a compulsive liar she's well known for attention-seeking. she was friends of friends but I never bothered talking to her just one of those people you don't want to be friends with.she also accused someone of sexually assaulting her but everyone knows she was too drunk and also he was secretly in the closet at the time and because she wasn't getting any attention from him. she's just messed up in the head.
I fault the Berlin PD for this rampage of rumor. Why didn't they check Selby out before starting the investigation? One phone call to your hometown would have given them pause. Instead, the investigation was announced, and the German media jumped on and became rumore mills spreading rumors. Even Feli spread the rumors here, rumors presented as factual news. Lindeman's apartment and Rammstein's office in Berlin were vandalized. Rammstein had to spend a fortune on lawyers. Germany has always had problems with rumors. This time Lindeman's law firm has stifled the media. The truth will out, but until it does, be aware of how rumors work. This was bad for German feminism, for German media, and for German justice. Other girls brought charges? Berlin PD said they had no evidence.
Feli can you please at least pin a comment that updates your viewers? Cause many of your viewers still dont know that the chares were dropped and one of the accusers admitted to lying. It would only be fair to rammstein and more importantly every actual SA victim
She unfortunately won’t because it doesn’t fit the feminist narrative. All men are bad - especially if they’re rockstars, and doubly so if they’re howaite.
In the meantime, there’s been another update. Now it was proven that Shelby Lynn was under heavy alcohol and drug influence-even before she arrived at the venue.
So yet another accusation point is now completely dismissed, thereby further strengthening the evidence for Lindemann’s complete innocence.
As a Rammstein listener this makes me sad, unfortunately as a person not surprised.
Given this was my first time hearing about these latest allegations, thank you Feli for your excellent reporting and honesty.
This is why I like this channel, even when the topic is difficult.
If your needing a replacement try oomph and eisenbrecher
This is all BS Till never did anything like that.
@@mntsrck1we cant know that
@mntsrck1 my bad didn’t realize you were there. I’ll wait for that testimony
@@mntsrck1I agree I think most of it is BS I've been seeing so much bull crap accusation I don't trust Western women in general.
Thank you for this breakdown in English, Feli. As a non-native German speaker living in Austria, I see a huge discrepancy between the amount of coverage of this case here vs abroad (e.g. in English and in the language of my home country). Especially because of the band's international fame, this should be talked about everywhere and in all languages.
Yes it should be talked about far and wide. Everyone needs to be aware of the behavior of leftists like Lindemann
@@xstatic-ow5mz Arseholes are arseholes, has nothing to do with left or right.
@@xstatic-ow5mz What have Lindemann's alleged left-wing political leanings got to do with this? The kind of behaviour he is alleged to have engaged in is wholly unacceptable, but it has nothing to do with anyone's political leanings. Trump is now legally defined as a sexual predator, but that doesn't automatically also make all on the extreme right sexual predators.
@xstatic-ow5mz leftists lol
Ah yes, smear someone with no evidence everywhere. Smart!
Rammstein’s Till Lindemann Cleared of Sexual Assault Allegations
No.
@@fora474 Hi, everyone! Here is the press release from Berlin Public Prosecutor's office regarding Till Lindemann:Press release: Investigation against Rammstein singer discontinued
Press release 29.08.2023
The public prosecutor's office in Berlin has closed an investigation against Till Lindemann, the singer of the band "Rammstein", on suspicion of committing sexual offences as well as violations of the Narcotics Act. The evaluation of the available evidence - in particular the press coverage relating to anonymous whistleblowers, as well as the supplementary questioning of witnesses - has not revealed any indications that the accused performed sexual acts on women against their will, administered substances that influence or eliminate their will, or exploited a power imbalance against underage sexual partners in order to Sexual intercourse to move.
The investigation was initiated on the basis of third-party complaints in connection with press coverage. The statements of witnesses reproduced in the press coverage have not been confirmed by the investigation.
So far, alleged victims have not turned to the law enforcement authorities, but only to journalists - even after the investigation became known - who in turn have invoked their right to refuse to testify. It was therefore not possible to sufficiently substantiate any allegations, nor was it possible to gain an impression of the credibility of the alleged victims and the credibility of their statements in the course of interrogations.
The statements of the witness Kyla Shyx, who had initially made allegations via "TH-cam", remained too vague in the interrogations - especially since the witness could not describe her own experience of criminally relevant incidents. The circumstances described by her either constituted conclusions from observations or were described to her by others. Other persons named by the witness are said to have either not observed anything criminally relevant or were not named in a sufficiently identifiable manner and could not be named by further police investigations. A direct interrogation was therefore not possible.
The Lithuanian authorities have refused to initiate an investigation into the incident known from the media to the detriment of the person calling himself Shelby Lynn in the vicinity of the band Rammstein's concert in Vilnius on May 22, 2023. The Berlin public prosecutor's office had documents from the Lithuanian authorities. These were evaluated. Here, too, there were no concrete factual indications of sexual offences by the accused. In any case, the origin of a hematoma alone does not allow any conclusion to be drawn about such an act or about a specific accused. Contradictory information was provided on the result of a drug test initiated by the witness herself, the result itself was not available. In addition, there were no indications from the documents of any involuntary ingestion of narcotics or non-consensual sexual intercourse or sexual acts in the unresistant Condition.
The allegation of sexual abuse of adolescents about a young woman who allegedly entered into a sexual relationship with the accused as a 15-year-old (shortly before the age of sixteen) could also not be substantiated. This witness also remained anonymous and therefore could not be questioned.
There are no criminally relevant indications of violations of the Narcotics Act.
Due to media reports, charges had been filed against the tour manager for allegedly bringing young women into the backstage area at concerts. In this respect, there were also no indications of conduct relevant under criminal law. The proceedings against them were therefore terminated in the same way.
Charges have been dropped....
Very great overview of this situation and very well presented. I highly recommend you create a separate channel for covering global news topics as I love how you present any topic you cover; it’s very logical and reasoned, and that’s something we need more than anything right now. You’ve always been great at making well researched, engaging quality videos, but this one demonstrates you have a talent for breaking down and sharing news. Having a background in military broadcast journalism, and being one of your very early subscribers, I really appreciate the work you do, Feli.
Everything was dismissed because they had no evidence to prosecute him!
Thanks so much for posting this video and for summarizing all of this!
Well put.
Danke für diese internationale Version der Awareness-Schaffung.
Its sad how people thought they were guilty without knowing IT. Medias mostly wrote about Bad Things while many people said this things didnt happened but media ignored. They even Made IT Look Like that this having erotic fun with Fans would be Bad.
I believe the term is "Put up or shut up". If you have proof, take it to court. If not, shut the hell up.
So the bruises.. Being in the front rows of a show like that gets you bruises. Whatever she was drugged with might have contributed to the severity of the bruising. But this shit is horrifyingly common in the music industry, whether it's performers being assaulted and abused by industry reps, agents, managers, and so on or fans being assaulted by performers. The worst part of this is that if they just put out a call for volunteers to bang, they'd probably get dozens of people eager to do it. There's no need for this kind of sick shit.
She wasn't in the mosh pit, but sitting in a front row. She shouldn't have had bruises like that. It's possible she did get pressed up hard against the railing that usually separates the seats from the pit at most venues, though, as that bruise looks a lot like a bar or pipe hit her in the belly. When you're drugged, you have less reaction time, & your muscles are lax. She probably could barely hold herself upright.
Funny that Rammstein got me.into learning German and your channel popped up when I was looking for content to expand my knowledge, and here we are. So sad it was for this topic
Same here
Found your channel through this case, excellent video. I’ll be watching your other videos!
People continue to point out the German prosecutors closing the case due to their inability to substantiate the allegations with evidence but leave out important context of the full situation. The lack of evidence they cited was because they didn’t have direct testimony from any accusers to continue pursuing an investigation since the accusations of sexual assault were anonymous. But one must consider the full context of why they don’t have that direct public testimony. The two women who said anything public about him were slapped with cease and desist actions by his attorneys for saying anything publicly. It’s not exactly encouraging to accusers to come forward publicly knowing that if they do they’ll immediately be facing legal consequences from his legal team if they were to speak out. Everything media or otherwise that has spoken negative of him has been chased down with legal action by his attorneys - not exactly an environment that encourages people to come forward about their experiences. Hence the power imbalance being so immense because how can he face any amount of evidence if anybody who chooses to do so immediately get attacked by his legal team? But despite it all even if legal the behavior is problematic and predatory anyways.
Darn. I grew up idolizing Rammstein and they sparked my interest in all things German. By the way, you remained so calm when reporting about such a serious and disturbing story. I am used to news people screaming and spitting unproven allegations as fact on our major networks.
Such issues are not "unproven allegations", perpetrators ruin their own reputations. Granted there's the presumption of innocence until proven guilty so I hope Till spends the rest of his life in prison if it is true (a small percentage of cases go unreported). However, people like you saying a girl or woman reports SA to ruin a boy's or man's life like Brock Turner's judge *is* an unproven allegation.
Presumption of innocence??? Courts convict- not you.
If your needing a replacement try oomph and eisenbrecher
@@mrfuriouser as in the courts say all suspects are innocent until proven guilty. Since so many SA cases go unreported any accused IMO are guilty until proven innocent.
@@FaceItGrace I'm sorry for whatever happened to you, but innocent until proven guilty is of utmost importance to keeping a free society. I agree that perpetrators of sex crimes deserve the most harsh punishment allowed. Period. That, certainly, includes celebrities.
Vielen Dank, dass du die ganze Affäre so hervorragend für die angloamerikanische Welt aufbereitet und erklärt hast.
welche Affäre lol
Weil ne Boarderliner/Onlyfans Olle Aufmerksamkeit braucht?
@@leaspauli7807hast du dir das Video überhaupt angesehen???
then you should give "colonel kurtz" a chance ! ;-) ... but generally the americans are better then the germans.
[ system : aufgussvomaufgussvomaufguss ] lol
@@thalia2576 th-cam.com/video/UZ1ACKmEASM/w-d-xo.html
@@leaspauli7807 Vor allem weil die meisten anonym bleiben wollen- erfolgreiche Strategie nach dem neuesten Schrei... Ist übrigens nicht nur eine. Wir werden sehen, ob Herr Lindemann unschuldig ist, oder nicht. Da sind Vorwürfe aufgetaucht und denen wird nachgegangen. Weder die Frauen noch Lindemann darf man hier vorschnell verurteilen. Das Urteil liegt weder in unserer Macht, noch in unserem Recht.
Let us hope that the investigation by the Berlin prosecutor's office will bring clarity to this; and difficult as it may be given the outpouring of statements and allegations, we have to go along with the presumption of innocence until something is proven. Meantime we have to remember that Rammstein is a band and not one person, and that their music stands by itself.
Let`s hope so. Allegations and accusations, that later were withdraw or false destroyed prominent carriers before. (like Johnny Depp or Kevin Spacey). That is why Rammstein drummer but his own statement ( for all the other members I guess. Cause if true this would be the end of The Rammstein, but even at this point the band`s future hang in balance.
All the crap should be put on the accused AFTER one is proved guilty but In youtube era verdict is often made in mass histeria first reaction.
Before any conclusion from German`s court it would be nice if people stay cool.
@@kopczasDepp and Spacey cases not the same at all.
Good lord. Has nobody heard of groupies? Thats the whole point of getting close and friendly with musicians at shows, particularly rock and metal bands.
Thank you for the full breakdown. Saw them last year before knowing about these accusations and the more than I hear the worse that feeling in my gut gets. Seeing the full picture really seems to point towards this not being a good outcome.
Really nice end. It's very important that people like You show their opinion, it opens the public debate and makes people aware. I know the channel is not all about such topics, but still great and important job, Feli! You have a balanced opinion and You try to show different point of view. Keep it going, greetings from Poland!
She makes some good points, but I disagree the premise that Til a celebrity and has some responsibility. Til has a responsibility to not break the law and that's it. As far as we know none of them were under age. These women are not his employees. They're appears to be no violence or threat of violenc. And their free to leave whenever they like. The reason for their to be a problem, is if one of those terms is violated.
BTW: For those unaware...
The charges have been dropped, due to insufficient evidence the court dismissed the allegations and withdrew the charges!
That doesn't mean nothing happened, and if there is dirt then it will eventually be unearthed... But for now they are innocent and relieved of their legal woes!
It also doesn't mean something happened.
very well put. excellent research and maybe even the best video about the whole topic in english. thanks a lot for the great work
Thanks for the breakdown. I don't think this kind of behavior is anything new. Motley Crue had a contest where band members went without showers and competed to see how long they could go before their groupies said no, for example.
If there was nonconsensual sex, someone should go to prison for it. It's especially disgusting when there are probably literally hundreds of women at every show who would gladly give consent.
There’s no such thing as nonconsensual sex. That’s called rape for a reason & let’s stick with it please.
And it’s disgusting either way. Doesn’t matter if other women would gladly give consent or not.
@@MsAaannaaa If it's true. Alas, for all the sensationalists and pearl worriers, Rammstein's lawyers have release a statement saying that Berlin Police have found that all the complainants who came forward have made the stories up. They were not first person accounts, but click and paste of other stories on the 'net. If they have signed affidavits as Feli says, they have committed perjury and wasted police time.
Thus, I suggest, it is reasonable to consider that everyone has been drinking from the same poisoned well of argument, without referral to counter-arguments, video documentation or balanced debate. That includes "media sources" and their "investigations". Welcome to the circus.
Of course, it would be great to see these official and legally informed findings being subjected to as promulgation as the 'woman as universal victim, man as universal predator' narrative that has fuelled this hysteric and dystopic urban myth making, and media fearmongering. But what's the likelihood of that, when a bad story that damages both men and woman can be told?
@@MsAaannaaaok vocab police 😅.
@@MsAaannaaa You're an oversensitized baby getting offended at your own fault. There's plenty of women willing to give consent, yet they still do it to one who don't. Is that not true? Or, are your comprehension skills so bad you have no clue what the point of that statement even pertains to considering it makes these guys look even worse? Also what's wrong with saying non consensual sex? Literally another synonym for rape, we get it you don't understand the english language, but it's the same thing.
That is the difference, though. By the very rules of the game, the MC groupies had the ability to say no.
I remember 99 Luftballoons by Nena, Rock me Amadeus by Falco, and a few KMFDM songs being my first introductions of the German language, but it was really when Rammstein broke out in the USA when I was a teenager that inspired me to learn German in high school. Being a big metal fan myself, it's been all over the headlines in that community in recent weeks. Always enjoyed the music, but never really considered myself a big enough fan to delve deep into them, so this really took me by a kind of naive surprise. The accusations are deeply disturbing, and I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but the more the stories pop up, the less good it looks for him. If these accusations are proven true, then he is done in a big way, and my deepest sympathies to the multitude of victims over the years. Making provocative art is one thing, but one should not live said art in a predatory fashion.
Yet, so many wanted to learn Italian last year and the year before because of Maneskin winning Eurovision in 2021 and in 1990 because of Pavarotti singing in a football anthem.
I was OBSESSED with RAMMS+EIN when I was a teenager. I took German in high school because of them, and my German name in class was Christoph. After their drummer (I'm a drummer, as well). My teacher hated when I would wear RAMMS+EIN shirts, lol. She did not like them. We would get bonus points in class for using a word that we hadn't learned in class because it showed a genuine interest in learning the language outside of school. I already knew A LOT of words we hadn't learned yet from RAMMS+EIN as well as my all-time favorite band KMFDM, who are also a German band. Most of their lyrics are in English, but they had a habit of putting at least one German song on every album.
Hi Feli! I can confirm that Gammahydroxybutyrate does not act that way. I can tell, since I've been prescribed that remedy since 1995 for my sleep disorder. Those blaming GHB are most often suffering from mental illness and/or depression and their medication in synergy with alcohol and and their psychosis creates these situations. Keep it up - you ROCK!! :)
Thank you for your amazing reporting on this story. Please keep reporting as the story continues. It’s a terrible tale no matter how it ends…
I don't follow your channel for this kind of current event discussions. But I appreciate you doing this. You did a good job. The band and the topic is news to me.
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Evidence? Let's see the evidence. Otherwise it's just more he said she said. And that's not evidence.
For me the most telling thing is how manipulative the process seemed to be. Isolating the girls, not telling them the full info, maximizing pressure, getting the drunk first, etc. If someone is deliberately going through all this effort to manipulate people they KNOW they are doing something wrong. On top of that, considering how famous they are and how many willing girls he can probably get through a fully transparent process really is sickening, it really suggests that he and the band really wants to exploit people since they certainly don't have to.
The Russian manager got fired and I don't see a lot of manipulation or abnormality in this. Though it could be more transparent probably.
@@doom9603 The way they search for girls outside of the primary fan base and invite them without much details (just row 0 sort of thing). Then how they isolate them from who they came with. Then how seem very vague in making them think they'll be going to some sort of bigger higher profile after party but in many cases isolate them in their own area. From there they get them drunk and then the resistance many of them reported when they wanted to leave or get further details. On top of that massive lack of transparency that they are basically being lined up as free prostitutes/party girls without being honest about that. I mean every step of the way is a psychological (or physical in the case of alcohol or the alleged drugs) manipulation to apply pressure without fully informed consent. It's all manipulation when as popular as they are I'm sure don't need to do that. They can be honest and up front and girls that want that can participate. It's really sick.
Essentially this is how cults work.
@@doom9603 Let's imagine we're in a parallel universe where Till is gay. How would you feel if this happened to you?
@@auralit3624in a parallel universe where I'm gay ....... if I go through all the trouble of getting into the groupie section.... I'm fucking the lead singer.
It sounded all standard, for an exclusive party.
Personally I question the legitimacy of the of the accusations, some things she said or even thought prior didn't sit well.
Who thinks of sex , simply going to meet someone, who ask if their aggressive etc.
Something's just seem really odd..
I don't listen to the band , I don't know German, but her allegation seem very weak in my opinion.
I think you brought up an excellent point; there's a difference between legal and moral. Even if nothing "illegal" transpired (which is hard to believe at this point), I think it'd be nearly impossible to say that Lindemann was being a good and moral person. If he did what everyone is saying he did, he, at the very least, used his influence and cadre to intimidate, confuse, and take advantage of young women, even if nothing "illegal" took place. It would make sense to me if he were a sex addict. Addicts, of any sort, are extremely good at hiding and justifying their addiction and end up creating a bubble around themselves to keep their closest friends and family away from their addiction. It wouldn't surprise me if that's what Lindemann has been doing.
THIS.
@@kzbernabeu3674 THIS is par for the course with leftists like Lindemann
Rammstein is famously leftwing so none of this should surprise anyone
Absolutely. Those would be character witnesses testifying to his kindness and etc are actually fishier than anything. Just think of what everyone keeps saying any time someone gets caught as a murderer. "He was so nice, so helpful, he seemed so shy", etc. Till has been depicting very violent acts against women in his art for *years*. He isn't the first one to do this either.
Agree, the power he had corrupted his mind, he could have everything with the money and fame he had so he continued and continued etc. Quite sad.
When I saw "The End of Rammstein" on my home youtube page, I just thought it was clickbait. Then I saw it was one of your videos and I trust you. I'm a fan of Rammstein and am really sad to hear about the things that happened. 😢
Well it's with a question mark still!
@@FelifromGermany Of course.
We in germany actuelly have not one single person who clims that Till has touched her without her approval. Dont believe every bullshit which is writen by woke german media 😉
@@FelifromGermany Will You Do A PART 2 To Weird US Laws????????????
@@FelifromGermany ... die Verkaufszahlen der Alben steigen ! DIESE Band wird erst dann sterben, wenn ihnen nichts mehr einfällt, den Kreativtod sozusagen. Es gibt Zeugen, die Shelby's Geschichte und Glaubwürdigkeit vernichtend in Frage stellen und K.S. halte ich für irrelevant.
Bleibt abzuwarten ob wirklich belastende Zeuginnen auftreten; bisher ist das nicvt der Fall.
Hervorragende Arbeit, Feli!
Und ein schönes Bild von der Berliner Pflanze Kayla hast Du da ins Thumbnail bzw. Startbild eingefügt.
Dein Beitrag ist journalistisch hochwertig.
Schöne Grüße aus dem dicken B., oben an der Spree!
Feli, this was really a good thing to share with us non-German speakers and so universally relevant. Thank you
I've been a very large Rammstein fan for many years, and have seen them live twice. This has been very hard news to hear over the last couple of weeks, as up until now, they as a band have been very vocal advocates for oppressed peoples (all the way up to their most recent album, with such songs as "Angst") and minorities. Very supportive of LGBT+ folks, immigrants, and others. I hope that justice is served in the end, whatever that shall end up meaning.
I agree, it is pretty strange to have both Rammstein's positive messaging and Lindemann's violent pornography and the Row Zero arrangements. I liked Rammstein a lot, but I have stopped after I realised that at least Lindemann is not as correct as I had hoped.
@@gulliverthegullible6667 they have no positive message whatsoever
Every social cause Rammstein has ever supported is pure filth and their behavior at these parties is in fact a manifestation of this.
Rammstein fans are total scum. This video proves it
@@xstatic-ow5mz Deutschland, Angst und Zeit are three examples of positive messaging by Rammstein.
Sorry for the long comment in advance:
Diese gesamte Situation ist niederschmetternd zu erfahren. Ich habe in meiner Vergangenheit Erfahrungen gemacht und obwohl ich ein Mann bin, kann ich nachvollziehen, wie schrecklich es für Menschen ist, an die Öffentlichkeit zu gehen. Rammstein war einer der Gründe, warum ich mich dazu verpflichtet fühlte, Deutsch zu lernen, zusammen mit meiner Faszination für Geschichte. Durch ihre Musik habe ich einen Ausweg aus meinen eigenen dunklen Zeiten und Gefühlen der Entfremdung gefunden. Ich habe nie in Betracht gezogen, dass diese Kunst über eine Darstellung des jungianischen Schattens hinausgeht.
Nun zu hören, dass eine Person und vielleicht sogar andere, von denen ich dachte, sie hätten die nuancierte und empathische Perspektive, andere mit Würde zu behandeln, genau das Gegenteil tun, ekelt mich an. Sie hätten es besser wissen müssen, dieses gesamte System klingt äußerst fragwürdig.
Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, was diese Menschen erlebt haben mögen, und obwohl sich dies als übertrieben oder teilweise unwahr erweisen könnte, weiß ich nicht, ob ich ihre Musik weiterhin hören kann oder sollte. Ich fühle mich schrecklich deswegen und hoffe, dass eine Lösung mit angemessener Unterstützung gefunden wird. Wie du, Feli, gesagt hast, sollte niemand über Konsequenzen oder grundlegende Ethik stehen.
Ich schätze deine sorgfältige und lebhafte Analyse dieser Situation und stimme dir darin zu, dass wir uns gegen das Opferbeschuldigen stellen sollten.
Ich glaube an die Unschuldsvermutung, aber diejenigen zu verleumden, die an die Öffentlichkeit gehen, und anzudeuten, dass sie selbst schuld sind, ist nicht nur ignorant, sondern war ein entscheidender Faktor dafür, wie sich diese Verhaltensweisen in vielen Bereichen der Gesellschaft so festgesetzt haben. Wir alle müssen besser sein.
rammstein haben nichts getan und die anzeigen waren alle haltlos. ich hoffe alle cringefluencer entschuldigen sich für den rufmord und werden zur rechenschafft gezogen.
Great, I don't have proof...but Till Lindemann cast a hex on me.🙁
Why would I lie?
10:44 A small note. That's not a Rammstein song. It's from Till's solo project with Peter Tägtgren.
A VERY balanced and sensitively made video. Thank you for your efforts.
I myself have a 20 year old daughter. These accusations are sickening to me. I sincerely hope that this situation is cleared up in a just manner regardless of the outcome.
Pls know that in generell everything seams a little wired as auperstars just csn buy a prostitute not in every country but its legal in germany so why would someone whosbsonmuch innpuplicle take a gamble with a fan especialy if so badly comunicatet.
Thinknofnitbthst way whats worse a acandalnlike now or a fan saying " he asked for sex directly but itbwas nonproblem to say no"
Shure second option would shock some people but that be all the first one of wich he is accused of is a lot more risky and kind of an odd choice and why did this shelby girl went viral before even sone lawsuit was going on?
I dont say nothings ever hsppened to anyone
I only say shelby looks like an amber heard to me atm
For the other girlsnthat jumped on the boat i cant say but in her case its sus
But yes in generell these things are comunicated and ubusualy know where a privat after show party could lead to its not like thats a new thing just dont go there
@@YukiTheOkami It's because of convenience.
Rather than having to research the laws of whether prostitution is legal or not in the country you happen to be in for a couple of days, instead you set up a system to circumvent the legality and ensure access to sex all the time.
Not a judge, lawyer or investigator so not saying anything about the case, but i can understand how that system would have come into existence.
@@YukiTheOkami You really don't know anything about abusers or why they do what they do. So maybe educate yourself?
I think there's deeper problem here, and its related to idolatry. One of the reasons why artists and people in power (mostly men, but not exclusively) engage in this kind of things is because they feel entitled to be in a position over the idolatry of rest (let's call the common people). In this sense, many fans tend to idolize these people and are frequently open to share some intimacy with them. As you said, if a musician, politician or any other kind of idol does not understand the possible impact his position might have (responsibility), this person would have plenty opportunities to abuse his followers and take advantage of them. However, it is a double-size action here, as not only idols need to be responsible, people also need to understand that idols are also human beings that could be well or bad-intended towards them and that we must set boundaries as we'd do with any other stranger. Just thinking, cheers
I've been to one of their afterparties in Minneapolis around maybe 10 years ago, my husband and I were picked out at the beginning of the show by a man and each given a wristband.
We watched the show, walked the halls until we came to a specific room held for the after-party, and there was a dj and a bartender. Till was in the back on a couch, Richard was signing autographs, and the rest of the group was kind of either standing around or jamming out.
Now, I had one or two girls ask why I wasn't 'hanging out' with Till, and I knew from the moment we were invited to the party what exactly happens at afterparties. He already had three girls on him (one a mother daughter duo, holy shit that blew my mind) and I was just there for the experience. If I hadn't had my husband with me I probably would have experienced more peer pressure, but I don't think I would have gone to a party with an all male band if I was alone.
I want to stress that all the girls I met that were on him that night KNEW that they would be sleeping with him later, and they kind of took pride in that fact. Which is why I'm shocked over the thought of him drugging anyone as so many women were more than willing...
At any rate, Till did not get mad at all that evening, he was super chill on the couch with all of his ladies and I found him to be very nice despite him "not speaking english" (I know he can, they act like he can't probably because he says some rough stuff). He was just chilling, and having some pretty girls making out around him.
The rest of the band was either chatting, drinking, dancing like crazy (which was great), and Flakka was making out with some dude. It was a great time...
However, I suppose people can change and while I hope this isn't the case I have a feeling Till might have fallen too far down the rabbit hole. It's a real shame.
Thank you for the breakdown of this case, I had only heard very basic news about it here in England and it was all downplayed and very careful with the language used
Great job covering the information out there and the different sides on the issue as well, Feli! Also I think your ending point on the blurred lines of consent is a very important one.
I don't understand why Till goes through all this deranged manipulation. Well, not just Till a lot of powerful dudes do this.
Like, how hard would it be to have a crew member say "Hey who wants to fuck Till?" and I'm sure a plethora of fan girls would be more than happy.
Some kind of weird power trip??
Oh the end of the video kind of explores this a little.
Vielen Dank für deine Ausführungen.
Ich war in Bern an einem der beiden Konzerte. Ich war selbst hin und her gerissen, das Konzert zu besuchen. Ich hatte insgeheim gehofft die Konzerte würden abgesagt.
Dem war aber nicht so. Damals war noch zu wenig bekannt, bzw. hab ich mich auch nicht so gut darüber informiert. Das Konzert selbst war eine tolle Schow mit viel Spektakel. Es war wohl das erste und letzte Konzert von Ramstein, das ich je gesehen habe.
Ich hoffe die Wahrheit kommt ans Licht egal wie sie ist. Und wenn das wirklich so ist wie nun viele Frauen erzählen, dann soll das System ein Ende haben und die Verantwortlichen müssen die Konsequenzen tragen. Ich bin sehr gespannt wie es ausgeht.
I agree with the other comments that your coverage and review of this serious topic is extraordinary. You did a really good job of showing all the sides. I am not a Rammstein fan, but I love your channel and your take on things so I decided to watch it anyway. Fascinating and heartbreaking story.
Thank you for the video. Rammstein have a huge following in Russia, and during the last decade there have been many allegations against Lindemann from Russian women, but in Russia no one really listens to SA victims, especially against powerful men. Hope they also get at least some comfort from knowing that he doesn't go unpunished. Unfortunately, there is also a huge amount of victimblaming and s*shaming against these women, so they have even less incentive to step forward.
Allegedly, the woman who works for him is Russian. It's her job to get fresh meat for Lindermann every night. I have to wonder if Lindermann is as reckless in the West as he is in the East? Shelby is Irish, but Lithuania is in the East. It took a girl from the West to get attention. Lithuania has decided not to file any changes against Lindermann.
Same in other CIS states. I hope these accusations are not true. I really do. But if all these things are true, then justice must be served.
Может потому что западные СМИ еще не до конца промыли мозги восточно славянам?
Nice virtue signaling.
It doesn't help that there's a language barrier. I'm sure it's been reported by the Russian press but never broke out of the Russian-speaking world.
There has been rumors about Tills behavior for years. I just brushed them off because the rumors were vague. Now that we have someone standing up about what happened to her, I'm sad. ❤️❤️❤️ To the victims!
There are more who say it doesn't happen.
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Because of course there are. Many tens of millions of fans without direct knowledge of the situation have a huge potential for denial and to raise their voice in support of their idols.
The NUMBER of people who agree vs those that disagree with those who have come forward matters less than WHICH people come forward. Quality matters more than quantity. In other words, how many people who are in close proximity to the allegations are reporting problematic behaviour? For example if the majority of the crew working for the band are reporting suspicious activity then that is something to consider with a greater weight than people who have never met the band or any of the alleged victims.
@@brianzembruski5485 well, it did not happen to them. So they don't know about it.
@@brianzembruski5485Not sure where you are from, but if you are at all familiar with USA politics you might get the picture. Certain politicians are praised for their intellect and above reproach lifestyle. While others say the exact opposite. Just because one group might be larger, doesn't mean they know for a fact. Of course I am only using this as an example. Only those involved and close to those people have any shred of the truth.
Press release on Till Lindemann
Berlin (ots) - Vilnius public prosecutor's office is closing investigations
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As already announced in the press release of June 8th, 2023, we take action on behalf of our client against inadmissible reporting and untrue statements of fact in the media or on social networks.
Among other things, we have applied for an injunction to be issued at the Hamburg Regional Court because of the report in SPIEGEL No. 24 of June 10, 2023. The violation of our client's privacy, the publication and dissemination of untrue factual allegations and inadmissible reporting of suspicions are reprimanded. A decision is expected in the next few days.
The TH-camr Kayla Shyx (real name: Kaya Loska) was warned in connection with her TH-cam video from June 6th, 2023. In response to this, she issued a cease-and-desist declaration to our client on two points. If the requested cease and desist declaration has not been submitted, we apply for a temporary injunction to be issued for our client.
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But hey Shelby and Kayla are valid sources...
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And from the German sources:
Presseerklärung zu Till Lindemann
Berlin (ots) - Staatsanwaltschaft Vilnius stellt Ermittlungsverfahren ein
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Wie bereits in der Presseerklärung vom 08.06.2023 angekündigt, gehen wir für unseren Mandanten gegen unzulässige Berichterstattung und unwahre Tatsachenbehauptungen in den Medien bzw. in den sozialen Netzwerken vor.
So haben wir u.a. wegen der Berichterstattung im SPIEGEL Nr. 24 vom 10.06.2023 den Erlass einer einstweiligen Verfügung beim Landgericht Hamburg beantragt. Gerügt wird die Verletzung der Intimsphäre unseres Mandanten, die Veröffentlichung und Verbreitung unwahrer Tatsachenbehauptungen sowie eine unzulässige Verdachtsberichterstattung. Mit einer Entscheidung ist in den nächsten Tagen zu rechnen.
Die TH-camrin Kayla Shyx (bürgerlicher Name: Kaya Loska) wurde im Zusammenhang mit ihrem TH-cam-Video vom 06.06.2023 abgemahnt. Als Reaktion hierauf gab sie gegenüber unserem Mandanten zu zwei Punkten eine strafbewehrte Unterlassungserklärung ab. Soweit die geforderte Unterlassungserklärung nicht abgegeben wurde, beantragen wir für unseren Mandanten den Erlass einer einstweiligen Verfügung.
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Aber hey Shelby und Kayla sind valide Quellen...
Chalk up another band that I loved that I now have to reconcile and decide whether I can separate the music from the person. Rammstein was a huge factor in beginning my love for Germany and its culture.
A cult of personality is a really tricky subject and a double edged sword. At times it may even seem that the perpetrator is as much a victim of it, but this does not remove culpability or accountability and higher responsibility is leveled at the person at the center of it all because of their status, age and experience, as it should be. My heart breaks for the victims. No one should be subjected to this and they didn't ask for this. Who would ask for this?!
I think I'll still listen to Rammstein for my personal emotional connection that I formed over more than 25 years of being a fan, but I won't go to any shows or promote their music to friends and loved ones, once more evidence becomes available to the public. It's just a shame.
This reporting has been most excellent! Thank you!
This was my first video of yours. It was Awesome definitely made a new subscriber outta me. Can't wait to check out the rest of your videos
This is very concerning and disturbing, but it doesn’t surprise me. I think it may go beyond just the hard rock/ rock environments.
It made me think about the time I was approached at a BSB concert (back in ‘99) by a staff member. He came up to me and asked me, “how old are you?”. I said 17, and he said “Oh!, never mind.” and turned and walked away. I thought it was weird at the time, but didn’t think anything further. Now It makes me wonder...
Hab nie gedacht das ich mal so ein Video bei dir schauen würde, aber danke fürs Machen des Videos. Super wichtiges Thema
Whenever I have a question about Germany I always check your channel. Your a great ambassador for your home country.
I've been involved with the music industry for several years, and I can say that this was 100% known about. I have several friends who knew about what was going on, and I have seen a private comment from a HUGE music producer based in Germany who said that he was surprised that people were amazed that Till was doing this.
I am also not surprised that Peter's partner has been supporting Till's victims. Peter Tagtgren is very straight-on and super professional with everything he does with his work. He actually bought AN ENTIRE VILLAGE in Sweden several years ago (he's the unofficial 'mayor' of the village, because he owns all the buildings there and all the residents pay him rent) and moved his entire life away from his peers, because he values his work more than partying and social politics (he wanted as much space as possible for his own studio - he's a very in-demand music producer in Sweden, specialising in rock and metal productions). Peter and his other half would definitely have NOT approved of Till's actions, and I am not surprised now that he refuses to work with him anymore.
Another interesting thing to note here is that Sophia Thomalla was MARRIED to the frontman of Combichrist (the band Joe Letz is a part of) for some time after she ended her partnership with Till. So, while she's no longer dating Till, she's still somewhat connected to his inner circle even many years later. In other words, she has a personal incentive to defend him.
Yet another interesting thing is that Emigrate (Richard's side project) did a song with Marylin Manson some years ago. When the Manson allegations came out, he re-recorded the song without Manson and re-released it without making any kind of marketing or PR buzz about it at all. Judge that how you wish, but to me that's a fairly strong statement about how that particular member feels about other people in the industry who abuse and exploit women.
In Rammstein subreddit some of fans wrote similar stories about other bandmembers and suggested not to put any of them on a pedestal. Kruspe just did not want to be caught.
@@MetalGearyaTV the only stuff I have heard that I could consider to be legitimate/believable is the stuff that I've heard about Till. Mainly because people were saying he was doing the same stuff on his solo tours as well as when he was touring with Rammstein, and his behaviour was known to big people in the industry.
You should never put band members on a pedestal, regardless. A lot of them have made very serious mistakes that have hurt their fans, their families and/or their peers.
Joe isn’t in CombiChrist anymore. But his ex band members have plenty to say about him. And yes, this was widely known for awhile ( also in the business:)
@@yvettewinkler5152 technically, Joe was never 'in' Combichrist. In the studio, it's just the frontman. Joe was legally a hired gun.
@@MetalGearyaTVThat's what I'm saying. There's no way the rest of the band doesn't know, and pleading ignorance is the quickest way to tell on themselves. They were totally fine with it until someone got caught.
Hey Feli, I'm curious if you would do a follow up video now that the charges have been dropped?
Thanks for making this walk-through about the german media coverage on this subject. Much appreciated!
From what I gather of your thorough presentation, there seems to maybe have been a change in Lindemanns personality or behaviour over the last years.
While his ex and others who knew him 5+ years ago describe him with positive remarks, one can't deny the big amount of others describing different sides of him, and all those stories seems to be from the last 5 years (2018-2023). Even the other members of Rammstein describes a change in his behaviour in recent years.
I have enjoyed Rammsteins music on and off for over 20 years, and was on my first concert with them last summer (Europe Stadium Tour 2022), which I enjoyed very much. Now I feel a need to distance myself from this story and the music, as these stories are in big contrast to all my personal values.
It is to he expected that such famous artists like the members of Rammstein has geoupies, and I have no problem with that as long as it's based on mutual consent. What I'm having a big problem with is the whole "industry" that seema to have been put in place to seemingly groom, and possible spike or sedate girls in a way that makes them less critical to the situation they're in and the choices they make while being there. This is a big, red no, and really shouldn't be accepted by anyone, and can't possibly be necessary.
The fame and status of the band should alone be more than enough to recruit willing and consenting groupies. Thus these things about pressure, alcohol consume, possible drugging, etc, can only be a sign that the sex itself is so rough that few would consent, and most would withdraw their consent "mid-way", leaving Lindemann dissatisfied.
I have no proof that this is the case, but my impression after watching this video is along these lines, and it makes me really, really sad.
Perfectly worded! I agree with you 100%
There are women who get paid for this kind of sexual experiences and he has the money to do so. There is no excuse!
The womans performance on Twitter is so fake I can't believe people fall for this. There are so many desperate folks.
I noticed that to, the shift in personality more recently... and everyone who stood up for him was from very old memories of long past relationships.
The other alarming thing was the bandmate saying Till distanced himself and didn't partake in band events anymore with the band.
To me the timing mirrored the same time the pandemic started to happen.
I highly doubt any of them were drugged, that’s just way too overtly criminal plus they didn’t find anything in the first woman’s blood.
Thank you for this video Feli. I enjoy Rammstein's early music. I've never seen them live, but it was something that I probably would have done if a good opportunity had presented itself. Now, not so much.
This is the first time I've heard this story, but I have memories from when I was younger (I'm 38, so probably about 20 years ago now) of hearing rumors of Lindemann's bad behavior (mostly related to alcohol and violence) back then. Combined with his public persona, I can't say that I'm shocked by the story. Disappointed, but not shocked. I believe that at minimum, these women had experiences with him and his entourage that were problematic, even if nothing technically illegal happened.
I agree that even if no criminal charges are filed, it's very important to discuss the role of indirect coersion that comes with imbalances in actual or perceived power. It's the job of the band and their management to ensure the safety of people attending the band's events, even if that means that they have to speak truth to power or say no to an important person.
Hello Feli. I also live in Cincinnati Ohio. Actually i live in Anderson. I lived in Germany for 4 years. I lived in Baumholder Germany. I speak fluent German, but I am terrible writing...lol.
I am new to your channel, but love what I have seen so far and am checking out th older videos. As a huge fan of Rammstein I want the truth to be honored no matter how it falls out.
Take care and keep up the amazing work!
I never heard of Rammstein until news of this scandal broke. Your analysis of the ways in which superstars can abuse their power is well done. Thank you for your thoughts.
You never heard of them? You must live under the rock.
I've been in the bubble surrounding the allegations against Lindemann these last few weeks, listening to the German TH-camrs you mentioned and a few others as I'm actually German myself. I think that for a band with an international fandom like Rammstein, it's absolutely essential for someone to also report this in English, preferably a native speaker of German that can fully understand all the reports and such so it can be converted to English accurately. You seem to be a very fitting ambassador for this, and I think this video is very elaborate and well researched, pretty comprehensive. Thank you for putting this together. The international fandom of Rammstein needs to know about these stories, not everyone speaks German obviously. I find myself pretty sad about this whole thing. With the sheer volume of allegations, I assume that there was definitely shady stuff going on and it sounds very problematic, even if you'd give the benefit of the doubt and assume that there was no drugging involved, and yeah that just disappoints me a lot. I liked Rammsteins music a lot, and while many people will tell you to separate between the band and Lindemann, I find myself at a point where I still can't keep listening to their music in good conscience as it just leaves a very sour taste in my mouth since even if there were no other band members involved in this, I am very sure they knew about it, and are thus somewhat complicit because they knew how wrong it was and let it happen. Just a very sad topic overall.
I agree on all of your points, very well stated.
I can never separate an individual from their abuse. It taints and questions everything.😊
@@selkieseal1177 I have a hard time with that as well, but specifically with someone like Lindemann where, in the context of these allegations, a lot of his lyrics sound horrible.
@FusRoDahYaFace Exactly, the dubious retort of, 'its art, free expression', falls flat on its face.
Eloquently put. I agree. Aside from whatever is the truth or not... I'm heartbroken that the rest of the band will be punished/hated... Have their art/passion/work/life and time abandoned or belittled because of a partner's mistakes or wrong doings. 😢💔
Many thanks for you great commitment, Feli!
May truth and justice prevail.
Best from Germany
This whole thing kind of pisses me off, I think the girl probably had more drinks than she realized our she was self medicating, and she just threw this big story up in the air, pretty much crying wolf, She doesn't realize how this is going to effect Till Lindeman and Rammstein's reputation, when you are a band who is as big as Rammstein you are put under a microscope on everything you do, so this could have an effect on stadium attendance, also album sales. she even said when she refused his advances, he walked out of the room, I think it was bullshit, because the prosecutor wouldn't have just closed the case for lack of evidence if it wasn't.
Once at a time stories like this come out. There is always someone who mixes with the wrong crowd, get themselves in trouble and their stories are probably true but at the other hand... For many many years rockstars have had groupies. Adult aware people knows what that means, what's the "purpose" (of both sides, by the way) etc. In this case things went so wrong - assuming all of this really happened - and it turned out to be false castings for the pleasure of the band leader, crossing lines, acting against the law and most of all these women's will. That's wrong. But many years ago, in my 20s, I used to hang out with some rockstars in the U.S., attending a few private afterparties as well, in times when there wasn't social media apart from MySpace and it was super hard to get close to your music idols. Different things were happening but there were two simple rules: I know what Im doing+I keep my mouth shut afterwards. And of course, everything was consensual. If my friends and I wanted to leave, we were leaving. I would never dare to accuse those people of anything for the wrong reasons, even if I'm not a fan anymore/I dont follow them anymore. I treat it as some crazy things I experienced when I was young. ;) BUT if Lindemann and other members of Rammstein crew commited offenses against these women... well, they should be brought to justice. It's simple.
By the way, just yesterday I have subscribed to your channel, so HI! :) Im from Poland and currently living just there. 🙂
This is very disturbing. But frankly, it’s not rare in the world of hard rock music. These women deserve to be heard. All women who attend these concerts should always take care to stay in their wits. Don’t drink and don’t do drugs. Sadly, you must protect yourself, because others won’t always protect you, and there are a lot of predators in this rock music industry.
Come on, only in the hard rock music world? Please cut this BS...
Or she went in knowing full well what was going to happen, went along with it, and is now trying to get rich, and or clout for her Instagram.
Rammstein isn't hard rock they're industrial
@@StacyBaldwin-qv5cj Does not matter. Guests are the responsibility of those that invite them. People have been canceled and lost their jobs for just saying something off color at work. That said, there needs to be a proper investigation into the matter with due process and proper forensics to get to the truth. Then all people need to be held accountable for their actions. I find it funny how the liberals talk about me too and all sorts of other virtue signaling but their behavior is just as bad as other misogynist.
My understanding is that Germany has openly embraced transgenderism and thus can't even define in any meaningful way what a woman even is to begin with. So statements like "these women need to be heard" don't carry much weight in this utterly confused liberalist paradigm.
Something that really bothers me is the taking of their phones. Sure, certain celebrities don't want certain photos or videos of them getting out, but none of these girls could even contact any emergency services for help....
Mich hat das "Servus" überrascht (is eher österreichisch oder?)bis du erwähnt hast das du Münchnerin bist. Great vid. Keep up the AWESOME work.
Thank you for your research and sharing the info.