So that's where this is different than my aim with speed system. Aim with speed starts with medium and branches out in either direction. For this system, because you're moving the cue on the rail, I find it much more natural to start at fast speed and go backwards as needed.
I`ve been playing for fifty years. I`ve heard countless guys talk about these methods and go through all the measurements. But when you've done so many banks and 2,and three rail shots,you can see the path in front of you on the felt before shooting. I`d have to start all over doing this method.I always practiced banking a ball from one corner area lengthwise to the corner beside me. It may work for you too.
As far as I know, this specific procedure and measurement has never been suggested before. I certainly agree that the bank-a-million-balls method, is effective, my goal is to make a system that a novice with a decent stroke can use. I'd challenge you to set up 10 balls all over the table and try to kick to the corner by feel. Then try 10 with my system.
Came from FB. Loving all the videos i watched so far! Do you have demo on a 7ft pool? Bar I play in is 7ft. I would like to learn how to get the measurement of the vanishing point no matter which size of table im playing in. Thanks in advance!
This information is in the video called Principle 1, but a 7 ft plays from the tip at 2.5 instead of 2, and a 9 ft plays from the tip at 1.25. You might have to customize it a little, but the key is to be about 3.3 diamonds out from the rail, in line with the end rail seam.
Great vid!!....I was playing against someone who loves to play "safety"...I was only 50% successful of making my bank shots against him. With practice, I hope this method will help me increase my chances of potting balls. Thanks coach!
@@PoolandBilliards I've just had the time to measure the vanish point this evening. My table is an old Olhausen 7 footer as a reference. The vanish point is at 56.75" from the second diamond on short rail, so that my cue (58") is at 2.15 diamond rather than your 2.5 diamond assessment. I'm not the most consistent cuing person but I took over 50 shots to verify my finding. I also found that the previous one rail kicking (Fast speed) is very close to this vanish point method but they are off by 0.1 diamond for 5 and 4 kick. That's most likely my inconsistent speed. No matter, I have more testing to do in the next couple of weeks to learn more. Kudos to the great work!!
@@vincentsu1702 I am glad you spent the time to work it out on your table! It can be really satisfying to have an OMG moment where you realize - that's the spot! Curious - (1) What is the distance between diamonds on your table? And (2) How far - in terms of diamonds on your table - is the distance from the vanishing point you found to the rail nose of the long rail? Seems like it is more than 3.3 diamonds? One note on speed I should have addressed better: my fast speed is about 75-80% power, not a break shot stroke.
@ Yes, satisfying and surprising the same time, thanks to you! 1) 9.75”; 2) 37”, about 3.8 diamonds (just measured it); 3) my fast speed is about 70-80% of my regular shooting speed ( breaking speed is not related to my regular cueing speed as I have never compared them). Again, I’m not a good player and is/will continue to work on my consistency. I’ve also found that your kicking method provides the most consistency once I learned it on my table. The only thing is that when I play in the league, the Diamond table would shorten the angles. Wish I can post pictures here to provide the answers in case there’s something I did wrong.
@@vincentsu1702 Great work. I appreciate you sticking with it to customize it to your table. The more feedback I get like this the better I can help steer people in the right direction.
1:03 my pattern recognition skill noticed that the kicks were a full ball distance away from each other at rail impact 🤔 Anyways thanks for the video 🔥
They do look weird, I think the angle of the camera skews the perspective. At the very least, it is noteworthy the ball does hit the rail well before the point of aim when you align through the diamonds.
So 37.5 is the distance for 7, 8, 9 foot tables? You just make adjustments on tables with your cue at the diamonds on the short rail depending on the size table? Great video. Thanks
For this system I use the most common sizes - 7 ft is defined as 10 inches between diamonds and 9 ft as 12.5 inches between diamonds. I have never tried it on a 10 ft.
@PoolandBilliards Will do! The table I'm planning to test it with, today, it's an 8 ft table with kinda old rails and sloth, non-simonis cloth. Hopefully this can provide you valuable information for your amazing research, sir.
@@PoolandBilliards principals 1, 2, 3 and 4 all worked perfectly on the 8ft I tried them on. This is so cool. I have a cue butt extension on my cue but I have followed your process to adjust for the extra cue length and it works like a charm. I'm so impressed that I had to show it to a couple of friends and they got it to work too even though their cues were different sizes than mine. One of my friends liked it so much that he purchased your system on your website. Thanks for everything you have explained so far. Hope to see more videos on these. 👍
Where that point is has everything to do with you shooting at "fast" speed. the Double the distance only works with rolling cue ball shooting at pocket speed.
In my tests, double the distance is closer at pocket speed, but not very accurate. The point of aim for neutral conditions puts the tip 1.5 diamonds further off the table, and it is very accurate for a rolling cue ball, but it is actually more than double the distance.
@@PoolandBilliards Understandable. I'm really interested in seeing how the spot slides and the line they appear on for 2-rail shots... long rail - short rail and visa-versa. When do you think you'll be doing a video on that?
@@dryclimateutah I am still developing this as a 2 rail system, but it is very finicky. I've settled on a final procedure at least 3 different times, only to find it does not scale to other table sizes. But I can tell you the midpoint parallel shift is not reliably accurate in my tests.
@@PoolandBilliards It's possible you are running into issues because the cue ball picks up spin on the first rail and depending on the incoming angle it picks up different amounts of spin. I suspect if you go over all your previous center ball methods and figure out how to adjust the same shots with spin based on approach angle you might find a solution and come up with a running English system that also works. But if you find a solution for 2 rails, it will likely carry over to 3 and 4 rails too.
@@dryclimateutah Those are exactly the sort of issues on I have wrestled with! But English doesn't seem to fix it. With my projection system, i can prove virtually nothing produces a perfect and out angle. I think it's going to have to be much more custom to the OB location, I just haven't figured out how.
Great video. I’m excited about trying it out
This is one of the most useful things I’ve learned in awhile my 8ft table gets here Friday so I’m gonna experiment with it
Have fun dude! My 8ft pool table arrives on Friday too. Let's get it !
Glad it makes sense! Let me know if it works for you and any adjustment you need to make.
Keep up the amazing discoveries.
So it is recommended to find the medium-speed spot for the table from a reference position and adjust from there?
So that's where this is different than my aim with speed system. Aim with speed starts with medium and branches out in either direction. For this system, because you're moving the cue on the rail, I find it much more natural to start at fast speed and go backwards as needed.
Simply genius
Thanks!
I`ve been playing for fifty years. I`ve heard countless guys talk about these methods and go through all the measurements. But when you've done so many banks and 2,and three rail shots,you can see the path in front of you on the felt before shooting. I`d have to start all over doing this method.I always practiced banking a ball from one corner area lengthwise to the corner beside me. It may work for you too.
As far as I know, this specific procedure and measurement has never been suggested before. I certainly agree that the bank-a-million-balls method, is effective, my goal is to make a system that a novice with a decent stroke can use. I'd challenge you to set up 10 balls all over the table and try to kick to the corner by feel. Then try 10 with my system.
Amazing system!
Thanks! Le me know if it works for you and any adjustments you need to make.
Came from FB. Loving all the videos i watched so far! Do you have demo on a 7ft pool? Bar I play in is 7ft. I would like to learn how to get the measurement of the vanishing point no matter which size of table im playing in. Thanks in advance!
This information is in the video called Principle 1, but a 7 ft plays from the tip at 2.5 instead of 2, and a 9 ft plays from the tip at 1.25. You might have to customize it a little, but the key is to be about 3.3 diamonds out from the rail, in line with the end rail seam.
This video just got you another subscriber.
Thanks! Glad it makes sense.
Great vid!!....I was playing against someone who loves to play "safety"...I was only 50% successful of making my bank shots against him. With practice, I hope this method will help me increase my chances of potting balls. Thanks coach!
Glad it makes sense! Let me know if it works for you and any adjustment you need to make.
Brilliant!
Thanks! Let me know if you get it to work, and if you had to adjust anything.
@@PoolandBilliards I've just had the time to measure the vanish point this evening. My table is an old Olhausen 7 footer as a reference. The vanish point is at 56.75" from the second diamond on short rail, so that my cue (58") is at 2.15 diamond rather than your 2.5 diamond assessment. I'm not the most consistent cuing person but I took over 50 shots to verify my finding. I also found that the previous one rail kicking (Fast speed) is very close to this vanish point method but they are off by 0.1 diamond for 5 and 4 kick. That's most likely my inconsistent speed. No matter, I have more testing to do in the next couple of weeks to learn more. Kudos to the great work!!
@@vincentsu1702 I am glad you spent the time to work it out on your table! It can be really satisfying to have an OMG moment where you realize - that's the spot! Curious - (1) What is the distance between diamonds on your table? And (2) How far - in terms of diamonds on your table - is the distance from the vanishing point you found to the rail nose of the long rail? Seems like it is more than 3.3 diamonds? One note on speed I should have addressed better: my fast speed is about 75-80% power, not a break shot stroke.
@ Yes, satisfying and surprising the same time, thanks to you! 1) 9.75”; 2) 37”, about 3.8 diamonds (just measured it); 3) my fast speed is about 70-80% of my regular shooting speed ( breaking speed is not related to my regular cueing speed as I have never compared them). Again, I’m not a good player and is/will continue to work on my consistency. I’ve also found that your kicking method provides the most consistency once I learned it on my table. The only thing is that when I play in the league, the Diamond table would shorten the angles. Wish I can post pictures here to provide the answers in case there’s something I did wrong.
@@vincentsu1702 Great work. I appreciate you sticking with it to customize it to your table. The more feedback I get like this the better I can help steer people in the right direction.
1:03 my pattern recognition skill noticed that the kicks were a full ball distance away from each other at rail impact 🤔
Anyways thanks for the video 🔥
They do look weird, I think the angle of the camera skews the perspective. At the very least, it is noteworthy the ball does hit the rail well before the point of aim when you align through the diamonds.
Good stuff. Shared it with all of my pool people.
Thanks! Let me know if you get it to work, and if you had to adjust anything.
😊😊😊😊
Thanks
Glad you like it!
So 37.5 is the distance for 7, 8, 9 foot tables? You just make adjustments on tables with your cue at the diamonds on the short rail depending on the size table? Great video. Thanks
3.3 Diamonds is the most accurate. Video called Principle 1 will show for 7 and 9 ft tables.
Thank you
What is the measurement for 10ft., 9 ft., and 7 ft., tables?
For this system I use the most common sizes - 7 ft is defined as 10 inches between diamonds and 9 ft as 12.5 inches between diamonds. I have never tried it on a 10 ft.
@@PoolandBilliards THANK YOU!
thank you
what abut 9 foot table
Watch the video called Principle 1
You're awesome Sir! I'm going to try it out and see if i can replicate it
Thanks! Let me know if you get it to work, and if you had to adjust anything.
@PoolandBilliards Will do! The table I'm planning to test it with, today, it's an 8 ft table with kinda old rails and sloth, non-simonis cloth. Hopefully this can provide you valuable information for your amazing research, sir.
@@PoolandBilliards principals 1, 2, 3 and 4 all worked perfectly on the 8ft I tried them on. This is so cool. I have a cue butt extension on my cue but I have followed your process to adjust for the extra cue length and it works like a charm. I'm so impressed that I had to show it to a couple of friends and they got it to work too even though their cues were different sizes than mine. One of my friends liked it so much that he purchased your system on your website. Thanks for everything you have explained so far. Hope to see more videos on these. 👍
It depends on the cushion of the table too
Definitely. I discuss how to adjust for that in the first instructional video called Principle 1.
Where that point is has everything to do with you shooting at "fast" speed. the Double the distance only works with rolling cue ball shooting at pocket speed.
In my tests, double the distance is closer at pocket speed, but not very accurate. The point of aim for neutral conditions puts the tip 1.5 diamonds further off the table, and it is very accurate for a rolling cue ball, but it is actually more than double the distance.
@@PoolandBilliards Understandable. I'm really interested in seeing how the spot slides and the line they appear on for 2-rail shots... long rail - short rail and visa-versa. When do you think you'll be doing a video on that?
@@dryclimateutah I am still developing this as a 2 rail system, but it is very finicky. I've settled on a final procedure at least 3 different times, only to find it does not scale to other table sizes. But I can tell you the midpoint parallel shift is not reliably accurate in my tests.
@@PoolandBilliards It's possible you are running into issues because the cue ball picks up spin on the first rail and depending on the incoming angle it picks up different amounts of spin. I suspect if you go over all your previous center ball methods and figure out how to adjust the same shots with spin based on approach angle you might find a solution and come up with a running English system that also works. But if you find a solution for 2 rails, it will likely carry over to 3 and 4 rails too.
@@dryclimateutah Those are exactly the sort of issues on I have wrestled with! But English doesn't seem to fix it. With my projection system, i can prove virtually nothing produces a perfect and out angle. I think it's going to have to be much more custom to the OB location, I just haven't figured out how.
How do you know the spot on the short rail
Next watch video Principle 1