I know this is an old video, but anyone just now chiming in, I have loaded 10s of thousands of rounds for competition, where follow-ups are the name of the game. In this time, I have done several tests. I came to the conclusion that the burn rate of the powder has more to do with recoil than bullet weight. (Forgive me if you don't have a clue what I am saying) Example: 115gr jacketed with 4.2 gr of a fast powder like 700X is around 1,100 fps. Compare to a 147gr with 5.0 gr of a slower powder such as HS6. The 115 is going to be noticeably flatter. Switch bullets but not powder such as 6.4 gr HS6 in the 115 to make the same 1100 fps and 3 gr of 700X in the 147 to match the 5.0 load above, and the roles are reversed. Basically I am saying if you are buying factory, its apples and oranges because you have no idea what the burn is, unless you weight the charge of said factory powder and knew what you are looking at. Factory is shooting in the dark.
That's true. I appreciate the insight. I don't reload unfortunately but have tested many 147gr ammo to find the softest shooting round I could since this video release
Really good video dude. Thank you for the info. I just bought the gun and I’m trying to decide what kind of ammo to snag. I was going to buy 50 of each but this simplified it for me.
I have other 9mm ammo tests, check out those videos. Right now, my favorite is defender ammunition pro series competition. th-cam.com/video/ZT3VQumpgMw/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/NWd9FulwU_M/w-d-xo.html
Lmao i totally understand. I've since switched to both eyes open and it's helped so much at shooting now. Thanks a lot for the sub! If you have any idea of what you'd like to see, let me know, I'll try and see what I can do.
What would be a more practical test is if you timed your shots with the variances of spring weight along with the grain weights all shot with the same gun. Then you see what the splits were as well as the accurancy measurments. Try and shoot all three different variances (springs and projectile weights) at 6 shots all under 3 seconds. Then show us the data.
That would also be something I'll start to incorporate then. I think when I've had rapid fire, sometimes the Mantis X10 is all over the place and doesn't recognize all the shots, but I'll see what happens next time!
Ya I think some people have that situation. I never did and I used 115gr with both springs. Make sure everything is lined up sufficiently and break it in, maybe it'll run better and go into battery
Thx i searched for ideas on that topic. To make it real fair you should handload the 3 different bullet weights to the same muzzle energy. I bought an optic for my x5 and a hole set of wolff 1911 springs 9-16,5 lbs. I will run only one ammo but a wider range of springs.
Thanks for watching! But I really wanted to just do the basic off the shelf ammo and see what in general would work best with which spring. I don't do reloading though.
@@58Alpha as mentiont i shot my X5 with Holosun 509T and different wolff springs 9-16,5 lbs today. Used Geco 124gr (1180fps). in sumary a lighter spring gives more muzzle rise and a heavy spring more dip. with the optic the best feeling was with 14-15lbs. (witch irons i run 12lbs) under 11lbs the recoil is worth - i think the slide still has alot momentum, when it hits the full spring compression
@@58Alpha I understand your view point, you can be transparent by saying why you dropped some results then proceed with the more accurate data giving you a truer conclusion. I won’t take the time to recreate but it may be worth revisiting the numbers. No hate man, I thought it was a great video!
Yeah thanks for the helpful info, I'm still learning from viewers what they like to see. Even with the outliers, at least all the data is still there for you to check out and maybe recalculate on your own if you want@@justinabner4266
Yeah the mantis gives some bad data with those last shots. The slide lock particularly results in an almost 4X increase in muzzle rise. Not good data to draw a conclusion off of. Otherwise good video
@@TRR56 yah that's the trade off. Sometimes I question the data based on how I feel with the rounds when shooting but data is data. Just need a disclaimer I guess.
No actually I can't recall any, if I did have any, it probably wasn't the gun at all, maybe weak wrist or ammo issue. The X-Five has been great for me!
I actually didn't switch dominant eyes anymore, I started shooting with both eyes open, which was difficult to try in the beginning and I never pursued it, I was always trying to be 'precise' in my early days of target shooting. But after switching to both eyes open, I can never go back to one eye. It's so much better and once you try it, and hit where you want to on paper to give you confidence that it works and you can trust your eyes, then the better you become. It's important to shoot with both eyes open for competition to be faster and also help to not over transition on your targets. When I switched to both eyes open, my right eye became the dominant eye which goes will with me being right handed. This is a great video to help you understand the concept and how to shoot with both eyes open. I would suggest you try it with dry fire practice at home first. It's a short video: th-cam.com/video/KCa6jcfTlys/w-d-xo.html
Try it! I'm sure that the slide will open much quicker and then close slower, but in turn, not have a lot of weight slamming back forward and helping you slightly with some muzzle control.
I know this is an old video, but anyone just now chiming in, I have loaded 10s of thousands of rounds for competition, where follow-ups are the name of the game. In this time, I have done several tests. I came to the conclusion that the burn rate of the powder has more to do with recoil than bullet weight. (Forgive me if you don't have a clue what I am saying) Example: 115gr jacketed with 4.2 gr of a fast powder like 700X is around 1,100 fps. Compare to a 147gr with 5.0 gr of a slower powder such as HS6. The 115 is going to be noticeably flatter. Switch bullets but not powder such as 6.4 gr HS6 in the 115 to make the same 1100 fps and 3 gr of 700X in the 147 to match the 5.0 load above, and the roles are reversed. Basically I am saying if you are buying factory, its apples and oranges because you have no idea what the burn is, unless you weight the charge of said factory powder and knew what you are looking at. Factory is shooting in the dark.
That's true. I appreciate the insight. I don't reload unfortunately but have tested many 147gr ammo to find the softest shooting round I could since this video release
Really good video dude. Thank you for the info. I just bought the gun and I’m trying to decide what kind of ammo to snag. I was going to buy 50 of each but this simplified it for me.
I have other 9mm ammo tests, check out those videos. Right now, my favorite is defender ammunition pro series competition.
th-cam.com/video/ZT3VQumpgMw/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/NWd9FulwU_M/w-d-xo.html
Def subbing bc I’m also left eye dominant and right handed trying to figure out grain and spring weights lmao
Lmao i totally understand. I've since switched to both eyes open and it's helped so much at shooting now. Thanks a lot for the sub! If you have any idea of what you'd like to see, let me know, I'll try and see what I can do.
What would be a more practical test is if you timed your shots with the variances of spring weight along with the grain weights all shot with the same gun.
Then you see what the splits were as well as the accurancy measurments. Try and shoot all three different variances (springs and projectile weights) at 6 shots all under 3 seconds. Then show us the data.
That would also be something I'll start to incorporate then. I think when I've had rapid fire, sometimes the Mantis X10 is all over the place and doesn't recognize all the shots, but I'll see what happens next time!
Good data
So can i use 14lbs plus 115grain? Im having issues with my x5 legion not going battery all the way causing a jam using 12lbs and 115gr. Thank you
Ya I think some people have that situation. I never did and I used 115gr with both springs. Make sure everything is lined up sufficiently and break it in, maybe it'll run better and go into battery
Thx i searched for ideas on that topic.
To make it real fair you should handload the 3 different bullet weights to the same muzzle energy.
I bought an optic for my x5 and a hole set of wolff 1911 springs 9-16,5 lbs. I will run only one ammo but a wider range of springs.
Thanks for watching! But I really wanted to just do the basic off the shelf ammo and see what in general would work best with which spring. I don't do reloading though.
@@58Alpha as mentiont i shot my X5 with Holosun 509T and different wolff springs 9-16,5 lbs today. Used Geco 124gr (1180fps). in sumary a lighter spring gives more muzzle rise and a heavy spring more dip. with the optic the best feeling was with 14-15lbs. (witch irons i run 12lbs) under 11lbs the recoil is worth - i think the slide still has alot momentum, when it hits the full spring compression
@@gle6560 yes that's correct, pros and cons to them both. Lighter spring = more felt recoil, but you can shoot faster.
Do u know dragon breath load grain weight of shell
Why would you not drop the very obvious outliers in your data?
Just to be ultra transparent with you and the other viewers.
@@58Alpha I understand your view point, you can be transparent by saying why you dropped some results then proceed with the more accurate data giving you a truer conclusion.
I won’t take the time to recreate but it may be worth revisiting the numbers.
No hate man, I thought it was a great video!
Yeah thanks for the helpful info, I'm still learning from viewers what they like to see. Even with the outliers, at least all the data is still there for you to check out and maybe recalculate on your own if you want@@justinabner4266
Yeah the mantis gives some bad data with those last shots. The slide lock particularly results in an almost 4X increase in muzzle rise. Not good data to draw a conclusion off of. Otherwise good video
@@TRR56 yah that's the trade off. Sometimes I question the data based on how I feel with the rounds when shooting but data is data. Just need a disclaimer I guess.
Thank you for doing this 🤙
Thanks for watching, hope it gave some sort of value!
Any stove pipes or other malfunctions with either springs?
No actually I can't recall any, if I did have any, it probably wasn't the gun at all, maybe weak wrist or ammo issue. The X-Five has been great for me!
How did you switch dominant eyes?? I am also left eye/ right hand
I actually didn't switch dominant eyes anymore, I started shooting with both eyes open, which was difficult to try in the beginning and I never pursued it, I was always trying to be 'precise' in my early days of target shooting. But after switching to both eyes open, I can never go back to one eye. It's so much better and once you try it, and hit where you want to on paper to give you confidence that it works and you can trust your eyes, then the better you become. It's important to shoot with both eyes open for competition to be faster and also help to not over transition on your targets. When I switched to both eyes open, my right eye became the dominant eye which goes will with me being right handed. This is a great video to help you understand the concept and how to shoot with both eyes open. I would suggest you try it with dry fire practice at home first. It's a short video: th-cam.com/video/KCa6jcfTlys/w-d-xo.html
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
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What if i use 6lbs recoil spring ?
Try it! I'm sure that the slide will open much quicker and then close slower, but in turn, not have a lot of weight slamming back forward and helping you slightly with some muzzle control.
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