Bonjour MegamanOmega ! First of all, thank you for playing my script ! It brings me back lot of memories by looking at you playing it but I realize now how unfair and stupid it is haha! My goal was to make a memorable script with its own identity by using all kind of original gimmicks and fancy effects and by adding some nice references (Rin satsuki spell from jynx scripts or shinki spell) I was kinda on the train of hype when I did it but now I see the truth and all its defaults I agree it's way way too hard for all difficulties and for most of the spells Some spells / no spell need to be shorter, Fancy effects are too much for Hooaka ice spells and Clause spells and did the opposite of what I intended to do. Some hard-to-see bullets ( black on black) even if intentional are a bad idea. The stage portion and dialogs weren't even necessary ^^. In the end, these gimmicks are really bad for a... 30 minutes bossrush ! (Damn I should have made it shorter). It's really frustrating to die after 20 minutes play because the boss throws at you a non intuitive pattern with a specific way to clear it. I guess my script was meant to be seen and not to be played. My apologies for all the suffering ~ I realize now these ideas would have been more appreciated in a spellcard collection game As a first try, if I had to redo it again, I would have change many things of course. But it's my baby, all cracked and broken but I still like it as it is because I've had such a great time by making this. I would love to make other scripts but Time and other stuffs have taken me away from Gensokyo But It's still a pleasure to see people trying this. I'm fine here and hope it's going as well for you guys Have a nice day and see you next time !
I played the script, and is one of the most memorable thing I ve ever played, believe me or not, this script help me through a very hard time in my life, I really appreciate how much effort you put in this
Oh, Pruns... Why... This man is beyond insane. Saying that he does Unreal stuff is understating it. He's done EMS _and_ RMI Absurdly Extra _without focusing._ (The latter ending with 5 extra lives remaining too...) As well as EE Absurdly Extra No Vertical... Do I need to explain any more how crazy this guy is? Heck, someone sent his RMI AbEx No Focus clear to JynX, JynX's reaction was just "...what?". Not even JynX himself knows the power of the madman known as Pruns.
This script is...Something. I will say that Pruns did a good job at making the attacks feel epic and stuff but good lord the difficulty hurts me. A large majority of scripts out there don't tend to make the boss patterns feel as if the boss themselves is actively attacking you, which is perfectly fine. That may be because most other people don't play shmups with more aggressive danmaku (aka not a Touhou-like). This script manages to make the bosses feel agressive which I really really wanna like if it weren't for the execution of most of the attacks. Like if this script had someone who wasn't a Lunatic/Unreal player to test this script then this whole thing would be more bareable. The gimmicks are cool and I really enjoy them, but they aren't executed well enough for a Boss Rush. These sort of things like you said are better suited for collections or short fights because at the very least you're expected to die a lot to them. As for the effects. They're cool don't get me wrong because I love me a flashy script. But goodness why does Hooaka make the player more blind than with what Kurohebi does? That and the whole things feels rather...Hodgepodgy. There's effects from Touhou, Len'en, Touhou Fighting, Ido, same with the bullets. I dunno This whole script is a perfect example of why it's important to have multiple people test play your thing. Because I guarentee you nobody would ever understand how Tsurubami's last spell would work without someone showing you first. Side Note: Who the hecc voted for Necroslamtasia The Reebot? qwq I completely forgot I spent a full day copying an AJS script just for the shitposts.
Well, I think it's ok for a one-off script to be potentially memo in some things and play testers would still complain about that. I think Pruns went for a difficulty that would be accessible for players of that level if they practiced for a clear, and went under the assumption that they would practice to beat it. That said, this definitely needed some eyes on it before release because...wow the visual effects and some of the gimmicks are ridiculous.
Honestly, despite not being the type of script I enjoy, it's still baffling to see when you know for a fact this is someone's first real script. Pruns is a great player, but he struggled with the balancing of this in a big way. I wish I had been more insistent in my advice when he had this going on (Like visibility issues and certain graphic usage), and even then, a lot of stuff still got much better in the final release (The Oxygen bar basically restored at half the pace it does in Normal mode IIRC... Yikes. Thank god for balancing.) Gimmicks galore also didn't help with the balancing, and playtesting this was hell. Overall, this is still one of the more impressive scripts out there with a variety of neat ideas, even if too many or not perfectly executed. I'm glad Pruns made something this impressive for a first script, I still cannot believe it myself even after all this time.
It certainly is impressive. I think he made a script that he will find enjoyable to play through himself, and if that's the case, then he reached that goal.
I might wanna check this out, and try Easy to see if there's any difference. [EDIT]: Well, I tried it on Easy for a few runs. Got to Aoji's first spellcard. It's worse than I imagined xD. That 10 seconds of the script running itself on when you get a game over just kills the momentum. And yeah, not much difference between Easy and Normal, maybe 2 or 3 extra bullets per spellcard on Normal. The difficulties should be Hard, Unreal, Absurdly Unreal and Just No. This script is why you should always get testers of varying skill levels to test your script before releasing. Many fangames had this problem lately, where the difficulty is pegged towards the Lunatic mode, unwilling to sacrifice game mechanics that are too tough for sake of inclusivity. HSoB's stage 5 boss is the only instance (to me) where this is done right. Also wow, all the screen effects. First time scripter's overzealousness I guess. I do agree that the script is beautiful and has very interesting ideas. Just the implementation of those ideas overshoots the target. When downloading the script, Pruns mentioned that this script has no mercy, and that you shouldn't try Unreal on your first time. I can respect him for giving that warning at least.
> unwilling to sacrifice game mechanics that are too tough for the sake of inclusivity I get that learning a pattern that that is fairly gimmicky is challenging, but personally speaking as a scripter, the end result for lower difficulties often feels neutered to the point of it being boring, and that's the opposite of what you want. Also, in that same respect, how unreasonable is it to try and learn that mechanic? These gimmicks in this script I feel are too much, but I also feel like people tend to give up once they see something that looks too intimidating for them instead of taking it by the horns and trying to learn it. That all being said, I agree that HSoB S5 handles it really well. It keeps the core element of the pattern but changes it up in a way that makes it different, easier, but also still exciting in its own right.
I suppose it depends on whether the process in learning and solving them is fun, even if my skill level is casual Easy mode player. I still haven't managed to 1CC Normal mode MoF after 11 years of trying, but I still had fun trying. I'm just content with getting to experience Touhou as a low skill level casual player, because of that Easy mode. And be driven to learn the harder gimmicks and still having fun while doing so, even if I can't clear them ultimately. When it gets so frustrating after several months of trying despite your drive and effort that you no longer enjoy the game, then there's no point trying.
On the other hand, some gimmicks should be off-limits even on Unreal. Forcing players to strain to see the bullets is straight-up damaging to your eye health.
The gimmicks, the creativity, the aesthetics are great. Just not executed well along with there being too much and it ended up with over the top difficulty (I know that's an understatement, even the "breath of fresh air" is quite vicious with tough to see bullets)
Yeah I voted for that :3 Well guess other people talked enough about difficulty and stuff so I keep it short. Cool ideas, great attacks and a perfect example for very good and very bad decisions. A great inspiration!
Ok honestly? I haven't seen this script in a long time and I think Normal difficulty is a bit overblown in terms of it's reputation. It's possible that my years of Touhou have finally caught up with me and I see things that look easier than they are, but ehhh we'll see lol. There's quite a bit of bullshit peppered in there (ESPECIALLY with Clause, good Lord) but most of the actual difficulty comes down to the overwhelming amount of effects in this script. The actual patterns themselves seem fairly challenging but far from impossible for Normal mode standards. It's really a good case study in terms of effects and gimmicks getting in the way of gameplay. Though some of the gimmicks seem like pure memo. On a positive note, however, this script definitely does its part in *looking* badass. It's definitely too much but these bosses are really aggressive and I like that a lot. I feel like this captures the energy of these bosses really trying to kill you, while most Touhou and even Len'en attacks are pretty indirect. Also some of these pattern ideas are really cool, even outside of their respective gimmicks. I can respect what this script tried to do. I was going into this video expecting something Lunatic level but I can safely say if there was better visual design, Clause nerfs (and please get rid of that moon jump, ewwww), and a couple more tweaks this could've been Normal-Hard difficulty easily. On one final note to end on, I think it's important to have games or even scripts where the design around your chosen difficulty is aimed a bit higher than average. I feel like Touhou players tend to like their chosen difficulty being a breeze to them and more of a light romp, but I think a Touhou shmup should still be an adequate challenge for that difficulty - I think having an accessible game is great but ultimately if there's no challenge why bother playing it? EDIT (after the credits): Ok honestly I feel you in terms of that difficulty scaling. Targeting the wrong areas for difficulty balancing is definitely not good and that difference between Normal and Unreal is definitely punier than I expected.
I sometimes wonder if Reimu forgets the whole "Float away from everything" thing she can do. I'd be fun if there was a script where Reimu snapped and just Fantasy Nature'd her way through everything.
Speaking of Len'en scripts, one that I've recently discovered is "The Pure Wishful Haniwa" by TTBD. Unlike some of the other scripts I've recommended, this doesn't rely on jokes or a gimmick, but it's just an all-around fun and exciting battle with some awesome-looking danmaku. And there's no dialogue, so Bee won't be angry. This one instantly hooked me, so I hope you like it!
Dialogue is fine when it's done succinctly. Scripts don't need 10+ minutes of lore (usually), and things titled 'Boss Rush' should remember what "rush" means.
25:28 Get on equal footing with Yukari first, then you can start talking about equal footing with Tsurubami... Now that I think about it, which Touhou characters have bird names?
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I... really don't like this. It's _clearly_ an awesome script with a truckload of amazing gimmicks and ideas, but then absolutely ruined by horrible balance. I mean, kudos to the guy, but talk about a skewed sense of difficulty... =u=" EDIT: From Clause onwards it's just pure bullshit. Pruns what the hell.
Bonjour MegamanOmega ! First of all, thank you for playing my script !
It brings me back lot of memories by looking at you playing it but I realize now how unfair and stupid it is haha!
My goal was to make a memorable script with its own identity by using all kind of original gimmicks and fancy effects and
by adding some nice references (Rin satsuki spell from jynx scripts or shinki spell)
I was kinda on the train of hype when I did it but now I see the truth and all its defaults
I agree it's way way too hard for all difficulties and for most of the spells
Some spells / no spell need to be shorter,
Fancy effects are too much for Hooaka ice spells and Clause spells and did the opposite of what I intended to do.
Some hard-to-see bullets ( black on black) even if intentional are a bad idea.
The stage portion and dialogs weren't even necessary ^^.
In the end, these gimmicks are really bad for a... 30 minutes bossrush ! (Damn I should have made it shorter). It's really frustrating to die after 20 minutes play because the boss throws at you a non intuitive pattern with a specific way to clear it.
I guess my script was meant to be seen and not to be played. My apologies for all the suffering ~
I realize now these ideas would have been more appreciated in a spellcard collection game
As a first try, if I had to redo it again, I would have change many things of course.
But it's my baby, all cracked and broken but I still like it as it is because I've had such a great time by making this.
I would love to make other scripts but Time and other stuffs have taken me away from Gensokyo
But It's still a pleasure to see people trying this.
I'm fine here and hope it's going as well for you guys
Have a nice day and see you next time !
I played the script, and is one of the most memorable thing I ve ever played, believe me or not, this script help me through a very hard time in my life, I really appreciate how much effort you put in this
Oh, Pruns... Why...
This man is beyond insane. Saying that he does Unreal stuff is understating it. He's done EMS _and_ RMI Absurdly Extra _without focusing._ (The latter ending with 5 extra lives remaining too...) As well as EE Absurdly Extra No Vertical... Do I need to explain any more how crazy this guy is? Heck, someone sent his RMI AbEx No Focus clear to JynX, JynX's reaction was just "...what?". Not even JynX himself knows the power of the madman known as Pruns.
Breaking News:Outsider Reimu Hakurei Cha-cha’d Tsurubami Senri into submission
HUD: *exists*
Hooaka: y'all see summin'?
Clause: nah.
This script really should have been called, "Pruns' Revenge"
This script is...Something.
I will say that Pruns did a good job at making the attacks feel epic and stuff but good lord the difficulty hurts me. A large majority of scripts out there don't tend to make the boss patterns feel as if the boss themselves is actively attacking you, which is perfectly fine. That may be because most other people don't play shmups with more aggressive danmaku (aka not a Touhou-like). This script manages to make the bosses feel agressive which I really really wanna like if it weren't for the execution of most of the attacks. Like if this script had someone who wasn't a Lunatic/Unreal player to test this script then this whole thing would be more bareable. The gimmicks are cool and I really enjoy them, but they aren't executed well enough for a Boss Rush. These sort of things like you said are better suited for collections or short fights because at the very least you're expected to die a lot to them.
As for the effects. They're cool don't get me wrong because I love me a flashy script. But goodness why does Hooaka make the player more blind than with what Kurohebi does? That and the whole things feels rather...Hodgepodgy. There's effects from Touhou, Len'en, Touhou Fighting, Ido, same with the bullets.
I dunno
This whole script is a perfect example of why it's important to have multiple people test play your thing. Because I guarentee you nobody would ever understand how Tsurubami's last spell would work without someone showing you first.
Side Note: Who the hecc voted for Necroslamtasia The Reebot? qwq I completely forgot I spent a full day copying an AJS script just for the shitposts.
Well, I think it's ok for a one-off script to be potentially memo in some things and play testers would still complain about that. I think Pruns went for a difficulty that would be accessible for players of that level if they practiced for a clear, and went under the assumption that they would practice to beat it.
That said, this definitely needed some eyes on it before release because...wow the visual effects and some of the gimmicks are ridiculous.
Honestly it's mainly the insane amount of screen shaking and visual effects that makes it way harder than it would be without them.
I wish that toned-down versions of these attacks would show up in the actual games because they're creative and a spectacle.
Unironically one of better Len'en scripts.
If only because it shows the absurd nature and difficulty this series poses for so many people.
Hell yeah I've been waiting for this
Went to recommend "the pure wishful haniwa" but it was already on your poll!
Love the video as always
This is incredible....and basically a full game. It even has stage sections.
I love the visuals
This is like if Yuke's works were playable.
I now understand why Yuke's works aren't playable.
rip the patreon supporters, the render was taken from us too soon
Honestly, despite not being the type of script I enjoy, it's still baffling to see when you know for a fact this is someone's first real script.
Pruns is a great player, but he struggled with the balancing of this in a big way. I wish I had been more insistent in my advice when he had this going on (Like visibility issues and certain graphic usage), and even then, a lot of stuff still got much better in the final release (The Oxygen bar basically restored at half the pace it does in Normal mode IIRC... Yikes. Thank god for balancing.) Gimmicks galore also didn't help with the balancing, and playtesting this was hell. Overall, this is still one of the more impressive scripts out there with a variety of neat ideas, even if too many or not perfectly executed. I'm glad Pruns made something this impressive for a first script, I still cannot believe it myself even after all this time.
It certainly is impressive. I think he made a script that he will find enjoyable to play through himself, and if that's the case, then he reached that goal.
I might wanna check this out, and try Easy to see if there's any difference.
[EDIT]: Well, I tried it on Easy for a few runs. Got to Aoji's first spellcard. It's worse than I imagined xD. That 10 seconds of the script running itself on when you get a game over just kills the momentum. And yeah, not much difference between Easy and Normal, maybe 2 or 3 extra bullets per spellcard on Normal. The difficulties should be Hard, Unreal, Absurdly Unreal and Just No.
This script is why you should always get testers of varying skill levels to test your script before releasing. Many fangames had this problem lately, where the difficulty is pegged towards the Lunatic mode, unwilling to sacrifice game mechanics that are too tough for sake of inclusivity. HSoB's stage 5 boss is the only instance (to me) where this is done right.
Also wow, all the screen effects. First time scripter's overzealousness I guess.
I do agree that the script is beautiful and has very interesting ideas. Just the implementation of those ideas overshoots the target. When downloading the script, Pruns mentioned that this script has no mercy, and that you shouldn't try Unreal on your first time. I can respect him for giving that warning at least.
> unwilling to sacrifice game mechanics that are too tough for the sake of inclusivity
I get that learning a pattern that that is fairly gimmicky is challenging, but personally speaking as a scripter, the end result for lower difficulties often feels neutered to the point of it being boring, and that's the opposite of what you want.
Also, in that same respect, how unreasonable is it to try and learn that mechanic? These gimmicks in this script I feel are too much, but I also feel like people tend to give up once they see something that looks too intimidating for them instead of taking it by the horns and trying to learn it.
That all being said, I agree that HSoB S5 handles it really well. It keeps the core element of the pattern but changes it up in a way that makes it different, easier, but also still exciting in its own right.
I suppose it depends on whether the process in learning and solving them is fun, even if my skill level is casual Easy mode player. I still haven't managed to 1CC Normal mode MoF after 11 years of trying, but I still had fun trying. I'm just content with getting to experience Touhou as a low skill level casual player, because of that Easy mode. And be driven to learn the harder gimmicks and still having fun while doing so, even if I can't clear them ultimately.
When it gets so frustrating after several months of trying despite your drive and effort that you no longer enjoy the game, then there's no point trying.
On the other hand, some gimmicks should be off-limits even on Unreal. Forcing players to strain to see the bullets is straight-up damaging to your eye health.
It's all fun and games until Clause somehow breaks the 4th wall
The gimmicks, the creativity, the aesthetics are great. Just not executed well along with there being too much and it ended up with over the top difficulty (I know that's an understatement, even the "breath of fresh air" is quite vicious with tough to see bullets)
so this is what pruns has been doing for the last 2 years
Yeah I voted for that :3
Well guess other people talked enough about difficulty and stuff so I keep it short.
Cool ideas, great attacks and a perfect example for very good and very bad decisions.
A great inspiration!
A G Free/Maiden's Capriccio remix? What is this, Concealed The Conclusion?
Ok honestly? I haven't seen this script in a long time and I think Normal difficulty is a bit overblown in terms of it's reputation. It's possible that my years of Touhou have finally caught up with me and I see things that look easier than they are, but ehhh we'll see lol.
There's quite a bit of bullshit peppered in there (ESPECIALLY with Clause, good Lord) but most of the actual difficulty comes down to the overwhelming amount of effects in this script. The actual patterns themselves seem fairly challenging but far from impossible for Normal mode standards. It's really a good case study in terms of effects and gimmicks getting in the way of gameplay. Though some of the gimmicks seem like pure memo.
On a positive note, however, this script definitely does its part in *looking* badass. It's definitely too much but these bosses are really aggressive and I like that a lot. I feel like this captures the energy of these bosses really trying to kill you, while most Touhou and even Len'en attacks are pretty indirect. Also some of these pattern ideas are really cool, even outside of their respective gimmicks.
I can respect what this script tried to do.
I was going into this video expecting something Lunatic level but I can safely say if there was better visual design, Clause nerfs (and please get rid of that moon jump, ewwww), and a couple more tweaks this could've been Normal-Hard difficulty easily.
On one final note to end on, I think it's important to have games or even scripts where the design around your chosen difficulty is aimed a bit higher than average. I feel like Touhou players tend to like their chosen difficulty being a breeze to them and more of a light romp, but I think a Touhou shmup should still be an adequate challenge for that difficulty - I think having an accessible game is great but ultimately if there's no challenge why bother playing it?
EDIT (after the credits): Ok honestly I feel you in terms of that difficulty scaling. Targeting the wrong areas for difficulty balancing is definitely not good and that difference between Normal and Unreal is definitely punier than I expected.
I sometimes wonder if Reimu forgets the whole "Float away from everything" thing she can do. I'd be fun if there was a script where Reimu snapped and just Fantasy Nature'd her way through everything.
Speaking of Len'en scripts, one that I've recently discovered is "The Pure Wishful Haniwa" by TTBD. Unlike some of the other scripts I've recommended, this doesn't rely on jokes or a gimmick, but it's just an all-around fun and exciting battle with some awesome-looking danmaku. And there's no dialogue, so Bee won't be angry. This one instantly hooked me, so I hope you like it!
Yup, it's on the poll (ttbd himself actually requested it).
Soon as it wins you'll see me play it (it does look fun as hell)
Dialogue is fine when it's done succinctly. Scripts don't need 10+ minutes of lore (usually), and things titled 'Boss Rush' should remember what "rush" means.
I’d try scripting but I’m too lazy for that
16:15 Claustrophobia
5:20 So Tsubakura is not gonna remove the water?
What a bitch!
5:27 And she turns it into a ink pit?!
*Ever worse.*
I wonder if everyone’s aware of these Len’en characters committing spellcard plagiarism...
I mean, there is a Clause player script where he shouts his name at you as part of his shot
Instant kill
7:09 Reimu is facing someone with some of her own tricks.
23:10 Well she *IS* an Extra Boss, after all.
5:54 Much better.
25:28 Get on equal footing with Yukari first, then you can start talking about equal footing with Tsurubami...
Now that I think about it, which Touhou characters have bird names?
I have to ask, whats the difference between patreon votes and public votes?
Patreon votes basically get saved and roll over to the next poll.
For the public votes, the poll is reset and started from 0 every time like normal
For the Patreon polls however, anything that gets voted for and doesn't win gets saved for the next poll.
So say, ICM got 6 votes here. Every vote for the next poll gets added to those 6.
@@MegamanOmega184 and it eventually gets picked, so patreons get sure fire future picks in a sense, alright thanks
15:57 Why are *YOU* the one to talk?! WHY *YOU?!!*
6:04 Are you seriously ripping off Shinki and Byakuren, Tsubakura?
so umm, are you finished commenting
oh jesus christ
Yesus can't help u in Mugenri~ *smirks*
@@Hizumi9922 Hi, how's Gensokyo doing
@@stellarphantasmvfx5504 Boring like always.. no fun for us old Youkais.
I... really don't like this. It's _clearly_ an awesome script with a truckload of amazing gimmicks and ideas, but then absolutely ruined by horrible balance. I mean, kudos to the guy, but talk about a skewed sense of difficulty... =u="
EDIT: From Clause onwards it's just pure bullshit. Pruns what the hell.
I don't like this fan game
-Kijin Seija