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Thank for this list. Having all top7 characters from top10 list really makes me feel better about not having the bottom 3 guys from the list. Maybe this means I can finally start pulling for characters I like since all the recent abysses were no big problem to 36*... oh wait. imaginariun theatre. I guess Ill have to gump a ton of resin into bulding a ton of characters to lvl 70
This is a very good list, a lot of things I agree with. -Nahida - is in the right place -Zhongli - I would argue with the release of xilonen and citlali, the sheild plus crystallize combo gives enough survivability on most meta teams to kick him out, but I see his appeal for less meta teams. Personally I would not have him on this list but all good. -Yelan - I hate to say it but I think Yelan should be 9th, the fast hydro app is becoming less useful with citlali being better for arle, and double hydro teams arent best in slot anymore, now running mavuika as a dual dps is the best bet for like navia and others. -Citlali - Im tempted to put her higher, and all the points you made are good, I would just put kazuha at 7 and citlali at 6 -Neuvilette - since I moved kazuha he would be 5th, but the points you made are all right -Mavuika - I hate to stan over a boring character who I wish I didnt pull and who copied my mains kit (raiden) and just made it natlan-y, but I do think that with the dual dps stuff as well as having the highest damage ceiling in the game for the comfort, she deserves 3rd and benny should be 4th -Pre 5.3 I would have benny 6 or 7, but with citlali now cementing melt as meta he is back where he used to be, however bad QoL puts him below Mavuika but its close -Furina - I think this is less close every time I look at it, bc furina is only BiS for neuvi now out of the new big 3, and so even though she has great flexability, I honestly think the number one pick has more good decision -Xilonen - Unequivocally the best character in Genshin as of 5.3. I find it funny that everyone says they would still use kazuha over her when she was released, and now kazuha has been benched by everyone lol. She is the best universal buffer in the game, has a easy, great kit that not only res shreds, elemental buffs, but also makes geo characters playable. -Raiden - You can substitute her for whatever your main is, but I would like to present my case: -Infinte Interupption at c0 -Can lower energy reqs so you can build more offense -easy to play -very flexible -can be dps, buffer, support, sub dps, sommetimes all at same time lol -Hottest character -Great frontload for speedrunning potential TGS great video I hope you have an amazing day!
Remember Guys, TGS' word is the gospel and you should treat it as such. If he says your character isn't in the top 10, they're absolute garbage and you should feel bad
Don't forget to mention that if you get half of the list wrong, you lose half the characters on your account, the next 50/50 to a Qiqi and the next artifact only rolls into flat ATK. The audacity for players to play their favorites and prioritize fun over efficiency in a video game I swear
@@dokidokidango1896 the efficiency over fun players are a very tight minority, despite people harping on them all the time. This is because most "meta" players go for both fun and efficiency
Benny was starting to drop om usage back in the middle of fontaine specially when Neuv dominanted the meta. But after Arle, Clorinde, Chasca, Kinich and Mavuika came in having Benny as their BiS, Benny bounced back hard into top5 again. Dude is goated.
@@power123-05 he is the only broken 4 star that still doesn't have alternative helps a lot. Back then xinqqiu and xiangling might ve also made it but we have Furina and Mavuika to fill their shoes, Bennett haven't found one
He has best role compression of 1.0 4*s. Not only massive flat atk buff and healing, but the 15% pyro dmg bonus, pyro battery potential, and pyro infusion is very strong. Pyro infusion is like the best elemental infusion to have for an external infusion support.
Kazuha got the special power of 1.x four star and isekai’d to five star Edit: inb4 someone jump at me, I didn’t pull Kazuha vs Sucrose card. I mean 1.x roaster that still has a lot of use till this day. Edit2 : must change my edit again since people addicted to toxicity over a meme.
Honestly, he's great but can easily be replaced by Xilonen (longer duration buff, multi wave QoL, heal) or Sucrose (less field time, EM buff, TTDS) in most of his teams at this point. So I woud put him at #7 and Citlali at #4.
Imagine saying Sucrose wasn't one of the 1.0 4 stars with a good kit lmao People are so weird with their anime characters that Kazuha is "offended" when you say Sucrose is a sidegrade or even an upgrade in some compositions. 5 star sucrose was always a compliment, but anime pfps got triggered @@詩姫-m1c
It's incredible that for every 4 new DPS that launch, 3 need to have Bennet in the team (it's not even an exaggeration, of Natlan's 4 DPS, only Mualani doesn't use him)
@@MIQ2005 It's all an elaborate ploy to rerun Mavuika and Xilonen together as primogem bait and have Xbalanque's banner right after. Hoyo'll make him a 5* Bennet without circle impact that only works with Nightsoul carries, and his c2 will be a 35% boost to the team's dmg. His banner will make them millions. Mark my words.
Why? I’m sure other characters would replace the ones we have now. It’s the nature of things, everything changes but stays the same. Everything has an end.
Maybe im coping but she could get better in future, just that dendro completely dominated for an entire year back in sumeru so they focused on other stuff as well as less used dendro reactions like burning and burgeon
@@ISMythixDendro dominated cause the investment you need to do on them to reach similar results with the units present at the time was much lesser. Nowadays the firepower we have with the likes of Neuv, Arle, Natlan DPSs makes using Dendro EM-focused teams feel lackluster. Hyperbloom will still have a place in the META as the easy way to defeat Genshin's hardest content however you will get so much more firepower moving forward
If it is up until C2, Mavuika would go some places, her C2 is downright busted, and Arle will make it into the list since her C1 is nuts. Then maybe Furina dethrones Xilonen since Furina C2 is slightly better than Xilonen C2. Then kaz C2 changes place with Benny and rest may remain the same. Chasca C2 could sneak on too maybe.
Xilonen and Furina are both busted but i think Furina being Hydro, that enables multiple op reactions, still makes her more flexible and more valuable imo. I also appreciate her 100% healing uptime
Right? Back in beta people used to shit on her healing mode, but my god is it convenient. You could remove it and she will still be as good but it's just a nice bonus
Mavuika outscaling every other dps is pretty bad for the game imo. Archons are usually the best at what they do; Furina's buffs, nahida dendro application, zhongli's shield. As a result they age pretty well over time. But she's mostly a dps so she will either get outscaled in the future because they inevitably need to sell us new dps or she will be the dmg ceiling in the game forever. She does so much dmg so it leaves a lot of room but still They released 3 dps before her and she immediately outshined them lol why did they do this
Still dont understand how Zhongli is 9th over Nahida with the arrival of Citali and Lanyan. Dont see where he's anything but a comfort unit so meta wise he doesnt have his place in the top 10 imo
Well hate to break it to u but alhaitham is just another dps dendro driver. He will probably get replaced in the future if ever hoyo gazes upon dendro reactions again
I would be interested in a mid-investment(C2R1) tier list next, if possible. many 5* become massively stronger at this level of investment, it would be interesting to see the differences. on this list, I mostly agree with everything. I would argue that Kazuha should be a bit lower, because he's been replaced or at least became just an alternetive instead of BiS teammate in most of his teams, because of Xilonen and Citlali
It doesnt really put him much lower tho. Kazuha getting competition lines up with the decline of dendro so where you used to run a dendro team on 2nd half you now find yourself more often running 2 phec teams. An account having the top 5 is still preferrable to the rest of the top 10 as 6-10 are mostly team specific and commit you to a comp more than the 1-5 who are mostly universally needed.
@@ufhheko7044 im a welkin only player, bought bp thrice and thats it. and i have c2r1 for kazuha, nahida, mavuika, and soon furina. i also have c4r1 clorinde. so yeah c2r1 5 star is mid investment
Furina should still be no.1 imo.. Xilonen is a bit more universal but furina does more in the teams she can fit in(which is a lot of them). Probably the best sub dps, 75% dmg buffs,healing bonus, can enable hunter for dps, hydro res, unconditional off field hydro app, great for overworld, etc. She makes so many non meta units good/playable
Do you have furina cons? Furina cons make a big difference. Her C0 buffing is not always gonna be at max stacks so you have a character buffing 40-70% dmg while doing good offfield dmg vs a character like xilonen who provides 40% dmg as well as 36% shred and healing. Depending on the teams damage profile Xilonen can be a better damage option as she provides more buffs to the main carry and potential same element sub dps while furina provides damage of her own and buffs all subdps. Xilonen simply has a bunch of little plusses add up to put her over the top. She provides long buffs with a short field time, has incredible healing and is much more universal. She also just doesnt need any artifact substats you can build ER and enough Def/Healing bonus for her to comfortably heal but its not really required if you only burst when you need healing and level her talent. Furina needs a decent amount of work put in while xilonen just does not.
Furina needs a healer & if you run single target healers like Bennett then forget about getting 75 dmg bonus it's more around 40, plus her application is straight up worse than Xingqui/Yelan & Wtf do you mean by hydro res ? Also xilonen is much better for overworld cuz she both run like yelan & the fastest wall climber in the game even outside natlan
There are many teams that balance them And they’re both the top 2 units in the game imo But I do the think the decisive factor is that Xilonen has a spot on the best team in the game while Furina doesn’t
Ur points sound very biased. Furina wouldn’t even be top 3 sub dps (those would be emilie, xiangling/mavuika, fischl), her hydro application IS unconditional but it’s also inconsistent, her overworld application is niche (walking on water) while xilonen is fast and can climb. On top of this, furina makes many non-meta characters playable but not necessarily meta. If u look at the top 3 dps (mavuika, neuvi, arle) from a c0r0 standpoint, they all benefit more from xilonen than furina (neuvilette at c0 gets more out of xilonen than furina, hence why his best c0 team is with xilonen/mavuika/citlali). Even the other strong dps like navia and chlorinde use xilonen better. This is in no way a shot at furina (she is still top 2 imo and works with most units), but the points u made r more reasons why xilonen is better than furina currently.
I'd put Nahida a bit higher, actually. Dendro teams aren't the best anymore, but they still let you easily bring the big guns on the other side in the abyss. Plus the abyss ennemies tend to be dendro friendly with their shields
Honestly, after releasing xilonen, i don't use kazuha anymore. And the only issue with this list is kazuha. I think he should be lower than Mavuika and neuvi. Kazuha's buffs have very short uptime and that's a big disadvantage. I wish his buffs were just 2 seconds more 😢
I don’t use Kazuha and I don’t have Xilonen. I play Dendro and Anemo teams and he doesn’t really help on those. Got him early at 20 pity when I tried to get Kachina cons. I don’t mind, I used him to gather materials after clearing key line blossoms but that’s about it. 😂
@@schehreh Why? She doesn't work with the characters I like and play. How does she help Wanderer? Or Nilou? Or Kinich? The only one she could help on my account is Cyno but Baizhu is better for him.
One thing that keeps Yelan relevant is being a bow user! She has strong buffing and personal damage and is usually the best option to bring down the Aeonblight Drake (which keeps making an apperance) without bricking your team comp. Even Mualani tends to be using her against that boss. Because of this, Yelan is one of my GOATs.
Zhongli still top 10 is something I can't really agree on. With us getting Xilonen, Citlali and Lan Yan lately. All good defensive units that take over his spot in any remaining team I can't really see him being thid high. (Yes Lan Yan counts as she is out on the release of this video)
agreed zhongili has much better replacements on almost any team. he was only used a lot pre xilonen, but not post xilonen he's completely fallen off. still useable of course, but far inferior. xilonen also heals so much and is so easy to build. unless you're getting one shot there's no point in using zhongli. pair that with all the new shielders we're getting who have way better support capabilities, its no question he's taken a huge hit to his relevancy.
He's still the best option for Neuvillette if you're using Mavuika's BiS team, which already uses Xilonen and Citlali. If Zhongli isn't top 10, then Yelan and Nahida aren't. Both of them don't really have top meta teams. It depends on how you look at things.
This is a very good list, a lot of things I agree with. -Nahida - is in the right place -Zhongli - I would argue with the release of xilonen and citlali, the sheild plus crystallize combo gives enough survivability on most meta teams to kick him out, but I see his appeal for less meta teams. Personally I would not have him on this list but all good. -Yelan - I hate to say it but I think Yelan should be 9th, the fast hydro app is becoming less useful with citlali being better for arle, and double hydro teams arent best in slot anymore, now running mavuika as a dual dps is the best bet for like navia and others. -Citlali - Im tempted to put her higher, and all the points you made are good, I would just put kazuha at 7 and citlali at 6 -Neuvilette - since I moved kazuha he would be 5th, but the points you made are all right -Mavuika - I hate to stan over a boring character who I wish I didnt pull and who copied my mains kit (raiden) and just made it natlan-y, but I do think that with the dual dps stuff as well as having the highest damage ceiling in the game for the comfort, she deserves 3rd and benny should be 4th -Pre 5.3 I would have benny 6 or 7, but with citlali now cementing melt as meta he is back where he used to be, however bad QoL puts him below Mavuika but its close -Furina - I think this is less close every time I look at it, bc furina is only BiS for neuvi now out of the new big 3, and so even though she has great flexability, I honestly think the number one pick has more good decision -Xilonen - Unequivocally the best character in Genshin as of 5.3. I find it funny that everyone says they would still use kazuha over her when she was released, and now kazuha has been benched by everyone lol. She is the best universal buffer in the game, has a easy, great kit that not only res shreds, elemental buffs, but also makes geo characters playable. -Raiden - You can substitute her for whatever your main is, but I would like to present my case: -Infinte Interupption at c0 -Can lower energy reqs so you can build more offense -easy to play -very flexible -can be dps, buffer, support, sub dps, sommetimes all at same time lol -Hottest character -Great frontload for speedrunning potential TGS great video I hope you have an amazing day!
The only really bizarre pick is Zhongli, he's so outdated and often detrimental due to low energy gen, bad favonius user, inconsistent pillar, geo messing with reaction without payoff etc
Yet he is the most played unit in abyss every time, breaks geo shields faster than anyone else, and has the best and longest shield in general. Most players are on mobile and have high ping, having that comfort is more necessity than being sweaty when you have more than enough characters that can cheese through every content in the game despite not being in the most optimal comp.
@@surreabelhe wasn’t top 10 in the recent abyss or barely top 10 Citlali took his spot as the most used shielder And now Lan yan at c2 is a better shielder then him
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 one abyss vs a long history of 50+ abysses. still S. also as I already said Lan Yan's shield can get one shot before you can refresh its hp with na (c2) because base shield is thin. also 12.5 vs 20, most rotations are 16+.. you aren't stopping midway to refresh a shield.
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 also Citlali is mostly used for her cryo app, and scroll set, and because she was recently released and Mavuika is a top dps.. her shield actually is way weaker. and tgs didn't put Zhongli above Citlali anyway. So that argument is pointless. I'm justifying why tgs putting him in 9 isn't bizarre at all.
I agree on Bennett placement. To think that back then in the 1.0 days, he is supporting on my best teams in history, from my Xiao Teams, to 2.0 with Raiden National and now to 5.0 with Mavuika Melt. He may be unlucky but boy am I so lucky to have him. Especially on full cons.
My personal list 1. Xilonen- fits in nearly every great team in the game including the outright best team in the game 2. Furina- might as a whole package be the best character in the game considering her sub dps and buffs. But below Xilonen because basically all Furina best teams have Xilonen. Meanwhile the outright best team in the game has Xilonen but not furina 3. Bennett- he’s Bennett 4. Mavuika- best dps in the game outright, great support role and sub dps. The core of the best team in the game 5. Citlali- Buffs every single pyro character to another level while bringing a decent shield 6. Kazuha- still amazing, but Xilonen kinda his downfall. I’d have him below Citlali for example because. If he and Citlali are on the banner and I’m asked by a newbie who can only get one, whom they should get. I’d tell them get Citlali and then get Xilonen when she reruns so… 7. Neuvilette- 2nd best dps in the game. Most comfy and can reach his ceiling quite easy. One of the only dps that won’t be hurt my Mavuika monopolizing your Bennett 8. Nahida- she is dendro. So still valuable, like if any dendro buff comes, like iansan turns out to be an absurd aggravate dps. Nahida stocks rise. 9. Raiden- I’m a Raiden simp 10. Yelan- great hydro app, we all know yelan Hon. Mention: if you’re actually willing to put the time and sanity to mastering mualani and her gameplay doesn’t bother you. She’d probably be as high as 6 Great vid btw
My list would be TOP-raiden cause she's in a league of her own to be the inuzuma introduction of their archon was the best yet . Venti was like waa random guy who play music Zhongli was like hmm broke but intelligent Nahida was well she was a prisoner Furina feels like another fishal Mavuika was like our long lost friend While raiden feels like an actual God 1 xilonen 2 furina 3 Mavuika 4 benette 5 navia Neuvi doesn't make my list because I couldn't one cycle the geo wolf lord in the previous abyss while my international team did it with a full 4 star team He's benched because of his awful performance
My list would be - 1. Bennett (the day 5* Bennett comes is the day id put him at 4 or lower) 2. Xilonen 3. Furina 4. Mavuika 5. Kazuha 6. Nahida 7. Neuvilette 8. Fischl 9. Citlali 10. Chevreuse
@kwayke9 Nahida feels like one of cheat codes for new players thats struggling with abyss. just slap Kuki + Xingqiu + Flex along with her and its probably good enough to clear one side of abyss. The team is easy to build too.
this is agreat list imo, i feel like 1-15 is pretty much personal opinion at this stage . Like how yelan and xq could still be top 10 depending on how you view the game (xq not so much now) . And someone like arlechhino is also a great contender since she have vape , overload and melt team that are competitive. And interms of best you can pretty much make a case for everyone
While I don't agree with everything, the only thing I strongly disagree with is saying that Nahida aged poorly. She supports/enables the whole element with only Kinich - Emilie being the only dendro team where Nahida isn't BiS, and even if we hadn't had a character specifically hyperfocused on aggravate/spread/bloom since Sumeru, these teams are still good, comfortable and relevant nowadays. I love my Alhaitham QB and still use it in many Abyss clears, especially because it doesn't require Bennet/Xilo/Furina/Kaz, so the second team gets BiS composition without copium swaps
Mavuika is probably higher than kazuha right now. Kazuha has too many better replacement in some teams from chevreuse in Pyro/Electro, Xilonen in most teams and now Citlali in Vaporize/Melt. Swirl is also tricky and he has less buff duration compared to those units. - While Mavuika, being the best DPS. Also actually great support as well for some DPS like Kinich, Mualani, Navia, Clorinde even Neuvilette. In some of those teams she is the absolute BiS. - Im agree with Xilonen being the best 5*, but even im not sure if she is better than bennett when there is like, no other characters that can substitute him at all.
That’s not how that works. No matter what she’s a dps at the end of the day. She can do all the damage she wants but the game is clearable with someone doing even half of that damage. What enables that much damage in the first place is supports. If your argument is that he’s replaceable then the same exact thing can be said for every other support where they aren’t a literal essential character for the team to function.
@TerraTheWise he is not just replaceable. He is worse compared to supports ive mentioned in some teams (shorter buff duration, cant reapply the viri set against multiwave enemies, etc). Which is why Xilonen is higher here since she fixes most of Kazuhas main problem - And Mavuika is also a great sub dps-Support. Even my Navia teams deals more DPR with Mavuika as sub dps instead of Furina.
@@agidokiyt2164 Chev is restrictive in nature and only exceeds him at C6. Xilonen is a sidegrade in pretty much every team except Mavuika and Mualani. His personal damage and grouping makes up for his longer field time and shorter buffs. Most content I’ve put them against each other they cleared in basically the same times. I believe there were even showcases when Xilonen first came out showing there was basically no clear time differences between them. Melt wasn’t even really a thing for him in the first place too unreliable. Mavuika is a worse sub dps than Furina by a lot. Much shorter uptime and worse off field damage. If you’re clearing faster with Mavuika in a team where she can’t react her burst damage then the variable or change that let Mavuika clear faster has nothing to do with Furina. That much is fact.
@@TerraTheWise im not saying Mavuika is overall better than Furina. But if you seen Abyss showcases of Kinich, Navia, Clorinde, etc with Mavuika you know that she is actually one of the best sub dps currently WHILE also being the best DPS in the game. There is no off field Pyro sub dps that is as good as her thanks to the dmg bonus buff she provides. - Chevreuse is restrictive, sure. But then they release Xilonen, and also Citlali. Kazuhas value slowly decreasing. And to make it even worse Sucrose also able to replace him in current meta for some teams where you need EM more (cough cough Mavuika, Mualani).
@@TerraTheWiseat some point, the overwhelming amount of damage she provides surpasses other characters' supporting value. Mavuika literally kicks Furina out of her own best team (c0 neuvillette).
I guess role consolidation really is what puts the top of the top above others. The best buffers are the ones who offer extra roles for the team: kazuha brings grouping, bennett and xilonen bring healing... And furina brings hydro. Which honestly might as well be a buff on its own lmao (Even thoug melt is finally seeing some light hallelujah)
Until the day we get a Bennett replacement he has to be numbah 1 despite all his flaws , if you remove him from the game alot of top tier dps would fall off. Can't exactly say the same for Furina or Xilonen.
Haha, was waiting for Bennett to show up, Circle Impact forever. Kinda surprised having some main DPSs on the list, though it makes sense, as you do need some carries/main DPSs, even if supports are more valuable in general.
I agree with most of the list, regarding the inclusions. The placing of each character could be different, but that's mostly irrelevant imo. However, I disagree with Zhongli on the list. Especially when XQ, XL, Fischl, and Sucrose arent included. ALSO Lan Yan now exists, she has a better shield than Zhongli when she gets C2 (assuming the shield doesnt get one-shotted that is), you can swirl the shield to the opponent's element to make it more durable, AND VV res shred.
Idk about this. We have Xilonen alternatives. The only team where you absolutely need her is Mavuika. Bennett has no replacement. If you could choose team where you’d run Xilonen/Kazu or Bennett. It’s Bennett.
Bennett doesn’t function on any non attack scaling teams, where xilonen and kazuha do work. Hell, even in some attack scaling team bennett gets outshined (xiao team)
@@apurba4578but xilonen doesn't work with anemo and dendro character while kazuha doesn't work with geo, dendro, and he doesn't buff anemo character Even if he is outscaled he is still a very cheap option for those who r misisng 1-2 part of some best teams
But that’s the thing The only team where you absolutely need her is Mavuika. Lemme rephrase it for you ‘The only team where you absolutely need her is for the strongest team in the game’. That’s kind of a big deal Then add in the fact that you need her for geo teams like navia where she has no replacement And in teams you can use kazuha she’s just better than him Then Bennett can only be used in atk scaling teams. Meaning he doesn’t work with two of the best dps in game (mualani and Neuvilette). Then yeah I think she’s more valuable
This is better than what I recently saw with someone who claim to be as "UNBIASED" in making their list. That is just simply impossible tbh. So I appreciate one that is more honest to self and blatant like this rather than claiming to be an unbiased party.
Damn, my girl Arle didnt make it into his top 10, but I could agree. Also, nice seeing furina finally dethroned, with some of the latest carries not particularly needing her like Arlecchino and Mavuika, and the debut of xilonen, furina is being less and less needed, she no longer is the mean to all ends.
Arle is just another replaceable pyro dps. Basically Hu tao without the charged attacks. Neuvilette tho has a crazy kit even though is a dps i think he deserves to be in this list for his perfect brain dead playstyle
Arle is a special case cuz she can’t get healed, making her anti-synergy with furina. Furina is one of mavuika’s best supports. She’s the next best thing after Citlali, and vape is one of mavuika’s best reactions. Xilonen’s release did the opposite of what you think. Her release made furina even stronger cuz she’s an excellent healer while also being arguably the best support. So yeah, it’s not clear if furina was “dethroned” just yet lol.
THats thanks to Xilonen and Citlali that Furina isn't as needed. Citlali does a lot for pyro carries and forward melt is trending up in the metagame. Xilonen also does a lot for teams that don't need Furina's hydro application, like Wrio melt, melt with Chasca, or Mavuika.
@@Akagami364 Furina's not a 2nd place contendor for mavuika's best supports. Furina's hydro application extending past a rotation makes it hard for Mavuika's skill to allow pyro aura on enemy for Xilonen to crystallize, adn rotation time gets extended too, plus Mavuika would be extra squishy with Furina. Yelan would be arguably better than Furina since she aligns with 18s rotations and as it is a manual coordinated attack, Xilonen can get pyro crystallize for cinder city. Yelan's safer for Mavuika vape in more ways than one- safer survivability, safer rotations without extention, and safer pyro reactions for cinder city.
Well this list is subjective after all. Furina is number one to me since I can think of many more teams that benefit massively from Furina who there’s no real replacement for but with Xilonen there’s tons I can think of where I can just use Zhongli or Kazuha and the performance doesn’t change that much. The only team that really wants Xilonen is Mavuika. Even Furina is still a top tier choice for Mavuika, Chasca, and Kinich. Two of which don’t really want Xilonen. TGS is clearly a little biased towards her for whatever reason.
best dps : mavuika , support : xilonen, kazuha sub dps plus dmg amplifiers : furina yelan , again mavuika (her passive gives 40 percent dmg buff plus scroll), best shield : zhongli
I actually remade my personal tierlist 2 days ago so my top 10 is: 1. Xilonen 2. Furina 3. Yelan 4. Bennet 5. Mavuika 6. Fischl 7. Kazuha 8. Sucrose 9. Neuvilette 10. Chevreuse (11. Nahida 12. Citlali) Overall obviously TGS knows what he's talking about more then me. But I feel like he's undervaluing 4 stars in this quite a bit
@JohnSmith-kj3jy straight up not true, she's also better with mavuika and arle aswell. And thats just with the newer dps's any team where em is technically better then elemental damage bonus sucrose is better in. Combine this with Xilonen stepping on kazuha's toes way more then surcrose's and imo they are close to even now
yelan in top 3????? Are we living in 2023???? Bennet is just flat out better, hes used in more teams than furina xilonen and yelan while giving wayy more buffs.
It's funny that so many people say "we need another Bennet" and I just stare at my c6 Chevreuse. I know a lot of people don't have her, but it's just smarter to leave bennet for the vape, mono pyro teams
@@TerraTheWiseAn archetype that allows you to use most of your broken supports on the second side, doesnt require you to do reactions to do damage, has great elemental checks and great multi wave performance? Idk how thats bad, I could understand if you criticized the way they dont make the new 4 stars so accessible but there is nothing you can say about her performance, legit nothing.
@TerraTheWise Citlali only shreds hydro and pyro res, does that mean she shouldn't be as high as she is? No because she's literally the best in her niche, no other melt support can provide what she does. It's the exact same for Chevreuse. She's the reason why overload teams are strong in the first place. She has literally no replacements.
@@ginger2114 from the moment the tier list doesn't consider 5 star weapons because of accessibility, it is also reasonable to say it affects the characters themselves and specific new four star characters can be harder to obtain than five star characters, even more at higher constellations. I'm a day one player, I don't have a single Chev. She doesn't come in any banners that are not Raiden/Clorinde. I already had Raiden (and Arlecchino since chev is coming with her now) from her first banner and I'm never pulling for Clorinde so I'm leaving this patch without a single Chev yet again. So yeah, a unit you can specifically pull for is better value than a unit you can't pull for
Furina actually changed the game, which is insane. before her, your DPS characters usually had 1 or 2 artifact sets that they would want to use because it worked well with their kit or element. Furina SINGLEHANDEDLY made it so that almost every single DPS character can use Marechaussee Hunter as either BiS or a VERY solid option for getting your team rolling before you can farm for better artifacts. i cannot stress enough how insane that is i cant think of another character that allows for THAT MANY other characters to completely change the way you build them. she's absolutely incredible also yes im biased because shes the best written character in the entire game and i still cry thinking about Masquerade of the Guilty
For the most part I understand the rationale given for most of these picks. Only one I'd disagree with is Nahida who I think should be higher. She unlocks endgame content with 4-star characters in a way that I don't think any of the others do. When she came out, my nahida teams were more consistent AND did more damage than any of the teams I had previously. We've all played and loved (well played at least) national variants and her floor was just higher. She has to be top-5 for me on any ranking unless your ranking stipulates only end-game accounts run by knowledgeable players. Sure, that is probably most of the audience here but is also maybe 5% of the player-base. For a generalized ranking though, I think she needs to be higher.
I find myself disagreeing with Zhongli being on this list, but I guess that comes down to differences in what I think is more important for a character to be the best. Zhongli is too replaceable and unnecessary to be one of the best IMO. Yes, his sheild is the strongest in the game, but you don't need a shield as strong as his. I'd argue Chevreuse deserves to be there purely because overload is nothing without her. Yes, she's more niche, but she is to overload what Citlali is to melt. It's literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb without Chevreuse. But I get it. The comfortability that Zhongli provides to teams is second to none.
@Kaihiwatari705 that's true but he's usually not the best person to have in that slot. In the same way that Kazuha's value can be brought down in this list because he has replacements like Xilonen, Zhongli also should for the same reason. Chevreuse's value as a character skyrockets purely because she has no replacement in overload
I think there are a big amount of teams in the middle of the pack that just really hate their lives without zhongli shield, mostly every single chargebow character.
@@AYAA616 u probably never played on a high ping, mobile device. also overload teams are not nearly the ceiling of dmg, they are average teams at best. you'd rather run dendro teams with electro and melt/vape teams with pyro because they are more dmg, and Zhongli can fit into any of them and you are able to clear with more comfort than anyone.
I don't like the idea that Dendro's fallen off, since it litterally never changed performance. The rest of the game caught up and surpassed, which is okay.
The thing is dentro teams never got buffs like nilou , alhaitham etc. They are still the same carries like they were on release where pyro hydro especially hydro teams keeps getting buffs every other patch. Like litrally every new support comes and becomes Bis for neuvillette.
@@serhanmtit's opposite lol. Mavuika mains wer literally enjoying thier Pyro carry but Arle glazers went all in and said 'oh a bike ew' 'less damage than Arle' and this sh
My list would be: Xilonen Furina Bennett Mavuika Neuv Kazuha Yelan Chevreuse Citlali Lan Yan Xilonen no. 1 since she just became best healer for Furina and is incredibly easy to use, build, and a revived many teams, including boosting geo's performance and cryo teams performance. Furina no. 2 since she is best buffer and sub dps in the game and she just enables SO many teams and enables 2nd best dps artfact set in the game plus really strong off-field dps. Bennett no. 3 is simiar to TGS but really has impressive sole consolidation and he is the only insane atk buffer we have and its like atk scaling characters are balanced around his existence. Bennett's existence really holds the atk-scaling roster together. Mavuika no. 4 since she has 2nd best Aoe of a main dps, does huge damage, big nukes, universal dmg buff, and has useful off-field pyro application that I found to be useful for Xilonen geo teams where Yelan was my next best pick with Furina, but Mavuika does desire natlan characters to feel strong and more amplifying reaction-centric than other top dps. Neuv is 5th place but makes it there as the easiest main dps to use, incredibly flexible, one man army, really tanky, and best AoE of any main dps, but struggles with more ST-oriented lineups in Abyss. Neuv doesn't have strict team archetype requirements so he performs very well, but doesn't have support capacity like Mavuika that can keep Mavuika relevant if the day comes when Neuv and Mav gets powercrept, such as by likes of Skirk or future playable powerhouses like Hexenzirkel. Kazuha in 6th place since he was best buffer and res shredder before Xilonen and does great personal damage and most practical grouping, but as grouping became less necessary, so too was Kazuha's handy grouping, and it also became more frustrating with multi-wave lineups that diminish the value of VV in practice. Yelan in 7th place since she just makes a great double hydro core with Furina for many and Hu Tao or for hyperbloom, plus she just does very well with XIngqiu in dealing with the void wards that frustrate many. She is also the hydro applicator to use for likes of Arlecchino prior to melt meta, and also from personal experience, a better option over Furina for Mavuika melt. Chevreuse in 8th place since Chevreuse really helped electro and pyro synergy and made overload more promising, even if its just a condition, but overload Clorinde, Arlecchino, Mavuika, and Lyney cooks pretty hard. She is the best 4* 4.x has released. Citlali takes 8th place since she is a great Cinder City holder and amazing enabler for pyro and hydro dps, and forward melt is really great. What keeps her from being higher is freeze itself and little help she gives to it and freeze not working on bosses or claymores shattering frozen and preventing melts in a vapemelt. Fortunate for Citlali, top dps are either hydro or pyro. Lan Yan no. 10 since she has great value as a shielder, VV res shredder, can hold TTDS, group fodder enemies, and would replace Zhongli in many teams. She's an overall buff to the value of aggravate teams. Just my personal list on top 10.
Imo bennet is number one. There so many meta teams that really want him in their team. He bis for prettty much all attack scaling characters. Xilonen has alternative in kazuha, furina is great but have limitions.
No. His kit might be very OP by sharing base attack but he is restricted to only ATK scaling units and his burst is circle impact. The top spots are definitely Furina and Xilonen as they are newer units who dont rely on circle impact
@@JatinPrajapati-m4n Atk is 70% of the team in the game, if he is BIS in 70% of all teams then he should be 1#. Circle impact is anti bennet propaganda, who tf is leaving a literal cirlce that has a 8m radius and it almost enerv happends.
I didn’t think it was a controversial opinion but healing is way better then CC in the current meta imo. Especially when arguably the best character in the game loves healers
Honorable mentions to Navia, Arle, Zhongli (cause he shouldn't be on this list lol) and Xingqiu & XL aaaaaaaaand Gaming i guess. Otherwise, great list. Solid reasoning. Well articulated. Entertained👍
I don't agree with Xilonen being over Furina, or Zhongli over Nahida. Still Natlan is uining the game for F2P. Powercreep is extreme, and getting all new meta units is impossible.
It's acceptable since furina needs c1or c2 of her high peak support but xilonen c1 have all the things you need but at c2 she the best support for most dps .and xilonen doesn't need furina Furina needs xilonen
I'd be VERY curious to see HOW valuable Bennet actually is in ATK scaling teams. People just say Bennet is a "must have" etc but from my personal experience my clear times with and without Bennet tend to be quite similar, often in favour of the Bennetless teams. Of course that is just my personal experience limited by my personal skill and builds, but I'd be interested to see proper calcs and comparisons with teams that use Bennet vs using a replacement like a sub dps character etc.
My times differ a lot. The difference between Bennet and someone like Thoma in the same Kinich team is like day and night. Is your bennett properly built?
I’d just personally disagree a lot with Zhongli Citlali is a more valuable shielder than him And now lan yan is more valuable because of vv and even lan yan has a better shield And I also do feel Mavuika is just outright more valuable than Neuvilette
hoyo making 4 archons (which people pull for lore reason anyway) and a 4 star from 1.0 the meta deserves praise, meanwhile hsr got a new meta unit every patch lmao
@@alphierzero55nah citlali is on another level compared to another cryo 5 stars. Shes much more valuable and is a part of the best team in the game currently, and her constellations are cracked too (half of them provide massive buffs). Hoyo knows she sells well, and they just can't fumble the bag by not rerunning her
prediction before watching :) 1. Beny 2. dps form the last year. -i.e. Furina, Neuiv, Xilonen, Mavuika, Arli, Citlali, Chevruse 3. Kazu 4 few 4 stars like Fichl, Kuki c2, Xl maybe? powercreep is not real. its in ur mind XD
Well Kazuha, Zhongli and Bennett are 1.x characters. They are still on his list. Yelan is a 2.x characters. Nahida is a 3.x characters, but she is an archon. For others, it is true they are from Fontaine and Natlan. It could be worse.
A pretty interesting list and i fully understand why u put characters where they are. If i had to make a list it would be 1)bennet 2)xilonen 3)nahida 4)furina 5)kazuha 6)mavuika 7)yelan 8)citlali 9)neuv maybe? 10) sucrose/xq To explain the top 4 cuz a lot of people will dissagree. Bennet and nahida pretty much feel needed in a lot of teams they are played in with no real good offensive alternative. I used to put kazuha there with them but since the release of xilonen she took his place mainly cuz of how ez she is to use. Her buff uptime last longer, her field time requirements are shorter, she heals a ton for furina and most importantly imo is that her res shred doesn't need to be reaplied. For furina she is prob overall the strongest character u don't need. I play furina in a lot of teams mainly neuvilette, arle, hu tao teams but none of these teams really need her to preform really well if u have either alternatives like yelan for alhaitham hu tao and mavuika for neuvilette and there are tons of other examples
Good stat stick, but not that great compare to the past as recent top DPS use either MH set and Natlan version kf MH set gives that has gives too many Crit if use with that weapon and its harder to balance the crit ratio (ideally 1:2) through artifact, unless you are veteran who farm too many of them to not care about it
Maybe I should specify because its not hard to understand What Lan yan provides is more than what zhongli provides as zhongli's main selling point is comfort *(Zhongli has the most comfortable shield that can be used in many teams while Lan Yan has most the offensive buffing shield thanks to VV)* Lan Yan objectively has the best type of shield in the game bar none regardless of duration comparison Its funny to even talk about the usefulness of shields when there are bosses and enemies that go right through a 60K+ HP zhongli shield making it so you might want to dodge instead In conclusion Lan Yan powercrept zhongli's versatility for team building in most teams if you want an anemo character and a shielder making it so you can use a different flex all together or just a better flex overall than zhongli in some cases *(this is assuming you don't need grouping)*
@@CrytecNBOMB i guess you haven't played on 200-300 ms+ ping (the reality of most players especially mobile players).. you pretty much need a tanky shield especially because there are strong enemies (plus a healer.) the little bit of dmg increase doesn't mean anything when you keep retrying due to dying.. most teams today are strong enough with three characters to add a Zhongli in there just for the comfort. abyss usage statistics have proven that since ages, zhongli is always in S and higher.. and sure citlali lanyan layla kirara baizhu are great because we also need shields for the other side, but Zhongli is always the most optimal option for most players. if you have great network and device and low dmg in your team comps only then you need to maximize dmg with vv instructors and optimal sheet dmg comps. most casuals don't need or do that.
@@surreabelLook I'm not disagreeing with you here... I know how the game operates at 200+ ping btw but anyways some things are just a matter of preference I've seen people play boldly without zhongli's shield on high ping both non casual and casual players alike Its easy to recommend zhongli for people who tend to struggle in multiple scenarios of reasons There's a reason why he's popular but, some teams don't need his level of comfort since even a kirara and layla can do his job decently well too in terms of shield strength and those are 4 stars, *(This was my point originally)* but if you prefer zhongli as many people do its worth using him since in abyss like you said there are 2 teams so if you have another team you really want a shielder in than he can go there Despite saying all this there are a lot of decent shield options to a point that zhongli is the most _luxurious_ choice of comfort so I've noticed many people have a skewed perception of zhongli and that won't change even tho you don't need the most optimal DMG to clear Lan yan objectively has the best type of shielding whether you play her or don't kinda like bennett that people complain about not playing him or xiangling *(This is my last response)* In my opinion I find baizhu just as comfy as zhongli, And saying what casual players "Need" is kinda yikes as like I said its more subjective nowadays than it was back in the patch 2.0 timeline Looks like we may need a video on TH-cam one day about different types of casual players nowadays because they do exist
Xilonen definitely upped the ante on ease of use and fitting anywhere. Exactly what you want for a buffer/healer. She just needed to pull in enemies lol. She also has great overworld use. I barely use my kazuha now except for farming ley lines. Furina is great but shes basically restricted to abyss otherwise she's just overkill and having to constantly heal entire teams quickly limits you to a few healers
Respectable list. Only thing I’d change is Furina being number 2. To me there’s just far more teams Furina improves a lot that Xilonen is barely an upgrade or even a Sidegrade in. Even Kinich and Chasca want Furina while Xilonen doesn’t help either of them much funny enough. They made her insanely flexible and able to buff every element while Xilonen only buffs PHEC and provides no extra damage herself.
If xilonen is replaceable with kazuha & zhongli then So is furina replaceable with chasca & kinich cuz mavuika & emilie are equal or better than furina there, old dendro teams like bloom/hyperbloom would rather use xinqui/yelan & wouldn't even feel the difference. If you look at the top 5 best carries right now i.e Mavuika/Arlecchino/Neuvillete/Mualani/Navia all have xilonen in their bis teams while Furina is only bis with Neuvillete & 3rd or even 4th bis with Mualani/Navia/Mavuika & with Arlecchino she just sucks. Plus the furina actively ruins the citlali melt teams. This is a meta list & natlan is the meta right now. (Tbh I would put furina as no.1 before mavuika & citlali but now they just replace furina in a lot of teams)
I respect the list, very good video Ill probably change zhongli for chevi since the hp of enemies in the spiral abyss is increasing offensive options in my opinion gain more value.
You said that Mavuika prefers Furina to Yelan, does she though? Mavuika's highest damage Vape combo is C2D spam (or 4C2D C) which does work with Yelan as starting the charged attack procs Yelan's Burst I'm not sure if you end up losing some of Yelan's damage but even if you do, Yelan's and Mavuika's cooldowns alilgn perfectly at 18s while Furina's 20s cooldown extends your rotation by 2s which seems a pretty big deal if you want to optimise
Furina is better because you don't suffer in AoE and she deals higher damage herself. You can also do the same combo with Furina so I don't really see what's your point here, this only proves Yelan is a good alternate for enabling
@@lastorderx20001 my point in mentioning the combo is that the optimal combo works with Yelan without adjusting it and losing DPS and the way it was presented in the video it seemed like the "triggering on normal attack" is the problematic part for Yelan in Furina teams Furina dealing higher damage isn't too relevant as she's still a damage loss to Yelan if you don't one-rotate the content AoE is a good point though so I'd say in single target Yelan > Furina, in AoE Furina > Yelan
@@lafeechloe6998 That doesn't mean Yelan isn't the best option for Vape Mavuika in some situations. If you are able to execute 18s rotations instead of 20s Furina would forces you into, that will be a higher DPS over Furina teams regardless of how much personal damage Yelan is losing compared to teams that use normal attacks constantly Yelan was also a lot of better last Abyss because as a Bow user she fulfilled 12-3-2 Aeonlight Drake check And there's the issue of HP drain without shield and with Bennett as your healer - going down to 70% HP before getting healed while having Pyro applied on yourself makes you quite prone to getting oneshot
I do wonder if they're going to roughly leave Dendro where it is as an element, or if they're ever going to add some type of interaction for it? Because anything cores is capped by EM buffs, 5-cores at a time. I'm not super knowledgeable at theory behind reactions, but Dendro is starting to feel limited vs vape and melt, and even Overload tends to have access to Bennett besides niche buffers. I don't really see burning or aggravate truly getting a support that pulls it ahead of this meta, so unless they do something funky, is this kindof... it for Dendro? Was this its time in the sun but now it's doomed to the shadows of forever power crêpe't vape and melt numbers? Nod-krai mystery power, quantum/imaginary elements? What can get Nahida back up again?
@@ginger2114 Chevreuse should've totally been top 10 no questions asked. For Yelan I can see Fischl/Arlecchino replacing that spot. Yelan and Xingqiu have not been the greatest since Fontaine
If we get Bennett's alternative, (similar to Xingqiu-Yelan), I kinda want that character to be non-Pyro. It would be more interesting to have the same buffer with different elements. * I have to pick an element. I want Cryo.
I dont think they would even make another benny. His kit is cracked with the flat attack buff. If they ever will people will just stack the two bennys together
Me having every single one of these units: Looks like I have done nothing wrong. (Also me: getting accidental clorinde and qiqi, while wanting to get c0 chevreuse and ending up with C6 rosaria and C6 lanyan, and not a single chevreuse: ....)
Bro you scared me now. I want a C6 Chevy, have her C0 atm. But I don't want to get Arle nor Clorinde, I have a C1 Arle already and she mops, don't need her C2, and I don't have a Clorinde but don't need her, won't even use her if I get her. Damn, the real 5* there is C6 Chevy, she is busted.
Ugh. We seriously need an Epitomized Fate system for rate-up 4*s (characters and especially weapons) I remember getting 3 five-star weapons (spent 230 wishes) before I got my first 4* Xiphos Moonlight sword! was so frustrating. and then my friend getting C2 Raiden before he got his first Sara.
@@DoT_TD c3 gives shield lvl c4 gives 60em c6 gives another charge to her sheild making her way more comfy to use. Her cons aren't busted but their pretty good
Honestly that Xilonen and Furina placement feels fair. If it was me, I wouldn't be able to say for certain which is better, while everything he said about Xilonen was true, Furina also enables characters and comps that were barely relevant before. Otherwise yeah, pretty much how I'd put the list as well.
Brace yourself, Mavuika hater's incoming. Most of them: Either doesn't have her OR They have her but doesn't have both of her meta supports(xilonen&citlali). 😂
I always think these kind of tier lists are so unnuanced that they're a problem, like Mavuika/Arle/Hu tao are basically interchangeable depending on the circumstances, sure Mavuika performs best overall but not so much that that the other two are completely overshadowed, then we have the supports they NEED and prefer, just having a unit that doesn't need Bennett already makes that character several times more valuable, then it's probably the most important part: do they feel good to use? take Mualani, she can do such absurd damage that it's ridiculous, but she sometimes feels horrible to use, or someone like Raiden who is no longer meta but used to be, using her in the overworld wasn't that fun so she'd come out like twice a month, is that worth it? An interesting list though, many things discussed in it that's worth considering, like Nahida is really really strong but she's not that useful anymore unless you want aggravate, hyperbloom, or Nilou superbloom.
I have c2 kazuha and I dont use him much anymore. Xilonen is usually just better. Getting all his buffs up and not messing with reactions is impossible in most cases.
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Thank for this list. Having all top7 characters from top10 list really makes me feel better about not having the bottom 3 guys from the list. Maybe this means I can finally start pulling for characters I like since all the recent abysses were no big problem to 36*...
oh wait. imaginariun theatre. I guess Ill have to gump a ton of resin into bulding a ton of characters to lvl 70
Appreciate that you used 4* weapons for the calcs. Please keep doing that.
Great video and I agree with the list completely but my list I add furina number 1 Xilonen number 2
How is this comment made 12 days ago💀
This is a very good list, a lot of things I agree with.
-Nahida - is in the right place
-Zhongli - I would argue with the release of xilonen and citlali, the sheild plus crystallize combo gives enough survivability on most meta teams to kick him out, but I see his appeal for less meta teams. Personally I would not have him on this list but all good.
-Yelan - I hate to say it but I think Yelan should be 9th, the fast hydro app is becoming less useful with citlali being better for arle, and double hydro teams arent best in slot anymore, now running mavuika as a dual dps is the best bet for like navia and others.
-Citlali - Im tempted to put her higher, and all the points you made are good, I would just put kazuha at 7 and citlali at 6
-Neuvilette - since I moved kazuha he would be 5th, but the points you made are all right
-Mavuika - I hate to stan over a boring character who I wish I didnt pull and who copied my mains kit (raiden) and just made it natlan-y, but I do think that with the dual dps stuff as well as having the highest damage ceiling in the game for the comfort, she deserves 3rd and benny should be 4th
-Pre 5.3 I would have benny 6 or 7, but with citlali now cementing melt as meta he is back where he used to be, however bad QoL puts him below Mavuika but its close
-Furina - I think this is less close every time I look at it, bc furina is only BiS for neuvi now out of the new big 3, and so even though she has great flexability, I honestly think the number one pick has more good decision
-Xilonen - Unequivocally the best character in Genshin as of 5.3. I find it funny that everyone says they would still use kazuha over her when she was released, and now kazuha has been benched by everyone lol. She is the best universal buffer in the game, has a easy, great kit that not only res shreds, elemental buffs, but also makes geo characters playable.
-Raiden - You can substitute her for whatever your main is, but I would like to present my case:
-Infinte Interupption at c0
-Can lower energy reqs so you can build more offense
-easy to play
-very flexible
-can be dps, buffer, support, sub dps, sommetimes all at same time lol
-Hottest character
-Great frontload for speedrunning potential
TGS great video I hope you have an amazing day!
Remember guys if your favorite character isn’t number one then they’re an objectively bad unit and if you pulled for them you bricked your account ❤
yes absolutely ruined acc
Lmao😭
no way I love my Ayaka',
Turns out you can un-brick your ruined account by arguing that your favorite character is undervalued in the comments.
ig I'll delete my account since I pulled for c2 raiden and c1 arle as f2p 🙏
Remember Guys, TGS' word is the gospel and you should treat it as such. If he says your character isn't in the top 10, they're absolute garbage and you should feel bad
Don't forget to mention that if you get half of the list wrong, you lose half the characters on your account, the next 50/50 to a Qiqi and the next artifact only rolls into flat ATK.
The audacity for players to play their favorites and prioritize fun over efficiency in a video game I swear
@@dokidokidango1896 the efficiency over fun players are a very tight minority, despite people harping on them all the time.
This is because most "meta" players go for both fun and efficiency
@@ironwoodkid9577 arlecchino main…
@@el7284 these people act like people who get their fun with video games by being efficient doesn't exist or casuals can't appreciate big numbers.
Yeah come on guys, Genshin is a HARDCORE game, not for filthy casuals pulling for waifu over meta.
Bennett being the only 4 star here tells how insane he is.
Benny was starting to drop om usage back in the middle of fontaine specially when Neuv dominanted the meta. But after Arle, Clorinde, Chasca, Kinich and Mavuika came in having Benny as their BiS, Benny bounced back hard into top5 again. Dude is goated.
@@power123-05 he is the only broken 4 star that still doesn't have alternative helps a lot. Back then xinqqiu and xiangling might ve also made it but we have Furina and Mavuika to fill their shoes, Bennett haven't found one
i mean that burst of his alone is the best ability in the game
@@alexferrier5732clorinde definitely dont have bennett as her BiS
He has best role compression of 1.0 4*s. Not only massive flat atk buff and healing, but the 15% pyro dmg bonus, pyro battery potential, and pyro infusion is very strong. Pyro infusion is like the best elemental infusion to have for an external infusion support.
despite kazuha being an older 5 star, and still having made the top 5 shows how good of a character he is
Yeah true, also note benny is an og four star who is irreplaceable with an alternative rn which is wild
Kazuha got the special power of 1.x four star and isekai’d to five star
Edit: inb4 someone jump at me, I didn’t pull Kazuha vs Sucrose card. I mean 1.x roaster that still has a lot of use till this day.
Edit2 : must change my edit again since people addicted to toxicity over a meme.
Honestly, he's great but can easily be replaced by Xilonen (longer duration buff, multi wave QoL, heal) or Sucrose (less field time, EM buff, TTDS) in most of his teams at this point. So I woud put him at #7 and Citlali at #4.
So does Bennett 😂
Imagine saying Sucrose wasn't one of the 1.0 4 stars with a good kit lmao
People are so weird with their anime characters that Kazuha is "offended" when you say Sucrose is a sidegrade or even an upgrade in some compositions. 5 star sucrose was always a compliment, but anime pfps got triggered @@詩姫-m1c
It's incredible that for every 4 new DPS that launch, 3 need to have Bennet in the team (it's not even an exaggeration, of Natlan's 4 DPS, only Mualani doesn't use him)
yeah for me he's the #1 character because he's irreplaceable while the other units have side grades and don't feel like shit without using them
bennet has no rival (yet)
@@MIQ2005 It's all an elaborate ploy to rerun Mavuika and Xilonen together as primogem bait and have Xbalanque's banner right after. Hoyo'll make him a 5* Bennet without circle impact that only works with Nightsoul carries, and his c2 will be a 35% boost to the team's dmg. His banner will make them millions. Mark my words.
The true Pyro Archon
I actively avoid any main dps that needs bennett because FUCK circle impact
Nahida being 10th would be crazy to even think of a few patches ago
Why? I’m sure other characters would replace the ones we have now. It’s the nature of things, everything changes but stays the same. Everything has an end.
Maybe im coping but she could get better in future, just that dendro completely dominated for an entire year back in sumeru so they focused on other stuff as well as less used dendro reactions like burning and burgeon
She's better than tenth imo and any new, shiny reverse melt dps she'd immediately be BiS for
she is better than yelan and zhangli atleast
@@ISMythixDendro dominated cause the investment you need to do on them to reach similar results with the units present at the time was much lesser. Nowadays the firepower we have with the likes of Neuv, Arle, Natlan DPSs makes using Dendro EM-focused teams feel lackluster. Hyperbloom will still have a place in the META as the easy way to defeat Genshin's hardest content however you will get so much more firepower moving forward
High investment (c1-c2 r1) top 10 next? It would be interesting to see what characters scale better or worse.
I'd say most of the list stays the same, except for Nahida and Citlali that shoot way up, and Kazuha and Bennett down.
Xilonen, mavuika, furina, neuvillette, arlecchino, clorinde, nahida, chasca, kazuha, yelan/ayaka/raiden/Miko/hu tao/chiori
Newer character will go up. There constellation are crack.
If it's C6 Chasca will be in top 3.
If it is up until C2, Mavuika would go some places, her C2 is downright busted, and Arle will make it into the list since her C1 is nuts. Then maybe Furina dethrones Xilonen since Furina C2 is slightly better than Xilonen C2. Then kaz C2 changes place with Benny and rest may remain the same. Chasca C2 could sneak on too maybe.
@mapekalianhna4986 they did say c1-c2 and r1. Not c6. Ik how broken c6 chasca is. I've had the fastest runs with her and mavuika
Xilonen and Furina are both busted but i think Furina being Hydro, that enables multiple op reactions, still makes her more flexible and more valuable imo.
I also appreciate her 100% healing uptime
Right? Back in beta people used to shit on her healing mode, but my god is it convenient. You could remove it and she will still be as good but it's just a nice bonus
I think xilonen is better now because her artifact is cracked and now she is not in Bis of best dps team(mauvika , arlecinno while xilonen is)
Mavuika outscaling every other dps is pretty bad for the game imo. Archons are usually the best at what they do; Furina's buffs, nahida dendro application, zhongli's shield. As a result they age pretty well over time. But she's mostly a dps so she will either get outscaled in the future because they inevitably need to sell us new dps or she will be the dmg ceiling in the game forever. She does so much dmg so it leaves a lot of room but still
They released 3 dps before her and she immediately outshined them lol why did they do this
Furina is love, Furina is life
Furina is top 1
@@nk30020she fell off, just like the guillotine
@@nk30020 that’s debatable. She’s still way too versatile and xilonens release only made her stronger. So for now I’d still keep her at #1.
@@nk30020Furina is top 1 in a lot of people’s accs frankly. I still personally think she is overall worth more than Xilonen.
@@Akagami364 yeah, she's still more versatile coz hydro enables different op reactions compared to Xilonen's Geo plus she can buff and heal as well.
Furina polarizes the meta to the point that every support that aren't meant to take her place in a team have healing in their kit
Still dont understand how Zhongli is 9th over Nahida with the arrival of Citali and Lanyan. Dont see where he's anything but a comfort unit so meta wise he doesnt have his place in the top 10 imo
for a comfort unit that has res shred and dmg bonus on artifact, thats really good value especially if youre on mobile or have high ping
I miss the days when alhaitham made this kind of list
Well hate to break it to u but alhaitham is just another dps dendro driver. He will probably get replaced in the future if ever hoyo gazes upon dendro reactions again
@ lol yeah I know all that I’m just nostalgic for 3.x days
same
same
Same here but for raiden
I would be interested in a mid-investment(C2R1) tier list next, if possible. many 5* become massively stronger at this level of investment, it would be interesting to see the differences.
on this list, I mostly agree with everything. I would argue that Kazuha should be a bit lower, because he's been replaced or at least became just an alternetive instead of BiS teammate in most of his teams, because of Xilonen and Citlali
It doesnt really put him much lower tho. Kazuha getting competition lines up with the decline of dendro so where you used to run a dendro team on 2nd half you now find yourself more often running 2 phec teams.
An account having the top 5 is still preferrable to the rest of the top 10 as 6-10 are mostly team specific and commit you to a comp more than the 1-5 who are mostly universally needed.
C2 R1 is not "mid-investment". its really high investment. i would even say its whale level.....
@@ufhheko7044 whales go at least to C6R1, many go C6R5. C2R1 can be easily easily achieved with proper planning
@@ufhheko7044 im a welkin only player, bought bp thrice and thats it. and i have c2r1 for kazuha, nahida, mavuika, and soon furina. i also have c4r1 clorinde. so yeah c2r1 5 star is mid investment
Kazuha's grouping is SO valuable.
Furina should still be no.1 imo..
Xilonen is a bit more universal but furina does more in the teams she can fit in(which is a lot of them). Probably the best sub dps, 75% dmg buffs,healing bonus, can enable hunter for dps, hydro res, unconditional off field hydro app, great for overworld, etc. She makes so many non meta units good/playable
Do you have furina cons? Furina cons make a big difference. Her C0 buffing is not always gonna be at max stacks so you have a character buffing 40-70% dmg while doing good offfield dmg vs a character like xilonen who provides 40% dmg as well as 36% shred and healing.
Depending on the teams damage profile Xilonen can be a better damage option as she provides more buffs to the main carry and potential same element sub dps while furina provides damage of her own and buffs all subdps.
Xilonen simply has a bunch of little plusses add up to put her over the top. She provides long buffs with a short field time, has incredible healing and is much more universal. She also just doesnt need any artifact substats you can build ER and enough Def/Healing bonus for her to comfortably heal but its not really required if you only burst when you need healing and level her talent.
Furina needs a decent amount of work put in while xilonen just does not.
Furina needs a healer & if you run single target healers like Bennett then forget about getting 75 dmg bonus it's more around 40, plus her application is straight up worse than Xingqui/Yelan & Wtf do you mean by hydro res ?
Also xilonen is much better for overworld cuz she both run like yelan & the fastest wall climber in the game even outside natlan
There are many teams that balance them
And they’re both the top 2 units in the game imo
But I do the think the decisive factor is that
Xilonen has a spot on the best team in the game while Furina doesn’t
@@nk30020 ig he means hydro resonance for like Neuvi and Mualani
Ur points sound very biased. Furina wouldn’t even be top 3 sub dps (those would be emilie, xiangling/mavuika, fischl), her hydro application IS unconditional but it’s also inconsistent, her overworld application is niche (walking on water) while xilonen is fast and can climb.
On top of this, furina makes many non-meta characters playable but not necessarily meta. If u look at the top 3 dps (mavuika, neuvi, arle) from a c0r0 standpoint, they all benefit more from xilonen than furina (neuvilette at c0 gets more out of xilonen than furina, hence why his best c0 team is with xilonen/mavuika/citlali). Even the other strong dps like navia and chlorinde use xilonen better. This is in no way a shot at furina (she is still top 2 imo and works with most units), but the points u made r more reasons why xilonen is better than furina currently.
I'd put Nahida a bit higher, actually. Dendro teams aren't the best anymore, but they still let you easily bring the big guns on the other side in the abyss. Plus the abyss ennemies tend to be dendro friendly with their shields
Ah.. bennett, the true pyro archon..
Ah.. Xilonen, the true geo archon..
@@AnneYoungHaseyo Bennet> xilonen. (Bennet is just mroe versatile and has better buffs)
@AlwaysThirstys 💀
Honestly, after releasing xilonen, i don't use kazuha anymore. And the only issue with this list is kazuha. I think he should be lower than Mavuika and neuvi. Kazuha's buffs have very short uptime and that's a big disadvantage. I wish his buffs were just 2 seconds more 😢
I don’t use Kazuha and I don’t have Xilonen. I play Dendro and Anemo teams and he doesn’t really help on those.
Got him early at 20 pity when I tried to get Kachina cons. I don’t mind, I used him to gather materials after clearing key line blossoms but that’s about it. 😂
@ThePenguinsKing try to get xilonen on her rerun. The only current must-pull characters are xilonen and furina (and maybe Mavuika)
@@ThePenguinsKing xilonen doesn't work on anemo and dendro teams either though, if you mean bloom teams and stuff like xiao and wanderer
He is more versatile than mavuika and neuvi tho, and I did not pull for xilonen and pulled for citlali, he's still good
@@schehreh Why? She doesn't work with the characters I like and play. How does she help Wanderer? Or Nilou? Or Kinich? The only one she could help on my account is Cyno but Baizhu is better for him.
One thing that keeps Yelan relevant is being a bow user! She has strong buffing and personal damage and is usually the best option to bring down the Aeonblight Drake (which keeps making an apperance) without bricking your team comp. Even Mualani tends to be using her against that boss. Because of this, Yelan is one of my GOATs.
pretty decent overall list, i've benched zhongli for an on-fielder, be it mualani or alecchino, but thats just my take
Zhongli still top 10 is something I can't really agree on. With us getting Xilonen, Citlali and Lan Yan lately. All good defensive units that take over his spot in any remaining team I can't really see him being thid high. (Yes Lan Yan counts as she is out on the release of this video)
agreed zhongili has much better replacements on almost any team. he was only used a lot pre xilonen, but not post xilonen he's completely fallen off. still useable of course, but far inferior. xilonen also heals so much and is so easy to build. unless you're getting one shot there's no point in using zhongli. pair that with all the new shielders we're getting who have way better support capabilities, its no question he's taken a huge hit to his relevancy.
He's still the best option for Neuvillette if you're using Mavuika's BiS team, which already uses Xilonen and Citlali. If Zhongli isn't top 10, then Yelan and Nahida aren't. Both of them don't really have top meta teams. It depends on how you look at things.
This is a very good list, a lot of things I agree with.
-Nahida - is in the right place
-Zhongli - I would argue with the release of xilonen and citlali, the sheild plus crystallize combo gives enough survivability on most meta teams to kick him out, but I see his appeal for less meta teams. Personally I would not have him on this list but all good.
-Yelan - I hate to say it but I think Yelan should be 9th, the fast hydro app is becoming less useful with citlali being better for arle, and double hydro teams arent best in slot anymore, now running mavuika as a dual dps is the best bet for like navia and others.
-Citlali - Im tempted to put her higher, and all the points you made are good, I would just put kazuha at 7 and citlali at 6
-Neuvilette - since I moved kazuha he would be 5th, but the points you made are all right
-Mavuika - I hate to stan over a boring character who I wish I didnt pull and who copied my mains kit (raiden) and just made it natlan-y, but I do think that with the dual dps stuff as well as having the highest damage ceiling in the game for the comfort, she deserves 3rd and benny should be 4th
-Pre 5.3 I would have benny 6 or 7, but with citlali now cementing melt as meta he is back where he used to be, however bad QoL puts him below Mavuika but its close
-Furina - I think this is less close every time I look at it, bc furina is only BiS for neuvi now out of the new big 3, and so even though she has great flexability, I honestly think the number one pick has more good decision
-Xilonen - Unequivocally the best character in Genshin as of 5.3. I find it funny that everyone says they would still use kazuha over her when she was released, and now kazuha has been benched by everyone lol. She is the best universal buffer in the game, has a easy, great kit that not only res shreds, elemental buffs, but also makes geo characters playable.
-Raiden - You can substitute her for whatever your main is, but I would like to present my case:
-Infinte Interupption at c0
-Can lower energy reqs so you can build more offense
-easy to play
-very flexible
-can be dps, buffer, support, sub dps, sommetimes all at same time lol
-Hottest character
-Great frontload for speedrunning potential
TGS great video I hope you have an amazing day!
Bennet is literally better than xilonen, his bad QOL is nearly on existent besides his circle which is pretty massive.
The only really bizarre pick is Zhongli, he's so outdated and often detrimental due to low energy gen, bad favonius user, inconsistent pillar, geo messing with reaction without payoff etc
Yet he is the most played unit in abyss every time, breaks geo shields faster than anyone else, and has the best and longest shield in general. Most players are on mobile and have high ping, having that comfort is more necessity than being sweaty when you have more than enough characters that can cheese through every content in the game despite not being in the most optimal comp.
@@surreabelhe wasn’t top 10 in the recent abyss or barely top 10
Citlali took his spot as the most used shielder
And now Lan yan at c2 is a better shielder then him
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 one abyss vs a long history of 50+ abysses. still S. also as I already said Lan Yan's shield can get one shot before you can refresh its hp with na (c2) because base shield is thin. also 12.5 vs 20, most rotations are 16+.. you aren't stopping midway to refresh a shield.
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 lol xilonen now is in mavuika side, zhongli is now usable in c0 neuvilette
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 also Citlali is mostly used for her cryo app, and scroll set, and because she was recently released and Mavuika is a top dps.. her shield actually is way weaker. and tgs didn't put Zhongli above Citlali anyway. So that argument is pointless. I'm justifying why tgs putting him in 9 isn't bizarre at all.
I agree on Bennett placement. To think that back then in the 1.0 days, he is supporting on my best teams in history, from my Xiao Teams, to 2.0 with Raiden National and now to 5.0 with Mavuika Melt.
He may be unlucky but boy am I so lucky to have him. Especially on full cons.
I will put dps lower(Neuvillette).
Support/sub dps > DPS most of the time.
Also Mavuika is a great sub dps/buffer with cinder.
My personal list
1. Xilonen- fits in nearly every great team in the game including the outright best team in the game
2. Furina- might as a whole package be the best character in the game considering her sub dps and buffs. But below Xilonen because basically all Furina best teams have Xilonen. Meanwhile the outright best team in the game has Xilonen but not furina
3. Bennett- he’s Bennett
4. Mavuika- best dps in the game outright, great support role and sub dps. The core of the best team in the game
5. Citlali- Buffs every single pyro character to another level while bringing a decent shield
6. Kazuha- still amazing, but Xilonen kinda his downfall. I’d have him below Citlali for example because. If he and Citlali are on the banner and I’m asked by a newbie who can only get one, whom they should get. I’d tell them get Citlali and then get Xilonen when she reruns so…
7. Neuvilette- 2nd best dps in the game. Most comfy and can reach his ceiling quite easy. One of the only dps that won’t be hurt my Mavuika monopolizing your Bennett
8. Nahida- she is dendro. So still valuable, like if any dendro buff comes, like iansan turns out to be an absurd aggravate dps. Nahida stocks rise.
9. Raiden- I’m a Raiden simp
10. Yelan- great hydro app, we all know yelan
Hon. Mention: if you’re actually willing to put the time and sanity to mastering mualani and her gameplay doesn’t bother you. She’d probably be as high as 6
Great vid btw
My list would be
TOP-raiden cause she's in a league of her own to be the inuzuma introduction of their archon was the best yet .
Venti was like waa random guy who play music
Zhongli was like hmm broke but intelligent
Nahida was well she was a prisoner
Furina feels like another fishal
Mavuika was like our long lost friend
While raiden feels like an actual God
1 xilonen
2 furina
3 Mavuika
4 benette
5 navia
Neuvi doesn't make my list because I couldn't one cycle the geo wolf lord in the previous abyss while my international team did it with a full 4 star team
He's benched because of his awful performance
"All Furina best teams have Xilonen, but not all Xilonen's best teams have Furina"
Absolute Cinema
@@nkosiezikalala5267 exactly my point lol 🤣
Great list.
Tho, kazuha is always number 1 for picking up loot.
I would swap Xilonen and Furina but I agree with rest
My list would be
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1. Bennett (the day 5* Bennett comes is the day id put him at 4 or lower)
2. Xilonen
3. Furina
4. Mavuika
5. Kazuha
6. Nahida
7. Neuvilette
8. Fischl
9. Citlali
10. Chevreuse
Yeah, Nahida should be a bit higher. Dendro teams don't need high demand supports, generally, so you can bring the big guns on the other side
@kwayke9 Nahida feels like one of cheat codes for new players thats struggling with abyss. just slap Kuki + Xingqiu + Flex along with her and its probably good enough to clear one side of abyss. The team is easy to build too.
@@agidokiyt2164 I mean, good luck for that new player to get Kuki out of nowhere.
this is agreat list imo, i feel like 1-15 is pretty much personal opinion at this stage . Like how yelan and xq could still be top 10 depending on how you view the game (xq not so much now) . And someone like arlechhino is also a great contender since she have vape , overload and melt team that are competitive. And interms of best you can pretty much make a case for everyone
While I don't agree with everything, the only thing I strongly disagree with is saying that Nahida aged poorly. She supports/enables the whole element with only Kinich - Emilie being the only dendro team where Nahida isn't BiS, and even if we hadn't had a character specifically hyperfocused on aggravate/spread/bloom since Sumeru, these teams are still good, comfortable and relevant nowadays. I love my Alhaitham QB and still use it in many Abyss clears, especially because it doesn't require Bennet/Xilo/Furina/Kaz, so the second team gets BiS composition without copium swaps
Mavuika is probably higher than kazuha right now. Kazuha has too many better replacement in some teams from chevreuse in Pyro/Electro, Xilonen in most teams and now Citlali in Vaporize/Melt. Swirl is also tricky and he has less buff duration compared to those units.
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While Mavuika, being the best DPS. Also actually great support as well for some DPS like Kinich, Mualani, Navia, Clorinde even Neuvilette. In some of those teams she is the absolute BiS.
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Im agree with Xilonen being the best 5*, but even im not sure if she is better than bennett when there is like, no other characters that can substitute him at all.
That’s not how that works. No matter what she’s a dps at the end of the day. She can do all the damage she wants but the game is clearable with someone doing even half of that damage. What enables that much damage in the first place is supports. If your argument is that he’s replaceable then the same exact thing can be said for every other support where they aren’t a literal essential character for the team to function.
@TerraTheWise he is not just replaceable. He is worse compared to supports ive mentioned in some teams (shorter buff duration, cant reapply the viri set against multiwave enemies, etc). Which is why Xilonen is higher here since she fixes most of Kazuhas main problem
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And Mavuika is also a great sub dps-Support. Even my Navia teams deals more DPR with Mavuika as sub dps instead of Furina.
@@agidokiyt2164 Chev is restrictive in nature and only exceeds him at C6. Xilonen is a sidegrade in pretty much every team except Mavuika and Mualani. His personal damage and grouping makes up for his longer field time and shorter buffs. Most content I’ve put them against each other they cleared in basically the same times. I believe there were even showcases when Xilonen first came out showing there was basically no clear time differences between them. Melt wasn’t even really a thing for him in the first place too unreliable.
Mavuika is a worse sub dps than Furina by a lot. Much shorter uptime and worse off field damage. If you’re clearing faster with Mavuika in a team where she can’t react her burst damage then the variable or change that let Mavuika clear faster has nothing to do with Furina. That much is fact.
@@TerraTheWise im not saying Mavuika is overall better than Furina. But if you seen Abyss showcases of Kinich, Navia, Clorinde, etc with Mavuika you know that she is actually one of the best sub dps currently WHILE also being the best DPS in the game. There is no off field Pyro sub dps that is as good as her thanks to the dmg bonus buff she provides.
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Chevreuse is restrictive, sure. But then they release Xilonen, and also Citlali. Kazuhas value slowly decreasing. And to make it even worse Sucrose also able to replace him in current meta for some teams where you need EM more (cough cough Mavuika, Mualani).
@@TerraTheWiseat some point, the overwhelming amount of damage she provides surpasses other characters' supporting value. Mavuika literally kicks Furina out of her own best team (c0 neuvillette).
I guess role consolidation really is what puts the top of the top above others. The best buffers are the ones who offer extra roles for the team: kazuha brings grouping, bennett and xilonen bring healing... And furina brings hydro. Which honestly might as well be a buff on its own lmao
(Even thoug melt is finally seeing some light hallelujah)
Until the day we get a Bennett replacement he has to be numbah 1 despite all his flaws , if you remove him from the game alot of top tier dps would fall off. Can't exactly say the same for Furina or Xilonen.
Top 10 best dps next please
1. Mavuika
2. Neuvillete
3. Arlechinno
4. Mualani
5. Navia
6. Kinich
7. Hu Tao
8. Alhaitham
9. Clorinde
10. Xiao
There you have it lol
@@Luishacker55 c6 gaming? hes top 3 pyro dps behind mav/arle because of citlali
Personally it would be :
1. Mauvika
2. Mualani
3. Arle
4. Neuvillette
5. Kinich
6. Navia
7. Clorinde
8. Gaming
9. Lyney
10. Chasca/ hutao / Xiao
@@Luishacker55 kinich>navia
Chasca is best if your a new player or lack skill.
Haha, was waiting for Bennett to show up, Circle Impact forever.
Kinda surprised having some main DPSs on the list, though it makes sense, as you do need some carries/main DPSs, even if supports are more valuable in general.
I agree with most of the list, regarding the inclusions. The placing of each character could be different, but that's mostly irrelevant imo.
However, I disagree with Zhongli on the list. Especially when XQ, XL, Fischl, and Sucrose arent included. ALSO Lan Yan now exists, she has a better shield than Zhongli when she gets C2 (assuming the shield doesnt get one-shotted that is), you can swirl the shield to the opponent's element to make it more durable, AND VV res shred.
Idk about this.
We have Xilonen alternatives. The only team where you absolutely need her is Mavuika.
Bennett has no replacement. If you could choose team where you’d run Xilonen/Kazu or Bennett. It’s Bennett.
Xilonen alternative is literally kazuha and surprsingly shes better than him unless the abyss has hilichurls
@ yeah but she is replaceable, unlike Bennett. You will survive with a Kazuha (who still is a great character).
Bennett doesn’t function on any non attack scaling teams, where xilonen and kazuha do work. Hell, even in some attack scaling team bennett gets outshined (xiao team)
@@apurba4578but xilonen doesn't work with anemo and dendro character while kazuha doesn't work with geo, dendro, and he doesn't buff anemo character
Even if he is outscaled he is still a very cheap option for those who r misisng 1-2 part of some best teams
But that’s the thing
The only team where you absolutely need her is Mavuika. Lemme rephrase it for you
‘The only team where you absolutely need her is for the strongest team in the game’. That’s kind of a big deal
Then add in the fact that you need her for geo teams like navia where she has no replacement
And in teams you can use kazuha she’s just better than him
Then Bennett can only be used in atk scaling teams. Meaning he doesn’t work with two of the best dps in game (mualani and Neuvilette). Then yeah I think she’s more valuable
This is better than what I recently saw with someone who claim to be as "UNBIASED" in making their list.
That is just simply impossible tbh. So I appreciate one that is more honest to self and blatant like this rather than claiming to be an unbiased party.
thanks, i needed this cleansing after watching zajef's diabolical tier list
Damn, my girl Arle didnt make it into his top 10, but I could agree.
Also, nice seeing furina finally dethroned, with some of the latest carries not particularly needing her like Arlecchino and Mavuika, and the debut of xilonen, furina is being less and less needed, she no longer is the mean to all ends.
Arle is just another replaceable pyro dps. Basically Hu tao without the charged attacks. Neuvilette tho has a crazy kit even though is a dps i think he deserves to be in this list for his perfect brain dead playstyle
Arle is a special case cuz she can’t get healed, making her anti-synergy with furina.
Furina is one of mavuika’s best supports. She’s the next best thing after Citlali, and vape is one of mavuika’s best reactions. Xilonen’s release did the opposite of what you think. Her release made furina even stronger cuz she’s an excellent healer while also being arguably the best support. So yeah, it’s not clear if furina was “dethroned” just yet lol.
THats thanks to Xilonen and Citlali that Furina isn't as needed. Citlali does a lot for pyro carries and forward melt is trending up in the metagame. Xilonen also does a lot for teams that don't need Furina's hydro application, like Wrio melt, melt with Chasca, or Mavuika.
@@Akagami364 Furina's not a 2nd place contendor for mavuika's best supports. Furina's hydro application extending past a rotation makes it hard for Mavuika's skill to allow pyro aura on enemy for Xilonen to crystallize, adn rotation time gets extended too, plus Mavuika would be extra squishy with Furina.
Yelan would be arguably better than Furina since she aligns with 18s rotations and as it is a manual coordinated attack, Xilonen can get pyro crystallize for cinder city. Yelan's safer for Mavuika vape in more ways than one- safer survivability, safer rotations without extention, and safer pyro reactions for cinder city.
Well this list is subjective after all. Furina is number one to me since I can think of many more teams that benefit massively from Furina who there’s no real replacement for but with Xilonen there’s tons I can think of where I can just use Zhongli or Kazuha and the performance doesn’t change that much. The only team that really wants Xilonen is Mavuika. Even Furina is still a top tier choice for Mavuika, Chasca, and Kinich. Two of which don’t really want Xilonen. TGS is clearly a little biased towards her for whatever reason.
best dps : mavuika , support : xilonen, kazuha sub dps plus dmg amplifiers : furina yelan , again mavuika (her passive gives 40 percent dmg buff plus scroll), best shield : zhongli
I actually remade my personal tierlist 2 days ago so my top 10 is:
1. Xilonen
2. Furina
3. Yelan
4. Bennet
5. Mavuika
6. Fischl
7. Kazuha
8. Sucrose
9. Neuvilette
10. Chevreuse
(11. Nahida
12. Citlali)
Overall obviously TGS knows what he's talking about more then me. But I feel like he's undervaluing 4 stars in this quite a bit
Sucrose is only best in slot for mualani teams. If you don’t own her, Kazuha is better in all scenarios.
@JohnSmith-kj3jy straight up not true, she's also better with mavuika and arle aswell. And thats just with the newer dps's any team where em is technically better then elemental damage bonus sucrose is better in. Combine this with Xilonen stepping on kazuha's toes way more then surcrose's and imo they are close to even now
yelan in top 3?????
Are we living in 2023????
Bennet is just flat out better, hes used in more teams than furina xilonen and yelan while giving wayy more buffs.
Chevreusse for me instead of Zhongli, but the rest is fine.
It's funny that so many people say "we need another Bennet" and I just stare at my c6 Chevreuse. I know a lot of people don't have her, but it's just smarter to leave bennet for the vape, mono pyro teams
Chev is locked one team archetype. Not top 10 worthy over anyone there
@@TerraTheWiseAn archetype that allows you to use most of your broken supports on the second side, doesnt require you to do reactions to do damage, has great elemental checks and great multi wave performance? Idk how thats bad, I could understand if you criticized the way they dont make the new 4 stars so accessible but there is nothing you can say about her performance, legit nothing.
@TerraTheWise Citlali only shreds hydro and pyro res, does that mean she shouldn't be as high as she is? No because she's literally the best in her niche, no other melt support can provide what she does. It's the exact same for Chevreuse. She's the reason why overload teams are strong in the first place. She has literally no replacements.
@@ginger2114 from the moment the tier list doesn't consider 5 star weapons because of accessibility, it is also reasonable to say it affects the characters themselves and specific new four star characters can be harder to obtain than five star characters, even more at higher constellations. I'm a day one player, I don't have a single Chev. She doesn't come in any banners that are not Raiden/Clorinde. I already had Raiden (and Arlecchino since chev is coming with her now) from her first banner and I'm never pulling for Clorinde so I'm leaving this patch without a single Chev yet again. So yeah, a unit you can specifically pull for is better value than a unit you can't pull for
Furina actually changed the game, which is insane. before her, your DPS characters usually had 1 or 2 artifact sets that they would want to use because it worked well with their kit or element.
Furina SINGLEHANDEDLY made it so that almost every single DPS character can use Marechaussee Hunter as either BiS or a VERY solid option for getting your team rolling before you can farm for better artifacts. i cannot stress enough how insane that is
i cant think of another character that allows for THAT MANY other characters to completely change the way you build them. she's absolutely incredible
also yes im biased because shes the best written character in the entire game and i still cry thinking about Masquerade of the Guilty
Had me till the end 😂
@archieprime I can't lie, I just really like Furina LMAO
In my opinion it's a perfect tierlist, everything makes sense
For the most part I understand the rationale given for most of these picks. Only one I'd disagree with is Nahida who I think should be higher. She unlocks endgame content with 4-star characters in a way that I don't think any of the others do. When she came out, my nahida teams were more consistent AND did more damage than any of the teams I had previously. We've all played and loved (well played at least) national variants and her floor was just higher. She has to be top-5 for me on any ranking unless your ranking stipulates only end-game accounts run by knowledgeable players. Sure, that is probably most of the audience here but is also maybe 5% of the player-base. For a generalized ranking though, I think she needs to be higher.
The whole sumeru dendro system is dying in this day and age of the spiral abyss. I don’t think nahida is that good anymore
Don't let Zajef see this video.
I find myself disagreeing with Zhongli being on this list, but I guess that comes down to differences in what I think is more important for a character to be the best. Zhongli is too replaceable and unnecessary to be one of the best IMO. Yes, his sheild is the strongest in the game, but you don't need a shield as strong as his. I'd argue Chevreuse deserves to be there purely because overload is nothing without her. Yes, she's more niche, but she is to overload what Citlali is to melt. It's literally coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb without Chevreuse. But I get it. The comfortability that Zhongli provides to teams is second to none.
I think is not about the protection but the resistance to interruption for a longer period of time compared to any other character
you can only use her in overload teams but you can literally use zhongli in almost any team.
@Kaihiwatari705 that's true but he's usually not the best person to have in that slot. In the same way that Kazuha's value can be brought down in this list because he has replacements like Xilonen, Zhongli also should for the same reason. Chevreuse's value as a character skyrockets purely because she has no replacement in overload
I think there are a big amount of teams in the middle of the pack that just really hate their lives without zhongli shield, mostly every single chargebow character.
@@AYAA616 u probably never played on a high ping, mobile device. also overload teams are not nearly the ceiling of dmg, they are average teams at best. you'd rather run dendro teams with electro and melt/vape teams with pyro because they are more dmg, and Zhongli can fit into any of them and you are able to clear with more comfort than anyone.
What does Xilonen do best? Climb, that's right, and climb the meta rankings she did
the amount of copium in this comment section is making me overdose just by reading
Oh , how the mighty dendro has fallen
I still remember when the answer to anything was hyperbloom
still is tho
still is just not the most convenient option anymore
I don't like the idea that Dendro's fallen off, since it litterally never changed performance. The rest of the game caught up and surpassed, which is okay.
The thing is dentro teams never got buffs like nilou , alhaitham etc. They are still the same carries like they were on release where pyro hydro especially hydro teams keeps getting buffs every other patch. Like litrally every new support comes and becomes Bis for neuvillette.
Oh no, the Arlecchino simps are gonna get bitter again with this take xD.
She doesn't bring anything to the table outside of being a selfish carry. Mavuika at least can be off fielder
if this was top 20 she would be 13th if this makes you feel better
@serhanmt it's not just mav mains that know that arle is worse
Mavuika mains are so obsessed with Arlecchino than Arlecchino mains lol
@@serhanmtit's opposite lol. Mavuika mains wer literally enjoying thier Pyro carry but Arle glazers went all in and said 'oh a bike ew' 'less damage than Arle' and this sh
My list would be:
Xilonen
Furina
Bennett
Mavuika
Neuv
Kazuha
Yelan
Chevreuse
Citlali
Lan Yan
Xilonen no. 1 since she just became best healer for Furina and is incredibly easy to use, build, and a revived many teams, including boosting geo's performance and cryo teams performance.
Furina no. 2 since she is best buffer and sub dps in the game and she just enables SO many teams and enables 2nd best dps artfact set in the game plus really strong off-field dps.
Bennett no. 3 is simiar to TGS but really has impressive sole consolidation and he is the only insane atk buffer we have and its like atk scaling characters are balanced around his existence. Bennett's existence really holds the atk-scaling roster together.
Mavuika no. 4 since she has 2nd best Aoe of a main dps, does huge damage, big nukes, universal dmg buff, and has useful off-field pyro application that I found to be useful for Xilonen geo teams where Yelan was my next best pick with Furina, but Mavuika does desire natlan characters to feel strong and more amplifying reaction-centric than other top dps.
Neuv is 5th place but makes it there as the easiest main dps to use, incredibly flexible, one man army, really tanky, and best AoE of any main dps, but struggles with more ST-oriented lineups in Abyss. Neuv doesn't have strict team archetype requirements so he performs very well, but doesn't have support capacity like Mavuika that can keep Mavuika relevant if the day comes when Neuv and Mav gets powercrept, such as by likes of Skirk or future playable powerhouses like Hexenzirkel.
Kazuha in 6th place since he was best buffer and res shredder before Xilonen and does great personal damage and most practical grouping, but as grouping became less necessary, so too was Kazuha's handy grouping, and it also became more frustrating with multi-wave lineups that diminish the value of VV in practice.
Yelan in 7th place since she just makes a great double hydro core with Furina for many and Hu Tao or for hyperbloom, plus she just does very well with XIngqiu in dealing with the void wards that frustrate many. She is also the hydro applicator to use for likes of Arlecchino prior to melt meta, and also from personal experience, a better option over Furina for Mavuika melt.
Chevreuse in 8th place since Chevreuse really helped electro and pyro synergy and made overload more promising, even if its just a condition, but overload Clorinde, Arlecchino, Mavuika, and Lyney cooks pretty hard. She is the best 4* 4.x has released.
Citlali takes 8th place since she is a great Cinder City holder and amazing enabler for pyro and hydro dps, and forward melt is really great. What keeps her from being higher is freeze itself and little help she gives to it and freeze not working on bosses or claymores shattering frozen and preventing melts in a vapemelt. Fortunate for Citlali, top dps are either hydro or pyro.
Lan Yan no. 10 since she has great value as a shielder, VV res shredder, can hold TTDS, group fodder enemies, and would replace Zhongli in many teams. She's an overall buff to the value of aggravate teams.
Just my personal list on top 10.
i see one sneak
Imo bennet is number one. There so many meta teams that really want him in their team. He bis for prettty much all attack scaling characters. Xilonen has alternative in kazuha, furina is great but have limitions.
No. His kit might be very OP by sharing base attack but he is restricted to only ATK scaling units and his burst is circle impact. The top spots are definitely Furina and Xilonen as they are newer units who dont rely on circle impact
The thing is atk is not everything.
@@JatinPrajapati-m4n Atk is 70% of the team in the game, if he is BIS in 70% of all teams then he should be 1#. Circle impact is anti bennet propaganda, who tf is leaving a literal cirlce that has a 8m radius and it almost enerv happends.
GUYS, today we are going to get stunlocked
and people were calling me delulu for predicting that xilo is better than kazuha, embarassed for them
They just like kazuha more because he is their uwu pookie twink
that may be a small minorty. She was obviously busted from the start
I didn’t think it was a controversial opinion but healing is way better then CC in the current meta imo. Especially when arguably the best character in the game loves healers
Along with easier buff/debuff proccing and way better uptime
but she also got way less value if you already have kazuha
Honorable mentions to Navia, Arle, Zhongli (cause he shouldn't be on this list lol) and Xingqiu & XL aaaaaaaaand Gaming i guess.
Otherwise, great list. Solid reasoning. Well articulated. Entertained👍
I don't agree with Xilonen being over Furina, or Zhongli over Nahida.
Still Natlan is uining the game for F2P. Powercreep is extreme, and getting all new meta units is impossible.
It's acceptable since furina needs c1or c2 of her high peak support but xilonen c1 have all the things you need but at c2 she the best support for most dps
.and xilonen doesn't need furina
Furina needs xilonen
What’s crazy is that most of the list have been on recent banners, and Furina is coming next patch too
Zhongli top 10?!?! 😭🙏
on paper he’s a dps loss for most teams but his comfort is unmatched, especially for mobile or casual players. makes sense in practice
I was fighting a local legend today and he came in clutch
Still the strongest shield in the game 4 years since his debut and very versatile in any team. I would be surprised if he's not top 10
Also insane character for shield breaking which is relevant in a ton of events lately.
Yeah y not? Y'all forgot how he carried ur sorryas in early games. Sho who do u wanna pus there then 🤓.
Moral of the story is you won’t dissatisfied with your support or be worried that they get power creeped
I'd be VERY curious to see HOW valuable Bennet actually is in ATK scaling teams. People just say Bennet is a "must have" etc but from my personal experience my clear times with and without Bennet tend to be quite similar, often in favour of the Bennetless teams. Of course that is just my personal experience limited by my personal skill and builds, but I'd be interested to see proper calcs and comparisons with teams that use Bennet vs using a replacement like a sub dps character etc.
My times differ a lot. The difference between Bennet and someone like Thoma in the same Kinich team is like day and night.
Is your bennett properly built?
@@moonchase. I mean, Bennet VS Thoma SHOULD be a day and night difference lol.
I have C6 Bennet lvl82 with lvl90 skyward blade and lvl 12 burst.
Ur benny boy probably isnt built and has a low base atk weapon 😭
@@akiinkala9287 you should lvl 90 your bennet (wont make a significant difference but the return is well worth the resin)
For Pyro DPSes the difference is pretty big. But for non Pyro dps i think its very compareable
I’d just personally disagree a lot with Zhongli
Citlali is a more valuable shielder than him
And now lan yan is more valuable because of vv and even lan yan has a better shield
And I also do feel Mavuika is just outright more valuable than Neuvilette
@@bamshakfwangyil1452 nah, lanyan's shield is weaker than zhong's
hoyo making 4 archons (which people pull for lore reason anyway) and a 4 star from 1.0 the meta deserves praise, meanwhile hsr got a new meta unit every patch lmao
The true pyro archon wont't be never be powercreeped, otherwise Mav is 5/6 patch life (also because citlali will never rerun)
@@alphierzero55nah citlali is on another level compared to another cryo 5 stars. Shes much more valuable and is a part of the best team in the game currently, and her constellations are cracked too (half of them provide massive buffs). Hoyo knows she sells well, and they just can't fumble the bag by not rerunning her
prediction before watching :)
1. Beny
2. dps form the last year. -i.e. Furina, Neuiv, Xilonen, Mavuika, Arli, Citlali, Chevruse
3. Kazu
4 few 4 stars like Fichl, Kuki c2, Xl maybe?
powercreep is not real. its in ur mind XD
Well Kazuha, Zhongli and Bennett are 1.x characters. They are still on his list.
Yelan is a 2.x characters.
Nahida is a 3.x characters, but she is an archon.
For others, it is true they are from Fontaine and Natlan.
It could be worse.
neuvillette not even top 5 womp womp, couldn’t be my main 🙏🏽 (she didn’t even make the list)
A pretty interesting list and i fully understand why u put characters where they are.
If i had to make a list it would be
1)bennet
2)xilonen
3)nahida
4)furina
5)kazuha
6)mavuika
7)yelan
8)citlali
9)neuv maybe?
10) sucrose/xq
To explain the top 4 cuz a lot of people will dissagree. Bennet and nahida pretty much feel needed in a lot of teams they are played in with no real good offensive alternative.
I used to put kazuha there with them but since the release of xilonen she took his place mainly cuz of how ez she is to use. Her buff uptime last longer, her field time requirements are shorter, she heals a ton for furina and most importantly imo is that her res shred doesn't need to be reaplied.
For furina she is prob overall the strongest character u don't need. I play furina in a lot of teams mainly neuvilette, arle, hu tao teams but none of these teams really need her to preform really well if u have either alternatives like yelan for alhaitham hu tao and mavuika for neuvilette and there are tons of other examples
Furina is still by far the most broken genshin character hands down Xilonen is second
Solid list GUYS!
We need a 5 star bennett STAT
COULDVE BEEN XBALANQUE, sadly it doesnt seem like hes playable
Not me spending all my primos for jade cutter before this video 💀
I pulled two copies of Jade Cutter, but I lost both 50/50s 😭
Good stat stick, but not that great compare to the past as recent top DPS use either MH set and Natlan version kf MH set gives that has gives too many Crit if use with that weapon and its harder to balance the crit ratio (ideally 1:2) through artifact, unless you are veteran who farm too many of them to not care about it
Aint no way if you have Furina that's a free 36% CR bc of MH. The PJC supremacy ended years ago for most carries lol.
There's so many sources of crit rate these days, why would you pull Jade Cutter 😭
@@RKNancy because I wanted it for Ayaka and Keqing
on the contrary, even if unavoiably subjective to some extent, this is probably the most objective version of a list like this i've ever seen
With Lan Yan's release I'm surprised zhongli is even on this list
12.5 sec vs 20 sec (on top of that you cannot refresh her shield if it breaks instantly after a heavy atk)
Maybe I should specify because its not hard to understand
What Lan yan provides is more than what zhongli provides as zhongli's main selling point is comfort *(Zhongli has the most comfortable shield that can be used in many teams while Lan Yan has most the offensive buffing shield thanks to VV)*
Lan Yan objectively has the best type of shield in the game bar none regardless of duration comparison
Its funny to even talk about the usefulness of shields when there are bosses and enemies that go right through a 60K+ HP zhongli shield making it so you might want to dodge instead
In conclusion Lan Yan powercrept zhongli's versatility for team building in most teams if you want an anemo character and a shielder making it so you can use a different flex all together or just a better flex overall than zhongli in some cases *(this is assuming you don't need grouping)*
@@CrytecNBOMB i guess you haven't played on 200-300 ms+ ping (the reality of most players especially mobile players).. you pretty much need a tanky shield especially because there are strong enemies (plus a healer.) the little bit of dmg increase doesn't mean anything when you keep retrying due to dying.. most teams today are strong enough with three characters to add a Zhongli in there just for the comfort. abyss usage statistics have proven that since ages, zhongli is always in S and higher.. and sure citlali lanyan layla kirara baizhu are great because we also need shields for the other side, but Zhongli is always the most optimal option for most players. if you have great network and device and low dmg in your team comps only then you need to maximize dmg with vv instructors and optimal sheet dmg comps. most casuals don't need or do that.
@@surreabelLook I'm not disagreeing with you here...
I know how the game operates at 200+ ping btw but anyways some things are just a matter of preference
I've seen people play boldly without zhongli's shield on high ping both non casual and casual players alike
Its easy to recommend zhongli for people who tend to struggle in multiple scenarios of reasons
There's a reason why he's popular but, some teams don't need his level of comfort since even a kirara and layla can do his job decently well too in terms of shield strength and those are 4 stars, *(This was my point originally)* but if you prefer zhongli as many people do its worth using him since in abyss like you said there are 2 teams so if you have another team you really want a shielder in than he can go there
Despite saying all this there are a lot of decent shield options to a point that zhongli is the most _luxurious_ choice of comfort so I've noticed many people have a skewed perception of zhongli and that won't change even tho you don't need the most optimal DMG to clear Lan yan objectively has the best type of shielding whether you play her or don't kinda like bennett that people complain about not playing him or xiangling *(This is my last response)*
In my opinion I find baizhu just as comfy as zhongli, And saying what casual players "Need" is kinda yikes as like I said its more subjective nowadays than it was back in the patch 2.0 timeline
Looks like we may need a video on TH-cam one day about different types of casual players nowadays because they do exist
Xilonen definitely upped the ante on ease of use and fitting anywhere. Exactly what you want for a buffer/healer. She just needed to pull in enemies lol. She also has great overworld use. I barely use my kazuha now except for farming ley lines.
Furina is great but shes basically restricted to abyss otherwise she's just overkill and having to constantly heal entire teams quickly limits you to a few healers
Grrr where is my character. I can’t support you anymore tgs I can’t believe this. (For legal reasons this is a joke)
The ones I'm missing from this list are Mavuika (not a fan), Yelan (became a male pyro claymore user), and Zhongli (became a hydro astrologist).
Respectable list. Only thing I’d change is Furina being number 2. To me there’s just far more teams Furina improves a lot that Xilonen is barely an upgrade or even a Sidegrade in. Even Kinich and Chasca want Furina while Xilonen doesn’t help either of them much funny enough. They made her insanely flexible and able to buff every element while Xilonen only buffs PHEC and provides no extra damage herself.
If xilonen is replaceable with kazuha & zhongli then So is furina replaceable with chasca & kinich cuz mavuika & emilie are equal or better than furina there, old dendro teams like bloom/hyperbloom would rather use xinqui/yelan & wouldn't even feel the difference. If you look at the top 5 best carries right now i.e Mavuika/Arlecchino/Neuvillete/Mualani/Navia all have xilonen in their bis teams while Furina is only bis with Neuvillete & 3rd or even 4th bis with Mualani/Navia/Mavuika & with Arlecchino she just sucks. Plus the furina actively ruins the citlali melt teams. This is a meta list & natlan is the meta right now. (Tbh I would put furina as no.1 before mavuika & citlali but now they just replace furina in a lot of teams)
I like this list, and agree on almost all the reasonings. I have 9/10 of these. I don't have the top 1 Xilonen 😂
Xilonen 🎉❤
My boy Bennett deserves new skin, he's 4 stars from earliest patch, yet still top 10 today.
Rember guys, if your favourite character isn't on this list, they're a bad character, and you should feel bad for liking them
I respect the list, very good video Ill probably change zhongli for chevi since the hp of enemies in the spiral abyss is increasing offensive options in my opinion gain more value.
You said that Mavuika prefers Furina to Yelan, does she though?
Mavuika's highest damage Vape combo is C2D spam (or 4C2D C) which does work with Yelan as starting the charged attack procs Yelan's Burst
I'm not sure if you end up losing some of Yelan's damage but even if you do, Yelan's and Mavuika's cooldowns alilgn perfectly at 18s while Furina's 20s cooldown extends your rotation by 2s which seems a pretty big deal if you want to optimise
Furina is better because you don't suffer in AoE and she deals higher damage herself. You can also do the same combo with Furina so I don't really see what's your point here, this only proves Yelan is a good alternate for enabling
@@lastorderx20001 my point in mentioning the combo is that the optimal combo works with Yelan without adjusting it and losing DPS and the way it was presented in the video it seemed like the "triggering on normal attack" is the problematic part for Yelan in Furina teams
Furina dealing higher damage isn't too relevant as she's still a damage loss to Yelan if you don't one-rotate the content
AoE is a good point though so I'd say in single target Yelan > Furina, in AoE Furina > Yelan
@Nikki-c9p In that team Yelan does 4 of her coordinated instead of 15... At that point you may as well play candace
@@lafeechloe6998 That doesn't mean Yelan isn't the best option for Vape Mavuika in some situations. If you are able to execute 18s rotations instead of 20s Furina would forces you into, that will be a higher DPS over Furina teams regardless of how much personal damage Yelan is losing compared to teams that use normal attacks constantly
Yelan was also a lot of better last Abyss because as a Bow user she fulfilled 12-3-2 Aeonlight Drake check
And there's the issue of HP drain without shield and with Bennett as your healer - going down to 70% HP before getting healed while having Pyro applied on yourself makes you quite prone to getting oneshot
I'd say Citlali > Furina = Yelan for Mavuika
Very fair and well argued list.
I mostly agree with the reasoning, and my Zhongli bias was reinforced, so I'm happy with the video!
Same
If the Pyro Archon could not replace Bennett at this point in the game, I guess no one ever will.
I'm sure this comment section is going to he very civil and no one is gonna take this tier list personally or to heart, right?
Tbh I don't see too much hostility
@@ISMythix for now 🤭🤭
I do wonder if they're going to roughly leave Dendro where it is as an element, or if they're ever going to add some type of interaction for it? Because anything cores is capped by EM buffs, 5-cores at a time. I'm not super knowledgeable at theory behind reactions, but Dendro is starting to feel limited vs vape and melt, and even Overload tends to have access to Bennett besides niche buffers. I don't really see burning or aggravate truly getting a support that pulls it ahead of this meta, so unless they do something funky, is this kindof... it for Dendro? Was this its time in the sun but now it's doomed to the shadows of forever power crêpe't vape and melt numbers? Nod-krai mystery power, quantum/imaginary elements? What can get Nahida back up again?
putting Yelan and Zhongli in top 10 in the great year of 2025 is crazy work 😭
I would kick out Zhongli for like Chevreusse, but idk who I’d put instead of Yelan, i think its fair for her to be here more or less.
yelan is justified i doubt zhongli tho it should be xinagling or xq
@@ginger2114 Chevreuse should've totally been top 10 no questions asked. For Yelan I can see Fischl/Arlecchino replacing that spot. Yelan and Xingqiu have not been the greatest since Fontaine
@@Xotwod-t8k Citlali already made him less relevant and C2 Lanyan is just the better shielder period with better buffs
@ceizhore4498 what else you should put??
If we get Bennett's alternative, (similar to Xingqiu-Yelan), I kinda want that character to be non-Pyro. It would be more interesting to have the same buffer with different elements.
* I have to pick an element. I want Cryo.
We will never have a benny replacement and at this point is clear, the only charcater that could be a replacement need him
I dont think they would even make another benny. His kit is cracked with the flat attack buff. If they ever will people will just stack the two bennys together
@ I know it's unlikely. This is just my copium
@ I think there might be some kind of roundabout way to do it. Maybe having limit cap.
I agree. It would make more interesting teams and also prevent just overlapping Bennett and Bennett 2.0 together, even in overload.
One thing guys we can't define meta . THEY CONTROLS META
To me, as long as Bennett stays as ubiquitous and irreplaceable as he has been, he will be number 1.
Me having every single one of these units:
Looks like I have done nothing wrong.
(Also me: getting accidental clorinde and qiqi, while wanting to get c0 chevreuse and ending up with C6 rosaria and C6 lanyan, and not a single chevreuse: ....)
C6 lanyan, Luckyyyy
@@nnnnnnnmnnnnnnnnnnn naa everything besides C2 is unnecessary
Bro you scared me now. I want a C6 Chevy, have her C0 atm. But I don't want to get Arle nor Clorinde, I have a C1 Arle already and she mops, don't need her C2, and I don't have a Clorinde but don't need her, won't even use her if I get her. Damn, the real 5* there is C6 Chevy, she is busted.
Ugh. We seriously need an Epitomized Fate system for rate-up 4*s (characters and especially weapons)
I remember getting 3 five-star weapons (spent 230 wishes) before I got my first 4* Xiphos Moonlight sword! was so frustrating.
and then my friend getting C2 Raiden before he got his first Sara.
@@DoT_TD c3 gives shield lvl c4 gives 60em c6 gives another charge to her sheild making her way more comfy to use.
Her cons aren't busted but their pretty good
Honestly that Xilonen and Furina placement feels fair. If it was me, I wouldn't be able to say for certain which is better, while everything he said about Xilonen was true, Furina also enables characters and comps that were barely relevant before.
Otherwise yeah, pretty much how I'd put the list as well.
Brace yourself, Mavuika hater's incoming.
Most of them: Either doesn't have her OR They have her but doesn't have both of her meta supports(xilonen&citlali). 😂
naah i don't have her supports and she's still a pretty solid character lmao
@@Kaihiwatari705 That's why I said "MOST" of them. Not "ALL" of them. :)
I always think these kind of tier lists are so unnuanced that they're a problem, like Mavuika/Arle/Hu tao are basically interchangeable depending on the circumstances, sure Mavuika performs best overall but not so much that that the other two are completely overshadowed, then we have the supports they NEED and prefer, just having a unit that doesn't need Bennett already makes that character several times more valuable, then it's probably the most important part: do they feel good to use? take Mualani, she can do such absurd damage that it's ridiculous, but she sometimes feels horrible to use, or someone like Raiden who is no longer meta but used to be, using her in the overworld wasn't that fun so she'd come out like twice a month, is that worth it?
An interesting list though, many things discussed in it that's worth considering, like Nahida is really really strong but she's not that useful anymore unless you want aggravate, hyperbloom, or Nilou superbloom.
No Aloy? Meh... 😂
I have c2 kazuha and I dont use him much anymore. Xilonen is usually just better. Getting all his buffs up and not messing with reactions is impossible in most cases.