I think Cannons were protesting thier last match with Ethan when he did quit after his core was destroyed prematurely. It froze the server for few minutes and after he rejoined (everyone waited for him) he won the match and eliminated Cannons. Not cool.
You got the teams confused. It was Gengar and Butterdog (team GYAT) who lost that laggy game against EtaN, not Tar and Helicopter (team Cannons Winners).
Oh, and speaking of that match between FV and GYAT, if you saw what happened to EtaN from the perspective of his screen, you would know why he got so pissed, and rightfully so. The whole game lagged out precisely just as he was being targetted by nukes, making him unable to defend (the boxes he built just straight up fell apart immediately). It was *him* who got screwed over. The reason he left the room is because he went to replays to get evidence of what happened, but that lobby was such a trainwreck that it didn't even save any replay for him to investigate. That match was a disaster from a stability perspective.
Interesting to see the polarized comments. I hope to see both teams again from the first round, asking for a ban would be taking it too far. Memes were expected, memes were delivered. Thanks for the video.
You can't excuse all behavior by "oh it's just memes". Memes are fine, but not when it disrupts an official event and involves rude messages on public display. Going minigun spam, sniper spam, AP sniper rush, using a magnabeam, building a portal accelerator
@@vykro_eng It feels like you're interpreting calling someone gay as hateful when it really isn't. Did you actually watch their gameplay and think that they were trying to be rude? Public or private match, I think that behavior like this doesn't need to warrant any punishment outside of what they recieved. It was never that deep. Advocating for a ban is more hateful than the behavior in question, as it'd be implying there is homophobia or the like when there simply isn't any. Regarding memes, using meme strategies isn't the only meming gameplay. In the context self destruction wasn't really a strategy and more of a liability, but they did it because it was funny. And by saying 'not actually playing the game', I assume you mean taking the game seriously. Correct me if I am wrong in this interpretation. But meme strategies like you listed would also be considered not actually playing the game. Overall you could consider the behavior obnoxious, but it's kind of a reach and to do so makes you look like a pedant.
I'm all for meme strats with Phantom on left side but both sides not even willing to actually win and wasting 30 mins until someone on left side decided to write "42 is gay" even though it not appropriate in an official match is just... kind of disappointing to me.
@@lukebushby3908 42 Scientist is one of the commentators besides Incursus, he is also part of the Forts developer (I think). I have no idea whether they are mad on 42 or just messing around with him but that is not cool in an official match. Please do it in private lobby.
@@TrainMann Id say the only problem would be the sponsors, because of the spelling, instead of anything else. Likely why only the spellers, Cannons Winner was disqualified.
would be weird to ban gyat for no reason, its common that bronze matches are whoever trolls the best, wins. In cannon winners they just spelled out "gay" and its seen as a slur now which is cringe.
@@GenGrilli They were using it in a clearly derogatory way (intentionally or unintentionally, it still is not okay), which in an official tournament doesn't fly.
Bronze Match: Cannons Winner vs GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAT game 1: 28:40 (Cannons Winner DQ'D) Gold Match: Folium Viride vs Gunners United game 1: 59:54 game 2: 1:19:17 game 3: 1:33:10 game 4: 1:58:03 game 5: 2:06:22 game 6: 2:26:41 game 7: 2:37:39 Congratulations to the winners!
I'm happy to see some high tier memeing on the looser's bracket :) It's good fun :D Maybe avoid insults in the future however? I doubt this was exactly necessary to have fun
A shame that in a game where meme/cheese rounds can be a hilarious addition that they decided to disqualify and end the match for a couple of teams who were just having fun in a game they love and already couldn't win.
It wasn't the use of a meme strat that resulted in the DQ. Seriously, go back and watch it, and note the exact moment they made the decision to issue the DQ. It's not hard to see why.
Bad take. There is nothing wrong with meme/cheese strats, but that was not why they have been disqualified here. The important distinction is that usually when someone is using a meme/cheese strat, *they are still playing.* They are still attacking the opponent, dealing damage, potentially winning. Here though not only both sides were just playing a sandbox, holding up the event, and wasting everyone's time, but also drawing insults towards the staff on screen. Oh, did I forget to mention that this was a sponsored event?
@@vykro_eng I can understand where you are coming from, while I don't personally agree with the DQ, in an official setting I get why it happened. But a ban is too much for the players, the only thing in the rules for this match was a vague description of having good sportsmanship. I can get how you can argue that it wasn't good sportsmanship to the organizers, but in the future the event should tell the players they shouldnt do something before you claim they are wasting everyones time.
Derr Benzi is my favorite "villain" player. I always enjoy watching him play, and he is very good, but I usually cheer for his opponent. And I think Etan is in the same category. We all love watching him play, but we all cheer for whoever is trying to take him down.
The first match was a total disaster for Forts' e-sport. Extreme waste of time and disrespect should never be a part of FPL, but now it went live in a serious sponsored event. It was great to see steps of improving pro league for us - players - and for you - viewers. Acquiring sponsor, additional prizes for winners, split camera, instant replay, etc. But that match is a huge setback. It is not the actions themselves what are main concern(just idiots playing), but the place where it was performed AND HARM it has done to this game. Imagine getting a sponsor after this garbage has been streamed in main event. Could compare it to chess event where friends decided to shat on playing board. It would be funny only for them and some other individuals, not for organizers and most of the people. Playstyle in that match was orchestrated by Helicopter & Gengar - known discord and in-game toxics. As i am writing this comment Helicopter is already permabanned - rightfully and deserved. Today Forts' community got a lot of cleaner, as garbage has been throw out. The only issue i have about administration is that they didnt react faster, and they should disqualify both teams. I don't know if butter dog was taking any actions to stop this shit show, but Tar was trying. I see that people refer to previous events where matches for bronze were meme macthes. Terrible argument, because these matches are not event comparable. Other bronze games were with meme strats - which would most likely not work - but each time there were attemps to win, simply players didnt care about the risk of those strats not working. Here we had double sided truce with no attempts or whatsoever to play - only to waste time. It is even worse knowing that finals were AFTER this match. Pointless waste of time. Call to disqualify them saved me 2 hours of time, as i was finals participant. Rules require as to display good sportsmanship at all times. Respect opponents, league admins, streamers, and viewers. There was no change to rules, they got disqualify according to rules.
round 1 (of the finals, to be clear) was REALLY high-level forts. I kept thinking that to myself over and over. Everyone was rushing well, building well, the timings were impeccable, there was no cheese... even the switch to nukes, though it ended up being a bit too slow in the end, was well-executed and might have let them sneak a kill and even out the game. In terms of, like, optimized gameplay? I think that might have been one of the best matches I've ever seen.
I skipped to that time stamp after looking at the mood of the comments, and I'm scared to check what they did. From what I saw in a frame preview on the video time line, they built a lot on both ends, so was it them building and not shooting at all, thus dragging out the match and wasting everyone's time?
@@Maelum_ That plus some structure building by Cannons Winner that spelled out a message that I'm not going to repeat here, calling out one of the game devs.
@@GenGrilli Given that the game is getting corporate sponsorships now, and this stunt potentially puts that at risk? The expected level of professionalism has gone up, clearly, else they wouldn't have been disqualified.
@@jcbdly616 yeah, not fun when spelled out in a historically derogatory way. Saying gay is not bad, but when the sentence it is used in has a clear negative connotation for it, it turns derogatory.
I was looking forward to the meme strat bronze matches. Im a bit disapointed in both teams. By all means, have fun, everybody can take a joke, but keep in mind that when you are in those matches, you represent the forts professional playerbase. To the viewers, the rest of the playerbase, the devs, potential new Sponsors... to the whole comunity. I think that there was no bad intention in the match, but the teams just kinda forgot themselves and went a bit overboard. So the organizers had to take action to keep future tournaments professional.
Both teams/players in the first match should get banned from future events and tournaments. Right team for a year and left team permabanned. If they don't want to play, just drop your cores and get out of the game, not do this EDIT: The main reason is that if you want to be taken serious in any way as a somewhat serious event, you NEED to act and not let it slide at all. If you ever hope to get a sponsor in the future you cannot let it slide. It is not only against the integrity of the event, but it will literally make you unable to be sponsored.
I wouldn't say banned. This is a first time occurrence and there likely aren't any rules against it. But for these games I personally expect competitive play where players take things seriously and showcase their competitive skills and strategies. Going forward, I wouldn't mind if the organizers were less tolerant to these sorts of antics.
@@VeilingSun the question i have is why they both decided to meme around. All four players are regular tryhards in tournaments and aren't known for trolling. Maybe i missed it but i don't recall hearing them explain it.
I don't care for memeing in bronze match, usually makes it fun to watch but the disqualification was waranted. That was a childish way to protest the results from the previous round. Really sad to see alot of the comments in here, i expected better from the Forts community. There's a way to protest, and this wasn't it.
Since when is homophobia acceptable in this kind of social environment? There is private ribbing in private chats which can be taken in context but there is no need for there to be anything like this in public.
@@JellyFK It takes a lot to interpret this as homophobic.. You didn't consider at all that maybe you were jumping to a conclusion? Spelling out 42 is gay in a forts match isn't hateful in the slightest, there's nothing of substance it's just a joke. Getting angry on behalf of others is a bad habit to form, and ultimately perpetuates the idea of gay hate where it was never present in the first place.
@@meeplymoon8391 i have a friend thats gay and he said something like "calling a grown, straight man, gay is kinda funny, and if they get mad its even funnier"
If you were offended by the first round, here's something you should be asking yourself. I'll be replacing the word in the perceived insult of round 1 with the word "Kay" so this comment hopefully won't get censored. Why is what they did considered offensive? If you truly believe that there's nothing wrong with being Kay, why do you perceive it as an insult when someone calls someone else that? Maybe they meant it as a compliment. Could it be that you think being Kay is a negative thing? I don't, and if you wanna take the power away from people saying it in a childish manner or as an insult, maybe getting offended by it isn't the best idea. That said, completely understandable why the devs decided to DQ the team. The current prevailing way of thinking isn't like mine, and people like to get offended by everything nowadays. If you aren't squeaky clean according to wider societal rules, you may not be afforded the opportunities you're seeking. Can't remember if this tourney is sponsored but at least one of them was sponsored by Razer I think. They probably don't wanna burn that bridge by allowing "offensive" acts to go unpunished.
I diagree with how the DQ was handled there. Pro forts has always had cheese matches, where neither opponent takes things seriously and the match just goes on until someone dies. It's just part of the "pro" culture, where the best get an opportunity to show off what high level shenanigans looks like. Perhaps some people would rather see 2 teams tryhard it out for third place, but that's not the kind of community that tends to be very positive. There should be reasonable tolerance for fun, as that is what creates funny and enjoyable moments. There's time for serious play, and there's time for goofing off. To be honest, anyone that claims that they were bored or that it's unprofessional hasn't been around long enough to see enough tournaments to understand why it occurred. I also think that this wasn't an independent call of the tournament organizers, with the way it was just "Yep this one team is DQ'd, next match. No discussion". Without any official word, I can only speculate that either the sponsor, or said dev insulted stepped in and ordered it to be so. Even if a DQ was warranted, it should clearly be explained why and how, since this has never been an issue before. I'd like to see an official announcement as to why this occurred. With regard to the specific behavior that triggered the DQ, if it was simply the unserious nature of the tournament, both teams should be disqualified instead of just one. It's clear from the beginning that neither team intended to "compete" in the traditional way. (which should be fine, this has never been a problem and is part of the community). If it was the message directed at 42 that triggered the ban, we deserve to know why, and who ordered the DQ. Was this a longstanding rule that messages like that would get you DQ'd? Was it a on the spot decision, and if so by who? Was it decided by the entire tournament hosting team? Did 42 barge into the room and hold the hosters hostage until they called a DQ (ha ha ha)? Was this to try and appease the sponsor?. Either way, we deserve to understand. Oh, and since I'll inevitably get someone replying to this comment saying I'm supporting what cannons winner called 42, let me make it clear: I'm not. Calling the dev's of any game names is pretty usual, and It's reasonable to be joking around like that, but in this case it should have stayed within reason. Calling someone the thing that was said (saying it would get this comment blocked probably) isn't acceptable, but there should have been clearer communication. It would have been fine to just go "hey, guys, you can't say that. This is a sponsored stream and that sort of joking around puts our sponsorship at risk, therefore we're just going to call this set of matches since clearly nobody's taking it serious". Or if just not taking it seriously was the problem, they could have simply told the teams "hey, we're going to call it here if you guys aren't intending to play the rest of the matches seriously. Would like to play seriously or should we call it?" Again, transparency is key here. To the regular viewer, we can't tell if this is a revenge DQ, or a rule violation, or trying to appease the sponsor. Please make an official announcement (here, where it won't get buried and is visible. A community post would be great) to make this more transparent. Note that I came into the stream around the end of match, and have scrolled through the match to see what happened. If someone made a very brief comment at some point I may have missed it.
I think it's pretty clear it had nothing to do with them messing around game wise, it was about what they wrote. There's been plenty of other instances before in FPL and tournaments of people not taking things seriously just like this, it's just (iirc) none of those included homophobic insults. I know some people don't understand how hurtful it can be because gamer culture throws slurs around like normal insults, but it's something that's clearly not ok and good on 42 for taking a stand against it.
@@FumbleSquid It's a bit ridiculous to call what they wrote a "homophobic insult" or a "slur". I guess when they changed it to "I am gay" after that, it should've been considered as coming out?
@Skellum_ What makes or doesn't make a slur is context. Basically when gay is used as an insult or used to denigrate, it is a slur. Also the difference between a slur and a normal insult is that a slur is in reference to a historically oppressed/disadvantaged group. It can be more complicated than that, for example context changes based on who is saying it and the target as well. Language is complex, but it's not that complex. You just have to use basic social skills to understand it.
@@FumbleSquid Erm, by my basic social skills calling someone gay, or calling yourself gay is childish, but not an insult or a slur. Unless one chooses to take it as an insult, but that is on them then. I would argue that _this_ would be homophobic actually, like, if you can't take such a mild jab lightly, you might have a problem. This is simply by definition: phobia = fear of something. So, if one is afraid of his masculinity shattered by someone implying he's gay, I have bad news for such person. :D
@@Skellum_ Again, the context is that being gay = bad. That's what makes it *contextually* a slur. It all depends on how, who, and why it is being said. Also phobia doesn't just mean that. That again is defining things outside of context. Phobia can also mean irrational aversion, irrational denigration, or irrational bias. Words can have multiple meanings based on how they're used. This isn't hard to understand.
Very disappointed with cannons winner and the match overall. I feel like my time was wasted in the first match and I came here to watch the top players compete. Why gyaaat didn’t just end the match is beyond me but disappointed overall. As a long time viewer I hope to never see a match like that again.
i still dont understand why are people upset that only 1 team was disqualified. GYAAT did nothing wrong and have no reason to be banned. Can people have no fun anymore?
You are more than welcome to have fun as much as you want, but perhaps in your own private lobby, not during an official, sponsored, streamed event. This is a pro league, not a kindergarten sandbox. All they did was waste everyone's time, including the time of the teams who were going to play the gold matches afterwards.
@vykro_eng even in events u can have some fun. Not everything needs to be serious. Thats what makes events fun - a situation that is different from others.
@@LiterallyMe459 You are correct, but also do not seem to understand what "not everything needs to be serious" really means. Of course not everything needs to be serious. That's why we have people going for meme strats in those games from time to time. But "not everything needs to be serious" does not equal "everything is allowed, anything can be justified, and there are no rules". The problem here was that not only team 1 was drawing insults on screen, but neither side was actually playing the game. GYAT fired miniguns or mortars every once in a while without much consequence, but other than that neither side was actually attempting to win or otherwise conclude the game. Now consider that while this was happening, there were two other teams waiting to play their final match, while casters and viewers had to sit through watching CW and GYAT mock about and waste everyone's time. Trolling in a bronze match is a great idea, but there were so many better ways to do it, without causing harm.
I hope Cannons Winner is permabanned. It's called the pro league for a reason and not the derp league. I also would have expected better from Gyaaat but at least I know from past matches how entertaining they can be. Just wished that they'd finished Cannons Winner off a lot sooner
@@Skellum_ 42 Scientist (the French voice in the call that said "They better be careful with what they do next." after the IS came out) is on staff, so that about sums it up.
@@pyrioncelendil they knew it was gonna be a troll match, they talked about it before the match started about what troll strats they were gonna see coming from both teams. The players have already made it clear to the community admin a week prior, that they were gonna do the scheduled troll bronze match
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 that first match. I'm sorry, 42. Pro league or not, it is still just a game after all. However this isn't the expected gameplay out of the pros.
I want to thank incursus and the judges for putting their ban on the 1st team. I don't think they owe an explanation or need to update the rules. If you can't be commonly decent in the most professional and public facing tournament that the game has to offer then you don't belong here. I want this to be an inclusive place that attracts new players. You call some of those players a slur and you are going to drive away potential new friends. If they have to update the rules to include every fringe case that'll be the first nail in the coffin for the esport. As the ref from airbud said "Ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball." Look at the infamously toxic street fighter scene. 2 players were going head to head in one fo the qualifiers P1 and P2. P1's controller disconnected due to a hardware fault (think windows update for the controller in the middle fo a match). The clock was ticking down fast and there was no way P1 would be able to sort this out in time. P2 didn't want to "win" due to a technical issue with his opponents hardware. Player 2 did what any good sportsman would, he gave his opponent a chance, so instead of taking the win he paused the game. P1 called over a ref and got P2 DQ'd. Because in street fighter if you disconnect a controller due to hardware fault then you get a warning. If you pause you get auto DQ'd. 2 totally seperate rules that had to be introduced because players were so toxic that they had to stop people from being idiots. The no pause rule was because people were purposfully pausing to mess up their opponents timing and they had to introduce a rule specifically to stop people "buffering" their opponents. I don't want to see that type of meta gaming brought into my forts tournies which is what happens when you have to codify every single edge case. It discourages sportsmanship and leaves only a toxic mess of sweats who know how to play the rules, not play the game.
Your "inclusiveness" didn't work out for Concord or any other games for that matter. Nobody cares about that. Actually most people hate it. This kind of oversensitive behavior will kill this game. If you don't like the gaming community then get out of gaming.
Why was that first match even allowed to be posted or not cut short when it was clear that the content was unacceptable? I hope this is not what is expected in the future with Forts Pro League.
Why do you care so much? I’ve seen you write so many comments on this video. If you have actual grievances talk to them, don’t complain about it here. Edit: I’m not saying what cannons winner did is ok, I am simply saying it’s also not that deep
I think Cannons were protesting thier last match with Ethan when he did quit after his core was destroyed prematurely. It froze the server for few minutes and after he rejoined (everyone waited for him) he won the match and eliminated Cannons. Not cool.
You got the teams confused. It was Gengar and Butterdog (team GYAT) who lost that laggy game against EtaN, not Tar and Helicopter (team Cannons Winners).
Oh, and speaking of that match between FV and GYAT, if you saw what happened to EtaN from the perspective of his screen, you would know why he got so pissed, and rightfully so. The whole game lagged out precisely just as he was being targetted by nukes, making him unable to defend (the boxes he built just straight up fell apart immediately). It was *him* who got screwed over.
The reason he left the room is because he went to replays to get evidence of what happened, but that lobby was such a trainwreck that it didn't even save any replay for him to investigate.
That match was a disaster from a stability perspective.
Interesting to see the polarized comments. I hope to see both teams again from the first round, asking for a ban would be taking it too far. Memes were expected, memes were delivered. Thanks for the video.
You can't excuse all behavior by "oh it's just memes". Memes are fine, but not when it disrupts an official event and involves rude messages on public display.
Going minigun spam, sniper spam, AP sniper rush, using a magnabeam, building a portal accelerator
@@vykro_eng It feels like you're interpreting calling someone gay as hateful when it really isn't. Did you actually watch their gameplay and think that they were trying to be rude? Public or private match, I think that behavior like this doesn't need to warrant any punishment outside of what they recieved. It was never that deep. Advocating for a ban is more hateful than the behavior in question, as it'd be implying there is homophobia or the like when there simply isn't any.
Regarding memes, using meme strategies isn't the only meming gameplay. In the context self destruction wasn't really a strategy and more of a liability, but they did it because it was funny. And by saying 'not actually playing the game', I assume you mean taking the game seriously. Correct me if I am wrong in this interpretation. But meme strategies like you listed would also be considered not actually playing the game. Overall you could consider the behavior obnoxious, but it's kind of a reach and to do so makes you look like a pedant.
Some people take this stuff way too seriously. It's nice to watch people playing games to have fun, y'know, the thing that games are for.
28:45 A sandbox game at its finest. Max fun, Max stupidity, Max creativity. 10/10
I'm sure Alienware is glad they got involved, what a show
@@-NGC-6302- at least 42 is happy as the artwork says
I'm all for meme strats with Phantom on left side but both sides not even willing to actually win and wasting 30 mins until someone on left side decided to write "42 is gay" even though it not appropriate in an official match is just... kind of disappointing to me.
who is 42 and why are they mad at them?
@@lukebushby3908
42 Scientist is one of the commentators besides Incursus, he is also part of the Forts developer (I think).
I have no idea whether they are mad on 42 or just messing around with him but that is not cool in an official match. Please do it in private lobby.
There is a dude with a commie symbol in his profile.
You can't claim that this was somehow less appropriate.
Nothing against a little fun, but that first match was something else. Frankly was surprised to see only one team disqualified
That was so mad funny but I can see why it’s a problem in the Pro Leauge.
@@TrainMann Id say the only problem would be the sponsors, because of the spelling, instead of anything else.
Likely why only the spellers, Cannons Winner was disqualified.
@@TrainMann what was funny?
would be weird to ban gyat for no reason, its common that bronze matches are whoever trolls the best, wins.
In cannon winners they just spelled out "gay" and its seen as a slur now which is cringe.
@@GenGrilli They were using it in a clearly derogatory way (intentionally or unintentionally, it still is not okay), which in an official tournament doesn't fly.
Of course the guy with that profile picture DQs someone for writing something in a video game, such a baby.
Cannon winner, my beloved!
EtaN is Walter White. he cant keep getting away with this
Bronze Match: Cannons Winner vs GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
game 1: 28:40
(Cannons Winner DQ'D)
Gold Match: Folium Viride vs Gunners United
game 1: 59:54
game 2: 1:19:17
game 3: 1:33:10
game 4: 1:58:03
game 5: 2:06:22
game 6: 2:26:41
game 7: 2:37:39
Congratulations to the winners!
@35:00 the best game of Forts I've seen in my life!
I like that u keep first match. Thank you, i love it)
I'm happy to see some high tier memeing on the looser's bracket :)
It's good fun :D
Maybe avoid insults in the future however? I doubt this was exactly necessary to have fun
I think Forts is done after that first game. That was peak, it can never be topped. Go home everyone.
I have discovered my favorite team finally after all these years, Cannons Winner my beloved.
That's a bit unfortunate, cause you won't be seeing that team again. One of those players just got permabanned for this.
@@vykro_eng our martyr has fallen 😢
@@vykro_eng Don't matter, my support and the team spirit lives on.
@@vykro_enga quick way to kill off the competitive scene forever
A shame that in a game where meme/cheese rounds can be a hilarious addition that they decided to disqualify and end the match for a couple of teams who were just having fun in a game they love and already couldn't win.
It wasn't the use of a meme strat that resulted in the DQ. Seriously, go back and watch it, and note the exact moment they made the decision to issue the DQ. It's not hard to see why.
Bad take. There is nothing wrong with meme/cheese strats, but that was not why they have been disqualified here. The important distinction is that usually when someone is using a meme/cheese strat, *they are still playing.* They are still attacking the opponent, dealing damage, potentially winning.
Here though not only both sides were just playing a sandbox, holding up the event, and wasting everyone's time, but also drawing insults towards the staff on screen. Oh, did I forget to mention that this was a sponsored event?
@@vykro_eng I can understand where you are coming from, while I don't personally agree with the DQ, in an official setting I get why it happened. But a ban is too much for the players, the only thing in the rules for this match was a vague description of having good sportsmanship. I can get how you can argue that it wasn't good sportsmanship to the organizers, but in the future the event should tell the players they shouldnt do something before you claim they are wasting everyones time.
Derr Benzi is my favorite "villain" player. I always enjoy watching him play, and he is very good, but I usually cheer for his opponent. And I think Etan is in the same category. We all love watching him play, but we all cheer for whoever is trying to take him down.
The first match was a total disaster for Forts' e-sport.
Extreme waste of time and disrespect should never be a part of FPL, but now it went live in a serious sponsored event.
It was great to see steps of improving pro league for us - players - and for you - viewers.
Acquiring sponsor, additional prizes for winners, split camera, instant replay, etc.
But that match is a huge setback. It is not the actions themselves what are main concern(just idiots playing), but the place where it was performed AND HARM it has done to this game. Imagine getting a sponsor after this garbage has been streamed in main event.
Could compare it to chess event where friends decided to shat on playing board. It would be funny only for them and some other individuals, not for organizers and most of the people.
Playstyle in that match was orchestrated by Helicopter & Gengar - known discord and in-game toxics.
As i am writing this comment Helicopter is already permabanned - rightfully and deserved. Today Forts' community got a lot of cleaner, as garbage has been throw out.
The only issue i have about administration is that they didnt react faster, and they should disqualify both teams.
I don't know if butter dog was taking any actions to stop this shit show, but Tar was trying.
I see that people refer to previous events where matches for bronze were meme macthes. Terrible argument, because these matches are not event comparable.
Other bronze games were with meme strats - which would most likely not work - but each time there were attemps to win, simply players didnt care about the risk of those strats not working.
Here we had double sided truce with no attempts or whatsoever to play - only to waste time. It is even worse knowing that finals were AFTER this match. Pointless waste of time. Call to disqualify them saved me 2 hours of time, as i was finals participant.
Rules require as to display good sportsmanship at all times. Respect opponents, league admins, streamers, and viewers.
There was no change to rules, they got disqualify according to rules.
round 1 (of the finals, to be clear) was REALLY high-level forts. I kept thinking that to myself over and over. Everyone was rushing well, building well, the timings were impeccable, there was no cheese... even the switch to nukes, though it ended up being a bit too slow in the end, was well-executed and might have let them sneak a kill and even out the game. In terms of, like, optimized gameplay? I think that might have been one of the best matches I've ever seen.
lol first match was great meme off
I take it Folium Viride just gifted us more top tier competitive content after the cancellation of memes by cannons winner
actual games start at 59:40
I skipped to that time stamp after looking at the mood of the comments, and I'm scared to check what they did. From what I saw in a frame preview on the video time line, they built a lot on both ends, so was it them building and not shooting at all, thus dragging out the match and wasting everyone's time?
@@Maelum_ That plus some structure building by Cannons Winner that spelled out a message that I'm not going to repeat here, calling out one of the game devs.
He said gay
@@pyrioncelendil why u afraid to say they called a dev "gay"💀💀youre making what cannons winner built sound 10x worse
@@GenGrilli Given that the game is getting corporate sponsorships now, and this stunt potentially puts that at risk? The expected level of professionalism has gone up, clearly, else they wouldn't have been disqualified.
Hyped
Can someone please explain what the hell the first match was?😂
A probable failed attempt at a meme strat combined with some trash talking via wood spam spelling out a particular message.
Fun
No he spelled gay not fun
The first match was an exibition mach where meme strats shiuld be displayed
@@jcbdly616 yeah, not fun when spelled out in a historically derogatory way. Saying gay is not bad, but when the sentence it is used in has a clear negative connotation for it, it turns derogatory.
First time I see a core get suplexed, wtf
I was looking forward to the meme strat bronze matches. Im a bit disapointed in both teams. By all means, have fun, everybody can take a joke, but keep in mind that when you are in those matches, you represent the forts professional playerbase. To the viewers, the rest of the playerbase, the devs, potential new Sponsors... to the whole comunity.
I think that there was no bad intention in the match, but the teams just kinda forgot themselves and went a bit overboard.
So the organizers had to take action to keep future tournaments professional.
Both teams/players in the first match should get banned from future events and tournaments. Right team for a year and left team permabanned. If they don't want to play, just drop your cores and get out of the game, not do this
EDIT: The main reason is that if you want to be taken serious in any way as a somewhat serious event, you NEED to act and not let it slide at all. If you ever hope to get a sponsor in the future you cannot let it slide. It is not only against the integrity of the event, but it will literally make you unable to be sponsored.
Agreed
I wouldn't say banned. This is a first time occurrence and there likely aren't any rules against it. But for these games I personally expect competitive play where players take things seriously and showcase their competitive skills and strategies. Going forward, I wouldn't mind if the organizers were less tolerant to these sorts of antics.
@@VeilingSun the question i have is why they both decided to meme around. All four players are regular tryhards in tournaments and aren't known for trolling. Maybe i missed it but i don't recall hearing them explain it.
@@VeilingSunthe gay comments have no place whatsoever. Permaban needed
@@VeilingSunIncursus will permaban nazi builds in his streams, why not homophobic builds?
I don't care for memeing in bronze match, usually makes it fun to watch but the disqualification was waranted. That was a childish way to protest the results from the previous round. Really sad to see alot of the comments in here, i expected better from the Forts community. There's a way to protest, and this wasn't it.
What were they even protesting?
@vykro_eng They we're beaten by Ethan and Dranistan team in the earlier rounds after technical issues affected the match.
A lot of overreaction in these comments
Since when is homophobia acceptable in this kind of social environment? There is private ribbing in private chats which can be taken in context but there is no need for there to be anything like this in public.
You are part of the problem.
@@JellyFK It takes a lot to interpret this as homophobic.. You didn't consider at all that maybe you were jumping to a conclusion? Spelling out 42 is gay in a forts match isn't hateful in the slightest, there's nothing of substance it's just a joke. Getting angry on behalf of others is a bad habit to form, and ultimately perpetuates the idea of gay hate where it was never present in the first place.
@@meeplymoon8391 thank you
@@meeplymoon8391 i have a friend thats gay and he said something like "calling a grown, straight man, gay is kinda funny, and if they get mad its even funnier"
Gunners U has my head, but Amemomeanenome has my heart
If you were offended by the first round, here's something you should be asking yourself. I'll be replacing the word in the perceived insult of round 1 with the word "Kay" so this comment hopefully won't get censored.
Why is what they did considered offensive? If you truly believe that there's nothing wrong with being Kay, why do you perceive it as an insult when someone calls someone else that? Maybe they meant it as a compliment. Could it be that you think being Kay is a negative thing? I don't, and if you wanna take the power away from people saying it in a childish manner or as an insult, maybe getting offended by it isn't the best idea.
That said, completely understandable why the devs decided to DQ the team. The current prevailing way of thinking isn't like mine, and people like to get offended by everything nowadays. If you aren't squeaky clean according to wider societal rules, you may not be afforded the opportunities you're seeking. Can't remember if this tourney is sponsored but at least one of them was sponsored by Razer I think. They probably don't wanna burn that bridge by allowing "offensive" acts to go unpunished.
"This part of my base is of vital importance and cannot under any circustance be lost. Let's defend it with nothing but background bracing."
42 deserves all the love.
first game 28:46
Great games.
I diagree with how the DQ was handled there. Pro forts has always had cheese matches, where neither opponent takes things seriously and the match just goes on until someone dies. It's just part of the "pro" culture, where the best get an opportunity to show off what high level shenanigans looks like. Perhaps some people would rather see 2 teams tryhard it out for third place, but that's not the kind of community that tends to be very positive. There should be reasonable tolerance for fun, as that is what creates funny and enjoyable moments. There's time for serious play, and there's time for goofing off. To be honest, anyone that claims that they were bored or that it's unprofessional hasn't been around long enough to see enough tournaments to understand why it occurred.
I also think that this wasn't an independent call of the tournament organizers, with the way it was just "Yep this one team is DQ'd, next match. No discussion". Without any official word, I can only speculate that either the sponsor, or said dev insulted stepped in and ordered it to be so. Even if a DQ was warranted, it should clearly be explained why and how, since this has never been an issue before. I'd like to see an official announcement as to why this occurred.
With regard to the specific behavior that triggered the DQ, if it was simply the unserious nature of the tournament, both teams should be disqualified instead of just one. It's clear from the beginning that neither team intended to "compete" in the traditional way. (which should be fine, this has never been a problem and is part of the community). If it was the message directed at 42 that triggered the ban, we deserve to know why, and who ordered the DQ. Was this a longstanding rule that messages like that would get you DQ'd? Was it a on the spot decision, and if so by who? Was it decided by the entire tournament hosting team? Did 42 barge into the room and hold the hosters hostage until they called a DQ (ha ha ha)? Was this to try and appease the sponsor?. Either way, we deserve to understand.
Oh, and since I'll inevitably get someone replying to this comment saying I'm supporting what cannons winner called 42, let me make it clear: I'm not. Calling the dev's of any game names is pretty usual, and It's reasonable to be joking around like that, but in this case it should have stayed within reason. Calling someone the thing that was said (saying it would get this comment blocked probably) isn't acceptable, but there should have been clearer communication. It would have been fine to just go "hey, guys, you can't say that. This is a sponsored stream and that sort of joking around puts our sponsorship at risk, therefore we're just going to call this set of matches since clearly nobody's taking it serious". Or if just not taking it seriously was the problem, they could have simply told the teams "hey, we're going to call it here if you guys aren't intending to play the rest of the matches seriously. Would like to play seriously or should we call it?"
Again, transparency is key here. To the regular viewer, we can't tell if this is a revenge DQ, or a rule violation, or trying to appease the sponsor. Please make an official announcement (here, where it won't get buried and is visible. A community post would be great) to make this more transparent.
Note that I came into the stream around the end of match, and have scrolled through the match to see what happened. If someone made a very brief comment at some point I may have missed it.
I think it's pretty clear it had nothing to do with them messing around game wise, it was about what they wrote. There's been plenty of other instances before in FPL and tournaments of people not taking things seriously just like this, it's just (iirc) none of those included homophobic insults. I know some people don't understand how hurtful it can be because gamer culture throws slurs around like normal insults, but it's something that's clearly not ok and good on 42 for taking a stand against it.
@@FumbleSquid It's a bit ridiculous to call what they wrote a "homophobic insult" or a "slur". I guess when they changed it to "I am gay" after that, it should've been considered as coming out?
@Skellum_ What makes or doesn't make a slur is context. Basically when gay is used as an insult or used to denigrate, it is a slur. Also the difference between a slur and a normal insult is that a slur is in reference to a historically oppressed/disadvantaged group.
It can be more complicated than that, for example context changes based on who is saying it and the target as well. Language is complex, but it's not that complex. You just have to use basic social skills to understand it.
@@FumbleSquid Erm, by my basic social skills calling someone gay, or calling yourself gay is childish, but not an insult or a slur. Unless one chooses to take it as an insult, but that is on them then. I would argue that _this_ would be homophobic actually, like, if you can't take such a mild jab lightly, you might have a problem. This is simply by definition: phobia = fear of something. So, if one is afraid of his masculinity shattered by someone implying he's gay, I have bad news for such person. :D
@@Skellum_ Again, the context is that being gay = bad. That's what makes it *contextually* a slur. It all depends on how, who, and why it is being said.
Also phobia doesn't just mean that. That again is defining things outside of context. Phobia can also mean irrational aversion, irrational denigration, or irrational bias. Words can have multiple meanings based on how they're used. This isn't hard to understand.
Very disappointed with cannons winner and the match overall. I feel like my time was wasted in the first match and I came here to watch the top players compete. Why gyaaat didn’t just end the match is beyond me but disappointed overall. As a long time viewer I hope to never see a match like that again.
"my time was wasted"
. . .Skip ahead? Stop watching? 😅
i still dont understand why are people upset that only 1 team was disqualified. GYAAT did nothing wrong and have no reason to be banned. Can people have no fun anymore?
You are more than welcome to have fun as much as you want, but perhaps in your own private lobby, not during an official, sponsored, streamed event. This is a pro league, not a kindergarten sandbox. All they did was waste everyone's time, including the time of the teams who were going to play the gold matches afterwards.
@vykro_eng even in events u can have some fun. Not everything needs to be serious. Thats what makes events fun - a situation that is different from others.
@@LiterallyMe459 You are correct, but also do not seem to understand what "not everything needs to be serious" really means.
Of course not everything needs to be serious. That's why we have people going for meme strats in those games from time to time.
But "not everything needs to be serious" does not equal "everything is allowed, anything can be justified, and there are no rules".
The problem here was that not only team 1 was drawing insults on screen, but neither side was actually playing the game. GYAT fired miniguns or mortars every once in a while without much consequence, but other than that neither side was actually attempting to win or otherwise conclude the game.
Now consider that while this was happening, there were two other teams waiting to play their final match, while casters and viewers had to sit through watching CW and GYAT mock about and waste everyone's time.
Trolling in a bronze match is a great idea, but there were so many better ways to do it, without causing harm.
I hope Cannons Winner is permabanned. It's called the pro league for a reason and not the derp league. I also would have expected better from Gyaaat but at least I know from past matches how entertaining they can be. Just wished that they'd finished Cannons Winner off a lot sooner
nah that's gay
I am not getting why only one of the first two teams got disqualified.
Because GYAAAAAAT didn't spell anything out insulting one of the game devs.
@@pyrioncelendil erm... game dev's name is "42" I guess? That's more understandable, although a bit petty (and a bit childish from gyaaat).
@@Skellum_ 42 scientist
@@Skellum_
42 Scientist (the French voice in the call that said "They better be careful with what they do next." after the IS came out) is on staff, so that about sums it up.
people are so sensitive
Why did I have to watch that first game
Probably because this was a livestream and the streamers can't predict the future so they'd have no idea that this was going to happen during a match.
@@pyrioncelendil they knew it was gonna be a troll match, they talked about it before the match started about what troll strats they were gonna see coming from both teams. The players have already made it clear to the community admin a week prior, that they were gonna do the scheduled troll bronze match
Good call on the ban, that kind of rehtoric is not needed.
That first match is just a good way to lose any sponsors. Also I REALLY hope Graaaat wasnt going for a certan pinwheel symbol....
...That's an amongus.... there's like 3 of em in the base
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 that first match. I'm sorry, 42. Pro league or not, it is still just a game after all. However this isn't the expected gameplay out of the pros.
I want to thank incursus and the judges for putting their ban on the 1st team. I don't think they owe an explanation or need to update the rules.
If you can't be commonly decent in the most professional and public facing tournament that the game has to offer then you don't belong here.
I want this to be an inclusive place that attracts new players. You call some of those players a slur and you are going to drive away potential new friends.
If they have to update the rules to include every fringe case that'll be the first nail in the coffin for the esport.
As the ref from airbud said "Ain't no rules says a dog can't play basketball."
Look at the infamously toxic street fighter scene. 2 players were going head to head in one fo the qualifiers P1 and P2.
P1's controller disconnected due to a hardware fault (think windows update for the controller in the middle fo a match). The clock was ticking down fast and there was no way P1 would be able to sort this out in time. P2 didn't want to "win" due to a technical issue with his opponents hardware. Player 2 did what any good sportsman would, he gave his opponent a chance, so instead of taking the win he paused the game.
P1 called over a ref and got P2 DQ'd.
Because in street fighter if you disconnect a controller due to hardware fault then you get a warning. If you pause you get auto DQ'd. 2 totally seperate rules that had to be introduced because players were so toxic that they had to stop people from being idiots. The no pause rule was because people were purposfully pausing to mess up their opponents timing and they had to introduce a rule specifically to stop people "buffering" their opponents.
I don't want to see that type of meta gaming brought into my forts tournies which is what happens when you have to codify every single edge case. It discourages sportsmanship and leaves only a toxic mess of sweats who know how to play the rules, not play the game.
Your "inclusiveness" didn't work out for Concord or any other games for that matter. Nobody cares about that. Actually most people hate it.
This kind of oversensitive behavior will kill this game.
If you don't like the gaming community then get out of gaming.
2:19:49 howitzers are bigots smh
Why was that first match even allowed to be posted or not cut short when it was clear that the content was unacceptable? I hope this is not what is expected in the future with Forts Pro League.
Why do you care so much? I’ve seen you write so many comments on this video. If you have actual grievances talk to them, don’t complain about it here.
Edit: I’m not saying what cannons winner did is ok, I am simply saying it’s also not that deep
Because it was a livestream, duh.
How is that unacceptable?
That's pure distilled gaming fun.
Free Cannons Winner
Sorry dude, been subbed to you for a while now but I'm out after this
bye Felicia
Why because they disqualified somebody for making inappropriate comments with their build? Bye.
See ya ❤
@@iTankSometimes Punishing the wrong person.
@@meeplymoon8391 yeah they should've punished 42 😅