8:17 they look similar because Poland has bought the license in 1959. The first type of license built unit were EU06 units (no longer in service, but they can be found in some railway museums). EU07/EP07 is a development of EU06, also some freight units were based on EU06. EU stands for Elektryczna Uniwersalna (Electric, Universal) which means can be used for hauling passenger and freight trains. T means "transportowa" (freight only) and P "pasażerska" (passenger only). S at the beginnig stands for "spalinowa" (lit. "with combustion engine") and is used for diesel-powered units. "D" (for example ED160, ED250) stands for "dalekobieżny" (pol. "for long distances")
As I read in some polish railway magazines, Warszawa Zachodnia is being rebuilt, station will look completely different, Warszawa Wschodnia will be also rebuilt i next few years, by the way great video
Oh, mine they've rebuild the rail way system like crazy, construction everywhere. My mother moved to Poland after 30yrs in Canada and said 'finally smooth, quiet ride' comparing to Via. EU07 was/is actually build on British license since mid '60s. ET22 share similar design with EU07, but was redesigned for heavy goods transport.
5:55 They are actually building new station above the crossing with Warszawa Wileńska-Vilnus line which will enable changing between LK9 and LK7 lines.
While I like your videos, I do think that you should add the tour of the toilets. Like it or not, it is slso a part of the long-distance train expirience. Apart ftom this, great video!
GREAT video and train review, though I am sad many of the locomotive / coach trains are going to these MU trainsets...they'll learn their lesson....many are "limited capacity, fixed formation" and can't be adjusted for peak or slack periods of travel...........looks like your train would have fit in all of 2 coaches and a food car. BTW...I love the video when you got to the food car, (9:40), the blonde in the long boots was great looking, but only a quick glimpse...sad
I actually compared both types and I prefer Pesa Dart, as it has more comfortable Kiel seats (instead of Grammers on Flirt) and is a little smoother runner. It actually has an ambience of a high-speed train. But from the other point of view, the Flirt is much more reliable, while Pesa products all have regular technical troubles. No wonder that PKP IC decided to buy more Flirt Intercity trains now. Btw, have you noticed that this train is very similar to ÖBB/ČD Railjet in many details? The seats are the same, the bar compartment is similar...
I agree, there are many similar interior perks between this Flirt and Railjets, however the interior itself is just lower quality than in Railjets. In Railjets there are many wooden, stainless steel decors while here, it's mostly just hard plastic. Also the pressure-tight design of Railjets does a lot. I like this train (and flirts generally) a lot, I just prefer the Pesa's approach here.
@@jmsmilfajt but this PKP IC standards of the interiors, for maintance and cleaning. Regarding PESA Dart, somehow I do not like this "Polish Pendolino", who the hell was so brave to call Pesa product as Pendolino? Design-funny, quality-typical for PESA (leaves a lot to be desired), reliability--again leaves a lot to be desired. Just compare first units when they launched this EMU and later ones.
@kkac well, I found the suspension actually little better than on Flirt. I travelled on Wroclaw - Czestochowa - Koluszki line aboard, and I liked them. About the seats, really you think they are better on Flirt? The Dart seats (Kiel Comfortline) have double tray tables, better shape, more comfortable headrest. But the quality, yes, there it suffers. Our train suffered from the air conditioning failure and had to be restarted on the first stop after Wroclaw. Funny thing: the same happened to me a day before when travelling on another Pesa product, Link II DMU, too. On the other side, Flirt remains Flirt - robust, but quality train. Also, when speaking about Polish factories, I find Newag products very good, especially the Impuls regional unit, which can easily cope with Stadler and Alstom products, and is much better than, for example, crappy CAF things.
PKP decided to go for Flirt because FLIRT was CHEAPER than DART. That was the sole reason. All the people here moaning about suspension, seats, and the likes, you don't know what you're talking about.
Nice looking train. Now as an Exeter boy who has travelled on both types of train, which would you choose to travel on from Exeter to Paddington, a Flirt or an Hitachi 800 ?
I think that the Class 745/0 are also been built for intercity style or intercity luxury which has replaced the Class 90 Mk3 on the London Liverpool Street-Norwich main line service and the Class 745/1 that is working on the Stansted Express service which has replaced the Class 379 Electrostars. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_745
Thanks for your well done presentation! It's interesting to see a Stadler Flirt used for real long distance routes. The ones we have here in Switzerland are mostly used regionally, some few ones on interregional lines like the SOB Traverso Flirt or the BLS Mika Flirt . But even these routes are 2h maximum; Switzerland is a small country after all. They PKP Inercity is undoubtly better equipped for long distance travels with a real Bistro and not just vending machines. The seats also look a bit more comfy and there's more soundproofing separation between compartements. I do like the interior style of the Mika/Traverso better though, with wood applications, taller windows and a more modern feel in general. Check it out here for comparison: BLS Mika Flirt: th-cam.com/video/6ARduNHVf3o/w-d-xo.html SOB Traverso Flirt: th-cam.com/video/36XN62QqiP8/w-d-xo.html
This comment also applies to other train journey reviewers: you mention the seat comfort, on board facilities, some reviewers also visit the toilets - what no one seems to comment on (or at least very rarely) is the ride quality. Surely that's an integral part of the journey experience???
I know that I write this comment long after the publication of the film, but in the distant future, 1-2 years, you should visit Dąbrowa Górnicza, the largest city in the Silesian Voivodeship. There is a historic train station there from 1888, which will be renovated, the renovation of the station itself is coming to an end but I feel that it will be beautiful and you should go there, for example, from Katowice to Dąbrowa Górnicza
Hi, I DO love your videos, ESPECIALLY about Poland as I am Polish-American AND working for dual citizenship to Poland. I do feel I need to make one TINY correction about your video; those were NOT apple scones, but apple PANCAKES...sorry...
I'd say there's not much difference between this and the Pesa Dart. I prefer the Pesa Dart but that's purely based on aesthetics and potential speed. While both trains are similar, it is cool to know the Pesa Dart can go a lot faster!
@@nikodempietrzak2001 100% Swiss train, designed by Swiss company, with loads of Swiss technology, patents and components and ONLY MANUFACTURED in Poland.
Two of my worst journeys of my life were on night Dart train, so yeah, I prefer Flirt. I'm not saying I like them, but they are not as atrocious as PESAs.
I prefer STADLER FLIRT because ride inside is calm than in PESA DART, engines are not noisy, when i rode to Bydgoszcz Gł from Katowice i have never been tired after 7 hours journey , i think this units are much better in all type, i had couch 3, board restaurant was good and served good dishes, when i must go by train i prefer IC HUTNIK where is STADLER FLIRT - or when i have go to Warsaw i take IC SKARBEK where STADLER FLIRT IS TOO, I hate ride by PESA DART for me DART is too noisy and after 4 hour journey i was tired when i gone this train, STADLER IS BETTER IN ALL THE TIME for long journey in my opinion as passenger these trains , have a good next journeys .
I feel ashamed that "plastic trains" such as ED160 FLIRT offer more confort than actual loco-hauled trains from CFR Calatori, especially in cheap (poorly modernised) open area cars such as series 20-68 Blee modernised by Electroputere VFU Pascani that ressemble "shuttle confort" but are put into service on 15-17 hours diagrams...
In my opinion, the station Warszawa Centralna is just ugly. It is the capital of Poland and Warsaw should be able to build a new beautiful railway station. Pozdrawiam.
I was at Warsaw back in the early 1990's, and Centralna sort of reminded me of what was done to Penn Station in New York in 1963.....same station below, but totally modern above ground. Found it to be interesting though. Trying to book a sleeper from there to Koln in Germany, and the girl ticket agent had no idea what I meant by Koln, not knowing German, and I not knowing the Polish word for the city.....but got what I wanted and got there.
8:17 they look similar because Poland has bought the license in 1959. The first type of license built unit were EU06 units (no longer in service, but they can be found in some railway museums). EU07/EP07 is a development of EU06, also some freight units were based on EU06.
EU stands for Elektryczna Uniwersalna (Electric, Universal) which means can be used for hauling passenger and freight trains. T means "transportowa" (freight only) and P "pasażerska" (passenger only). S at the beginnig stands for "spalinowa" (lit. "with combustion engine") and is used for diesel-powered units. "D" (for example ED160, ED250) stands for "dalekobieżny" (pol. "for long distances")
EU05 was an English Electric loco, don't recall the BR class.
I realized that PKP operate BR class 83's clones till this day since 5 decades
Hello a quick suggestion: Can you put the date of travel in the Journey Details of the video description? Thanks.
Amateur mistake eh 😅
@@NonstopEurotrip haha😂
Greetings from Poland!
Warszawa Zachodnia is under reconstruction...huge work there
As I read in some polish railway magazines, Warszawa Zachodnia is being rebuilt, station will look completely different, Warszawa Wschodnia will be also rebuilt i next few years, by the way great video
you can in fact see the rebuild project on the youtube live stream, just search "Warszawa Zachodnia Live na żywo" a
Oh, mine they've rebuild the rail way system like crazy, construction everywhere.
My mother moved to Poland after 30yrs in Canada and said 'finally smooth, quiet ride' comparing to Via.
EU07 was/is actually build on British license since mid '60s. ET22 share similar design with EU07, but was redesigned for heavy goods transport.
About a smooth ride: wait till you try the TLK. They are basically like a trip to a museum
@@bartoszkrawczyk3946TLK services are getting upgraded to their modern counterpart which is IC. There's much less of those nowadays.
5:55 They are actually building new station above the crossing with Warszawa Wileńska-Vilnus line which will enable changing between LK9 and LK7 lines.
While I like your videos, I do think that you should add the tour of the toilets. Like it or not, it is slso a part of the long-distance train expirience. Apart ftom this, great video!
I'm always thankful he doesn't tour the toilets, unlike his cohorts!
@@AnnabelSmyth cohort eh 😉
The toilets are part of any journey experience, no matter how long or short!
it all came back on my own train travels....great vid.
Dang, that's nice for a Stadler FLIRT set.
Great looking trains.
GREAT video and train review, though I am sad many of the locomotive / coach trains are going to these MU trainsets...they'll learn their lesson....many are "limited capacity, fixed formation" and can't be adjusted for peak or slack periods of travel...........looks like your train would have fit in all of 2 coaches and a food car.
BTW...I love the video when you got to the food car, (9:40), the blonde in the long boots was great looking, but only a quick glimpse...sad
Unfair review on the stock, there was no panel ripping off clips as seen in a couple other reviews.
I actually compared both types and I prefer Pesa Dart, as it has more comfortable Kiel seats (instead of Grammers on Flirt) and is a little smoother runner. It actually has an ambience of a high-speed train. But from the other point of view, the Flirt is much more reliable, while Pesa products all have regular technical troubles. No wonder that PKP IC decided to buy more Flirt Intercity trains now.
Btw, have you noticed that this train is very similar to ÖBB/ČD Railjet in many details? The seats are the same, the bar compartment is similar...
I agree, there are many similar interior perks between this Flirt and Railjets, however the interior itself is just lower quality than in Railjets. In Railjets there are many wooden, stainless steel decors while here, it's mostly just hard plastic. Also the pressure-tight design of Railjets does a lot. I like this train (and flirts generally) a lot, I just prefer the Pesa's approach here.
@@jmsmilfajt but this PKP IC standards of the interiors, for maintance and cleaning. Regarding PESA Dart, somehow I do not like this "Polish Pendolino", who the hell was so brave to call Pesa product as Pendolino? Design-funny, quality-typical for PESA (leaves a lot to be desired), reliability--again leaves a lot to be desired. Just compare first units when they launched this EMU and later ones.
@kkac well, I found the suspension actually little better than on Flirt. I travelled on Wroclaw - Czestochowa - Koluszki line aboard, and I liked them. About the seats, really you think they are better on Flirt? The Dart seats (Kiel Comfortline) have double tray tables, better shape, more comfortable headrest.
But the quality, yes, there it suffers. Our train suffered from the air conditioning failure and had to be restarted on the first stop after Wroclaw. Funny thing: the same happened to me a day before when travelling on another Pesa product, Link II DMU, too. On the other side, Flirt remains Flirt - robust, but quality train.
Also, when speaking about Polish factories, I find Newag products very good, especially the Impuls regional unit, which can easily cope with Stadler and Alstom products, and is much better than, for example, crappy CAF things.
PKP decided to go for Flirt because FLIRT was CHEAPER than DART. That was the sole reason. All the people here moaning about suspension, seats, and the likes, you don't know what you're talking about.
Great video !!
Great video :) Greetings
Nice looking train.
Now as an Exeter boy who has travelled on both types of train, which would you choose to travel on from Exeter to Paddington, a Flirt or an Hitachi 800 ?
Very much obvious for most of us, I’d rather fly from Exeter to London than take an IET
I think superalbs would rather walk backward than take an IET 😅
8:54 ooooooo. never seen that before
I love 💕 Stadler Rail💕
in your opinion, which of the two trains between Stadler and Pesa is better in terms of ride, acceleration, noise insulation, comfort of the seats
I think that the Class 745/0 are also been built for intercity style or intercity luxury which has replaced the Class 90 Mk3 on the London Liverpool Street-Norwich main line service and the Class 745/1 that is working on the Stansted Express service which has replaced the Class 379 Electrostars.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_745
Thanks for your well done presentation! It's interesting to see a Stadler Flirt used for real long distance routes. The ones we have here in Switzerland are mostly used regionally, some few ones on interregional lines like the SOB Traverso Flirt or the BLS Mika Flirt . But even these routes are 2h maximum; Switzerland is a small country after all.
They PKP Inercity is undoubtly better equipped for long distance travels with a real Bistro and not just vending machines. The seats also look a bit more comfy and there's more soundproofing separation between compartements.
I do like the interior style of the Mika/Traverso better though, with wood applications, taller windows and a more modern feel in general.
Check it out here for comparison:
BLS Mika Flirt: th-cam.com/video/6ARduNHVf3o/w-d-xo.html
SOB Traverso Flirt: th-cam.com/video/36XN62QqiP8/w-d-xo.html
Glad you enjoyed!
I would love to try those two FLIRT units, the design looks smart as you say. :)
On the other hand, Poland needs EMU's in long distance travel as soon as possible, even if they are redesigned local Swiss units.
Great video dude, sexy train ☺️🇵🇱
4:38 they have them on Cross country as well
Können sie auch bald die dostos von koleje mazowieckie machen
Great video and also great train I partcialury liked the dining car are those common or becoming rare on modern trains
Nice train.
You really do love Polska do you :)
Yes!!! :)
This comment also applies to other train journey reviewers: you mention the seat comfort, on board facilities, some reviewers also visit the toilets - what no one seems to comment on (or at least very rarely) is the ride quality. Surely that's an integral part of the journey experience???
I was also wondering when the journey was made as nobody was wearing masks.It did look good vale for money.Did they have bike spaces on the train?
Nice review of the FLIRT (which I like more than the Dart) and apple drop scones. Next time can you please review the dumplings?
On the interior I like both trains. But on the outside I like the dart more.
I know that I write this comment long after the publication of the film, but in the distant future, 1-2 years, you should visit Dąbrowa Górnicza, the largest city in the Silesian Voivodeship. There is a historic train station there from 1888, which will be renovated, the renovation of the station itself is coming to an end but I feel that it will be beautiful and you should go there, for example, from Katowice to Dąbrowa Górnicza
Interesting, thanks for the advice. What trains run there?
Hi, I DO love your videos, ESPECIALLY about Poland as I am Polish-American AND working for dual citizenship to Poland. I do feel I need to make one TINY correction about your video; those were NOT apple scones, but apple PANCAKES...sorry...
I'd say there's not much difference between this and the Pesa Dart. I prefer the Pesa Dart but that's purely based on aesthetics and potential speed. While both trains are similar, it is cool to know the Pesa Dart can go a lot faster!
@Bartosz Paradowski Now, that's typical Polish straightforwardness.
The dart (in my opinion) is a absolute copy of the elf, just intercity improvements.
I'm pretty sure Pesa Dart and Stadler FLIRT3 can go the same speed, which is 160 km/h.
Stadler for life.
btw the annocements sounds like dracular
2:14 PESA Dart trains are very perishable, no one from the railway industry recommends them.
Hmm, I enjoyed them. 😂
But I have heard about a lot of problems...
PKP is now my favourite TOC in Europe
I prefer loco and cars with compartments. When I must ride EMU, I prefer Stadler, not Dart and Pendolino!
FLIRT 🥰
Most are used in Switzerland EMU model
But its always POLISH trains, made in Siedlce
@@nikodempietrzak2001 Patented by the Swiss
@@eddieimmortalkingofuniverse u can hope ;)
@@eddieimmortalkingofuniverse u can hope ;)
@@nikodempietrzak2001 100% Swiss train, designed by Swiss company, with loads of Swiss technology, patents and components and ONLY MANUFACTURED in Poland.
Two of my worst journeys of my life were on night Dart train, so yeah, I prefer Flirt. I'm not saying I like them, but they are not as atrocious as PESAs.
Well, the problem with night trains on EMUs is that you usually can't turn off the lights.
@@spicehammer5707 yes, of course, but if lights would be more yellow like in Pendolinos, instead of bright white the travel would me more enjoyable
Why were they so bad?
Iława Główna station bulding its great! You don't presenting this object.
Please Next EN57 xD
12:05 trust me, you don't
😂😂😂😂
They seem to be disappearing these days! :(
Sbb Giruno without face
I prefer STADLER FLIRT because ride inside is calm than in PESA DART, engines are not noisy, when i rode to Bydgoszcz Gł from Katowice i have never been tired after 7 hours journey , i think this units are much better in all type, i had couch 3, board restaurant was good and served good dishes, when i must go by train i prefer IC HUTNIK where is STADLER FLIRT - or when i have go to Warsaw i take IC SKARBEK where STADLER FLIRT IS TOO, I hate ride by PESA DART for me DART is too noisy and after 4 hour journey i was tired when i gone this train, STADLER IS BETTER IN ALL THE TIME for long journey in my opinion as passenger these trains , have a good next journeys .
I live in ilawa
POLSKA? ANYBODY?
Im poland
Polish*
@@ETG7 tak
I feel ashamed that "plastic trains" such as ED160 FLIRT offer more confort than actual loco-hauled trains from CFR Calatori, especially in cheap (poorly modernised) open area cars such as series 20-68 Blee modernised by Electroputere VFU Pascani that ressemble "shuttle confort" but are put into service on 15-17 hours diagrams...
You have to be patient. The change hasn't happened in years. It took decades.
Yi
Food is the first time that I
Uuuui
Can't believe there are no masks!
It must've been recorded before the pandemic
It may be pre pandemic then, as mask are compulsory on PKP Intercity
Maybe 2019.
In my opinion, the station Warszawa Centralna is just ugly. It is the capital of Poland and Warsaw should be able to build a new beautiful railway station. Pozdrawiam.
I was at Warsaw back in the early 1990's, and Centralna sort of reminded me of what was done to Penn Station in New York in 1963.....same station below, but totally modern above ground. Found it to be interesting though. Trying to book a sleeper from there to Koln in Germany, and the girl ticket agent had no idea what I meant by Koln, not knowing German, and I not knowing the Polish word for the city.....but got what I wanted and got there.
Never tired of moaning? What will you do with the train traffic while you're building your magnificent new station?