i love that this video is not trying to push some agenda, it's just "here's a graph and here's what biases are in this graph, make your conclusions if you will"
I can’t say enough about the unrivaled quality of Vox’s video production, especially on a medium like TH-cam. Kudos to the team - I can tell a lot of work went into this.
@@solderbuff I studied both in the US and outside (I'm from Brazil) and we do learn these things but, unfortunately, most people don't learn math because there's too much focus on the mechanics of it instead of on the logic. The mechanics are good for people who like it and will go into physics, engineering and the likes, but the logic is a "must learn thing" for everybody - just like people like me, who studied engineering, must learn history. I tried to explain what exponential is on a comment above - don't know if I manage do a good job, though. Check it out and leave a comment, please!
@Niharika Tripathi "Train to Busan" is set in the modern era. Since he said dawn of time I thought it means it was set in an older era like the Joseon Dynasty in "Kingdom". I might be wrong...
Yeah. Just as there may be tens of millions who have coronavirus particles in them, but they don't develop any symptoms, and their bodies just naturally fight off the virus without any outside interference.
@@marks9127 not just that, but as the previous reply said, most people who are sick are not being allowed testing (at least in America) in addition to the probably 80% asymptomatic cases
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What we learn after COVID-19: competent government is surprisingly needed.
@@Pneuma40 huh where did you get that idea from? I don't know that was true even three weeks ago. Italy 3,800 per m, germany 2,000 per m, USA 5,000 per m *According to johns hopkins
@@onetom2222 Let's see 5000 per million times 325 million is..... 1,625,000 deaths in USA ????? So you are not so good with math. If we get 90,000 deaths divided by 325 million population is 277 per million. Super low. Since we don't know how many have had the virus deaths per total pop is the only meaningful comparison...... try that on other nations and you see we have fared far better than any except Germany.
Yep... We can all blame China for acting slowly, but some counties had months to prepare and only started lockdowns weeks after the first confirmed cases. We should have learned, we had more time and there was already a lot of knowledge and experience out there by February and March. Sigh.
I'm not sure the onus should fall wholly on the public. Media outlets bear some responsibility. If a graph has potential to mislead, are there ways they report the story better? Critical thinking is important but responsibility needs to fall on both parties (the consumer AND the creator)
The problem with graphs is that it isn't something normal people are used to interpreting. It looks easy, and that's the whole point of graphs, to be easy to see things. If you know how to read graphs, you don't need to be an expert in the field to understand what it all means. However, if you don't know how, you'll be easily mistaken, blinded or mislead by those that try to tell you what it is and lie to you about, which is something media could EASILY do.
It is very impressive to see how South Korea has flatten the curve even WITHOUT lockdown
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Y.S Lee actually, if you check the number of actual cases, it’s very sharp, they forced the virus down, so the curve is not flatter, just smaller, which might come back to hurt in the second wawe.
@ Depends also on which curve one talks about. The actual curve to flatten in the expected bell curve of cases. Flatting it means slowing down infection rate. Not stopping it. (Though if you did manage to stop it completely then it would of course flatten the curve to). And this is so that the healthcare system can cope with the situation. South Korea have been pretty good at slowing down the rate. So they have actually flatten the curve. Even in a country like US which has a lot of issues with how it handles the corona virus there have been some flatting of the curve thanks to measures taken. Though acting faster would have helped a lot. In the end every little bit helps.
@ A second wave may hit them but they are prepared for sure. They will stop the spread as fast as possible so their situation won't be like in the European countries and USA.
“Some governments had more time than others”. Well unfortunately that some government still isn’t ready to face the fact and tries to blame other governments
Having more time to prepare for a pandemic always helps, when another authoritarian country (China) tries hiding cases it makes it difficult for others (literally every other country) to prepare and know what to expect. Also to prepare hospital beds and testing.
Ottrzzz So that's the reason why after POTUS travel ban China and Wuhan shutdown the cities in February, our government still cannot realize how bad is the situation by issues the lockdown earlier? Or they cannot issues the lockdown because they need some extra time to sell their stock?
Ottrzzz China shared information to US CDC in early January. Wuhan started lockdown in late January and US banned Chinese travels immediately. It seems that US government realized the problem very early in the game but then did nothing in the following two months except the travel ban. And for your information China didn’t know exactly what it was. There’re many virus discovered every day, so you can’t disclose every virus. It would be impossible and that’s not how it works. We’re just starting to know about the viruse now.
Huang Li Trump did not travel ban China in February he travel banned China in early March. The reason why is because he was not getting much support from the left to travel ban and was getting called names such as a “xenophobe”or “racist”. Plus I live in the US and I can say no one expected how quickly the pandemic would spread among in the US. I do think if China gave us more information about the virus we would have been better off about handling the virus. We did not learn the exact death rate and infection rate until it came to other countries and in the US.
Will W Why did China share information early January when they noticed “mysterious pneumonia” cases in November? By January a modern nation like China should have enough experience with the virus to be able to tell what virus it is. China also did their best to silence every doctor who tried to spread more information about the virus and the WHO just let that one slide. The US did not ban immediately they started the travel ban in March because Trump wasn’t getting support from the left. I’m not blaming the left because there’s no party to blame no one would have expected the turnout of the virus. Lastly we would already know about the virus by now instead of learning about the virus if we had better information about the virus we wouldn’t be in this bad of a situation.
In fact, South Korea is NOT totally open, but with different restriction: "Effective April 13, 2020, citizens of countries that restricted visa-free travel for South Koreans will not be allowed visa-free travel in South Korea. Visas issued on or before 5 April are invalidated."
@@taiundoo8435 Correct me if I'm wrong: besides Taiwan, Korea is also densely populated overall with high public transportation usage such as the metro, bus, and taxi.
I think Vietnam is the winner here. Less than 300 cases with 0 deaths (first case since January), right next to China with a population of almost 100 million, their country is even smaller than California. Who would have thought a densely populated third world country with not much quality infrastructure and healthcare system could contain the virus? They are even one of the first countries to successfully develop a quick test kit in February which is confirmed by WHO and is currently exporting and donating kits to other countries. That's not to include that a portion of the population don't have access to proper Internet or cable television, yet they still manage to get almost everyone to follow the rule.
It's very unfortunate that we can't follow South Korean model even if you want. They've never locked down any city so far with 51M population, but managed almost perfectly. Here in Canada, we surpassed way higher with 37M population. Lock down has been nearly two months by now.
You NEED to test the way S Korea did if you don't want lockdown. Also, Canada is a LOT bigger than. S Korea so that would be harder to coordinate. It would be nice though.
@@gqn2 no, you just insist. There was apartment building locked down but never city wise. They always traveled freely so far. Show me any proof, at least any article please?
@@darkowl9 ??? I don't know where u get that informatiom from, but Daegu has never been in a lockdown. I apparently live there so i can assure u that. We were "advised" to stay home but it was never a "mandatory", the shops and companies were always oppened till now.
But also, all doctors in the USA were told to write off any deaths as coronavirus, so if someone died in a car accident it'll be on their record as a Covid-19 death. I don't trust any of those cases and death numbers.
@@Canleaf08 if there are far more cases in reality than positive tests, it's far more good than it is bad. It means the fatality rate of the virus is lower than the real numbers imply and it means the virus will start spreading more slowly sooner as there are fewer people to infect.
CanadianMapleLeaf01 no it’s not. It’s comforting. It means that the death rate is very very low. In fact antibody testing has shown its 300x more infectious but only has a .1% death rate. Including all those who have somthing in addition to covid like cancer, respiratory failure, cystic fibrosis, diabetes, asthma, Etc.
Amazing how many people act like they have a clue what they’re talking about, with no medical, statistical, or even basic science experience. That may be the most frightening aspect of this. What’s worse, is how many people go further and start lecturing others, with such a nauseatingly pejorative attitude.
Schismatic Sci Now honestly I think China should be on the list for effective handling,I know I know it’s not the most humane or “democratic” or free way of doing it but it worked. 2 months and everyone is already back to work. The government might be down playing but the truth is the curve has been flattened in early April no matter how you look at it and even if the numbers are triple or 10 times as large,its a fact that they flattened the curve the fastest.
South Koreans collectively have a uniquely different mindset about everything, which was amazingly well suited to deal with this problem. What they did with tracking down known (+) patients and hunting down their previous contacts, posting that information publically so literally anybody could track their movement on their phones to avoid the buses, subways, and other public places they have been, etc - that stuff will not only majorly violate HIPAA but the majority of free spirited Americans will never be okay with that level of close monitoring from the government
Contact tracing is retroactive tracing with existing surveillance records, not tracking in realtime. If this was not an emergency, prosecutors may access them given a search warrant anyway. The South Korean law just gives KCDC a temporary blanket search warrant to access them during an outbreak. And if you surveyed the most trustworthy one among all government agencies, institutes, constitutional authorities, and civic groups in South Korea, KCDC would score the uncomparable top at the moment, whereas the prosecutor's office and the court would belong to the bottom group. KCDC have been competent and transparent in every aspect and citizens trust them for protecting their family members and themselves. BTW, those information is strictly anonymous. We still don't know who the famous patient #31 is.
I don’t get why everyone talks like the pandemic started in March. But in reality it started in January/December and the us and Europe acted late by not closing their borders earlier.
the thing is that the us and europe closed their border to china but didnt close the borders to each other. Thats why cases in the us in Feb-Mar are largely caused by infected persons from europe.
Closing borders is not a popular topic on a vox article. Heavy criticism at the time from vox and their readership and they still cant admit it was right or give credit.
yea the thing is this virus is undiscoverable until someone go check it in a hospital with a decent lab for examination cause symptoms are really close to a flu, so the virus got a free ride for at least a month or two before been discovered in China
That's true. Unfortunately, most countries outside of China dismissed it early on. Just look at the WHO - in mid-January when the Chinese national government first learned of the outbreak (it was the local government in Wuhan that suppressed knowledge of the virus), the first thing they did was invite the WHO to come to Wuhan. The WHO stated at the time that it was a "China-only" problem and then left. Later they did change their position, but still initially dismissed it. Fast forward a bit to when the whole of Hubei, especially Wuhan, was completely locked down and quarantined (yes, the rest of China was under lockdown, but Wuhan had the strongest lockdown in place). The US (they were the first ones, but many other nations followed suit) insisted that they "evacuate" their citizens out of Wuhan, thereby breaking the quarantine. As stated, other nations followed suit, and in fact, the outbreak in Iran can be directly connected to this incident. Two students who were "evacuated", upon returning to Iran, went to the city of Qom to pray. That city became the epicenter of the outbreak there. I've heard numerous reports of a lack of protection against contamination, poor handling of the situation, etc. from the US government initially. This, coupled with faulty testing kits allowed the virus to spread so heavily in the US.
Kody Wong Taiwan even wrote a letter to WHO 12/31 warning them about human to human contact, but the WHO ignored us of course. :) Now, Taiwan is one of the safest/most normal countries in the world during this pandemic. We didn’t listen to WHO and didn’t trust China, and we are better off!
It makes sense to display data in a variety of different ways to approach a problem from different angles. You can see things that might not have been as evident in a different graph. Sharing multiple graphs with all the context behind them, how to read them, and what they might suggest isn't as easy as sharing one chart on social media. Taking the time to explain how to read these charts and what they say in an easy to digest way is a good way to further the public's understanding of the data being presented to it. Nice work, really liked this video.
Yeah just completely ignore the fact that Japan screens patients before PCR tests with its abundant availability of CT/MRI scanners. It tells how much Vox either doesn't research, or intentionally hides key facts for some reason.
Hmm.. according to Japanese precision, China must be the most successful country in the world dealing with COVID-19 according to their infection rate compared with total population :/
Graphs are like maps. Distortions are use to emphasize or obscured some features/data. It's important to strike a balance or use complementary graphs too.
@@AaronShenghao But not everyone knows how a log graph works. So, the balance that graphs make is trying to make a point (disease exponential growth) and the viewer's understanding.
This is actually really important. We need to remember what we are looking at to understand the full picture about Corona. And *some* people are not doing that.
When you say "we", I think it's important to hold both ourselves as critical thinkers AND the content providers accountable. Media outlets bear some responsibility. If a graph has potential to mislead, are there ways they report the story better? Critical thinking is important but responsibility needs to fall on both parties (the consumer AND the creator)
as soon as i saw this chart i was dubious- 100, 1,000, 10,000, and 100,000 all spaced the same distance apart? as dsngerously midleading as those models of the solar system with all the planets spaced out evenly and closely to the sun.
@@hyteenju304 My question is - are we to blame those ignorant people for being ignorant. Put another way - WHY does it appear that there are so many ignorant people? And what can be done to reduce the level of ignorance?
@@MaxMckayful Well, as far as I see, ppl who subscribe to channel like this are more likely to be more logical. I have try to use all kinds of ways to tell ppl what newest reserch is and where you can find them, but it seems really hard. One's idea are so deeply influenced by education, nation, background that it can only be influence bit by bit, better in their own way.
Countries with a late outbreak have more time to prepare, but unfortunately the government's ability to act is more critical. UK US erupted late, but the situation was grim.
No, them starting late only means they had more time to prepare and learn from past countries(but often didn't.) It doesn't mean anything else, certainly no excuses. Down with America.
yeah but yet again.... it been 4 months so whoever sick should either died or not much worry about this thing now... however still need to stay clean not looking for it.
From 4:09 the sound design is just perfect. The tiny little explosions that can be heard in the background with every new country coming up onto the list just brings out the epic proportion of the disease! Kudos to Team VOX!
Prime minister Imran khan is so afraid to tabligh jamaah to close masjid during ramadhan.. You know what happens when people get doctrine by they preacher said *do you afraid Allah or afraid corona* ? And they also brave to say to *get shot and hanged* if one of them gets infected by the corona virus after gathering in the masjid. What would happen if they go to street and protest. I hope they close masjid and another place who will gather lots of people in. Or the second wave for Pakistan would be severe . Good luck pakistan 😞👍
To be fair , people are animals after all. They need to be scared, to be shown the real information and understand the situation. In the US there are protests to open the country and in my own country, people go to parks and to the supermarkets without a mask. Why chill out when we still are in a crisis?
Vladdie the laddie Completely agree. The people who are protesting to reopen call scientific information “scare tactics” because they refuse to acknowledge that the situation is bad, and it’s scary, and we should all be worried
@@justanotheruser2611 It is not okay when they go around infecting other innocent people and make things extremely difficult to trace/predict, possibly extend the lockdown indefinitely.
China, Hongkong, Taiwan were scared by SARS 17 years ago, so they know the potential danger is there. Unfortunately, Spain flu pandemic is too far ago for US
Not everyone's as hysterical as you, vladdie. I suppose you never had a problem when 500,000 - 600,000 (children also) were dying every year due to flu and are still are blissfully unaware of that fact. I know dozens of people that were having symptoms in the UK around Christmas time, my family included. Don't be fooled into thinking that the virus just started spreading when the testing started. It's been around for a while and many people have already caught it and survived. I realise the dangers and precautions need to be taken but, stopping the economy is not a way of protecting the people, instead it's putting everyone at risk. In the UK, we need people to work to fund/support the health service. Without it, the NHS will not survive and will have to be privatised, meaning the poor won't be able to use it anymore.
they will be mad i think ,because in most countries the samples are not representative and they dont have a clear view of what is happening and they want to re open economies without knowing 100% whats happenig.They experiment on us
@@georgephotoworld agreed. As a mathematician, I appreciate how this video explains the flaws of these curves, but I also can't stand that these curves even exist. There are just too many variables to accurately compare how each country is faring in the problem. Comparing a country like S. Korea to the USA is simply top complex to accurately gauge success.
The Japanese government has decided to send the public two masks (the public receives only two masks for compensation). The cost was 46.6 billion yen. However, when I actually checked it, it was 9 billion yen. Politicians are trying to make money with the lives of their people. Disappointed.
@@jtw10192 that is not really relevant as it turns out young people are dropping like flys in North America. And kids are starting occupying ICU in Europe as well. So, the fatality rate for young and old population might now be as significant as we would like to see.
@@林振华-t4v dropping like flies? 🤣 My wife had it already. It does hit harder than the Flu but never once did she need hospitalization. All they did at the hospital was advise she self quarantined for 14 days and that it will pass. And it sure did. There are also cases of 90+ year olds "surviving" COVID-19, several cases in the US and other in Spain. If a 90 year old can survive, who is suppose to be the ones that shouldn't, then as I have seen personally, it isn't as bad as they make it out to be. Sure, you do feel like you have the Flu but stronger and last more than a week, but not anywhere close as to what the media is making out to be.
That1PlaceBehindTheBush that is half true half false Koreans usually wear masks to protect themselves from microscopic dust that flew from china. Edit: and a lot of the stockpile ran out at the beginning of coved-19, because the korean government sent masks to china. But all this is useless information I think..
Thing is that underdeveloped countries aren't having a high percentage of deaths as claimed by the first world countries. Wonder why? It should be that those underdeveloped countries should have people dying left and right but they aren't. Nicaragua for example has very few cases, no precautions at all and only 4 deaths since March. If it's so deadly, Nicaragua should have deaths in the hundreds of thousands already, not just 4.
Your visuals made this topic so accessible. The narration, structure and animation were very helpful. Thank you again for a well made, informative video!
@Natalie Mayo us never had 100 cases untill it started testing a lot more ppl. Thats y it took so long to reach that many. By the time south korea reached 100, all the countries had that many too. They just didnt test early enough
@M Detlef if the 1st case was on the same day, why would the 100th case be so much later in the US? sure we weren't testing back then, but we still had the 100th case around the same time, unless it miraculously doesn't spread at the same rate in America
@@emrazum There was indeed 100th case in US, probably around the same time or even earlier than Korea, but it was DETECTED much later in US. That's the date shown on the graph. So the 'actual' 100th case is not the same person as 'recorded' 100th case.
Here they always show how many have been tested and how many are negative (cumulative numbers) along with tracing people who almost made contact with the confirmed (you can be positive without any symptoms) and people with symptoms (this one usually get swab-tested for an accurate result) the only problem is the teamwork between local government and their people
Very informative but I disagree with one thing, all governments had the exact same time from when the news about the virus broke. The statement should say “some governments chose to act and others chose not to”. The whole world found out about the virus together - most countries decided to ignore it/avoid strong action until it couldn’t be avoided anymore. That’s what’s made the difference.
Taiwan had less time and unlike the others.... And another example Brazil it's in a total chaos and the president still denies how bad the situation is.
1) 330 million vs 50 million - That is a big deal. It's not as simple as getting 7 times as many kits and opening 7 times as many labs. There is so much more in terms of logistics and bureaucracy that clutter the efficiency of a roll out that big. 2) The CDC took longer to get testing protocols in place, then there was accuracy and supply issues to boot. The biggest reason for SK's success was the early testing. 3) I think it's also safe to assume that South Korea was preparing for such an event for some time now. Being so close to the viral cesspool that is China, they needed to be ready to act quickly. Meanwhile the US has been ignoring this threat for decades. It is plainly obvious that this country did not have a plan in place and we are literally making things up as we go. A month into this event and the fact that states are finally creating safe workplace/business mandates is all the proof you need to understand that we were not prepared to act. Had proper preparations been made, more people could have been at work safely this whole time. Instead of throwing a blanket over everyone and closing all "non-essential" businesses, we could have kept low exposure businesses open providing they took the proper measures.
We won't ever gain a true understanding of the scope of this thing until we start testing _everyone,_ not just people showing symptoms. Research from Spain and South Korea, now being corroborated by other countries including the US, suggests that anywhere between 60% and 90% of cases are completely asymptomatic, so since testing is currently being done mostly on those showing symptoms, it's likely the actual numbers can be anywhere from five to ten times higher. Fortunately, this does carry a couple of pieces of good news should it prove to be true: the virus isn't nearly as deadly as first thought, and the reason cases are leveling off is mainly because the virus is running out of viable hosts to infect. But of course, we won't know any of this for certain if we keep restricting tests to the visibly ill.
You're right, some people have the virus and can transmit it without showing any symptoms, but testing everyone is easy to be said but nearly impossible to be made, i hope people take more precautions and stay home.
It’s mostly asymptomatic because a large portion of those who show symptoms were arrested and quarantined. I wouldn’t consider this good news, because it means that the virus has already adapted to our containment strategy, it became more elusive.
Impeachment stopped never stopped Trump. You had time to go to India and for the March For Life Rally but none for a pandemic? Kerala was prepared since the Nipah Virus in 2018. Guess where they're right now.
At this point it's clear that the Republican party has some sort of persecution complex. The only "enemies" they see are their fellow Americans who disagree with them, while real enemies like Russia, and this time, the virus, can get a pass from them.
No, it also depends on the level of testing - if they didn't test enough like Italy, if it is poor country like Ecuador or if the tests didn't work like in the US.
@@Diamonddavej that applies when the test kits aren't enough, but governments can really play that trick and deliberately pressing down the level of testing.
Doing the charts in a log style also helps to reduce panic in people. But I wonder if the graphs were presented conventionally - if more people would be taking this seriously and staying home.
Intent is a really interesting question here. What can happen sometimes is a chart meant for experts is picked up by the media and shown to the public. The public should not be expected to look at a technical chart and fully understand the nuance. Is there a better chart to show them? Do we just not show a chart at all? I don't want to wholly blame reporters either, because rapidly trying to understand a complex topic is tough for everyone. But .... we can and should do better as much as possible.
The log scale doesn't make much sense to me. All it does is flatten the curve the worse it gets. Why not just plot the number of cases / the number of tests on the y axis? That way the numbers are normalized. (While plotting days since the virus on the x axis and keeping both axes linear). And if we really need to see how the curve changed in the first few days, make it animated so that the axes zoom out over time. Though I guess I already know the answer to "why not?"... we'd need to actually know the number of tests performed. And not all countries revealed that data.
Sharon Lougheed same reason why we use log scales for earthquakes, pH and pretty much everything else where numbers grow really big really quickly. Linear scale only shows that its getting very big, but it is not useful for other purposes, such as seeing growth rates, long term trends and estimating effectiveness of measures. Remember, outbreaks grow exponentially not linearly hence the logarithmic scale. To put it in your words, it makes little sense to plot a logarithmic phenomenon on a linear scale just as how plotting a linear phenomenon like someone’s age on a logarithmic scale makes little sense (unless you’re an elf ;) )
The most important fact that they didn’t even discuss was that getting corona is not a death sentence. The graph should reflect the deaths or people needing to be put on a ventilator.
Aaron Anderson shhhhhhhhhh the media doesn’t want to show that data because it really isn’t that deadly to your average Joe. It’s a bad flu season with no vaccine pretty much
I like that we don't rate, despite having slightly less cases than South Korea. We're hidden in the faded countries at 0:13 but nowhere else. --Australia
Daniel Shin it’s a lie. you don’t have any source to show it. Other countries also sometimes dismiss the isolated case at home, but it doesn’t mean the number is structurally manipulated.
Lu Up I know the news, but surprisingly their sample funeral director is just one. some funeral directors say the number isn’t different from the annual average. the news is too uncertain to confirm.
Daniel Shin Japan doesn’t care about the neighbors’ rumors and reputation. It’s completely out of their mind. Their top priority isn’t subject to the irresponsible rumors or skeptical WHO’s standards but to save a life of japanese. Don’t get involved in your worthless defamation.
Thank you for this explanation. It is really confusing for lay people to get this and sometimes ends up misininterpreting the data thus being counterproductive :-/
I really don't recommend watching Vox, they obviously try to make it as dramatic as possible - it's their best way of making money. Vox refuses to show the percentage of death rates within people who have the virus, because it's really, really low in comparison to other viruses.
We seriously need to appreciate the quality they put into such small videos. It's off the charts. (did you see what i did there?). But seriously, great job guys. Your team is amazingly talented.
Honestly, some coverage on how leading media networks do their fact checking and research would be a very interesting video, especially compared to less reputable sources like Breitbart.
Im from Singapore and this is from our Government A Sense of Perspective Are we embarrassed by Singapore having the highest number of known COVID-19 cases in SE Asia? Are we embarrassed by the foreign workers situation? Are we asking why didn’t we put in place all the current measures earlier? If your answers are yes to all the above, then read on. Numbers Having the highest number of known cases in SEA does not tell us whether Singapore has lost or won the fight. This is not the first time that Singapore has the highest number of known cases in Southeast Asia for this long COVID-19 battle. It may also not be the last. There is a sure way to bring down the number of known cases. Test less. But the correct way is still to test, track and treat. Test those at risk. Test those suspect. Never mind if the numbers look bad. The ultimate statistic that matters is only one - how many deaths. The more we test, the earlier we pick up the cases, the faster we track down the suspect asymptomatic cases, isolate them and treat them, the better our chances to save lives. High detection, low fatality must certainly be better than low detection and high fatality. Low detection does not equate to low incidences. Foreign Workers What is the ultimate test if we have taken care of our FWs? It is not about whether we have lived up to someone’s expectations of what their standard of living should be. Neither is it how far or close they are to our living standards. The ultimate vote belongs to our FWs themselves. Would they rather be here or somewhere else? Would they recommend their friends to work here? The singular achievement by MOM that has gone unnoticed is that when the orders came for 300k FWs to be isolated in their dorms, riots did not erupt on our streets. Instead, overnight, FWs still got paid, fed, access to medical and even entertainment. How many countries have taken responsibility for the well-being of their foreign workers? 300k FWs is equivalent to 2 Ang Mo Kio GRCs. Putting in place a new system to feed them, space them out and provide medical care within a few days cannot be done if the whole country’s resources have not been mobilised through a well oiled machinery. Yes, the measures are abrupt. Some employers are upset. Yes, the execution may not be the smoothest and most coordinated. Yes, the food could be better. But let us make no mistake what the first order issues are. If those first order issues of wages, food, medical and security have not been settled quickly and properly, we won’t be here today discussing issues of quality and standards. Now we have the basis to keep improving. Timing Should we have lock-downed everything earlier and in one decisive act? Closing down the economy is not a trifling matter. People lose their jobs and livelihoods with real implications on their survival. Shutting everything, even for weeks or months, affect the socio-psychological wellbeing of our people. Doing things in a rush without preparing our people progressively risk mass panic. When panic reigns, rationality and trust go out of the window. What many do not realise is that today we can talk about taking tighter measures because we have made progressive psychological adjustments and put in place systems to keep our economy and supply lines going without collapsing our society through panic. If we had timed the lock-down too early, it would not have been effective medically or sustainable. Neither would our system nor people be adequately prepared. The Long Haul When the tide is with us, prepare for the worst. When the tide is against us, do not be discouraged. The tide will rise and ebb. The ultimate victor will be the one who stand firm and true regardless.
No it’s not getting worse. No hospitals are being overwhelmed. There was never a shortage of ventilators and many countries that are not social distancing are having similar or less death rates then countries that are😉
Better yet; since it's a respiratory disease that has been in all the countries since LAST JANUARY, & not everyone can just swill beer & watch TV in the basement, STOP BREATHING.
I am reminded of a recent real-word example of how to lie with charts. There was a car ad that showed a graph with the reliability rates of their cars vs other brands. On the bar graph, their brand's bar was 2x as tall as their nearest competitor, and 4x as tall as their lowest competitor. Just looking at the bars, it looks like their brand is 2x more reliable. However, the devil is in the details; the bottom of the graph started at 96% and the top of the graph was 98%. That's right, when you look at the numbers on the graph, there was only a 2% difference between the highest and lowest carmaker on the chart, but the chart was deliberately drawn to make it appear as though the difference was massively larger.
i love that this video is not trying to push some agenda, it's just "here's a graph and here's what biases are in this graph, make your conclusions if you will"
I like biscuits?
Take note, Vox!
@@Johndoe-hr9si you seem unsure whether you do like biscuits - or perhaps applying a question mark confuses you.
@@Johndoe-hr9si what?
@Alberto Lezama Garcia what?
I don't even remember what we used to talk about before Coronavirus Pandemic
WW3
Iran
Corona preventing conflict ?
Ww3 and kobe
Brexit here in the UK, unfortunately.
I can’t say enough about the unrivaled quality of Vox’s video production, especially on a medium like TH-cam. Kudos to the team - I can tell a lot of work went into this.
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while working from home. Do they even need an office?
Why is there a badge by your name
@@vinbinjil now that's one big question. I am interested in that too. How can i have a badge like that?
@@vinbinjil If you hover over it it says that he's a channel member
All jokes aside this vid had a lot of effort behind it
Which jokes?
I thought all of this stuff was super obvious about these charts and I always figured it was common knowledge. I guess not.. :s
There's no joke dude
also, listen to how dope the sound design is. The video is a masterpiece.
wow you're so edgy on the internet impressive
The big question... the one that isn't reflected in those graphs or in this video is... how the heck did the animator do such an awesome job!?
The animation is great! I wish they had done a better explanation of log and exponential. It would be great with such great animation.
@@maxheadrom3088 , that's what most people study in high school ☺️ At least, outside of the US.
@@solderbuff I studied both in the US and outside (I'm from Brazil) and we do learn these things but, unfortunately, most people don't learn math because there's too much focus on the mechanics of it instead of on the logic. The mechanics are good for people who like it and will go into physics, engineering and the likes, but the logic is a "must learn thing" for everybody - just like people like me, who studied engineering, must learn history. I tried to explain what exponential is on a comment above - don't know if I manage do a good job, though. Check it out and leave a comment, please!
100%. Check out my vids. Not as good as this buy what do u think?
@@maxheadrom3088 check out the animations on my channel. Hope u like.
South Korea knows what's up... no surprise, they've been dealing with zombies since the dawn of time.
Can you explain more ?
@@rc010 He is talking about the Netflix show "Kingdom". It's a pretty good zombie tv show. ^^
@Niharika Tripathi "Train to Busan" is set in the modern era. Since he said dawn of time I thought it means it was set in an older era like the Joseon Dynasty in "Kingdom". I might be wrong...
@@jongsukchoi8526 nah you're right on, the guy who said train to busan obviously went there cause 1) Korea 2) zombies
@Daniel Shin 😂😂😂
“The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.” Albert A. Bartlett
😟
@Free World I haven't but some type of bug I think.
@Free World how is he gonna reply if he did delete it
@@JoeyG333 i think the comment still remains even tho a channel has been deleted
No, I haven't. This might be some bug.
There is probably millions more who have corona, but it doesn’t show cause some people can’t afford to take tests.
Often it's not about being able to afford taking tests but about being allowed and able to do so.
Yeah. Just as there may be tens of millions who have coronavirus particles in them, but they don't develop any symptoms, and their bodies just naturally fight off the virus without any outside interference.
The infection numbers now is just a small part of the final numbers that we can only study many years after we are done with the virus!
lol can't "afford", it always hits me to see that health care isn't free in all countries especially developed ones.
@@marks9127 not just that, but as the previous reply said, most people who are sick are not being allowed testing (at least in America) in addition to the probably 80% asymptomatic cases
What we learn after COVID-19: competent government is surprisingly needed.
No wonder socialism and communism doesn't work
And as a derivative lesson: competent government is rare
in fact, they're comptent too far... far more than peoples needs
yea who knew electing power-hungry buffoons to leadership was not wise? makes me despise politics even more
Silent Sahara Germany does the best Job they have 5000 deaths and they are all aged over 80
"This ain't no race but i still take first place"
-USA
Lol
Didn't you hear? Trump said since day one "America first."
to compair you have to use per population. We (USA) are next to lowest.
@@Pneuma40 huh where did you get that idea from? I don't know that was true even three weeks ago. Italy 3,800 per m, germany 2,000 per m, USA 5,000 per m
*According to johns hopkins
@@onetom2222 Let's see 5000 per million times 325 million is..... 1,625,000 deaths in USA ????? So you are not so good with math. If we get 90,000 deaths divided by 325 million population is 277 per million. Super low. Since we don't know how many have had the virus deaths per total pop is the only meaningful comparison...... try that on other nations and you see we have fared far better than any except Germany.
Some governments had more time than others... yet did nothing!
They're exempt, doncha know?
Yep... We can all blame China for acting slowly, but some counties had months to prepare and only started lockdowns weeks after the first confirmed cases. We should have learned, we had more time and there was already a lot of knowledge and experience out there by February and March. Sigh.
And he stated he knew the virus than anybody.
Couldn't explain Indonesia better
@@sulationyang3437 Let me guess: the one who knows everything in the Universe better than anyone else?
I honestly feel like a lot of people could have the corona virus however aren’t getting tested because they aren’t showing symptoms.
Reky Aly you would know if you had it at least 1-2 people in your family will show symptoms 😂
In epidemiology normally you could multiply the number by 3, and them you're going to have some factive numbers to work.
Reky Aly You think? Brilliant.
rolback seriously he must think he’s the first person who’s had this thought
Some people show symptoms but aren’t tested for various reasons.
Basically be careful reading graphs that are more intended for experts to interpret rather than the average person!
Or listen to the experts when they explain the graph also like the report said
4:29 time was a crucial factor
I'm not sure the onus should fall wholly on the public. Media outlets bear some responsibility. If a graph has potential to mislead, are there ways they report the story better? Critical thinking is important but responsibility needs to fall on both parties (the consumer AND the creator)
The problem with graphs is that it isn't something normal people are used to interpreting. It looks easy, and that's the whole point of graphs, to be easy to see things. If you know how to read graphs, you don't need to be an expert in the field to understand what it all means. However, if you don't know how, you'll be easily mistaken, blinded or mislead by those that try to tell you what it is and lie to you about, which is something media could EASILY do.
"I didn't read the graph wrong, the graph lied!" /s
It is very impressive to see how South Korea has flatten the curve even WITHOUT lockdown
Y.S Lee actually, if you check the number of actual cases, it’s very sharp, they forced the virus down, so the curve is not flatter, just smaller, which might come back to hurt in the second wawe.
Until you see Vietnam
Tamás Csizmadia not true
@ Depends also on which curve one talks about. The actual curve to flatten in the expected bell curve of cases. Flatting it means slowing down infection rate. Not stopping it. (Though if you did manage to stop it completely then it would of course flatten the curve to). And this is so that the healthcare system can cope with the situation. South Korea have been pretty good at slowing down the rate. So they have actually flatten the curve. Even in a country like US which has a lot of issues with how it handles the corona virus there have been some flatting of the curve thanks to measures taken. Though acting faster would have helped a lot. In the end every little bit helps.
@ A second wave may hit them but they are prepared for sure. They will stop the spread as fast as possible so their situation won't be like in the European countries and USA.
“Some governments had more time than others”. Well unfortunately that some government still isn’t ready to face the fact and tries to blame other governments
Having more time to prepare for a pandemic always helps, when another authoritarian country (China) tries hiding cases it makes it difficult for others (literally every other country) to prepare and know what to expect. Also to prepare hospital beds and testing.
Ottrzzz So that's the reason why after POTUS travel ban China and Wuhan shutdown the cities in February, our government still cannot realize how bad is the situation by issues the lockdown earlier? Or they cannot issues the lockdown because they need some extra time to sell their stock?
Ottrzzz China shared information to US CDC in early January. Wuhan started lockdown in late January and US banned Chinese travels immediately. It seems that US government realized the problem very early in the game but then did nothing in the following two months except the travel ban. And for your information China didn’t know exactly what it was. There’re many virus discovered every day, so you can’t disclose every virus. It would be impossible and that’s not how it works. We’re just starting to know about the viruse now.
Huang Li Trump did not travel ban China in February he travel banned China in early March. The reason why is because he was not getting much support from the left to travel ban and was getting called names such as a “xenophobe”or “racist”. Plus I live in the US and I can say no one expected how quickly the pandemic would spread among in the US. I do think if China gave us more information about the virus we would have been better off about handling the virus. We did not learn the exact death rate and infection rate until it came to other countries and in the US.
Will W Why did China share information early January when they noticed “mysterious pneumonia” cases in November? By January a modern nation like China should have enough experience with the virus to be able to tell what virus it is. China also did their best to silence every doctor who tried to spread more information about the virus and the WHO just let that one slide. The US did not ban immediately they started the travel ban in March because Trump wasn’t getting support from the left. I’m not blaming the left because there’s no party to blame no one would have expected the turnout of the virus. Lastly we would already know about the virus by now instead of learning about the virus if we had better information about the virus we wouldn’t be in this bad of a situation.
Underdeveloped countries be like : NO KITS, NO TEST, NO CORONA .
This is sad , where are you from mate ?
Inb4 the "5g conspiracy"
meanwhile in US : Let's go out get infected and overload the medical system!
Indonesia on first 3 weeks of march was like
@@FikriKawakibi ikr ahahhaha
Governments should show the linear scales to *scare* people back into their homes.
PHCuber Hey, another cuber!
I'm not really pro-scaring people clear messaging might be better
Yeah that should help a bit more to put people back into their homes
Andrew Tyberg hey! I saw you somewhere else hahaha
those might also give the impression that lockdowns are not working so it might have the opposite effect.
every other countries: (Going up)
South Korea at 10,000: Yep, I'm gonna stay righttttt hereeeee
Australia, Taiwan, New Zealand...
@@andrecoxa islands who locked borders. Korea is also kind of an island but their borders have been and still is open.
In fact, South Korea is NOT totally open, but with different restriction: "Effective April 13, 2020, citizens of countries that restricted visa-free travel for South Koreans will not be allowed visa-free travel in South Korea. Visas issued on or before 5 April are invalidated."
@@taiundoo8435 Correct me if I'm wrong: besides Taiwan, Korea is also densely populated overall with high public transportation usage such as the metro, bus, and taxi.
I think Vietnam is the winner here. Less than 300 cases with 0 deaths (first case since January), right next to China with a population of almost 100 million, their country is even smaller than California. Who would have thought a densely populated third world country with not much quality infrastructure and healthcare system could contain the virus? They are even one of the first countries to successfully develop a quick test kit in February which is confirmed by WHO and is currently exporting and donating kits to other countries. That's not to include that a portion of the population don't have access to proper Internet or cable television, yet they still manage to get almost everyone to follow the rule.
Can we take a moment and appreciate how good this video is?
Agree 👍. Would like to get your comments on my vids
It's very unfortunate that we can't follow South Korean model even if you want. They've never locked down any city so far with 51M population, but managed almost perfectly. Here in Canada, we surpassed way higher with 37M population. Lock down has been nearly two months by now.
You NEED to test the way S Korea did if you don't want lockdown. Also, Canada is a LOT bigger than. S Korea so that would be harder to coordinate.
It would be nice though.
Never locked down in South Korea? Umm, the city of Daegu would like a word with you.
Daegu called, said your facts were wrong.
@@gqn2 no, you just insist. There was apartment building locked down but never city wise. They always traveled freely so far. Show me any proof, at least any article please?
@@darkowl9 ??? I don't know where u get that informatiom from, but Daegu has never been in a lockdown. I apparently live there so i can assure u that. We were "advised" to stay home but it was never a "mandatory", the shops and companies were always oppened till now.
And these are just confirmed cases - many cases are unconfirmed. Then, there's asymptomatic carriers.
and this is the most worrying fact.
But also, all doctors in the USA were told to write off any deaths as coronavirus, so if someone died in a car accident it'll be on their record as a Covid-19 death. I don't trust any of those cases and death numbers.
@@Canleaf08 if there are far more cases in reality than positive tests, it's far more good than it is bad. It means the fatality rate of the virus is lower than the real numbers imply and it means the virus will start spreading more slowly sooner as there are fewer people to infect.
CanadianMapleLeaf01 no it’s not. It’s comforting. It means that the death rate is very very low. In fact antibody testing has shown its 300x more infectious but only has a .1% death rate. Including all those who have somthing in addition to covid like cancer, respiratory failure, cystic fibrosis, diabetes, asthma, Etc.
Iceland has 50% as per their survey. It is strangly high. China is doing survey and tracking as well. Which come about 2% for now.
Never thought I’d say this:
I actually miss talking about brexit...
brekfest
Totally forgot about it
It’s like it’s been years since anyone talked about brexit
And 2016 was a great year! I can say that with confidence.
With you on that one mate 😂
I never noticed the Log scale. That means everything that looks linear, is actually more exponential. That explains a lot....
Not "more" exponential, just exponential
I hadn’t either. Good video
A•X means X^A
Easy to get it
Both have their flaws, but both explain things better in their own separate ways as well.
Japan on day 1 of Corona: I sleep
Day 30: I sleep
After their Olympics game was delayed: It's rona tiiiime
@Bryan Robinson haha!!
🤣🤣
That's hilarious, dude
Amazing how many people act like they have a clue what they’re talking about, with no medical, statistical, or even basic science experience. That may be the most frightening aspect of this. What’s worse, is how many people go further and start lecturing others, with such a nauseatingly pejorative attitude.
What's an example?
@@otherlen4917 Well, in my opinion 5G destriys your immune system, so increasing your chances of dying of covid-19 if you catch it.
Yeah, some people's attitudes are very dismissive and nauseating.
Love is the most powerful force in the Universe that tells you just how powerful these conspiracy theories can be
@@loveisthemostpowerfulforce1397 religion.
Seeing these comments with “1 year ago” attached instead of “4 months ago” or “9 months ago” really shows how long we’ve been through this.
Australia and New Zealand have flattened the curve so congrats to us
The top four countries in handling virus
1. Taiwan
2. South Korea
3. New Zealand
4. Australia
Nice! Good gob! I hope the other nations will become stable too.
Schismatic Sci Now honestly I think China should be on the list for effective handling,I know I know it’s not the most humane or “democratic” or free way of doing it but it worked. 2 months and everyone is already back to work. The government might be down playing but the truth is the curve has been flattened in early April no matter how you look at it and even if the numbers are triple or 10 times as large,its a fact that they flattened the curve the fastest.
South korea have done it without any lockdown so there goes plus point
Singapore.. Hong Kong..
If we use Bonferroni correction we can flatten the curve within minutes.
*Laughs in statistics*
I used Beefaroni correction and was eating within minutes.
This is certainly an outlier joke.
following this thread for more significant jokes
Somebody, please explain.
Only those who understand statistics can understand
South Koreans collectively have a uniquely different mindset about everything, which was amazingly well suited to deal with this problem. What they did with tracking down known (+) patients and hunting down their previous contacts, posting that information publically so literally anybody could track their movement on their phones to avoid the buses, subways, and other public places they have been, etc - that stuff will not only majorly violate HIPAA but the majority of free spirited Americans will never be okay with that level of close monitoring from the government
Contact tracing is retroactive tracing with existing surveillance records, not tracking in realtime. If this was not an emergency, prosecutors may access them given a search warrant anyway. The South Korean law just gives KCDC a temporary blanket search warrant to access them during an outbreak.
And if you surveyed the most trustworthy one among all government agencies, institutes, constitutional authorities, and civic groups in South Korea, KCDC would score the uncomparable top at the moment, whereas the prosecutor's office and the court would belong to the bottom group. KCDC have been competent and transparent in every aspect and citizens trust them for protecting their family members and themselves.
BTW, those information is strictly anonymous. We still don't know who the famous patient #31 is.
@@robobeg thanks for the insightful elaboration! very helpful information.
I don’t get why everyone talks like the pandemic started in March. But in reality it started in January/December and the us and Europe acted late by not closing their borders earlier.
the thing is that the us and europe closed their border to china but didnt close the borders to each other. Thats why cases in the us in Feb-Mar are largely caused by infected persons from europe.
Closing borders is not a popular topic on a vox article. Heavy criticism at the time from vox and their readership and they still cant admit it was right or give credit.
yea the thing is this virus is undiscoverable until someone go check it in a hospital with a decent lab for examination cause symptoms are really close to a flu, so the virus got a free ride for at least a month or two before been discovered in China
That's true. Unfortunately, most countries outside of China dismissed it early on. Just look at the WHO - in mid-January when the Chinese national government first learned of the outbreak (it was the local government in Wuhan that suppressed knowledge of the virus), the first thing they did was invite the WHO to come to Wuhan. The WHO stated at the time that it was a "China-only" problem and then left. Later they did change their position, but still initially dismissed it. Fast forward a bit to when the whole of Hubei, especially Wuhan, was completely locked down and quarantined (yes, the rest of China was under lockdown, but Wuhan had the strongest lockdown in place). The US (they were the first ones, but many other nations followed suit) insisted that they "evacuate" their citizens out of Wuhan, thereby breaking the quarantine. As stated, other nations followed suit, and in fact, the outbreak in Iran can be directly connected to this incident. Two students who were "evacuated", upon returning to Iran, went to the city of Qom to pray. That city became the epicenter of the outbreak there. I've heard numerous reports of a lack of protection against contamination, poor handling of the situation, etc. from the US government initially. This, coupled with faulty testing kits allowed the virus to spread so heavily in the US.
Kody Wong Taiwan even wrote a letter to WHO 12/31 warning them about human to human contact, but the WHO ignored us of course. :) Now, Taiwan is one of the safest/most normal countries in the world during this pandemic. We didn’t listen to WHO and didn’t trust China, and we are better off!
It makes sense to display data in a variety of different ways to approach a problem from different angles. You can see things that might not have been as evident in a different graph. Sharing multiple graphs with all the context behind them, how to read them, and what they might suggest isn't as easy as sharing one chart on social media. Taking the time to explain how to read these charts and what they say in an easy to digest way is a good way to further the public's understanding of the data being presented to it. Nice work, really liked this video.
mattbell888 ok
"Look at this graph."
-Nickelback
You almost had gold "Look at this Coronagraph"
@@lodrbyroni or COVIDgraph to maintain the syllables.
The point about Japan is sooo true.
Yeah just completely ignore the fact that Japan screens patients before PCR tests with its abundant availability of CT/MRI scanners. It tells how much Vox either doesn't research, or intentionally hides key facts for some reason.
And now Japan is one of the most successful country at protecting their citizens from deaths lol.
@@tigeriontigerion9112 ..and that *despite* less restrictions than most countries
Hmm.. according to Japanese precision, China must be the most successful country in the world dealing with COVID-19 according to their infection rate compared with total population :/
@@Kaspersky772
The number of cases doesn't matter lol.
Just the number of deaths does matter.
And Japan hide nothing unlike China.
Graphs are like maps. Distortions are use to emphasize or obscured some features/data. It's important to strike a balance or use complementary graphs too.
A model cannot fully replicate reality. If it could, it would become reality.
Or just prepare different graphs and place them together for comparison. That way you get a better understanding of what to do.
Yes! I had no idea it was a Log proportion on Y.
You do know on a log graph "the curve will still flatten" even if the growth rate remain the same?
There is not balance to speak here.
@@AaronShenghao But not everyone knows how a log graph works. So, the balance that graphs make is trying to make a point (disease exponential growth) and the viewer's understanding.
This is actually really important. We need to remember what we are looking at to understand the full picture about Corona. And *some* people are not doing that.
When you say "we", I think it's important to hold both ourselves as critical thinkers AND the content providers accountable. Media outlets bear some responsibility. If a graph has potential to mislead, are there ways they report the story better? Critical thinking is important but responsibility needs to fall on both parties (the consumer AND the creator)
Well so much ppl just comment ignorant of what the content is😂
as soon as i saw this chart i was dubious- 100, 1,000, 10,000, and 100,000 all spaced the same distance apart? as dsngerously midleading as those models of the solar system with all the planets spaced out evenly and closely to the sun.
@@hyteenju304 My question is - are we to blame those ignorant people for being ignorant. Put another way - WHY does it appear that there are so many ignorant people? And what can be done to reduce the level of ignorance?
@@MaxMckayful Well, as far as I see, ppl who subscribe to channel like this are more likely to be more logical. I have try to use all kinds of ways to tell ppl what newest reserch is and where you can find them, but it seems really hard. One's idea are so deeply influenced by education, nation, background that it can only be influence bit by bit, better in their own way.
finally I’m using algebra 2 and ap statistics in real life!
@Mdmchannel Openstax has a few free textbooks on statistics. I wouldn't say go read them front to back, but they're good as a reference.
I commented this on your South Korea video 2 weeks ago, glad you’re informing people on it!
Countries with a late outbreak have more time to prepare, but unfortunately the government's ability to act is more critical.
UK US erupted late, but the situation was grim.
No, them starting late only means they had more time to prepare and learn from past countries(but often didn't.) It doesn't mean anything else, certainly no excuses. Down with America.
yeah but yet again.... it been 4 months so whoever sick should either died or not much worry about this thing now... however still need to stay clean not looking for it.
They're counting non covid related deaths as Covid deaths in the USA. Same in other countries as well, don't believe the inflated numbers.
Grim? This is just a bad flu season when you look at the data the only difference is one has a cure and the other doesn’t
Maneo Choudhury if the American healthcare is so bad why does the US have a lower mortality rate per 100,000 compared to other countries?
From 4:09 the sound design is just perfect. The tiny little explosions that can be heard in the background with every new country coming up onto the list just brings out the epic proportion of the disease! Kudos to Team VOX!
Pakistan has a steep curve despite low testing. So we're doomed either way.
I'm not!
Prime minister Imran khan is so afraid to tabligh jamaah to close masjid during ramadhan.. You know what happens when people get doctrine by they preacher said *do you afraid Allah or afraid corona* ? And they also brave to say to *get shot and hanged* if one of them gets infected by the corona virus after gathering in the masjid. What would happen if they go to street and protest.
I hope they close masjid and another place who will gather lots of people in. Or the second wave for Pakistan would be severe . Good luck pakistan 😞👍
PKMKB for a reason
You so right on this one
To be fair , people are animals after all. They need to be scared, to be shown the real information and understand the situation. In the US there are protests to open the country and in my own country, people go to parks and to the supermarkets without a mask. Why chill out when we still are in a crisis?
Vladdie the laddie Completely agree. The people who are protesting to reopen call scientific information “scare tactics” because they refuse to acknowledge that the situation is bad, and it’s scary, and we should all be worried
@@justanotheruser2611 It is not okay when they go around infecting other innocent people and make things extremely difficult to trace/predict, possibly extend the lockdown indefinitely.
China, Hongkong, Taiwan were scared by SARS 17 years ago, so they know the potential danger is there. Unfortunately, Spain flu pandemic is too far ago for US
Not everyone's as hysterical as you, vladdie. I suppose you never had a problem when 500,000 - 600,000 (children also) were dying every year due to flu and are still are blissfully unaware of that fact. I know dozens of people that were having symptoms in the UK around Christmas time, my family included. Don't be fooled into thinking that the virus just started spreading when the testing started. It's been around for a while and many people have already caught it and survived. I realise the dangers and precautions need to be taken but, stopping the economy is not a way of protecting the people, instead it's putting everyone at risk. In the UK, we need people to work to fund/support the health service. Without it, the NHS will not survive and will have to be privatised, meaning the poor won't be able to use it anymore.
@@ireissistable all right. Tell me when you achieve herd immunity
Nobody :
South Korea in charts:
You know what, imma vibe over here.
Mathematicians would be happy now.
they will be mad i think ,because in most countries the samples are not representative and they dont have a clear view of what is happening and they want to re open economies without knowing 100% whats happenig.They experiment on us
@@georgephotoworld agreed. As a mathematician, I appreciate how this video explains the flaws of these curves, but I also can't stand that these curves even exist. There are just too many variables to accurately compare how each country is faring in the problem. Comparing a country like S. Korea to the USA is simply top complex to accurately gauge success.
Economists/Econometricians as well
@@adrianmagtoto9775 they are in psychatrists already
Buzz lightyear: To infinity and beyond
USA: Hold my graph
LoL! Good one 👍... tragedy, in fact.
The Japanese government has decided to send the public two masks (the public receives only two masks for compensation). The cost was 46.6 billion yen. However, when I actually checked it, it was 9 billion yen. Politicians are trying to make money with the lives of their people. Disappointed.
*It doesn’t help when your leader calls it a Hoax.*
-- some gov. had more time than others...
@M M You never seem World War Z?
Those numbers from China seem legitimate...
A reminder to wash your hands for 20 seconds.
Thank you!
Sing Happy Birthday twice or the ABCs! If you have young kids, this could be a good and easy way to teach them these songs!
I’m afraid Africa is doing really bad because of the lack of testing and medical capacity...
The positive side is africa has a much younger population compare to more developed continents
@@jtw10192 that is not really relevant as it turns out young people are dropping like flys in North America. And kids are starting occupying ICU in Europe as well. So, the fatality rate for young and old population might now be as significant as we would like to see.
@@林振华-t4v dropping like flies? 🤣 My wife had it already. It does hit harder than the Flu but never once did she need hospitalization. All they did at the hospital was advise she self quarantined for 14 days and that it will pass. And it sure did. There are also cases of 90+ year olds "surviving" COVID-19, several cases in the US and other in Spain. If a 90 year old can survive, who is suppose to be the ones that shouldn't, then as I have seen personally, it isn't as bad as they make it out to be. Sure, you do feel like you have the Flu but stronger and last more than a week, but not anywhere close as to what the media is making out to be.
@@oyaml1211 no way she didn't need hospitalization, maybe she wasn't postive lol
@@jtw10192 That does not help.. Just because people are young, corona virus does not just go away;;
Korea had no lockdown btw
But it had mass testing and contact tracing, unlike other countries.
They also had a large stockpile of masks. And people were accustomed to wearing them thanks to MERS and SARS.
That1PlaceBehindTheBush that is half true half false Koreans usually wear masks to protect themselves from microscopic dust that flew from china.
Edit: and a lot of the stockpile ran out at the beginning of coved-19, because the korean government sent masks to china. But all this is useless information I think..
Look at size of Korea first
Jie Su what do you mean?
Underdeveloped countries: *plays coffin dance song*
As someone living in an underdeveloped country, this is sadly true
Thing is that underdeveloped countries aren't having a high percentage of deaths as claimed by the first world countries. Wonder why? It should be that those underdeveloped countries should have people dying left and right but they aren't. Nicaragua for example has very few cases, no precautions at all and only 4 deaths since March. If it's so deadly, Nicaragua should have deaths in the hundreds of thousands already, not just 4.
Mario L so your saying they have low cases right?
Update: The developed country/s are the ones playing the coffin dance
COVID has prevented me from landing a full time job in my college major.
I don't know if I should give a like or not. I'm sorry for u.
Your visuals made this topic so accessible. The narration, structure and animation were very helpful. Thank you again for a well made, informative video!
East Asian countries: had the least time, had no complaints, had it control
US:
And yet Britain and the US like to play the blame game. Trump wants to find a scapegoat before the election.
South Korea and the US had the 1st case on the same day, why are they saying otherwise?
Nah us had the first case a day before actully.
@Natalie Mayo us never had 100 cases untill it started testing a lot more ppl. Thats y it took so long to reach that many. By the time south korea reached 100, all the countries had that many too. They just didnt test early enough
@M Detlef if the 1st case was on the same day, why would the 100th case be so much later in the US? sure we weren't testing back then, but we still had the 100th case around the same time, unless it miraculously doesn't spread at the same rate in America
@@emrazum There was indeed 100th case in US, probably around the same time or even earlier than Korea, but it was DETECTED much later in US. That's the date shown on the graph.
So the 'actual' 100th case is not the same person as 'recorded' 100th case.
@@emrazum Its cuz according to doctor trump, 15 cases mean it will be zero soon so we didnt test or take any actions earlier.
The production quality in this video clip is so good, that its a crime we are not paying for this. Nice one VOX!
For those that have done many presentations over the years, we all know how to display data to our advantage.
It would be interesting to see a chart of confirmed cases divided by number of tests and population.
Exactly. How many people in each country are getting tested?
Here they always show how many have been tested and how many are negative (cumulative numbers) along with tracing people who almost made contact with the confirmed (you can be positive without any symptoms) and people with symptoms (this one usually get swab-tested for an accurate result) the only problem is the teamwork between local government and their people
It would be difficult. e.g. the Japanese government doesn't announce how many tests it does.
Yes. Some chart has to show how much % of people in each country are getting tested.
china didnt give any test case numbers. USA did on avg 200k tests per day. Thats why you need to look at the graph for the TestCase/ConfirmedCase .
Very informative but I disagree with one thing, all governments had the exact same time from when the news about the virus broke. The statement should say “some governments chose to act and others chose not to”. The whole world found out about the virus together - most countries decided to ignore it/avoid strong action until it couldn’t be avoided anymore. That’s what’s made the difference.
If it is linear chart, USA will be too high to be see how many cased , and the other countries' data will be too small to see.
"And that's especially true for lower-income countries"
*Indonesia's confirmed cases showed up*
Me: I can confirm that
@@yeeyee2789 isn't this normal?
@@yeeyee2789 From The Sound of Music: "Me, a name I call myself...."
This video ends on a stark note. "We have to remember some governments have more time than others..."
New Zealand has more time and unlike some countries......
Taiwan had less time and unlike the others....
And another example
Brazil it's in a total chaos and the president still denies how bad the situation is.
The coronavirus doesn't effect me . I have the power of being alone and crying!
Love you, Craig!
Nice.
Btw it's affect
Same
Gotta love that profile picture
Affect
I just have one question. Why didn’t Trump just copy South Korea’s testing method? It worked and I’m sure we could use it at a larger scale 🤷🏾♂️
He is a politician. Not a doctor. What he does is politics. Not a management. What he is interested in is Vote-care. Not a health-care.
Because the fewer you test, the better it looks. See China. They dont have ANY? Um. No, not buying that.
Ezekiel Bell Testing is done on a state by state basis, it’s likely that a lot of the governors were caught unprepared
1) 330 million vs 50 million - That is a big deal. It's not as simple as getting 7 times as many kits and opening 7 times as many labs. There is so much more in terms of logistics and bureaucracy that clutter the efficiency of a roll out that big.
2) The CDC took longer to get testing protocols in place, then there was accuracy and supply issues to boot. The biggest reason for SK's success was the early testing.
3) I think it's also safe to assume that South Korea was preparing for such an event for some time now. Being so close to the viral cesspool that is China, they needed to be ready to act quickly. Meanwhile the US has been ignoring this threat for decades. It is plainly obvious that this country did not have a plan in place and we are literally making things up as we go. A month into this event and the fact that states are finally creating safe workplace/business mandates is all the proof you need to understand that we were not prepared to act. Had proper preparations been made, more people could have been at work safely this whole time. Instead of throwing a blanket over everyone and closing all "non-essential" businesses, we could have kept low exposure businesses open providing they took the proper measures.
because American's ego comes first.
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We won't ever gain a true understanding of the scope of this thing until we start testing _everyone,_ not just people showing symptoms. Research from Spain and South Korea, now being corroborated by other countries including the US, suggests that anywhere between 60% and 90% of cases are completely asymptomatic, so since testing is currently being done mostly on those showing symptoms, it's likely the actual numbers can be anywhere from five to ten times higher. Fortunately, this does carry a couple of pieces of good news should it prove to be true: the virus isn't nearly as deadly as first thought, and the reason cases are leveling off is mainly because the virus is running out of viable hosts to infect. But of course, we won't know any of this for certain if we keep restricting tests to the visibly ill.
You're right, some people have the virus and can transmit it without showing any symptoms, but testing everyone is easy to be said but nearly impossible to be made, i hope people take more precautions and stay home.
It’s mostly asymptomatic because a large portion of those who show symptoms were arrested and quarantined.
I wouldn’t consider this good news, because it means that the virus has already adapted to our containment strategy, it became more elusive.
Vox: "some countries have more time than others"
Trump: "It's just a hoax"😂
Impeachment stopped never stopped Trump.
You had time to go to India and for the March For Life Rally but none for a pandemic?
Kerala was prepared since the Nipah Virus in 2018. Guess where they're right now.
At this point it's clear that the Republican party has some sort of persecution complex. The only "enemies" they see are their fellow Americans who disagree with them, while real enemies like Russia, and this time, the virus, can get a pass from them.
China: nah we don't have any covid here.
Usa: We neen to flatten the graph... Vertically!Σ(ﾟдﾟ;)
*Imagine your friend saying that he'll bring some Corona to the party but arrives empty handed.*
Lol better get dafuq out lol
Animator Joss Fong... wow! This deserves an award!!! Thanks to you and all the team for putting this together.
처음부터 일본이랑 비교해주니 기분 좋네요.
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ㄹㅇㅋㅋ 일본 공개 총살 속이 뻥~뚫립니다. 이야~ 이런 채널이 잇다니 ㄷㄷ
I can’t believe that it’s only been a few months since the Australia and Amazon fires started and everyone’s forgotten those.
Apparently "people" are the most important thing to "people", not the forest.
And the Left were preoccupied with Impeachment.
Vox teaches me more about the virus than the news channels.
Only if no country is hiding its data, the charts are referable
No, it also depends on the level of testing - if they didn't test enough like Italy, if it is poor country like Ecuador or if the tests didn't work like in the US.
@@Diamonddavej that applies when the test kits aren't enough, but governments can really play that trick and deliberately pressing down the level of testing.
i showed this vid to my teacher when we were doing the misrepresenting data unit so I got a really good mark, thanks vox
Ah... Japan wanted the Olympics so bad that the test weren't even available. Now they are in big trouble.
Doing the charts in a log style also helps to reduce panic in people. But I wonder if the graphs were presented conventionally - if more people would be taking this seriously and staying home.
Intent is a really interesting question here. What can happen sometimes is a chart meant for experts is picked up by the media and shown to the public. The public should not be expected to look at a technical chart and fully understand the nuance. Is there a better chart to show them? Do we just not show a chart at all? I don't want to wholly blame reporters either, because rapidly trying to understand a complex topic is tough for everyone. But .... we can and should do better as much as possible.
How does an upward-trending line and a y-axis that multiplies by 10 every interval reduce panic?
The log scale doesn't make much sense to me. All it does is flatten the curve the worse it gets. Why not just plot the number of cases / the number of tests on the y axis? That way the numbers are normalized. (While plotting days since the virus on the x axis and keeping both axes linear). And if we really need to see how the curve changed in the first few days, make it animated so that the axes zoom out over time.
Though I guess I already know the answer to "why not?"... we'd need to actually know the number of tests performed. And not all countries revealed that data.
Sharon Lougheed same reason why we use log scales for earthquakes, pH and pretty much everything else where numbers grow really big really quickly. Linear scale only shows that its getting very big, but it is not useful for other purposes, such as seeing growth rates, long term trends and estimating effectiveness of measures. Remember, outbreaks grow exponentially not linearly hence the logarithmic scale.
To put it in your words, it makes little sense to plot a logarithmic phenomenon on a linear scale just as how plotting a linear phenomenon like someone’s age on a logarithmic scale makes little sense (unless you’re an elf ;) )
@@takatamiyagawa5688 Visually easier to takein
The most important fact that they didn’t even discuss was that getting corona is not a death sentence. The graph should reflect the deaths or people needing to be put on a ventilator.
Aaron Anderson shhhhhhhhhh the media doesn’t want to show that data because it really isn’t that deadly to your average Joe. It’s a bad flu season with no vaccine pretty much
my mom before corona epidemic : stay away from negative people
my mom now : stay away from positive people
I like that we don't rate, despite having slightly less cases than South Korea. We're hidden in the faded countries at 0:13 but nowhere else. --Australia
Japan tried to save the Olympic Games and ended up risking their own people
Jun but its fatality rate of the virus is still lower than any counterparts
@Daniel Shin plus who knows how many people had the virus and died because of it but was not included
Daniel Shin it’s a lie. you don’t have any source to show it. Other countries also sometimes dismiss the isolated case at home, but it doesn’t mean the number is structurally manipulated.
Lu Up I know the news, but surprisingly their sample funeral director is just one. some funeral directors say the number isn’t different from the annual average. the news is too uncertain to confirm.
Daniel Shin Japan doesn’t care about the neighbors’ rumors and reputation. It’s completely out of their mind. Their top priority isn’t subject to the irresponsible rumors or skeptical WHO’s standards but to save a life of japanese. Don’t get involved in your worthless defamation.
Vox videos are so well made and edited. Well done.
Thank you for this explanation. It is really confusing for lay people to get this and sometimes ends up misininterpreting the data thus being counterproductive :-/
I really don't recommend watching Vox, they obviously try to make it as dramatic as possible - it's their best way of making money. Vox refuses to show the percentage of death rates within people who have the virus, because it's really, really low in comparison to other viruses.
Vox's content gives me the proper understanding for the things I see on the news.
You guys are great.
We seriously need to appreciate the quality they put into such small videos. It's off the charts.
(did you see what i did there?). But seriously, great job guys. Your team is amazingly talented.
The karens wanting to reopen would look at the log graph as if it was a normal graph
Vox should have a tutorial on how they do these videos with such quality, it's really impressive.
Honestly, some coverage on how leading media networks do their fact checking and research would be a very interesting video, especially compared to less reputable sources like Breitbart.
Im from Singapore and this is from our Government
A Sense of Perspective
Are we embarrassed by Singapore having the highest number of known COVID-19 cases in SE Asia?
Are we embarrassed by the foreign workers situation?
Are we asking why didn’t we put in place all the current measures earlier?
If your answers are yes to all the above, then read on.
Numbers
Having the highest number of known cases in SEA does not tell us whether Singapore has lost or won the fight.
This is not the first time that Singapore has the highest number of known cases in Southeast Asia for this long COVID-19 battle. It may also not be the last.
There is a sure way to bring down the number of known cases. Test less.
But the correct way is still to test, track and treat. Test those at risk. Test those suspect. Never mind if the numbers look bad. The ultimate statistic that matters is only one - how many deaths.
The more we test, the earlier we pick up the cases, the faster we track down the suspect asymptomatic cases, isolate them and treat them, the better our chances to save lives.
High detection, low fatality must certainly be better than low detection and high fatality. Low detection does not equate to low incidences.
Foreign Workers
What is the ultimate test if we have taken care of our FWs?
It is not about whether we have lived up to someone’s expectations of what their standard of living should be. Neither is it how far or close they are to our living standards.
The ultimate vote belongs to our FWs themselves. Would they rather be here or somewhere else? Would they recommend their friends to work here?
The singular achievement by MOM that has gone unnoticed is that when the orders came for 300k FWs to be isolated in their dorms, riots did not erupt on our streets. Instead, overnight, FWs still got paid, fed, access to medical and even entertainment. How many countries have taken responsibility for the well-being of their foreign workers?
300k FWs is equivalent to 2 Ang Mo Kio GRCs. Putting in place a new system to feed them, space them out and provide medical care within a few days cannot be done if the whole country’s resources have not been mobilised through a well oiled machinery.
Yes, the measures are abrupt. Some employers are upset.
Yes, the execution may not be the smoothest and most coordinated.
Yes, the food could be better.
But let us make no mistake what the first order issues are. If those first order issues of wages, food, medical and security have not been settled quickly and properly, we won’t be here today discussing issues of quality and standards. Now we have the basis to keep improving.
Timing
Should we have lock-downed everything earlier and in one decisive act?
Closing down the economy is not a trifling matter. People lose their jobs and livelihoods with real implications on their survival.
Shutting everything, even for weeks or months, affect the socio-psychological wellbeing of our people.
Doing things in a rush without preparing our people progressively risk mass panic. When panic reigns, rationality and trust go out of the window.
What many do not realise is that today we can talk about taking tighter measures because we have made progressive psychological adjustments and put in place systems to keep our economy and supply lines going without collapsing our society through panic.
If we had timed the lock-down too early, it would not have been effective medically or sustainable. Neither would our system nor people be adequately prepared.
The Long Haul
When the tide is with us, prepare for the worst.
When the tide is against us, do not be discouraged.
The tide will rise and ebb.
The ultimate victor will be the one who stand firm and true regardless.
ShiJie 12311 , wow 😯
Great read, thanks 🙏 from the UK
"It's only getting worse, lets' open the country!"
Yup can stay home if you'd like
mmmcfly100 probably Tmant321 has no life and stays home anyway.
No it’s not getting worse. No hospitals are being overwhelmed. There was never a shortage of ventilators and many countries that are not social distancing are having similar or less death rates then countries that are😉
You can stay home if you are too afraid. For all we care stay home till the end of 2021 or possibly 2022 just to make sure you won't get the virus.
Better yet; since it's a respiratory disease that has been in all the countries since LAST JANUARY, & not everyone can just swill beer & watch TV in the basement, STOP BREATHING.
Amazing, this is a wonderful job! I was seeing this chart everywhere and noe it's much clearer :)
I am reminded of a recent real-word example of how to lie with charts. There was a car ad that showed a graph with the reliability rates of their cars vs other brands. On the bar graph, their brand's bar was 2x as tall as their nearest competitor, and 4x as tall as their lowest competitor. Just looking at the bars, it looks like their brand is 2x more reliable. However, the devil is in the details; the bottom of the graph started at 96% and the top of the graph was 98%. That's right, when you look at the numbers on the graph, there was only a 2% difference between the highest and lowest carmaker on the chart, but the chart was deliberately drawn to make it appear as though the difference was massively larger.
0:25 Well no dip Sherlock, this is how North Korea for the longest time claimed to have "0 cases"
Lol
They don't have travel.
@@paxundpeace9970 Actually, some people are allowed to travel, plus China and South Korea are big hotspots for the virus so...
@@paxundpeace9970 Also, it is airborne and North Korea has mostly bad hygiene, and bad living conditions.
@@MichaelWite19 but it didn't fly about big distances expect in aircrafts.
Should be titled as
"How you might be misreading the Charts."
vox is really doing a grear job visually. very easy to understand.
Remember me when this is viral
I'll forget this comment within an hour.
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, THANK YOU, VOX
I forgot when was the last time Vox wrote about something not related to COVID or politics.
Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less. ~Marie Curie