To all of those who've said why aren't they attacking, the fact is that returning a chop is not as easy as you think. If you return it badly, the chopper will smash it hard back to you, which are their intended way to score.
They arent attacking. Yes, its a strategy to gain points, based on technique, defense and counterattack. In long terms choper style its not that effective. In this match we can saw clearly how they loss.
There are quite a few choppers in women's table tennis, not only from Korea. Some are "modern defenders" who also attack regularly, others play more traditional defense. Look for Fan Ying and Wu Yang from China, Li Jie from the Netherlands, Li Qian from Poland, Viktoria Pavlovich from Belarus, Irene Ivancan from Germany, Yuka Ishigaki from Japan and others. On the men's side, there are also some very good defenders, including exciting young players such as Yuto Muramatsu from Japan.
this is really old and theres a chance that people will never read this, but it does confuse me just how little a lot of table tennis watchers know about the way these pips rubbers work. she barely even put any spin onto the ball. 90% of it was the topspin from the opponent. similarly when it comes to players like joo se hyuk, it might look like their massive swing allows them to put more spin onto it, but this isnt actually true at all. the reason they swing this big is to have the ball not fly over the table from the amount of tospin the ball has while still keeping the spin of the opponent. this is different when they are using forehand rubbers since those are normal and dont "inverse" the spin, but players like joo se hyuk arent really putting spin onto the ball with their backhand. theyre doing this motion to conserve the spin of the opponent. if they blocked it and angled their racket downwards instead, the ball would loose a lot of the spin (although still having backspin. you can see a lot of older pip players do this. this "style" is actually quite popular in older germany, and there is even a brand specifically desigining pip rubbers for this style, although its questionable whether that "style" of rubber should be given any attention, as it is basically made to be as frictionless as possible. kinda like using wood without rubber (which works amazingly for chopping believe it or not) i think many people believe there is some magic to pips for some reason). by doing this motion, the ball can continue spinning without that much resistance. this is also a mistake that many new (and even some more experienced) defender players with pips make. they think they need to swing extra hard to add spin to the ball. this is pointless. if the opponent plays a dead ball, the amount of spin you can create with long pips is incredibly small, no matter how hard you swing. long pips defense players dont use pips to create backspin, they use it to keep the topspin of the opponent and turn it into backspin. and making a very strong swing is very useful for that, because it allows to keep the spin that is currently on the ball. this is why attackers will play short balls to defenders with no spin on their backhand, because defenders cannot put backspin on a dead ball with their backhand, so the attacker will be able to attack easier on the next shot. you can see players like ma long doing this constantly. players who keep putting topsin after topspin on backhand will usually loose because it makes it incredibly easy for the defender by feeding into the purpose of the long pips. The perfect demonstration for this is why you can see many defenders having an incredibly different backhand chop technique. the reason for the difference in chop technique is because it doesnt really matter how hard you swing. 90% of the spin comes from the opponent. you could almost argue that a lof of chopping technique is aesthethic
Correct. By the way, that shot at 3:23 by Ding Ning (the leftie) was a fabulous misdirection - the opponent anticipated the ball to come to her backhand and was completely frozen, which rarely happens at this level.
A doubles team with two defenders is quite rare. When defenders play against each other, they will either play long "pushing" rallies (backspin shots close to the table), or mix up offense and defense. Most top defenders are capable of attacking fairly well with the forehand, although the slower equipment limits the speed of their attacking shots.
While the defensive style of chopping clearly makes for exciting rallies against an attacking duo who is game to throw down... You will also notice the chinese offensive pair won the match quite handedly despite these amazing points. Nevertheless, I was inspired to learn the art of chopping after watching this video as I'm sure many others were too. Table tennis is always in need of more choppers! Keep the dying art alive, boys and girls!
How nice, how much enjoyment and entertainment to see this kinda Attack vs Defense Doubles games, Even Though Chinese Attacking pairs win at this but there are so much efforts, so much strategies , so much skills inside to be put on the show. This Era is I believe the old era , the before this 40+ plastic balls that are much heavy , speed and less spin and the Era that Defensive table tennis is showing its existence, showing its strenght and capabilities, but it is now slowly fade away
The power of chops... I love this kind of defence! It's also very psychological. how we can see here in the alliviation of Guo Yan and Ding Ning after the points...
@Ricksonkimura For a doubles with two right-handed players, the backhand serve is convenient because the server can stand well to the right of her partner and get out of the way quickly. Flipping the paddles is easy, many pips players do this not only for the serve but during a rally too.
It's not about the speed and all about the spin: slicing the ball produces heavy backspin, which is difficult to attack for the opponents (they have to respond either by lifting the ball with an extreme looping stroke, or by "pushing" the ball back safely and passively). This defensive, "chopping" game is a well-established strategy in table tennis and can still be very successful at the highest level. Many attacking players have a lot of trouble overcoming choppers and lose by making mistakes.
The Chinese (in blue) both look like Korean and the Koreans (in pink) both look like Chinese :-). Watch again. I've watched more than a dozen times. This is table tennis at best. Thanks for sharing.
Hence why you see comments such as "Why don't they just slam it back at them?" Their backspin causes the ball to dive almost straight downward IMMEDIATELY upon contacting the paddle. As a result they must LIFT the ball as well as moving it forward, whereas a no spin or topspin ball CAN be slammed back as there is no need to counter the heavy backspin.
I love watching matches between loopers against choppers. They have long rallies which makes up a very exciting game.
I was a chopper when playing matches during the school years. Really enjoy great defense, rallies, techniques and also counterattacks.
To all of those who've said why aren't they attacking, the fact is that returning a chop is not as easy as you think. If you return it badly, the chopper will smash it hard back to you, which are their intended way to score.
asdasd im sure, they mean, why the defenders doesnt play sometimes offensive, not why attackers doesnt play agressive topspin all the time
Lonycat indah
Obviously it doesn’t work against the Chinese
They arent attacking.
Yes, its a strategy to gain points, based on technique, defense and counterattack.
In long terms choper style its not that effective. In this match we can saw clearly how they loss.
There are quite a few choppers in women's table tennis, not only from Korea. Some are "modern defenders" who also attack regularly, others play more traditional defense. Look for Fan Ying and Wu Yang from China, Li Jie from the Netherlands, Li Qian from Poland, Viktoria Pavlovich from Belarus, Irene Ivancan from Germany, Yuka Ishigaki from Japan and others. On the men's side, there are also some very good defenders, including exciting young players such as Yuto Muramatsu from Japan.
That is some of the best table tennis I've ever seen! Very exciting to watch and both teams were great!
This is one of the best tabletennis videos i have seen, really entertaining!
Wow......... old videos, but very fresh in terms of skills and dedication.... amazing on both sides
Fantastic match. The best of all doubles at all times.
0:14 o.O Did that ball just start rolling backwards on the ground before she picked it up??? That's some SERIOUS spin right there...
ArchKDE with that rubbers, who doesn't do that
ArchKDE Tt
@@lynhehe really!?
@@arm8636 no, they don't play on a slope
this is really old and theres a chance that people will never read this, but it does confuse me just how little a lot of table tennis watchers know about the way these pips rubbers work. she barely even put any spin onto the ball. 90% of it was the topspin from the opponent. similarly when it comes to players like joo se hyuk, it might look like their massive swing allows them to put more spin onto it, but this isnt actually true at all. the reason they swing this big is to have the ball not fly over the table from the amount of tospin the ball has while still keeping the spin of the opponent. this is different when they are using forehand rubbers since those are normal and dont "inverse" the spin, but players like joo se hyuk arent really putting spin onto the ball with their backhand. theyre doing this motion to conserve the spin of the opponent. if they blocked it and angled their racket downwards instead, the ball would loose a lot of the spin (although still having backspin. you can see a lot of older pip players do this. this "style" is actually quite popular in older germany, and there is even a brand specifically desigining pip rubbers for this style, although its questionable whether that "style" of rubber should be given any attention, as it is basically made to be as frictionless as possible. kinda like using wood without rubber (which works amazingly for chopping believe it or not) i think many people believe there is some magic to pips for some reason). by doing this motion, the ball can continue spinning without that much resistance. this is also a mistake that many new (and even some more experienced) defender players with pips make. they think they need to swing extra hard to add spin to the ball. this is pointless. if the opponent plays a dead ball, the amount of spin you can create with long pips is incredibly small, no matter how hard you swing. long pips defense players dont use pips to create backspin, they use it to keep the topspin of the opponent and turn it into backspin. and making a very strong swing is very useful for that, because it allows to keep the spin that is currently on the ball. this is why attackers will play short balls to defenders with no spin on their backhand, because defenders cannot put backspin on a dead ball with their backhand, so the attacker will be able to attack easier on the next shot. you can see players like ma long doing this constantly. players who keep putting topsin after topspin on backhand will usually loose because it makes it incredibly easy for the defender by feeding into the purpose of the long pips.
The perfect demonstration for this is why you can see many defenders having an incredibly different backhand chop technique. the reason for the difference in chop technique is because it doesnt really matter how hard you swing. 90% of the spin comes from the opponent. you could almost argue that a lof of chopping technique is aesthethic
Amazing,elegant defence ! ...
And beautiful operator sound!
Is it just me? Or are Koreans the ministers of defense in table tennis?
In badminton too Lol
Especially Joo Se Hyuk
Excellent demonstration of offensive vs. defensive games!
Kim and Park are the best chopper in the world among the woman line ! Great Highlights !!!
Correct. By the way, that shot at 3:23 by Ding Ning (the leftie) was a fabulous misdirection - the opponent anticipated the ball to come to her backhand and was completely frozen, which rarely happens at this level.
A doubles team with two defenders is quite rare. When defenders play against each other, they will either play long "pushing" rallies (backspin shots close to the table), or mix up offense and defense. Most top defenders are capable of attacking fairly well with the forehand, although the slower equipment limits the speed of their attacking shots.
Superb play! I think my neighbors heard me yelling! Thank you so much for uploading this video. I
The Korean girls look like they were personally taught by Joo Se Hyuk himself
Except that they are about the same age he is.
Ricksonkimura who is hoo hsyusk
Koni Niwa..?
@@dabideuh4131 one of the best defence player in ping pong
wahaha omg what a hilarious back spin from the korean pair! love it!
Kim and Park are amaizing !
The best game I ever watched.
that is one sick chop
este video es increible , los jugadoras son fantasticos , saben devolber remaches y tienen buen reves .
They are great teams and great to watching! good skills to the duo!
Fantastic play it is. They are all the best player!
So beautiful the chop chop
this is absolutely breath taking.
素晴らしい試合！！
Wow, great talent, very inspiring !!
This is unbelievabel o.O this is maybe the best game i have ever seen in my Live o.O Better then the 1VS1 games ^^
with the new plastic ball at that time it would have been impossible to watch such a fantastic game
great tactics and perfect coordination
It's unreal how good these ladies are.
What lovely chops!!!
great players! the koreans did great even though they fell 2nd place ...good play
D best doubles game I've seen so far...contrasting styles
@MycroDomin: yes, in table tennis players have to alternate (unlike tennis)
I could watch this shit all day....simply amazing!
through the only internet socket in north korea? :D
Fork sapien
You real funny guy. I only need ONE connection....I only one to have authorization for internets.
While the defensive style of chopping clearly makes for exciting rallies against an attacking duo who is game to throw down... You will also notice the chinese offensive pair won the match quite handedly despite these amazing points.
Nevertheless, I was inspired to learn the art of chopping after watching this video as I'm sure many others were too. Table tennis is always in need of more choppers! Keep the dying art alive, boys and girls!
The best Women's Doubles Choppers ever
Exelente demostracion y gran talento mi pregunta es..... porque al final del video pierden las de rojo.... es porque pega en la linea blanca ?
Truly beautiful rallies~
great match.. respect to the choppers.. they can win points by top spin as well..
Greaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttt rallllly.Hats offf to u.
How nice, how much enjoyment and entertainment to see this kinda Attack vs Defense Doubles games, Even Though Chinese Attacking pairs win at this but there are so much efforts, so much strategies , so much skills inside to be put on the show. This Era is I believe the old era , the before this 40+ plastic balls that are much heavy , speed and less spin and the Era that Defensive table tennis is showing its existence, showing its strenght and capabilities, but it is now slowly fade away
OMG, that match was AMAZINGGGGGG!
I dont know, at the very top level it seems like the supreme consistent offensive person will always get the better of supreme choppers
The power of chops...
I love this kind of defence! It's also very psychological. how we can see here in the alliviation of Guo Yan and Ding Ning after the points...
I've never seen more solid forehand chops before
Замечательное удовольствие! И нападение, и защита!
World's best women double chopper match ever, no others come close
what a game yr.......both teams were excellent
What an insane rally!!
와우 저당시 김경아 박미영선수 수비 플레이 대단하네요. 요즘 박미영님과는 천양지차이네요 ㅎ
레슨을 많이 하셔서 예전 실력이 이젠 나오기 힘들지요
Very nic video, best action
Whoa 😮 Incredible !!!
ultimate video,as to how calmly a player can plat!!...
That's Great/ for me they're are both winners !
Why is this so entertaining? XD
Just brilliant!
Fantastic. Seams to be like a dance.
Amazing. just. Amazing.
Some of the best rallies ever
well don't know much about table tennis still enjoying the game:)
Table Tennis is great exercise.
wow, amazing display of reflexes ..i think they're ninjas
good , good , good
beautiful chop
absolutely AMAZING.
the game is very slowly but veryy fantastic !!
honestly.. this is pretty cool
Super match Great players
i'm amazed at the spin they are able to put on the ball, esp. the koreans. it's freaking crazy.
@Ricksonkimura
For a doubles with two right-handed players, the backhand serve is convenient because the server can stand well to the right of her partner and get out of the way quickly. Flipping the paddles is easy, many pips players do this not only for the serve but during a rally too.
I enjoyed watching chopper player they are the best for me.ding Ning s always pretty
chop chop back to the kitchen.
Just kidding. All of them were fantastic. Amazing play!
unbe-friggin-lievable!!!
what a game!!!
好特別，幾乎沒看過雙打都是削球手的
It's not about the speed and all about the spin: slicing the ball produces heavy backspin, which is difficult to attack for the opponents (they have to respond either by lifting the ball with an extreme looping stroke, or by "pushing" the ball back safely and passively). This defensive, "chopping" game is a well-established strategy in table tennis and can still be very successful at the highest level. Many attacking players have a lot of trouble overcoming choppers and lose by making mistakes.
Amazing stuff! brilliant!
what a match...amazing...
Didn't even know there were doubles in table tennis. Interesting. I'm just getting back into the sport.
great games,great techniques
The Chinese (in blue) both look like Korean and the Koreans (in pink) both look like Chinese :-). Watch again. I've watched more than a dozen times. This is table tennis at best. Thanks for sharing.
I like this video because it also shows the points they lose.
Hence why you see comments such as "Why don't they just slam it back at them?" Their backspin causes the ball to dive almost straight downward IMMEDIATELY upon contacting the paddle. As a result they must LIFT the ball as well as moving it forward, whereas a no spin or topspin ball CAN be slammed back as there is no need to counter the heavy backspin.
Well that was awesome.
great video 5*
UNBELIEVEABLE!!
Excellent game !
They're amazing
الله يبارك معلمين😃😃
da' best female doubles match ever played in history! xD
best woman match i ever seen!!!
Amazing reflexes!
fantasTiC
God Damn it! This is what you call a game!
amazing reflexes
ايش الروعه ذي ما شاء الله
Kim and Park (the pair in pink) are Korean.
great match!
really chop Chop king .... :)