I'm glad Ampero is listening to the feedback provided by your Channel viewers and Subscribers. Using the information is helping them improve the Modeler, and this should result in better sales numbers. Everyone is benefitted in such an ecosystem. Thanks for helping make that possible.
Thank you Leo! Its great to see companies making optimizations after release. It makes me feel confident they will keep supporting the product, so thank you for your continued valuable work!
I bought one and I'm waiting for it to arrive . I hope that more people will be interested in this processor and Hotone will be interested in updating it's firmware . Thank you for the review )
Thank you for these videos! I'm saving to make a single new rig for both electric and acoustic, and I'm narrowing down to the Ampero Stomp, Valeton GP 200, or NUX MP-30 as the heart of it. These videos really help and also make it tougher, because each have pros and cons and seem to be good units in their own right. It's great to have such detailed and thoughtful tests and critiques of each.
would love to see an aliasing comparison between all the popular modeling pedals. would be very useful!!! trying to find info on aliasing and oversampling is pretty difficult for people shopping around. Great vids!
Thank you, I'm happy that you like the videos! Yes, it would be super interesting...but I've yet not found a way to do it scientifically...any suggestion would me more than welcome Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr can’t you send a sine wave sweep into it, use it like a hardware effect send in the daw like with PipelineXT in studio one then put plugin doctor afterwards to visualize the aliasing?
The problem is that the Audio interface is gonna apply its anti-aliasing filters.... We may try connecting the unit via USB...but then we are not testing the DA converters....so it could be a partial test
@@LeoGibsonGtr what if you record at 192khz. Shouldn’t that push the anti-aliasing filters up to 96khz nyquist freq allowing you to see any aliasing from the modeling hardware which usually only process at 44.1 or 48?
Nice, latency is such an important topic! How about sharing user patches? Would be nice to have a telegram group for your community to share their patches for ampero stomp 2
I think when effects start being added into the chain, even if it's just one, the algorithm makes some kind of buffer. Sorta like an empty room to put all the effects in. I guess that's why there's quite a high jump after adding a wah and a TS (which are fairly simple in terms of sound manipulation) but not so much after adding delay and reverb. Anyway, thank you very much for the very thorough test! I was looking for latency info on Hotone Jogg (on their website they just said very low lol) before I stumbled across this video. I guess the Jogg will have more or less the same performance? When loading their own Vstomp, at least.
Great video. Is there any way you could also do a latency test between switching patches. I used to have an old digitech rp3 and the main think i hated was the split second of silence when changing patches which is why I moved to separate pedals. Now that the technology has improved i'm looking at a Hotone Ampero stomp but i'm concerned that there may be too much latency between switching patches. Keep up the great work as your gear videos are probably some of the most detailed and informative on youtube.
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you like the video! it's an interesting point...I would need to figure out how to do it, also in order to comparing it to other units... in a way that make sense.
Yes, that's correct. I need to figure out how to make in a clever way the comparison with other units, for instance choosing the same amps or effects in the presets A and B, taking into consideration that some units has scenes / snapshots, etc.
Leo! Great video as always, i actally am now considering an Ampero unit and i have been looking at their features and this raises the queation, when using a custom IR how better or different is the Mic placement option, is the unit showing less latency because a custom IR is not as processed as the built in emulation, or it simply might be coded to run through less converson or internal 'tweaking' than the built in stuff? I wonder why its so significantly less. Thanks for the content as always!
Thank you, I'm really happy that you like the video! The cabinet section in the Ampero is well done, with the possibility to place the mic across the cab, etc....it's one of the best in terms of features. All these possibilities require processing power. With the IR you can change the mic type, the mic position etc...it's much easier to process. That's why, probability, the IR requires less processing power and therefore the latency is lower. Thank you!
Hi Hotone has released a new version of the Ampero II stomp firmware, they release even a new version of the USB driver. it's seems that now you can choose higher frequency for sample rate. Latency, the ability to shot down all cabs modeling in one operation, and sample rate are 3 things that avoid me to buy the Ampero II stomp. Can i ask a video, even a short video, for this update. Thank you so much for your invaluable work.
Yes, There is the 1.2.1 released in 8/30/2023 and the update for the USB driver V2.0.1 released 8/2/2023 that permit to change the sample rate of the USB interface ( with strange difference between I/O channel ). Thank you
Hi Leo, I ordered the Ampero yesterday and I am curious if the thing works better using a separate audio interface or would it be better to just use the Ampero as its own audio interface? What are your thoughts, and which is much better for latency? Thanks I love your channel
Hi Dustin, pretty complex question. How would you connect the Audio interface with the Ampero? I would say that it depends from the connections you are gonna do. Generally speaking, it is better to use the Ampero as an audio interface. in this way you perform the AD conversion only once and you use the Ampero for monitoring.... But, as I say, it depends from the connection you want to do. Thank you!
Hi leo.! How are you? The latency tests you did with the Ampero II Stomp, did you use the IR block with Resolution in Normal Mode? Or in High Resolution mode? Thank you.
Leo thanks for the nice test.. I'd like to ask you if there is any Transpose effect (changing a tuning of the guitar - like Kemper has or stomp Digitech Drop is). If yes, could you do a sound comparison with Kemper, Fractal or Digitech Drop? thx
Hi, as far as I know, in the Ampero there is an effect called "String Shifter" that should do what you re asking for. I will see what I can do... Thank you for your suggestion!
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you like the video! If you want more info about the latency of the old Ampero, you can check out this video, where I have compared 23 amp modellers: th-cam.com/video/oU0-_3Hub9o/w-d-xo.html Thank you for your message!
Ciao Leo, I hope you are well and Buon Natale :) I just bought this pedal yesterday after watching all your videos BUT when I connect it to my Focusrite Scarlett no audio comes out of the speakers (the software is correctly installed and the firmware updated)...it works great if I connect the speakers to the ampero or if i connect the ampero to the return of my amp but no matter what I try it doesn't seem to like the Focusrite...I can see the output level of the ampero moving on the unit and also the signal in moving on the Focusrite but then no sound at all from the speaker...it's like they were not happy to process the sound of the ampero (I set up on my laptop the ampero as the input device and the scarlett as the output device). Any idea or suggestion? Grazie e tanti auguri :)
Ciao, are you using a Mac or a Windows PC? are you connecting the unit via USB or via Analog out of the Ampero? I'm using a Mac and I create an aggregated device using the Audio Device App and then the Mac works with both the audio interface and the Ampero. Thank you!
Ciao Leo. Ho Preso Per un test ampero 2stage. Riscontro un rumore di massa anche utilizzando il controllo Ground lift. Appoggiando le mani sulle corde della chitarra o toccando Il cavo sparisce. Non so se è un problema del mio modulo o lo hai riscontrato anche tu. Grazie anticipatamente
Ciao Emanuele, in effetti è un pò che non lo uso e quindi non so se per caso gli ultimi FW update abbiamo causato qualche problema. In generale se usi suoni high gain è normale ci sia rumore di fondo...se ti capita anche con suoni puliti...non dovrebbe succedere...
Hi, as far as I understood from the improvements specification of the 1.2.0, there is nothing related to latency, therefore I don't expect the latency to have been improved. Thank you!
Hi, as these devices are digital, there is a time that pass between the moment you hit the string and the moment the sound is actually produced. Here you can find more info: th-cam.com/video/BpEgHGKPOpA/w-d-xo.html Thanks
So can someone tell me... If I just use it for basic effects, compression, delay, Tremolo, phaser and reverb with my analog tube preamp (with its own cabsim) in the loop, what kinda latency would I expect? Cheers :)
Hi, the cab block is the one that takes more processing power, therefore if you don't use it, you should have a better latency. Nonetheless, if your preamp has a cabsim, it means that it has some A D A conversion (unless the cab sim is all analog, but it's very rare), and therefore it is adding latency...therefore it depends on how much latency time is introducing your preamp. Thank you for your question!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thanks for the personal reply Leo!! Apparently it's an analog cab sim (vox valvenergy silk drive) so sould work great I think. The valvenergy series of pedals are WELL worth a look. :). Thanks for the amazing content!!!
I'm glad Ampero is listening to the feedback provided by your Channel viewers and Subscribers. Using the information is helping them improve the Modeler, and this should result in better sales numbers. Everyone is benefitted in such an ecosystem. Thanks for helping make that possible.
You are welcome!!! I'm the one who should say thanks to all of you for making this possible!!!
When a hero use no cape, thx Leo
Thank you so much William!!!
I recently bought one due to your comparison videos with other multi-effects pedalboards.
Thanks for your work and keep rocking, Leo! 💪
Thank you so much Miguel! I'm super happy to have been of some help!!
Hi Leo, great job in measuring performance on these pedals. Thank you.
You are welcome and thank you so much, I'm really happy that you have appreciated the content!!
Thank you Leo! Its great to see companies making optimizations after release. It makes me feel confident they will keep supporting the product, so thank you for your continued valuable work!
Yes, I totally agree!!! Ampero is listening to our feedback...which is great!!!
Thank you!
I bought one and I'm waiting for it to arrive . I hope that more people will be interested in this processor
and Hotone will be interested in updating it's firmware . Thank you for the review )
You are welcome and thank you for sharing!
Whenever im curious about a pedals late cy, i come to ur channel. Thank you again.
You are welcome and I'm really happy to have been of some help!!!
Great series Leo
Thank you, really appreciate!
Thank you for these videos! I'm saving to make a single new rig for both electric and acoustic, and I'm narrowing down to the Ampero Stomp, Valeton GP 200, or NUX MP-30 as the heart of it. These videos really help and also make it tougher, because each have pros and cons and seem to be good units in their own right. It's great to have such detailed and thoughtful tests and critiques of each.
Thank you so much Josh, I'm happy to have been of some help!
You are a crack, Leo! Keep it up for this amazing content
Thank you so much Manuel, I'm super happy that you like the content!!!! 👍
It would be nice of you to create a full depth latency review about MX5, maybe the guys at Headrush also release an optimized firmware.
Good point...thank you for sharing!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Here's another vote for the MX5. I have one, and love it, but I would love it even more if they could get the latency down.
Hi, thank you for sharing...I will see what I can do in the coming weeks...
would love to see an aliasing comparison between all the popular modeling pedals. would be very useful!!! trying to find info on aliasing and oversampling is pretty difficult for people shopping around. Great vids!
Thank you, I'm happy that you like the videos!
Yes, it would be super interesting...but I've yet not found a way to do it scientifically...any suggestion would me more than welcome
Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr can’t you send a sine wave sweep into it, use it like a hardware effect send in the daw like with PipelineXT in studio one then put plugin doctor afterwards to visualize the aliasing?
The problem is that the Audio interface is gonna apply its anti-aliasing filters....
We may try connecting the unit via USB...but then we are not testing the DA converters....so it could be a partial test
@@LeoGibsonGtr what if you record at 192khz. Shouldn’t that push the anti-aliasing filters up to 96khz nyquist freq allowing you to see any aliasing from the modeling hardware which usually only process at 44.1 or 48?
This is a good point! Thanks!
Great review, thanks!
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the video!!!
Nice, latency is such an important topic! How about sharing user patches? Would be nice to have a telegram group for your community to share their patches for ampero stomp 2
Hi, this is a great idea!...I don't know how to do it....but it is a great idea...👍
I think when effects start being added into the chain, even if it's just one, the algorithm makes some kind of buffer. Sorta like an empty room to put all the effects in. I guess that's why there's quite a high jump after adding a wah and a TS (which are fairly simple in terms of sound manipulation) but not so much after adding delay and reverb.
Anyway, thank you very much for the very thorough test! I was looking for latency info on Hotone Jogg (on their website they just said very low lol) before I stumbled across this video. I guess the Jogg will have more or less the same performance? When loading their own Vstomp, at least.
Hi, thank you for sharing!
I never tried a Jogg, therefore I can't tell. If someone knows, please drop here a message
You can use 2048 samples with effects now in ampero 2, new update is good
Yes, it's already a very nice unit and with FW upgrades it can improve even further.
Thank you for your message!
👍👍 Awesome !!
Thank you!!!
Great video. Is there any way you could also do a latency test between switching patches. I used to have an old digitech rp3 and the main think i hated was the split second of silence when changing patches which is why I moved to separate pedals. Now that the technology has improved i'm looking at a Hotone Ampero stomp but i'm concerned that there may be too much latency between switching patches. Keep up the great work as your gear videos are probably some of the most detailed and informative on youtube.
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you like the video!
it's an interesting point...I would need to figure out how to do it, also in order to comparing it to other units... in a way that make sense.
@@LeoGibsonGtr hi. One way you could do it would be to play a chord, record it, switch patches and then measure the dropout using a daw.
Yes, that's correct. I need to figure out how to make in a clever way the comparison with other units, for instance choosing the same amps or effects in the presets A and B, taking into consideration that some units has scenes / snapshots, etc.
Leo! Great video as always, i actally am now considering an Ampero unit and i have been looking at their features and this raises the queation, when using a custom IR how better or different is the Mic placement option, is the unit showing less latency because a custom IR is not as processed as the built in emulation, or it simply might be coded to run through less converson or internal 'tweaking' than the built in stuff? I wonder why its so significantly less. Thanks for the content as always!
Thank you, I'm really happy that you like the video!
The cabinet section in the Ampero is well done, with the possibility to place the mic across the cab, etc....it's one of the best in terms of features. All these possibilities require processing power. With the IR you can change the mic type, the mic position etc...it's much easier to process. That's why, probability, the IR requires less processing power and therefore the latency is lower.
Thank you!
Then they should add scenes/snapshots. That would make this unit perfect for me.
Hi Peter, thank you for sharing...yes, it would be a nice feature...
Hi Hotone has released a new version of the Ampero II stomp firmware, they release even a new version of the USB driver. it's seems that now you can choose higher frequency for sample rate. Latency, the ability to shot down all cabs modeling in one operation, and sample rate are 3 things that avoid me to buy the Ampero II stomp. Can i ask a video, even a short video, for this update. Thank you so much for your invaluable work.
Hi Giorgio, you mean the version 1.2 released on the 3/30/2023?
Thank you!
Yes, There is the 1.2.1 released in 8/30/2023 and the update for the USB driver V2.0.1 released 8/2/2023 that permit to change the sample rate of the USB interface ( with strange difference between I/O channel ). Thank you
You are welcome and thank you for letting me know
Leo, please compare the latency beetween Fm3 and Axefx3 if you can.
Hi Rodolfo, I'm sorry, but I don't own and FX3....thank you for your suggestion!
Hi Leo, I ordered the Ampero yesterday and I am curious if the thing works better using a separate audio interface or would it be better to just use the Ampero as its own audio interface? What are your thoughts, and which is much better for latency? Thanks I love your channel
Hi Dustin, pretty complex question. How would you connect the Audio interface with the Ampero?
I would say that it depends from the connections you are gonna do. Generally speaking, it is better to use the Ampero as an audio interface. in this way you perform the AD conversion only once and you use the Ampero for monitoring....
But, as I say, it depends from the connection you want to do.
Thank you!
Hi leo.! How are you? The latency tests you did with the Ampero II Stomp, did you use the IR block with Resolution in Normal Mode? Or in High Resolution mode? Thank you.
Hi, actually I don't remember...maybe High Res...but I'm not 100% sure...
Thank you!
The amount of latency more huge when using cab because Ampero stomp II have 2048 Sample points which is more precise and better result than others
Leo thanks for the nice test.. I'd like to ask you if there is any Transpose effect (changing a tuning of the guitar - like Kemper has or stomp Digitech Drop is). If yes, could you do a sound comparison with Kemper, Fractal or Digitech Drop? thx
Hi, as far as I know, in the Ampero there is an effect called "String Shifter" that should do what you re asking for.
I will see what I can do...
Thank you for your suggestion!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Hi, Any progress ? :-)
Wow! Top content!
Does anyone have any ideas about latency on the old ampero one : same as stomp II, better, worse??
Hi, thank you, I'm happy that you like the video!
If you want more info about the latency of the old Ampero, you can check out this video, where I have compared 23 amp modellers: th-cam.com/video/oU0-_3Hub9o/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your message!
Soundwise which is better: ampero stomp or nux mg30 or valeton gp200?
Ciao Leo, I hope you are well and Buon Natale :) I just bought this pedal yesterday after watching all your videos BUT when I connect it to my Focusrite Scarlett no audio comes out of the speakers (the software is correctly installed and the firmware updated)...it works great if I connect the speakers to the ampero or if i connect the ampero to the return of my amp but no matter what I try it doesn't seem to like the Focusrite...I can see the output level of the ampero moving on the unit and also the signal in moving on the Focusrite but then no sound at all from the speaker...it's like they were not happy to process the sound of the ampero (I set up on my laptop the ampero as the input device and the scarlett as the output device). Any idea or suggestion? Grazie e tanti auguri :)
Ciao,
are you using a Mac or a Windows PC? are you connecting the unit via USB or via Analog out of the Ampero? I'm using a Mac and I create an aggregated device using the Audio Device App and then the Mac works with both the audio interface and the Ampero.
Thank you!
Ciao Leo. Ho Preso Per un test ampero 2stage. Riscontro un rumore di massa anche utilizzando il controllo Ground lift. Appoggiando le mani sulle corde della chitarra o toccando Il cavo sparisce. Non so se è un problema del mio modulo o lo hai riscontrato anche tu. Grazie anticipatamente
Ciao Emanuele, in effetti è un pò che non lo uso e quindi non so se per caso gli ultimi FW update abbiamo causato qualche problema. In generale se usi suoni high gain è normale ci sia rumore di fondo...se ti capita anche con suoni puliti...non dovrebbe succedere...
Would it be interesting for you to revisit this topic as ampero stomp 2 is on firmware 1.2.0 right now?
Hi, as far as I understood from the improvements specification of the 1.2.0, there is nothing related to latency, therefore I don't expect the latency to have been improved.
Thank you!
@@LeoGibsonGtr okey, thank you!
You are welcome!
👍👍👍
👍🙏
How is it compared to other brands?
Hi John, you can check out this video: th-cam.com/video/oU0-_3Hub9o/w-d-xo.html
Thank you!
But updating firmware is so hard in ampero . So many ampero users have problem connecting the unit to PC.
Hi, I'm sorry, I can't help...I use a Mac and I have not experienced problems so far.
usually the issue coming from energy saving setting of USB ports and its easy to fix
I hope that's help
Sorry, what is latency? :)
Hi, as these devices are digital, there is a time that pass between the moment you hit the string and the moment the sound is actually produced. Here you can find more info: th-cam.com/video/BpEgHGKPOpA/w-d-xo.html
Thanks
So can someone tell me... If I just use it for basic effects, compression, delay, Tremolo, phaser and reverb with my analog tube preamp (with its own cabsim) in the loop, what kinda latency would I expect? Cheers :)
Hi, the cab block is the one that takes more processing power, therefore if you don't use it, you should have a better latency. Nonetheless, if your preamp has a cabsim, it means that it has some A D A conversion (unless the cab sim is all analog, but it's very rare), and therefore it is adding latency...therefore it depends on how much latency time is introducing your preamp.
Thank you for your question!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thanks for the personal reply Leo!! Apparently it's an analog cab sim (vox valvenergy silk drive) so sould work great I think. The valvenergy series of pedals are WELL worth a look. :).
Thanks for the amazing content!!!
You are welcome and I'm happy that you like the videos!!!
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