Keep in mind that Hector has Strategos, which turns both of his LT orders into regular orders. Throw him in a core link with either a Nyoka or Beta trooper, add Parvati for a specialist and a means to doctor/engineer the link member aback up, and sprinkle in some Psi cops for flavour. With this core link, even if you only build a 10 model list, you'll still be operating on 12 regular orders.
True but limited insertion can now have 2 orders stripped so you can lose that benefit. Plus, don’t you find Parvati very expensive for what you actually get?
@@the_infinitygamer if you've got Hector in Starmada, chances are he's going to be in a link team. You're going to want to be activating that link as your main attack piece, and so you were never going to be able to spend the LT orders on him anyway. So if he didn't have strategos, you'd have 10 orders plus 2 LT orders that are probably going to waste. If you get stripped two orders, you'd now only effectively have 8 orders. But with strategos, you're being stripped from 12 to 10 orders. In that case the strategos + 2 LT orders are your insurance against that command token when going first. As for Parvati, yeah she is expensive, but consider that if Hector goes down, she has a 75% chance to pick him up to full health (ignoring cube reroll). In a 5 man link she has burst 5 BS 15 SMGs, and a WIP 15 flashpulse, as well as being able to repair the Beta trooper in the link. I see her as being insurance for the link team, as well as a very reliable specialist to hit buttons.
@@the_infinitygamer this is just theory, from me at this point, as I haven't had a chance to play Starmada yet. From what I've seen, Starmada can castle quite well, so yes, he could be excellent for a big turn two/three push onto the objectives. I've been taking the plasma rifle option because linked plasma can absolutely demolish people
Hi Infinity Gamer and Community. I'm brand new to O12 and infinity. Picking it up as all my Malifaux friends have moved over with the start of N4. I listened to the first half of your video and was saying "yeah, yeah I agree!" Writing an O-12 vanilla list feels like you're in a Candy store. Writing a Starmada list feels like you're getting the groceries... One or two treats (they don't have the ones you *really* want) and then try and find the things you need. Question about Guard though.... Pretty sure it needs LOF so you cant Melee over that wall or around the corner?
Completely agree, vanilla has so many options and it feels hard to make a bad choice - finding good synergies just unlocks even more awesomeness! Correct guard needs LOF so while hacking doesn’t it’s still a great way of giving your opponent a terrible choice.
Hi, I started Infinity with the JSA , out of style reasons ( love space samurai & ninjas ). Only to find out that the are a Close combat army with low BS, witch gave me a hard time in a very ranged weapon shot em up game like Infinity. ( main opponents are pan-o , nomads , aleph ) So running at the the enemy was a bit of pain. But I did learn a lot over time & how to get them into cc or use the limited bs that I have to my advantage.
I’ve gone against JSA a capillary of times and they’re one of the toughest opponents I’ve faced. With infinity tables having so much terrain it’s easy for them to get into CC and destroy key units thus weakening an attack. Look for precision strikes on key units with low cost units and you’ll decimate your opponent.
@@the_infinitygamer Hi, thank you for answering. We did get more terrain over time ( me and my 3 mates ). I have had very good experiences with Shinobu Kitsune, witch singlehandedly went through a aleph & pan O army. Also Rui Shi REM in Smoke with its MSV2 & Spitfire, a evo buffing it with marksman to ignore cover is a nice way to get rid of non msv aro units or link teams. a good Harris link is Oda + 2 Karakuri (mk12 + shotgun) core team is Domaru + Tanko. sry 4 my bad English I am from German
Your English is better than mine! That sounds like a very powerful list, sounds like you’re doing very well with powerful combinations (MSV2 + Spitfire is BRUTAL!). Sounds like a list I’d be nervous to face 😦
@@the_infinitygamer Thank you for the complements, I had to keep up with what my opponents dished out, so its thanks to them ( my mates ) stepping up and putting out incredible army lists . That's why I came across the Rui Shi (23 points) & the EVO Hacking (15 points) remote & Smoke grenade (Yojimbo) combination. They do hate me for it do. ;)
Just getting into Infinity and I decided that the problem with O12 is that they're a bunch of space narcs. 😁 Then I saw that Ariadna had werewolves and I'm like sold!
Nice video. Just one point: Team Sirius can't be part of a coordinated order as peripherals (the dogbot) and the controller can be included in coordinated orders.
Phew, coordinated hacks are my new favourite thing so while the dogs don’t last long the controllers are great at a coordinated hack on a key objective.
In some ways, this sounds similar to a lot of issues I'm running into with vanilla versus sectorial for my Haqq force, however we at least have three choices (four if you include Dashat) for such versus just the one. I also definitely feel that TAG conundrum, given that the main TAG I have access to is 81-88/1.5 points, with the light one being 58/1.5. I'm still having a huge conundrum of vanilla versus Hassassin versus Ramah - I love the options... Gotta say though, they've been knocking it out of the park with the O-12 sculpts, they're so insanely tempting to pick up, even though I've got a massive backlog!
I really want to run a TAG but I just struggle with the points! Maybe I should just run it and see how it performs on the table. Many things don’t make sense when theory crafting but work in game!
@@the_infinitygamer That's an issue I keep running into myself. The murder scorpion (aka Maggie) can be a powerful tool, but I've also seen it used in various ways. What I'd love to learn though is the art of using TAGs.... As decoys, and things to make the enemy burn tokens to try and remove, only to find out that oh, destroying it doesn't hamper your gameplan... Truth be told though, I initially bought it because it was cool, I don't even know if I had looked at the rules yet before I purchased one...
TAGs can be good distraction pieces but I think many people know to just ignore them unless you make them in-ignorable! That would be the trick I’d like to learn.
The trick to the Zeta is the climbing plus, which makes it worth every point you spend on it. Most tournament tables will have a few buildings just outside your deployment zone in order to provide cover. The Zeta can climb these and shoot down at enemy units in the opposing deployment zone. It's remarkably common for people to put prone troops on a rooftop in order to hide them. The Zeta removes this strategy. It's very, very easy to put people into t1 / t2 loss of lieutenant with a Zeta by exploiting height. Climbing plus TAGs are absurd. The alpha is the best LT in O12. Easily. I've played the faction since they were first released and rarely strayed from the Alpha. The combination of providing 2 regular orders, along with counterintelligence is profoundly good. 24 points for 2 orders is averaging 12 points per order, which is great. It's an effective counter to impersonators, it shoots decently, and discovers well. It's not an aggressive LT but it lets the rest of your list be more aggressive by providing more order flexibility and stopping your opponent stripping your orders. Throw it prone inside a building and leave some order providers to guard it, such as varangians, and you're done. I think the spotlight as ARO strategy is a nice idea but extremely risky in practice. Last time I counted (which to be fair, was in N3), a full 33% of models in the game had stealth. Stealth renders that entire spotlight idea ineffective because they can move past repeaters and provoke no hacking AROs. And the units that usually have stealth tend to be midboard pieces that are in a good position to kill repeaters. I've both played the guided strategy and had it played against me and it's rarely that good, if the opponent uses the correct pieces to threaten the midboard. If they screw up and do get guided then obviously you can go to town. But if they use a camo troop then they can move around with stealth, reveal to shoot, and then even if they get targeted, they can enter a marker state to avoid being shot. Job done. I've found O12 is very swingy at midboard control. They either win big, or lose big. The two Sirius + Gangbuster strategy is a quarter of a list deployed in one of the most dangerous areas of the board, with no marker state, one wound each, and low armour. If the opponent isn't running skirmishers and drop troops then they will absolutely do work. If the opponent is running those troops then they can easily put templates into the rear arc of your PH10 dudes and have the midboard cleared in a few orders. Shotguns gaining a direct template mode is a significant nerf to the Sirius and Gangbuster, when playing against skilled opponents who can use camouflaged troops well. When I was grinding tournaments with O12 I relatively quickly switched to 2 Gangbuster and 1 Sirius. The madtraps are much better defence than the Sirius' remote against the kind of units that are best at killing Gangbusters and Sirius. The madtraps also function if the controller dies, whereas the Sirius remote doesn't. Clearly it's a meta thing and all lists work in some missions against some opponents, but midboard pieces without camo are easily punishable as a general rule.
The climbing plus is a big deal so long as a lot of your terrain enables full cover for a TAG. I haven’t tested it yet but I’m not sure the Wildfire/Kaldstrøm buildings enable that.
I felt the same - I've avoided getting Starmada at the minute to see if things change or a new sec comes out that I prefer. Till then I think I'll stick to Vanilla
There are Starmada units that are great for vanilla. I cannot function without a Lawkeeper but you’re right, most of the Starmada box hasn’t seen the table.
I've found out that Hector with 2 Nyoka HRL is a good ARO fireteam (Hector has the same maximum reach, remember he carries an X-Visor!), but you will need a third basic nyoka/tian gou and maybe a psi-Cop to get to 5 members (unless you want Parvati inside that fireteam, but she wants to go hunting in a haris). Then, the assault haris with Shona, Parvati, and the HMG Nyoka, a pair of Varangian guards, the must have warcor...
@@the_infinitygamer If you feel you can dispense without Hector, Cho is a good alternative. And yeah, the Haris can be marked, but it's otherwise unhackable, has all ranges covered, is quite sturdy, and Andromeda can be quite close to a Fiday in how she messes the enemy's deployments.
I really need to run andromeda more as she did well in one game but I was worried I’d rely on her too much. I feel order starved with Starmada if I don’t take Hector with his +1 LT and Strategos.
@@the_infinitygamer yeah, it's a problem... but 80+pts for 3 orders is not, in the end, THAT critical, unless you want to go for a single Combat Group (in which case, it mitigates the -2 orders from the enemy command token). Also, a Raptor is NCO, which lets Cho's order to be used
I`m currently playing starmada and i have to admit . you have a point there but in my opinion starmada is not about a linkteam at the start of the game but it`s about beeing flexible with your linkteams . use them / form then in reacton to the enemy . And the zeta can be in a good list but you have to use quite cheap units otherwise . And raptors in starmada is quite nice because he has almost the same amount of firepower as a harris or 3 peaple link team , so they are super nice.
Raptors are amazing but they’re just as amazing in vanilla. I like your point about forming and reforming based on opponent decisions but I would run out of command tokens if it happens more than once! I move things into primary command pools a lot.
@@the_infinitygamer I usually take him for the command token and on ht etable i use him as a coc repeater for my cyberghost. and he can use his Nanopulser +1 burst to act as a rush stopper . And even if he doesn`t do anything really . i think hes worth it because of the command token + Strategos L1. And you should bring cho . Yes again shes obvious but she works
Cho is good because of holomask but I find she’s good with Hector as he’s run very aggressively and will likely die. Saladin would stay hidden I think so might not need the back up.
Great video! I love sirius, gangbuster and the omega, so starmada is a no no for me haha also you can add crushers to the mid field, really effective profiles (LRL for example)
Bluecoats are good to protect youre deployment Zone from Impersinators and or Infiltrators. And for this price? I might get one in my CoreLink, just to protecr them. Might also work well on WB and Smoke. Wondering why youre not talking about Tian Ghou though, they are a decent unit. Wildcard Jammer in Fireteam Core with Holomask... And no Varangians? Love them. Youre TAG Problem is "the" TAG Problem. Is worth the price?🤷♂️ Almost a year ago you wanted to know if you should play O12 or Shasvaasti. Now you love the sneaky Profiles of O12... Might as well try Shas again😉
Hahaha that’s a very good point! Maybe Shas would be worth another go. I play against them a lot and their holo shenanigans are annoying. Varangians are excellent units, I love them - especially when paired with an Epsilon.
I'm gonna try a hector core with privati, beta, tian gou, bronze red fury, supported by a bluecoat haris, a tr bot and a free choiche between a varangian or a fuzzbot EVO
I suggest you this list I tried with the zeta g+kEby0xMghPMTIgemV0YYEsAgEKAIWyAQMAAIW0AQMAAIW1AQQAAIW1AQQAAIWuAQEAAIW7AQEAAIW7AQEAAIWnAQUAAIXtAQEAADIBAQACBgCFtAEDAACFtQEEAACFqgEBAACFpwEFAACFNQECAACAwAEBAA==
TR HMG bots only have BS11. Team Sirius cant be part of a coordinated order. But nice video overall, I find it also Impossible to make good Starmada lists :)
So happy I finally found someone who likes to play the faction I'm most interested in! O-12 :). I'm a pretty new player and I was wondering if you have the full list you mentioned in the video? I'd love look it over and see if I can improve my own. (Plus 4 hackers sounds like my style!)
I do love O12, now I just need to win with them 😂. Sure, here’s the army code just load it into the army builder app - g+kAFEJyaW5nIGhvbWUgdGhlIGJhY29ugSwCAQkBhawBAwAChawBAwADhbQBAwAEheIBAQAFhbUBBAAGhf0BAwAHha4BAQAIhbcBAQAJhfoBBQACBAGFuQEBAAKF7QECAAOFugEBAASFtgEBAA==
I think the same, starmada is really a downside of O12 vanilla. The starmada could work if they let us have haris for varangian. And gangbuster or sirius team for support midfield. Even having the epsilon becoming WC only in haris team would be a major bonus for us... Actually he is just useless in starmada. The only reason starmada is worth existing is because they gave us andromeda in vanilla.
An epsilon in a core would be almost the same as some other sectorials. Limit it to a kappa core. Hmm although there are a few wildcards that could make that pretty hardcore.
@@the_infinitygamer well they clearly don't want us to have a fireteam core with the epsilon. So i hope they will gave us the haris. And the haris of varangian ^^' At the release i played a lot of game with 2 varangian and shona in team. Before my local meta saw and inform me it was not in the sacro-fireteamchart.
If people are smart enough, they can figure out who your lieutenant is anyway, especially if they’re your friends.
Friends don’t kill a friend’s LT 😜
Great Vid as usual and, for sure, you have highlighted a problem with I'm struggling from the presentation of Starmada...
Now the challenge for 2021 is to somehow look past the problem and find something that works!
Q: problem with O12. A: starmada
Not far off! Not helped by Vanilla being so good.
Starmarda just has everything that's a little too expensive to have everything you want in there. So many bloated profiles.
I’m giving a few things a go to see if there is a viable option. Fingers crossed!
Keep in mind that Hector has Strategos, which turns both of his LT orders into regular orders. Throw him in a core link with either a Nyoka or Beta trooper, add Parvati for a specialist and a means to doctor/engineer the link member aback up, and sprinkle in some Psi cops for flavour.
With this core link, even if you only build a 10 model list, you'll still be operating on 12 regular orders.
True but limited insertion can now have 2 orders stripped so you can lose that benefit. Plus, don’t you find Parvati very expensive for what you actually get?
@@the_infinitygamer if you've got Hector in Starmada, chances are he's going to be in a link team. You're going to want to be activating that link as your main attack piece, and so you were never going to be able to spend the LT orders on him anyway. So if he didn't have strategos, you'd have 10 orders plus 2 LT orders that are probably going to waste. If you get stripped two orders, you'd now only effectively have 8 orders. But with strategos, you're being stripped from 12 to 10 orders. In that case the strategos + 2 LT orders are your insurance against that command token when going first.
As for Parvati, yeah she is expensive, but consider that if Hector goes down, she has a 75% chance to pick him up to full health (ignoring cube reroll). In a 5 man link she has burst 5 BS 15 SMGs, and a WIP 15 flashpulse, as well as being able to repair the Beta trooper in the link. I see her as being insurance for the link team, as well as a very reliable specialist to hit buttons.
Do you think he’s better as a turn two/three attack piece just in case you lose his orders and go into LoL?
@@the_infinitygamer this is just theory, from me at this point, as I haven't had a chance to play Starmada yet.
From what I've seen, Starmada can castle quite well, so yes, he could be excellent for a big turn two/three push onto the objectives. I've been taking the plasma rifle option because linked plasma can absolutely demolish people
I like the idea of a plasma rifle, might need to look into that one for sure!
Hi Infinity Gamer and Community. I'm brand new to O12 and infinity. Picking it up as all my Malifaux friends have moved over with the start of N4. I listened to the first half of your video and was saying "yeah, yeah I agree!" Writing an O-12 vanilla list feels like you're in a Candy store. Writing a Starmada list feels like you're getting the groceries... One or two treats (they don't have the ones you *really* want) and then try and find the things you need.
Question about Guard though.... Pretty sure it needs LOF so you cant Melee over that wall or around the corner?
Completely agree, vanilla has so many options and it feels hard to make a bad choice - finding good synergies just unlocks even more awesomeness!
Correct guard needs LOF so while hacking doesn’t it’s still a great way of giving your opponent a terrible choice.
@@the_infinitygamer Now you know why sectorials are 'themed'.
If only I could crack the theme of Starmada!
Hi, I started Infinity with the JSA , out of style reasons ( love space samurai & ninjas ). Only to find out that the are a Close combat army with low BS, witch gave me a hard time in a very ranged weapon shot em up game like Infinity. ( main opponents are pan-o , nomads , aleph ) So running at the the enemy was a bit of pain.
But I did learn a lot over time & how to get them into cc or use the limited bs that I have to my advantage.
I’ve gone against JSA a capillary of times and they’re one of the toughest opponents I’ve faced. With infinity tables having so much terrain it’s easy for them to get into CC and destroy key units thus weakening an attack. Look for precision strikes on key units with low cost units and you’ll decimate your opponent.
@@the_infinitygamer Hi, thank you for answering. We did get more terrain over time ( me and my 3 mates ). I have had very good experiences with Shinobu Kitsune, witch singlehandedly went through a aleph & pan O army. Also Rui Shi REM in Smoke with its MSV2 & Spitfire, a evo buffing it with marksman to ignore cover is a nice way to get rid of non msv aro units or link teams.
a good Harris link is Oda + 2 Karakuri (mk12 + shotgun)
core team is Domaru + Tanko.
sry 4 my bad English
I am from German
Your English is better than mine! That sounds like a very powerful list, sounds like you’re doing very well with powerful combinations (MSV2 + Spitfire is BRUTAL!). Sounds like a list I’d be nervous to face 😦
@@the_infinitygamer Thank you for the complements, I had to keep up with what my opponents dished out, so its thanks to them ( my mates ) stepping up and putting out incredible army lists . That's why I came across the Rui Shi (23 points) & the EVO Hacking (15 points) remote & Smoke grenade (Yojimbo) combination. They do hate me for it do. ;)
Oooh that’s a cheap evo hacker, great for tackling AD troopers.
Just getting into Infinity and I decided that the problem with O12 is that they're a bunch of space narcs. 😁 Then I saw that Ariadna had werewolves and I'm like sold!
Hahaha you’re not wrong! Don’t forget Ariadna’s space bear 😉
Nice video. Just one point: Team Sirius can't be part of a coordinated order as peripherals (the dogbot) and the controller can be included in coordinated orders.
Are you sure you can’t coordinated order Team Sirius?
@@the_infinitygamer He is correct. Same thing applies to your beloved Raptors. :)
😦 what!! Can you coordinated order if the peripherals are gone?
@@the_infinitygamer I think the verdict on that is "yes". I'd always double check with an event judge beforehand though.
Phew, coordinated hacks are my new favourite thing so while the dogs don’t last long the controllers are great at a coordinated hack on a key objective.
In some ways, this sounds similar to a lot of issues I'm running into with vanilla versus sectorial for my Haqq force, however we at least have three choices (four if you include Dashat) for such versus just the one. I also definitely feel that TAG conundrum, given that the main TAG I have access to is 81-88/1.5 points, with the light one being 58/1.5. I'm still having a huge conundrum of vanilla versus Hassassin versus Ramah - I love the options...
Gotta say though, they've been knocking it out of the park with the O-12 sculpts, they're so insanely tempting to pick up, even though I've got a massive backlog!
I really want to run a TAG but I just struggle with the points! Maybe I should just run it and see how it performs on the table. Many things don’t make sense when theory crafting but work in game!
@@the_infinitygamer That's an issue I keep running into myself. The murder scorpion (aka Maggie) can be a powerful tool, but I've also seen it used in various ways. What I'd love to learn though is the art of using TAGs.... As decoys, and things to make the enemy burn tokens to try and remove, only to find out that oh, destroying it doesn't hamper your gameplan...
Truth be told though, I initially bought it because it was cool, I don't even know if I had looked at the rules yet before I purchased one...
TAGs can be good distraction pieces but I think many people know to just ignore them unless you make them in-ignorable! That would be the trick I’d like to learn.
The trick to the Zeta is the climbing plus, which makes it worth every point you spend on it. Most tournament tables will have a few buildings just outside your deployment zone in order to provide cover. The Zeta can climb these and shoot down at enemy units in the opposing deployment zone. It's remarkably common for people to put prone troops on a rooftop in order to hide them. The Zeta removes this strategy. It's very, very easy to put people into t1 / t2 loss of lieutenant with a Zeta by exploiting height. Climbing plus TAGs are absurd.
The alpha is the best LT in O12. Easily. I've played the faction since they were first released and rarely strayed from the Alpha. The combination of providing 2 regular orders, along with counterintelligence is profoundly good. 24 points for 2 orders is averaging 12 points per order, which is great. It's an effective counter to impersonators, it shoots decently, and discovers well. It's not an aggressive LT but it lets the rest of your list be more aggressive by providing more order flexibility and stopping your opponent stripping your orders. Throw it prone inside a building and leave some order providers to guard it, such as varangians, and you're done.
I think the spotlight as ARO strategy is a nice idea but extremely risky in practice. Last time I counted (which to be fair, was in N3), a full 33% of models in the game had stealth. Stealth renders that entire spotlight idea ineffective because they can move past repeaters and provoke no hacking AROs. And the units that usually have stealth tend to be midboard pieces that are in a good position to kill repeaters. I've both played the guided strategy and had it played against me and it's rarely that good, if the opponent uses the correct pieces to threaten the midboard. If they screw up and do get guided then obviously you can go to town. But if they use a camo troop then they can move around with stealth, reveal to shoot, and then even if they get targeted, they can enter a marker state to avoid being shot. Job done.
I've found O12 is very swingy at midboard control. They either win big, or lose big. The two Sirius + Gangbuster strategy is a quarter of a list deployed in one of the most dangerous areas of the board, with no marker state, one wound each, and low armour. If the opponent isn't running skirmishers and drop troops then they will absolutely do work. If the opponent is running those troops then they can easily put templates into the rear arc of your PH10 dudes and have the midboard cleared in a few orders. Shotguns gaining a direct template mode is a significant nerf to the Sirius and Gangbuster, when playing against skilled opponents who can use camouflaged troops well. When I was grinding tournaments with O12 I relatively quickly switched to 2 Gangbuster and 1 Sirius. The madtraps are much better defence than the Sirius' remote against the kind of units that are best at killing Gangbusters and Sirius. The madtraps also function if the controller dies, whereas the Sirius remote doesn't. Clearly it's a meta thing and all lists work in some missions against some opponents, but midboard pieces without camo are easily punishable as a general rule.
The climbing plus is a big deal so long as a lot of your terrain enables full cover for a TAG. I haven’t tested it yet but I’m not sure the Wildfire/Kaldstrøm buildings enable that.
@@the_infinitygamer The larger starter set buildings will provide total cover to TAGs
That’s great to hear!
I felt the same - I've avoided getting Starmada at the minute to see if things change or a new sec comes out that I prefer. Till then I think I'll stick to Vanilla
There are Starmada units that are great for vanilla. I cannot function without a Lawkeeper but you’re right, most of the Starmada box hasn’t seen the table.
I am playing the blue coats in a corelink with a bronze as an aro piece.
In my matches this combination is insane.
What else are you running in your core? I hadn’t considered the Bronze at all - I’m going to have to look into that profile a lot more!
It's just a bronze and four blue coates
I'm running this link in an list with the zeta and hector
So in your active turn you have 12 orders on the zeta and the link is your defence
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Have a look and try this list ist so much fun
I've found out that Hector with 2 Nyoka HRL is a good ARO fireteam (Hector has the same maximum reach, remember he carries an X-Visor!), but you will need a third basic nyoka/tian gou and maybe a psi-Cop to get to 5 members (unless you want Parvati inside that fireteam, but she wants to go hunting in a haris). Then, the assault haris with Shona, Parvati, and the HMG Nyoka, a pair of Varangian guards, the must have warcor...
That is definitely epic but it’s a lot of points which is OK if you have the orders but could fall apart to repeaters and mad traps.
@@the_infinitygamer If you feel you can dispense without Hector, Cho is a good alternative.
And yeah, the Haris can be marked, but it's otherwise unhackable, has all ranges covered, is quite sturdy, and Andromeda can be quite close to a Fiday in how she messes the enemy's deployments.
I really need to run andromeda more as she did well in one game but I was worried I’d rely on her too much. I feel order starved with Starmada if I don’t take Hector with his +1 LT and Strategos.
@@the_infinitygamer yeah, it's a problem... but 80+pts for 3 orders is not, in the end, THAT critical, unless you want to go for a single Combat Group (in which case, it mitigates the -2 orders from the enemy command token). Also, a Raptor is NCO, which lets Cho's order to be used
Not anymore. You can have 2 orders stripped from you even if you run a single combat group in N4.
what is that Dropship in the background
?
Not sure sadly!
I`m currently playing starmada and i have to admit . you have a point there but in my opinion starmada is not about a linkteam at the start of the game but it`s about beeing flexible with your linkteams . use them / form then in reacton to the enemy . And the zeta can be in a good list but you have to use quite cheap units otherwise . And raptors in starmada is quite nice because he has almost the same amount of firepower as a harris or 3 peaple link team , so they are super nice.
Raptors are amazing but they’re just as amazing in vanilla. I like your point about forming and reforming based on opponent decisions but I would run out of command tokens if it happens more than once! I move things into primary command pools a lot.
@@the_infinitygamer ik that problem all too well . my solution is saladin . yes he is obvious , but it works
I’ve never tried him as I don’t see his purpose really. How do you use him?
@@the_infinitygamer I usually take him for the command token and on ht etable i use him as a coc repeater for my cyberghost. and he can use his Nanopulser +1 burst to act as a rush stopper . And even if he doesn`t do anything really . i think hes worth it because of the command token + Strategos L1. And you should bring cho . Yes again shes obvious but she works
Cho is good because of holomask but I find she’s good with Hector as he’s run very aggressively and will likely die. Saladin would stay hidden I think so might not need the back up.
The Fireteam I go With is a BetaTrooper Parvati TianGou Nyoman and a Bluecoat
That’s a good fireteam. Might need to give it a try.
Great video! I love sirius, gangbuster and the omega, so starmada is a no no for me haha also you can add crushers to the mid field, really effective profiles (LRL for example)
That’s a good point, I’d forgotten about crushers but they’re an excellent option. We should figure out a way to make Starmada work!
@@the_infinitygamer The Crusher model is _gorgeous_!! How could you forget! You cad!
Bluecoats are good to protect youre deployment Zone from Impersinators and or Infiltrators. And for this price? I might get one in my CoreLink, just to protecr them. Might also work well on WB and Smoke.
Wondering why youre not talking about Tian Ghou though, they are a decent unit. Wildcard Jammer in Fireteam Core with Holomask...
And no Varangians? Love them.
Youre TAG Problem is "the" TAG Problem. Is worth the price?🤷♂️
Almost a year ago you wanted to know if you should play O12 or Shasvaasti. Now you love the sneaky Profiles of O12... Might as well try Shas again😉
Hahaha that’s a very good point! Maybe Shas would be worth another go. I play against them a lot and their holo shenanigans are annoying. Varangians are excellent units, I love them - especially when paired with an Epsilon.
Yeah, especially with the Epsilon! Wish there were a Coreoption with him, but that would be to hard😅
That would be brutal 😅
I'm gonna try a hector core with privati, beta, tian gou, bronze red fury, supported by a bluecoat haris, a tr bot and a free choiche between a varangian or a fuzzbot EVO
That is a hard hitting list! Do you think you’ll get more than one group out of it?
I suggest you this list I tried with the zeta g+kEby0xMghPMTIgemV0YYEsAgEKAIWyAQMAAIW0AQMAAIW1AQQAAIW1AQQAAIWuAQEAAIW7AQEAAIW7AQEAAIWnAQUAAIXtAQEAADIBAQACBgCFtAEDAACFtQEEAACFqgEBAACFpwEFAACFNQECAACAwAEBAA==
Anyone know what that aircraft/transport in the background is?
UD12 Chickenhawk dropship
Looks so cool
@@elessar8522 where can I get one?
TR HMG bots only have BS11.
Team Sirius cant be part of a coordinated order. But nice video overall, I find it also Impossible to make good Starmada lists :)
You are correct on both counts! I’m now finding that a Starmada list without Hector is near impossible 😂
First =) I've been wanting to play o12 since I got into infinity and this was good to know
Yay!! Well done on grabbing the top spot.
So happy I finally found someone who likes to play the faction I'm most interested in! O-12 :).
I'm a pretty new player and I was wondering if you have the full list you mentioned in the video? I'd love look it over and see if I can improve my own. (Plus 4 hackers sounds like my style!)
I do love O12, now I just need to win with them 😂. Sure, here’s the army code just load it into the army builder app - g+kAFEJyaW5nIGhvbWUgdGhlIGJhY29ugSwCAQkBhawBAwAChawBAwADhbQBAwAEheIBAQAFhbUBBAAGhf0BAwAHha4BAQAIhbcBAQAJhfoBBQACBAGFuQEBAAKF7QECAAOFugEBAASFtgEBAA==
@@the_infinitygamer Thanks! Gonna test it out on Tabletop simulator :)
Nice!! Let me know how it goes - getting spotlight off in ARO is excellent by the way 😉
I think the same, starmada is really a downside of O12 vanilla.
The starmada could work if they let us have haris for varangian.
And gangbuster or sirius team for support midfield.
Even having the epsilon becoming WC only in haris team would be a major bonus for us...
Actually he is just useless in starmada.
The only reason starmada is worth existing is because they gave us andromeda in vanilla.
An epsilon in a core would be almost the same as some other sectorials. Limit it to a kappa core. Hmm although there are a few wildcards that could make that pretty hardcore.
@@the_infinitygamer well they clearly don't want us to have a fireteam core with the epsilon.
So i hope they will gave us the haris.
And the haris of varangian ^^'
At the release i played a lot of game with 2 varangian and shona in team.
Before my local meta saw and inform me it was not in the sacro-fireteamchart.
Yeah it was a big mistake in the army builder. That would have been a very good Harris!!
Agree with this. Starmada box content isn't bad, but the list is bad
Currently my struggle but then I feel it’s just me missing something.
Another good vid!
Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
Getting the guided to BS19 may seem good... But really not worth it. Hitting on 18s is sufficient, use those resources elsewhere IMHO.
Valid point, it is a bit of overkill but could be good against something with dodge bonuses so pretty situational.