I don't think this is a great take to be honest. This movie has so many twists and turns, red herrings and clues thrown at the viewer that it is arguably a more complicated plot than the first with all it's moving pieces. The characters that Benoit is investigating are dumb and the eventual solution is relatively easy, but the movie itself is far from dumb. Put this up against nearly every major release this year, and it stands head and shoulders above them in terms of wit, twists, red herrings and the sheer number of clues thrown at the audience. It's definitely a clever movie. I think you're right that it's not quite as clever as the previous but it's not far off.
Totally a fair take. I guess what I didn’t really do a good job of communicating is that I think it’s more clever than the first because it feels intentionally written to be dumber and almost like a satiric on the first film. The more thought I’ve given it, the more I really think it’s the superior of the two. But I will definitely defend my part of the take that I think Johnson intentionally made a worse movie as a commentary piece. Granted, short of actually being able to ask him myself; it’s all here say haha. Love the feedback, and I think you have a good take here.
No the movie is definitely dumb. The killer is incredibly obvious and then the movie wastes 45 minutes trying to convince us something surprising is going to happen only to have the reveal be exactly what I expected.
It’s the dumbness vs the intelligence that makes this movie shine. And I heartily disagree the characters over lap. That argument requires a very thin veneer to hold weight. No sticking that arguments landing on this one.
Something that makes this movie plot go full circle is how Benoit discovers the “complex” mystery that a paid writer did in seconds, while something simple and stupid took him almost the whole movie to discover, just like he said, simplicity is his weakness.
Spoilers. About an hour in I was like, “it’s too obvious that Ed Norton is the killer, it must be more complex than that.” And it wasn’t. I guess that was the point, that it’s so simple but that just seems lazy. I wanted the sister to not actually be real, that it was actually just Andi who survived the murder attempt and was now going to get revenge on the rest of them.
It's a mistake to say the film has no message. The message is "Rich people are idiots." The crime is easy to solve because the criminal isn't very clever. And the parallel with the first movie is apt. For the second time, Benoit Blanc uses his detecting skills in aid of a nice and likeable young woman against the combined forces of greedy, scheming liars. That's a great formula to repeat.
What about destroying millions of dollars in property and priceless art all while nearly killing multiple people during an unhinged tantrum is likable?
I think the humor and clever plot twists in Knives Out far outshines this tepid entry. The script thrusts knives in the hypocrisy of wealth gained by greed. However, it's like the cast is laughing up its sleeves at the inane plot.
Hmm. Why wouldn't Miles just send Blanc home, watch 'Andi' like a hawk, unalive her at first opportunity, and light his big billionaire cigar with the magic napkin? Who cares if his underlings find out? He has them under his financial thumb. "Bad guy dumb" is the only thing driving this plot, and it's very tiring.
This movie is 👎👎. For one thing: Hack writer Johnson attempts to excuse his bad writing with saying the killer is just an “idiot,” and this character doesn't even call out that someone he recently killed shows up to his island. Lazy cop out, followed by hard face palm!🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Why would he call out that he recently killed someone? The others didn’t know anything about Andi’s death, why would he announce that he killed her and her sister is attempting to take her place?
@@user-NameName His intention as soon as she set foot on the island was to kill her. He had no need to tell her to “f*** off” if his goal was to kill her and cover his tracks.
@@Anonymous-hn7vx Tell me what part of the plot required him to keep both her and the best detective in the world on the island when he doesn't even have an invitation.
@@user-NameName Why would he kick Andi (Helen) off the island? He literally sent Andi a puzzle box like all the others. He was the one who killed Andi, but the rest of the group didn’t know that, so he most likely set up the murder game as some sort of alibi to make him look less suspicious. No one would suspect that he had anything to do with Andi’s death if he invited her to his murder game “unaware” that she was dead. What he wasn’t expecting was for her to actually show up. He couldn’t just kick her off the island after inviting her there because it would’ve made him look suspicious. As for Blanc, Miles wasn’t aware of why he was on the island in the first place, and didn’t even know he was coming until they all arrived on his island. He pulled him aside and asked why he was there, to which he responded that someone had reset their puzzle box and delivered it to him. Based on this information, Miles deduces that Helen must have reset her box and delivered it to Blanc so that he would show up on the island. However, the boat that had transported them there was already gone, so he couldn’t have just sent him back. So he decides to just enact his plan to kill Helen while Blanc was still on the island, and yes, that is a little stupid… but that’s the whole point of Miles’s character.
I like when she put her prints all over the button that causes the glass to go down right before it’s destroyed which will inevitably cause her to be blamed for destroying it.
Spoilers If Johnson is such a genius how come I knew Edward Norton was the killer just because he’s the only straight white male suspect? Johnson thinks he’s a subversive genius but really he is a predictable hack with no subtlety at all.
Thank you: finally someone that thought it was a step back from the first one and I felt quiet similar about it. & the murder was so clear at the second murder. But I think your interpretation as the movie is a critic of ghe genre itself could be correct and was shown even in the beginning with the box. All of the cast impressed with it but it is the grandmother that knows the solution and the way in was solved by smashing it. Rian Johnson likes to destroy stereotype anyway. He said in a interview he prefers a movie were the ones hatting it to loving is 50/50 and how he did last Jedi.
The best part is all the critics and fans feeding into the very title of the movie "glass onion" by calling it super genius and genuinely a better movie than the first. I think the possibility that he made a satirical movie on purpose just to see that "glass onion" response is incredibly spot on, otherwise, this would've just been a really bad movie.
I almost think that the “genius” realization at the end of this video is a satirical reaction to the perception of “genius” in the movie. Just like in the movie, when Birdie says “It’s so dumb it’s brilliant”, and Blanc says, “No!! It’s just dumb”.
I do dislike the ending but I don't think it stems from some sort of genius but because Johnson had the actually good idea to have Blanc be like "yeah, sorry, I can't do more for you than this" because billionaires generally do not get held accountable. But that in itself would be a tonally weird ending for this kind of movie, as would Helen just killing Miles (which Johnson is also probably too much of a lib for). And so they did this weird bs where some silly stuff is supposed to be the revenge. And the other characters change their minds because they have to in order to get Miles to actually go to jail. I don't think trying to read anything into this about it being bad and destroying art is anything but your projection, and I'm not even sure it genuinely is that or you just bs around. That being said, I disagree with your assessment that the characters are the same as in Knives Out. These people did throw others (namely Andy) under the bus for personal gain but not out of the sense of narcissistic entitlement. Not every egoistic decision is narcissism. The only narcissist is Miles, who is also very different from Ransom. I agree that they should not have been rehabilitated but they seem to be more of an afterthought. Also; it's not really a mystery. Neither was knives out. If you have a story with 5 characters who get the same amount of attemtion and one major character and they all are suspects, the major character is the killer or it's a bad story. It was also structurally pretty different from knives out with like a block of about 30% of the movie being one huge flashback.
Yes a genius he has biggest plot holes imageable within the entire plot of the film. For the twin sister to think she could just show up, acting as her dead sister, ...and the person who murdered her sister, would simply not notice is brain dead level writing. To think Ed Nortons character didn't make the connection that the world best detective got the box from the person who he murdered... and then further invites him stay around and hang out, is brain dead.
It's not brain dead. She and Benoit knew and maybe even hoped she would dig out the murderer by arriving there. Ed Norton is certainly the most shocked that she is there, his reaction is actually quite strong and makes sense when you know the full context. But for the rest of the movie he is scrambling to cover his tracks. His best course of action is to try and act as normal as he can as he can't speak up or even show his hand as he would make himself the prime suspect in the murder. Obviously they are extremely lucky that, that the gun shot didn't kill Andi's twin. But they certainly knew the risk going in.
they mentioned everything you mentioned. It's exactly why Miles looks so confused when she shows up. (Which gave it away for me the moment it happened)
Kinda the point if you think about it The name of the movie literally explains it. The more you peel the more Layers there are to the mystery but because the onion is glass you can see through it and see what's in the middle your too focused on all the clues but don't think about what's right in front of you. Hiding in plain sight Thats how I viewed the movie
I don't think this is a great take to be honest. This movie has so many twists and turns, red herrings and clues thrown at the viewer that it is arguably a more complicated plot than the first with all it's moving pieces. The characters that Benoit is investigating are dumb and the eventual solution is relatively easy, but the movie itself is far from dumb.
Put this up against nearly every major release this year, and it stands head and shoulders above them in terms of wit, twists, red herrings and the sheer number of clues thrown at the audience. It's definitely a clever movie. I think you're right that it's not quite as clever as the previous but it's not far off.
Totally a fair take. I guess what I didn’t really do a good job of communicating is that I think it’s more clever than the first because it feels intentionally written to be dumber and almost like a satiric on the first film.
The more thought I’ve given it, the more I really think it’s the superior of the two. But I will definitely defend my part of the take that I think Johnson intentionally made a worse movie as a commentary piece. Granted, short of actually being able to ask him myself; it’s all here say haha.
Love the feedback, and I think you have a good take here.
No the movie is definitely dumb. The killer is incredibly obvious and then the movie wastes 45 minutes trying to convince us something surprising is going to happen only to have the reveal be exactly what I expected.
It’s the dumbness vs the intelligence that makes this movie shine. And I heartily disagree the characters over lap. That argument requires a very thin veneer to hold weight. No sticking that arguments landing on this one.
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This movie is genius if your IQ is below 50
Something that makes this movie plot go full circle is how Benoit discovers the “complex” mystery that a paid writer did in seconds, while something simple and stupid took him almost the whole movie to discover, just like he said, simplicity is his weakness.
That doesn’t make sense. He calls the fake murder mystery trivial and can solve it immediately.
Spoilers.
About an hour in I was like, “it’s too obvious that Ed Norton is the killer, it must be more complex than that.” And it wasn’t. I guess that was the point, that it’s so simple but that just seems lazy. I wanted the sister to not actually be real, that it was actually just Andi who survived the murder attempt and was now going to get revenge on the rest of them.
Hollywood is the only place where you can intentionally make something shallow and unintelligent and get praise and millions of dollars for it.
It's a mistake to say the film has no message. The message is "Rich people are idiots." The crime is easy to solve because the criminal isn't very clever. And the parallel with the first movie is apt. For the second time, Benoit Blanc uses his detecting skills in aid of a nice and likeable young woman against the combined forces of greedy, scheming liars. That's a great formula to repeat.
What about destroying millions of dollars in property and priceless art all while nearly killing multiple people during an unhinged tantrum is likable?
I think the humor and clever plot twists in Knives Out far outshines this tepid entry. The script thrusts knives in the hypocrisy of wealth gained by greed. However, it's like the cast is laughing up its sleeves at the inane plot.
There’s nothing clever or reconstructive about writing something worse, intentional or not.
Hmm. Why wouldn't Miles just send Blanc home, watch 'Andi' like a hawk, unalive her at first opportunity, and light his big billionaire cigar with the magic napkin? Who cares if his underlings find out? He has them under his financial thumb.
"Bad guy dumb" is the only thing driving this plot, and it's very tiring.
This movie is 👎👎. For one thing: Hack writer Johnson attempts to excuse his bad writing with saying the killer is just an “idiot,” and this character doesn't even call out that someone he recently killed shows up to his island. Lazy cop out, followed by hard face palm!🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Why would he call out that he recently killed someone? The others didn’t know anything about Andi’s death, why would he announce that he killed her and her sister is attempting to take her place?
@@nanonerd2845 Do you think it was impossible for him to tell her to f*ck off without screaming that he murdered someone at the top of his lungs?
@@user-NameName His intention as soon as she set foot on the island was to kill her. He had no need to tell her to “f*** off” if his goal was to kill her and cover his tracks.
@@Anonymous-hn7vx Tell me what part of the plot required him to keep both her and the best detective in the world on the island when he doesn't even have an invitation.
@@user-NameName Why would he kick Andi (Helen) off the island? He literally sent Andi a puzzle box like all the others. He was the one who killed Andi, but the rest of the group didn’t know that, so he most likely set up the murder game as some sort of alibi to make him look less suspicious. No one would suspect that he had anything to do with Andi’s death if he invited her to his murder game “unaware” that she was dead. What he wasn’t expecting was for her to actually show up. He couldn’t just kick her off the island after inviting her there because it would’ve made him look suspicious.
As for Blanc, Miles wasn’t aware of why he was on the island in the first place, and didn’t even know he was coming until they all arrived on his island. He pulled him aside and asked why he was there, to which he responded that someone had reset their puzzle box and delivered it to him. Based on this information, Miles deduces that Helen must have reset her box and delivered it to Blanc so that he would show up on the island. However, the boat that had transported them there was already gone, so he couldn’t have just sent him back. So he decides to just enact his plan to kill Helen while Blanc was still on the island, and yes, that is a little stupid… but that’s the whole point of Miles’s character.
It's a damn smart movie... I love the Mona Lisa covering and uncovering itself as the movie progresses.
I like when she put her prints all over the button that causes the glass to go down right before it’s destroyed which will inevitably cause her to be blamed for destroying it.
Haven't watched any of your reviews, but respectfully I couldn't have imagined a more off-target take than this.
Knives Out is a much sharper movie overall. The denouement of Glass Onions is a bit anti-climatic and the motive(s) are muddled.
They’re both shit. There’s literally a character that throws up when she lies and the world’s greatest detective never takes advantage of it.
Spoilers
If Johnson is such a genius how come I knew Edward Norton was the killer just because he’s the only straight white male suspect? Johnson thinks he’s a subversive genius but really he is a predictable hack with no subtlety at all.
Thank you: finally someone that thought it was a step back from the first one and I felt quiet similar about it. & the murder was so clear at the second murder.
But I think your interpretation as the movie is a critic of ghe genre itself could be correct and was shown even in the beginning with the box. All of the cast impressed with it but it is the grandmother that knows the solution and the way in was solved by smashing it.
Rian Johnson likes to destroy stereotype anyway. He said in a interview he prefers a movie were the ones hatting it to loving is 50/50 and how he did last Jedi.
The best part is all the critics and fans feeding into the very title of the movie "glass onion" by calling it super genius and genuinely a better movie than the first. I think the possibility that he made a satirical movie on purpose just to see that "glass onion" response is incredibly spot on, otherwise, this would've just been a really bad movie.
I almost think that the “genius” realization at the end of this video is a satirical reaction to the perception of “genius” in the movie. Just like in the movie, when Birdie says “It’s so dumb it’s brilliant”, and Blanc says, “No!! It’s just dumb”.
I do dislike the ending but I don't think it stems from some sort of genius but because Johnson had the actually good idea to have Blanc be like "yeah, sorry, I can't do more for you than this" because billionaires generally do not get held accountable. But that in itself would be a tonally weird ending for this kind of movie, as would Helen just killing Miles (which Johnson is also probably too much of a lib for). And so they did this weird bs where some silly stuff is supposed to be the revenge. And the other characters change their minds because they have to in order to get Miles to actually go to jail.
I don't think trying to read anything into this about it being bad and destroying art is anything but your projection, and I'm not even sure it genuinely is that or you just bs around.
That being said, I disagree with your assessment that the characters are the same as in Knives Out. These people did throw others (namely Andy) under the bus for personal gain but not out of the sense of narcissistic entitlement. Not every egoistic decision is narcissism. The only narcissist is Miles, who is also very different from Ransom.
I agree that they should not have been rehabilitated but they seem to be more of an afterthought.
Also; it's not really a mystery. Neither was knives out. If you have a story with 5 characters who get the same amount of attemtion and one major character and they all are suspects, the major character is the killer or it's a bad story.
It was also structurally pretty different from knives out with like a block of about 30% of the movie being one huge flashback.
Setting out to make something shallow isn’t impressive nor is it worthy of praise.
Yes a genius he has biggest plot holes imageable within the entire plot of the film. For the twin sister to think she could just show up, acting as her dead sister, ...and the person who murdered her sister, would simply not notice is brain dead level writing. To think Ed Nortons character didn't make the connection that the world best detective got the box from the person who he murdered... and then further invites him stay around and hang out, is brain dead.
It's not brain dead. She and Benoit knew and maybe even hoped she would dig out the murderer by arriving there. Ed Norton is certainly the most shocked that she is there, his reaction is actually quite strong and makes sense when you know the full context. But for the rest of the movie he is scrambling to cover his tracks. His best course of action is to try and act as normal as he can as he can't speak up or even show his hand as he would make himself the prime suspect in the murder.
Obviously they are extremely lucky that, that the gun shot didn't kill Andi's twin. But they certainly knew the risk going in.
they mentioned everything you mentioned. It's exactly why Miles looks so confused when she shows up. (Which gave it away for me the moment it happened)
@@devin_leary lol exactly, the poster of the original comment missed the point entirely
@@josephwalker6209 lol yeah, this whole movie went over the dudes head.
Bro are you just going around to every Glass Onion video comment section trying to pick fights lmao
I knew who the killer was about 45 minutes in...
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Congratulations, well done you. What do you want, an an iPad? 😄
@@nomophobe I loved that part! 😂
Tbf it wasn't hard to figure out, especially if you've seen the first one.
Kinda the point if you think about it
The name of the movie literally explains it.
The more you peel the more Layers there are to the mystery but because the onion is glass you can see through it and see what's in the middle your too focused on all the clues but don't think about what's right in front of you. Hiding in plain sight
Thats how I viewed the movie
so should I watch jt lmao
YES - and in theaters.
@@itsattractive No - it’s as shallow and pointless as the director thinks it is