Just loaded the Infinity yesterday. Massive upgrade to the 50! Great work on the kits and on this tutorial Alan. The hands on walk through is really very helpful. Cheers!
The Infinity pack is awesome. Been playing around with it since release. Love this tutorial. Very helpful. Still working on trying to get a Phil Collins later era Genesis studio kit and a Copeland one too.
Wow! What a fantastic tutorial... I just love the Roland TD50 series and all the possibilities they offer. I will definitely "upgrade" to Roland products now that I have more money to invest in this. (Been using Alesis up to now and I guess it will be Bye Bye pretty soon but, hey, Alesis is not too bad for the money) Anyways... I saw Led Zep live here in Montreal probably 3 or 4 times starting way back in 69. I'm a drummer and I can tell you, man, I was laughing all through this tutorial at how close you get to the original Bonzo sound. (revised and modern) Classic vintage big ludwig sound that only Bonzo mastered at the time (late 60's and early 70's) I'll always remember how that 24 inch bass drum sounded like in the Montreal Forum. Just like a Cannon! Your Bass drum in all its 24 inch glory is fantastic and so is the snare, toms, Hi-Hat cymbals. Especially reflects I think the original studio sessions for was it the fourth album, Led Zeppelin IV ? where they recorded the drums in that manor in england and through some trial and error or should I say "experimenting" came up with such a unique sound for Bonzo's drums. Thanks for this tutorial, you really know your stuff with that module.
Thanks for making this Al, this weekend has been my 1st few shows using the new pack in my cover-band and we have found it so great to work with and easier than ever to switch between different kits throughout our sets, sure a few adjustments are needed but compared to stock Vdrums kits over the years it’s a dream to use. Looking forward to diving deeper into the pack and model kits to really enhance our sets. Cheers mate Adam
Would love some info (pics, vids, links, etc.) on your kit.. & hardware. How you managed getting all those cymbals around the rack. Learning so much from you! Thank you! Keep up the great work!
Hey Alan, this is so awesome, thank you very much for your effort! Your tutorial made me change other kits and the Infinity Pack is made for that! But one thing is still very difficult for me. Could you do a tutorial on how to use reference tracks to create a sound that sounds the way you want it? I think it's absolutely impressive how you do it in the video here! Thank you and best regards from Germany 😊
I just wanna say , thanks for taking the time to make these videos that are greatly appreciated by myself. They are very insightful for a beginner like myself . I have a question, are you playing through a mixer ? I noticed your master volume was maxed out . Or could you so kindly describe your setup ? Thanks again
I run master out to my interface and record in Studio One. The master at full volume to the interface is fine. It runs at line level. As long as you don't engage phantom power, it expects line level. This usually brings it in at a good level to work with.
Great vid and some seriously nice technique! Master Bonham and you’ve mastered drumming. I tend to play more hard rock / heavy metal - this new Infitiy has some nice ones but have you ever considered trying to do a more all-encompassing release & reproduce some more famous heavier kits? It seems like these VDrums don't get accepted much in the more heavier music genres, it'd be nice to change that a little. Examples: Metallica (older), Rush, Slayer (Lombardo), Keith Moon, Dream Theater (Portnoy), Tool, Iron Maiden, Van Halen, Ian Paice, Phil Rudd, Ginger Baker, Pantera... off the top of my head. and you already got this Bonzo kit to start! 😉 Anyways, just some ideas. I'm sure you've already done something with a few of these guys in mind already but a HEAVY pack or something similar would certainly make ME happy... Anyways, Thanks for all you do, you make these vdrums go from good to AWESOME!
@@VExpressionsLTD That is some GREAT news! I'll keep on the lookout for it & I know a couple other drummers who will welcome that news as well.. & THANK YOU!!
Alan, do I understand correctly that your infinity expansion only makes use of the standard instruments that are available on the stock TD-50? In other words: if one would become very very good at using all the TD 50 features, would one be able to get very similar results? No offense though, I can see that a lot of knowledge and effort has been put in this, and I'll surely consider getting this pack once I've obtained my TD 50 upgrade and playing around a bit myself first!
We currently completely re-engineer the internal samples, as we would in a real studio. The 50 is immensely powerful, with the right experience. We bring that experience to the table for those who may not have it.
@@VExpressionsLTD Yes I think you are doing an awesome job and it's great to get a bit of insight in how you approach this modelling process. I was just wondering as a programmer if there are other things you can do besides the use of module settings such as programming your own instruments as an addition to the available module instruments.
You can add samples, but I personally am not a fan. Roland modules do not allow multi-velocity sample import. Thus, you get one-shot results. This means that you will always have the transient of the sample (although, with dynamic volume changes), and many people feel it only adds to the machine gun effect. I agree. It is possible to "blend" user samples under internal sounds; but again, you'll still hear the transient and it will not sound natural. Again, just my personal opinion. Sample loading really only makes sense for some specific instruments, like rides and kicks... in my opinion.
@@VExpressionsLTD Yes, I figured that the more you can hear of your added sample, the less flexible you are in making adjustments. I tried the TD 50 in a store and was a bit underwhelmed with especially the snare sounds but it is very nice to hear what you have been able to do with them!
It's a night and day difference. Roland spends next to no time on creating kits. They're basically built by artists during the R&D testing phase. We've offered numerous times to create default kits, but they won't take the offer. That's fine. 😉😂
@@VExpressionsLTD forgive me as I am new to this. Where do I get it, how to I implement it? Is this compatible with the TD17 (that is the unit I have). I would love to be able to toy with having a few bonham sets. I have the original ludwig he played in 75-76 (amber and all) but my neighbors dont like it so much. Sorry to be a bit illiterate on how this works but I assure you I am tech savvy. Thank you.
BOSE Quiet Comfort II (2nd edition). I still got mine from umpteen years ago. they can be had on ebay for about $40. not bad considering they were $300 at the time of release.
Hi Allen, Great tutorial. I recently bought the Professional Expansion Pack but haven't gone through it yet. I was wondering if you have done, or would consider doing a Bonzo kit for the Mimic Pro?
@@VExpressionsLTD thanks. Im aware the td 50 provides more editing options. I plan on purchasing packs to focus on playing. Do the sound quality/accuracy make a big difference between a td 27 and td 50 module? Drum tec offers a custom combination of a td 50 with vad 503. Might consider it
I'm sure there's something you might be able to work with, but it will be much more work as Professional is designed as more of an acoustic pack. Origins is more warm, was our first release, and the Bonzo kit is always in high demand. Thus, it went in the first release.
I’m new to what you do so pardon the question. I like my SD3. I’ve been making my own presets. Let’s suppose I have a TD50 and your immersion I was looking at this morning. I have a 👌 perfect creation of Bohnams “Levee” in my SD3. Can I copy it to your immersion so that it can be in the right side list like a song list? If I can I could do all my favs into that list for live play but we’re made by me. I’m sure I’m not saying this correctly. Tell me .
The 50 is not designed to "load VST kits". You could only create your own samples to load into the module that would act as one-shot polys, which will sound terrible in comparison. You're better off triggering that kit as needed, and using our kits directly in the module.
Alan, do you foresee an "Infinity" type expansion for the TD-17KVX, or can this Bonzo kit be emulated from the Series 3 pack, following these steps in this vid?
I'm in the middle of production on the next 50 installment, but I will consider attempting an Infinity-like pack for the 17. The main (HUGE) bumps in the road are the major engine differences in the modules. They do not share the "exact" same instrument list, and the 17 lacks all effects at the pad/instrument level. That's a MAJOR issue for creating something like Infinity. Additionally, at the Master level, the EQ effects are completely watered down (just treble & bass options), and there's no compressor. A compressor and EQ fine-tuning at both levels are extremely important for all this. That said, I may consider "something" for the 17. Chris still has plans for more expansions as well. He's just been wrapped up with his band. They're a big full-time traveling circus. :D
@@VExpressionsLTD thx for the prompt reply. understood..like trying to make a silk purse out of a sal's ear, so to speak. lol sure would be nice to pick up a copy of that next "50" with a Bonzo facsimile in there somewhere, tho. btw, excellent playing.
@@ultrakool Thank you! The next 50 pack WILL have a couple of Bonham kits on it. Totally started from the ground up. Better than the psuedo versions so far (those weren't really supposed to "emulate" Bonzo), and far better than the video quickie above. :)
The Command is capable of loading samples; so (assuming you’re talking about our VEX Bonham kit) you would need to record the kit sounds from the Roland module to a DAW, convert them per the Command’s needed file specifications, and then transfer them to your Command per its manual’s instructions. Of course, you should own both modules to do this “legally”. ;)
Seems you may not understand how the Roland engine works. Roland does use a single sample for each zone. Although, they do blend head/edge/rimshot in some cases. The engine determines and varies impact, attack, dynamics, decay, etc. based on your velocity and position on the head. Thus, you hear each strike as a slightly different resulting samples. If you listen to me play, you will be able to hear what I’ve just described. So, one could describe the engine sound results as a pseudo-round-robin sound. You don’t get the same sound “just quieter”. The engine completely varies each stroke’s sound.
@@VExpressionsLTD thanks, sorry i think you answered my previous question, that was me being a bit of an idiot, as i should have just made another comment. thanks for the reply though, this was very helpful, and when i upgrade my module to a td50, ill likely be buying the infinity pack, although that relies on the new question. sounds absolutely great!
Glad I could help! Yes, I apparently answered a message I received in email for this comment that you may have reposted or edited. Just glad I could help.
When you pay this kind of money for an electronic drum set. you want to set the kit up and and push one button that says John Bonham and it sounds like this right out of the box with no work. along with a 100 other kits that are just as good. but Roland's kits don't even sound real. you have to buy samples from other companies to get realistic acoustic sounding drums. how many years is Roland going to make electronic drum sets before they give you realistic sounding drums right out of the box.
they give you a platform to work with , what did you do when you brought an acoustic kit did go back to the maker and say "hey this sound is nothing like i want " or did you make changes and built the sound (kit)you wanted ? obviously Roland cant program a "Bonham kit " for you there would be copyright issues and a fee would have to be paid
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The Stock sounds are templates. You dont play them, you create from them, just like this video. Well Done Alan.
Just loaded the Infinity yesterday. Massive upgrade to the 50! Great work on the kits and on this tutorial Alan. The hands on walk through is really very helpful. Cheers!
I love my TD-50, after having one for a year I exclusively record all my drum parts in the various projects.I am interested in this infinity pack.
The Infinity pack is awesome. Been playing around with it since release.
Love this tutorial. Very helpful. Still working on trying to get a Phil Collins later era Genesis studio kit and a Copeland one too.
I agree, a Copeland kit is on my todo list too. Let me know how you go, loving the new pack.
It took a while but it was worthwhile to wait for the John Bonham tweaked drum sound! Wow 👍🏾
very very helpful, way more educational than any roland manual. thank you, can’t wait to perfect my infinity kit
I Hated the TD50 sounds, but you make this thing sounds goog!
The Stock sounds are templates. You dont play them, you create from them, just like this video.
Just preordered my TD50K2 and will follow the tutorial when I get it. Thanks
Awesome! 🙂
Wow! What a fantastic tutorial...
I just love the Roland TD50 series and all the possibilities they offer.
I will definitely "upgrade" to Roland products now that I have more money to invest in this.
(Been using Alesis up to now and I guess it will be Bye Bye pretty soon but, hey, Alesis is not too bad
for the money) Anyways...
I saw Led Zep live here in Montreal probably 3 or 4 times starting way back in 69.
I'm a drummer and I can tell you, man, I was laughing all through this tutorial at how close
you get to the original Bonzo sound. (revised and modern) Classic vintage big ludwig sound that only Bonzo
mastered at the time (late 60's and early 70's)
I'll always remember how that 24 inch bass drum sounded like in the Montreal Forum. Just like a Cannon!
Your Bass drum in all its 24 inch glory is fantastic and so is the snare, toms, Hi-Hat cymbals.
Especially reflects I think the original studio sessions for was it the fourth album, Led Zeppelin IV ?
where they recorded the drums in that manor in england and through some trial and error or should I say
"experimenting" came up with such a unique sound for Bonzo's drums.
Thanks for this tutorial, you really know your stuff with that module.
Thanks for making this Al, this weekend has been my 1st few shows using the new pack in my cover-band and we have found it so great to work with and easier than ever to switch between different kits throughout our sets, sure a few adjustments are needed but compared to stock Vdrums kits over the years it’s a dream to use. Looking forward to diving deeper into the pack and model kits to really enhance our sets.
Cheers mate
Adam
Thanks for the kudos!
super cool video, great smooth drummer, good explanation...
Awesome! Great Job Alan! I'm going to purchase it today.
Thank you for such a fantastic product that you provide
I love the sounds I'm getting with the Infinity pack. I am totally clueless as to how to use all fo the features in the TD-50.
Glad you like it! I will be doing more videos like this down the road. I'm just busy developing our next release.
Would love some info (pics, vids, links, etc.) on your kit.. & hardware. How you managed getting all those cymbals around the rack. Learning so much from you! Thank you! Keep up the great work!
Hey Alan, this is so awesome, thank you very much for your effort!
Your tutorial made me change other kits and the Infinity Pack is made for that!
But one thing is still very difficult for me. Could you do a tutorial on how to use reference tracks to create a sound that sounds the way you want it? I think it's absolutely impressive how you do it in the video here!
Thank you and best regards from Germany 😊
I just wanna say , thanks for taking the time to make these videos that are greatly appreciated by myself. They are very insightful for a beginner like myself . I have a question, are you playing through a mixer ? I noticed your master volume was maxed out . Or could you so kindly describe your setup ? Thanks again
I run master out to my interface and record in Studio One. The master at full volume to the interface is fine. It runs at line level. As long as you don't engage phantom power, it expects line level. This usually brings it in at a good level to work with.
Another great video Alan thank you!
Great video man truly question for you what is the easiest way to record from my TD 50 while playing along with my iPhone?
By a small interface for your PC and download Reaper.
@@VExpressionsLTD so I’ve never done this kind of thing before please excuse my dumb questions what type of interface?
Audio interface. Just run the master out to the interface. There are lots of videos on TH-cam to follow.
Easiest way is an iRig 2
Great vid and some seriously nice technique! Master Bonham and you’ve mastered drumming.
I tend to play more hard rock / heavy metal - this new Infitiy has some nice ones but have you ever considered trying to do a more all-encompassing release & reproduce some more famous heavier kits? It seems like these VDrums don't get accepted much in the more heavier music genres, it'd be nice to change that a little.
Examples: Metallica (older), Rush, Slayer (Lombardo), Keith Moon, Dream Theater (Portnoy), Tool, Iron Maiden, Van Halen, Ian Paice, Phil Rudd, Ginger Baker, Pantera... off the top of my head. and you already got this Bonzo kit to start! 😉
Anyways, just some ideas. I'm sure you've already done something with a few of these guys in mind already but a HEAVY pack or something similar would certainly make ME happy...
Anyways, Thanks for all you do, you make these vdrums go from good to AWESOME!
Coming very soon. 😉
@@VExpressionsLTD That is some GREAT news! I'll keep on the lookout for it & I know a couple other drummers who will welcome that news as well.. & THANK YOU!!
Yes!!!
Awesome! Now if I could only play like him. Thanks! Any chance your are working on a Peart kit? (Moving Pictures era)
Considering attempting some more stuff. Stay tuned.
@@VExpressionsLTD A Steve Gadd Yamaha Recording Custom would be amazing too!
@@trentmannina8342 I'll see what I can do. I do have a Weckl kit coming later this year.
Alan, do I understand correctly that your infinity expansion only makes use of the standard instruments that are available on the stock TD-50? In other words: if one would become very very good at using all the TD 50 features, would one be able to get very similar results? No offense though, I can see that a lot of knowledge and effort has been put in this, and I'll surely consider getting this pack once I've obtained my TD 50 upgrade and playing around a bit myself first!
We currently completely re-engineer the internal samples, as we would in a real studio. The 50 is immensely powerful, with the right experience. We bring that experience to the table for those who may not have it.
@@VExpressionsLTD Yes I think you are doing an awesome job and it's great to get a bit of insight in how you approach this modelling process. I was just wondering as a programmer if there are other things you can do besides the use of module settings such as programming your own instruments as an addition to the available module instruments.
You can add samples, but I personally am not a fan. Roland modules do not allow multi-velocity sample import. Thus, you get one-shot results. This means that you will always have the transient of the sample (although, with dynamic volume changes), and many people feel it only adds to the machine gun effect. I agree. It is possible to "blend" user samples under internal sounds; but again, you'll still hear the transient and it will not sound natural. Again, just my personal opinion. Sample loading really only makes sense for some specific instruments, like rides and kicks... in my opinion.
@@VExpressionsLTD Yes, I figured that the more you can hear of your added sample, the less flexible you are in making adjustments. I tried the TD 50 in a store and was a bit underwhelmed with especially the snare sounds but it is very nice to hear what you have been able to do with them!
It's a night and day difference. Roland spends next to no time on creating kits. They're basically built by artists during the R&D testing phase. We've offered numerous times to create default kits, but they won't take the offer. That's fine. 😉😂
most excellent
Is there a version for the TD17?
One of the 17's Master volumes has Bonham kits, but it is not what you see in this video. I believe it is volume 6.
@@VExpressionsLTD forgive me as I am new to this. Where do I get it, how to I implement it? Is this compatible with the TD17 (that is the unit I have). I would love to be able to toy with having a few bonham sets. I have the original ludwig he played in 75-76 (amber and all) but my neighbors dont like it so much. Sorry to be a bit illiterate on how this works but I assure you I am tech savvy. Thank you.
@@mikem6178 www.vexpressionsltd.com/masters_17.html ... Volume 5
What headphones are you using?
I use some older Bose that are no longer available.
BOSE Quiet Comfort II (2nd edition). I still got mine from umpteen years ago. they can be had on ebay for about $40. not bad considering they were $300 at the time of release.
@@ultrakool Actually, my story is even older. I'm using old AE2s. However, I've recently changed to AT M50Xs, as many of our customers use them.
Hi Allen, Great tutorial. I recently bought the Professional Expansion Pack but haven't gone through it yet. I was wondering if you have done, or would consider doing a Bonzo kit for the Mimic Pro?
Our Bonzo kit for the Mimic is in our Origins pack. Hope that helps!
If i purchased a Roland VAD 503 kit, will your packs be compatible with their new module?
Our TD-27 packs are designed for the 27. We have two as of right now, with a third on the way soon.
@@VExpressionsLTD thanks. Im aware the td 50 provides more editing options. I plan on purchasing packs to focus on playing. Do the sound quality/accuracy make a big difference between a td 27 and td 50 module? Drum tec offers a custom combination of a td 50 with vad 503. Might consider it
Oh, ok. Is there a kit in Professional that's close to start with, and then I can tweek it from there?
I'm sure there's something you might be able to work with, but it will be much more work as Professional is designed as more of an acoustic pack. Origins is more warm, was our first release, and the Bonzo kit is always in high demand. Thus, it went in the first release.
I’m new to what you do so pardon the question. I like my SD3. I’ve been making my own presets. Let’s suppose I have a TD50 and your immersion I was looking at this morning. I have a 👌 perfect creation of Bohnams “Levee” in my SD3. Can I copy it to your immersion so that it can be in the right side list like a song list? If I can I could do all my favs into that list for live play but we’re made by me. I’m sure I’m not saying this correctly. Tell me
.
The 50 is not designed to "load VST kits". You could only create your own samples to load into the module that would act as one-shot polys, which will sound terrible in comparison. You're better off triggering that kit as needed, and using our kits directly in the module.
Alan, do you foresee an "Infinity" type expansion for the TD-17KVX, or can this Bonzo kit be emulated from the Series 3 pack, following these steps in this vid?
I'm in the middle of production on the next 50 installment, but I will consider attempting an Infinity-like pack for the 17. The main (HUGE) bumps in the road are the major engine differences in the modules. They do not share the "exact" same instrument list, and the 17 lacks all effects at the pad/instrument level. That's a MAJOR issue for creating something like Infinity. Additionally, at the Master level, the EQ effects are completely watered down (just treble & bass options), and there's no compressor. A compressor and EQ fine-tuning at both levels are extremely important for all this. That said, I may consider "something" for the 17. Chris still has plans for more expansions as well. He's just been wrapped up with his band. They're a big full-time traveling circus. :D
@@VExpressionsLTD thx for the prompt reply. understood..like trying to make a silk purse out of a sal's ear, so to speak. lol
sure would be nice to pick up a copy of that next "50" with a Bonzo facsimile in there somewhere, tho. btw, excellent playing.
@@ultrakool Thank you! The next 50 pack WILL have a couple of Bonham kits on it. Totally started from the ground up. Better than the psuedo versions so far (those weren't really supposed to "emulate" Bonzo), and far better than the video quickie above. :)
@@VExpressionsLTD good to know! looking forward to downloading it when it's finished.
Hey Alan, how would i copy an open hi-hat from say Kit 41 to one of the tom rims?
Can’t remember off the top of my head. Ask over at vdrums.com. I’m sure someone over there knows. I’ve done it. It’s just been a while.
Do you know anyone that could help me put a bonham kit in my alesis command kit,along with a few others?
The Command is capable of loading samples; so (assuming you’re talking about our VEX Bonham kit) you would need to record the kit sounds from the Roland module to a DAW, convert them per the Command’s needed file specifications, and then transfer them to your Command per its manual’s instructions. Of course, you should own both modules to do this “legally”. ;)
Hey there... how did u make ur td 50 so big.. how can i achieve this myself??
Assuming you mean “sound”, the video describes how. 😉
do i get actually new sounds, or are they the default sounds edited?
Seems you may not understand how the Roland engine works. Roland does use a single sample for each zone. Although, they do blend head/edge/rimshot in some cases. The engine determines and varies impact, attack, dynamics, decay, etc. based on your velocity and position on the head. Thus, you hear each strike as a slightly different resulting samples. If you listen to me play, you will be able to hear what I’ve just described. So, one could describe the engine sound results as a pseudo-round-robin sound. You don’t get the same sound “just quieter”. The engine completely varies each stroke’s sound.
@@VExpressionsLTD thanks, sorry i think you answered my previous question, that was me being a bit of an idiot, as i should have just made another comment. thanks for the reply though, this was very helpful, and when i upgrade my module to a td50, ill likely be buying the infinity pack, although that relies on the new question. sounds absolutely great!
Glad I could help! Yes, I apparently answered a message I received in email for this comment that you may have reposted or edited. Just glad I could help.
Dude it took you 25 minutes until you hit a drum
I'm not really a cover channel. 😂
When you pay this kind of money for an electronic drum set. you want to set the kit up and and push one button that says John Bonham and it sounds like this right out of the box with no work. along with a 100 other kits that are just as good. but Roland's kits don't even sound real. you have to buy samples from other companies to get realistic acoustic sounding drums. how many years is Roland going to make electronic drum sets before they give you realistic sounding drums right out of the box.
they give you a platform to work with , what did you do when you brought an acoustic kit did go back to the maker and say "hey this sound is nothing like i want " or did you make changes and built the sound (kit)you wanted ? obviously Roland cant program a "Bonham kit " for you there would be copyright issues and a fee would have to be paid
No amount of editing makes the Td-50 sound good. For 3300 Canadian it should have all the sounds you could ever need in it.