I'm actually enjoy this map. Both the design and exploits in it. Just really feels like a citadel. Your routing is amazing and this is probably one of the best runs of this map on nightmare.
To those who may ask: "What was Sandy thinking?" Well I dunno dude he had to crank out 18 maps in the space of a couple of months. Let's see how well you, me or anyone else does in that kind of time window. Some of his maps play great.
Also this level is objectively good! So it's an odd one to say "What was Sandy thinking?" He was thinking, correctly, he made a good map! You can love decino and also differ with his tastes somewhat, guys lol
Sandy did have little time to make all of those maps, but to be fair the issues with this map have nothing to do with it being low effort. On the contrary, Sandy went to great lengths to make every inch of it miserable.
@@NoumenalSoup My comment wasn't aimed at Decino specifically, rather anyone who scoffs at the level designers. Mapmaking was much harder in the 90s with much less assets, no instruction manual or videos and like I said, these guys had no time. It's a wonder the levels are as good as they are, especially given that 3D was still a new thing. You can't compare these maps to something like Sunlust.
Sandy is really a genius and he created too many classics in doom2, Eg. tricks and traps, the pit, the factory, downtown, suburb, the courtyard, barrel'o fun, monster condo, featuring complex architecture, lots of exploration and quite fierce battle i would say. Citadel is one exception i would say, when i was young, i hate this map so much and i never figure out how to reach to exit
Since a lot of people seem to still not know this even after all these years: The teleporters in the teleport room are laid out to match which part of the Citadel proper they'll send you to.
I personally love this map, one of my favorites in Doom 2. Has some neat architecture, some fun fights, and is very fun to explore. For a map that was probably rushed out the door as one of the 18 maps Sandy had to design for the games release, it’s pretty good.
This map use to drive me mad always got confused on where to go I think I rarely got all the secrets because I just wanted it to end but yeah amazing run decino looking forward to seeing the next level always enjoyed that one and with that as always cheers for upload decino
Yep, they are a goofball and the death sound apparently is a stock recording of a rollerblade braking. Even feels worst on Doom Eternal, when you GK them, because their design is even more adorable. 😢
Excellent showcase of your movement skills some might not notice the little intricate dodging of fire/plasma balls whilst getting switches all done at high speeds terrific
I always kinda like Citadel, it's a bit incoherent, but not that linear and it's reasonably big. So in that sense it was impressive back then in the day.
I always imagined this level is meant to represent a military UAC outpost converted into a literall hell citadel, something like episode 2 levels from Doom.
Yet another one where the music fits very well. This level is like storming a medieval castle. Gotcha is such a unique map. I've been looking forward to seeing you tackle that one since you started.
I'm really enjoying these daily videos of yours on levels I know so well. I tried playing on nightmare and it totally kicked my ass. Been watching your videos for a while and I'm a big fan. This was especially true when I saw you guesting on someone else's stream and when presented with the opportunity you refused to talk shit about other people in the doom community. I thought that was pretty classy. Anyway, thanks for all this. And keep up the good work.
The only Doom 2 map I really don't like is Chasm and even it's OK after playing it a bunch. I still can't figure out what use that one invuln is though. By the time I get out of where it is it's worn off. But I think it is tagged as a secret? The secret is why is it there.
I've always really liked this map actually. I think it's because as a kid I was like "whoa, this level's big" and I hadn't seen a map quite like it (Doom 2 was my first one). Needed the strategy guide to figure it out back then.
04:25 I remember it took me ages to figure out how to get to this famous red building with lion textures back in the day :) 08:33 😂. I also usually went for the third key despite being able to exit having two of them, just because it was interesting to do so ;) Today there is a map in Quake Champions which is called Citadel, possibly a reference to this one)
You handled that last bit with the specters quite well. I could see that particular scenario being the inspiration for them calling this Nightmare! GGs as always! Get well soon!
Amazing run once again, you absolute endboss. I've never disliked this map, not close to a favorite either, would put it in my top 10 DooM II lvls, at 10th spot or something. As a little kid this is a map I remember for actually scaring me shitless at times with unexpected demons causing jumpscares :P
No matter how many times I play through Doom II, I can't seem to ever remember how to get everything in this level. There's something about it that makes it hard to remember correctly.
It's one of those ugh maps, but I think on Nightmare it plays pretty decently. The routing is super duper important though, one wrong teleporter and that's the end.
Take care and get well soon, the map looks visually good in some part, and narrow in some parts, the end room was looking cool, the map feel full because of pinkies and spectors
It’s cool how Nightmare turns the game into a Touhou reskin. I’ve played a bit of Doom and Doom II on Nightmare, but it’s a bit more than my skill can handle.
The Citadel is one of my fav Doom 2 maps. My only problem with it is the wide open area with the block in the middle, that totes looks like an arena but it has no boss to fight in there, no Cybie, no Spider Momma...sad.
A favorite map of mine. I like the castle and moat style with the open courtyard in the center. I've always assumed it was a key inspiration for Dead Zone in TNT. 2:40 Allergies omg I feel you there. Oak and Mountain cedar in South Texas kill me every year. 🤬
I like how the start of this map lulls the player into a false sense of expectation of an open map. Quite honestly, much of this map is pretty packed and claustrophobic.
Your upload timing always helps myself feel less drained! I hope you feel better, luckily I'd say the audible difference is very minor to the point I doubt any could hear an issue if not for you mentioned it. Take care
I always liked the fact this map resembles a little castle and the fact you don't need to have all the keys to exit. I also always get lost in it no mater how much I play it. well done Decino, now we wait for next map with the duel of the century... that I'm almost sure is skipable because there is nothing in there in terms of item and secrets? may be wrong tho, I usually don't pay attention to it.
I only realised last year when playing broooodally that the teleporter pads in that dumb secret correspond with corners of the map. Bottom left teleporter takes you to bottom left corner of the citadel etc. It makes the map much easier to navigate.
I really like this map, I don't care what people say. I know it could be better, but given it's 1994 and the team at ID was just figuring out how to handle bigger maps with more enemies, it's a great implementation of a castle, gatehouse, and moat concept. It's nice that the crazy teleporter BS is all dealing with secrets and not required to beat the map. That's why this is not unbearably bad like Unholy Cathedral. Honestly, I really like Sandy's style when it comes to map design, but you can tell he's one of the weaker ones when it comes to gameplay. But his gameplay issues are more than made up for with imagination and fun. His maps do what they set out to do aesthetically and they work. FWIW, I think Sandy gets a bad rep for more recent issues, but he's a huge part of the gaming scene (video and tabletop) and doesn't get the respect he deserves.
One of the most ridiculously convoluted maps of all time. I genuinely wonder what Sandy was thinking. And in general, I think his level design improved in Doom 2.
Pfft if you weren't supposed to run over the torches they should have made it a blocking line. The dumb way I do that map I run over the torches for each of the teleporters. I just keep on looping back around to that building and running through a different teleporter each time.
OKAY I GOT A NEW RULE, AND THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY GOOD: Cino does a reverse Speedrun and tries to stay on the level for as long as possible before exiting... Either 20 minutes or until he exhausts all the ammo on the map, whichever comes first... And no he doesn't get to hide in secret nooks and closets all day.
Ah, mister decino. Similarly in terms of sensations, I am suffering an extremely persistent cold (or a rapid succession of different infections) through the entirety of this new year. Today I had to irrigate my nose, and then I nearly broke my neck trying to blow out a huge viscous reddish-yellow booger. Even though your Nightmare playthroughs are an impressive and arduous work, I think I still had it worse today with that booger.
I actually really like this map, but I can understand how you feel about it given the conditions under which you were playing. I think you can probably concede that there are upcoming maps which are likely to be worse.
Oh boy!! Here we go! The last 10 maps of DOOM II, this has been delightfull, looking forward for map 21, keep going pumpkin man. Also hope u can give some trivia about TNT and plutionia at the end of the series, u know because of the memes 😂 Bye
I always thought doom monsters were strange in one aspect. They act as cardboard pillars. A good example of this is in e1m3 where an infighting pinky demon can attack the zombies on a much higher ledge.
I remember playing this map on UV+ and there was a cyberdemon. At least he only had to die once 🤣. But yeah I actually like this map. It’s certainly better than Unholy Cathedral.
I get why Decino hates these big open-ended explorathon maps when he has to grind out proper demos but they’re a lot of fun to work through and play around in
Yeah, that allergy freaks out. This is the first season i started running every day, it's really killing me. And immunity suppression medicine isn't that harmless...
I do enjoy the nightmare series, please rate the top 10 most difficult and most enjoyable in doom 2 after finishing the whole series. And will the nightmare series continue with TNT and plutonia? if so, that is going to be real hell :)
I'm pretty sure that after the war with demons is over, that citadel would be left intact as thematic park or museum. It kinda stands out of Doomguy's hometown's landscape. Factory, on the other hand... Surely need to be destroyed and rebuilt. Demons stole most machinery anyway. Perhaps, making new rocket launchers for cybs somewhere in blasted remains of Pandemonium or House of pain.
I wondered how you'd deal with the spectres, as I like to lead them off on a chase and dodge them, or pick them off where I have ammo enough. But your way was badass.
i remenber the difference between a Heretic e1m5 citatel canny and a level 19 Citatel uncanny meme in DooM 2 on any difficulty. Yeah, that level was an odyssey.
When I was younger I never realised how to get the blue key, and thought you weren't supposed to as you can finish without it, and I thought that's why the next level was called Gotchyah 🤣
Gotcha is Gotcha because you're not supposed to engage the bosses until after they've started infighting. If you do that part wrong good luck finishing that map.
6:30 "All I need to do now is not die," he says as he accidentally switches to the rocket launcher in a tight hallway.
decino really has to stop saying these things, it backfires so quick after so many times :D
and doesn't die. clippy would have nuked himself... or me xd
@@SmokerFace12 He's not Coincident, so he doesn't have to be afraid of that.
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this new hexen map looks crazy
Don't besmirch HeXen's name like that...
@@williamsmith666 I’m sorry, there weren’t a comical amount of switches in the map. I’m sorry for the misunderstanding
*you pulled the switch, something minor yet crucial to progress changed somewhere in some world*
@@_DeadEnd_ 1/81st of a puzzle you don't know about on a level you last saw six months ago has been solved
@@youmukonpaku3168 Hexen truly was the final boss of confusing level design.
8:33 "Are we there yet?" "Are we there yet?" "Are we there yet?"
The best thing about this map is that it's so unmemorable that it kinda feels fresh every time.
it is unmemorable because I'd rather forget it :/
"Congested nose? Nothing a good facerocket can't fix..."
-- Coincident, probably
I'm actually enjoy this map. Both the design and exploits in it. Just really feels like a citadel. Your routing is amazing and this is probably one of the best runs of this map on nightmare.
Same here. This is actually my favorite Doom 2 map, to be honest.
To those who may ask: "What was Sandy thinking?"
Well I dunno dude he had to crank out 18 maps in the space of a couple of months. Let's see how well you, me or anyone else does in that kind of time window. Some of his maps play great.
Also this level is objectively good! So it's an odd one to say "What was Sandy thinking?" He was thinking, correctly, he made a good map!
You can love decino and also differ with his tastes somewhat, guys lol
Sandy did have little time to make all of those maps, but to be fair the issues with this map have nothing to do with it being low effort. On the contrary, Sandy went to great lengths to make every inch of it miserable.
@@NoumenalSoup My comment wasn't aimed at Decino specifically, rather anyone who scoffs at the level designers. Mapmaking was much harder in the 90s with much less assets, no instruction manual or videos and like I said, these guys had no time. It's a wonder the levels are as good as they are, especially given that 3D was still a new thing. You can't compare these maps to something like Sunlust.
@@doomerrasa8475 There are no issues. It's an objectively great map.
Sandy is really a genius and he created too many classics in doom2, Eg. tricks and traps, the pit, the factory, downtown, suburb, the courtyard, barrel'o fun, monster condo, featuring complex architecture, lots of exploration and quite fierce battle i would say. Citadel is one exception i would say, when i was young, i hate this map so much and i never figure out how to reach to exit
Since a lot of people seem to still not know this even after all these years: The teleporters in the teleport room are laid out to match which part of the Citadel proper they'll send you to.
No deaths, wow. I know you practiced ahead of time, but still, very impressive. And glad you enjoyed it on Nightmare.
*Double takes back to the arachnotron now infighting the Window Imps.*
"Ok."
Always great to see decino playing his favorite map.
I personally love this map, one of my favorites in Doom 2. Has some neat architecture, some fun fights, and is very fun to explore. For a map that was probably rushed out the door as one of the 18 maps Sandy had to design for the games release, it’s pretty good.
This map use to drive me mad always got confused on where to go I think I rarely got all the secrets because I just wanted it to end but yeah amazing run decino looking forward to seeing the next level always enjoyed that one and with that as always cheers for upload decino
Where did you find those awesome Doom emojis, if you don't mind me asking?
@@christiangauthier727 channel's sponsorship
@@christiangauthier727u have to pay for those!
It's not just me right? There is something adorable about Cacodemons and heartbreaking about the sound they make when you kill them, right?
Yep, they are a goofball and the death sound apparently is a stock recording of a rollerblade braking. Even feels worst on Doom Eternal, when you GK them, because their design is even more adorable. 😢
I simply think of him as a health draining bullet sponge, and it makes it satisfying to hear his death sound.
Excellent showcase of your movement skills some might not notice the little intricate dodging of fire/plasma balls whilst getting switches all done at high speeds terrific
Standard protocul on nightmare, always keep moving.
Another Doomtuber that has really interesting movement is KineticBeverage, never seen dodges like that.
"What's your favorite thing about Texas so we can include it in our map?"
Well I like the big castles... the ones filled with Cacodemons and imps.
I have been *so* looking forward to this. The lead up to this map and nirvana are huge 🍿you’re a true master
I always kinda like Citadel, it's a bit incoherent, but not that linear and it's reasonably big. So in that sense it was impressive back then in the day.
I always imagined this level is meant to represent a military UAC outpost converted into a literall hell citadel, something like episode 2 levels from Doom.
Hey, nice to see you here, ClassicShooters.
Yet another one where the music fits very well. This level is like storming a medieval castle.
Gotcha is such a unique map. I've been looking forward to seeing you tackle that one since you started.
"It's time for the shiii- (are we 15 seconds into the video yet? Better play it safe)- Citadel". I admire your professionalism 😅
I'm really enjoying these daily videos of yours on levels I know so well. I tried playing on nightmare and it totally kicked my ass.
Been watching your videos for a while and I'm a big fan. This was especially true when I saw you guesting on someone else's stream and when presented with the opportunity you refused to talk shit about other people in the doom community. I thought that was pretty classy.
Anyway, thanks for all this. And keep up the good work.
I'm excited for nightmare 100% TNT
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That was an insane shot. That zombieman was a real sniper.
Oh boy, imagine if playing Nirvana on nightmare redeems it in decino's eyes as well. That one will be the greatest anime plot twist of all time!
The only Doom 2 map I really don't like is Chasm and even it's OK after playing it a bunch. I still can't figure out what use that one invuln is though. By the time I get out of where it is it's worn off. But I think it is tagged as a secret? The secret is why is it there.
I've always really liked this map actually. I think it's because as a kid I was like "whoa, this level's big" and I hadn't seen a map quite like it (Doom 2 was my first one). Needed the strategy guide to figure it out back then.
04:25 I remember it took me ages to figure out how to get to this famous red building with lion textures back in the day :)
08:33 😂. I also usually went for the third key despite being able to exit having two of them, just because it was interesting to do so ;)
Today there is a map in Quake Champions which is called Citadel, possibly a reference to this one)
You handled that last bit with the specters quite well. I could see that particular scenario being the inspiration for them calling this Nightmare! GGs as always! Get well soon!
Amazing run once again, you absolute endboss.
I've never disliked this map, not close to a favorite either, would put it in my top 10 DooM II lvls, at 10th spot or something.
As a little kid this is a map I remember for actually scaring me shitless at times with unexpected demons causing jumpscares :P
No matter how many times I play through Doom II, I can't seem to ever remember how to get everything in this level. There's something about it that makes it hard to remember correctly.
Good work not dying on this map. Its almost survival horror esque with the scarcity of ammo and no plasma
It's one of those ugh maps, but I think on Nightmare it plays pretty decently. The routing is super duper important though, one wrong teleporter and that's the end.
Take care and get well soon, the map looks visually good in some part, and narrow in some parts, the end room was looking cool, the map feel full because of pinkies and spectors
Hey I don’t know how you have gotten this far on nightmare difficulty well done I can barely play on uv
Clever route is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Could see this one being very challenging if approached differently
It’s cool how Nightmare turns the game into a Touhou reskin.
I’ve played a bit of Doom and Doom II on Nightmare, but it’s a bit more than my skill can handle.
The Citadel is one of my fav Doom 2 maps.
My only problem with it is the wide open area with the block in the middle, that totes looks like an arena but it has no boss to fight in there, no Cybie, no Spider Momma...sad.
There's one in the cooperative mode, however.
A favorite map of mine. I like the castle and moat style with the open courtyard in the center. I've always assumed it was a key inspiration for Dead Zone in TNT.
2:40 Allergies omg I feel you there. Oak and Mountain cedar in South Texas kill me every year. 🤬
"Time for the shi-" :) You used the line!!
When I was young, I remember that I was stuck in this level.
Once again it takes me longer to think of an original glib comment than it does for Cino to finish the level...
Red keys, yellow keys, blue keys, and pinkies.
I like this map, but I can't deny "The Shitadel" is a good burn lmao
I like how the start of this map lulls the player into a false sense of expectation of an open map. Quite honestly, much of this map is pretty packed and claustrophobic.
8:33 "Can I go now? NO." *x3* 😂
Your upload timing always helps myself feel less drained! I hope you feel better, luckily I'd say the audible difference is very minor to the point I doubt any could hear an issue if not for you mentioned it.
Take care
I was unaware this map was called the sheeeeeeeeeecitadel. Decino always schooling us.
I always liked the fact this map resembles a little castle and the fact you don't need to have all the keys to exit. I also always get lost in it no mater how much I play it. well done Decino, now we wait for next map with the duel of the century... that I'm almost sure is skipable because there is nothing in there in terms of item and secrets? may be wrong tho, I usually don't pay attention to it.
I only realised last year when playing broooodally that the teleporter pads in that dumb secret correspond with corners of the map. Bottom left teleporter takes you to bottom left corner of the citadel etc. It makes the map much easier to navigate.
Really enjoyed this one Decino good job.
Nice video
All Doom 1 enemies + some arachnotrons....
10:07 "Oh boy, that's going to be fun" is a good name for map 22
I really like this map, I don't care what people say. I know it could be better, but given it's 1994 and the team at ID was just figuring out how to handle bigger maps with more enemies, it's a great implementation of a castle, gatehouse, and moat concept.
It's nice that the crazy teleporter BS is all dealing with secrets and not required to beat the map. That's why this is not unbearably bad like Unholy Cathedral. Honestly, I really like Sandy's style when it comes to map design, but you can tell he's one of the weaker ones when it comes to gameplay. But his gameplay issues are more than made up for with imagination and fun. His maps do what they set out to do aesthetically and they work. FWIW, I think Sandy gets a bad rep for more recent issues, but he's a huge part of the gaming scene (video and tabletop) and doesn't get the respect he deserves.
So many pinkies and specters. I thought it would be a lot more annoying on nightmare.
One of the most ridiculously convoluted maps of all time. I genuinely wonder what Sandy was thinking. And in general, I think his level design improved in Doom 2.
Don't worry about the nasal congestion, Decino, the commentary sounds great!
Man i love a lot Dead Simple, The Citadel and Living End just for one Reason, Shawn Got The Shotgun
I did try torch jump skip my first time playing this level and was shocked when I learned that wasn't the "right" way.
Pfft if you weren't supposed to run over the torches they should have made it a blocking line. The dumb way I do that map I run over the torches for each of the teleporters. I just keep on looping back around to that building and running through a different teleporter each time.
"All I have to do now is not die," as he pulls out the rocket launcher with an imp in his face
OKAY I GOT A NEW RULE, AND THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY GOOD:
Cino does a reverse Speedrun and tries to stay on the level for as long as possible before exiting... Either 20 minutes or until he exhausts all the ammo on the map, whichever comes first... And no he doesn't get to hide in secret nooks and closets all day.
Hi decino. I loving the nightmare serie.
Cant wait to see u playing AncientesAliens in the aleatory day 1st april :D
Ah, the notorious Mucus Flow, gets the best of us… get well, Decino!
Awesome Decino. Thanks!
That sinus infection sounds like it's clearing up!
Ah, mister decino. Similarly in terms of sensations, I am suffering an extremely persistent cold (or a rapid succession of different infections) through the entirety of this new year. Today I had to irrigate my nose, and then I nearly broke my neck trying to blow out a huge viscous reddish-yellow booger. Even though your Nightmare playthroughs are an impressive and arduous work, I think I still had it worse today with that booger.
Epic trick
I like it when Decino becomes Congesto.
This is one of those maps that is cool in concept (I mean, you're assaulting a demon infested castle), but its execution leaves a lot to be desired
at the very beginning I was about to ask, if had a runny nose or something ha :D I thought you will open the yellow gate also. Great run!
I enjoyed this level because it reminds me of the forts I used to draw as a kid.
Completely forgot this map existed not gonna lie. Congrats on the win.
I actually really like this map, but I can understand how you feel about it given the conditions under which you were playing.
I think you can probably concede that there are upcoming maps which are likely to be worse.
The citadel more like the citahell lmao, also doing clips like that is hype.
Oh boy!! Here we go! The last 10 maps of DOOM II, this has been delightfull, looking forward for map 21, keep going pumpkin man.
Also hope u can give some trivia about TNT and plutionia at the end of the series, u know because of the memes 😂
Bye
Memories of playing this map when I was supposed to be doing my homework lol.
In the last scene, I was worried that Pumpkin Man would run out of bullets and get his head eaten by the Specter. 🤣
I always thought doom monsters were strange in one aspect.
They act as cardboard pillars.
A good example of this is in e1m3 where an infighting pinky demon can attack the zombies on a much higher ledge.
My favorite Doom 2 map. 🫡🫡🫡
I remember playing this map on UV+ and there was a cyberdemon. At least he only had to die once 🤣. But yeah I actually like this map. It’s certainly better than Unholy Cathedral.
Decino and Nightmare is like gym and gains = success
Sit-adel , its the best way to watch the video.
I get why Decino hates these big open-ended explorathon maps when he has to grind out proper demos but they’re a lot of fun to work through and play around in
Your voice sounds good to me. But you’re right allergies are stupid.
Yeah, that allergy freaks out. This is the first season i started running every day, it's really killing me. And immunity suppression medicine isn't that harmless...
Nice video pumpkin man
I do enjoy the nightmare series, please rate the top 10 most difficult and most enjoyable in doom 2 after finishing the whole series. And will the nightmare series continue with TNT and plutonia? if so, that is going to be real hell :)
@8:33 14 year old Decino wanting to go out with his friends but hasn't finished his dinner
Cacodemons are teddy bears. Barons are centaurs. Arachnotrons are insect bugs.
And archviles are ancient aliens.
I'm pretty sure that after the war with demons is over, that citadel would be left intact as thematic park or museum. It kinda stands out of Doomguy's hometown's landscape. Factory, on the other hand... Surely need to be destroyed and rebuilt. Demons stole most machinery anyway. Perhaps, making new rocket launchers for cybs somewhere in blasted remains of Pandemonium or House of pain.
Hmm, I like both The Unholy Cathedral and The Citadel 🙃
And allergies are indeed so annoying, but your voice is still awesome!
Not a popular map, indeed, but even Decino has to admit it was pretty impressive back in 1994 with its sheer size, non-linearity and gimmicks.
I wondered how you'd deal with the spectres, as I like to lead them off on a chase and dodge them, or pick them off where I have ammo enough. But your way was badass.
Ohh that ending.
My day’s best moment 🎉
i remenber the difference between a Heretic e1m5 citatel canny and a level 19 Citatel uncanny meme in DooM 2 on any difficulty.
Yeah, that level was an odyssey.
When I was younger I never realised how to get the blue key, and thought you weren't supposed to as you can finish without it, and I thought that's why the next level was called Gotchyah 🤣
Gotcha is Gotcha because you're not supposed to engage the bosses until after they've started infighting. If you do that part wrong good luck finishing that map.
"Can I go now?" 😂
This map has only Doom 1 enemies except for the 1 arachnotron. Interesting!
This map is really weird, especially the teleporting room that is shaped like the map layout itself.