Mashaba takes things too personal. He is not fit for big national politics, he is not agile enough. Gayton Mackenzie can teach him a thing or two. Mashaba 😢😢😢
As a FF supporter I used to have a lot of respect for Herman. And while I fully relate with his sentiments on the DA, Cilliers Brink is clearly not part of the problem. Any party responsible for sinking the coalition in Pretoria commits political suicide.
DA is extremely out of Order to want to Dictate to ActionSA what to do and not do,what decision to take ,when,how who to work with...C.Brink is going...no amount of Blackmailing, Bullying by the DA will prosper...we don't take instructions from the DA...DA ar dictators of note...
I think that Mashaba is very capable but very vengeful. Parties that are run by one person are very dependent on this person’s emotions. He needs to resign to save actionSA.
Herman has shattered his political future and alienated future voters, its really unfortunate as he is more than competent to run ZA and was the best JHB mayor we ever had. This man is to honest and soft for ZA politics and I cant believe how he is knowingly selling citizens in Tshwane to the devil, out of spite really. tsk Herman, we are disappointed sir !
Joburg did not really improve under him and he was the one who invited the EFF into the coalition. He was warned that the EFF will not create a stable coalition and now he is angry at the DA
I wish he would stop crying like a little boy that got hurt. Mashaba does not belong on the political stage. He only points finger and no action. I am tired of his repeated dialogue like a stuck record.
@margaretbarretto7213 Helen Zille is a true patriot. She puts the interests of SA as a country before the interests of the DA as a political party! She is certainly not arrogant!!
@@margaretbarretto7213 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You just as bad as herman, you need to understand, Helen fought along side the anc against the past government.. she just says it like it is and she never stopped fighting, however, the anc sold out and decided to loot and live it up instead of fix SA up - But you keep listening to the lies about Hellen Doomed to repeat your mistake if you keep following the wrong narratives -
Sick and tired of actionsa lost confidence in herman..he doesn't know what he wants..everyone who left DA taking personal grudge against DA instead of fighting the bigger problem ANC...madness they care for themselves and power
Voters feel betrayed by him. He did not explain why he is forcing out a great mayor in Tshwane and replacing him with the ANC and EFF, it has nothing to do with the DA, it's a power grab. Voters will hold him accountable.
Herman, I voted for you and as a Pretoria resident you have spat me out! I convinced a handful of people to go 💚 and they did! And now I am the one with mud on my face. You are a better leader than this! We called you Mr President. Act like it 💚
@@EdwinWatson he is more like rambling drunk! He knows nothing about politics !! Clear picture of why the DA had to disclipine him against the Eff !! Clearly he is aligned with them
When he resigned as mayor in Joburg in a huff about Helen Zille, he basically handed the city over to the ANC..he is about to do it again. Please people who voted for Action SA..wake up and stop voting for small parties with big personality leaders.😢 i stopped listening at 2:11
You are never getting my vote ever again Herman. You and your party can forget it with all your backstabbing and fake promises. Mark my words, I will never forget this....
I really liked him before, but he won't last very long (same as Cope). He stated that he is fighting for his party, what about the communities' interests. Typical politicians. He should have joined the GNU. He is wounded and fighting for survival. Brink is an excellent mayor. Now, they want to get rid of him because of their personal vendettas.
@@GaryvanderMerwe He even says ' I have means to protect myself from DA'. His main job now is to fight the DA, nothing else. But come 2026 he will see even more flames. He's too inexperienced and clueless.
@@lordwickphophi6998: It's one of the worst cases of political suicide I've ever seen in this country and that's saying something. It was completely wreckless and completely avoidable. I also do not support the DA but they are the least evil of the major parties and that's just a fact. The whole game of politics is to compromise and negotiate on your beliefs in the prospect of working towards like minded goals and long term party growth in order to ultimately achieve your goals. If you cannot do that then you shouldn't be in politics in the first place.
@@charlespetja5200 sometimes a man has to do what he has to do ! With the way the voting went , they could do nothing with the moonshot pact ‘ and off course Mashaba brought nothing to the table
@amm7088 He caries on as if he won the Elections he speaks to much&achieve nothing his party will not be on the ballot on the next election he is a Bitter man
Your anger and bitterness is going to destroy what is left of your party. I used to think highly of you. I'm disappointed you are going to hand Tshwane over to ANC/EFF.
Herman wants to be the boss,he can not play second fiddle to anyone. What is also clear it all about himself and he is not interested in good governance.
Herman is a snake. His hatred towards the DA always distract him and he will never recover. Him and Malema are the same. Watch the space, if his now relationship with ANC fails he will cosy up with MK just to spite the DA. His mission is no longer to remove ANC from power but to return it to power.
the DA came down on him as Jhb Mayor for turning blind eye to eff tenderpreneuring in the portfolio he gave them! sour grapes! Maybe the good guys in action SA will vote him out the party, make Athol leader.
SA can't trust you anymore Herman, who will be the bad guys tomorrow, ANC or DA? I have to go to the "Gat Skop Winkel" now, for recommending Action SA to so many people.
@@shaunswanby8323 They should take Trollip back. Herman runs ActionSA like the way Malema runs his EFF. He is using his ActionSA to fight his personal battles with the DA. He can never outsmart the DA because the DA is politically savvy and they have been in this game for a very long time.
Talk talk and more talk....change it to action action and more action, then people will listen. Plus serve serve and serve and the people on the ground will be happy.
You could not work with the ANC either, but now you are working with them. The Afrikaners would call this a "twee-gat jakkals." When I look at you, Mr. Mashaba, I don't believe a word you say.
_"I will do whatever is in the interests of ActionSA"_ ~ Herman Mashaba _"We will work for the interests of the people of Tshwane"_ ~ Cilliers Brink I know what my vote will be in the upcoming municipal elections.
Mashaba. I'm very disappointed, politics is not for softies. You seem too eager and in the process creating false enemies and you need to learn to move on, too much resentment 😢😢😢
If Herman Mashaba still has his credibility, he will form a Republican Alliance with the PA, FF+, ACDP we can include BOSA and RISE MZANSI, and he should focus on impoverished voters not attacking the DA all day long
F.Y.I. To ALL the politicians, your ideas of “I & me” are sadly misplaced. You are all there to do a job! Stop bickering about yourselves and do the work for the people that ultimately put you there……..
I doubt the DA wish to " eliminate" Action SA. I think hes a bit paranoid and suspiciously sniffing for enemies. If only he could simply get with the program and work with others. Im sure Herman had good intentions but doesnt seem to be thick skinned enough for the push and shove of politics. Ive always liked him and perhaps he does have a point.
This political party system of ours is based more on ego and greed than servitude. Do this simple test : What are the commonalities ? What are the unique policies that set them apart from each other?
Mashaba is bitter because thd DA didn't give him the post he wanted. So he left the DA started his own party and is now doing everything he can to bury the DA where ever he possibly can.
Beginning of the end for Herman Mashaba imo. I had the utmost respect for him due to the moves he made as mayor of Johannesburg, but this move to oust Cilliers Brink will cost ActionSA many many votes. Not once has Herman been able to state why the residents will benefit from getting rid of Cilliers & that's because the majority have no reason to wamt to get rid of him. Herman is getting into bed with the ANC to get rid of Cilliers purely out of spite for the DA. This after he promised he would never work with the ANC. I'd say Herman has full right to be upset with how the DA have treated & continue to treat him, but this is a very shady move putting Tshwane back in ANC hands to spite the DA, at the expense of residents who have clearly benefitted from having Cilliers as mayor.
He even says in this interview "We'll act in the best interests of ActionSA". Well yes clearly that's the plan😂. Whatever happened to acting in the best interest of the residents of South-Africa, or in this case Tshwane?
Mashaba said he would never work with the cANCer,and now has made a complete u-turn . His gripe with the DA national leaders is clouding his thinking .Very disappointing
I voted for Action Sa in 2024 and as a resident of Tshwane I would refer to keep the ANC out of government remember the current coalition is still untangling the knots the ANC created after many years of mismanagement and the DA should stop acting like a arrogant boss and start working constructively with coalition partners to keep the ANC out of Tshwane
Not once did you say anything about the people of the country. This is all a political move which does not serve South Africa. It’s very sad that you have made it clear that you don’t care about the majority in this country.
Hello to you all. What marakas are the parties trying to do? Are they not supposed to work for the people and not for themselves. If this does not happen nothing will come better in this beautiful land of ours. Everyone wants to be the main peanut, and they forget about the people that suffer. Get your act together
@@matjilam.j.m1258 You can say that again. As if ANC's 30 years of incompetence and corruption isn't enough. If Mashaba pulls out of Tshwane coalition, that would be the end of ActionSA. He must be thinking that people have short memories.
You know all we want is peace, and with all the problems in the differenti don't know if we could ever achieve this. We really dont know who to trust and vote for anymore. All we can do is put our trust in is our LORD only he can change the ideologies of this mad world 🌎 🙏🏻 🙏🏻
What hypocrite, he does not want the DA to work with the ANC but he will after he said he won't, guess his missing that 10% he promised and that extra money.. I see crash coming if he goes ahead with this manchild behavior, when the party is based on one man's emotions - and he meant to be a top tier business man 🤣🤣
Mashaba always starts with ...."when I....something, something ...DA ....In fact ......something, something.... I cannot work with .....something, something......I'm a team player...something, something ..........He continues to whine like a toddler wanting he's dummy and Steenhuizen and Helen are like the other toddlers running away with he's dummy....lol
Mashaba takes things too personal. He is not fit for big national politics, he is not agile enough. Gayton Mackenzie can teach him a thing or two.
Mashaba 😢😢😢
This a personal vendetta towards the DA. No regards for the people of SA. Tshwane was working very well until Herman’s ego got hurt.
I don't think I've ever seen a public figure go from hero to zero in such a short amount of time.
YOU are TOPS at making a fool of yourself !
As a FF supporter I used to have a lot of respect for Herman. And while I fully relate with his sentiments on the DA, Cilliers Brink is clearly not part of the problem. Any party responsible for sinking the coalition in Pretoria commits political suicide.
He wants to save ActionSA at all cost. Even at the expense of the wellbeing of Johannesburg or Tshwane. He wants to destroy DA before ANC.
DA is extremely out of Order to want to Dictate to ActionSA what to do and not do,what decision to take ,when,how who to work with...C.Brink is going...no amount of Blackmailing, Bullying by the DA will prosper...we don't take instructions from the DA...DA ar dictators of note...
@@thomasprogli3372 remember how he was the mayor of Johannesburg and now that place is in worst state
I think that Mashaba is very capable but very vengeful. Parties that are run by one person are very dependent on this person’s emotions. He needs to resign to save actionSA.
He is entitled to his right to freedom of association.
Stop sulking. Win elections next time LOL
They got hammered in the election because he spends his life whinging about the DA.
My perception is that this is all about Herman Mashaba. The communities and citizens interests are not considered at all. For shame!
Personalizing politics will be the end of Herman Mashaba's political career. His anger and bitterness towards the DA is clearly visible
Herman has shattered his political future and alienated future voters, its really unfortunate as he is more than competent to run ZA and was the best JHB mayor we ever had.
This man is to honest and soft for ZA politics and I cant believe how he is knowingly selling citizens in Tshwane to the devil, out of spite really.
tsk Herman, we are disappointed sir !
Honest???? are you kidding? or stupid?
Joburg did not really improve under him and he was the one who invited the EFF into the coalition. He was warned that the EFF will not create a stable coalition and now he is angry at the DA
Hermann must grow up.
@andrewfarrer4568 I must be stupid, please try harder when commenting next time, all you provided is a child-like rant, nothing of substance.
Herman Mashaba: I will not let the DA eliminate me!!! I will do it myself!!!
ME, ME ME .... That is this one's problem. Shem
You are a traitor to the citizens of Tshwane sir. We tired of your personal grievances. Grow up and take responsibility.
I wish he would stop crying like a little boy that got hurt. Mashaba does not belong on the political stage. He only points finger and no action. I am tired of his repeated dialogue like a stuck record.
He has lost the Plot. His goal is not to serve Citizens. His goal is to hurt the DA which is doing a good job in terms of service delivery.
Zille is the problem. Arrogance will not do any good for tge GNU. She must go 😮
@margaretbarretto7213 Helen Zille is a true patriot. She puts the interests of SA as a country before the interests of the DA as a political party!
She is certainly not arrogant!!
You are entitled to your opinion as am i. Time will tell 😮@@tonitappous2422
Too honest, yes!!
@@margaretbarretto7213 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You just as bad as herman, you need to understand, Helen fought along side the anc against the past government.. she just says it like it is and she never stopped fighting, however, the anc sold out and decided to loot and live it up instead of fix SA up - But you keep listening to the lies about Hellen
Doomed to repeat your mistake if you keep following the wrong narratives -
RSA is blessed with the Politicians with the smallest & most fragile egos in the world. Suffer the CITIZENS😢
Sick and tired of actionsa lost confidence in herman..he doesn't know what he wants..everyone who left DA taking personal grudge against DA instead of fighting the bigger problem ANC...madness they care for themselves and power
I am always wary of someone who speaks about themselves in the third person.
@@aegis3523 like Hlaudi 😂
Voters feel betrayed by him. He did not explain why he is forcing out a great mayor in Tshwane and replacing him with the ANC and EFF, it has nothing to do with the DA, it's a power grab. Voters will hold him accountable.
I agree. And after all it is not about polititions, it is about the residents of Tshwane!!!
pity BizNews interviewewr don't ask the hard questions, way to softball interview
They betrayed him first, and now you want him to sit and do nothing, DA can go to hell
Herman, I voted for you and as a Pretoria resident you have spat me out! I convinced a handful of people to go 💚 and they did! And now I am the one with mud on my face.
You are a better leader than this! We called you Mr President. Act like it 💚
@@EdwinWatson he is more like rambling drunk! He knows nothing about politics !! Clear picture of why the DA had to disclipine him against the Eff !! Clearly
he is aligned with them
You -are- were a better leader than this! We called you Mr President. -Act like it- Too late!
Eeeish this guy is blinded by his hatred for Helen
He babbles on like a drunk! Shame on you Herman ! Tell a lie like you
When he resigned as mayor in Joburg in a huff about Helen Zille, he basically handed the city over to the ANC..he is about to do it again. Please people who voted for Action SA..wake up and stop voting for small parties with big personality leaders.😢 i stopped listening at 2:11
You are never getting my vote ever again Herman. You and your party can forget it with all your backstabbing and fake promises. Mark my words, I will never forget this....
Why not have a good look at arrogant Zille? She will be responsible for the demise of the DA. Dreadful woman
He wants to so badly destroy the DA that he is willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of the residence of Joberg and Tshwane.
Yip
We love the ANC in GP👌🏾
Work with a brother instead of the colonisers. Simple logic
Mashaba and Action SA... Cry me a river. They just want to grind axes and disrupt things. Nee, man. Voetsek!
I really liked him before, but he won't last very long (same as Cope). He stated that he is fighting for his party, what about the communities' interests. Typical politicians. He should have joined the GNU. He is wounded and fighting for survival.
Brink is an excellent mayor. Now, they want to get rid of him because of their personal vendettas.
Its me, myself, I and DA with Mashaba.
He says he is going to do what is in the best interest of ActionSA, i.e. he is not doing what is in the best interest of the people.
@@GaryvanderMerwe He even says ' I have means to protect myself from DA'. His main job now is to fight the DA, nothing else. But come 2026 he will see even more flames. He's too inexperienced and clueless.
@@lordwickphophi6998: It's one of the worst cases of political suicide I've ever seen in this country and that's saying something. It was completely wreckless and completely avoidable. I also do not support the DA but they are the least evil of the major parties and that's just a fact. The whole game of politics is to compromise and negotiate on your beliefs in the prospect of working towards like minded goals and long term party growth in order to ultimately achieve your goals. If you cannot do that then you shouldn't be in politics in the first place.
this one needs to give it up ! Neither did you trust the ANC
The DA trust ANC
@@charlespetja5200 sometimes a man has to do what he has to do ! With the way the voting went , they could do nothing with the moonshot pact ‘ and off course Mashaba brought nothing to the table
The eggo and greed !
Biggest mistake you made was to leave the DA
Ultimately they will Herman. Sad but true. You're your own worst enemy.
Now you NOT INTERESTED on the PEOPLE 🤣🤣🤣now it is about
ACTION SA🤣! this ou is obsessed with the DA ! Sober up
I wonder if Mashaba noticed his party is going down
"We will do what is the best for Action SA... " that says it all. To hell with the people.
Really going after DA isn’t he
DA is the people's party; ActionSA is Herman Mashaba's party
DA is zile's party
@@peterkgobe3407 You just a herman the german puppet, that brain fart must be hurting you to think :D
He rumbles and bumbles on and on ! you are far from a team player
@amm7088 He caries on as if he won the Elections he speaks to much&achieve nothing his party will not be on the ballot on the next election he is a Bitter man
Your anger and bitterness is going to destroy what is left of your party. I used to think highly of you. I'm disappointed you are going to hand Tshwane over to ANC/EFF.
Herman wants to be the boss,he can not play second fiddle to anyone. What is also clear it all about himself and he is not interested in good governance.
Herman the moaning Minnie. Can't get his fixation of the DA out of his head.
ACTION SA has already destroyed themselves
"Do what's in the interests of Action SA" says it all. What about the interests of South Africa?
You gonna sink faster than the EFF at this rate
Mashaba not doing much for the country and this is absurd.
Surely the needs of the country transcends your personal hostilities?
Herman is a snake. His hatred towards the DA always distract him and he will never recover. Him and Malema are the same. Watch the space, if his now relationship with ANC fails he will cosy up with MK just to spite the DA. His mission is no longer to remove ANC from power but to return it to power.
Does Herman read these comments? Shame on you Herman…..
Only think about himself, not the people that requires services
When Tswane fail, people won't point fingers to the ANC. They'll point fingers to wrong move ActionSA.
Delusional
the DA came down on him as Jhb Mayor for turning blind eye to eff tenderpreneuring in the portfolio he gave them! sour grapes! Maybe the good guys in action SA will vote him out the party, make Athol leader.
SA can't trust you anymore Herman, who will be the bad guys tomorrow, ANC or DA? I have to go to the "Gat Skop Winkel" now, for recommending Action SA to so many people.
Your already eliminated,action sa a ghost speaking
You only think of yourself.
No you will do it yourself via the voters.
I agree with the comments above . HM has himself to blame. When ASA collapses, can the DA accommodate Trollip and Beaumont. Trollip especially
@@shaunswanby8323 They should take Trollip back. Herman runs ActionSA like the way Malema runs his EFF. He is using his ActionSA to fight his personal battles with the DA. He can never outsmart the DA because the DA is politically savvy and they have been in this game for a very long time.
Herman being exposed as for who he is !
Egotistic without Direction for SA.
I heard a whole lot of nothing.
HM himself wanted to bring down the DA, forgetting that the said party is not a one man show like his ASA and that DA GETS THINGS DONE
Talk talk and more talk....change it to action action and more action, then people will listen. Plus serve serve and serve and the people on the ground will be happy.
Tshwane is working for the people, thats what we want!
Hasnt he thrown all his toys out YET.
You could not work with the ANC either, but now you are working with them. The Afrikaners would call this a "twee-gat jakkals." When I look at you, Mr. Mashaba, I don't believe a word you say.
_"I will do whatever is in the interests of ActionSA"_ ~ Herman Mashaba
_"We will work for the interests of the people of Tshwane"_ ~ Cilliers Brink
I know what my vote will be in the upcoming municipal elections.
Sour grapes Masha
Backstabbing 2 face
Mashaba. I'm very disappointed, politics is not for softies. You seem too eager and in the process creating false enemies and you need to learn to move on, too much resentment 😢😢😢
If Herman Mashaba still has his credibility, he will form a Republican Alliance with the PA, FF+, ACDP we can include BOSA and RISE MZANSI, and he should focus on impoverished voters not attacking the DA all day long
Not the FF you are wrong about them.
He is busy eliminating himself doesnt need DA to do this
F.Y.I. To ALL the politicians, your ideas of “I & me” are sadly misplaced. You are all there to do a job! Stop bickering about yourselves and do the work for the people that ultimately put you there……..
Viva DA, what about citizens who voted for DA, so you don't care about that
Boo-hoo😭😭😭
He is just eliminating himself without DA’s hand and is doing it quick.
Bitter bitter Herman
I doubt the DA wish to " eliminate" Action SA. I think hes a bit paranoid and suspiciously sniffing for enemies. If only he could simply get with the program and work with others. Im sure Herman had good intentions but doesnt seem to be thick skinned enough for the push and shove of politics. Ive always liked him and perhaps he does have a point.
Interviewer's questions are ridiculously soft ball
Count how often he uses 'me' and 'I', vs saying 'voters' or 'citizens'......Says it all
So he will colapse Tswane just because he feels threatened!The arrogance.
Where is Michael Beaumont in all this? If you don't get Mashaba to tie the line, it is the end of ASA.
I have a sickly feeling in my stomach. It's actually disgusting watching millionaire politicians crying and looking for sympathy.
A whole Vinyard of sour grapes detrimental to the people of South Africa
This political party system of ours is based more on ego and greed than servitude. Do this simple test : What are the commonalities ? What are the unique policies that set them apart from each other?
I find it so hard to listen to this guy
Many of us do.
Mashaba is bitter because thd DA didn't give him the post he wanted. So he left the DA started his own party and is now doing everything he can to bury the DA where ever he possibly can.
Beginning of the end for Herman Mashaba imo.
I had the utmost respect for him due to the moves he made as mayor of Johannesburg, but this move to oust Cilliers Brink will cost ActionSA many many votes.
Not once has Herman been able to state why the residents will benefit from getting rid of Cilliers & that's because the majority have no reason to wamt to get rid of him.
Herman is getting into bed with the ANC to get rid of Cilliers purely out of spite for the DA. This after he promised he would never work with the ANC.
I'd say Herman has full right to be upset with how the DA have treated & continue to treat him, but this is a very shady move putting Tshwane back in ANC hands to spite the DA, at the expense of residents who have clearly benefitted from having Cilliers as mayor.
He even says in this interview "We'll act in the best interests of ActionSA". Well yes clearly that's the plan😂. Whatever happened to acting in the best interest of the residents of South-Africa, or in this case Tshwane?
Mashaba said he would never work with the cANCer,and now has made a complete u-turn . His gripe with the DA national leaders is clouding his thinking .Very disappointing
but Herman it's not about you its about the people of tswane
I can't listen to the end. This man is nuts
Sorry Biznews, bailed at 3:24. I cannot suffer Herman's vibes, his anti-DA negativity and misery is too toxic. Gonna go enjoy my evening, cheers.
I left at 5:11. He is very annoying. His constant whinging of the DA instead of doing his part to fix the country is depressing.
I voted for Action Sa in 2024 and as a resident of Tshwane I would refer to keep the ANC out of government remember the current coalition is still untangling the knots the ANC created after many years of mismanagement and the DA should stop acting like a arrogant boss and start working constructively with coalition partners to keep the ANC out of Tshwane
He must seize his obsession with Helen and attend to his anxiety
Not once did you say anything about the people of the country. This is all a political move which does not serve South Africa. It’s very sad that you have made it clear that you don’t care about the majority in this country.
What a bitter man. All about him and not the people. Get over yourself and do the right thing 🤬
Hello to you all. What marakas are the parties trying to do? Are they not supposed to work for the people and not for themselves. If this does not happen nothing will come better in this beautiful land of ours. Everyone wants to be the main peanut, and they forget about the people that suffer. Get your act together
So this once again is about EGO!!! Not about what is best for SA
Our hearts are painful, we are being sold back to square 1 in Gauteng
@@matjilam.j.m1258 You can say that again. As if ANC's 30 years of incompetence and corruption isn't enough. If Mashaba pulls out of Tshwane coalition, that would be the end of ActionSA. He must be thinking that people have short memories.
You know all we want is peace, and with all the problems in the differenti don't know if we could ever achieve this. We really dont know who to trust and vote for anymore. All we can do is put our trust in is our LORD only he can change the ideologies of this mad world 🌎 🙏🏻 🙏🏻
Action SA choosing ANC, yaa neh
What hypocrite, he does not want the DA to work with the ANC but he will after he said he won't, guess his missing that 10% he promised and that extra money.. I see crash coming if he goes ahead with this manchild behavior, when the party is based on one man's emotions - and he meant to be a top tier business man 🤣🤣
That's bitterness and hatred for you: it even affects your mental faculties. Common sense and sound reasoning out of the door.
Mashaba’s support will now plummet, goodbye ActionSA.
You need to take stock
Mashaba always starts with ...."when I....something, something ...DA ....In fact ......something, something.... I cannot work with .....something, something......I'm a team player...something, something ..........He continues to whine like a toddler wanting he's dummy and Steenhuizen and Helen are like the other toddlers running away with he's dummy....lol