Still went for the iPhone 13 Pro Max. Need that extra battery life and screen size for gaming and media consumption. And it helps for easier two handed typing. Once you go Max you don’t go back in my case.
@@jjakkad It's Apple. Same as not bringing Night Mode to all lenses of older phones before. They count on customer loyalty to get the new phone, and obviously this works.
Um... neither. Still waiting for the Pixel 6 to come out before I choose between the Pixel 6 Pro or the iPhone 13 Pro Max. The lens flare/ghosting on the iPhone 13 Pro Max is horrible. I suspect clustering the three lenses tightly together is compounding the issue. Would be interesting if Google had the sense for this when they designed the Pixel 6, and purposely chose to put the cameras spaced out in a row versus a tight cluster. We shall see... #flaregate
Danny... thanks for the best 12 Pro/13 Pro Camera comparison I've seen so far - and even better, from right here in Winter Garden! Just trying to decide which to upgrade to from my XR. Definitely can appreciate the deeper contrast with the 13 Pro, but not sure yet if its reduced noise is actually desirable. Almost seems like the smoothing effect is a bit excessive at times, especially at night. One thing I'd appreciate seeing in a future iteration if you get around to it would be the 0.5 ultra wide angle video in low light. Seems everyone accepts that the ultra wide introduces a ton of grain and undesirable artifacting (at least it does on my wife's 12 Mini), but very curious if the 13 Pro has anything to reduce the undesirable effects. So far, I'm still on the fence between the 2 models compared here. Looking forward to more! And I'll be keeping an eye out around town to see if I maybe run into you! Great job on this!
I went with 13PM because I sold my 12PM for a very good price but 13 PM still has reflection issues which is to an extent disappointing. But purely from camera perspective I’m fully into videos that too 1080p 60fps which in 13 PM even smoother with zoom in and zoom out using zoom slider. If you are a 12PM user wait till 14 is out, 12PM already is a great phone
Seems like the 13 Pro/Max really want that contrast that the Pixel was known for. Only thing I don't like is the over saturation in some of the photos, but that night mode is amazing.
52mm or 65mm field of view is better for portraits in my opinion, otherwise it's hard to get everything in the frame. For example Canon M50 + 32mm f/1.4. They simply could have increased the megapixel count of the 65mm camera, if they wanted a higher angular resolution. Then a 77mm crop would have nearly no disadvantage. The 65mm camera even has a slightly larger effective aperture diameter than the 77mm camera (3.41mm vs 3.21mm), which leads to 12.5% more light per time from an object (and 3.21mm is barely better than the 52mm camera, which has 3.0mm). A 77mm camera also has less depth data than a 52mm camera because the depth data is calculated by using a 77mm crop of the 26mm camera. So I guess they chose 77mm due to marketing reasons or maybe in order to sell a 65mm + more megapixels solution next year. The only advantage of the 77mm camera would be 44% more light from distant objects than the 65mm camera in good(!) light conditions.
Because they changed up all the lenses/sensors at once compared to the previous one. The fact that the real world results may be similar wasn't a point to them
Really loved this video and your work I am using a 12 pro and was on the fence wether I should upgrade or not but now it’s clear I will hold on to it, for at least this year.
I mean , you could have just don’t research yourself if you were really interested and ready to burn money like that. I mean you could have watched the keynote and realized..
The difference between the 12 pro and 13 pro cameras don’t seem like much of a differences at all. The improvements are so small you have to really look for it.. I did upgrade from a iPhone XS.
Nice video. Anyone trying to justify going from an iPhone 12 Pro to a 13 pro is really just clutching at straws. I have a 12 pro max. I won’t upgrade now until at least 15 and that’s if it offers something that is a genuine improvement.
thanks for the in depth review. interesting that you seem more leaning towards the iphone 13 whereas this other reviewer Daniel Shin is more towards the 12 , he convinces me that there's not enough reason for an upgrade from 12 to 13. Looking at the images, i actually prefer the colors in the 12 😅
AMAZING video. iPhone 13 battery test shows a marked improvement on a weak spot of the previous generation. Also iPhone 13 Pro has a noticeably smoother screen than the 12 Pro. Once you experience a 120Hz display, it's hard to go back to a 60Hz one.
The problem is that most of us seeing the picture comparison with subpar or smaller screens does not give it justice. My experience with the newer iPhone 13 Pro from the older iPhone 12 Pro taking night time per photos makes crazy difference. I have chosen pets because you have to make time sensitive photos which is the case for any of us shooting indoor photos of events, hence I am extremely happy. But that’s the comparison between close generations but any generations before it, you would be crazy not to see the massive difference
Upgraded to the 13 Pro Max from the 12 Pro Max, I can definitely notice a difference in low light. The Ultrawide is a big step up as well and I'm very happy with battery life.
The new cameras aren’t really better both perform good i think it’s more of a preference kinda thing & cinematic videos is cool but I’d never use it, with that being said I can’t wait to see how they try and wow us next year.
Bigger sensor is a real thing...photo quality is just better, especially on low light. But if you're not taking much low light photo, then yes you don't need an upgrade.
13 pro is what I chose . I see no reason to Carry such a huge phone when the standard sized pro offers great battery life already and the features are the same as the pro max . Thank you apple for making features the same
The only reason that one should upgrade from iphone 12 pro is to brag about having the newest iphone. The refresh rate is cool, the "smallest" notch is insignificant and the camera "upgrades" or more precisely "software upgrades" are for the ones like us that are watching the tiniest detail on youtube reviews. No change for 99% of customers or real life scenarios. Don't get me wrong, iphones are solid phones and offer great quality (maybe overpriced for some people) but it's a shame that Apple doesn't offer any innovation in the smartphone department. Maybe next year they will offer in-display fingerprint unlock and some camera tweaks
the perfect night photos to be honest as night being night not day which it used to be in all previous iphones and still all androids tend to turn the night into day. i personally like the new more natural night mode and thats how it should be. this phone is the closest to what a pro dslr captures at night
Nice video ..👍🏻 And I am really happy that apple brought back some natural contrast to there photos because every photo from the 12 pro last year lacks contrast that that made me not like it that much But this time they finally fixed it and then the photographic styles and really and bonus ..👌👌👌
The photos are nearly identical. The only difference is the contract and saturation levels on the 13 Pro. The night mode shots are identical and the noise reduction on the 13 is probably due to software/increased contrast hiding the noise. The only real upgrade to this new phone are the Cinematic mode and Photographic styles (which should have been offered to ALL previous Pro models. I’m sure it isn’t that hard to process for the 12 Pro internal chip)
The night mode shots is the wrong area to use "identical" as they differ more. You may see better results in the RAW photographyif you do that kind of thing.
Dont really want to know the difference between 13 pro and 12 pro max. But surely waiting for your camera comparison between 13 pro s21 ultra and mi 11 ultra. Love your camera comparisons.
The problem with 10x is that you need 5x in the middle between the main camera to have a consistent change, otherwise you will see a massive blurry pictures between 3-9x and having 4 camera means an significant design and cost change. And really, no one really uses the 10x in the Samsung, based on reviews I have heard.
Yea that sucks, apple should move on from those tiny lame 12mp sensors tbh, they should go to periscope lens that allows 10x optical and 100x digital for the next generation, also a 48mp ultrawide would be decent, OnePlus and Samsung killed it this year with their fantastic ultrawides.
Great comparison Danny! I just wonder of people are so much into blurry backgrounds and night photo why just not simply buy proper camera? Phones are getting little better but cameras nowdays are miles ahead from phones. You get as long zoom as you want and proper macro.
Awesome. I’m hoping to find a vid of the iPhone 12 (regular) vs the iPhone 13 Pro for those of us on the 12 who are considering finally making the jump to the iPhone Pro
When MrWhosTheBoss tested the battery on iPhone 13 Pro Max,he got 9hrs and 17 mins which beat the Galaxy S21 Ultra's 8 hours and became the new battery king.
But apps doesn't support 120 hertz whereas on the S21 Ultra, every app supports it. Not a single app on the 13s support 120 hertz. Not even the settings
There are some of those in this video! Not a lot but I do show some. Also night time video. I may do a dedicated camera comparison since people are wondering.
Since portrait mode in FaceTime for the 12 pros works on the front/back camera fairly well . Does that mean we could gain some sort of portrait video mode in the further on the 12 pros?
I doubt that, even XS has portrait in FaceTime. Also, since the camera didn’t change that much in many scenarios they would never destroy the selling point of the 13.
After seeing this is the iPhone 13 Pro the best iPhone this year? Or are you still going with the bigger iPhone 13 Pro Max?
Still went for the iPhone 13 Pro Max. Need that extra battery life and screen size for gaming and media consumption. And it helps for easier two handed typing. Once you go Max you don’t go back in my case.
How come apple isn't bringing cinematic mode to iPhone 12 Pro? Intentional nerf?
@@jjakkad It's Apple. Same as not bringing Night Mode to all lenses of older phones before. They count on customer loyalty to get the new phone, and obviously this works.
Um... neither. Still waiting for the Pixel 6 to come out before I choose between the Pixel 6 Pro or the iPhone 13 Pro Max. The lens flare/ghosting on the iPhone 13 Pro Max is horrible. I suspect clustering the three lenses tightly together is compounding the issue. Would be interesting if Google had the sense for this when they designed the Pixel 6, and purposely chose to put the cameras spaced out in a row versus a tight cluster. We shall see... #flaregate
Pro Max for me. I’m getting amazing results from the cameras, even coming from my 12 PM.
Danny... thanks for the best 12 Pro/13 Pro Camera comparison I've seen so far - and even better, from right here in Winter Garden! Just trying to decide which to upgrade to from my XR. Definitely can appreciate the deeper contrast with the 13 Pro, but not sure yet if its reduced noise is actually desirable. Almost seems like the smoothing effect is a bit excessive at times, especially at night. One thing I'd appreciate seeing in a future iteration if you get around to it would be the 0.5 ultra wide angle video in low light. Seems everyone accepts that the ultra wide introduces a ton of grain and undesirable artifacting (at least it does on my wife's 12 Mini), but very curious if the 13 Pro has anything to reduce the undesirable effects. So far, I'm still on the fence between the 2 models compared here. Looking forward to more! And I'll be keeping an eye out around town to see if I maybe run into you! Great job on this!
Thanks for testing the night flares Danny 🤙🏽 I would have upgraded my 12 pro max if JUST that issue was fixed, but fingers crossed for next year 🤞🏽
What issue boo?
YES. Those reflections make night shots useless honestly. Not all phones have it, so Apple could definitely fix it...
Yeah I am hoping for the next one. Lots of reflections in Japan haha
I went with 13PM because I sold my 12PM for a very good price but 13 PM still has reflection issues which is to an extent disappointing. But purely from camera perspective I’m fully into videos that too 1080p 60fps which in 13 PM even smoother with zoom in and zoom out using zoom slider. If you are a 12PM user wait till 14 is out, 12PM already is a great phone
Every phone has night flares. The Samsung and Pixel have it worse actually.
Seems like the 13 Pro/Max really want that contrast that the Pixel was known for. Only thing I don't like is the over saturation in some of the photos, but that night mode is amazing.
Great comparison. I think the 13 Pro camera will improve throughout the year just like the 12 Pro did. Also, I can’t wait for ProRes haha.
how did the 12 Pro camera improve with updates?
Yes please tell. Did apple provide updates for iphone cam after it is launched?
@@malyedik2 i have the same question😭
I cannt see any really difference
52mm or 65mm field of view is better for portraits in my opinion, otherwise it's hard to get everything in the frame. For example Canon M50 + 32mm f/1.4. They simply could have increased the megapixel count of the 65mm camera, if they wanted a higher angular resolution. Then a 77mm crop would have nearly no disadvantage. The 65mm camera even has a slightly larger effective aperture diameter than the 77mm camera (3.41mm vs 3.21mm), which leads to 12.5% more light per time from an object (and 3.21mm is barely better than the 52mm camera, which has 3.0mm). A 77mm camera also has less depth data than a 52mm camera because the depth data is calculated by using a 77mm crop of the 26mm camera. So I guess they chose 77mm due to marketing reasons or maybe in order to sell a 65mm + more megapixels solution next year. The only advantage of the 77mm camera would be 44% more light from distant objects than the 65mm camera in good(!) light conditions.
I liked many 12 Pro Max pictures better. How Apple can talk about "biggest camera upgrade ever" is a joke.
Because they changed up all the lenses/sensors at once compared to the previous one. The fact that the real world results may be similar wasn't a point to them
@@RennieAsh 😂😂 I know right?
So I was planning to buy iPhone 12 Pro Max then my decision is right??
@@maaz2505I was wondering this too, 12 pro max vs 13 pro
The wait is over!!!. Finally ur video arrived ❤️
The only camera comparison video which is meaningful.👍🏻
🙏🏻
Your camera comparison are great! Hope to see 13pro against the s21u
Really loved this video and your work I am using a 12 pro and was on the fence wether I should upgrade or not but now it’s clear I will hold on to it, for at least this year.
I have the 12 pro right now i have had it for a year now and im locked into that 2 year contract so i gotta wait until the iphone 14
I mean , you could have just don’t research yourself if you were really interested and ready to burn money like that. I mean you could have watched the keynote and realized..
Great, as always. You are one of the best TH-camrs.
The difference between the 12 pro and 13 pro cameras don’t seem like much of a differences at all. The improvements are so small you have to really look for it.. I did upgrade from a iPhone XS.
Yesss was waiting for your comparisons Danny
I’m looking forward to your camera comparisons
Thanking youuu! Have been waiting for your comparison~ Great as always!
I've been waiting for this 🥰🤩.. thanks Danny
The review we all waiting for 🔥
who is we?
12 pro max with the bigger sensor vs the 13 pro max would be nice
I usually don't like clear cases but this year I'm tempted to show off the color!
Iphone 12mini vs 13mini camera test please danny🥺
Am i the only one who likes the iphone12 pics more 😂 ! its softer lighter brighter and more less processed !!
Honestly I still prefere the 12. Only at night the 13 is better. Thanks Danny
Ok
I have the iPhone 12 Pro and it’s awesome. So I definitely recommend it
How's the battery life? I love it but as a MUA I'm thinking of the battery hence considering the 13pro
Here we go again with Apple depending on human subjects for the Cinematic Video mode, it's like they forgot that the Lidar sensor exists
Nice video. Anyone trying to justify going from an iPhone 12 Pro to a 13 pro is really just clutching at straws. I have a 12 pro max. I won’t upgrade now until at least 15 and that’s if it offers something that is a genuine improvement.
thanks for the in depth review. interesting that you seem more leaning towards the iphone 13 whereas this other reviewer Daniel Shin is more towards the 12 , he convinces me that there's not enough reason for an upgrade from 12 to 13. Looking at the images, i actually prefer the colors in the 12 😅
same lol
Pls do a full comparison 12 pro max vs 13 pro/max
I tested the iPhone 13Pro yesterday. Didn’t find such a big difference from my iPhone 12Pro personally for me. I’ll wait for the next iPhone.
Did you test the night time? That’s where I see the most improvement.
@@dannywinget lol
AMAZING video. iPhone 13 battery test shows a marked improvement on a weak spot of the previous generation. Also iPhone 13 Pro has a noticeably smoother screen than the 12 Pro. Once you experience a 120Hz display, it's hard to go back to a 60Hz one.
The comparison that I've been waiting for and the updated sneaker wall is 💯🤯🔥
🙏🏻
The problem is that most of us seeing the picture comparison with subpar or smaller screens does not give it justice. My experience with the newer iPhone 13 Pro from the older iPhone 12 Pro taking night time per photos makes crazy difference. I have chosen pets because you have to make time sensitive photos which is the case for any of us shooting indoor photos of events, hence I am extremely happy. But that’s the comparison between close generations but any generations before it, you would be crazy not to see the massive difference
We need iphone 11 pro vs 12 pro vs 13 pro camera comparison!
Upgraded to the 13 Pro Max from the 12 Pro Max, I can definitely notice a difference in low light.
The Ultrawide is a big step up as well and I'm very happy with battery life.
Don’t kid your self it really no different 😂
Haha you should’ve wait for the 14 with new tech
Dude the 12 pro also enhance the selfie after clicking it in photos,my 13 pro is doing it and i its making me darker
Thanks for the thorough comparison!
Thanks a lot for making this video. I always watch your videos specially the camera comparison between phones
The new cameras aren’t really better both perform good i think it’s more of a preference kinda thing & cinematic videos is cool but I’d never use it, with that being said I can’t wait to see how they try and wow us next year.
if its cameras and battery this year then im guessing its gonna be design and features next year.
Bigger sensor is a real thing...photo quality is just better, especially on low light. But if you're not taking much low light photo, then yes you don't need an upgrade.
Great video Danny 👍🏻. Awesome explanation. Cleared my mind of confusion. Thank you in helping in deciding my next phone.
😍Thank you so much for this video! It really helps
Amazing video!
Congrats and thanks for all infos about the cameras that is the point for me to change my phone this year.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE REVIEW 😭 REALLY APPRECIATE IT!!
Great video quality. To be fair you're right up there as one of the best!!
Awesome review, thank you! 👍🔥
I love the new Pixel-like contrast-y photos they're going for.
Dudes got strange loves, OW Chicago’s and TS1’s high and lows. 🔥🔥🔥
You're the best camera smartphones reviewer 👌🏼
Appreciate that!
love the pace of your sample shots
very good review, like always ! :)
13 pro is what I chose . I see no reason to Carry such a huge phone when the standard sized pro offers great battery life already and the features are the same as the pro max . Thank you apple for making features the same
Same in all ?????
@@jonhnash2030 pro and pro max share ALL the same features
pro max is for giants😭 i cant even reach my finger on the other side of the screen
Ip 13 pm I like it big just the way ladies like it
From the shots I'm seeing the 13 Pro has the edge, definitely.
Excellent review, thank you.
Nothing that you can't change with any pic editing app...
Cinematic Mode and it's *10 hour Screen On time (SOT)* battery life are the only 2 reasons I need to upgrade. 👌🏻
ONLY? You got to watch at least the low light camera comparison. You might be surprised.
@@dannywinget compare 13 pro max with s21 ultra plz🙏
Also if possible do include vivo x70 pro plus or whatever its called
120hz too
I get 8.5 hours on my 12 Pro Max. Hardly enough to upgrade.
@@techsteveo7913 it's capped at 60hrz
The only reason that one should upgrade from iphone 12 pro is to brag about having the newest iphone.
The refresh rate is cool, the "smallest" notch is insignificant and the camera "upgrades" or more precisely "software upgrades" are for the ones like us that are watching the tiniest detail on youtube reviews. No change for 99% of customers or real life scenarios.
Don't get me wrong, iphones are solid phones and offer great quality (maybe overpriced for some people) but it's a shame that Apple doesn't offer any innovation in the smartphone department. Maybe next year they will offer in-display fingerprint unlock and some camera tweaks
Please have a comparison between ip12 pro max, ip13 pro and s21u. I wonder if this year upgrade is any significant
the perfect night photos to be honest as night being night not day which it used to be in all previous iphones and still all androids tend to turn the night into day. i personally like the new more natural night mode and thats how it should be. this phone is the closest to what a pro dslr captures at night
The iphone 13 seems great but I don’t know if I should get the 12 pro or 13 pro
I’m gonna use the iPhone 13 only for my music videos & pics…so far the XR so far is extremely clear & awesome
Gonna get the iPhone 12 pro it’s still a good upgrade from my XR
I'm thinking the same
iPhone 12 pro is better
@@junexdaman6671 had it for 2 days seems a good upgrade so far mate you will probs be able to find a good deal on one as well
This video was great, thank you! 🙌🏿
Video on camera start 5 mins into the video
Nice video ..👍🏻
And I am really happy that apple brought back some natural contrast to there photos because every photo from the 12 pro last year lacks contrast that that made me not like it that much
But this time they finally fixed it and then the photographic styles and really and bonus ..👌👌👌
The photos are nearly identical. The only difference is the contract and saturation levels on the 13 Pro. The night mode shots are identical and the noise reduction on the 13 is probably due to software/increased contrast hiding the noise. The only real upgrade to this new phone are the Cinematic mode and Photographic styles (which should have been offered to ALL previous Pro models. I’m sure it isn’t that hard to process for the 12 Pro internal chip)
The night mode shots is the wrong area to use "identical" as they differ more. You may see better results in the RAW photographyif you do that kind of thing.
Danny im impresst of the battery on the 13 . The iphone 13 pro max last almost 10h!.wow monster even with 120 on. Im a Android/Samsung user
Dont really want to know the difference between 13 pro and 12 pro max. But surely waiting for your camera comparison between 13 pro s21 ultra and mi 11 ultra. Love your camera comparisons.
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My iPhone 📱 12 pro Max does the portrait mode too 💆🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Galaxy S21 Ultra vs IPhone 13 pro max camera comparison please!!
ProRes video encoding is a huge amazing novelty actually!
Always love Danny's camera comparison. Interesting subjects and lots of photos
S21 ultra and 13 pro max comparison video will be awesome 👌
The problem with 10x is that you need 5x in the middle between the main camera to have a consistent change, otherwise you will see a massive blurry pictures between 3-9x and having 4 camera means an significant design and cost change.
And really, no one really uses the 10x in the Samsung, based on reviews I have heard.
iphone 13 pro’s ultrawide still could’ve been better with competing against the androids, it’s not a massive difference from last year
you mean it's a tiny difference from last year
Yea that sucks, apple should move on from those tiny lame 12mp sensors tbh, they should go to periscope lens that allows 10x optical and 100x digital for the next generation, also a 48mp ultrawide would be decent, OnePlus and Samsung killed it this year with their fantastic ultrawides.
Make the comparison with 12 Pro Max vs 13 Pro Max 🙌🏻
What a beautiful family you have Danny
Thanks Danny. Great comparison of photos and Videos. Quality review.
Great comparison Danny! I just wonder of people are so much into blurry backgrounds and night photo why just not simply buy proper camera? Phones are getting little better but cameras nowdays are miles ahead from phones. You get as long zoom as you want and proper macro.
I see it being the opposite. I never bring a camera with me anywhere now since smartphones are so good.
Thank you for enlightening me on the photo module, in short personally I don't see a difference that justifies spending on the 13 pro
Awesome. I’m hoping to find a vid of the iPhone 12 (regular) vs the iPhone 13 Pro for those of us on the 12 who are considering finally making the jump to the iPhone Pro
Same.
Did u find it? Worth ?
@@ubaldo2167 no but I ended up getting the 13 pro a year ago and it was definitely worth it. Amazing photos.
@@wittig7730 thanks. Going for the pro then. Hoping the camera worth Every dolar
When MrWhosTheBoss tested the battery on iPhone 13 Pro Max,he got 9hrs and 17 mins which beat the Galaxy S21 Ultra's 8 hours and became the new battery king.
But apps doesn't support 120 hertz whereas on the S21 Ultra, every app supports it. Not a single app on the 13s support 120 hertz. Not even the settings
@@carver9312 Oh
Great comparison! Thie is what I wanna see the difference between 12promax vs 13pro. Should I upgrade still hesitating…
There are some of those in this video! Not a lot but I do show some. Also night time video. I may do a dedicated camera comparison since people are wondering.
@@dannywinget Yes pls that would be great
Small differences I'd say, though you may like the bigger flexibility of the 3x and macro. Depends how into cameras you are
Came here for the review but those shoes to the right are straight heat! sheeeesh!
which is better to buy iphone 13 or iphone 12 pro ?
Please do a comparison of 12 Pro Max with 13 Pro Max.
Good vid bruh!
Appreciate you homie!
Ty for the video😘
Front facing camera on the 12 looks more realistic than the 13
Since portrait mode in FaceTime for the 12 pros works on the front/back camera fairly well .
Does that mean we could gain some sort of portrait video mode in the further on the 12 pros?
I doubt that, even XS has portrait in FaceTime. Also, since the camera didn’t change that much in many scenarios they would never destroy the selling point of the 13.
Unfortunately Apple doesn't seem to like backporting features from newer iPhones, despite having processors that would be capable of such things
Wow. Did you edit any of these shots? They look good. Especially on the ultrawide. i've seen slightly worse shots on the ultrawide from other reviews
No edits. My camera comparisons are always straight out of the camera.
Thanks for this review, I will keep my 12 pro max
-finally... I wait for your video hehehe
Hey Danny, 13 pro vs s21 ultra camera compariso in the works?
very good review!!
Sir please make a video on s21 ultra vs iPhone 13 pro max camera comparison please!!!
I see hardly any difference. Im sticking with 12 pro. I would never use the new features anyway
I hope there is the option to change up the black point slightly as shadows are crushed a little more on the new iPhones.
Super video!!
Keep it up man...
12 pro max has more brightness.
nice review :)
THIS IS WHAT WE CALL “REVIEW”
you have the best actors in the family. Sorry bro its not you.
Whatcha mean brotha
No love that’s what he means lol