Andy has a really amazing analysis of the music business. Love Andys talking, and I love Phils unboxing videos, specially CD box sets. I really like the both of you, great channels!
So great that my two favorite British music podcasters -are having a hard discussion about the realities of the new music business, excellent! Andy has some very valuable insights that I hope all the people will heed if they are musicians, and ‘, Phil I hope you hip Andy to the magnificence of AndyTillisons Tangent recording ‘ to follow Polaris’ . Oh, by the way, if either one of you do come up with a way to send a sausage and egg roll sandwichthrough the iPad. You will be multibillionaires.!!!lol.
Phil, Excellent interview ! I recently read that the AI (Artificial Intelligence) is a worry for performers and musicians. Thank you both for the video !!
Watched this earlier today over on Patreon Phil. Really interesting discussion. Many of the things Andy talks about are the concepts laid out in Kevin Kelly’s famous “1000 True Fans” essay back in 2008. Basically you don’t need lots of fans you just need a small core of dedicated ones. As musicians, or indeed as content creators, we can still make a living if we engage with the business and the audience in a modern way, but I do think that outside of the pop world we won’t ever see the same amounts of money that we did in the past. Another great video as usual. 🙂
Is it better than ever for musicians?. Haven't you got to put extra effort into promoting yourself rather than concentrating on writing/performing. Just a thought. What do I know? Edwards is highly intelligent and experienced in the industry.
I think The Enid was the first group to crowdfund an LP, with their Something Wicked This Way Comes album, many years before Marillion. Great content though.
I've had a 40+ year career in semi pro and pro music ( primarily as a drummer ) . Most of the people that I have encountered who have been involved in the "the industry" ( from the 70's and 80's ) are traumatised by it ( not unlike war veterans ) ... All of the bands / projects that I have had involvement with that actually earned money or achieved recognition were not involved with "the industry" at all ... However , if a signed artist or band manages to shake off their tainted industry ties early enough and then maintain their own brand / business from there on in , operating on their own terms whenever possible , that is the best chance of turning the whole venture into a commercially viable/ lucrative operation for themselves ... Most industry victims are seduced when they are far too young and eager for fame , at a time when they are too lazy and assume that everything will and should be done for them . It's a steep and tough learning curve ( or a shit business , to correctly quote Les McQueen from The League of Gentlemen ) .
Andy is right about most of this stuff, but he also has to realize that he’s a known musician, so it’s much easier to catch fire when you do a TH-cam channel, if you are a nobody musician it’s much harder.
I think there was a time (1970) when the music hit the charts without you looking like a Film Star? Slade were a set of blokes, as were Jethro Tull, Family etc also I recall Curved Air were handed a 100,000 pound advance by Warner Brothers, massive money! so there was Big Money available. But, I'm guessing that Steve Hackett for instance makes more now than he did with Genesis? Ticket prices lower than the normal...still 50 quid but I've paid more, merch reasonable prices too..just saying?
Who would give an unknown band a £100,000 advance now? The record company has to get a return back and then some, Hackett is a legacy artist so he has an existing and traditional audience but where's that return coming from on a new band or artist.
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Andy has a really amazing analysis of the music business.
Love Andys talking, and I love Phils unboxing videos, specially CD box sets.
I really like the both of you, great channels!
Like others have said, both of you are my two of my must watches on TH-cam. Thank you.
Two of my favorite TH-cam personalities together. Excellent conversation. I was in the music biz in the 90s and you can’t stop technology.
Excellent to see you together at long last.
2 of my favourite YT channels ❤
Take care Jonathan
Wow. My two favorite TH-cam people in one place.
This is a fantastic model that Andy is suggesting and promoting here- genius.
Great viewing Phil. Really interesting. I also follow Andy. He’s certainly a clever bloke 👍🏽
Very interesting conversation Phil, Andy speaks wise words.
Good watch a couple of blokes having a blether , informative , entertaining, and laid back 👌
Thank you 🙏
I have to be honest you guys are awesome.
No foul language and you do it with passion ❤❤❤
Thank you 🙏
Insightful conversion. Thank you Phil and Andy.
I subscribe to both of you! Thanks for your work, gents.
Thank you 🙏
Excellent Phil, saw Andy many times with Robert Plant and Priory of Brion.
My two favourite music you tubers.
Love Andy. Right on the money
Bob Lefsetz covers much of this in his daily emails.
Never heard of Andy but this video was excellent and i'll be checking him out.
VERY NICE EXCHANGE want more of that
This was a fascinating episode and opened my eyes to something I had not really pondered.
Thanks Phil and Andy - very insightful
Glad you enjoyed it
Dear Phil, A great and fascinatng video.This reveals the innermost workings of the music industry - as it used to be and how it is now.
Awesome conversation, very informative! Thanks Phil and Andy!
Indeed it was
Thank you 🙏
So great that my two favorite British music podcasters -are having a hard discussion about the realities of the new music business, excellent! Andy has some very valuable insights that I hope all the people will heed if they are musicians, and ‘, Phil I hope you hip Andy to the magnificence of AndyTillisons Tangent recording ‘ to follow Polaris’ . Oh, by the way, if either one of you do come up with a way to send a sausage and egg roll sandwichthrough the iPad. You will be multibillionaires.!!!lol.
Phil, Excellent interview ! I recently read that the AI (Artificial Intelligence) is a worry for performers and musicians. Thank you both for the video !!
Great video by two of my favourite youtubers,really enjoyed this lads great content 👌
Two guys talking sense ❤love it
Interesting interview. I think Andy needs to review sausage rolls on his channel.
Watched this earlier today over on Patreon Phil. Really interesting discussion. Many of the things Andy talks about are the concepts laid out in Kevin Kelly’s famous “1000 True Fans” essay back in 2008. Basically you don’t need lots of fans you just need a small core of dedicated ones.
As musicians, or indeed as content creators, we can still make a living if we engage with the business and the audience in a modern way, but I do think that outside of the pop world we won’t ever see the same amounts of money that we did in the past.
Another great video as usual. 🙂
That was fascinating stuff 👍
Thank you for this very helpful information
Glad it was helpful!
Two of the best on TH-cam together, brilliant but it's doing something odd to my brain. 😂
I subscribe to both channels--both excellent and both came from Sea of Tranquility
Enjoyed this very much Phil. I learn something new from your guests each interview. thanks, Pat
Bandcamp is amazing
Agree on the not looking at Wikipedia that's boring, and as some channels do keep pulling out oooh i have this look at me bla bla bla
You guys never mention numbers of subscribers which is awesome it's like 2 guys down the pub brilliant
44:15 This will be a great video
47:19 great idea
Is it better than ever for musicians?. Haven't you got to put extra effort into promoting yourself rather than concentrating on writing/performing.
Just a thought. What do I know? Edwards is highly intelligent and experienced in the industry.
I think The Enid was the first group to crowdfund an LP, with their Something Wicked This Way Comes album, many years before Marillion. Great content though.
Sausage Roll Double Album ?
On pastry coloured vinyl
Hell-bent on 3d printing a Greggs' sausage roll.
I'll save the music industry later.
Maybe.
Midlands Musos Unite !
I felt my Brummie accent getting stronger the longer the interview went on !
Phil, bought camel box set cause of you and wishbone live box set cause of you, had tin lizzy before you but still wor eh ? Wor eh ? Say no more.
I've had a 40+ year career in semi pro and pro music ( primarily as a drummer ) . Most of the people that I have encountered who have been involved in the "the industry" ( from the 70's and 80's ) are traumatised by it ( not unlike war veterans ) ... All of the bands / projects that I have had involvement with that actually earned money or achieved recognition were not involved with "the industry" at all ... However , if a signed artist or band manages to shake off their tainted industry ties early enough and then maintain their own brand / business from there on in , operating on their own terms whenever possible , that is the best chance of turning the whole venture into a commercially viable/ lucrative operation for themselves ... Most industry victims are seduced when they are far too young and eager for fame , at a time when they are too lazy and assume that everything will and should be done for them . It's a steep and tough learning curve ( or a shit business , to correctly quote Les McQueen from The League of Gentlemen ) .
Andy is right about most of this stuff, but he also has to realize that he’s a known musician, so it’s much easier to catch fire when you do a TH-cam channel, if you are a nobody musician it’s much harder.
I think there was a time (1970) when the music hit the charts without you looking like a Film Star? Slade were a set of blokes, as were Jethro Tull, Family etc also I recall Curved Air were handed a 100,000 pound advance by Warner Brothers, massive money! so there was Big Money available. But, I'm guessing that Steve Hackett for instance makes more now than he did with Genesis? Ticket prices lower than the normal...still 50 quid but I've paid more, merch reasonable prices too..just saying?
Who would give an unknown band a £100,000 advance now? The record company has to get a return back and then some, Hackett is a legacy artist so he has an existing and traditional audience but where's that return coming from on a new band or artist.