ما وراء مأزق علم الفلك | Beyond The Stalemate Of Cosmology
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I started looking into Islam because of this man. God bless him.
Aameen,ya rabbalaalameen
هذا ما يسمي بالجدال العقيم الذي لا يلد شيئا ولا يغير من الحقائق الثابته ومن التاريخ اعتقد ان وجهه نظر عباس وطريقته ف الشرح والطرح اكثر قوة وصحيحه بشكل كبير والملحد ارتبك بسببها ولكنه كان يتكلم بثقه امام حمزة لان حمزة يتكلم عن اشياء لا يمكنه ان يثبتها للملحد لكن عباس يتكلم عن معجزة ماديه يمكن للجميع ان يراها
شاهد فيديو الاخ صبور مع هذا الملحد
لقد كانوا مثل المعلم و التلميذ
@@f15780 عندك الرابط لو سمحت جزاك الله خير اخي
@@222wesker
لقد وضعت لك الرابط في رد سابق لكنني لا ادري من قام بحذفه .
المهم ابحث في اليوتيوب : حوار صبور مع روب حول الالحاد
وسيظهر لك الفيديو
بالتوفيق
@@222wesker
هذا الرابط :
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اتمنى ان لا يتم حذفه
@@f15780 جزاك الله خير شكرا اخوي ماقصرت
شكرًا على الترجمة ❤️
أتمنى لدينا شارع مثل شارع المتحدثين في لندن ❤️ مكان رائع
Reem 99 من سبع المستحيلات ههه اتخيل في مسيحي مثلا يناقش مسلم بالاسلام بأي بلد عربي مسلم !او ملحد يتكلم ويتنتقد الاديان !هذي الشوراع مكانها للناس الراقيه والمفكره عشان كذا انا اعشق لندن ناس تحترم العقل والتفكير
المسلمون منغلقون فكريا ولا يتحملون مناقشة مثلا الملحد فمن المستبعد ان نرى ذلك
خل يكون عندنا شارع اول شي
Ahmad ليش المسلمين مغفلين ؟؟! عندك نماذج مثل حمزه وعباس ومنصور وكثير فيه عرب مسلمين واعين ومثقفين ؟ ما اعرف على اي اساس بنيت حكمك ؟
p lllo لأننا نعاني من قمع سياسي انتي لك آراء محدودة وماعندك حرية تعبير كيف بيتناقشون بحرية غير ان السياسة التسلطية القمعية الي يعانيها اغلب الشعوب العربية ماتهيئ هذا المناخ الحر للأسف
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين....
Abbas breaks it down so eloquently and makes it so clear, truly one is only guided to truth by the lord of the worlds 🙂
Zero will give you nothing but one can give you everythings. Allah is one😊
Does anybody know the full name of brother Abbas? Really want to know his academic background mashallah he’s so eloquent allahuma barik
(لَخَلۡقُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَ ٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ أَكۡبَرُ مِنۡ خَلۡقِ ٱلنَّاسِ وَلَـٰكِنَّ أَكۡثَرَ ٱلنَّاسِ لَا یَعۡلَمُونَ)
(وَمَا یَسۡتَوِی ٱلۡأَعۡمَىٰ وَٱلۡبَصِیرُ وَٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَعَمِلُوا۟ ٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتِ وَلَا ٱلۡمُسِیۤءُۚ قَلِیلࣰا مَّا تَتَذَكَّرُونَ)
[سورة غافر 58]
[سورة غافر 57]
This is one of the if not the best conversations I’ve heard at SC!!
Amazing Rob, when he asked to participate, he turn the conversation around, when he asked a question he will sneak and turn it to a question, when those conversing him, they start to talk because Rob has very little to contribute, he accuses them as a monologuest, when Hamzah say to Rob ok speak as u were listing long time, he refuse to talk, i think the man confused, he has very little to say, he want some one else to speak as he is not an expert, in the same time he is an expert accusing Muslims of inability to grasp complex scientific subjects, that when he arrived here in speaker corner, my question to Rob, what exactly you want Sir, make your mind after watching the video and see how often u were switched off, may be u will be shocked to know that.
He didn't refuse to talk. He tried, but immediately got cut off by Hamza again.
Tenzek sir just go to minute 39 and listen what the conversation carefully what Hamzah clearly saying : “you haven’t spoken for long time”, the response was rejection of Rob to speak, the man is either not normal, or he think his tactic to cover up his weakness by not saying any thing than either complains behind their back as normally he does, or reverse the conversation after offered to talks because HE HAS NOTHING TO SAY, HE IS VERY WEAK IN KNOWLEDGE, that’s is understandable from the Atheist, they know they are not standing on firm grounds, they are followers like sheep, most of them don’t know the Atheism is a religion, leave alone that why they are atheist to start with in the 1st place, ask them that question, they revert to the creator to justify their belief, its absurd.
Rob is not different than any other Atheist, those Atheist who have an open minds, and they can think out of the box, I respect them, but if they don’t have any thing to stand on, and they take their protection from the Science, believing that, the science will be their savior and protector of their religion where they can attack the other religion, this was a Naif approach, and its shows how those Atheist stealth in the history of science is, so Islam surprised them unlike Christianity which was anti science and burnt the scientist alive, they still thinks all religion the same, but Islam surprises them, and they are so lazy to find out about Islam and its huge contributions to science, its Islam who gave science the Falsification Test used by scientist to date.
Here the clever atheist stuck, just like some one in Sahara desert stuck with his sedan cars, not knowing he require the four wheel drive, Islam is 12 wheel drive if they think out of the box, so sir don’t try to defend some one who can’t defend his believe, because those poor atheist are weak in their beliefs, they are clever, highly qualified individuals in life, very knowledgeable in life, but the Atheism Religion is not helping them, it not having legs or the 4 wheeler to support them.
That’s why I advice the Atheist like Rob, stop pretending, Islam is not Christianity, Islam produced enough scientists, without the Islamic scientist, you wouldn’t able to use your current computer, so have a pause sir, and think out of the box, and choose justice over ego, and pragmatism of arrogance, knowledge over illiteracy , and u will find this worlds is different.
@@amsamsamamsamsam8022 Yes, he said he didn't speak for a long time, because he politely listened to a very, very long explanation from Abbas during which he was not given any opportunity to speak. He even tried to ask Abbas to stop, but Abbas refused and kept talking. It's fair to apologize for that.
I find irony in the guy claiming Islam gets credit for computers telling me not to be egoistic or arrogant.
Tenzek thank u for your reply, dear sir, this man never speaks all times, he is good in turning the question to a new one, so how u want him to speak, just examine all his videos, you find how he sneak out from speaking, I feel sorry for him, let’s give this to the benefit of mr Rob, but the whole video deny him that, and all his videos contribution never help mr Rob your defense, he is well known, and u can go and watch the various videos since he came, they all the same.
He is a clever man no doubt on that, but he is not helped by atheist religion which he either been deceived to it, or he is a believer and want to deceive others, the reality is, the atheism is not helping a person like Rob, there is no leg for the atheism so Rob can stand on, its not Robs problem at all.
That’s why my advice to Rob is, just be honest to your self, think out of the box, find out the Theism, and Atheism out of the box, than u decide, for all here, Islam doesn’t coerce people, if they don’t get satisfaction, thats is fine, if they do and done their home works, than Islam welcome you.
Good example is India, Malaysia, Indonesia, all these nations embraced Islam by their own well, if there were coercion, india would have been Muslim.
The other thing is different in Islam is, it doesn’t Rob those nation it rule and doesn’t transfer wealth of the nation to Muslims or Islamic capital, unlike others who drained and robbed all nations from their wealth and heritage, robbing their treasures of their heritage, shifting complete museum to the capitals of invader, and easily justifying the looting.
In contrast, Islam allow those country to rule themselves, isn’t that amazing, there is no comparison between Islam and its justice to all those countries exposed to Islam and between all other imperialist system, some were cutting hands of people’s if they couldn’t bring certain amount of rubbers for the masters, thats is never happened in Islam as a system, but its a norm with atheist run countries, all Christian countries have independent system where the rulers is an atheist or so called instead “ secular “, these so called seculars have no mercy, got it.
VISUAL PROOF OF THE BELGIAN GENOCIDE IN CONGO
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@@amsamsamamsamsam8022 ... alright.
بارك الله فيكم و جزاكم الله خيراً على الترجمة
Knowledge in this world just a drop of water out of 7 oceans... those who is studying god knowledge will end up with crazy i suppose...i believe the destination of final knowledge will shows how great is Allah
Here is logical proof for the necessary existence of an uncaused Cause, why this uncaused cause necessarily is sentient, and why Islam is worth investigating:
*Indisputable Claim:* _there are causes for effects._
To deny causality you prove causality because your skepticism is something caused. This claim is impossible to refute.
*Question 1:* _So there are these causes for things that we discover. Will this causal chain of discovery go on forever or come to an end?_
*Question 2:* _Can this causal chain go on forever? Is it possible?_
No it's not possible. If the causal chain went on forever, we would not exist because the cause that caused our existence one hop before us on the causal chain would have to have first been caused. And that cause that caused us would have to be caused another hop away. And then that one another hop away. And then that one another hop away. And then that one another ho....
And considering we would not come to existence in an infinite causal chain, there *necessarily* must have been an uncaused cause; our existence is proof there must have been an uncaused cause.
*Contention 1:* _what if everything arose from nothing?_
That would be impossible both logically and scientifically; if this were even a reasonable challenge, every scientific theory could be explained away with nothingness being the cause of any natural phenomena, which is absurd.
*Contention 2:* _What if the uncaused cause is the universe; the universe could be eternal!_
The universe contains time, and if the universe were eternal there'd be an infinite history of past events; an infinite history of past events means we'd never reach the present, for the same reason an infinite causal chain would never lead to us being created. Before time could flow to the present, an infinite history must precede it and it could never precede it, because infinite doesn't end.
All that's left is the uncaused cause. We've established that an uncaused cause is necessary because we exist, so now let's ask more questions:
*Question 3:* _what are the necessary attributes this uncaused cause necessarily possesses, being an uncaused cause?_
This uncaused cause must be independent. Why? Because it originated everything and has no cause, so it's *necessarily* independent. The keyword is necessarily. Meaning an uncaused cause that isn't independent cannot be an uncaused cause.
It must have possessed power due to the ability to produce the universe. Because it's independent, it *necessarily* doesn't depend on a power source, so its power is limitless.
Now, with all the power in the world, it cannot produce a cup of coffee without the will to choose to make a cup of coffee or not to make a cup of coffee, meaning will is essential/necessary ingredient to produce things and power isn't enough. The ability to choose to do or choose not to do: we exist, so the uncaused cause *necessarily* requires a will to have chosen us to exist. In addition, because it's independent, the uncaused Cause's will is superior to the will of any other conscious beings. So if I will to board my plane and this uncaused Cause wills for me not to board my plane, I will not board my plane. Its will is necessarily independent of our will and is supreme over ours.
It must have knowledge, which is required to make a choice. Some knowledge of the choices must be known in order to choose to do x or y or abstaining. Due to the *necessary* independence of this Uncaused Cause, it cannot depend on a source of knowledge which necessitates that its knowledge is limitless.
*Contention 3:* _What if the Uncaused Cause is not sentient, but some sort of mechanical process, like a multiverse generator, that constantly generates universes at random and we're just one of those universes?_
This would be impossible because the Uncaused Cause must be something independent and a mechanical process, like the multiverse generator, cannot do other than what it's programmed or designed to do, which necessarily means it cannot be independent and impossible for it to be the Uncaused Cause.
*Contention 4:* _The concept of Creator is impossible because the Creator cannot create something without time and causality is dependent on time._
I would challenge the claim that causality is dependent on time and say that time is actually dependent on causality. Reason being, time is the motion from past towards present/future, which means the present/future is caused by this motion, so to speak. If time is the parent and causality is its child, time must be independent of causality which it is not. In fact, causality seems to be an order of events and time is the motion between these events. To say it is impossible for a Creator to create because of time is akin to saying it's impossible for a Creator, with limitless power and knowledge, to give motion to motionless events, which is absurd.
So far, we've deduced this uncaused cause must have absolute independence, necessarily have limitless power, limitless intelligence, and a will to choose.
*Do you see why people believe now?*
The only religion whose God is consistent with the logically deductible uncaused Cause is *Judaism* and *Islam.*
There are no other religions that fit this criteria...
Hatem Elsharidy , only in the bible is our beginning pointed out how we began.
in gen 1 our CREATOR SAW HE WAS over the deep. question, how did HE SEE the deep? answer HIS BEING IS LIGHT. john 1:1-7.
next in gen HE SEPARATED HIMSELF from the emptiness. (HE CREATED HIS HEAVEN) and from HIS LIGHT (suns have all known elements) and HE SENT PART OF HIMSELF into the emptiness.
thus a spewing, not a bang.
You say that, _"To deny causality you prove causality because your skepticism is something caused. This claim is impossible to refute."_
My skepticism doesn't encompass all things, nor does it fall in the same category as the start of a universe. To say that skepticism has a cause, and therefore it cannot be disputed that universe does too, is comically simple. I consider this to be overwhelmingly obvious, and I don't understand how you could miss that before making such a comment.
Even if we had only examples of causality within the universe, it would be a category error to extend that conclusion to the universe as a whole, but further we have empirical evidence that _"causal super-positioning"_ is a possibility. Therefore, we are not bound logically nor empirically by the claim even within the universe. This is the crux of the stalemate. We just don't know and we need to accept that honestly if we wish to ever have an answer to the question that is also honest.
I think I would be inclined to agree with you that any cause would necessarily be eternal or timeless if we could demonstrate that an external cause to the universe is required, but until we can get past that we can't put forward any conclusion.
@@Tenzek hey Tenzek. Your first paragraph completely misunderstood what I was saying and that's why it seems comical to you, because I wasn't saying what you are claiming I'm saying.
I also never once mentioned a universe during my argument, except as a response to contentions below so your whole Refutation is misdirected. And yes, I have demonstrated why an eternal universe is impossible, it's one of the first contentions addressed.
@@helsharidy123 I don't actually believe that I missed your point. Your point was stated clearly - that causality cannot be denied. You arrived there by fallacious means. It is that simple.
@@helsharidy123 Did you delete your last comment or did TH-cam simply filter it out? I got a notification e-mail but I don't see it posted here. Is it still necessary to answer?
ونعم الجهاد يا رفقاء
benlrhali mohamed can u help me plz for humanity plz muslims brother? I'm from India.
Abbas is love ❤
جزاكم الله خيرا
Beautiful Hamza beautiful Abbas
assalamualaikum...where is Muhammad tawheed.....your dakwah is great...hamzah is amaizing..
Salam Alaykum 💓👍🏽
يرجى ترجمت جميع الفيديوهات 🤔
ترجمة*
Rob wasn't able too challenge hamza's closmological argument too be honest I always expect that.
الله اكبر لا إله إلا الله
بارك الله لكم على الترجمه
جزاكم الله خيرا على الترجمة
سبحان الله الملحدون اذا جاءهم الحق يتهربون بطريقة غبيه يقول الله ان في صدورهم إلا كبر ما هم ببالغيه ويقول سبحانه كذالك حقت كلمت ربك على اللذين فسقوا انهم لا يؤمنون
Bissmilahi Rah-Haman Rah-Him,
He’s Right, Nothing Has Begun To Exist UNTIL☝🏾AnyThing Exist. This Is Coming From A Muslim Wallahi Bil-La-Hi Tal-La-Hi ! But If Something Comes To Exist Then It Has Beginning!
P.S: The Answer To Your Problem Is In The Statement. It Applies To Alif Lam-Mim :) 43:35.
great vision brother well done keep it up we love you
masha ALLAH
First
هناك أخطأ صغيرة في ترجمة وجزاكم الله خيرا انشاء الله
rob is a great listener
كل يوم يزيد اعجابي اني بهذه المدينة اتمني ان اسكن فيها أوحتي ازورها💜
“I don’t know” why so hard to admit 🤣
35:45 خطأ في الترجمة يرجى التعديل على الترجمة جزاك الله خيرا.
Great observation
أنا أشوف أن الغرب يجب أن لا يتطوروا حتى لا يلحدوا ...
التطور يجب أن يكون من قبِل المسلمين ولكن للأسف ,,,,,,,,,
فهود القحطاني
إذا لايوجد تطور و وعي سياسي فلا يوجد تطور حضاري او بالأصح لا مجال له
وواقعنا يثبت ذلك
لاينقصنا العقل او اننا نعاني من قلة الذكاء لكن الوضع السياسي السيء يعيق التحضر للأسف
الضعف السياسي والعسكري هم سبب لعدم تقدم المسلمين او العرب بالأصح
هو يتحدث عن المستوى الكمي والذي لابد له من رصد
ويسقطه على احتمالية غير صالحة
هم يقولون له بان ادعاءك علميا لايصلح لانه لا يتوفر على شروط المستوى الكمي والتي لابد له من الرصد
اي ان نظريته مجرد ادعاء لا دليل له
Did Steve job create his gadgets from himself, Rob? Or did he create them from his ability, intelligence, will and knowledge, besides the materials? Like wise when the creator created the universe, he created it from his supreme knowledge, abilities, will and his power.
When you switch off, you'll never learn.
You're using the word creation in two very different ways there. Steve Jobs didn't create anything in the way that you claim a god did. Or perhaps you think he did and worship him as well.
Tenzek my point is, it takes will, knowledge, power, intelligence to bring something into existence, no matter what... nothing comes into existence without all this. ...logically speaking! Unless there is proof of any other way
@@AyubKhan-md4km Great. I am not sure what that has to do with anything though. Is there proof that anything was brought into existence in the way you think god created something? Designing and building something takes those things, but : 1) creation is something entirely different than that. 2) we have no reason to believe that creation ever happened.
Tenzek I would urge you to consider the vast amount of laws that are embedded into creation. Laws that are eligible for scientist to recognise. Clearly if laws are embedded into each and every atom, molecule, electron, proton etc, etc within the universe, the laws of gravity, the laws within physics, the laws within chemistry, the laws which exist within our bodies for it to function... and many other things that have laws governing it. Then, for us believers, these are absolute signs of intelligence, intent, immense power and knowledge behind all the materials that we see existing within the universe. Based on this criteria, one comes to the logical conclusion that this has come from an intent, a purpose. One can rationally conclude that all the above is not random or chaotic. It's is clearly designed by an all owerful and all knowing entity, whose will has brought everything has into existence and is governed by the laws of this entity
@@AyubKhan-md4km What do you think _"law"_ means in this context?
I don’t understand how atheists can go so far and so in depth to make all these arguments any theories to use all this big language and “randomness” and talk like the universe is eternal like it’s a minor thing. Anything to deny a creator
حمزه برافو عليك انك متعلم ومثقف جدا..حديثك عن فيزياء الكم والشق المزدوج. يثبت ذللك
بس سؤال اذا كنتم تستطيعون فهم العربية الاخ منصور كان بلفيديوهات القديمة شعره ولحيته بيضاء لكننا الان نراه بلحية سوداء وكما تعلمون كما ذكر عن الرسول صلوات الله عليه أنه قال غيرو الشيب واجتنبو السواد ... من باب النصيحة والتبليغ...جزيتم خيرا
27:37: You can just take out super natural being and replace it with Quantum vacuum and throw the question back at him.
You could, but then he can honestly admit we don't know what happened. That doesn't mean that we just believe in god because there is no convincing evidence for any possibility. Framing not knowing as a reason to believe one particular claim is not being consistent with reasoning.
Let me get this straight he thinks that humans before they became humans they were a bunch of molecules floating in space then suddenly they decide to come together and become humans?! Wow that would be a great movie
No, his argument is different than that. A single cell formed; they don't know how scientifically, but it just happened. Then, through evolution, or biological change over time which are just mutations, eventually the random mutations that were beneficial were kept and the ones that weren't died off by Natural Selection.
Hatem Elsharidy that doesn’t make sense it still doesn’t explain why
@@noureyahhussein1284 sister, all gases molecules like nitrogen, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, H2O vapour etc combined together to form carbohydrates,amino acids, lipids , lipoproteins etc..get surrounded by a membrane known as plasma membrane. The jelly like semi-solid, granular material surrounded by plasma membrane is called as protoplasm ,in which nucleus was made up of nucleic acid like DNA, RNA and many other cellular organelles. These protoplasm have property of division.So, After multiple divisions embryos of different species formed.. finally living creatures including human beings formed too, our all genetic material is concentrated in Our DNA which found in nucleus of cell.. further mutations lead to speciation and genetic variations.
ambitious ambitious 1. Im a girl not a guy
2. Im not asking how they form I know all that..
3. Im just saying that he believes they randomly decided to come together which doesn’t make sense
How can a highly designed being be randomly created
Its like saying a tree exploded and a chair was formed
@@noureyahhussein1284 I'm talking about cellular organisms means eukaryotes. Only mutations are random process ,it depends on environmental factors. Formation of protoplasm is a chemical reaction as we read in chemistry book about chemical reactions. We all know carbohydrates, proteins (basically essential and non essential amino acids) , different types of lipids , synthetic lipids like lipoproteins, synthetic carbohydrates like glycoproteins, glycolipids etc can be formed at favourable conditions (even in labs).. according to book high temperature,high pressure leads to coalescence of molecules of these different gases and new molecules are formed which are known as DNA, RNA, different proteins, lipids, carbohydrates etc.
We can't say you're absolutely wrong, which is the point of agnostic atheism or "weak atheism" as he explained in the video. That's why he said he holds that position. What we can say is that, given that there are other possibilities and the actual fact is unknown, there is no reason to accept your particular beliefs.
I like the question asked by Abbas at 11:34, although I am not sure I accept that the possibilities are limited to the two he mentions. Hypothetically, what if after such a study it turns out that we aren't impressed, and conclude a human at the time could have done such a thing?
ambitious ambitious Your comment didn't show up here on YT for me, but I did get to read it via e-mail. Along with your explanation, you asked _"Can you clarify what's third thing you're thinking about that ???? "_ I wanted to make sure I answered that.
To be clear, I am not thinking of a single third possibility. The idea I am trying to express is that we're basing the possibilities we list on our understanding, yet we are also admitting that we are discussing an unknown that goes beyond our understanding. If our understanding is flawed, there may be no reason to invoke a cause of any sort for example.
There is no way to say that the reasons the Muslims explain in the video cannot be true, but that is because it is an unknown. For the same reason, we also cannot say that any other claim about the subject cannot be true. We can't say that anything contradicts our knowledge if we're talking about an unknown, and therefore do not have knowledge to be contradicted. That is my understanding of what the stalemate they mention is.
@@sarahs8976 Why worship anything?
@@Tenzek Brother, I love to pray for my Creater . only Creater have given me a chance to do something better for myself,my family and other helpless needy people. So I love to pray Almighty God. I love that Creater as I love my Mom and Dad. Many newborns die before they able to recognise their parents, siblings but luckily I have got that opportunity. So I'm grateful to Creater for all this.
@@sarahs8976 Alright. Those seem like some very specific beliefs that I don't understand how you arrived at, but I wouldn't argue with your right to hold personal beliefs. Thanks for taking the time to explain your beliefs, and have a good weekend.
@@Tenzek yeah bro, take time and search your way what you like. . I prefer to pray according to Islamic way but I like my own country culture ,I hate Arabians culture.Good luck Brother. Have a nice weekend too.
روب هذا ألم يكشف جهله صبور من قبل ومازال يراوغ
Why is Rob back in SC. He got destroyed by saboor. He should never return here until he can explain the orgin of reason
"Random" A pattern which science yet can't explain. There is no such thing as random.
Lik
Dragons actually existed ! Lmao
سبحان الله
يتحدثون معه من الناحية العلمية المثبتة
والتي هو يؤمن بها ويعارض
ماهذا الغباء
rob is one of the most insincere people at SC