Why Mormons Shouldn’t Support Social Justice

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  • @johnbrodie9239
    @johnbrodie9239 4 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    A woke mormon is an ex-mormon.

    • @henochparks
      @henochparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha you related to the outed scammer Fawn Brody?

    • @tomweisser6203
      @tomweisser6203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Truth

  • @CurriedFavor
    @CurriedFavor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    I do regular pilgrimages to Trader Joes.

    • @Earthpsalm
      @Earthpsalm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So do I! It truly is a holy place.

    • @2Charri
      @2Charri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I haven't heard much of the Trader Joe's doctrine. Maybe you could send some missionaries my way.

    • @redcurrantart
      @redcurrantart 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@2Charri convert to the way of Kung Pao Cauliflower and Attain the way of the enlightened. Verily verily I say unto to you. Amen.

  • @hannahtaylor6235
    @hannahtaylor6235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    sam gradually getting angrier and angrier is so relatable hahah

  • @DeMiRoxmysox02
    @DeMiRoxmysox02 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When you went into the “raised by biological parents” part… *cries in adopted*

  • @Naiimahh
    @Naiimahh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    "I didn't feel shame, I just recognise that I'm a product of my conditioning."
    I swear to God if everyone just fucking accepted this, the world would fix itself.
    I remember crying in my Bishop's office because I was devastated at the thought of my friend not being able to have a family because he was gay. It ended up being the reason I left the church (I was so numb to the racism at that point it took something else).
    I don't feel ashamed of being a straight woman, I have no control over my sexuality but I sure as hell recognise that I am inherently homophobic because the world is built that way and it's MY job to deprogram and educate myself to make the world better for gay people.
    We're all contributing to an oppressive system in one way or another, whether we are actively advocating for oppressive policies or by being silent. It's the fucking knee jerk defensiveness that people need to get over.
    The church and it's members seem to be committed to being on the wrong side of history.

    • @bellajaid
      @bellajaid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was speaking to my bishop at my doctor's appointment (yay Mormonism! Lol) and I was telling him how my morals didn't align with the church and I couldn't accept the church's plight against equal rights for the LGBT community. He told me maybe the church wasn't for me. I think he was trying to say I need to change my morals to fit the church, but I heard if your morals don't align you need to find your own way. He was and is a good family friend and I appreciated his candid opinion. It was very off colour for every other interaction I had with the church.

    • @Naiimahh
      @Naiimahh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@prettymermaid2117 lol, yes I was a minority in that false church and I left. As have many others. You can be in denial all you want, it’s great! The more you deny it the more people will be able to see how willfully ignorant members of the church are and more will leave 🥰 Just like lots of black people left during the BLM marches last year because the racism jumped out of a lot of members 😍
      Keep doing the Lord’s work to push people away from your cult ❤️❤️❤️

    • @henochparks
      @henochparks 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      hahaha gay people don't have families? Are you on drugs? Mormons were anti slavery pumpkin. They were murdered,raped and driven from their homes because they were abolitionists in a pro slavery county long before there was a national movement against slavery. Joseph Smith was the first candidate to run for President on the first anti slavery party ticket. You are delusional ...get help.

    • @h.r.9563
      @h.r.9563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe the mormons were driven out of town for burning down the printing press that was speaking out about his child bride polyandry and polygamist atrocities. Why did he get tarred and feathered? Because he took a 16yr old TO WIFE and they wanted to castrate him, but decided against it.
      Now it has a spin as the poor prophet was so persecuted.

  • @ningenJMK
    @ningenJMK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Marrying your adopted daughter = good. Helping the minimalized classes, genders, and races = bad.

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      One side wants to kill unborn babies. The other side wants to kill convicted murderers. Whose right? Whose righter? A convicted murderer identifies as gender fluid and wants to marry your unborn child regardless of what the sex is because sex is a social consruct. Do you allow this to happen/? or A. Kill your unborn child/ or B. Kill a gender fluid murderer

    • @fuhtsgeorge7663
      @fuhtsgeorge7663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@thedunkirk7 that sounds so twisted it could only from the mind of a dogmatic clow. An uninformed one who knows nothing of social injustice and the lgbtqi community. Keep going to church and fostering your ignorance clown

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fuhtsgeorge7663 Yes i agree it is twisted, but you have it twisted. Nothing in my comment reveals where i stand on any issue, or my religiosity. You have fostered ignorance with these assumptions you make about me because my words triggered an emotional response. It happens. Now go back to watching woke tv you handsome devil.

    • @Neojhun
      @Neojhun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thedunkirk7 LOL Classic False Equivalence. Childish weak argument method.

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Neojhun Which one is the orange?

  • @lyndarich1824
    @lyndarich1824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I am new to this channel and I love it. I am an exJW and there are so many similarities. Only one absolute truth and each group claims it is them, not at all presumptuous!

    • @h.r.9563
      @h.r.9563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I once knew a JW that converted to Mormon, from one cult to the next

  • @ms.laurenv8738
    @ms.laurenv8738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I recently found a Mormon mom all over TH-cam and insta and I really liked what she had to say about being productive and staying on top of mom life. I didn’t know anything about Mormonism, so I just left that be in the same way I wouldn’t judge someone for being Christian or Budist or anything. But hearing the foundations of the mormon church broke my heart, and I’ve decided not to listen, support, or endorse her now. And my heart breaks for her children being raised in such a closed minded cult. Thank you for being a ray of truth. You both rock and I’m so glad to have found you!!! Stay awesome 👍🏻

    • @azukib2230
      @azukib2230 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I personally think if you like the mom’s content, then why not keep watching so that she can support her family as well. But unless the channel is actively representing and spreading Mormon doctrines, then yea that’s fair

    • @h.r.9563
      @h.r.9563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      But that's just it, any Mormon is promoting the church. They give 10% of all their money to the church so if you are fine with 10% of every dollar going to the corporation of latter day saints go ahead and support them. But as a raised mormon kid, not all the mormon parents are "kind and dear" behind closed doors.

    • @cherylstokes636
      @cherylstokes636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@h.r.9563 its so true, if you pay tithing you financially support abuse. I wont support those that support abusive systems

  • @somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704
    @somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Mormons really don't like the fact that no-one and nothing can be above criticism.

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So do Jews,...oh no, now i'm an Anti-Semite.

  • @SophiaBlegacyoffun
    @SophiaBlegacyoffun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Idk if y'all have a podcast but I'd listen the hell out of that

  • @mpea1043
    @mpea1043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    She just wants you to ignore the problem and "turn off like a lightswitch" the bad feelings.

  • @elisekate1754
    @elisekate1754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    As a leftie, I am also frustrated with it a lot of the time

    • @bellajaid
      @bellajaid 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      As we should be. Complacency is dangerous. We need to be able to think critically about our actions.

  • @Teebee300
    @Teebee300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Since finding this channel totally binge watching, I went to church for the social aspect. When I lost that after moving to a new county I had no reason to stay. I was 16 ish. Find my husband 7 years ago. He is mormon we have had fights many times about god and religion. He is better about being respectful at my views because he is starting to realize how happy I am. BUT after hearing the videos playing he says “still listening to the anti- Mormons” he claims he is still mormon but doesn’t believe in anything other than the core. Kindness to one another. It’s hard not to push him. I hope one day he can watch the videos on here and open his mind more.

  • @karlawatson2331
    @karlawatson2331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The absence of empathy was strongly felt and was extremely hard to deal with. Every person, ward, house were all the same.

  • @tianamatson
    @tianamatson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for being good people. You validate so many of my feelings.

  • @runenorderhaug7646
    @runenorderhaug7646 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I agree with you fully on their description of social justice being against reason and logic and them classifying reason and logic as supporting traditional views. If you think about it reason and logic is almost by definition counter to views staying traditional because it suggests when new evidence comes in, we need to reconstruct our ideas which can not be done by retaining the same exact view as before. Of course, they are not the first one to give this view of social justice and it is commonly circled around with the supposed idea of appealing to common sense which isnt actually reason or logic but is often framed as such. Reason and logic is often a good check and balance on emotion but that doesnt mean that things that are also powered by empathy are always not reasonable or logical especially when in a socital context they can benefit us all

  • @paintofheart8984
    @paintofheart8984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is so frustrating!! You guys make it entertaining and bearable to listen to so thanks for that! I also took a big hit, as I hope y’all did after reading this shit!

  • @elisekate1754
    @elisekate1754 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    2 videos within half an hour?
    Bring it

  • @luddlowvertakaclydecowley5905
    @luddlowvertakaclydecowley5905 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Apostates of the world unite, seize the means of spirituality!

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂😂

    • @Neojhun
      @Neojhun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly massive financially backed organization should not have the duopoly on spirituality.

  • @tach-ich-bins9730
    @tach-ich-bins9730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    We all oppress economically unprivileged people when we don’t care about working conditions of the people who make our clothes and our food (bananas, coffee, tea, cacao etc.) I try to do better but I don’t do it all the time

  • @chantalmercier7602
    @chantalmercier7602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I liked when Tanner pulled random lint out of his pocket

  • @ashleys9615
    @ashleys9615 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sam, ur hair is KILLING IT

  • @eiluvart0416
    @eiluvart0416 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NO WAY IM A INTP TOO also y’all are really cool and i’m binging your vids after a faith crisis, thx

  • @Simone_Subtle_Salt
    @Simone_Subtle_Salt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Interesting that the writer is pointing out that she feels "social justice" activist are claiming that white people have original sin. I would have never thought that. A good point I heard recently is that conservatives always view politics in a framework of hierarchies. Once I thought of that it made it a lot easier for me to understand their thinking. For example, this women seems to be scared that whites people could be subjected the same way that black people were in the Mormon church for decades. Makes sense. They just can't grasp we want equity for everyone not to put people down. Sorry that was a long comment. Love your hair today Sam! I've been experimenting with braids too, so much fun!

  • @somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704
    @somesortofdeliciousbiscuit3704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In terms of cutting off people you don't agree with - when I have consciously done this when some of that has been a difference in views, it usually isn't the whole story, more that the relationship was bad for me, usually me putting a disproportionate amount of emotional investment to a friendship when it transpired that I was more of an acquaintance to them.
    Removing bad friendships from your life is part of life if they overall drain you, not enrich you.

  • @Aelffwynn
    @Aelffwynn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Damn you guys got a Trader Joe's endorsement deal? Baller.

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, we are in the big leagues now ✨

  • @u2sweetestallie
    @u2sweetestallie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I have issues with articles that cannot scale. If you can only write to your tiny little pod, does it really have merit?

  • @acronen
    @acronen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The words "scholar" and "Ben Shapiro" go together about as well as the words "Joseph Smith" and "genuine prophet". Shapiro is too busy complaining about other people's feelings winning over the facts, while being lost in his own feelings and ignoring the facts. That dude is always hyper triggered by something.

    • @mylesmarkson1686
      @mylesmarkson1686 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I always wondered why Jews got such a bad rap, and then along comes Ben Shapiro... It all makes sense now.

    • @ivyrose779
      @ivyrose779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Myles Markson You don’t see the irony in your comment?

    • @mylesmarkson1686
      @mylesmarkson1686 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivyrose779 It was a joke. I'm sorry you didn't get it.

    • @ivyrose779
      @ivyrose779 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Myles Markson *whooossshhh* straight over my head lol

    • @mylesmarkson1686
      @mylesmarkson1686 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivyrose779 Hey Ivy, what do you get when you breed Pee Wee Herman with a malfunctioning robot? {Hint: His name rhymes with Shen Bapiro!}

  • @andrewpenney9992
    @andrewpenney9992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He backed up REALLY quick on that video game comparison 😂

  • @ashleyjohnston9282
    @ashleyjohnston9282 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A nice unexpected treat after a stressful day of work! Thanks guys!!!! I always enjoy your insights!

  • @shiraiterra
    @shiraiterra 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Somehow this video reminded me of that time I suggested that God was polygamous to my church friends. And how prolly we had different Celestial mother's. Or that we had one celestial mom and that every alien race had another Celestial mom under the same Heavenly father marriage. And I was sober for this conversation!

  • @AddamWonders
    @AddamWonders 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I was literally putting a sweet potato fry from Trader Joe's in my mouth when you mentioned them, haha!

  • @thealpha6924
    @thealpha6924 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I just want to say thank you. That fateful livestream was where the 🌚moongod idea first came up. But since then it has grown all my friends became part of the 🌚 religion one night we got together and jokingly wrote the 🌚scriptures (we were on that call for about 10 hours btw) and we have met people through the 🌚 jokes. But I have come back to honor where it all started right on this channel. All I can say is thank you. By mentioning the 🌚 on the live chat created a chain of special memories that 🌚 has brought me and my friends. I’m going to end with the original line 🌚 MOONGOD approves and may the MOONGOD 🌚 bless you!

  • @easla
    @easla 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Last time I was this early was during the Provo’s Most Eligible live streams. I love y’all so much

  • @Tinkify16
    @Tinkify16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    How exactly are they saying that the father/son will not bare the iniquity of the same, but most religions speak and preach on generational curses? Which is it 🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @Keroanne
    @Keroanne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    We started out so well... and then we’re 45 minutes in and the amount of amount of hypocrisy is reaching maximum oof levels.........

  • @chantalmercier7602
    @chantalmercier7602 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This made me want sweet potato fries so dang BAD

  • @abigailcovington6242
    @abigailcovington6242 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I definitely spent a significant amount of this video thinking that Sam saying "Rebecca" was akin to "Karen" *facepalm* in my defense she was saying "Rebecca" in a very "Karen" appropriate tone. :)

  • @lizgunnell
    @lizgunnell 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    you can get as shrill as you want if you're defending social justice--Sam is the exact opposite of a Karen

  • @CarlJokl-JoklTechnologies
    @CarlJokl-JoklTechnologies 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Given that my father worked for the Church Educational System I saw the corporate nature of the Church. Not to mention being a clerk. It did sow some doubts. Especially how the so called humble servants of God enjoyed all manner of privileges and seemed to feign humility when it suits them.
    My father saw all the failure in the organisation yet his gymnastics separate the flawed church from the "perfect" gospel.

  • @BethDiane
    @BethDiane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    True story: the word "iniquity" derives from "inequity," or "inequality."

  • @alexandria3580
    @alexandria3580 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys are so underrated!! ♥️♥️

  • @brittneykirk4030
    @brittneykirk4030 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love you guys! Thanks for your Channel. Food for thought: Assuming a white person is racist just because they’re white, is also racist. Getting to know people as individuals instead of judging them based on any race, religion, gender, sexuality, political party, etc, would help us all have a better world.

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think what people mean when they make statements like “all white people are racist” is that we’ve all grown up in racist systems and have therefore internalized a LOT of subtly racist ideas, even if we don’t realize it. It takes a lot of work to untangle all of that and for most of us it’s an ongoing process. But I think you’re right that “all white people are racist” is probably not a productive way to convey the message!

  • @heatherjohnson5342
    @heatherjohnson5342 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the idea of not having absolute truths is for some reason kinda scary for me, but the way you frame things really opens my mind and helps me become more comfortable with the idea

  • @HopiBalzmi
    @HopiBalzmi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You two rock

  • @savannawoods4376
    @savannawoods4376 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    i commented this on your twitter but i just have to make sure you see it because i NEED you to see it. apparently mormon prophets need chaperones for when they’re dating someone (?) and my mom, anne woods, was that when she was at BYU for dallin h oaks and his now wife. my mom is close to him and his wife and we see them when we go to utah. i’m now an atheist and bisexual and i despise his guts, what do y’all think i should say to him the next time i see him???

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      WHAT?! Like if their wives die???

    • @savannawoods4376
      @savannawoods4376 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Zelph On the Shelf just asked my mom abt it to clarify, after they got engaged they would go to eachother’s houses and my mom had known his wife kristen for a long time and kristen asked her to be at their house when they were alone together so rumors wouldn’t go around haha. it’s not a requirement. there is one story i’ve been hearing for like my whole life that i HAVE to mention. when he was proposing to her she said she felt unworthy to marry him or some shit like that and he said, “have u ever broken up a family?” and she said no and he said “then you are worthy”. i’m sure he didn’t say worthy but it was along those lines. OH MY GOD the hypocrisy kills me, dallin has broken so many families with lgbt members and prevented lgbt marriages and oversaw a decade of harassment of lgbt members at byu... i think he meant heterosexual god ordained marriages😌💅✨”the family unit is the most important thing on this earth and to break one is a sin against god”

    • @savannawoods4376
      @savannawoods4376 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      and his article that is still on the mormon website under same sex attraction that says that homosexuality is something of this life and will go away when we get to the next life makes suicide sound so appealing to young TBM lgbt members and has for sure without a doubt caused suicides i can guarantee it. in other interviews he has said that some forms of conversion therapy are encouraged... i could go on and on i hate that man

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      !!!!!!

  • @Sophia-vk5bq
    @Sophia-vk5bq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like that Groucho Marx finger waggle you're doing in the thumbnail. lol

  • @exmodeadpool
    @exmodeadpool 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yes! Let's focus on positive characteristics of people and ignore negative!
    I'll start.
    Hitler was a vegetarian, didn't smoke and was animal rights activist! It's not his fault that he didn't view minorities even as animals!..

    • @latcha1424
      @latcha1424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Karl Marx did wonderful things for the world of sociology with conflict theory! He made the idea that people up top oppress the people on the bottom and that class has nothing to do with ability in many cases! It's not his fault he was extraordinarily racist to the point that none of his theories can actually be applied in his originally meant context because poor white people were above all other races in his limited worldview!

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@latcha1424 Have you even read the Communist Manifesto?

    • @latcha1424
      @latcha1424 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thedunkirk7 Sure I have, why

    • @arowace498
      @arowace498 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@latcha1424 because if you had you'd see that a lot of the things marx predicted have come to pass and are applicable to the working class across the world. leftist don't ignore his racism but it doesn't negate the things we was right about.

  • @anaruiz6036
    @anaruiz6036 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "The rest of us have Trader joes" lmao fucking tanner is the best 😂😂😂❤❤❤

  • @rexmobley2760
    @rexmobley2760 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank You Sam and Tanner

  • @philliparoy1452
    @philliparoy1452 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    loving sams hair in this video 😍

  • @u2sweetestallie
    @u2sweetestallie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You didn’t say it was Endless sweet potato fries! Olive Garden, take note.

  • @mariannepolkowski-burns2627
    @mariannepolkowski-burns2627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I object!! “White Fragility” is an excellent book. I read this book with another great book “I’m Still Here, Black Dignity in a World Made For Whiteness” by Austin Channing Brown in a racial justice class/discussion (during Covid) part 1. Part 2 I read “Color of Compromise” by Jemar Tisby and “Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome” by Dr Joy Degruy. No one book is enough to understand white Supremacy and structural racism. It takes a sequence of books to paint the bigger picture.

  • @sophiaborghese189
    @sophiaborghese189 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kinda sad they're telling Mormons to not get involved with social justice movements. There's a FAMOUS TH-cam family that has a multi-million dollar business out of it. Their channels consist of Brooklyn & Bailey, Cute Girls Hairstyles, and Kamri Noel, and they have a total of eight people in their family, two of which are Black. Since their family is Mormon, they should be allowed to fight for the equality and fair treatment of their youngest members. I'm sure this Kardashian-like family of the digital age is not the only LDS family like this.

  • @vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112
    @vladtheimpalerofyourmom-ag5112 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sams shirt gets an 11/10

  • @danielsykes7558
    @danielsykes7558 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rebecca sounds like she's buckling down right before her shelf breaks.

  • @birdlyword2
    @birdlyword2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been searching for the reference to "unto the 7th generation", and I can't find it anywhere. I happened on this episode today and Tanner mentions it a few minutes in. So I'm not the only one remembering this, but where the heck is it??? Anyone know?

  • @Michael-vw7pk
    @Michael-vw7pk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sam is FURIOUS in this video and I'm so here for it

  • @mothermovementa
    @mothermovementa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can we just remember that the church considered black people as 2nd class human beings until the late 70's.

  • @transientdaydreams
    @transientdaydreams 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gotta say... that opening paragraph? My old church would call it ~evil liberal propaganda~ (spooky). And the fact that I can object to so little about it? Color me impressed. ...Naturally, they lose me immediately afterward, but still.

  • @raynemichelle2996
    @raynemichelle2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I laugh when people use SJW as an insult. Ah yes, I care about other human beings. You got me there.

  • @tyche3222
    @tyche3222 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Huh? What happened to the previous video? I tried to click on it and it said it was privated and then I refreshed and this was here

  • @TheKrispyfort
    @TheKrispyfort 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Bleeding heart conservatives and hard hearted liberals", an actual psychological research paper I came across for a psych research report on moral choice. See if you can find, read, and have a giggle

  • @achickenfriedthisrice
    @achickenfriedthisrice 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Off topic... but SAM i love your shirt :')

  • @ZippyMcBeans
    @ZippyMcBeans 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I shouldn't have watched this before writing a paper I can feel my brain cells oozing into my stomach
    banksy if you're listening please save me you're my only hope

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🐈🐈🐈

    • @ZippyMcBeans
      @ZippyMcBeans 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ZelphOntheShelf thanks this lowkey kinda helped lmao

  • @mallorybrown3098
    @mallorybrown3098 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Also your hair looks fantastic in this video Tanner.

  • @matthewrichards8218
    @matthewrichards8218 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell ya! You tell em!

  • @cindys9491
    @cindys9491 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The article keeps setting up a strawman of "critical SJ theorists" (without defining them) and then saying, "**by CONTRAST, the LDS Church...** ... The author never seems to suggest that the two supposed ideologies could have common ground in some areas or that the church and SJ movements could have anything to learn from each other. It's just Us vs Them all over again.

  • @cindys9491
    @cindys9491 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm. The writer says that social justice "developed in academia"? I'm sure all the people who worked in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s would be interested to hear that.

  • @_KungFuBarbie_
    @_KungFuBarbie_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:44
    2-for-1 ASMR special

  • @merbst
    @merbst 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Factual point of correction:
    The Uyghur Chinese majority of the isolated cities of northwestern China are not victims of systemic oppression or persecution, & as a demographic have highly favorable opinions about the actions & attitudes of their local city & provincial governments, as well as the top level of China's National leadership!
    In fact the very Western concepts of religious persecution & tyrannical oppression in government have no equivalents in China's cultural memory, & far different meanings to a modern Chinese people due to their history & cultural memory, compared to the meanings have in the Western person's mind. These lexical pairings & terms are "loaded terms" used as a symbolic cultural signifier of the very first large-scale injustice, that simply has no meaning to a Chinese Uyghur.

  • @cassidyrice4703
    @cassidyrice4703 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite thing is watching you’re video, and having many christian ads lol. God must be trying to tell me something

  • @jacobopstad5483
    @jacobopstad5483 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't deny that supremacy is a form of organization/order: the elite at the top and the oppressed at the bottom.

  • @beckymcdonald9529
    @beckymcdonald9529 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like your hair

  • @Monica4018
    @Monica4018 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    im an intp too

  • @sweetesthoneys
    @sweetesthoneys 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sam got excommunicated at 19:04

  • @tomweisser6203
    @tomweisser6203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another hour of logic, reason and balance.... how I love spending time with the pair of you. Myopathy is so prevalent in the Church.... my way or the highway and you all are so misguided and lost... we are perfect and you're confused.... God, if you exist, please shut you supposed followers up... Please girl, please. And now I'm on my way to Trader Joe's to buy some sweet potato fries, wine and other deliciousness.

  • @Josh-ii8ix
    @Josh-ii8ix 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    So crazy that she argues critical theory isn't logical! A couple of thoughts--critical theory relies on deconstructing phenn omena, which can be done rigorously. (although, deconstruction is very dangerous to fragile Mormon worldviews/doctrines, etc.). Another thought--post-modernism is also a sociological analog to quantum realities (that phenomena can be and are multiple things simultaneously)

  • @D.ONeill
    @D.ONeill 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't "striving to be less white" just result in cultural appropriation and/or making a caricature? This seems like it would only serve to reinforce issues at hand.

  • @emilygough8067
    @emilygough8067 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video aged well

  • @designcore9184
    @designcore9184 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    yo , when are you going to do a parody of every single mormon myth or church taught fact where either JS or another person interacted with a divine spirit or visitor. like i mean every one thats been whispered on....... i want to see the mo on 12 yr old JS....

    • @designcore9184
      @designcore9184 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just want to see a media map of every divine spirit or visitor in the complete history of mormonisn.. Because after seeing that and then looking at the real life of the church and or members. they cant but help to know how shit they really are.......... Imagine claiming more interaction than 5000 years of history in only a few short years............

    • @designcore9184
      @designcore9184 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      imagine all the interaction to restore the car, and you check out the car after years of use and your only thought is how poorly built it was.

  • @mothermovementa
    @mothermovementa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    💚

  • @ameliaweixler6976
    @ameliaweixler6976 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait.... They quoted an evolutionary biologist in this article? Am I the only one who thinks this is ironic?? 😂😂😂

  • @giridharkezia
    @giridharkezia 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you guys listen to chapo?

  • @maisyrae4967
    @maisyrae4967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ben Shapiro is a scholar, he's on the same level as Socrates

  • @AarontheGreatXCII-kn4gj
    @AarontheGreatXCII-kn4gj 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    *Catholicism is the Apostolic Church Jesus Christ founded upon Peter and it never errored because it was given the authority of a Davidic Prime Minister* 🇻🇦

  • @AbnormalWrench
    @AbnormalWrench 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Being less white is very easy. Just apply some very dark makeup to your skin.

    • @ninaasf-ck
      @ninaasf-ck 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂☠️

  • @BlueMeanie-j26
    @BlueMeanie-j26 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you are interested in hearing academics who actually do critique social,justice ideology you could check out John McWhorter and Glenn Loury. There is also Jonathan Haight and many others. You may also compare their views to those of academics like Naima Lowe another academic. Just some suggestions.

  • @thedunkirk7
    @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vacuum Sales/Sails>?

  • @stelladavis7832
    @stelladavis7832 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love you guys but honestly this is all falling on converted ears, aka preaching to the converted. You need to have a talk with saints unscripted or something along those lines so that your message can hit ears that it normally does not hit, plant a seed and grow. These are great messages but so many TBMs are not hearing it or even people on the fence. I use to be Mormon and it was hearing the other side's point of view that reason and logic was able to grow in the mind. I think the reason religions grow so much is due to them preaching to the "other"

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don’t think you’re wrong but we do get lots of messages from people saying our videos changed their minds about stuff! As for Saints Unscripted, I’m not sure if Kwaku is still on there but we aren’t interested in having a conversation with someone like that. And I don’t think the actual Saints Unscripted channel would be allowed to talk with us as they’re funded by the church!

    • @stelladavis7832
      @stelladavis7832 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZelphOntheShelf Good points, but I bet David might be open to talking, from Saints unscripted. Another guy you should team up with who name drops you is Thinker of thoughts. He's great. Cheers

  • @mstewy2199
    @mstewy2199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ur hair is so cute tho

  • @nadinegomez8858
    @nadinegomez8858 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ummm 9:27 is a *false statement* . NOWHERE does the Bible preach that dark skin is a curse 😐 Don’t mix the Book of Mormon & the Bible.. or at least fact check before claiming things 🙄

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you’re right. sorry about that. the bible only teaches genocide and slavery, not blackness as a curse.

    • @nadinegomez8858
      @nadinegomez8858 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZelphOntheShelf ok change the subject, onto an entirely different attack nothing to do with what I said 👍🏽 seems like the typical way the LDS respond which you don’t like & make fun of, yet you’re doing the *exact same thing*

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      not an attack. just a statement that is related to the first point because it deals with inter-ethnic relationships 👍

  • @jisezer
    @jisezer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll be honest, hearing a couple of white people try to talk about social justice in the States is just a little bit difficult. Y'all placed veganism over black lives matter in your initial introduction.

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What did we say that placed veganism over BLM?

  • @n0etic_f0x
    @n0etic_f0x 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In fact the past years (2018-2020) has become a bit of a new refocus of Social Justice. It already far less adoring of Islam and Censorship then just 2-3 years ago and has stopped with some of the science denials. One major one I recall was that Biological sex was a fictional social construct.

  • @elisabettafesta5129
    @elisabettafesta5129 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Everyone Is free to believe what they think Is the Truth, im not a member of the church, i dont follow any other church, but u have no right to offend the image of jesus. Jesus was the biggest revolutionist of all times he Is still in peoples minds today ...u havent invented anything new that Jesus had already said 2000 years ago. Ok you are not mormon, yr not Christian, whatever, but Jesus was the greatest figure of all times....

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a country with free speech you have a right to offend any image you want. Nothing against Jesus, just saying.

  • @a.j.187
    @a.j.187 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's just an established fact...except it isn't.

    • @ZelphOntheShelf
      @ZelphOntheShelf  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
      “right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, outpacing terrorist acts by all other sources such as far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda.”

  • @komjanuszvincent2023
    @komjanuszvincent2023 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like your point about how what is written about the Lamanites reflects biases against Native Americans in the 19th century. I haven't thought of that. While I believe that the Book of Mormon is from God, I also believe that the hand of people has woven in bad mistakes. I am also of the belief that the darkness put upon the Lamanites was not physical but metaphorical in the sense of light and shadows. I think the term darkness is a metaphor for living outside of or away from the truth and light- a choice. I am very against the still-dominant interpretation of the mark of the curse being dark skin. I believe it was noticable by, perhaps, a lack of "light" in their eyes because of the traditions passed to the next generation by teaching. However, I believe that there are also passages that show blatant fear of others, like the phrase that the Lamanites were a "wild and ferocious" people. Those verses trouble me.

    • @thedunkirk7
      @thedunkirk7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You may have a case of the cog diss 19 virus

  • @Malignus68
    @Malignus68 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Eat first, THEN vlog. Rude!