What do you think of Proton Pass!? Leave your thoughts below, I'd love to hear! ⬇ *❤We cannot do this content without our amazing supports on Patreon, join them in helping us spread privacy to the masses:* patreon.com/techlore --- One correction, quoting Proton: "Please note that, while the video says we don't support folders, that is not entirely true as we do have Vaults which basically perform the same function" (www.reddit.com/r/ProtonPass/comments/14m5wmb/comment/jq0bim0/)
I don’t mind half baked stuff so long as they release upgrades consistently or provide a road map. This way I can learn the new features with everyone else. But as of now I like keeping my stuff separate I just wished they gave us the family plans on separate plans like the email rather than only the ultimate. Cuz I use Synology drive, IVPN and 1 pass and I like how they work and haven’t been convinced by anything else yet.
I agree that Pass is still trying to find its edge on the market, and they have to do it fast or lose relevance. Interestingly, Pass was announced around the same time that passkey was being rolled out by multiple platforms (i.e. Google, 1Password). I think Proton got caught off-guard by the market shift, but this is a great opportunity for them to enter the passkey space and carve out an edge ASAP.
This is a really interesting product. I am glad Proton is slowly starting to integrate their suite to the product line. I will be interested to see how this--and the Proton suite in general--will evolve within the next 1-2 years. Also, I love the transparency you have with the community on here. Thank you for that! Keep up the great work!
@@techlore tbh and to my surprise, it worked well on the Microsoft Authenticator app (also has a password mgr, 2FA, etc. options), so apparently, it's possible 🤔 (Not like I'm recommending it... long story why I used it (had to and not anymore))
The email alias integration reminds me to the iCloud+ Hide my Email feature, that integrates in the same way that the Proton Pass does, but the difference is that iCloud integration only works on Apple Devices.
Proton Pass is great. Its simple, clean, works. I'm enjoying watching their product suite and brand grow - it's perfect for capturing de-googlers, like my boomer self, and theres plenty of us
I am a paid subscriber of Proton and even if Pass was better than competition I would not use it. Why: If for any reason I lost access to my Proton account I would lose my passwords, my main email account, my main calendar app and my backup cloud storage. I don't want to put all my eggs in the same basket. It's not worth it just to save a couple of bucks a month. But that's just my opinion
Pretty much only complaint so far is no credit card entries. Otherwise I feel it's similar to bitwarden. The reason I'm using it is that I already have a full Proton subscription. I also like the email alias feature
1 EUR even if only for the aliases, with an email not using Amazon SES, is currently a compelling offering. I plan on using this in tandem and in near duplication of my bitwarden vault.
Henry, as usual great video. I have 1Password but I also have Proton Unlimited but I am not sure about Proton Pass. 1Password is so far ahead of the game and something I use a lot is the option to add a file (like a document) to a vault and there is no option for that in Proton Pass ...... Also, with Proton, it take years to get anything done. I am even thinking of leaving them all together but i like the fact that they are open source and have end to end encryption. If i get a paid email service, VPN, Cloud storage separately, its about the same price as Proton Unlimited
I'm tempted for the very simple reason that the mobile app is written in Kotlin instead of Xamarin. The extra seconds it takes for Bitwarden mobile to load actually bugs me.
The reason I jumped into the Proton end of the pool is because, being a Boomer, Proton did a good job of 'holding my hand' through the whole process of reasonably securing my data. With all the explainers Proton posted on their sites, it only took around a month to get up to speed, on my own.
You keep saying Proton Pass is a browser extension but it’s an app too! I’d love to use Pass but like the Proton Calendar app, I can’t get both to work as my data won’t transfer over!
A Proton app is barebones and lack basic features? *_WHAAT?!_* _No..._ ...ok, I'm done being a dick. But, you know... it's kinda true. :| I'm getting kind of annoyed with the Proton ecosystem. Because the more they add to it, the more what still hasn't been added sticks out. It's great that Proton is expanding and so on, but everything but Mail feels incomplete. And therefore, the ecosystem feels half-baked. _Because it is._ People keep asking about it, I know, but again: Where are the Proton Drive desktop apps, Proton?! Come on! ;-;
I kind of wish Proton would work on making their existing offerings better instead of making new things. There really needs to be drive integration to calendar and mail.
love the video but has to say he criticised proton pass and said he uses something else in sponsored video and proton even aproved it. The reason why I trust proton ❤
I don't think he needed approve from proton to post this video since he didn't receive any money for this but just an affiliate link. Though I have to say that I was happy to see an honest opinion despite the affilate link, very genuine
A good deal is going: proton pass offers 80%-off, on the 1 or 2 year plans. That includes unlimited email alias cration for 12 and 24 months (monthly 1 USD/EUR/CHF)... that is now the cheapest way for unlimited aliases compared to simplelogin (30/year [20 at blackfriday]), or anonaddy (pro, 3 per month).
Proton Suite is great. Seriously, Proton should make a desktop, Mac, iOS, Android, and Debian version of their app because web apps and extentions are a huge setback for productivity.
Im a keepass person, and also a proton unlimited user, but im glad this exists, i know this is going to be good in the future. Also, i think they released it half baked because of the hack and they wanted to get that migrating audience immediately
One draw back of proton suite is "putting all your eggs in one basket", a single point of failure. I wonder how reslient they are incase of breach? Are all their services E2EE?
I think I will stick with S.E.S.. When I watched the Proton video on it I was okay until I felt the way you spoke of. I like the SES on my phone which I back up every week just in case I forgot that I entered new PW info. Excellent video. As we say in Texas; y'all be safe. ( y'all can mean one person or many )
I just pay for Proton Mail, and over the weekend I found out that I am not eligible for Proton Pass Plus because Proton doesn't allow bundling subscriptions. That means I have to upgrade to Proton Unlimited just to have access to Proton Pass Plus. Not gonna happen. The Proton suite is sub par.
What happens if Proton mail gets hacked? Would it open the door for all of the Proton Services to to be hacked at the same time. I do use regular proton mail but scared if there was a breach then someone would have access to my passwords, vault and email. My current setup is protonmail, bitwarden and a seperate VPN service.
Thanks for a highly informative review :-) My question on Proton Pass is a generic one with all password managers: What if a compromise/weakness is found in a password manager? Wouldn't *all* my passwords be exposed? Wouldn't the use of a password manager thus amount to throwing all my eggs in one basket? It is really encouraging that it is open source and must obey Swiss privacy and all, but in the long run, all software will eventually get exposed. Any comments please?
I still am using Bitwarden even though I’ve been a proton sub for 3 years cause the auto fill on iOS as well as desktop doesn’t work right still, fix that, and they have me.
Isn't it bad to put all of your eggs in one basket? I am sure proton drive or proton pass are excellent services. But if I am using their email service then I would rather not use any of their other services.
Valid stance to take. I think Proton is specifically trying to create a suite, which people like yourself will not enjoy. Others may see a lot of value in this approach though (depending on their personal preferences)
People complain a lot about the "all eggs in one basket" but let's not forget we are minority here, most people would rather have a whole ecosystem than 20 different services and subscriptions, and for the record, I would rather have them in privacy and secure ecosystem than Google's, Microsoft's and other.
@@jeremybyte i give you that, but you have to remember one thing here. Privacy aside, google and microsoft ecosystems simply WORK. protons suite and drives and whatnot do not. and the ''most people'' you are talking about here dont even know proton exists. because those MOST people want something convenient that works therefore google/apple/microsoft. most people dont care about privacy so most people you refer to dont bother to set new stuff up to begin with. thats how most people are. and the others use proton mail but dont need a half baked suite. so now tell me: what would be the more logical step here: 1. fix and make the existing stuff better for the allready customers to enjoy and therefor also bring in new people in their family because they tell them about it. or 2. Try do build something half baked for a target audience that does not care about privacy anyways. im sorry, i dont like google or microsoft but you simply cannot compete with them on their own ground with suites and alike.
@@jeremybyte I only use Proton because it's one account I have to manage for Drive, VPN and a password manager it's very convenient for me I personally trust Proton more then both Google and Microsoft I also think proton is quit convenient for my needs I can have all my accounts passwords and 2fa codes backed up in the cloud in one place and won't have to worry about losing them etc
Nice review but I just need to correct one thing: you said that Bitwarden is not offering the integration with SimpleLogin, AnonAddy etc, but they do. You just have to put your API Key once and then when you create a new entry you click on generate next to the username field
I said bitwarden *does* offer the integration. And I show their blog article covering how to do it :) “it’s not something bitwarden doesn’t offer” I believe is how it’s phrased - which means they do offer it
I started with Proton years ago when mail was in beta. I'm still a paying customer but find how long it takes them to release, and update, products ridiculous.
Big Proton user. With that said I am just as annoyed with Proton not integrating Simple Login with Proton mail. It makes using Simple Login not so simple and can be annoying. Its equivalent to being out in the ocean and not being able to drink the water. Privacy and security brings us to Proton. It is the utility that can keep us or lose us. I may try the password manager only for the Simple Login feature. With 1password still being my goto.
I just to proton switched from lastpass. Lastpass is my only comparison, but I've used it since 2008 or so. I chose proton becase I already use some of their other products like mail. I think it's already improved since this video, with more improvements on the way. They just added credit cards. The functionality I like compared to lastpass is integrated 2FA and email aliases, which allows you to not give your real email address out if you want.
Same here, I found new proton pass useful with unique features. Most people I think already used to 1pass or bitwarden, which is feature rich compared to proton pass. But Proton may be able to deliver a compiling product other than Proton mail in this case.
Quite frankly I don't give a damn about Proton Pass. I'm tired of waiting for Proton to rollout crucial missing features to their core Mail product. I get that developing privacy-centric solutions is complicated but if you have the resources to rollout VPN, Calendar, Drive, purchase & integrate SimpleLogin, and now Pass there is literally no excuse for allowing Proton Mail to wallow in mediocrity for this long. I've been a paying subscriber to Proton Mail since its earliest days but I'm growing tired of waiting for them to do the bare minimum. Calendar, Drive and Pass all represent the bare minimum of what you expect in those product categories. Proton can only trade on the "privacy-centric" thing for so long before people tire of constantly waiting for basic features. Proton Bridge saves Proton Mail from many of its inadequacies. Calendar, Drive and Pass have no such a crutch. Rolling out Proton Drive, without sync clients, on every platform, borders on incompetence. I'm beyond frustrated with Proton.
All incredibly valid, echoes a lot of the complaints I voiced in my previous Proton review. While I still have a lot of appreciation for what they’re doing, it’s extremely frustrating to be a paid subscriber and see so little progress being made on just ironing out the basics
I've been a ProtonMail subscriber for 2 years now, and it is my primary email system. I have the "Unlimited" package. So what "crucial missing features" are you looking for?
@@Musings-From-Mike Being able to add a Protonmail account to any email client on any platform without needing to use Proton Bridge. Being able to sync a Proton Calendar to any other calendar service.
Are those basic integrations to email clients and calendars difficult to do due to Proton security architecture? What other secure email platforms provide such integrations? Tutamail?
I'm baffled by the transition from the old saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" to the current approach of trusting everything to Proton. While they emphasize privacy, I believe it would be wiser for them to distribute costs among individual services and provide a bundled option. My skepticism about Proton grew when they acquired SimpleLogin. Personally, I disagree with their current direction, and I prefer not to use any of their services.
@@XDMIIIIIIIII I did it months ago and they are not bothering me, I honestly have nothing bad to say about Keeper company. (Except that it's a bit pricey)
Compared to other password managers, Proton Pass stands out when viewed as part of the Proton Family. It's really about Privacy and Pass (and Email Aliases) is a bonus. "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts". BTW: If you're not using Email Aliases... you should give it a try, highly recommended !!! Privacy.: Not being a Giggle Product.
The ProtonVPN Linux app is absolutely terrible so it's disheartening to see them developing these new services while the Linux app is in its current state. Also, I can't find the source code for any of the browser extensions in their repo, only their IOS and Android app. Any idea when this will be open sourced?
Excellent commentary. Full disclosure: I don't use a password manager...I cut'n'paste from a text document, when necessary. I have looked at various password managers and I find them all too complex to set up and use. However...I'm also a Proton user, so I'm going to look at this product and see how easy it is to set up, and how easy it is to use. Also -- I'd like to see some comment on how secure the password management is on various browsers, particularly privacy champ Brave, which is my go-to for browsing. Good? Bad? Some mix of good and bad? Just forget it?
I don't use a password manager...I cut'n'paste from a text document, when necessary. -> Wow, seriously? How secure is this? I am not even talking about the comfort here...
Yeah, hopefully you’ve encrypted that document in some way! If not, definitely give Proton pass a try! You could probably have a big gain in security and convenience at the same time which is rare. Best wishes! 🎉
Too many missing features. No family accounts, no sharing, no desktop app, no web app, no passkeys, no 2fa scanner, no copying items, no custom fields, no item history. They shouldn't have released it at this stage. I doubt they will enable all these features any time soon, if ever. 1password has all these features and with the family account, it's about the same price as Proton Pass per person. The price for Proton Pass is low but only until end of July. Why would anyone buy it at the regular price? 1password is closed-source but it wouldn't be used by major corporations if it wasn't properly audited.
Not sure why you rarely, if ever, mention NordPass. Putting that aside, I use Protonmail and their VPN. Not sure I want to use another of their products since it means if you lose one you'll lose them all. Not sure I see the lack of a desktop app as a down side. It simply cuts down on bloat. It does probably mean that it's cloud only though, which would've been a valid aspect to mention.
I had high hopes for this as I enjoy their platform however this service just fell short. Between this and the Proton Drive being all but unusable do to extremely slow upload and download speeds. I’m losing faith
Why would they do this? Bitwarden is already better in every way possible. Proton Pass has nothing to offer other than enticing people to put all their eggs in one basket. And the fact that my money is going toward a service nobody needs or asked for is making me wanna leave their ecosystem. Seriously Proton, you’ve been working on this instead of the Drive desktop client?
i m still quite new with proton mail and in the transition phase of moving everything over from like 15+ years but i m allready upset about that. i m in here for a mail provider. i can see mail provider and could storage work together, thats a handy thing also for work. but it doesnt even work. proton drive is pretty much unusable, proton calander is whatever. everything besides mail is an early access unfinished beta test.. and instead of fixing that stuff first they allready introduce something else NOONE asked for? its upright stupid and i did not leave google just to jump into a new ecosystem or suite. i dont want or need that and its pointless. 99% of companies use microsoft office as a suite anyways so you have to somewhat adapt to that. i cant go to my boss and say: oh yeah but can i use this open scource suite noone knows about instead? NO i cant... i have to use that stuff because thats what all companies are set up for. i just want a secure and nice email provider and something to store some stuff online thats not google or microsoft. thats it... i dont want a new ecosystem.
@@MaybeTiberius Well, if you wanna avoid Proton Mail you still have a lot of other secure options for personal use. This is really dumb and concerning. Look at what Thunderbird is doing in contrast, they recently asked the community for ideas on how they could integrate their email client with LibreOffice to make their client more useful. Rather than reinventing what’s already good and well established they communicated with the community and started to work with other open source projects. Proton is giving me more and more corporate vibes each day. We oughta be weary.
Proton pass is useless, i had it on my premium account, set it all up and once i downgraded to the free account Proton pass locked me out of my 2fa accounts?? Now i cant even log into my Proton account to upgrade. Stick with Bitwarden or 1Password
Why do all these virtual 'manager' thingy giving people the option of storing every data that they owned in 1 spot? Easiness.Yeah sure.But a single point of failure? Thanks but no thanks Proton.
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One correction, quoting Proton: "Please note that, while the video says we don't support folders, that is not entirely true as we do have Vaults which basically perform the same function" (www.reddit.com/r/ProtonPass/comments/14m5wmb/comment/jq0bim0/)
Even after short 2 months, there are a lot of progress made, need a follow up video
I don't think anything can beat Bitwarden. For 10 dollars a year you get more than you need
True
1 click deleted all passwords 😂
I don’t mind half baked stuff so long as they release upgrades consistently or provide a road map. This way I can learn the new features with everyone else. But as of now I like keeping my stuff separate I just wished they gave us the family plans on separate plans like the email rather than only the ultimate. Cuz I use Synology drive, IVPN and 1 pass and I like how they work and haven’t been convinced by anything else yet.
I agree that Pass is still trying to find its edge on the market, and they have to do it fast or lose relevance.
Interestingly, Pass was announced around the same time that passkey was being rolled out by multiple platforms (i.e. Google, 1Password). I think Proton got caught off-guard by the market shift, but this is a great opportunity for them to enter the passkey space and carve out an edge ASAP.
If they are not already working on it right now, it might be too late... Bitwarden is due to launch their passkey features next month
This is a really interesting product. I am glad Proton is slowly starting to integrate their suite to the product line. I will be interested to see how this--and the Proton suite in general--will evolve within the next 1-2 years.
Also, I love the transparency you have with the community on here. Thank you for that!
Keep up the great work!
I use and like Bitwarden, but its auto fill isn't smooth on android. So, if proton is better in this regard I can take a look at it.
Doubtful tbh, autofill on android is almost always a mixed bag. It’ll even vary between versions of Android and different manufacturers 🫠
I used to have problems in Android till I switched keyboard to AnySoft keyboard. Now it works.
@@techlore tbh and to my surprise, it worked well on the Microsoft Authenticator app (also has a password mgr, 2FA, etc. options), so apparently, it's possible 🤔
(Not like I'm recommending it... long story why I used it (had to and not anymore))
Is there gonna be a new updated review of ProtonPass?
The email alias integration reminds me to the iCloud+ Hide my Email feature, that integrates in the same way that the Proton Pass does, but the difference is that iCloud integration only works on Apple Devices.
Proton Pass is great. Its simple, clean, works. I'm enjoying watching their product suite and brand grow - it's perfect for capturing de-googlers, like my boomer self, and theres plenty of us
i like proton pass because i can keep all my 2fa codes in the cloud and i dont have to worry about lossing it
I am a paid subscriber of Proton and even if Pass was better than competition I would not use it.
Why: If for any reason I lost access to my Proton account I would lose my passwords, my main email account, my main calendar app and my backup cloud storage.
I don't want to put all my eggs in the same basket. It's not worth it just to save a couple of bucks a month. But that's just my opinion
Saving only a $2 a year when comparing it to Bitwarden and if you use Protons current offer instead of being an unlimited subscriber.
Not worth it
That is a good point, the same reason my web domain registrar is not the same as my web host (and often, the DNS provider is separate, too.)
Pretty much only complaint so far is no credit card entries. Otherwise I feel it's similar to bitwarden. The reason I'm using it is that I already have a full Proton subscription. I also like the email alias feature
1 EUR even if only for the aliases, with an email not using Amazon SES, is currently a compelling offering.
I plan on using this in tandem and in near duplication of my bitwarden vault.
$1 USD a month, lock in for lifetime, what’s to think
Henry, as usual great video. I have 1Password but I also have Proton Unlimited but I am not sure about Proton Pass. 1Password is so far ahead of the game and something I use a lot is the option to add a file (like a document) to a vault and there is no option for that in Proton Pass ...... Also, with Proton, it take years to get anything done. I am even thinking of leaving them all together but i like the fact that they are open source and have end to end encryption. If i get a paid email service, VPN, Cloud storage separately, its about the same price as Proton Unlimited
This video really helped to know that we have new password manager in the house which is good and FREE!! Thanks for making and posting this video.
I'm tempted for the very simple reason that the mobile app is written in Kotlin instead of Xamarin.
The extra seconds it takes for Bitwarden mobile to load actually bugs me.
The reason I jumped into the Proton end of the pool is because, being a Boomer, Proton did a good job of 'holding my hand' through the whole process of reasonably securing my data. With all the explainers Proton posted on their sites, it only took around a month to get up to speed, on my own.
I’m sticking with KeePass. It meets my needs just fine.
Thanks!
No thank you!
You keep saying Proton Pass is a browser extension but it’s an app too!
I’d love to use Pass but like the Proton Calendar app, I can’t get both to work as my data won’t transfer over!
A Proton app is barebones and lack basic features? *_WHAAT?!_* _No..._
...ok, I'm done being a dick. But, you know... it's kinda true. :|
I'm getting kind of annoyed with the Proton ecosystem. Because the more they add to it, the more what still hasn't been added sticks out. It's great that Proton is expanding and so on, but everything but Mail feels incomplete. And therefore, the ecosystem feels half-baked. _Because it is._
People keep asking about it, I know, but again: Where are the Proton Drive desktop apps, Proton?! Come on! ;-;
I kind of wish Proton would work on making their existing offerings better instead of making new things. There really needs to be drive integration to calendar and mail.
I think that Proton are taking the wrong stance on Passkeys. Proton Pass should support passkeys both as client and to login.
love the video but has to say he criticised proton pass and said he uses something else in sponsored video and proton even aproved it. The reason why I trust proton ❤
I don't think he needed approve from proton to post this video since he didn't receive any money for this but just an affiliate link. Though I have to say that I was happy to see an honest opinion despite the affilate link, very genuine
A good deal is going: proton pass offers 80%-off, on the 1 or 2 year plans. That includes unlimited email alias cration for 12 and 24 months (monthly 1 USD/EUR/CHF)... that is now the cheapest way for unlimited aliases compared to simplelogin (30/year [20 at blackfriday]), or anonaddy (pro, 3 per month).
Proton Suite is great. Seriously, Proton should make a desktop, Mac, iOS, Android, and Debian version of their app because web apps and extentions are a huge setback for productivity.
i use keepass because it is offline
same, I use KeepassXC. For me, it is the safest ;D
Im a keepass person, and also a proton unlimited user, but im glad this exists, i know this is going to be good in the future.
Also, i think they released it half baked because of the hack and they wanted to get that migrating audience immediately
Still waiting for proton drive for desktop 😢
synology drive is nice
seems like a decent password manager, KeePassXC is still superior though :)
In terms of security, how do you perceive the C2 Password Synology password manager and is it a suitable choice for personal use?
If I use proton pass and install the extension, then enter passwords, etc., will all that info sync up to the mobile app?
Yep!
@@techlore How would you compare Proton Pass to Google password manager?
One draw back of proton suite is "putting all your eggs in one basket", a single point of failure. I wonder how reslient they are incase of breach? Are all their services E2EE?
Bitwarden with Alfred.... hard to beat that combi
Is there a way to use a more secure master password than a 6-digit number to secure the browser extension?
The beat is *Passwords* Select & Paste for IOS. Mande in Objective-C old school.
I will use it when they add credit cards autofill
It's coming!
It’s here
I am hoping proton pass gets some well built apps for Android and macOS as all other password managers have really heavy and sluggish apps.
Who gives a rip if it's barebones at this time. As long as it works there is no need to extra "pretties".
I think I will stick with S.E.S.. When I watched the Proton video on it I was okay until I felt the way you spoke of.
I like the SES on my phone which I back up every week just in case I forgot that I entered new PW info.
Excellent video.
As we say in Texas; y'all be safe. ( y'all can mean one person or many )
Does Switzerland still have a good reputation for privacy? They gave all their banks customer and account data over to the US.
I just pay for Proton Mail, and over the weekend I found out that I am not eligible for Proton Pass Plus because Proton doesn't allow bundling subscriptions. That means I have to upgrade to Proton Unlimited just to have access to Proton Pass Plus. Not gonna happen. The Proton suite is sub par.
What's the page shown at 3:59?
5:56 Add mullvad on top of that
I really hope proton introduces a Notion like notes app
What's up with those headphones?
What happens if Proton mail gets hacked? Would it open the door for all of the Proton Services to to be hacked at the same time. I do use regular proton mail but scared if there was a breach then someone would have access to my passwords, vault and email. My current setup is protonmail, bitwarden and a seperate VPN service.
Thats correct. For me the reason i dont switch completely. I use proton mail, 1password and surfshark for vpn
can anyone tell me about roboform? vs bitwarden?
Import from lastpass?
Yes
Great Review, btw what's that website at 03:59
techlore.tech :)
Thanks for a highly informative review :-) My question on Proton Pass is a generic one with all password managers: What if a compromise/weakness is found in a password manager? Wouldn't *all* my passwords be exposed? Wouldn't the use of a password manager thus amount to throwing all my eggs in one basket? It is really encouraging that it is open source and must obey Swiss privacy and all, but in the long run, all software will eventually get exposed. Any comments please?
Proton is Goolge of the privacy world
I still am using Bitwarden even though I’ve been a proton sub for 3 years cause the auto fill on iOS as well as desktop doesn’t work right still, fix that, and they have me.
Isn't it bad to put all of your eggs in one basket?
I am sure proton drive or proton pass are excellent services.
But if I am using their email service then I would rather not use any of their other services.
Valid stance to take. I think Proton is specifically trying to create a suite, which people like yourself will not enjoy. Others may see a lot of value in this approach though (depending on their personal preferences)
People complain a lot about the "all eggs in one basket" but let's not forget we are minority here, most people would rather have a whole ecosystem than 20 different services and subscriptions, and for the record, I would rather have them in privacy and secure ecosystem than Google's, Microsoft's and other.
@@jeremybyte i give you that, but you have to remember one thing here. Privacy aside, google and microsoft ecosystems simply WORK. protons suite and drives and whatnot do not.
and the ''most people'' you are talking about here dont even know proton exists. because those MOST people want something convenient that works therefore google/apple/microsoft. most people dont care about privacy so most people you refer to dont bother to set new stuff up to begin with.
thats how most people are. and the others use proton mail but dont need a half baked suite.
so now tell me: what would be the more logical step here:
1. fix and make the existing stuff better for the allready customers to enjoy and therefor also bring in new people in their family because they tell them about it.
or
2. Try do build something half baked for a target audience that does not care about privacy anyways.
im sorry, i dont like google or microsoft but you simply cannot compete with them on their own ground with suites and alike.
@@jeremybyte I only use Proton because it's one account I have to manage for Drive, VPN and a password manager it's very convenient for me I personally trust Proton more then both Google and Microsoft I also think proton is quit convenient for my needs I can have all my accounts passwords and 2fa codes backed up in the cloud in one place and won't have to worry about losing them etc
I’ll wait for them to introduce more features. Until then I’m sticking with 1Password.
Nice review but I just need to correct one thing: you said that Bitwarden is not offering the integration with SimpleLogin, AnonAddy etc, but they do. You just have to put your API Key once and then when you create a new entry you click on generate next to the username field
I said bitwarden *does* offer the integration. And I show their blog article covering how to do it :) “it’s not something bitwarden doesn’t offer” I believe is how it’s phrased - which means they do offer it
@@techlore awh sorry, I misunderstood then.
Missing pc appln for proton pass
I started with Proton years ago when mail was in beta. I'm still a paying customer but find how long it takes them to release, and update, products ridiculous.
Big Proton user. With that said I am just as annoyed with Proton not integrating Simple Login with Proton mail. It makes using Simple Login not so simple and can be annoying. Its equivalent to being out in the ocean and not being able to drink the water.
Privacy and security brings us to Proton. It is the utility that can keep us or lose us.
I may try the password manager only for the Simple Login feature. With 1password still being my goto.
Protondrive is getting a client, hopefully soon
Pls do enpass review
I like that its only an extension
I very much agree 💯
IMO, just let it cook. I might turn out great in the future!
I just to proton switched from lastpass. Lastpass is my only comparison, but I've used it since 2008 or so. I chose proton becase I already use some of their other products like mail. I think it's already improved since this video, with more improvements on the way. They just added credit cards. The functionality I like compared to lastpass is integrated 2FA and email aliases, which allows you to not give your real email address out if you want.
Same here, I found new proton pass useful with unique features. Most people I think already used to 1pass or bitwarden, which is feature rich compared to proton pass. But Proton may be able to deliver a compiling product other than Proton mail in this case.
Quite frankly I don't give a damn about Proton Pass. I'm tired of waiting for Proton to rollout crucial missing features to their core Mail product. I get that developing privacy-centric solutions is complicated but if you have the resources to rollout VPN, Calendar, Drive, purchase & integrate SimpleLogin, and now Pass there is literally no excuse for allowing Proton Mail to wallow in mediocrity for this long. I've been a paying subscriber to Proton Mail since its earliest days but I'm growing tired of waiting for them to do the bare minimum. Calendar, Drive and Pass all represent the bare minimum of what you expect in those product categories. Proton can only trade on the "privacy-centric" thing for so long before people tire of constantly waiting for basic features. Proton Bridge saves Proton Mail from many of its inadequacies. Calendar, Drive and Pass have no such a crutch. Rolling out Proton Drive, without sync clients, on every platform, borders on incompetence. I'm beyond frustrated with Proton.
All incredibly valid, echoes a lot of the complaints I voiced in my previous Proton review. While I still have a lot of appreciation for what they’re doing, it’s extremely frustrating to be a paid subscriber and see so little progress being made on just ironing out the basics
I've been a ProtonMail subscriber for 2 years now, and it is my primary email system. I have the "Unlimited" package. So what "crucial missing features" are you looking for?
@@Musings-From-Mike Being able to add a Protonmail account to any email client on any platform without needing to use Proton Bridge. Being able to sync a Proton Calendar to any other calendar service.
Are those basic integrations to email clients and calendars difficult to do due to Proton security architecture? What other secure email platforms provide such integrations? Tutamail?
I'm baffled by the transition from the old saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" to the current approach of trusting everything to Proton. While they emphasize privacy, I believe it would be wiser for them to distribute costs among individual services and provide a bundled option. My skepticism about Proton grew when they acquired SimpleLogin. Personally, I disagree with their current direction, and I prefer not to use any of their services.
I've tried Keeper and is pretty polished but it's expensive
Why are you paying?
@@njpme I'm not paying, I've just tried a month for free once, but my main password manager is Bitwarden
@@VLKV92it’s closed source + you can’t delete your account at will + they’ll never stop bombarding your email with advertising
@@XDMIIIIIIIII I did it months ago and they are not bothering me, I honestly have nothing bad to say about Keeper company. (Except that it's a bit pricey)
Great video
It's OK on PC, but doesn't work for me at all on Android as its app simply doesn't autofill. Bitwarden is far better.
Android auto fill is sadly always a mixed bag :/ hopefully they figure that out
KeePass all the way
Compared to other password managers, Proton Pass stands out when viewed as part of the Proton Family.
It's really about Privacy and Pass (and Email Aliases) is a bonus.
"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts".
BTW: If you're not using Email Aliases... you should give it a try, highly recommended !!!
Privacy.: Not being a Giggle Product.
But isn't Bitwarden and Keepass better than it anyway and thanks for your review mr Henry
Did you watch the review? Covers a lot of this 👌
@@techlore yes i did in fact just finished watching it and it seems that proton will take a long time to finish working on Their desktop clients
The ProtonVPN Linux app is absolutely terrible so it's disheartening to see them developing these new services while the Linux app is in its current state. Also, I can't find the source code for any of the browser extensions in their repo, only their IOS and Android app. Any idea when this will be open sourced?
This will beat other PM , promise .
Excellent commentary. Full disclosure: I don't use a password manager...I cut'n'paste from a text document, when necessary. I have looked at various password managers and I find them all too complex to set up and use. However...I'm also a Proton user, so I'm going to look at this product and see how easy it is to set up, and how easy it is to use.
Also -- I'd like to see some comment on how secure the password management is on various browsers, particularly privacy champ Brave, which is my go-to for browsing. Good? Bad? Some mix of good and bad? Just forget it?
I don't use a password manager...I cut'n'paste from a text document, when necessary. -> Wow, seriously? How secure is this? I am not even talking about the comfort here...
Yeah, hopefully you’ve encrypted that document in some way! If not, definitely give Proton pass a try! You could probably have a big gain in security and convenience at the same time which is rare. Best wishes! 🎉
Very easy to use, you should try
I'm waiting for proton search and notes to put all my eggs into one secure basket instead google services
Too many missing features. No family accounts, no sharing, no desktop app, no web app, no passkeys, no 2fa scanner, no copying items, no custom fields, no item history. They shouldn't have released it at this stage. I doubt they will enable all these features any time soon, if ever. 1password has all these features and with the family account, it's about the same price as Proton Pass per person.
The price for Proton Pass is low but only until end of July. Why would anyone buy it at the regular price?
1password is closed-source but it wouldn't be used by major corporations if it wasn't properly audited.
I am completely OK with bitwarden, no need for proton pass .
Man don't bash them too much. They might start making simple login incompatible with bitwarden.
Bitwarden is still better 💯
Not sure why you rarely, if ever, mention NordPass. Putting that aside, I use Protonmail and their VPN. Not sure I want to use another of their products since it means if you lose one you'll lose them all. Not sure I see the lack of a desktop app as a down side. It simply cuts down on bloat. It does probably mean that it's cloud only though, which would've been a valid aspect to mention.
Because Nord isn’t trustworthy lol
Nord sucks and majority of the people would prefer a desktop client
I had high hopes for this as I enjoy their platform however this service just fell short. Between this and the Proton Drive being all but unusable do to extremely slow upload and download speeds. I’m losing faith
📍✔👏
Why would they do this? Bitwarden is already better in every way possible. Proton Pass has nothing to offer other than enticing people to put all their eggs in one basket. And the fact that my money is going toward a service nobody needs or asked for is making me wanna leave their ecosystem. Seriously Proton, you’ve been working on this instead of the Drive desktop client?
i m still quite new with proton mail and in the transition phase of moving everything over from like 15+ years but i m allready upset about that.
i m in here for a mail provider. i can see mail provider and could storage work together, thats a handy thing also for work. but it doesnt even work. proton drive is pretty much unusable, proton calander is whatever. everything besides mail is an early access unfinished beta test.. and instead of fixing that stuff first they allready introduce something else NOONE asked for? its upright stupid and i did not leave google just to jump into a new ecosystem or suite. i dont want or need that and its pointless.
99% of companies use microsoft office as a suite anyways so you have to somewhat adapt to that. i cant go to my boss and say: oh yeah but can i use this open scource suite noone knows about instead? NO i cant... i have to use that stuff because thats what all companies are set up for.
i just want a secure and nice email provider and something to store some stuff online thats not google or microsoft. thats it...
i dont want a new ecosystem.
@@MaybeTiberius Well, if you wanna avoid Proton Mail you still have a lot of other secure options for personal use. This is really dumb and concerning. Look at what Thunderbird is doing in contrast, they recently asked the community for ideas on how they could integrate their email client with LibreOffice to make their client more useful. Rather than reinventing what’s already good and well established they communicated with the community and started to work with other open source projects. Proton is giving me more and more corporate vibes each day. We oughta be weary.
Proton pass is useless, i had it on my premium account, set it all up and once i downgraded to the free account Proton pass locked me out of my 2fa accounts?? Now i cant even log into my Proton account to upgrade. Stick with Bitwarden or 1Password
I've contacted them for launching password manager
You´re damn cute! 😍
Why do all these virtual 'manager' thingy giving people the option of storing every data that they owned in 1 spot? Easiness.Yeah sure.But a single point of failure? Thanks but no thanks Proton.
Dune, what are you talking about, with a family plan, it's a no-brainer.
Not for everyone, no. Glad it is for you!
You talk too fast mate.
tbh.. yet another proton product noone asked for
Nah, online password stores should have never been made.
If youre happy handing all your accounts & passwords to israel .. go for it
Please note that Proton has no connection to Israel, we are a Swiss company.
DUMBEST post of the year right here....🤡