Okay, I decided I would not comment on this video but my inner patriot just can't help it, I need to rant, sry 😄 This King Matthias is just so wrong, on so many levels, and so pointlessly (I really can't see how it was for the sake of drama or the storyline), that I just have to write about it here. First of all, the casting is terribly wrong: the actor is 58 years old, when MATTHIAS WAS 34 at this time! I really can't see how they couldn't put an actor in his 30s there, when that is the age group which is the most popular for male actors and there are tons and tons of them available. The mere idea of a marriage between a 60-like man and this small teenager girl is just so disgusting that it shouts at you from the screen and makes Matthias look like a disgusting and hideous man. I'm not saying that it is good if a 34 years old considers marrying a teenager, but a dashing 30s man that Matthias was at this time, in his prime, would look completely differently on screen, much less disgusting, and at the same time it would still reflect the horrible situation young princesses faced when they were mere pawns in marriage treaties. Then, calling him Matthias Corvinus at this time is also wrong, because that was not his name. Corvinus was just a nickname his contemporaries gave him later (he was also given the name Matthias the Just by the people), his family name was Hunyadi. So his real name was Matthias Hunyadi. The "Corvinus" name was given to him referring to his famous Renaissance library, the Bibliotheca Corviniana, which was one of the most renowned libraries of the Renaissance world. It was even bigger than the library of Lorenzo the Magnificent. It consisted of about 3,000 codices, called "corvinae", because of the raven (corvus in Latin) on them which was Matthias's heraldic animal. This fact about his library alone already indicates that this smoke-faced barbaric warrior picture that the series gives about Matthias is completely wrong. He was a Renaissance king ahead of his time, and under his partonage, Hungary became the first country outside Italy to embrace the Renaissance. The series is true about the fact that Matthias's famous Black Army, one of the earliest professional standing armies of medieval Europe, was one of the most feared armies of Europe at this time, match for the Ottoman army. Matthias needed such a strong army not only to fight his European neighbours and conquer territories from them but also to halt the Ottoman advance into Europe - an effort in which he was left alone by other Europeans in spite of trying to achieve military unity for campaign against the Ottomans. At the end of the video, there is this very weird fascination of Matthias for impaling, saying his voivodes in Wallachia put the Ottomans on spikes. I guess it refers to the infamous Vlad Tepes (he was the big fan of impaling, other voivodes were not so much), but the truth is that those Wallachian voivodes acted very indepently from Matthias, they were only indirectly under his control. Matthias sometimes helped them against the Ottomans and interfered in their inner affairs. He also supported Vlad Tepes's anti-Ottoman policy first, but then they had a conflict and Matthias even imprisoned him. Matthias was not descendant of the former kings of Hungary, he was only from a noble family, although a very significant one. His father John Hunyadi was Regent of Hungary and the hero of the 1456 siege of Belgrade. Matthias was only 15 when he was elected King of Hungary in 1458 by the estates, at the persuasion of his powerful relatives. These relatives started to rule the country after Matthias's election, but just after 2 weeks, Matthias was like: "Okay thanks but I will rule alone", and he started his own reign as a 15-year-old, but very effectively. He waged wars against the Czech mercenaries who dominated Upper Hungary (today parts of Slovakia and Northern Hungary) and against Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor, who claimed Hungary for himself (Frederick, as a European royalty, had much more Hungarian royal blood than Matthias himself). So in the regard of the fights between the two, the series is true, but the aggression went both ways, not just from Matthias towards Frederick. About the possibility of a marriage between Matthias and Kunigunde: Matthias's first wife died in 1464, and then Matthias approached Frederick III to suggest a new bride for him among Frederick's relatives. Frederick II, Elector of Brandenburg proposed one of his daughters to Matthias but the Hungarian Estates opposed this plan. During the 1470 meeting of Emperor Frederick and Matthias (so not in 1477 as in the series), a marriage between Matthias and the Emperor's 5-year-old daughter was also discussed, but the Emperor was not willing to commit himself to the marriage - so, again, not like in the series. In the end, Matthias chose Beatrix of Aragon as his second wife and the engagement was announced in 1474 (before our series even begins). Matthias is still an incredibly popular figure in Hungary and in other territories that he ruled, a subject of legends and folk tales. He is considered one of the two greatest kings of Hungary, next to Saint Stephen I.
Oh wow, so I was actually gonna ask you about your opinion on Matthias! Damm you read my mind! Thank you for expressing it! Btw, could you recommend us a period drama based on Hungarian medieval history? I would LOVE to learn more about your incredible country ☺️
@@oberonyronwood5657 Oh, thank you, and it would be really awesome if I could recommend you anything. But the truth is, there are not many Hungarian productions about the Middle Ages, rather from later centuries (19-20th century). No tv shows, I think, only a couple of movies. There was a 1968 movie called Stars of Eger about the Hungarian fight against the Ottomans, especially the incredible victory at the 1552 Siege of Eger. There is also a more recent movie, Sacra Corona, about the Hungarian throne fights in the 11th century. That's all I can think of, unfortunately. imdb.com/title/tt0062925/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 imdb.com/title/tt0281154/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 About Matthias, there are lots and lots of animated tales on tv, but I don't think it would be available in any other language. Also, there is a Polish tv show, Korona Królow, in which Hungary plays a prominent role, because at that time, in the 14th century, the history of Hungary and Poland was linked closely. Louis the Great appears a lot in that series, although I'm not always happy with his portrayal, but it's still not as inaccurate as this Matthias.
I don't know what I do faster: clicking on the video or scrolling down the comments section to learn more from your Lili! Thanks for these extras, I really appreciate them!
Wait, that's supposed to be Matthias the Just? The man who organized the first standing army in Europe and pretty much invented the concept of the fast-moving carriage? That's just shameful.
Really? They made Matthias Corvinus - one of the most englightened monarchs of the Middle Ages - to behave like that? To do creepy inuendos and seem like some brutal barbarian?
@@martinan22 It does not work, just look at all the of the people who agree with my comment, and other similar comments. You can not just use the word "perspective" to invent stuff ex nihilo.
@@Osvath97 Haha! You dont know anything about history if you think you cant invent stuff ex nihilo. Thats more than half of history, numbnuts! And an old man making crude comments about too young bride, thats brilliant TV, it works perfectly to titilate, outrage and attract. The whole scene with the negotiation of the arranged marriage, political power and the violence in front of the stage, the emotions, fears, disgust, lust, perfect tv.
@@martinan22 Your comment is confused. History in this context is the actual truthful events of the past. The fact that parts of what has been written down as history is false has no bearing on whether a retelling of history should deliberately make things up, things which go counter to what we actually know about the events. The two things are not related. It is like saying it is okay to commit crimes in high-crime areas, because people are already committing crimes there. And no, 50% of history is not invented from thin air, that is utterly absurd, especially not the modern discipline of history. If you place a TV show in history it ought to not go completely off the rails with certain stuff, otherwise you might as well do complete fiction.
@@Osvath97 Listen, watch documentaries lie to you instead of TV shows lie to you. Then everyone happy, no? And I just have to laugh at this quote from you: "History in this context is the actual truthful events of the past. " HAHAHAHAAHAHAAA! Gods! You will belive anything, wont you?
The fact that the actor who played Kaiser Frederic III looked more like the historical Matthias than the actor playing him made me feel somehow really disappointed. That and of course the fact that they portrayed Matthias like a savage/sadistic barbarian. He was one of the most refined monarchs in Europe back then, a humanist king.
Yeah, though the Frederick actor was too old for Matthias, too. He should be 34 here, I think. Was that so hard to find a 30ish actor to play him for these few minutes? 🤦♀ There must be millions of such actors available.
@@Lily1127channel i know, in terms of historical accuracy he was too old to play Matthias. But his facial features would have been almost a perfect match for a series based on his late years (the siege of Vienna for example). The ressemblence of the actor here at 3:03 with the marble releif made by Giovanni Dalmata is striking if you put them side by side. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Portrait_of_Matthias_Corvinus%2C_King_of_Hungary.jpg
Under the rule of King Mátyás, Hungary was the largest and most developed country in Central Europe, and militarily it had an extremely strong force, and Mátyás was able to fulfill his position as head of state extremely well. His successors, on the other hand, immediately destroyed what he had built due to their poor leadership skills
because most of his army consisting mostly of mercenaries, which required constant war and looting to keep this army afloat, and this army was directed to Europe because the Ottomans could easily raise 100 thousand soldiers and flood the Hungarian border. that is why King Mathias could not risk going directly to war with the Ottomans
Mathias bled the country dry with his really bad system of taxation and blew all the money on campaigns, what didn't brought that much to the table. His successors inherited an empty treasury, a lot of disgruntled nobles, an army of mercenaries requiring the multiple amount of money what the treasury had and a mess of a defensive system in the balkans held together by glue and shoestrings. The Iagellons weren't bad kings. They inherited a complete mess of an economy and made it work before the era's strongest empire kicked the door in.
@@themountainman7003 A hajon kívül minden borzalmas. Egy felvilágosult uralkodóról beszélünk, külföldi forrásban láttam, hogy "reneszánsz herceg"-ként utaltak rá, itt meg egy pedofil gyökérnek tűnik. Szerintem nagyon összeakarták vonni a karaktert Vlad-dal, aki azért híresebb, mint Mátyás.
Obviously it was intended. The reality was that Matthias was a young man at this time. According to the paintings of him the other king resembled to him way more.
Which is kinda sad considering he was way ahead of his time and most of Europe had great respect for him for his merit in terms of politics, culture and warfare. I don't know, maybe the show runners don't like Hungarians or something so they wanted to paint Mathias as some creepy old dude oozing for a small girl or they were just extremely lazy and had zero knowledge and research on the subject.
I bet it was never mentioned in the show how many wars Hungary had to fight against Austria and the Ottomans before Matthias and why he had to conquer Austria. Just to be able to fight Ottomans and protect Christianity and the West. After Hungary was beaten, Austria came and acted like liberators. We suffered under the Ottoman Empire for 150 years, then under Austrian Empire for 300. We were in Wien once and King Matthias, one the most enlightened and intellectual rulers in Europe at the time is depicted as a savge, unjust conqueror. Disgusting.
According to one legend, Matthias is not dead, but has lost a battle, and sleeps in the depths of a mountain with his loyal knights. and when his beard has passed three times around the stone table on which he fell asleep, he wakes up and returns with his knights. King Matthias and the Black Army will return, because the country needs them.
Nyugati barátaink kedves szórakozása a magyar történelem és a történelmi alakok téves, lealázó bemutatása, vagy minimum nevetséges színben való feltüntetése. De csak szórakozzanak, amíg tehetik.
@@Lily1127channel Köszönöm hogy válaszolt! Igen láttam a hozzászólását. Én nagyon remélem hogy a készülő Hunyadi-sorozat szétfogja oszlatni azt a ködöt a fejekben, amit a sok nyugati szarság és 60 év nemzet pusztító politikája előidézett! Bírom az ilyen sorozatokban, mint ebben is, hogy mindig azokat teszi az áldozat és szegény szerencsétlen szerepébe akik pont a legaljasabbak közé tartoztak a történelemben, mint itt III. Frigyest, aki a magyarság és a Hunyadi család vesztét akarta.
@@csababekesi-marton2393 Jól mondja! Akkor bezzeg nem volt ilyen nagy arcuk, amikor Mátyás Boroszlónál ostromlott seregétől kértek békét az ostromló lengyelek mert éheztek és mikor a Habsburg Fricike elmenekült Bécsből mert Mátyás király szépen megindult ellene, mert elegük volt a magyaroknak abból ha a török ellen készülnek akkor nyugatról mindig támadás éri az országot.
@csababekesi-marton2393 Én láttam ezt az egész sorozatot, és szerintem nem kell ebbe semmi különöset belelátni. Csupán az történik, mint minden történelmi sorozatban, hogy a főhős jó színben van feltüntetve, az ellenségei nagyon rosszban. Miksa császár és a Habsburgok a jók, míg XI. Lajos francia király Mátyásnál még ezerszer negatívabb színben van feltüntetve a sorozat nagy részében, pedig az is nyugat. Ha arra gondolok, hogy a Szulejmánban milyen borzalmasan voltak a magyarok ábrázolva, főleg a 20 éves II. Lajos király, akit képesek voltak egy 50 éves török színésszel eljátszatni... Na és a most futó lengyel Koronás sasban is látni a magyarokat, Nay Lajost, Mária királynőt olyan rossz színben feltüntetve... Nem annyira a kelet-nyugat számít, mint inkább az, hogy mindenki a saját hőseit minél pozitívabbnak árázolja, míg ellenségeit rosszakként. Ha objektíven nézzük, jellemző ez a magyar alkotásokra is, csak ott számunkra kevésbé feltűnő, mivel nem minket sért. De pl ha a Kincsemre gondolok és Ferenc József ábrázolására, hát kiváncsi vagyok, mit mondana rá egy osztrák 😄 Nemcsak nagyon gonosz ott FJ, de nevetséges és történelmileg igen pontatlan is (egyáltalán nem érdekelte, hogy épp egy magyar ló győz-e, és nem ármánykodott a háttérben 😄) De magyarként ott nyilván nem zavart e történelmi pontatlanság.
Which in essence was quite a bad move. Dracula was quite good at defeating the common enemy. Makes you wonder if keeping his throne would've delayed Mohács
I wish to comment on the arms and armor in this duel. It is not designed to be a duel to the death, apparently. So: the weapons used, while very rare at the time, and later used during the age of pikes, are plausible for such a contest because they are big and fancy and are actually hard to use to kill or even wound someone in full plate. Second, Maximilian's lack of a bevoir, or chingard. I think it's a plausible choice. He has faith in his skills and feels he needs to breathe freely. So it's not as anachronistic as some say. Note that neither contestant is even carrying a dagger. This is more of a ritual than a real combat.
You are right. There were Zweihänder duels at the time and Maximilian certainly participated in some. I've looked at some of his remaining armors. They were usually not designed for maximum protection but favored flexibility, especially the Gothic armor that historians think he used in Guinegate 1479.
At this point when I'm watching middle ages drama i am just grateful they're wearing helmets. From what I've read the dagger usually came out in the last moments of a fight where you'd decide if a person was wealthy enough to keep alive or not. If not, daggers are useful.
@@rustomkanishka Or you just sit on an enemy breast while he is on his ass in the mud and shove that zweihander side pike through his helmet's eye slit.
@@krystal7958 Once more: He was one of The Hungarians. Faithful, fearless and humble servant of The Holy Crown. Nobleman in the highest rank. (Born in Hungary.) The thief rats of Mordor have a different path.
Our best king was Louis I. de Anjou (1342-1382). The worst was Ladislav the Cuman (1272-1290) and Leopold I. von Habsburg in 17th Century. Greetings from Bratislava/Pressburg
@@karoltomis5704 👍🏻But which was the worst is debated. I thin Ladielaus the Cuman was is bad situation. The worst king was Wladislaus II who was a weak king, Leopold I. was the most repressive king, Rudolph I was a lunatic, Joseph II was a freemansonist (communist overestimated him).
@@nativedeenfan The matter is even a scholarly debate because different sources say different things, and lately a lot of scholars care about Max I. Based on his various portraits created by various people, I think he does not look handsome, but somehow quite pleasant, the way some contemporary people described him. Jutting jaw but somehow still proportional (unlike Charles V), strong but lithe, beaked nose, intelligent eyes and subtle features like some Italian princes. The undisputed thing is that lots of contemporary women hopelessly and needlessly fell for the guy and suffered because of that. He had charm. The bigger lips actually came from Mary of Burgundy's ancestry.
I like how some of the scenes in this clip were shot from Maximilian’s perspective; that POV shot at 01:17! And I thought it was interesting that Matthias made the observation about how Frederick was treating Kunigunde like she was for sale.
Yeah, but she actually was 😞 As were all royal women, that's the sad truth. That was the reality of their world, so I find it weird that Matthias would say this. He had two marriages in his life and both were political ones, with the father "selling" his daughter to Matt for political purposes. Marriage treaties were the most important alliances for them.
@@Lily1127channel Medieval marriages in the Nobility and rich Burgher famlies were primarily about alliances. They were relations of convenience, not love. Do not ascribe modern values on historic societies. Both partners were subservient to the interest of their house yet this was what society at large agreed upon. Nothing about this was SEEN as weird or uncommon or creepy because they did not have our modern sensibilities. The middle ages had their very own philosophy shaped by tribal (often Germanic) common law, Christian practices (marriages began to be a connection of two people under Christianity and required both partners to agree in later terms and the spoken word by the PARTNERS, not the family confirmed the marriage - consumation also began to fall out of use) and the political system. Lacking an heir could lead to political instability and war. A young child, whether female or male, could be betrothed by a parent but the couple itself had to speak the vows once they were of suitable age. The minimum age seems to have been 12 for females and 14 for males (at first the time when puberty happened, later on it was seen as the time when people were old enough to comprehend the situation - of course not that enlightened unless one takes into account that in Germanic law a father could marry his daughter of if he pleased). There was some discourse as the Church and parts of society stated that a certain age should be reached before marriage took place. The consumation of the marriage (sex) did happen differently depending on location and time - people knew it was unhealthy for a young girl to have sex or bear a child so those cases were rare. After all childbirth was deadly enough in the best circumstances so sex at a young age was generally frowned upon.
I love the fact that he mentioned the Wallachians impaling ottomans as a threat! They had Vlad Dracula Tepes imprisoned and would parade him around when Turkish emissaries were present, even having him dine with them as sort of a message "You play nice or Vlad gets unleashed again!"
Why are movies featuring armour, swords, and the Medieval period in general, a time of vivid, vibrant tapestries and clothing, always shown as bleak and colourless, and the weather is always cloudy and rainy?
Not so much his son, Phillip, but his grandson, Charles V, who became the most powerful ruler in Europe, as the ultimate benefactor of dynastic succession.
Yo vi la serie y me gusto, el Rey Matías I de Hungría, un rey fuerte y poderoso capaz de hacer temblar a varios monarcas de su época inclusive al mismo sultán otomano y esto fue verdad ya que Matías creo una fuerza elite militar que era capaz de derrotar a los mismos otomanos la cual era el Ejercito Negro de Hungría un ejercito muy fuerte formado por soldados mercenarios que durante todo el reinado de Matías infundieron grandes éxitos militares a Hungría frenando el avance del imperio otomano
Yo soy de Hungría, y a mí no me gusta tanto. Él no sólo fue un gran rey militar con un ejercito fuerte. También fue el primer rey renacentista de Europa fuera de Italia. No como ese hombre barbarico que habla en una manera tan dura delante de una princesa que la aterroriza... Y no sé porque hacen a Matías tan viejo... Él tenía 34 años en este momento, y el actor tiene 58 aquí. Sólo para hacer la diferencia de edad entre él y la princesa mucho mayor y mucho más asqueroso.
It's interesting to see so many people standing in the pouring rain, with not an umbrella in sight. This was the golden age of Humanity, when Might made Right.
Matthias was one of the most culture centered leader of Europe. He had such choirs that Vienna couldn't dream of and even the papal choirmaster admired. Yet here he is portrayed as some kind of a psychopathic barbarian. I guess we Hungarians have to live with the fact that people portray us as a dumb barbarian because this is not the first time
@Z.K. You do not understand me. Wallachians are today's Romanians. It did not exist under the name of Romania because then it was known only by regions, Wallachia, Moldova, etc. This does not mean that it did not exist, it existed under the name of Dacia, a long time ago when Hungary did not exist. However, each country has its own version of history. There is no point in contradicting me on this!!
@@danieladani6450 Mátyás ancestors were migrated to hungary from wallachia at the reign Sigismund, but they were pechenges, not walachs, big differences..they were mercenary like warriors at the king service.
Writers be like "Lets make Matthias' character the polar opposite of what he was actually like" btw kid throwing a tantrum and want to wage war against Matthias is hilarious. Like good luck with that 😂
Kunigunde married Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria-Munich in 1487. Matthias Corvinus suggested her hand instead of being offered it by Frederick III, but he was refused. Matthias does without children while Kunigunde had 5 daughters and 3 sons, 2 of them becoming Dukes of Bavaria.
The episode was 90 minutes long. Yes, Kunigunde married someone else, so did Matthias. The marriage plan between them was never as serious as shown here. Matthias chose as his second wife a Neapolitan princess who was of course much older than this little Kunigunde.
@@justinleecw Matthias would have done better with this girl as wife than his later wife Beatrice who was infertile. Matthias was not as he had a son with one of his mistress, but this son was not accepted by the nobilities as his heir.
Nyilván nem szép dolog, de valahol minden történelmi dráma ezt csinálja. Arról, hogy a Szulejmánban hogy voltunk ábrázolva, vagy Nagy Lajosunk milyen méltatlan a lengyel Koronás sasban, ne is beszéljünk. Amikor mi vagyunk nem hűen ábrázolva, nekünk nem tetszik, mikor mi ábrázolunk rosszul másokat, észre se vesszük. Vegyük a mi Semmelweisünket. Ott az osztrák doktor karaktere, aki még betegeket gyilkolni is hajlandó azért csak hogy Semmelweisnek keresztbe tegyen... hát, finoman szólva is érdekes, és természetesen semmi köze a valósághoz 😀 Vagy a Kincsem, amiben Ferenc József rettentően gonosz és végig megszállottan próbálja megakadályozni Kincsem sikereit, más dolga sincsen, folyton ezen munkálkodik 😄 Miközben nyilván Kincsem meg a lóversenyek közel sem érték el az ingerküszöbét.
This is not the Viennese court. This is supposed to be Wiener Neustadt, that's a different town. The terrain doesn't look like Wiener Neustadt at all though.
@@gundarvarr1024 Not sure if you're joking, but every bit of contemporary art, both stylised and every day, depicts brilliantly colored cloth from peasants to nobles. The reason you don't see that in museums is because cloth and dye rapidly fades and crumbles over centuries unlike metal armour and weapons (which is what you're looking at in the museum). History books cover this too, one tidbit I remember is that the Scottish peasantry used urine to die their cloth Scottish yellow, while the nobility used expensive dye.
@@Lily1127channel out of heart (don't take it for granted) I believe they had some relation with Corvinus. They were tributaries maybe or members of the royal family...
@@es9382 Well, after all, everyone was everyone's cousin among the high-born people of Europe back then 😀 Especially when it came to neighboring countries like Hungary and Wallachia. Maximilian and the Habsburgs also had Hungarian royal blood. So, the point is that Vlad was not Matthias's voivode/subject/vassal, as this miniseries implies. They were just rulers in neighboring countries.
No, it must be earlier, before 1477. Here Maximilian is still unmarried, he marries Mary of Burgundy in a later scene. And in history they married in 1477.
@@Lily1127channel Thanks! I found which war was it! "Czech-Hungarian reconciliation did not improve Matthias and III. Frederick's relationship. Another serious problem was caused by the fact that in the spring of 1476 János Beckensloer, Primate Archbishop, Grand and Secret Chancellor of Esztergom fled to Friderick, taking with him his huge fortune, which he made available to the emperor. The Hungarian king had only one option left: war. The royal council supported his plan; supposedly, only Transylvanian voivode István Báthori, who prioritized the fight against the Turks, and the high priests who were in favor of peace opposed the declaration of war. The leader of the war party was Pál Kinizsi, who argued that Beckensloer's escape and the Hungarian royal title held by the emperor were shameful for the country. In the end, the majority enthusiastically voted for the war, from which they also hoped for a large booty.[60] On June 12, 1477, Mátyás III declared war. For Frederick. The Hungarian army occupied the whole of Lower Austria in what was almost a "blitzkrieg" and invaded Upper Austria as well, and besieged Vienna. Meanwhile IV. Pope Sixtus called the parties to peace negotiations and did not recognize II. Incorporation of Ulaszló into the Czech Kingdom. In the Peace of Gmunden-Korneuburg, concluded on December 1, 1477, the Hungarian king was satisfied with 100,000 forints. As King of Bohemia, Matthias could take the oath of vassalage to the emperor and received half of the money, but the remaining 50,000 forints remained permanently unpaid."
"For his foreign policy goals, he would have needed a wife from a prestigious dynasty, however, the ancient ruling houses looked down on the Hungarian king, who they considered to be arrogant. Hungarian diplomatic efforts were concentrated on this issue for more than a decade. He could have gotten a German wife from Saxony or Brandenburg, but the Hungarian lords opposed this. Mátyás IV is the most suitable politically. He would have kept Hedvig, the daughter of the Polish King Kazmér, but the Poles insulted her. In 1470, III. Also Emperor Frederick's daughter named Kunigunda, although she was only five years old.[102]" So it should be played in 1470. But Maximillian was 11 years old that time so 1477 is the real but that time Matthias had already a wife.
Matthias Corvinus was one of the greatest medieval monarchs, but ofc copium just seeps through the screen if you see an austrian portrayal of whoever they managed to get under their rule and managed to break free.
Ez , milyen film részlete?! Fugger név is elhangzik! Nálunk Magyaroknál rosszul hangzik a Fugger név! Elég szépen benne volt a keze Magyarország kifosztásában ..... Ez gondolom az a korszakára utal Mátyás Királyunk uralkodásának, mikor osztozott Bohémián és Karintián is ! Az , hogy egy Drakula Grófot is egy kézlegyimtésére a börtönében találta magát, is jelenti hogy a középkor legnagyobb uralkodójának minősül!
Hogy meg voltak ijedve az osztrákok mikor Mátyás befoglalta Bécset, hát nem tudom lehet hogy nem kellett volna a nyugati országrészt elfoglalni amíg Mátyás a törökökkel harcolt.
Mathias Corvinus was born in the very same city as I ! The city of Klausenburg aka Kolozsvar, today Cluj-Napoca which is the capital of Transylvania aka Siebenburgen aka Erdelyben !
Fun Fact: King Matthias Corvinus was the father of twin brothers Markus and William. Markus was bitten by a bat and metamorphosed into the first varmpire. William was bitten by a wolf and metamorphosed into the first werewolf.
No.That was kinda Elizabeth Báthory. Fun fact: Drakula in the book (1897) is Transylvanian - Hungarian ish Lord Drakula in the first movie (1931) played by Béla Lugosi, also Hungarian.
Well, this is how King Matthias lives in me : Tales of King Matthias th-cam.com/video/3JWCMFXx1oE/w-d-xo.html The automatic translator works funny with old language :D
Lol All those Hungarians being angry that he is being depicted as a bad guy in this show. What did you expect? He invaded Austria and the Austrians is what this movie is about! I can´t find anyone giving me a good reason for this bloodshed. Are you telling me he needed to do this to fight the Ottomans? That makes no sense. Please explain.
And that is why he, a 30-year old man, is played by a 60ish actor? 😄 Explain to me how that was necessary for the sake of drama. Btw if you saw the show you know that Matthias is not the bad guy in it, he barely appears. He has this scene and nothing else 😀 It is the French king who is the main villain, and inaccurate as his portrayal is, it is still more humanized than Matthias. So it was totally unnecessary in the storyline to depict him as something else than reality for this 5 minutes. Yes, he invaded Austria, no doubt about that, but that doesn't make him 60 years old or a pedo or an impaling maniac or a smoked face barbarian. We also don't depict Suleiman as the devil but as a realistic person who, yes, invaded Hungary and did several bad things. Btw it is not just Hungarians in the comment section who complained, there are many there from different countries, from the Netherlands to Spain, US, etc...
@@Lily1127channel I don´t think he looks that old or is presented as too evil. More evil than the real ruler maybe, but not much. And I know he is not the main badguy, probably because the Austrians just survived his attack with luck. He died early.
@@maxschreck4095 I was talking about the real actor's age actually 😀 Which was at the time of shooting more than 20 years older than Matthias should have been at that time. It is such a ridiculous and pointless inaccuracy. It's as if Franz Joseph was played by an 50-year-old actor at his wedding in a Sissi movie 😄 He is not the main bad guy here because the miniseries is about Max and Mary, the storyline focuses on Burgundy. It is set 1477-1482, so during Matt's lifetime, he died only in 1490. Well, worse or not than reality, he is definitely very different, as I rant about it in my pinned comment. Very very different, there is probably nothing he and the real Matthias have in common, save for the long hair and the name Matthias. He shouldn't even be called Corvinus 😄
@@maxschreck4095 It is much more complex than just slaughtering Austrians. Actually the relationship between Frederick and Matt progressed in a very interesting way through the decades, with many ups and downs, and both were at fault many times. There is not enough space here to explain it fully but look it up, it is really an intriguing research subject. Ever since Matt's election as king, Fred had a strong claim on his throne, having more Hungarian royal blood than Matt himself (tbh most European royalty had more). Even the Hungarian Saint Crown was in Fred's possession. Then in the 1460s they were allies against the Czech. Fred asked him for help against the Czech, promising him a lot of money and his help on the election as King of Romans. That was the deal. Matt did his part of it, beat the Czech, but then Fred complied none of his promises to him. Then their relationship deteriorated as Matt didn't want to renounce what he felt was his by the deal. But I am just scratching the surface here, there is much more to their alliances and conflicts.
King Mathias here looks like and it is 60 years old - historically when this happened he was 33 years old, and nothing happened on this way. This is a german hungarophob propaganda, based on the present political circumstances, when they like to way down Hungary, and showing the most enlighted renaissance hungarian king as some barbaric pervert. False and extremely hurtful, and this is something what we will give back to you ZDF propaganda...
This was done almost 10 years ago, not today 😉 So it can't be based on present political circumstances 😄 Have you seen this whole series? The French king Louis is a 100 times worse person than Matthias here 😀 So if this is hungarophobic propaganda then it is also francophobic propaganda 😅 Secondly, this is just what usually happens in historical dramas, in which the creator nation always depicts its own heroes very positively and the hero's historical rivals/enemies very negatively, usually as much worse than what they historically were. Are Semmelweis and Kincsem Austrophobic propaganda? Is Egri csillagok a turkophobic propaganda? Is the Polish series Korona krolow (Koronás sas) also hungarophobic propaganda because it depicts Louis the Great as a much worse man than he was? Is the Turkish Magnificent Century (Szulejmán) also ahungarophobic propaganda because of its bad respresentation of Hungarians? Are Braveheart and The Patriot an anti-english propaganda? Is Elizabeth: The golden age an anti-spanish propaganda? And we could go on and on, we could basically list every single historical drama here. Besides, as a Hungarian person who lived in Germany, I can tell that there is no such thing as hungarophobia in Germany. None. Germans and Hungarians usually get on very well. And if anyone has Orbanphobia, that is not and will never be equal to hungarophobia, because he himself is not Hungary 😊
Polish and Hungarian Kings were then rulers of Middle Eurrope, Hunyadis were The Great Killers of Turks, everyone knows this, cuz if Hungarian Countys falled, all super Eur. superpowers must wage against Turkish ana Islam. The kings: their bravery and fightness secured independence of all nations , but: nobody even their solemn aristocracy, "plemici", their own lords, couldn't tell : Our Master is forgiveness, peacefull, mercyfull. Our greatest king, Kazimierz Wielki, even him, ravaged Grody Czerwieńskie and killed at Podole County. So, the documentary isn't the best, really, in the miniserial. But, I agree, its very magnetic and colourfull ! Wish, inPL, such a pretty and historicaly exact skort story, they've for 8 years deceived us by telling stories in clerical, stupid serial Królowie: it is ABHORRENT ! even cats and medieval puppies, dogs, every creature only praying and praying: SAINTS FROM THE MOON 😃😃😃😃😃😃
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Okay, I decided I would not comment on this video but my inner patriot just can't help it, I need to rant, sry 😄 This King Matthias is just so wrong, on so many levels, and so pointlessly (I really can't see how it was for the sake of drama or the storyline), that I just have to write about it here.
First of all, the casting is terribly wrong: the actor is 58 years old, when MATTHIAS WAS 34 at this time! I really can't see how they couldn't put an actor in his 30s there, when that is the age group which is the most popular for male actors and there are tons and tons of them available. The mere idea of a marriage between a 60-like man and this small teenager girl is just so disgusting that it shouts at you from the screen and makes Matthias look like a disgusting and hideous man. I'm not saying that it is good if a 34 years old considers marrying a teenager, but a dashing 30s man that Matthias was at this time, in his prime, would look completely differently on screen, much less disgusting, and at the same time it would still reflect the horrible situation young princesses faced when they were mere pawns in marriage treaties.
Then, calling him Matthias Corvinus at this time is also wrong, because that was not his name. Corvinus was just a nickname his contemporaries gave him later (he was also given the name Matthias the Just by the people), his family name was Hunyadi. So his real name was Matthias Hunyadi. The "Corvinus" name was given to him referring to his famous Renaissance library, the Bibliotheca Corviniana, which was one of the most renowned libraries of the Renaissance world. It was even bigger than the library of Lorenzo the Magnificent. It consisted of about 3,000 codices, called "corvinae", because of the raven (corvus in Latin) on them which was Matthias's heraldic animal.
This fact about his library alone already indicates that this smoke-faced barbaric warrior picture that the series gives about Matthias is completely wrong. He was a Renaissance king ahead of his time, and under his partonage, Hungary became the first country outside Italy to embrace the Renaissance. The series is true about the fact that Matthias's famous Black Army, one of the earliest professional standing armies of medieval Europe, was one of the most feared armies of Europe at this time, match for the Ottoman army. Matthias needed such a strong army not only to fight his European neighbours and conquer territories from them but also to halt the Ottoman advance into Europe - an effort in which he was left alone by other Europeans in spite of trying to achieve military unity for campaign against the Ottomans. At the end of the video, there is this very weird fascination of Matthias for impaling, saying his voivodes in Wallachia put the Ottomans on spikes. I guess it refers to the infamous Vlad Tepes (he was the big fan of impaling, other voivodes were not so much), but the truth is that those Wallachian voivodes acted very indepently from Matthias, they were only indirectly under his control. Matthias sometimes helped them against the Ottomans and interfered in their inner affairs. He also supported Vlad Tepes's anti-Ottoman policy first, but then they had a conflict and Matthias even imprisoned him.
Matthias was not descendant of the former kings of Hungary, he was only from a noble family, although a very significant one. His father John Hunyadi was Regent of Hungary and the hero of the 1456 siege of Belgrade. Matthias was only 15 when he was elected King of Hungary in 1458 by the estates, at the persuasion of his powerful relatives. These relatives started to rule the country after Matthias's election, but just after 2 weeks, Matthias was like: "Okay thanks but I will rule alone", and he started his own reign as a 15-year-old, but very effectively. He waged wars against the Czech mercenaries who dominated Upper Hungary (today parts of Slovakia and Northern Hungary) and against Frederick III, Holy Roman Emperor, who claimed Hungary for himself (Frederick, as a European royalty, had much more Hungarian royal blood than Matthias himself). So in the regard of the fights between the two, the series is true, but the aggression went both ways, not just from Matthias towards Frederick.
About the possibility of a marriage between Matthias and Kunigunde: Matthias's first wife died in 1464, and then Matthias approached Frederick III to suggest a new bride for him among Frederick's relatives. Frederick II, Elector of Brandenburg proposed one of his daughters to Matthias but the Hungarian Estates opposed this plan. During the 1470 meeting of Emperor Frederick and Matthias (so not in 1477 as in the series), a marriage between Matthias and the Emperor's 5-year-old daughter was also discussed, but the Emperor was not willing to commit himself to the marriage - so, again, not like in the series. In the end, Matthias chose Beatrix of Aragon as his second wife and the engagement was announced in 1474 (before our series even begins).
Matthias is still an incredibly popular figure in Hungary and in other territories that he ruled, a subject of legends and folk tales. He is considered one of the two greatest kings of Hungary, next to Saint Stephen I.
I´m glad you decided to rant.I loved to get to know king Matthias true story.
Oh wow, so I was actually gonna ask you about your opinion on Matthias! Damm you read my mind!
Thank you for expressing it! Btw, could you recommend us a period drama based on Hungarian medieval history? I would LOVE to learn more about your incredible country ☺️
@@oberonyronwood5657 Oh, thank you, and it would be really awesome if I could recommend you anything. But the truth is, there are not many Hungarian productions about the Middle Ages, rather from later centuries (19-20th century). No tv shows, I think, only a couple of movies. There was a 1968 movie called Stars of Eger about the Hungarian fight against the Ottomans, especially the incredible victory at the 1552 Siege of Eger. There is also a more recent movie, Sacra Corona, about the Hungarian throne fights in the 11th century. That's all I can think of, unfortunately.
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About Matthias, there are lots and lots of animated tales on tv, but I don't think it would be available in any other language.
Also, there is a Polish tv show, Korona Królow, in which Hungary plays a prominent role, because at that time, in the 14th century, the history of Hungary and Poland was linked closely. Louis the Great appears a lot in that series, although I'm not always happy with his portrayal, but it's still not as inaccurate as this Matthias.
I don't know what I do faster: clicking on the video or scrolling down the comments section to learn more from your Lili! Thanks for these extras, I really appreciate them!
Wait, that's supposed to be Matthias the Just? The man who organized the first standing army in Europe and pretty much invented the concept of the fast-moving carriage? That's just shameful.
Really? They made Matthias Corvinus - one of the most englightened monarchs of the Middle Ages - to behave like that? To do creepy inuendos and seem like some brutal barbarian?
Its TV. And it works. And there are always many different perspectives on history.
@@martinan22 It does not work, just look at all the of the people who agree with my comment, and other similar comments.
You can not just use the word "perspective" to invent stuff ex nihilo.
@@Osvath97 Haha! You dont know anything about history if you think you cant invent stuff ex nihilo. Thats more than half of history, numbnuts!
And an old man making crude comments about too young bride, thats brilliant TV, it works perfectly to titilate, outrage and attract. The whole scene with the negotiation of the arranged marriage, political power and the violence in front of the stage, the emotions, fears, disgust, lust, perfect tv.
@@martinan22 Your comment is confused. History in this context is the actual truthful events of the past. The fact that parts of what has been written down as history is false has no bearing on whether a retelling of history should deliberately make things up, things which go counter to what we actually know about the events. The two things are not related. It is like saying it is okay to commit crimes in high-crime areas, because people are already committing crimes there. And no, 50% of history is not invented from thin air, that is utterly absurd, especially not the modern discipline of history.
If you place a TV show in history it ought to not go completely off the rails with certain stuff, otherwise you might as well do complete fiction.
@@Osvath97 Listen, watch documentaries lie to you instead of TV shows lie to you. Then everyone happy, no?
And I just have to laugh at this quote from you:
"History in this context is the actual truthful events of the past. "
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAA! Gods! You will belive anything, wont you?
The fact that the actor who played Kaiser Frederic III looked more like the historical Matthias than the actor playing him made me feel somehow really disappointed. That and of course the fact that they portrayed Matthias like a savage/sadistic barbarian. He was one of the most refined monarchs in Europe back then, a humanist king.
Yeah, though the Frederick actor was too old for Matthias, too. He should be 34 here, I think. Was that so hard to find a 30ish actor to play him for these few minutes? 🤦♀ There must be millions of such actors available.
@@Lily1127channel i know, in terms of historical accuracy he was too old to play Matthias. But his facial features would have been almost a perfect match for a series based on his late years (the siege of Vienna for example). The ressemblence of the actor here at 3:03 with the marble releif made by Giovanni Dalmata is striking if you put them side by side. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Portrait_of_Matthias_Corvinus%2C_King_of_Hungary.jpg
@@alexfratean6546 Yes
@@Lily1127channelYes😊
yesss,😅 Tobias Moretti looks like Matthias on historical pictures. First I thought , that this Actor is Matthias.😅
Under the rule of King Mátyás, Hungary was the largest and most developed country in Central Europe, and militarily it had an extremely strong force, and Mátyás was able to fulfill his position as head of state extremely well.
His successors, on the other hand, immediately destroyed what he had built due to their poor leadership skills
His army was extremely costly and nobody could keep paying for it for long periods.
Story of Hungary, sadly.
because most of his army consisting mostly of mercenaries, which required constant war and looting to keep this army afloat, and this army was directed to Europe because the Ottomans could easily raise 100 thousand soldiers and flood the Hungarian border.
that is why King Mathias could not risk going directly to war with the Ottomans
Yep a romanian made HUngary great!
Mathias bled the country dry with his really bad system of taxation and blew all the money on campaigns, what didn't brought that much to the table. His successors inherited an empty treasury, a lot of disgruntled nobles, an army of mercenaries requiring the multiple amount of money what the treasury had and a mess of a defensive system in the balkans held together by glue and shoestrings.
The Iagellons weren't bad kings. They inherited a complete mess of an economy and made it work before the era's strongest empire kicked the door in.
As a hungarian: Civilization 6 portrayal of Matthias is closer than this
I actually found this because Civ6 made me love Matthias. This is bad, even for tv.
miért tették ezt vele jézusom úgy néz ki mint egy tisztító
@@themountainman7003 A hajon kívül minden borzalmas. Egy felvilágosult uralkodóról beszélünk, külföldi forrásban láttam, hogy "reneszánsz herceg"-ként utaltak rá, itt meg egy pedofil gyökérnek tűnik. Szerintem nagyon összeakarták vonni a karaktert Vlad-dal, aki azért híresebb, mint Mátyás.
@@Hespi. igen tényleg nemtudom mit gondolnám hogyha innen tanulnék mátyásrol
I was about to say goddamn they did Matthias dirty
The guy playing Matthias Corvinus could easily be cast for a role as Conan the Barbarian.
Obviously it was intended. The reality was that Matthias was a young man at this time. According to the paintings of him the other king resembled to him way more.
Was it Matthias who fought there? 1474?
Funniest comment I have read in a long time. LOL Thanks...
Which is kinda sad considering he was way ahead of his time and most of Europe had great respect for him for his merit in terms of politics, culture and warfare. I don't know, maybe the show runners don't like Hungarians or something so they wanted to paint Mathias as some creepy old dude oozing for a small girl or they were just extremely lazy and had zero knowledge and research on the subject.
He never call himself Corvinus.
I bet it was never mentioned in the show how many wars Hungary had to fight against Austria and the Ottomans before Matthias and why he had to conquer Austria. Just to be able to fight Ottomans and protect Christianity and the West. After Hungary was beaten, Austria came and acted like liberators. We suffered under the Ottoman Empire for 150 years, then under Austrian Empire for 300. We were in Wien once and King Matthias, one the most enlightened and intellectual rulers in Europe at the time is depicted as a savge, unjust conqueror. Disgusting.
To be fair. Hungary after 1867 flourished under the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.
@@akronym4439 after centuries of keeping ottomans at bay? :D
They always lie about Hungarians in Europe.
Want to go back living under Muslim turks?
Hungarians invited Habsburgs because they were legitimate heirs to Hungarian throne
According to one legend, Matthias is not dead, but has lost a battle, and sleeps in the depths of a mountain with his loyal knights. and when his beard has passed three times around the stone table on which he fell asleep, he wakes up and returns with his knights. King Matthias and the Black Army will return, because the country needs them.
They’ll return as Europe falls into dark time again
Sértés így bemutatni Mátyás királyt! Amúgy tele van csúsztatással!
Pontosan, ezért is írtam meg abban a hosszú legfelső kommentben, hogy mik a bajok ezzel a jelenettel 😀
Nyugati barátaink kedves szórakozása a magyar történelem és a történelmi alakok téves, lealázó bemutatása, vagy minimum nevetséges színben való feltüntetése. De csak szórakozzanak, amíg tehetik.
@@Lily1127channel Köszönöm hogy válaszolt! Igen láttam a hozzászólását. Én nagyon remélem hogy a készülő Hunyadi-sorozat szétfogja oszlatni azt a ködöt a fejekben, amit a sok nyugati szarság és 60 év nemzet pusztító politikája előidézett! Bírom az ilyen sorozatokban, mint ebben is, hogy mindig azokat teszi az áldozat és szegény szerencsétlen szerepébe akik pont a legaljasabbak közé tartoztak a történelemben, mint itt III. Frigyest, aki a magyarság és a Hunyadi család vesztét akarta.
@@csababekesi-marton2393 Jól mondja! Akkor bezzeg nem volt ilyen nagy arcuk, amikor Mátyás Boroszlónál ostromlott seregétől kértek békét az ostromló lengyelek mert éheztek és mikor a Habsburg Fricike elmenekült Bécsből mert Mátyás király szépen megindult ellene, mert elegük volt a magyaroknak abból ha a török ellen készülnek akkor nyugatról mindig támadás éri az országot.
@csababekesi-marton2393 Én láttam ezt az egész sorozatot, és szerintem nem kell ebbe semmi különöset belelátni. Csupán az történik, mint minden történelmi sorozatban, hogy a főhős jó színben van feltüntetve, az ellenségei nagyon rosszban. Miksa császár és a Habsburgok a jók, míg XI. Lajos francia király Mátyásnál még ezerszer negatívabb színben van feltüntetve a sorozat nagy részében, pedig az is nyugat.
Ha arra gondolok, hogy a Szulejmánban milyen borzalmasan voltak a magyarok ábrázolva, főleg a 20 éves II. Lajos király, akit képesek voltak egy 50 éves török színésszel eljátszatni... Na és a most futó lengyel Koronás sasban is látni a magyarokat, Nay Lajost, Mária királynőt olyan rossz színben feltüntetve... Nem annyira a kelet-nyugat számít, mint inkább az, hogy mindenki a saját hőseit minél pozitívabbnak árázolja, míg ellenségeit rosszakként. Ha objektíven nézzük, jellemző ez a magyar alkotásokra is, csak ott számunkra kevésbé feltűnő, mivel nem minket sért. De pl ha a Kincsemre gondolok és Ferenc József ábrázolására, hát kiváncsi vagyok, mit mondana rá egy osztrák 😄 Nemcsak nagyon gonosz ott FJ, de nevetséges és történelmileg igen pontatlan is (egyáltalán nem érdekelte, hogy épp egy magyar ló győz-e, és nem ármánykodott a háttérben 😄) De magyarként ott nyilván nem zavart e történelmi pontatlanság.
Matthias Corvinus, the man who imprisoned Dracula
And Drakula impaled small animals during his captivity. Can't say he wasn't comitted to his hobby.
@@dorzsboss he impaled marshmallows
Which in essence was quite a bad move. Dracula was quite good at defeating the common enemy. Makes you wonder if keeping his throne would've delayed Mohács
@@andreipop5805 I guess it happened because he attacked Transsylvania.
@@dorzsboss Yes he attacked it, but he did it during a civil war in wich he was in Corvinus' side, so that's not an arguement
I wish to comment on the arms and armor in this duel. It is not designed to be a duel to the death, apparently. So: the weapons used, while very rare at the time, and later used during the age of pikes, are plausible for such a contest because they are big and fancy and are actually hard to use to kill or even wound someone in full plate. Second, Maximilian's lack of a bevoir, or chingard. I think it's a plausible choice. He has faith in his skills and feels he needs to breathe freely. So it's not as anachronistic as some say. Note that neither contestant is even carrying a dagger. This is more of a ritual than a real combat.
You are right. There were Zweihänder duels at the time and Maximilian certainly participated in some. I've looked at some of his remaining armors. They were usually not designed for maximum protection but favored flexibility, especially the Gothic armor that historians think he used in Guinegate 1479.
The sore thumb is the visored bascinet. That was outdated by 40 years at that time.
At this point when I'm watching middle ages drama i am just grateful they're wearing helmets.
From what I've read the dagger usually came out in the last moments of a fight where you'd decide if a person was wealthy enough to keep alive or not. If not, daggers are useful.
@@rustomkanishka Or you just sit on an enemy breast while he is on his ass in the mud and shove that zweihander side pike through his helmet's eye slit.
Not Mathias Corvinus! This just in the latin language! Mátyás Hunyadi is the real name!The biggerst and best hungarian king forever!
*one of the many great Hungarian kings
@@danieladani6450 There was no such meaningless shit like "rom*nian". Do you know that, right?
@@krystal7958 Once more: He was one of The Hungarians. Faithful, fearless and humble servant of The Holy Crown. Nobleman in the highest rank. (Born in Hungary.)
The thief rats of Mordor have a different path.
Our best king was Louis I. de Anjou (1342-1382). The worst was Ladislav the Cuman (1272-1290) and Leopold I. von Habsburg in 17th Century. Greetings from Bratislava/Pressburg
@@karoltomis5704 👍🏻But which was the worst is debated. I thin Ladielaus the Cuman was is bad situation. The worst king was Wladislaus II who was a weak king, Leopold I. was the most repressive king, Rudolph I was a lunatic, Joseph II was a freemansonist (communist overestimated him).
The actor playing Maximillian is so handsome ❤❤❤❤
Yes a fine looking man
Is this accurate? Was he a handsome guy?
We know his son would be one day.
@@nativedeenfan The matter is even a scholarly debate because different sources say different things, and lately a lot of scholars care about Max I. Based on his various portraits created by various people, I think he does not look handsome, but somehow quite pleasant, the way some contemporary people described him. Jutting jaw but somehow still proportional (unlike Charles V), strong but lithe, beaked nose, intelligent eyes and subtle features like some Italian princes. The undisputed thing is that lots of contemporary women hopelessly and needlessly fell for the guy and suffered because of that. He had charm. The bigger lips actually came from Mary of Burgundy's ancestry.
I like how some of the scenes in this clip were shot from Maximilian’s perspective; that POV shot at 01:17! And I thought it was interesting that Matthias made the observation about how Frederick was treating Kunigunde like she was for sale.
Yeah, but she actually was 😞 As were all royal women, that's the sad truth. That was the reality of their world, so I find it weird that Matthias would say this. He had two marriages in his life and both were political ones, with the father "selling" his daughter to Matt for political purposes. Marriage treaties were the most important alliances for them.
Lili1127 I wouldn’t think a King would say something like that in front of a woman
@@scottibrown3274 Unfortunately even kings could act like that. Nobility (yet alone royalty) didn't always guarantee respectful behaviour.
I really like the close up shots, because it really shows how visceral and brutal hand to hand duel combat can be.
@@Lily1127channel Medieval marriages in the Nobility and rich Burgher famlies were primarily about alliances. They were relations of convenience, not love. Do not ascribe modern values on historic societies.
Both partners were subservient to the interest of their house yet this was what society at large agreed upon. Nothing about this was SEEN as weird or uncommon or creepy because they did not have our modern sensibilities. The middle ages had their very own philosophy shaped by tribal (often Germanic) common law, Christian practices (marriages began to be a connection of two people under Christianity and required both partners to agree in later terms and the spoken word by the PARTNERS, not the family confirmed the marriage - consumation also began to fall out of use) and the political system. Lacking an heir could lead to political instability and war.
A young child, whether female or male, could be betrothed by a parent but the couple itself had to speak the vows once they were of suitable age. The minimum age seems to have been 12 for females and 14 for males (at first the time when puberty happened, later on it was seen as the time when people were old enough to comprehend the situation - of course not that enlightened unless one takes into account that in Germanic law a father could marry his daughter of if he pleased). There was some discourse as the Church and parts of society stated that a certain age should be reached before marriage took place. The consumation of the marriage (sex) did happen differently depending on location and time - people knew it was unhealthy for a young girl to have sex or bear a child so those cases were rare. After all childbirth was deadly enough in the best circumstances so sex at a young age was generally frowned upon.
I love the fact that he mentioned the Wallachians impaling ottomans as a threat! They had Vlad Dracula Tepes imprisoned and would parade him around when Turkish emissaries were present, even having him dine with them as sort of a message "You play nice or Vlad gets unleashed again!"
It's both funny and infuriating how they try to take jabs at Hungary by antagonizing Matthias Rex like that.
The King of Hungary- We are not made of sugar. Lets fight!!!
This short TV series is so underrated honestly
Why are movies featuring armour, swords, and the Medieval period in general, a time of vivid, vibrant tapestries and clothing, always shown as bleak and colourless, and the weather is always cloudy and rainy?
Same reason mexico is yellow tinted in american movies.
Sometimes i feel like maximilian was overshadowed by his wife & kids in history
Not so much his son, Phillip, but his grandson, Charles V, who became the most powerful ruler in Europe, as the ultimate benefactor of dynastic succession.
That sounds pleasant. I would say we live in better times, but these days with the things I see on the interwebz I am not so sure.
Yo vi la serie y me gusto, el Rey Matías I de Hungría, un rey fuerte y poderoso capaz de hacer temblar a varios monarcas de su época inclusive al mismo sultán otomano y esto fue verdad ya que Matías creo una fuerza elite militar que era capaz de derrotar a los mismos otomanos la cual era el Ejercito Negro de Hungría un ejercito muy fuerte formado por soldados mercenarios que durante todo el reinado de Matías infundieron grandes éxitos militares a Hungría frenando el avance del imperio otomano
Yo soy de Hungría, y a mí no me gusta tanto. Él no sólo fue un gran rey militar con un ejercito fuerte. También fue el primer rey renacentista de Europa fuera de Italia. No como ese hombre barbarico que habla en una manera tan dura delante de una princesa que la aterroriza...
Y no sé porque hacen a Matías tan viejo... Él tenía 34 años en este momento, y el actor tiene 58 aquí. Sólo para hacer la diferencia de edad entre él y la princesa mucho mayor y mucho más asqueroso.
@@Lily1127channel Are you latino European?
@Chris Wanger I am from Hungary, and I'm 100% Hungarian as far as I know 😊
@@Lily1127channel Aren't you Swabian?
@@Lily1127channel where do you live?
Favorite ruler in CIV
It's interesting to see so many people standing in the pouring rain, with not an umbrella in sight.
This was the golden age of Humanity, when Might made Right.
Das ist schon scene. Bravo. Kamila Lewicka
Why this court yard is giving nostalgia oooh kcd
The guy fighting isn’t Mathias Corvonius - the kings are sitting and watching, discussing later
Matthias was one of the most culture centered leader of Europe. He had such choirs that Vienna couldn't dream of and even the papal choirmaster admired. Yet here he is portrayed as some kind of a psychopathic barbarian. I guess we Hungarians have to live with the fact that people portray us as a dumb barbarian because this is not the first time
Why is this fight happening? For the amusement of the spectators? Is Maximilian’s opponent someone significant, such as the Hungarian champion?
Még az angolok is tudják, hogy Mátyás magyar király volt.
Even the English know that Matthias was a Hungarian king.
De ahogy csináltak a filmet úgy néz ki mint ha Mátyás valamilyen vad barbár lett volna.
A Hungarian king made by a Romanian man with a Hungarian woman!!
@Z.K. You do not understand me. Wallachians are today's Romanians. It did not exist under the name of Romania because then it was known only by regions, Wallachia, Moldova, etc. This does not mean that it did not exist, it existed under the name of Dacia, a long time ago when Hungary did not exist. However, each country has its own version of history. There is no point in contradicting me on this!!
@@danieladani6450 Mátyás ancestors were migrated to hungary from wallachia at the reign Sigismund, but they were pechenges, not walachs, big differences..they were mercenary like warriors at the king service.
@@zoltandaniel5784 ok
By the way, Mathias Rex / Mátyás Király 😍🇭🇺 OCCUPIED VIENNA / BÉCS 💖
Two times, 1477 and 1784...
Based on this comment section I have to Google Matthias Corvinus
Élyen ma mátyás király
🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
Ennek mi a magyar címe a sorozatnak?
@@jxjdnjsnsn3579 bocs de nemtom
@@jxjdnjsnsn3579Szomszédok
Tanulj meg írni juhfej!
Szerinted elfogadna a Magyar nep Hunyadi Janos Kiraly Nemeset ma mint Kiraly?!
Writers be like "Lets make Matthias' character the polar opposite of what he was actually like" btw kid throwing a tantrum and want to wage war against Matthias is hilarious. Like good luck with that 😂
Great helmet visibility
You would rather take a sword blow across your face then?
Well it’s either you have less visibility and more protection or you have more visibility and less protection
Can anyone tell me the title of this film and where can it be watched
I don’t get why they went to the expense of getting him a suit of plate but didn’t get a gorget or bevor to cover his chin
Doesn't Frederick's daughter end up marrying someone else?
And seriously? All this happened in one episode?
Kunigunde married Albert IV, Duke of Bavaria-Munich in 1487. Matthias Corvinus suggested her hand instead of being offered it by Frederick III, but he was refused. Matthias does without children while Kunigunde had 5 daughters and 3 sons, 2 of them becoming Dukes of Bavaria.
The episode was 90 minutes long.
Yes, Kunigunde married someone else, so did Matthias. The marriage plan between them was never as serious as shown here. Matthias chose as his second wife a Neapolitan princess who was of course much older than this little Kunigunde.
@@Lily1127channel I `m shocked at the way they are talking about the young princess.She is still so young.I think she was shocked too.
@@justinleecw Matthias would have done better with this girl as wife than his later wife Beatrice who was infertile. Matthias was not as he had a son with one of his mistress, but this son was not accepted by the nobilities as his heir.
@@justinleecw and Mathias's Hungarian throne is inherited bya Polish prince, reigning as the actual King of Bohemia (albeit, an inept one)
5:32. Bravo. Kamila Lewicka
A németek átírják a történelmet a saját szájízük szerint? Nahát, micsoda meglepetés... :D
Nyilván nem szép dolog, de valahol minden történelmi dráma ezt csinálja. Arról, hogy a Szulejmánban hogy voltunk ábrázolva, vagy Nagy Lajosunk milyen méltatlan a lengyel Koronás sasban, ne is beszéljünk. Amikor mi vagyunk nem hűen ábrázolva, nekünk nem tetszik, mikor mi ábrázolunk rosszul másokat, észre se vesszük.
Vegyük a mi Semmelweisünket. Ott az osztrák doktor karaktere, aki még betegeket gyilkolni is hajlandó azért csak hogy Semmelweisnek keresztbe tegyen... hát, finoman szólva is érdekes, és természetesen semmi köze a valósághoz 😀
Vagy a Kincsem, amiben Ferenc József rettentően gonosz és végig megszállottan próbálja megakadályozni Kincsem sikereit, más dolga sincsen, folyton ezen munkálkodik 😄 Miközben nyilván Kincsem meg a lóversenyek közel sem érték el az ingerküszöbét.
He was brutal on his last days of reign. Killing everybody who tried to betray him. So what man cannot be brutal in war and yet enlightened?
If you can’t get excited at a sword fight you better go see a DR
This END was pornographic.
Anyone know the name of the song being played here?
whatt muvi is it:?
Как называется фильм ??
Maximilian
Why was a rainy day picked for the fight?
Mystery!
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Because it's Austria, it's always raining there.
BS!@@steffino2
Hey that was no fun in poring rain ? Hmm.
Now I know Robocop just copied south German medieval armor lol
No coif and no bevor..? Ouch!
Mattias Hunyadi brought the renessiance to eastern Europe
Hungary is in Central Europe
This is not the Viennese court. This is supposed to be Wiener Neustadt, that's a different town. The terrain doesn't look like Wiener Neustadt at all though.
Sehr witzig! Hat kein Historische Wahrheit!
Hungary was so based back then they are still coping centuries later
No neck lower jaw defence.
Wats movie is this ? Thx for answer :)
It is a miniseries, the title is Maximilian
@@Lily1127channel aaa... ok thank you veru much:)
Снято четко🖒
что за фильм?
Whats the mane of the movie/serie????
Maximilian
Medieval people: Use so many bright colours they make an Indian wedding look bland
Modern movies about the middle ages: Graaaaaayyyyyyyy
get your history straight. Don't get fact from children coloring book, go visit museum and see it for your self.
@@gundarvarr1024 Not sure if you're joking, but every bit of contemporary art, both stylised and every day, depicts brilliantly colored cloth from peasants to nobles. The reason you don't see that in museums is because cloth and dye rapidly fades and crumbles over centuries unlike metal armour and weapons (which is what you're looking at in the museum). History books cover this too, one tidbit I remember is that the Scottish peasantry used urine to die their cloth Scottish yellow, while the nobility used expensive dye.
Name the film?
Maximilian
In fact, it wouldn't have been the loser would die it's just a movie !!
sauce?
What is the name of this movie
Maximilian
One of his voivodes was Dracula!
No, he wasn't. The series is incorrect, Mattias didn't have voivodes there. Vlad Tepes (Dracula) and the others were independent neighbors of Mattias.
@@Lily1127channel out of heart (don't take it for granted) I believe they had some relation with Corvinus. They were tributaries maybe or members of the royal family...
@@es9382 I know the fact for certain that other than neighbors, and occasionally allies, occasionally enemies, they didn't have relations 😀
@@Lily1127channel Vlad's 2nd wife was Mathias cousin (source: Wikipedia)
@@es9382 Well, after all, everyone was everyone's cousin among the high-born people of Europe back then 😀 Especially when it came to neighboring countries like Hungary and Wallachia. Maximilian and the Habsburgs also had Hungarian royal blood. So, the point is that Vlad was not Matthias's voivode/subject/vassal, as this miniseries implies. They were just rulers in neighboring countries.
Was it around 1485-1490?
No, it must be earlier, before 1477. Here Maximilian is still unmarried, he marries Mary of Burgundy in a later scene. And in history they married in 1477.
@@Lily1127channel Thanks! I found which war was it! "Czech-Hungarian reconciliation did not improve Matthias and III. Frederick's relationship. Another serious problem was caused by the fact that in the spring of 1476 János Beckensloer, Primate Archbishop, Grand and Secret Chancellor of Esztergom fled to Friderick, taking with him his huge fortune, which he made available to the emperor. The Hungarian king had only one option left: war. The royal council supported his plan; supposedly, only Transylvanian voivode István Báthori, who prioritized the fight against the Turks, and the high priests who were in favor of peace opposed the declaration of war. The leader of the war party was Pál Kinizsi, who argued that Beckensloer's escape and the Hungarian royal title held by the emperor were shameful for the country. In the end, the majority enthusiastically voted for the war, from which they also hoped for a large booty.[60]
On June 12, 1477, Mátyás III declared war. For Frederick. The Hungarian army occupied the whole of Lower Austria in what was almost a "blitzkrieg" and invaded Upper Austria as well, and besieged Vienna. Meanwhile IV. Pope Sixtus called the parties to peace negotiations and did not recognize II. Incorporation of Ulaszló into the Czech Kingdom. In the Peace of Gmunden-Korneuburg, concluded on December 1, 1477, the Hungarian king was satisfied with 100,000 forints. As King of Bohemia, Matthias could take the oath of vassalage to the emperor and received half of the money, but the remaining 50,000 forints remained permanently unpaid."
"For his foreign policy goals, he would have needed a wife from a prestigious dynasty, however, the ancient ruling houses looked down on the Hungarian king, who they considered to be arrogant. Hungarian diplomatic efforts were concentrated on this issue for more than a decade. He could have gotten a German wife from Saxony or Brandenburg, but the Hungarian lords opposed this. Mátyás IV is the most suitable politically. He would have kept Hedvig, the daughter of the Polish King Kazmér, but the Poles insulted her. In 1470, III. Also Emperor Frederick's daughter named Kunigunda, although she was only five years old.[102]" So it should be played in 1470. But Maximillian was 11 years old that time so 1477 is the real but that time Matthias had already a wife.
Matthias Corvinus was one of the greatest medieval monarchs, but ofc copium just seeps through the screen if you see an austrian portrayal of whoever they managed to get under their rule and managed to break free.
Ez , milyen film részlete?! Fugger név is elhangzik! Nálunk Magyaroknál rosszul hangzik a Fugger név! Elég szépen benne volt a keze Magyarország kifosztásában ..... Ez gondolom az a korszakára utal Mátyás Királyunk uralkodásának, mikor osztozott Bohémián és Karintián is ! Az , hogy egy Drakula Grófot is egy kézlegyimtésére a börtönében találta magát, is jelenti hogy a középkor legnagyobb uralkodójának minősül!
Hogy meg voltak ijedve az osztrákok mikor Mátyás befoglalta Bécset, hát nem tudom lehet hogy nem kellett volna a nyugati országrészt elfoglalni amíg Mátyás a törökökkel harcolt.
Matthias was bald with mustache
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mejik matyi?
...a matyi az a balfas,balrpol aki tapogata a kisslanyt,a ket opapatol fent a nezoktol
Ce frumos e Matei Corvine
И охота умирать в такой ливень.
Mathias Corvinus was born in the very same city as I ! The city of Klausenburg aka Kolozsvar, today Cluj-Napoca which is the capital of Transylvania aka Siebenburgen aka Erdelyben !
Hunyadi built Transylvania. A idiota Romanok nem is tudjak. Lol
Fun Fact: King Matthias Corvinus was the father of twin brothers Markus and William. Markus was bitten by a bat and metamorphosed into the first varmpire. William was bitten by a wolf and metamorphosed into the first werewolf.
Sounds gay, keep going...
No.That was kinda Elizabeth Báthory.
Fun fact: Drakula in the book (1897) is Transylvanian - Hungarian ish
Lord Drakula in the first movie (1931) played by Béla Lugosi, also Hungarian.
Well, this is how King Matthias lives in me : Tales of King Matthias
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The automatic translator works funny with old language :D
What show is this?
Maximilian
DAs ist schon Hungarian Ottoman historia. Kamila Lewicka
Were it s tolerant s black Knight? 😂
Lol All those Hungarians being angry that he is being depicted as a bad guy in this show. What did you expect? He invaded Austria and the Austrians is what this movie is about! I can´t find anyone giving me a good reason for this bloodshed. Are you telling me he needed to do this to fight the Ottomans? That makes no sense. Please explain.
And that is why he, a 30-year old man, is played by a 60ish actor? 😄 Explain to me how that was necessary for the sake of drama.
Btw if you saw the show you know that Matthias is not the bad guy in it, he barely appears. He has this scene and nothing else 😀 It is the French king who is the main villain, and inaccurate as his portrayal is, it is still more humanized than Matthias. So it was totally unnecessary in the storyline to depict him as something else than reality for this 5 minutes. Yes, he invaded Austria, no doubt about that, but that doesn't make him 60 years old or a pedo or an impaling maniac or a smoked face barbarian. We also don't depict Suleiman as the devil but as a realistic person who, yes, invaded Hungary and did several bad things.
Btw it is not just Hungarians in the comment section who complained, there are many there from different countries, from the Netherlands to Spain, US, etc...
@Gőzpöfögészeti Tovalöködönc And how does that justify slaughtering Austrians?
@@Lily1127channel I don´t think he looks that old or is presented as too evil. More evil than the real ruler maybe, but not much. And I know he is not the main badguy, probably because the Austrians just survived his attack with luck. He died early.
@@maxschreck4095 I was talking about the real actor's age actually 😀 Which was at the time of shooting more than 20 years older than Matthias should have been at that time. It is such a ridiculous and pointless inaccuracy. It's as if Franz Joseph was played by an 50-year-old actor at his wedding in a Sissi movie 😄
He is not the main bad guy here because the miniseries is about Max and Mary, the storyline focuses on Burgundy. It is set 1477-1482, so during Matt's lifetime, he died only in 1490.
Well, worse or not than reality, he is definitely very different, as I rant about it in my pinned comment. Very very different, there is probably nothing he and the real Matthias have in common, save for the long hair and the name Matthias. He shouldn't even be called Corvinus 😄
@@maxschreck4095 It is much more complex than just slaughtering Austrians. Actually the relationship between Frederick and Matt progressed in a very interesting way through the decades, with many ups and downs, and both were at fault many times. There is not enough space here to explain it fully but look it up, it is really an intriguing research subject.
Ever since Matt's election as king, Fred had a strong claim on his throne, having more Hungarian royal blood than Matt himself (tbh most European royalty had more). Even the Hungarian Saint Crown was in Fred's possession.
Then in the 1460s they were allies against the Czech. Fred asked him for help against the Czech, promising him a lot of money and his help on the election as King of Romans. That was the deal. Matt did his part of it, beat the Czech, but then Fred complied none of his promises to him. Then their relationship deteriorated as Matt didn't want to renounce what he felt was his by the deal.
But I am just scratching the surface here, there is much more to their alliances and conflicts.
What tvshow is this?
Maximilian
@@Lily1127channel Where did you watch this mini series? Are there any of these series on Netflix?
@@nrpradita I watched this one on zdf.de after it aired in Germany.
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Schon kinder 3:17. Kamila Lewicka
Name of movie please
Maximilian
That sallet is a little too big for his head, and he should be wearing a bevor with it.
Да ну что за оленизм драться ради сопливого платка какой мадамы
King Mathias here looks like and it is 60 years old - historically when this happened he was 33 years old, and nothing happened on this way. This is a german hungarophob propaganda, based on the present political circumstances, when they like to way down Hungary, and showing the most enlighted renaissance hungarian king as some barbaric pervert. False and extremely hurtful, and this is something what we will give back to you ZDF propaganda...
This was done almost 10 years ago, not today 😉 So it can't be based on present political circumstances 😄
Have you seen this whole series? The French king Louis is a 100 times worse person than Matthias here 😀 So if this is hungarophobic propaganda then it is also francophobic propaganda 😅
Secondly, this is just what usually happens in historical dramas, in which the creator nation always depicts its own heroes very positively and the hero's historical rivals/enemies very negatively, usually as much worse than what they historically were. Are Semmelweis and Kincsem Austrophobic propaganda? Is Egri csillagok a turkophobic propaganda? Is the Polish series Korona krolow (Koronás sas) also hungarophobic propaganda because it depicts Louis the Great as a much worse man than he was? Is the Turkish Magnificent Century (Szulejmán) also ahungarophobic propaganda because of its bad respresentation of Hungarians? Are Braveheart and The Patriot an anti-english propaganda? Is Elizabeth: The golden age an anti-spanish propaganda? And we could go on and on, we could basically list every single historical drama here.
Besides, as a Hungarian person who lived in Germany, I can tell that there is no such thing as hungarophobia in Germany. None. Germans and Hungarians usually get on very well. And if anyone has Orbanphobia, that is not and will never be equal to hungarophobia, because he himself is not Hungary 😊
No Bevor? Why go to all that trouble wearing full plate, just to neglect your most vital spot. One strike to the neck, fight is over...
Racial profiling in movies at its best. They made sure that even the hands of the Hungarian king looked dirty.
Без понтовые фетишисты
Such a cliche to have grey weather and washed out colour palette in a medieval movie. They had sunlight too.
Disreputable, trashy and offensive portrayal on every level! Congratulations!
Пожалуйста подскажите что за фильм?Заранее спасибо.
Maximilian (2017) мини-сериал
Polish and Hungarian Kings were then rulers of Middle Eurrope, Hunyadis were The Great Killers of Turks, everyone knows this, cuz if Hungarian Countys falled, all super Eur. superpowers must wage against Turkish ana Islam.
The kings: their bravery and fightness secured independence of all nations , but: nobody even their solemn aristocracy, "plemici", their own lords, couldn't tell : Our Master is forgiveness, peacefull, mercyfull. Our greatest king, Kazimierz Wielki, even him, ravaged Grody Czerwieńskie and killed at Podole County.
So, the documentary isn't the best, really, in the miniserial.
But, I agree, its very magnetic and colourfull ! Wish, inPL, such a pretty and historicaly exact skort story, they've for 8 years deceived us by telling stories in clerical, stupid serial Królowie: it is ABHORRENT ! even cats and medieval puppies, dogs, every creature only praying and praying: SAINTS FROM THE MOON 😃😃😃😃😃😃
Не было таких шлемов, придумка