I've been on Sony for a bit over 3 years, today shooting both the A7RV & A7Cii. I do admit that about a year after the Canon R5 was released I was starting to drink the Kool-aid LOL. Since then, the Canon R5 has come off my radar mostly because of their closed lens eco-system. Totally agree with you, that today and within the past 5 years, you really can't go wrong with any brand - crop or FF. It's all subjective.
Oh man you have a BEASTLY setup!! I think you would have been disappointed with the R5 in comparison especially on the video side. But yeah man, I’m renting a Canon R50 and Sony 6700 just to prove how good cameras are. Obviously the expensive bodies produce better results but we can’t deny how good we got it these days!
Funny when Tony an Chelsea did the blind camera test. Sony won best color science. Sony a7IV has a nice grip and autofocus is fast which is why i went with the A7IV over the Sony a7rV. The A7iv uses AI powered autofocus as well and was just as fast. Besides the a7RV having higher pixel count i couldn't justify the price difference. I just put the extra towards new lenses.
Your take put words to how I felt with Canon. The images felt clinical to me. Love the way the bodies feel in my hand, but I feel a lot more expression with my Sony bodies.
The new Sony color science has almost caught up with Canon. I love my A7IV and the pliability of the RAW photos is insane. It actually has the best dynamic range of any regular mirror less camera on the market if I’m not mistaken.
They have definitely made some strides to make it a lot better than before. And yes their sensors on the photo side absolutely beats most in dynamic range
Love you too Mario! Learnt a lot from your comparative video! personally i think I go for Sony A7 IV because of the lens availability yet saving some money! Good luck!
Nice shots. Ive been shooting portraits professionally for 20 years now and have owned and used just about every brand. It really doesnt matter. Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic...everyone makes great cameras these days. I personally think all the modern mirrorless cameras lack character and a vibe. They are too sterile and digital looking. I'll often shoot film or older CCD sensor digital cameras that definitely have a vibe and clients love the look. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!! And I’ve gotten into testing creative filters lately to add a little more grit and emotion to these perfect sensors haha. But definitely want to try film again! Thank you again!
@@mariodevon_ yea, I’ve been down that road buying and trying different mist and diffusion filters to soften up the image and make it look more filmic or give it more character or using editing tricks etc…Got tired of of it and just started shooting film again and older CCD sensors. Much easier 😊
I have to agree with you on the personality perspective. I shoot with these brands as well. One of the things that I liked about Canon EF glass was that it had character that made up for Canon’s bodies. The RF glass eliminated that character, and their unwillingness to open up the mount to third party manufacturers hurts more. I still enjoy using both of these brands but I have definitely noticed this and griped about it as well.
I love using all the brands too. Only reason I sold my R5 was because it would be cheaper to buy in one system than lenses from both systems. Additionally I would edit footage and photos side by side, and noticed I liked the work from my Sony cameras more 😭😅
@@mariodevon_it’s definitely cheaper to stay within your preferred ecosystem. I really like the files that I get from Sony. Non-Sony users will always discuss the color science, but real photographers understand that color science is irrelevant when you use Raw files. With all the brands that I use, no one can just look at one of my images and tell me which camera that it came from. That backdrop that you had for this shoot was epic 🤯
Hearing you talking about these especially on ergonomics and a "look", I think you should try a Z8/Z9. I feel like you would possibly love it more. Not for objective reasons of course because they all can do portraits well but I feel like the Z8 leave an impression on you :)
That tennis court much be really high looking at those buildings. In Chongqing China that's a cyberpunk city that have a gas station on top of a apartment building. And there is a train that goes into a apartment building. I just watched a TH-cam video yesterday and this photoshoot being up really high just reminds me of Chongqing city.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:00:13 *🎥 The Canon R5 and Sony A7IV are being used concurrently for a photoshoot, focusing on their pros and cons rather than a direct comparison.* 00:00:48 *🌞 A natural light photoshoot is underway, featuring a Canon R5 with a Sigma 50mm Art lens and a Sony A7IV with a Sigma 35mm Art lens.* 00:01:15 *🖐️ Canon cameras are praised for their ergonomic design and comfortable grip, making them feel more complete than Sony cameras.* 00:02:10 *🔍 Sony cameras have low-quality EVFs and screens, which can make images appear better on a computer than on the camera display.* 00:02:42 *⚡ The Canon R5 is noted for its high-speed shutter, ideal for sports photography, but it comes at a higher price point compared to the Sony A7IV.* 00:03:30 *🖼️ Both cameras offer excellent image quality, with the Canon R5 providing 45 megapixels and the Sony A7IV offering 33 megapixels, making it hard to distinguish differences at a glance.* 00:04:13 *🎨 Canon is known for its color science, but Sony is praised for better highlight rolloff and dynamic range.* 00:05:21 *📸 Both cameras boast impressive autofocus performance even with adapted lenses, staying competitive in 2024.* 00:05:47 *🤔 Canon cameras can have a sterile look, while Sony cameras are perceived to have more personality in their image texture and colors.* 00:06:26 *🎬 Personal preference may lead to liking one brand over the other, but both Canon and Sony are strong contenders in terms of image quality and camera personality.* 00:07:20 *🔎 Detail in lenses can affect perceived sharpness and texture, with older lenses giving a more unique image feel.* 00:08:01 *🤝 Choosing the right camera depends on personal needs, as both Canon and Sony offer excellent options; the decision is subjective.* 00:08:41 *📷 It's a great time to be a photographer, with many high-quality, entry-level and professional cameras available across brands like Canon, Sony, Nikon, and Fuji.* Made with HARPA AI
I did see a review of the Canon 85mm RF f1.2 vs the Canon 85mm EF f1.8 and people liked the Canon 85mm EF f1.8 better. Depending on who you are shooting some of the newer lens can be too sharp for some peoples faces. You model is young so her shin is very good and healthy but when people get older the older lens are better. That fashion photographer Peter Coulson using some manual focus lens I think Zeiss lens and he goes out of focus just a little bit to soften the image. They should make cameras that go out of focus just a tiny bit so to emulate a soft filter. Also all these newer cameras have IBIS they could vibrate the sensor to soften the image. Pentax has this feature to avoid moire. I think Chris reviewed a Pentax on TheCameraStoreTV or DPreview. Can't remember what channel I think it was the Pentax K2?
All of the old Pentax, Fujifilm and even Olympus cameras have a nice way of capturing faces. Looks like real life instead of seeing every detail because the sensors and lenses are so sharp. With lenses, I think that’s why we are seeing the emergence of so many cinema lenses looking to add more softness to an image. But to the Canon, all of their new RF glass is so good. TOO GOOD. I felt like I doubled my megapixels the image was so sharp 🤣🤣
Funny I disagree on colour but not for the reason you might think. I don't care much about colours in jpegs because it is super rare that I shoot in jpegs.... And in Raw or of camera colours barely matter anymore. No what I meant is that, at the very beginning of Sony cameras, Sony aimed at making the most colour accurate cameras in the world and also the best camera for skin tones for skins of all colours. And they succeeded according to lab tests but people didn't like Sony colours and started complaining. I do not know if it is because they were used to Canon or Fuji or Nikon colours, or if it was because photography doesn't have to be accurate to be beautiful and inaccuracies can make pictures more beautiful than the real thing... But at the end it didn't matter and Sony had to modify their colour rendition to satisfy the customer requests (or the influencers' requests). Canon on the other hand, like all the other camera manufacturers, has always had it's own sauce and people seem to love it. The Canon colour recent hype I think is something else, I think it is a marketing effort by Canon to divert the attention from the lower dynamic range of their sensors which are not BSI/stacked like the competition... The fact that they reuse the same sensors for multiple generations of cameras, the cripple hammer etc. So they found something to hype, the highly subjective taste for Canon colours. I have used canon as my main camera for many many decades and I am used to them, their colour rendition out of camera and some colour changes I sometimes do on Lightroom... And on colour alone, I could choose Sony, Nikon, Fuji... It wouldn't make much difference. I can't stand how Sony cameras feel in the hand, I love the Z8 a lot but I am not in a buying gear phase and I am happy with my R5... Fuji is nice, I had one and sold it, I could go back to an X-S20 as a small travel camera for a kit lens setup at some point although I don't like having a ton of lenses for different mounts around. Back to the subject, it is super rare to find someone thinking that Sony colours have more character as Sony never tried to achieve character, at least not for the first generations of a6xxx and a7xxx.
When you take something like the A7RV or the new A9 III in your hands, you feel how the Sony bodies evolve. The A7RV feels completely different to the A7IV and that body is way closer to the R5. Yep, you can compare an A7IV and a R5, but it doesn't make much sense. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the 61mpix sensor itself, but the camera is over all hard to compare with the A7IV. The EVF, the AF, display etc. etc. the A7IV looks very old now. The thing is and this was always the problem with the A7IV, it was never a WOW-camera. As it got released everyone was like, hmmm, ok. That was it?! It's hard to love or to hate. It's the Corolla or Golf of cameras.
I have held the A7RV and it’s niceeeee. And I compared them because of the results you can get with both are comparable. When we pay a premium, we are paying for all those quality of life improvements from the R5 and A7RV
For affordable options yes, but with the new Canon releases, it’s closer now. R5II, C80 (competitively priced!), and C400 bring them up to speed. Looking to test them out soon!
I stated in the outro that photographers can’t go wrong with either brand now as cameras, even entry level, produce high quality results. Thanks for watching!
While I do agree with your statement about the ergonomics of the R5. I really have to admit I really had to get used to this type of plastic fantastic body coming from a 1DX2. I mean the R5 is good but the 1DX2 was like tank.
That colour personality u are saying in the sony is because their inconsistent AWB hhahaha it looks analog because of that... canon always consistent with their colours and Awb thats why they look the way it is 😃
I've been on Sony for a bit over 3 years, today shooting both the A7RV & A7Cii. I do admit that about a year after the Canon R5 was released I was starting to drink the Kool-aid LOL. Since then, the Canon R5 has come off my radar mostly because of their closed lens eco-system. Totally agree with you, that today and within the past 5 years, you really can't go wrong with any brand - crop or FF. It's all subjective.
Oh man you have a BEASTLY setup!! I think you would have been disappointed with the R5 in comparison especially on the video side. But yeah man, I’m renting a Canon R50 and Sony 6700 just to prove how good cameras are. Obviously the expensive bodies produce better results but we can’t deny how good we got it these days!
Funny when Tony an Chelsea did the blind camera test. Sony won best color science. Sony a7IV has a nice grip and autofocus is fast which is why i went with the A7IV over the Sony a7rV. The A7iv uses AI powered autofocus as well and was just as fast. Besides the a7RV having higher pixel count i couldn't justify the price difference. I just put the extra towards new lenses.
It’s hard to ignore how versatile the A7IV is. Between the FX3 and A7IV I own, my finances have never been more safe 🤣
Your take put words to how I felt with Canon. The images felt clinical to me. Love the way the bodies feel in my hand, but I feel a lot more expression with my Sony bodies.
Yooooo Bree!!! Glad to see you over on the TH-cam! And people in the comments telling me to try the A7RV if I want a better body. 🤣🤣
Nah it’s the other way around for me
The new Sony color science has almost caught up with Canon. I love my A7IV and the pliability of the RAW photos is insane. It actually has the best dynamic range of any regular mirror less camera on the market if I’m not mistaken.
They have definitely made some strides to make it a lot better than before. And yes their sensors on the photo side absolutely beats most in dynamic range
Love you too Mario! Learnt a lot from your comparative video! personally i think I go for Sony A7 IV because of the lens availability yet saving some money! Good luck!
Nice shots. Ive been shooting portraits professionally for 20 years now and have owned and used just about every brand. It really doesnt matter. Canon, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic...everyone makes great cameras these days. I personally think all the modern mirrorless cameras lack character and a vibe. They are too sterile and digital looking. I'll often shoot film or older CCD sensor digital cameras that definitely have a vibe and clients love the look. Keep up the great work.
Thank you!! And I’ve gotten into testing creative filters lately to add a little more grit and emotion to these perfect sensors haha. But definitely want to try film again! Thank you again!
@@mariodevon_ yea, I’ve been down that road buying and trying different mist and diffusion filters to soften up the image and make it look more filmic or give it more character or using editing tricks etc…Got tired of of it and just started shooting film again and older CCD sensors. Much easier 😊
Cleannnn man, your videos, deliverance and quality is very enjoyable
Yooooo thank you broooo!!
I have to agree with you on the personality perspective. I shoot with these brands as well. One of the things that I liked about Canon EF glass was that it had character that made up for Canon’s bodies. The RF glass eliminated that character, and their unwillingness to open up the mount to third party manufacturers hurts more. I still enjoy using both of these brands but I have definitely noticed this and griped about it as well.
I love using all the brands too. Only reason I sold my R5 was because it would be cheaper to buy in one system than lenses from both systems. Additionally I would edit footage and photos side by side, and noticed I liked the work from my Sony cameras more 😭😅
@@mariodevon_it’s definitely cheaper to stay within your preferred ecosystem.
I really like the files that I get from Sony. Non-Sony users will always discuss the color science, but real photographers understand that color science is irrelevant when you use Raw files.
With all the brands that I use, no one can just look at one of my images and tell me which camera that it came from.
That backdrop that you had for this shoot was epic 🤯
Hearing you talking about these especially on ergonomics and a "look", I think you should try a Z8/Z9. I feel like you would possibly love it more. Not for objective reasons of course because they all can do portraits well but I feel like the Z8 leave an impression on you :)
That tennis court much be really high looking at those buildings. In Chongqing China that's a cyberpunk city that have a gas station on top of a apartment building. And there is a train that goes into a apartment building. I just watched a TH-cam video yesterday and this photoshoot being up really high just reminds me of Chongqing city.
Yes, it was a rooftop tennis court. One of the best in the city but very limited access
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:00:13 *🎥 The Canon R5 and Sony A7IV are being used concurrently for a photoshoot, focusing on their pros and cons rather than a direct comparison.*
00:00:48 *🌞 A natural light photoshoot is underway, featuring a Canon R5 with a Sigma 50mm Art lens and a Sony A7IV with a Sigma 35mm Art lens.*
00:01:15 *🖐️ Canon cameras are praised for their ergonomic design and comfortable grip, making them feel more complete than Sony cameras.*
00:02:10 *🔍 Sony cameras have low-quality EVFs and screens, which can make images appear better on a computer than on the camera display.*
00:02:42 *⚡ The Canon R5 is noted for its high-speed shutter, ideal for sports photography, but it comes at a higher price point compared to the Sony A7IV.*
00:03:30 *🖼️ Both cameras offer excellent image quality, with the Canon R5 providing 45 megapixels and the Sony A7IV offering 33 megapixels, making it hard to distinguish differences at a glance.*
00:04:13 *🎨 Canon is known for its color science, but Sony is praised for better highlight rolloff and dynamic range.*
00:05:21 *📸 Both cameras boast impressive autofocus performance even with adapted lenses, staying competitive in 2024.*
00:05:47 *🤔 Canon cameras can have a sterile look, while Sony cameras are perceived to have more personality in their image texture and colors.*
00:06:26 *🎬 Personal preference may lead to liking one brand over the other, but both Canon and Sony are strong contenders in terms of image quality and camera personality.*
00:07:20 *🔎 Detail in lenses can affect perceived sharpness and texture, with older lenses giving a more unique image feel.*
00:08:01 *🤝 Choosing the right camera depends on personal needs, as both Canon and Sony offer excellent options; the decision is subjective.*
00:08:41 *📷 It's a great time to be a photographer, with many high-quality, entry-level and professional cameras available across brands like Canon, Sony, Nikon, and Fuji.*
Made with HARPA AI
Haha thanks!
Love the video brotha ✊🏾
Thank you bro!!
I did see a review of the Canon 85mm RF f1.2 vs the Canon 85mm EF f1.8 and people liked the Canon 85mm EF f1.8 better. Depending on who you are shooting some of the newer lens can be too sharp for some peoples faces.
You model is young so her shin is very good and healthy but when people get older the older lens are better.
That fashion photographer Peter Coulson using some manual focus lens I think Zeiss lens and he goes out of focus just a little bit to soften the image.
They should make cameras that go out of focus just a tiny bit so to emulate a soft filter. Also all these newer cameras have IBIS they could vibrate the sensor to soften the image. Pentax has this feature to avoid moire. I think Chris reviewed a Pentax on TheCameraStoreTV or DPreview. Can't remember what channel I think it was the Pentax K2?
All of the old Pentax, Fujifilm and even Olympus cameras have a nice way of capturing faces. Looks like real life instead of seeing every detail because the sensors and lenses are so sharp. With lenses, I think that’s why we are seeing the emergence of so many cinema lenses looking to add more softness to an image.
But to the Canon, all of their new RF glass is so good. TOO GOOD. I felt like I doubled my megapixels the image was so sharp 🤣🤣
@@mariodevon_ You might want to checkout the Everyday Filter. Even Raft reviewed it. It can help take off that digital sharpness look.
The canon r5 going as low of 2500 dollars right on adorama you think it’s worth buying for videography in 2024?
Funny I disagree on colour but not for the reason you might think. I don't care much about colours in jpegs because it is super rare that I shoot in jpegs.... And in Raw or of camera colours barely matter anymore.
No what I meant is that, at the very beginning of Sony cameras, Sony aimed at making the most colour accurate cameras in the world and also the best camera for skin tones for skins of all colours. And they succeeded according to lab tests but people didn't like Sony colours and started complaining. I do not know if it is because they were used to Canon or Fuji or Nikon colours, or if it was because photography doesn't have to be accurate to be beautiful and inaccuracies can make pictures more beautiful than the real thing... But at the end it didn't matter and Sony had to modify their colour rendition to satisfy the customer requests (or the influencers' requests).
Canon on the other hand, like all the other camera manufacturers, has always had it's own sauce and people seem to love it. The Canon colour recent hype I think is something else, I think it is a marketing effort by Canon to divert the attention from the lower dynamic range of their sensors which are not BSI/stacked like the competition... The fact that they reuse the same sensors for multiple generations of cameras, the cripple hammer etc. So they found something to hype, the highly subjective taste for Canon colours.
I have used canon as my main camera for many many decades and I am used to them, their colour rendition out of camera and some colour changes I sometimes do on Lightroom... And on colour alone, I could choose Sony, Nikon, Fuji... It wouldn't make much difference. I can't stand how Sony cameras feel in the hand, I love the Z8 a lot but I am not in a buying gear phase and I am happy with my R5... Fuji is nice, I had one and sold it, I could go back to an X-S20 as a small travel camera for a kit lens setup at some point although I don't like having a ton of lenses for different mounts around.
Back to the subject, it is super rare to find someone thinking that Sony colours have more character as Sony never tried to achieve character, at least not for the first generations of a6xxx and a7xxx.
When you take something like the A7RV or the new A9 III in your hands, you feel how the Sony bodies evolve. The A7RV feels completely different to the A7IV and that body is way closer to the R5. Yep, you can compare an A7IV and a R5, but it doesn't make much sense. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the 61mpix sensor itself, but the camera is over all hard to compare with the A7IV. The EVF, the AF, display etc. etc. the A7IV looks very old now. The thing is and this was always the problem with the A7IV, it was never a WOW-camera. As it got released everyone was like, hmmm, ok. That was it?! It's hard to love or to hate. It's the Corolla or Golf of cameras.
I have held the A7RV and it’s niceeeee. And I compared them because of the results you can get with both are comparable. When we pay a premium, we are paying for all those quality of life improvements from the R5 and A7RV
@@mariodevon_hold an a9iii and then tell me what you think lol. Trust me when I say it’s a goat Sony body and the ergos are amazing.
I’m trying to save money this year. Chill 🤣🤣🤣
Great video bro. Question do you sell the preset that works for both Sony and canon?
I make them but I haven’t started selling them yet. Aiming to have them ready mid May
Sigma art 40mm 1.4 would have been my choice.
I don’t own that lens but I hear good things!
@@mariodevon_ made me get rid of my 50 and 35. One of the best lens out there. A little heavy but worth its weight.
on Canon use D+ you get more DR in high
Tried it!
nice video!! Is it possible to get the same edit in both photos? i mean, the edit I do in canon can I do the same for sony?
You absolutely can! If you are shooting RAW, you can control colors easily
I'm hoping the A7V will finally be the "keep it for 10 years" camera. Sony has really lagged behind with screens until the A7RV.
So are we saying that Sony is better for video
For affordable options yes, but with the new Canon releases, it’s closer now. R5II, C80 (competitively priced!), and C400 bring them up to speed. Looking to test them out soon!
The R5 is $3200 on B&H right now?
Thats over priced.
I don’t think it’s overpriced for all it does. Just a couple of things holding the R5 back like the lack of some video centric features
Is $2900 now
Not really a fair comparison. Isn’t the R5 the flagship?
That’s the point of the discussion in this video actually
No the R3 is the flagship
Throw an A1 in there, the R5 still can keep up
@@draeknox ah okay
I think you haven't answer the question. Which one is better? simple
I stated in the outro that photographers can’t go wrong with either brand now as cameras, even entry level, produce high quality results. Thanks for watching!
While I do agree with your statement about the ergonomics of the R5. I really have to admit I really had to get used to this type of plastic fantastic body coming from a 1DX2. I mean the R5 is good but the 1DX2 was like tank.
There’s just nothing like that 1DX2 body. Even the R3 doesn’t stand a chance.
I subscribed
And I appreciate it!
That colour personality u are saying in the sony is because their inconsistent AWB hhahaha it looks analog because of that... canon always consistent with their colours and Awb thats why they look the way it is 😃
Who uses auto WB?
Well AWB is by definition, inconsistent.
@@TheLinesEnd me?
@@mbismbismb most professionals use custom white balance.
@@TheLinesEnd really? well i considered myself unprofessional wedding photographer then 😬😬😬
Sony has more "personality" because the colorspace is all wrong lol
I don’t think a single camera brand has color space all wrong in 2024