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- One of my favorite modernist pieces. I like to think of it as Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" on crack (see if you can find all the references!) There are also references to other early century music such as Schoenberg and (I think) Mahler. The last 5 minutes or so is one of the most intense endings I know of.
Riccardo Chailly conducts the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
Frank Zappa brought me here.
+Maxime Merlin ditto
+Maxime Merlin And the Legacy continues
+Maxime Merlin Frank brought me to Edgard! :)
+doctorfuse007 You can definitely hear this man's influence in the Zappa music, particularly the electronic phase.
Yep.
“Contrary to general belief, an artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind…” Edgard Varese, French, composer
Technically an American composer of French birth. But whatever, great quote!
as chauvinisme goes since he has italian father and has spent his formative years in Italy (from 10 to 20) you could also say that he is an italian-french composer
What I just don't understand about Varèse is why he thought the generally conservative USA, out of all the other places, was a good alternative to France, which he though was not avantgarde enough.
Nonsense. He was both a French and US citizen (at the very least sequentially) and was French-Italian by ethnic origin.
"Im not smart, everyone else is dumb!"
I brought myself here.
nice
same
Finally, a musical interpretation of what I heard when I had a fever of 103.5 when I was 7 years old.
Very interesting
103,5°C
D...did your blood boiled?
@@loplopthebird1860 that would be °F
Maybe you had the radio on and it was really 103.5 FM. Once I said it's only 10:45 PM? Friend said. "No" that's 104.5 FM.
Said it elsewhere...saying again...Varese is the darker, angrier Stravinsky. Great stuff. Pretty obvious Zappa loved those two composers.
This is how i feel when socializing
lol
I'm on disability retirement and have 24 hours a day to do whatever I want to. I'm going to start making sounds I like. Should be fun.
👏👏👏🍺
How's it going?
@@THEDONTTELLSHOW good! I've learned B Major. starting to work on creating sounds in Reason 10. I just like B major
Hey, any update on this?
@@acavalalcha yes! I'm learning scales on the keyboard. Now I'm taking what I've learned to a electric guitar 1 string at a time. I have learned B Major the best so far. thanks!
Studying Frank Zappa's biography guided me to this track, I'm evolving so much by listening to this one track.
Zappa set me free musically to create.
The weird thing that when Edgard Vareses passed away at 1965, after that directly Frank started his career as musician and recorded his first album.
It is like a legacy(legend later) continued legend works.
I came here because of the same thing, six years later! Hope all is well!
Justin Bieber brought me here.
Really enjoyed this. Thanks for the time uploading it. Thanks everybody else here knowing the name Frank Zappa too. I heard this and the Rites of Spring (mentioned above) at a very cool Edinburgh Festival one year. I also managed to see Sun Ra at one event there also. Feel blessed? Why yes. Yes i do.
Your neighbor thought he'd play Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor to scare the children for Halloween, but you came up with a better idea...
Edgard Varese musical ideas can be heard in a million movie cues!!!
Yeah ?
@@YellowCase2024 West Side story total !!
I can see why Zappa admired him.
Totally
+Jaime Robles Mendoza he looks like the Dweezil.......
+tonewall jaxon that's so true it's scary..
If you are into this and Allan Holdsworth I salute you.
JUST FOUND OUT HE WAS A BIG INFLUENCE ON HIM...I NOW CAN HEAR IT.
Oh man, the aggression. This is like the heavy metal of the classical music scene.
Varese really knew what he was saying when he described his music as "the movement of sound-masses" colliding at different speeds and angles, as delineated as different colored zones on a map, all in separate movements, occasionally crashing together.
And damn is it interesting to listen to.
eruption257 I wish more people would have that reaction to Xenakis
They probably told him his music was blasphemy
Here by accident as he looks like Joachim Phoenix
Now I know why he looked familiar. Thanks
By listening this, I've already pictured Tom & Jerry in my mind.
ahahaaahah :)))
Edgar Varèse brought me here.
This is the first time I listen to a work by Varèse from the beginning to the end. Very cool! I find all the references you mentioned (mostly evident to me is the Rite of Spring) and also some Villa-Lobos (above all "Uirapuru", "Amazonas" and Choros no.8). Thanks!
Glad to know someone hears Villa-Lobos!
Yes, Villa Lobos's everywhere here!
To David: You listened to it from beginning to end. Very few people do that anymore. Bravo Sir!!!!!
Sure it has Villa Lobos and Stravinsky
Sounds like Gershwin's evil twin.
Curiosity brought me here. Interesting.
Zappa lead me here.
Zappa lead me here. I hear Varese on 200 motels. I miss Frank Zappa.
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Varese's definition of music: "The corporealization of intelligence that exists within sound."
A squid eating dough
in a polyethylene bag,
is fast and bulbous, got me?
Pierre Boulez brought me here.
Varèse is much more accessible, than Boulez (RIP), who is by far too edgy for me. And yes, Zappa brought me here, too... :D
Edgy?
One of Frank Zappa's earliest classical music influences.
A reviewer said of Varese's music at the time "His music is either from the distant past, or the far future, and I can tell which it is."
Both
Man, the dynamics in this recording are incredible, and this only a TH-cam capture. Can’t wait to locate a physical copy of this and listen to it on my stereo.
Why is the siren so much more tasteful in this version than in my Naxos version? Who knew a siren player could make that big of an impact? This is probably my first Varese piece I've truly enjoyed.
The siren bought me here
I hear so much of this echoed in Zappa's music (of course)
Chicago had a track titled "a hit by Varese"
Varèse led me here.
A 52-year-old comic book villian named Scorpio brought me here.
I like to listen to this very very LOUD!!!
"One of my favorite modernist pieces. I like to think of it as Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" on crack (see if you can find all the references!) " So, for you, plagiarism is a good thing?
arf
Arf to you too! I'm going to eat some lump gravy with Mo and Herb right now, you're welcome to join me!
Did Zappa bring yas here?
yeah Frank brought me here too
Me too. All these years later and he's still teaching me.
Came here via Chicago.
Masterwork from a truly Genius!!!
"Rite of Spring" is already on crack !
This must be SUPER CRACK
Thank you fz I get Varese now
he is genius !
Imagine and LSD trip with this music...
I'm guessing the end of this had a big influence on the score of the movie Aliens.. heavy as
Reminds me of a Hitchcock movie!
I admit my research on Revolution 9 sent me here. Well worth the effort as this is truly a work of genius.
frank zappa brought me here
Me too...
Ditto!
me too
Me too! kk
The word that comes immediately to mind is “cinematic.”
he modern day composer refuses to die
And that's a great thing. :)
The most stressful music ever
Fascinating! Not even five minutes in and I've got goosebumps.
Varese is very exciting to discover. Unlike other modernists, once you hear his work 2 or 3 times, you are satisfied for life. Nothing more to be gained from further listening. The music of composers like Messiaen, Ligeti or Boulez one can listen to for decades, but not Varese.
Speak for yourself.
This was originally orchestrated for a 140 (!) piece orchestra. Varese cut 15 woodwinds and 5 percussion. I don't believe the original orchestration has ever been recorded. Would love to hear it!
This is an actual recording of the original. I think more important is his cutting of the big brass ensemble behind the stage, which you can hear in this recording in all its glory.
Charlie Parker brought me here...
There's an interview of bird talking about meeting Edgar and studying under him in Europe.
'Throughout his career, Charlie Parker publicly acknowledged his admiration for Varese, who was his Greenwich Village neighbor. “I had the pleasure of meeting Edgar Varese,” he once said on Boston radio, “The French composer. He was very nice to me. He’s willing to teach me. He wants to compose something for me.” Of these encounters, Varese remarked, “He stopped by my place a number of times. He was like a child, with the shrewdness of a child. He possessed a tremendous enthusiasm. He’d come in and exclaim, ‘take me in as you would a baby and teach me music. I only write one voice. I want to have structure. I want to write orchestral scores.’ I promised myself I would try to find some time to show him some of the things he wanted to know.” Unfortunately, while the two musicians met informally several times, Varese left for Paris to compose Deserts shortly after they met, and when he returned in the Spring of 1955, Parker was two months dead from lobar pneumonia and a bleeding ulcer.'
from digitice.org/blog/post/varese-charlie-parker-and-the-new-york-improv-sessions
@@rickvosper7318 Much thanks for this sharing of Parker-Varese encounter.
so damn intense, but greatt
Frank Zappa was influenced by the 'stranger music' of Edgar Varèse.
Zappa!
Thank you Frank!
Zappa
This music creates a creepy mood. There is something appealing about... and surprising... An incredible amount of impressions, especially when I'm listening at night...
The reference to Schönberg Op. 16 No. 1 ending at minute 17:30 is very clear, and well yes Stravinsky on crack :-)
Quién es Zappa?
Frank Zappa, un grandioso músico del siglo XX
@@PepeLuguillo asi es jajaja, no en broma
This guy was really influenced by the Rite of Spring lol hahahah
so similar that it turns me off to varese
I agree. Sounds like a quirky French Stavinsky.
JulianJules you look like that guy!
He surpassed Le Sacre in my opinion
He's not even hiding that influence at all. To me this is a bleak copy of the Rite of Spring with on the paper same "fun and exciting" instrumentation.
Heard about him from Zappa, but I'm hearing a lot of Keith Emerson "Tarkus"
here too.
varese lead me to zappa :)
zappa led me to varese
efa0tz varese lead zappa to me
+roni levin avoid to communicate with dead
Edmond Kemper brought me here. If you’re going to carry heads in a duffle bag, this is your soundtrack.
Very cool and I love this music because it's crazy how he can do that
Frank Zappa brought me here also.☺
I'm so grateful for this
Thank you for sharing 🙏
Edgar's compositions are as modern as they are full of message. A real cascade of new timbres and glissandos that bring an environment full of suspense and uncertainty as he sees this work in depth.
I am going to a film about Varese at The Moma this Wed. The music sounds like the haunting music sprinkled around the original Planet of The Apes.
Hi from México: Monstruo de la creación electrónica!...que sería del Rock sin su influencia...no existiría ni el, ni el Jazz! Abrazo esta maravilla de ser!!...Dios te bendiga Edgar....donde quiera que estés!!
This is the first time I listen to a work by Varèse from the beginning to the end. Very cool! I find all the references you mentioned (mostly evident to me is the Rite of Spring) and also some Villa-Lobos (above all "Uirapuru", "Amazonas" and Choros no.8). Thanks!
i like to think of this as the origin of the sad trombone 13:10
That final chord!!
Influenced the Beatles?
Strawinsky brought me here xD
Of course, FZ too
No....he sucked..Richard wright....tangerine dream.....on and on
ANOTHER MASTERPIECE
wow this is amazing
Les versions de Robert Craft et de Pierre boulez sont des références en la matière !
Thanks, Frank......
So deeply inspired.
kris jenner brought me here
this music makes me feel like something bad is gonna happen
+drewstix magee
if you were tripping on LSD multiply that feeling by about 10,000 and then hold on tight.
A quarter of a million views on such a modern classical composition after eight years online? Holy crap; I will bet you anything that Zappa fans has a LOT to do with that. That’s absolutely phenomenal for modernist compositions like this one, later minimalist compositions, and Dadaist or experimental music in general. I’ve seen some of my favorite compositions of Steve Reich and other minimalist composers from the 1980s on barely scraping up 30K views after a decade or longer available on TH-cam which I find simultaneously understandable and sad and not sad at the same time. For this reason I am somewhat worried that my own two most experimental compositions have crept up over 1 Kviews (“Jupiter”, after seven years) and 0.75 Kviews (“Halloween Theme” / “Something Pretty This Way Comes” morph), respectively, in first draft (uncompleted) forms. I am worried these pieces thus may be too popular. ;-)
My comment is not about those viewing statistics at all but rather how we generally learn to appreciate art and how we are exposed to it. As an offshoot of the change in the music industry from 1960s to 1980s when things became ultra-commercial oriented rather than art-oriented, and now since the 2000s when we have entered the free sharing and social media era, for good and bad as well, I think we tend to under-appreciate how important it is to actively study and keep your mind open to new and old forms of music and art.
I’m a big fan recent quad-Grammy winner Billie Eilish, also a talented co-composer with her brother Finnean but not in the realm of Zappa nor Varése; apples an oranges. Huge fan of hers, and about an hour ago I ran across an interview in which she said: “I love a challenge …. People are such haters of something that is different ’cuz we’re automatically, like, trained to think anything that’s a little bit not what we’re used to is… is ugly; is, like, unnatural, whatever.”[1] It’s hard to accurately transcribe her speech cadences, and admittedly I am quoting her out of context as she’s talking about her preferences in Jordan sneakers and not music. But I think her comment applies equally to music,art in general, but also about how humans develop preferences, both popular and personal, for what and who they like and dislike. Categorical thinking, if you’re familiar with the term from neuroscience and behavioral psychology. If you keep your mind open, Zappa, Varése, Stravinsky, Charles Ives, Steve Reich, Billie Eilish, Gwen Stefani - whatever - are things you can appreciate and enjoy for their outlandishness and subtleties; something I think has been somewhat left by the wayside in the age of soundbites and digital distribution of artistic expression.
Returning to the theme of viewership, I’ll just posit the thought that the video of the nine minute interview of Billie Eilish and the first nine or twelve minutes of this Varése complement each other somewhat if played simultaneously. 18.7 megaviews of Eilish’s sneaker video which will probably top 20 Mviews by the year mark on March 4, 2020.
[1] Billie Eilish Goes Sneaker Shopping with Complex, posted Mar 4, 2019:
th-cam.com/video/EvdzQdnZPcw/w-d-xo.html&t=200
Internet brought me here , obviously.
So glad he added in the cop car siren sound so you know it's him and not some Varese wannabe.
Stunning! But what is it? A tone poem impression of America?
Contemporary Classical Music at its Finest
just another zappa fan..
Immediately you can hear frank Zappa
im a long time Zappa geek..he turned me on to this brilliance :-)
As Pablo Picasso said " i do something,
then someone else comes along and does it 'pretty' !"
Same for Stravinski. We can do without pretty much everyone else.
I had this playing on speed 2 and didn't noticce lmao
Donald trump brought me here
+John Lemmon frank zappa brought me here
who's Donald Trump? is he a highly prolific rock musician who also dabbled into the classical world and cited Varese as his biggest influence?
Donald Trump thinks Varese is something you carry clothes in
Somfin to eat. A europey snack bar, from Switzerland, Nestlé.
The Moma film about him tomorrow brought me here.
One of my favorites, too. Just ADORE his sirens!!!!
Life brought me here
He damn-well did indeed. Been learnin' a lot about the Laurel Canyon scene too.
SAT of all things brought me here
music for wedding parties
Chortling out loud
That's a great image to behold