Thanks for this. Just got a new house and need a mower. Buying the FWD Toro because my neighbor saw me eyeing his Honda mower and put double locks on his shed. He's very un-neighborly.
I lock mine up in the garage simply because it’s super common for people to drive by and snag mowers. Given it’s not easy anymore to get a Honda, it’s best practice to lock up. Not paranoid, just the world we live in
Kudos for reviewing gas mowers. The prices on these things are ridiculous! The puzzling exit of Honda from lawn and garden no doubt gives Toro an edge using Briggs. Maybe we can get some sanity back in the EPA regulators enforcing NetZero cult adherence.
I bought the SCAG 21 inch pushmower with the 5HP Kohler engine. SCAG also makes a 7HP version. I think last year was the first year SCAG made a 21 inch mower, they've had the 30 inch out for about 5 to 7 years. For what little I use a push mower in my mowing service, it's a damn good mower.
I agree. We have a 2011 Recycler 20333 that went through a couple years of neglect. It used to be my father's. I cleaned it up and do regular maintenance on it now, and it has been a solid mower.
If you want to see and use the best made mower on the market, you'd have to look at the SNAPPER brand. 190 cc Briggs & Stratton engine. Rear wheel drive using a friction disk (like a snowblower), manual select lever speed control (not like the silly "personnel pace" system of TORO), lever control engine speed control, mulch, bag, side discharge. Also can come with electric start. If taken care of, they will last a lifetime, mine is well over 20 years old and look and runs like new. Once tried you'll never want another brand. Also made in Wisconsin, USA.
I brought a 42 inch Troy Bilt lawn tractor off of Facebook marketplace for $700. It was freshly service with new blades. I think this is a way better deal that these push mowers that go for $350 without self propelled and close to $600 with self propelled just for it to bog down in somewhat tall grass.
It seems we get fewer and fewer gas models as time goes by. I somewhat understand the appeal of an electric mower but the reality of an electric mower is also pretty clear: you will be dropping $200 to $300 every 3 to 5 years on a new battery. That's no small thing when considering the lifetime cost of a lawnmower.
Just found a brand new Honda HRN216VYA in town. $899 at Home Depot; I got it for $650. I've got two newer walk behinds, one Honda and one with a Honda engine, so I'll store it.
As for most of my lawn I use a riding mower (Nearly 2 acres of yard), I only ever used a push mower for trim work and as such I had always just bought the cheapest 20" side discharge mower I could find. The last one was a 20" Murray 3.5hp with a Briggs Classic I bought in 2000 for $99.00 at Walmart. I used it for 23 years until the deck finally gave out on it (engine still works fine). I had considered a Bolens from Lowe's to replace it with, but they were out of stock for most of last year so instead I bought a Stihl FS 56 RC-E string trimmer from my local Ace and changed the head from the bump-n-feed type to an auto feed (Stihl Supercut 20-2) as I tend to accidently bump the ground more than I should and the auto feed doesn't care if I hit the ground, lol.
@@GarageGear Probably Lowes has regional distribution centers, all with some differences in stocking inventory due to local preferences or availability.
At my local Home Depot they still sell the Honda Mowers and have them in stock! I don’t need a new mower I’m gonna keep my John Deere mower running for a long time. Built much better than todays junk.
I would recommend to anyone looking for a new mower to grab one of those Hondas. Even if they have the recall from last year with the can shaft issue. I would fill out the warranty paperwork and use that bad boy until it dies 30 years down the road!
Thanks. It seems that quality has been slipping to say the least. I'm not a fan of FWD. I'd rather have an actual "push" mower over FWD. They seem to wander when trying to maintain a straight line, and they're terrible going up hills. Or at least the ones I have tried are. I'm glad we picked up a Honda HRX217HYA last year. That and the old John Deere JX75 have been good mowers.
Very disappointed with the lineup at lowes for push mowers I remember you used to have husqvarna, Troy built, bolens, Honda.. my first push mower I used when I was a kid was a early 2000s Bolens that we got for 90 dollars those mowers today under the craftsman name are crazy priced 270 dollars for that?!
Craftsman, Bolens, Troy Bilt are all the same - they’re made by MTD. The Husqvarna walk behinds were garbage. Honda got out of the business altogether.
Great overview, thanks for all your insight. I am in the market for a new push mower, I have been having such a battle with myself regarding the Toro Timemaster vs a Super Recycler. I have watched your reviews a number of times and still can't decide. I am not the most handy with fixing things and that's what scares me the most about the Timemaster. Do you think the Super Recycler is a better option then? Appreciate your videos. Your neighbor to the East (Rochester).
Why is it that no matter what Lawn mover that is reviewed, every single one has negative issues with them. For this reason it is very difficult to decide on one or the other. It's like pick the best of the worst.
Honda hrx217 is the best walk behind mower get 1 while you can because Honda is getting out the lawn mower business. Just change your oil and air filter should last 20 years plus. I know because I use these mowers commercial where I can't use my Walker riding mower.
Don't buy any of them. Head on over to Home depot RIGHT NOW and get hundreds of bucks off a Honda mower. You'll never need to buy another one in your whole life.
Honda is not making lawnmowers anymore in the US. So their will definitely be incentives to get rid of the last ones. Just get 1 trust me you won't regret it.
I think the right solution is to find someone locally who buys & flips used mowers, and buy something a few years old. Plus, you'll have someone who can work on it, and show you how to use it.
We bought Toro last year old its and, other day it stop running I want to check the key under the flywheel and its good but nut loose turn nut came loose on the flywheel tightly nut it back up start it up she was ready to go it was probably made on a Friday everybody's in a rush to get out of work thank you for the video
The damage that happens is from how the get moved around. The are Cramped. They are moved from the manufacturer to the distribution centers to the store by a machine that squeezes the boxes to move them.. Can move depending on the model of mower, 6 or more at one time.
Operator error with backing up with the personal pace Toro. It only took me twenty minutes of mowing to learn what the cause was and made a small adjustment and have never had an issue since.
I’m going to buy the 2023 honda and roll the dice. dual cutting blades. Ariens razor looks good as well….but briggs isn’t what it used to be and planned obsolescence with their mowers, snowblowers is a problem in terms of parts. But when you do use the razor… compare it to your neighbors honda. Thank you for all your videos.
Good video, JB! Nice of the folks at Lowe's to let you film in the store. Gonna hit Home Depot next? Also, I'm still stuck in the days of engine power being measured by HP. This CC thing requires too much math for me... :P
Thanks Mace! Only one employee said something and once I told him what I was doing he was like “okay!” Home Depot is most likely next. We’ll see how they are. Me too my friend! HP was much easier to determine power back in the day. I wonder if this video will hurt their battery sales.
Chances are if its being sold at a Big Box store its seriously flawed. I learned this the hard way 4 years ago. The best mowers are not sold at Lowes or Home Depot. And yeah....Lowes.....the surveillance screens all over the place are cringy and the main reason why I skip Lowes all together.
I'm in the market for a mower. My powerstart lasted 1.5 years. Terrible. I don't plan to get these Toro because they don't have side discharge. I'm currently between Troy Bilt or a GreenWorks 80v.
Best mower is the Honda HRX217 second is the Toro Super Recycler in my 55 years of mowing and I’ve used about all the name brands over the years. The Honda has given me the second best cut ever and it’s my go to because of the ability to mulch. The best ever cut was my commercial Snaper walk behind but their plug you had to add for mulching was horrible.
Great content! I just bought one of those Toro Recycler Max 22-in. So far I'm really happy with it. Haven't had any issues with pulling it backwards. I do wish it had a little more vacuum power - not as strong as my 12yo Husqvarna AWD was. I was sad to let that one go, but no more parts. I wanted the Super Recycler, but couldn't bring myself to spend $800 on it.
I should listen to my wife more. She does almost all of the shopping, and she's always telling me how expensive things are. Looking at those mowers in your video, and the prices, I now believe her. Great video though.
I’m hesitant with another Honda as I have a Honda one 4 or 5 years old and the self propel doesn’t work anymore. It was repaired once under warranty and that lasted another season, the wheels spin when it’s up but not nearly enough torque to move on the ground through the grass. So idk I’m between the 550 dollar dewalt 163 cc and the Honda 170cc
@@GarageGear I was very close. There’s a 50 dollar difference between them. The dewalt has some plastic on the build at the front and rear of the deck which was the only thing I didn’t like, but it has the bigger wheels in the back and the Briggs and Stratton motor. I ended up getting the dewalt, Honda probably would have been fine too, I just can’t get over the self propel system breaking on it twice, makes me feel like maybe it’s a design issue or somthing. Granted it’s 4 years old. I cut the overgrown back yard and the front yesterday worked great. Very fast which is what I wanted. Also has a side discharge which the Honda didn’t have. Wish I could upload a pic to show you
What I've noticed is the gas powered have gone way up in price and the cordless have gone down in price. The gas powered are illegal to sell in California and I think that will apply to all states eventually.
Wouldn’t the proper answer be none of them? Buy from a local dealership. They set it up, service it out, and provide support. Does Lowe’s or any other box store?
Another great video JB! With Honda not in the lawn and garden picture anymore, unfortunately, I think the other brands are the benefactor. I’m not a fan of the Toro personal pace drive system. In my opinion. You put away the snowblower for the season yet? Have a great weekend bud!
The John Deere blower is still on the tractor. At least for a few weeks yet. The Troy-Bilt (the beast) was never used so will run out the gas, spray it down and put her to bed. What's going on this weekend? Cheers my friend.
@@jaybooth4815 got it! Crazy we didn’t use our equipment that much this season! Maybe next year! Just editing all day today. Might as well since it’s snowing. Enjoy your day my friend!
SCAG, Ferris, Ex-Mark, and Wright are four brands that outperform all the other names you listed, with the exception of Toro, which is also owned by Ex-MK. Now a part of me wants to suggest Cub Cadet or Deere to your viewers. But I will wait until they start making a great push-mower - CC has one but they are not consistent with them - like other brands.
I have never bought a new mower. I buy good used troybit or Bolans push mower. I have had little trouble with both mowers and I do my own repairs on them for little cost and the parts are low cost.
The best gas mowers I’ve worked on are the John Deere with the aluminum deck and Kawasaki engine. The Ariens brand mowers, and Honda lawn mowers. Everything you mentioned at Lowes except the mower with the aluminum deck is throw away junk.
There was a stop sale on them later in the season. That have some repair recalls on them. You’ll hear about those once I get mine opened! 👍 have an awesome weekend bud!
We have 3 at our Lowe's, the same 2 craftsman you showed and a fwd self propelled version of the 140cc craftsman. Terrible selection, our home depot still has some Honda mower's. Home Depot video next?
I've had 3 craftsman gas mowers in the past and the one I got from lows had a oil leak and it burned up the engine so it was junk the other 2 I got from sears and the one I had the hole engine was lose
Basically, all walk behinds except for Honda, which are no longer made, are garbage. It truly is sad that there isnt a quality american made and owned option. Seems like there is a market for a new product...
Not to bash the big box stores but the quality on all those mowers are problematic. I think this is one of the reasons Husqvarna pulled out & went the dealer route.
I have a 7.25 Briggs Quantum on one of those craftsman precision style decks and that cuts shockingly well but never had a problem with clumping or mulching. I have done a few things to it and also put on a better blade so maybe that will make a difference. Would highly suggest rust proofing in some way out of the box… metal is very thin on those decks as well.
I have a new Toro lithium, it sucks, wheels fall off in 2nd hour, battery shorts, and on-line Toro will not take it back! They do not take back. Their rear left geared wheel unbolts itself from the bracket, it self destructs! Their repair dealer literally told me "with Toro, its Buyer Beware". I have a Toro case number, a BBB case number, and a US Consumer Product Safetry Commission number. Save yourself and learn from my mistake, and stay away from Toro.
I’ve seen a few videos already on the Ariens Razor having the same issues with locked wheels like the super recycler. It had other design flaws as well.. like cheap quality height adjustment lever that snaps out easily while mowing. Can’t wait to see your review JB!
I miss when Husqvarna made Craftsman mowers, look at how cheaply made they’ve become now…just wow. Had one for a minute and it the quality was comparable to a plastic toy and it felt like a toy. Got rid of that and bought two of those 22inch fwd Craftsman’s from 2007 with the actual big rear wheels, the “big” rear wheels they put on those mowers nowadays are a joke. These prices are a just as much of a joke, almost $400 for a cheap basic push mower? Are they serious? I bought a 22inch Craftsman with fwd fully loaded in 2012 for $275. Unbelievable. Not a fan of these new OHV engines either they’re forcing on everyone who wants gas. Awesome video and sense as well!!
Front wheel drive sucks on hilly terrain. I hope my Honda runs forever. I feel for those shopping for a new mower. Come on Honda, start making for the USA again.
I don’t know why the personal pace system has gotten so bad on these mowers, I actually tried out one of these new ones and I was shocked at how bad they were. My 2005 Toro personal pace backs up without issue but this feels like trying to drag a sled filled with bricks when you try pulling it back. Another thing is that it just feels flimsy, the parts rattle and squeak when the mower runs and it only makes the experience worse.
Hey BCSERK they have cut a lot of corners. The super recycler I got was made in Mexico. We are a long way away from an American made toro. Glad I sold mine last year! I’ll keep my 2004 commercial 21! Have a good weekend bud!
@@GarageGear Did you take a loss when you sold it? I mean it was brand new… asking cause I might sell mine after only 3 uses end of last season. Which model Honda would you go for if you could? I’d like to see if any are still available in my area. Thanks JB
@@apexiumim2741 if you can knab an hrx you’ll be good for a long time! I sold the toro for $575! Paid $700 for it. I make my money back on the TH-cam views so I’m not worried about it. Sold really fast in like 3 days.
@@GarageGear Found some Hondas for sale brand new… but over $2300 CDN!!!! Ya, that’s not happening 😂😂 I’ll use my new toro ($1100 cdn) this season and see how it goes while watching the razor reviews you’ll be pumping out. 💪💪
i bought a New out of the box toro 21564 and can't get the electric start to work. the battery is fully charged,get nothing when i push the start button down. any ideas of what it could be and how to check it out?
You are right on the craftsman for sure i was mowing a over grown yard and the main reason why it stalked out was because it didn't mulch it but that was the first time that has happened in 5 years and like you said if i had the bag it wouldn't have done that
What are your thoughts on the Stihl gas models? I wanted something without a steel deck, so Toro, Honda, Exmark and Stihl were the only ones I found. I was going to grab a Honda with the Nexite deck, but since they dropped the lifetime warranty on it it's a pass for me. I want something long lasting as it will likely be the last gas powered one I'll buy.
Hey gord toro and Exmark Commercial mowers are great! I would avoid the homeowner models. Backing up issues. The stihl is good. Want to see how sturdy that single handle bar is though! 👍
Hey my friend! Troy bilt is a sister company of MTD and craftsman. The mowers are identical and re-badged with Troy bilt logos. No difference at all other than the name.
Great video again JB...I actually can't believe I'm watching a lawnmower video when mean while still haven't had any snow!! Lol nothing nowhere near snow blowing material arrrrg....that's only because I've been dyingggggg to try out my new used snowblower I bought in 2023 summer and installed an impeller kit when I discovered your channel...now to be 63degrees on Wednesday....oh well I'm not sure if I wanna modify my lawnmower as it may cause my lawn to die lol 😂😂.. Thanks JB!! For sharing again.. and taking the time to do these videos From "The Round The Outside Guy" from Hamilton Ontario lol
You got it Rob! What a weird season this one was. At least we get an early spring out of this. And soon a solar eclipse lol! I’ll having some fun with my 1971 ariens over the summer stay tuned! 👍
Whers the review for that Ariens? I was looking at buying that model with the dual blade but there's no info on it. how is it?? I had the Toro 21564 and it didn't have enough power to go up my hill alone, and the wheel constantly fell off due to the rough terrain of the back yard. And like you, I HATED how big the personal pace system was on tight turns in the front yard. Hoping the Ariens solves these issues.
@@alissarottingen8486 hey Alissa! They are both owned by the same manufacturer MTD. If you’re interested in both just get the one with the features that work best for you! If you have any more questions let me know. 👍
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Really appreciate the video!
@@nightofld thanks for watching my friend!
Thanks for this. Just got a new house and need a mower. Buying the FWD Toro because my neighbor saw me eyeing his Honda mower and put double locks on his shed. He's very un-neighborly.
Glad this video helped you out Falcon! Thanks for watching!
I lock mine up in the garage simply because it’s super common for people to drive by and snag mowers. Given it’s not easy anymore to get a Honda, it’s best practice to lock up. Not paranoid, just the world we live in
@@mrRoverkane He's sleeping in the shed with his. I feel targeted.
Kudos for reviewing gas mowers. The prices on these things are ridiculous! The puzzling exit of Honda from lawn and garden no doubt gives Toro an edge using Briggs. Maybe we can get some sanity back in the EPA regulators enforcing NetZero cult adherence.
Agreed! The prices are ridiculous! Some sanity back would be nice lol! Thanks for watching gpal!
I bought the SCAG 21 inch pushmower with the 5HP Kohler engine. SCAG also makes a 7HP version.
I think last year was the first year SCAG made a 21 inch mower, they've had the 30 inch out for about 5 to 7 years.
For what little I use a push mower in my mowing service, it's a damn good mower.
@@bobafettfan32 scag knows how to make them!👍
My 2009 Recycler still running strong maintenance is key.
Keep it running my friend! 👍👍
Mine is an 06. Still starts on the first pull. The starter battery is crap. Have not used the electric starter in 15 years.
I agree. We have a 2011 Recycler 20333 that went through a couple years of neglect. It used to be my father's. I cleaned it up and do regular maintenance on it now, and it has been a solid mower.
If you want to see and use the best made mower on the market, you'd have to look at the SNAPPER brand. 190 cc Briggs & Stratton engine.
Rear wheel drive using a friction disk (like a snowblower), manual select lever speed control (not like the silly "personnel pace" system of TORO), lever control engine speed control, mulch, bag, side discharge. Also can come with electric start.
If taken care of, they will last a lifetime, mine is well over 20 years old and look and runs like new.
Once tried you'll never want another brand.
Also made in Wisconsin, USA.
I’ll have to give it a look! Got a model number? Thanks for sharing!
@@GarageGear 7800980B for the Hi-Vac one. There’s also a ninja one without the vac 7800981B
Saw a $50 Jacobsen 2 cycle mower (needs work) & a $200 identical slightly newer one running on marketplace… Syracuse & Camillus
Thanks for sharing twocycle!
1st mods after purchase:
Quality engine oil
Ceramic coat
And that bicycle tyre hack where you nail it in the lawnmower wheel
RIGHT ON Carlos! Have an awesome weekend bud! 👍
A Saturday morning tradition....Garage Gear and Chill ☕
Haha it’s as close to Saturday morning cartoons as we can get right?!!! lol thanks for being a cool fan!
I brought a 42 inch Troy Bilt lawn tractor off of Facebook marketplace for $700. It was freshly service with new blades. I think this is a way better deal that these push mowers that go for $350 without self propelled and close to $600 with self propelled just for it to bog down in somewhat tall grass.
The old stuff is far better than what’s out nowadays!
It seems we get fewer and fewer gas models as time goes by. I somewhat understand the appeal of an electric mower but the reality of an electric mower is also pretty clear: you will be dropping $200 to $300 every 3 to 5 years on a new battery. That's no small thing when considering the lifetime cost of a lawnmower.
That’s why stores want to sell them. You keep coming back to spend big bucks!
@@GarageGear Agreed. It makes sense from that perspective for both the stores and for the companies that make them, such as Ego.
Still use my Honda after 7 years. Hope to have it for at least another 5 years. I will be researching for the best mulching mower until then.
Thanks for sharing!
Just found a brand new Honda HRN216VYA in town. $899 at Home Depot; I got it for $650. I've got two newer walk behinds, one Honda and one with a Honda engine, so I'll store it.
You’re not alone! Hearing a lot of people are doing this nowadays
As for most of my lawn I use a riding mower (Nearly 2 acres of yard), I only ever used a push mower for trim work and as such I had always just bought the cheapest 20" side discharge mower I could find. The last one was a 20" Murray 3.5hp with a Briggs Classic I bought in 2000 for $99.00 at Walmart. I used it for 23 years until the deck finally gave out on it (engine still works fine). I had considered a Bolens from Lowe's to replace it with, but they were out of stock for most of last year so instead I bought a Stihl FS 56 RC-E string trimmer from my local Ace and changed the head from the bump-n-feed type to an auto feed (Stihl Supercut 20-2) as I tend to accidently bump the ground more than I should and the auto feed doesn't care if I hit the ground, lol.
Those older mowers can really last! Thanks for sharing rebel!
I just bought a Craftsman M220 fwd 150 cc from Lowes today, on sale for $299. I guess their stock varies regionally, I’m in West Texas.
Every store might be a little different. Thanks for sharing
@@GarageGear Probably Lowes has regional distribution centers, all with some differences in stocking inventory due to local preferences or availability.
At my local Home Depot they still sell the Honda Mowers and have them in stock! I don’t need a new mower I’m gonna keep my John Deere mower running for a long time. Built much better than todays junk.
I would recommend to anyone looking for a new mower to grab one of those Hondas. Even if they have the recall from last year with the can shaft issue. I would fill out the warranty paperwork and use that bad boy until it dies 30 years down the road!
Thanks. It seems that quality has been slipping to say the least. I'm not a fan of FWD. I'd rather have an actual "push" mower over FWD. They seem to wander when trying to maintain a straight line, and they're terrible going up hills. Or at least the ones I have tried are. I'm glad we picked up a Honda HRX217HYA last year. That and the old John Deere JX75 have been good mowers.
Those old Deeres are the best! Thanks for sharing cw!
Very disappointed with the lineup at lowes for push mowers I remember you used to have husqvarna, Troy built, bolens, Honda.. my first push mower I used when I was a kid was a early 2000s Bolens that we got for 90 dollars those mowers today under the craftsman name are crazy priced 270 dollars for that?!
Pretty wild isn’t it? Quality is way down for what you get!
Craftsman, Bolens, Troy Bilt are all the same - they’re made by MTD. The Husqvarna walk behinds were garbage. Honda got out of the business altogether.
Great overview, thanks for all your insight. I am in the market for a new push mower, I have been having such a battle with myself regarding the Toro Timemaster vs a Super Recycler. I have watched your reviews a number of times and still can't decide. I am not the most handy with fixing things and that's what scares me the most about the Timemaster. Do you think the Super Recycler is a better option then? Appreciate your videos. Your neighbor to the East (Rochester).
Hey bwallen! I would go with the super recycler over the timemaster. If you’re not handy that mower will be a nightmare.! Enjoy the mower my friend!
Why is it that no matter what Lawn mover that is reviewed, every single one has negative issues with them. For this reason it is very difficult to decide on one or the other. It's like pick the best of the worst.
No mower is perfect powerflex. If you go up to a commercial walk behind mower you’ll find less issues and more durable units!
@@GarageGear yes that is true but you'll probably be paying well over a grand for it though, which is beyond the price range of most homeowners.
@@powerflex500 yep it’s the way of the world nowadays
Honda hrx217 is the best walk behind mower get 1 while you can because Honda is getting out the lawn mower business. Just change your oil and air filter should last 20 years plus. I know because I use these mowers commercial where I can't use my Walker riding mower.
Go with Honda and don't even bother with the rest. You'll be glad you did!
Don't buy any of them. Head on over to Home depot RIGHT NOW and get hundreds of bucks off a Honda mower. You'll never need to buy another one in your whole life.
Hahah good plan! 👍
How come ?? And what do I need to do to get some money off a Honda mower
Honda is not making lawnmowers anymore in the US. So their will definitely be incentives to get rid of the last ones. Just get 1 trust me you won't regret it.
Those Honda mowers already have a slew of issues
I think the right solution is to find someone locally who buys & flips used mowers, and buy something a few years old. Plus, you'll have someone who can work on it, and show you how to use it.
Good point gearhead! 👍
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Thanks for sharing amk!
We bought Toro last year old its and, other day it stop running I want to check the key under the flywheel and its good but nut loose turn nut came loose on the flywheel tightly nut it back up start it up she was ready to go it was probably made on a Friday everybody's in a rush to get out of work thank you for the video
Interesting situation! Thanks for sharing
The damage that happens is from how the get moved around.
The are Cramped.
They are moved from the manufacturer to the distribution centers to the store by a machine that squeezes the boxes to move them..
Can move depending on the model of mower, 6 or more at one time.
Thanks for sharing this Glen! Good for everyone to know!
Operator error with backing up with the personal pace Toro. It only took me twenty minutes of mowing to learn what the cause was and made a small adjustment and have never had an issue since.
Perhaps you should watch this video WHY DOES MY TORO SUPER RECYCLER 21564 NOT BACK UP?
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I’m going to buy the 2023 honda and roll the dice. dual cutting blades. Ariens razor looks good as well….but briggs isn’t what it used to be and planned obsolescence with their mowers, snowblowers is a problem in terms of parts. But when you do use the razor… compare it to your neighbors honda. Thank you for all your videos.
You got it my friend!
Anything with a Honda engine. Engine size and self propelled depends on yard size.
Thanks for sharing Chet!
As of Jan 1, of this year (2024) no gas engine mowers may be bought in CA. I wonder if they get around that by selling what is still in stock?
Perhaps that’s how it goes
Good video, JB! Nice of the folks at Lowe's to let you film in the store. Gonna hit Home Depot next?
Also, I'm still stuck in the days of engine power being measured by HP. This CC thing requires too much math for me... :P
Thanks Mace! Only one employee said something and once I told him what I was doing he was like “okay!” Home Depot is most likely next. We’ll see how they are. Me too my friend! HP was much easier to determine power back in the day. I wonder if this video will hurt their battery sales.
TBWC23, Craftsman M350, Cub Cadet SC900
All are great mowers.
@@gravelewok8284 thanks for sharing
Chances are if its being sold at a Big Box store its seriously flawed. I learned this the hard way 4 years ago. The best mowers are not sold at Lowes or Home Depot.
And yeah....Lowes.....the surveillance screens all over the place are cringy and the main reason why I skip Lowes all together.
Not a huge fan of them either . Thanks for watching SV
I'm in the market for a mower. My powerstart lasted 1.5 years. Terrible. I don't plan to get these Toro because they don't have side discharge. I'm currently between Troy Bilt or a GreenWorks 80v.
@@007NateNasty hey Nate! I would lean toward the Troy bilt. In a few years when you need new batteries you’re not gonna be happy with the price.
Best mower is the Honda HRX217 second is the Toro Super Recycler in my 55 years of mowing and I’ve used about all the name brands over the years. The Honda has given me the second best cut ever and it’s my go to because of the ability to mulch. The best ever cut was my commercial Snaper walk behind but their plug you had to add for mulching was horrible.
Every mower has their up and downs but I agree the Honda is a great mower! 👍
Im not opposed to hd or lowes i just need a good mower thats gas . Really not sure what to choose
Snag a Honda! Can’t go wrong with
@@GarageGear is it the same one you have ?
Is there any diff between super recycler vs recycler Max?? I’m tryna get a new lawn mower for my business
@@h20pascual49 super recyclers have an aluminum deck. Recyclers have a steel deck!
I went from snapper 21, to toro 30”, to walker c19 42”.
Thanks for sharing
ICE options are quickly dwindling.
Crazy world we’re in nowadays
Hondas are so good that I picked up one with a seized engine, fixed it and now it works like a dream.
Right On Kanye! 👍
Great content! I just bought one of those Toro Recycler Max 22-in. So far I'm really happy with it. Haven't had any issues with pulling it backwards. I do wish it had a little more vacuum power - not as strong as my 12yo Husqvarna AWD was. I was sad to let that one go, but no more parts. I wanted the Super Recycler, but couldn't bring myself to spend $800 on it.
@@kylemay6043 hey Kyle ! Appreciate the feedback on the max! Be happy you didn’t get that Super recycler! 👍
I own a cub cadet push mower it is self propelled a great mower I would buy one of them
Thanks for sharing my friend
I should listen to my wife more. She does almost all of the shopping, and she's always telling me how expensive things are. Looking at those mowers in your video, and the prices, I now believe her. Great video though.
Several years ago the cheapest mower on the shelf was about $150 now it’s like double that. Crazy! Thanks for watching Jay!
😂😂 what? Pretty easy to look around and see price increases
@@mrRoverkane crazy right?!!
I’m hesitant with another Honda as I have a Honda one 4 or 5 years old and the self propel doesn’t work anymore. It was repaired once under warranty and that lasted another season, the wheels spin when it’s up but not nearly enough torque to move on the ground through the grass. So idk I’m between the 550 dollar dewalt 163 cc and the Honda 170cc
Hey Steve! Dewalt hasn’t been in the lawn mower game that long. I would still be looking at that Honda!
@@GarageGear I was very close. There’s a 50 dollar difference between them. The dewalt has some plastic on the build at the front and rear of the deck which was the only thing I didn’t like, but it has the bigger wheels in the back and the Briggs and Stratton motor. I ended up getting the dewalt, Honda probably would have been fine too, I just can’t get over the self propel system breaking on it twice, makes me feel like maybe it’s a design issue or somthing. Granted it’s 4 years old. I cut the overgrown back yard and the front yesterday worked great. Very fast which is what I wanted. Also has a side discharge which the Honda didn’t have. Wish I could upload a pic to show you
What I've noticed is the gas powered have gone way up in price and the cordless have gone down in price. The gas powered are illegal to sell in California and I think that will apply to all states eventually.
We’ll see! Not a fan of not having a choice
Wouldn’t the proper answer be none of them? Buy from a local dealership. They set it up, service it out, and provide support. Does Lowe’s or any other box store?
Some may not have a dealer nearby. This may be the way to go for some.
And some may not have the cash to go to a dealership But have a lowe's or a home depot credit card.
@@michaeleverett2650 dealerships also offer financing. We do it daily. 😀
Yikes Man! Those all look like nightmares for the midwest. A low deck = a blown engine. Careful in the big box.
These mowers aren’t for everyone lol
Sure wish Honda still made mowers!
Oh yeah! Me too! Shame they’re out!
Love the metal belt cover 4 the 71 Ariens-just clean it up a little @ some paint-good 2 go!
Oh yeah! Full makeover coming this summer! Stay tuned bud
Very informative, timely just before spring. Love the heel click there...LOL
Gotta have a little fun at Lowe’s! Thanks for watching starview!
So pissed that Honda left the lawnmower game. Best engines, features, reliability, etc., etc.
💯agree!
I’m running a 1979 Honda hr21. It is a flat head Honda engine. I have been scarfing parts on eBay to keep it going.
Keep it going as long as you can! 👍
@@GarageGear I plan on it! BTW I’m local if you want it for content as a history lesson.
@@kgm5512 that is awesome! This could be a possibility! Email me a pic when you have a moment! My email is in the video description!
@@GarageGear ok it’s a jalopy but still has some charisma. I’ll see what I can do tomorrow
Another great video JB! With Honda not in the lawn and garden picture anymore, unfortunately, I think the other brands are the benefactor. I’m not a fan of the Toro personal pace drive system. In my opinion. You put away the snowblower for the season yet? Have a great weekend bud!
Hey Jay! Totally agree my friend! Yep all three are closed up for the season! Video coming soon! You? Enjoy the rest of the weekend!
The John Deere blower is still on the tractor. At least for a few weeks yet. The Troy-Bilt (the beast) was never used so will run out the gas, spray it down and put her to bed. What's going on this weekend? Cheers my friend.
@@jaybooth4815 got it! Crazy we didn’t use our equipment that much this season! Maybe next year! Just editing all day today. Might as well since it’s snowing. Enjoy your day my friend!
SCAG, Ferris, Ex-Mark, and Wright are four brands that outperform all the other names you listed, with the exception of Toro, which is also owned by Ex-MK.
Now a part of me wants to suggest Cub Cadet or Deere to your viewers. But I will wait until they start making a great push-mower - CC has one but they are not consistent with them - like other brands.
Thanks for sharing tears!
I remember when "Snapper" was considered "Top of the line for durability"
They made some great equipment to too long ago. How ya been yale?
I have never bought a new mower. I buy good used troybit or Bolans push mower. I have had little trouble with both mowers and I do my own repairs on them for little cost and the parts are low cost.
Thanks for sharing
Love all your videos but the unboxing ones are my favorite. Thx
Plenty of those coming up! Stay tuned shedder!👍 thanks for being a cool fan!
This is why I bought my HRX before they stopped making them🙌🏻
Get em while they’re hot lol! Great mower!
I am still deciding between a E go that’s with that amazing deal right now. Or just go with a Honda HRN216.. leaning towards the Honda.
You know deep down that Honda will outlived that ego. Can’t go wrong with it! 👍
@GarageGear totally went with honda. And immediately did the dirty 30. So it's all ready. Thanks for the tips and videos.
@@douglaskeller7950 ROCK ON doug!
Got to have some cereal from the "71" Ariens wheel!
Hahaha those ones have holes in the wheels for mounting kinda like a car wheel. Not gonna be so easy. Lol
All of those mowers have smaller engines than my 200cc Honda. Hope this Honda never breaks
Keep it running as long as you can! 👍
I always get my equipment at a dealer. The dealer will have more engine options and better prices.
Did you have the recall work done on that GCV200? Honda recalled them last year due to an issue with the camshaft.
This week I saw Home Depot web site has three Honda models listed for sale. Either recall fixed or not included in the recall is my guess.
The best gas mowers I’ve worked on are the John Deere with the aluminum deck and Kawasaki engine. The Ariens brand mowers, and Honda lawn mowers. Everything you mentioned at Lowes except the mower with the aluminum deck is throw away junk.
Interesting there wasn't any of the Ariens Razor mowers there. Lowes stocked them in store last season.
There was a stop sale on them later in the season. That have some repair recalls on them. You’ll hear about those once I get mine opened! 👍 have an awesome weekend bud!
We have 3 at our Lowe's, the same 2 craftsman you showed and a fwd self propelled version of the 140cc craftsman. Terrible selection, our home depot still has some Honda mower's. Home Depot video next?
Already on it! Thanks for sharing Angelica! 👍👍
They are out of their minds with these prices.
I’d get a goat before I’d pay that much for a lousy ass push mower. 😂
Hahaha probably could get two or three! And profit off of the goat milk! lol! What’s up for the weekend bud?
I've had 3 craftsman gas mowers in the past and the one I got from lows had a oil leak and it burned up the engine so it was junk the other 2 I got from sears and the one I had the hole engine was lose
Thanks for sharing my friend!
great video JB, when are you coming out with your servicing your snow blower after the winter? can't wait
Hey smitty this week or next it will be out. 👍
Yardmax !! It will mow your grass to the max.
It sure does lol! 👍
Basically, all walk behinds except for Honda, which are no longer made, are garbage.
It truly is sad that there isnt a quality american made and owned option.
Seems like there is a market for a new product...
@@jameszclark I wish there was an American made mower option as well. This needs to change and fast
Not to bash the big box stores but the quality on all those mowers are problematic. I think this is one of the reasons Husqvarna pulled out & went the dealer route.
Quality is down on a lot of newer equipment! Seems the only way to get anything decent is to go commercial nowadays
I have a 7.25 Briggs Quantum on one of those craftsman precision style decks and that cuts shockingly well but never had a problem with clumping or mulching. I have done a few things to it and also put on a better blade so maybe that will make a difference.
Would highly suggest rust proofing in some way out of the box… metal is very thin on those decks as well.
Thanks for sharing Mike!
I have a new Toro lithium, it sucks, wheels fall off in 2nd hour, battery shorts, and on-line Toro will not take it back! They do not take back. Their rear left geared wheel unbolts itself from the bracket, it self destructs! Their repair dealer literally told me "with Toro, its Buyer Beware". I have a Toro case number, a BBB case number, and a US Consumer Product Safetry Commission number. Save yourself and learn from my mistake, and stay away from Toro.
@@dougpence3862 thanks for sharing Doug!
I’ve seen a few videos already on the Ariens Razor having the same issues with locked wheels like the super recycler. It had other design flaws as well.. like cheap quality height adjustment lever that snaps out easily while mowing.
Can’t wait to see your review JB!
Seems like we’ll have plenty to talk about in upcoming videos Apex! We’ll be looking at everything! 👍have a good weekend bud!
I miss when Husqvarna made Craftsman mowers, look at how cheaply made they’ve become now…just wow. Had one for a minute and it the quality was comparable to a plastic toy and it felt like a toy. Got rid of that and bought two of those 22inch fwd Craftsman’s from 2007 with the actual big rear wheels, the “big” rear wheels they put on those mowers nowadays are a joke. These prices are a just as much of a joke, almost $400 for a cheap basic push mower? Are they serious? I bought a 22inch Craftsman with fwd fully loaded in 2012 for $275. Unbelievable. Not a fan of these new OHV engines either they’re forcing on everyone who wants gas. Awesome video and sense as well!!
Hey golden! Not a fan of things nowadays as well. Only way to get a good mower today is to go commercial! Thanks for watching my friend!
@@GarageGear you are absolutely right!! Your welcome!
Front wheel drive sucks on hilly terrain. I hope my Honda runs forever. I feel for those shopping for a new mower. Come on Honda, start making for the USA again.
I agree Dave! Wish Honda would make a come back !
I don’t know why the personal pace system has gotten so bad on these mowers, I actually tried out one of these new ones and I was shocked at how bad they were. My 2005 Toro personal pace backs up without issue but this feels like trying to drag a sled filled with bricks when you try pulling it back. Another thing is that it just feels flimsy, the parts rattle and squeak when the mower runs and it only makes the experience worse.
Hey BCSERK they have cut a lot of corners. The super recycler I got was made in Mexico. We are a long way away from an American made toro. Glad I sold mine last year! I’ll keep my 2004 commercial 21! Have a good weekend bud!
@@GarageGear
Did you take a loss when you sold it? I mean it was brand new… asking cause I might sell mine after only 3 uses end of last season.
Which model Honda would you go for if you could? I’d like to see if any are still available in my area.
Thanks JB
@@apexiumim2741 if you can knab an hrx you’ll be good for a long time! I sold the toro for $575! Paid $700 for it. I make my money back on the TH-cam views so I’m not worried about it. Sold really fast in like 3 days.
@@GarageGear
Found some Hondas for sale brand new… but over $2300 CDN!!!! Ya, that’s not happening 😂😂
I’ll use my new toro ($1100 cdn) this season and see how it goes while watching the razor reviews you’ll be pumping out. 💪💪
@@apexiumim2741 that is pretty crazy! They’ll be coming up shortly! Stay tuned bud!
I hope I'm a couple years out from making this decision! LOL
I would say so. You take care of your stuff! Enjoy your week flint!
Is the self-propelled belt driven on any of these mowers?
Belts are used on all of these and just about every gas powered mower
i bought a New out of the box toro 21564 and can't get the electric start to work. the battery is fully charged,get nothing when i push the start button down. any ideas of what it could be and how to check it out?
Hey Roger ! I’m not a master electrician so I do t have an answer for that lol but I would recommend getting it into a shop before they get busy. 👍
You are right on the craftsman for sure i was mowing a over grown yard and the main reason why it stalked out was because it didn't mulch it but that was the first time that has happened in 5 years and like you said if i had the bag it wouldn't have done that
Thanks for watching Nathan!
Where’s the best place to buy a lawn mower? And 😅what brand is best? Honda, toro or craftsman?
I’m a Honda fan. But they are done making mowers as of last September. HD has a few remaining.
Okay thank you!
Thanks for this video JB. Have a wonderful and blessed weekend 👍🙏👍🙏
Thanks Ray! Trying to give those spring shoppers a hand. You have an awesome weekend too with your family bud! 👍
Could you also review riding one too?
Hey mark riders really aren’t my thing but I do have some info on them
Great information. Thanks man!!
You got it Steve! Have an awesome weekend bud!
What are your thoughts on the Stihl gas models? I wanted something without a steel deck, so Toro, Honda, Exmark and Stihl were the only ones I found. I was going to grab a Honda with the Nexite deck, but since they dropped the lifetime warranty on it it's a pass for me. I want something long lasting as it will likely be the last gas powered one I'll buy.
Hey gord toro and Exmark Commercial mowers are great! I would avoid the homeowner models. Backing up issues. The stihl is good. Want to see how sturdy that single handle bar is though! 👍
Do you have Troy-Bilt lawnwowers somewhere? What's your opinion on them?
Hey my friend! Troy bilt is a sister company of MTD and craftsman. The mowers are identical and re-badged with Troy bilt logos. No difference at all other than the name.
Craftsman M220 or Toro 21485? Thank you!
Did you see my last comment my friend?
Looking forward to your Arien mower review 👍👍
Hey dgoode! She’s coming soon! Stay tuned!
Great video again JB...I actually can't believe I'm watching a lawnmower video when mean while still haven't had any snow!! Lol nothing nowhere near snow blowing material arrrrg....that's only because I've been dyingggggg to try out my new used snowblower I bought in 2023 summer and installed an impeller kit when I discovered your channel...now to be 63degrees on Wednesday....oh well I'm not sure if I wanna modify my lawnmower as it may cause my lawn to die lol 😂😂..
Thanks JB!! For sharing again.. and taking the time to do these videos
From "The Round The Outside Guy" from Hamilton Ontario lol
You got it Rob! What a weird season this one was. At least we get an early spring out of this. And soon a solar eclipse lol! I’ll having some fun with my 1971 ariens over the summer stay tuned! 👍
@@GarageGear looking forward to it 😁
Whers the review for that Ariens? I was looking at buying that model with the dual blade but there's no info on it. how is it?? I had the Toro 21564 and it didn't have enough power to go up my hill alone, and the wheel constantly fell off due to the rough terrain of the back yard. And like you, I HATED how big the personal pace system was on tight turns in the front yard. Hoping the Ariens solves these issues.
Hey psd! The grass is just starting to grow here. The unboxing will be out in a few weeks! Plenty to talk about with that mower!
How good is those B & S motors. I know that some are trash?
They’re okay at best! There are better engines out there but if cared for they will do well.
Would you choose Craftsman over Murray?
@@alissarottingen8486 hey Alissa! They are both owned by the same manufacturer MTD. If you’re interested in both just get the one with the features that work best for you! If you have any more questions let me know. 👍
@@GarageGear Thank you. Just looking for the best budget friendly with the basics. No bagger or self propel necessary.
@@alissarottingen8486 cool! If you have any specific questions let me know. I try to respond to all comments within 24 hours. 👍
It's a Toro but at Lowes. What do you think obout the Recycler Max 163cc 22in? #21485
Haven’t gotten my hands on one yet. Would like to try one out.
What is the Recycler Max by Toro that Lowes sells? Any opinions on this model?
I’ve seen it. It just came out. I have to get more information on it. Stay tuned.
Craftsman died after one year I did get it around Covid
Thanks for sharing
All these mowers today are crap in my opinion. I have my 2004 Toro super recycler aluminum deck RWD still running great. Hope to never replace it!
Have to agree! Older stuff is better!
Rather buy a non running riding mower get it running for the price of a pushmower
Agreed!
Nice review, but when I buy my next Toro it will be from Ace because they put it together for you JB
Good plan Gregory! Thanks for the good info!
JB, was your Honda within the recall? If so, did you get the cam replaced?
Hey mark mine was made in 2020. Well outside of the recall! My Honda has been flawless! Love that thing!
I bought one yesterday at Home Depot after the recall. I also ordered the inductive hour meter and the slick plate.
@@marktennier8238 sounds like you’ll be all set!
Excellent video Brother
Thanks will! Thanks for being a cool fan!
no honda?
Not at lowes! They got a few left at Home Depot!
But they’re all 21 inch, I would like to have a 22 inch.
What they got is what they got. Just spotted a 22 at Home Depot! It’s a Murray
We have been thriving for that extra inch all our lives