When jhope mentions wiggle wiggling jiggle jiggling he’s referring to dance moves. So he’s on the beat dancing because he started as a dancer. So while yes it does sound repetitive they’re not nonsense words. 😂
Oh about the s*xual lyricism, Suga really meant that hahaha. It's not an accident. I think the translation is not that accurate. Here's some info from "doolsetbangtan" that always get deep into the translations: Suga's lyrics: 알다시피 내 목소린 좀 꼴림 As you know, my voice gets them h*rny 남자든 여자든 랩으로 홍콩을 보내는 유연한 내 혀놀림 My flexible tongue movement that makes people reach *rgasm with my rap, men and women alike (To send someone to Hong Kong is a slang that means to make someone feel *rgasm.) For jhope's lyrics "pipi": 모든 언니s call me 삐삐 (bbibbi) All the girls call me, beeper Original Korean lyrics use 언니 (unnie), which is used by females to call/address an older female. It is, however, common that night club barkers (even if they are males) call female customers unnies. The use of unnie thus makes sense here. 삐삐 (bbibbi) is a pager/beeper, so it could be (1) “all the girls, call me, page me.” Or, since bbi- is commonly used as an onomatopoeia of censoring sounds, it could also be (2) “all the girls call me ‘XX’,” where XX is some unknown word.
Pretty sure the "every kick is my freaking zone" is a music production bar because in the lines leading up to it he was talking about the beat. I think he means every kick drum is his zone, meaning he's always in pocket of the beat.
RM and SUGA were underground rappers, before joining BTS. The cyphers are a diss to individuals within the hiphop scene at the time, who slated them for joining the group - they got a lot of slack for it, as you can imagine. These tracks are a big ‘F*** you’ basically. Just because they’re in an idol group doesn’t mean they sold out, and are no longer rappers or lyricists, that’s the point they’re proving - they rap harder if anything.
I think this is where I will always have an issue with his reactions on BTS - he doesn't question the lyrics or jibberish in others music like he does for BTS and I think one main reason is because he takes the lyrics at face value only. we know as army that BTS is known for their lyrical prowess. All the flip flopping between english, korean, and sometimes japanese as well as major rhyming schemes and patterns. And it is all written by born and bred and raised native koreans. using korean slang, korean idioms, korean history, korean culture, korean stories, korean poems, korean characters, etc. - so these "translations" he uses are not even accurate because of their high context value (you really need to have someone that is a born and bred korean do the translations to understand the context) and even though he has repeatedly been told to use doolsetbangtan for the more contextual lyrics - he ignores. So he really tries to westernize the context and lyrics which is frustrating. but i do see he is much more keen to enjoy lyrics written in a manner easy for western translations to pop into a translation app. BTS doesn't write lyrics you can plop into Papago LOL...they are way deeper than that. but either way those little moments he has of realization, makes me still watch... for now.. lol
Hoping he starts looking further into the lyrics. The lyrics are much deeper than he's looking at. You can't look at bts lyrics the same as surface lyrics of other artists.
RM wasn’t Suga’s mentor. Suga was already producing and selling for other artists before BTS and was also underground rapper who used to go by the name Gloss.
RM refers to ‘mumble rap’ (like Future etc or 6ix9ine being loose examples) - when he mentions about rappers only saying ‘two three words’ at a time, his disses are aimed at the hiphop scene (across the western world and Korea) not the idol world, new wave rap at the time. It’s difficult because a lot of these lyric videos get lost in translation, you’ve clocked it a few times, but if you actually digged into the lyrics from genuine sources, you’d get a different impact, it’s a shame. RM uses repetition, the difference is however, the intent behind it - the double meanings, wordplay, and use of onomatopoeia (he was a poet/rapper before BTS) this is what he enjoys, believe me, it’s never without intent.
Exactly, and I think he was also referring to the flow when he said that other rappers just say two or three words meaning that their flow is always the same and quite slow/with a lot of stops in between words
your last take was 100% correct. BTS were supposed to be a rap group which is why their earlier music was heavily hiphop influenced. the cyphers perfectly encompass their growth as artists and their message. keep in mind that suga and rm were underground rappers before joining bighit and looked up to a lot of OG western rappers which influenced their styles and lyrics. suga did not consider rm a mentor but he does consider him a comrade and the rapine learn from each other. jhope originally wasn't a rapper but with help from both rm and suga he developed his own style and lyricism. I understand your dislike to repetitive lyrics but in this case they need to be contextualised within the bar. V has always admired the rap line and takes every chance he gets to perform with them but he is not a rapper (although he is quite decent). also don't dismiss their current music!! they're always trying something new and as you know it is a trial and error industry it just so happens they ventured into pop and ballads and those songs became successful!! I'm sure after the members return we will get another rapline song however I don't think it will be the same as when they were young. back then they had the world on their shoulders and were going through a lot so rightfully they were angry at the world and expressed that in their music. I believe they are healed from all the pain and anger the industry caused them which is why they are releasing music that represents who they are now. thank you for the reaction!! ps. yes!! their future songs reference their older music!! a nod to how far they've come
Here are the rappers individual albums: RM: RM - Mix tape (2015) Mono (2018) Indigo (2022) Right Place, Wrong Person (2024) Suga (aka Agust D): Agust D (2016) D-2 (2020) D-DAY (2023) J-Hope: Hope World (2018) Jack In The Box (2022) Hope on the Street Vol. 1 (2024)
Thank you for this! Because I was like…..what does he mean?! Considering how massive BTS in not just in music but as a business….the rappers have put out a great body of work individually. I don’t think that the members have released many singles that have NOT been a part of an album or mixtape. I am always impressed when they drop albums individually because I can’t comprehend how they even have the time to do so. It’s really impressive the amount of work they put in and not only that, the QUALITY is always there.
I feel like there's SO MUCH content that without a lot of help, casual fans will miss out on a LOT of what's being made. I do agree that if you're reacting to any particular group, you should make sure that you're more on top of what they're putting out... but there are Kpop fans who legit think that BTS members are on full hiatus once Jin entered the military and ONLY seem to know about V, JK and Jimin's release IF that.
Ahh some huge misconception about BTS and especially rap line..., but yeah everyone learn at some point that it isn't fair to pit them in box. 27:17 I can only say that you know too little about BTS to say line like "why they don't rap like that anymore?" One -how do you know it that they don't?, two - they have a lot of different interest, and styles they want to do, so yeah they experiment a lot and they are in industry for like 15 years, there is no way they would still be the same boys now like the boys they were on cyphers. People change and grow with experiences. RM said he dosen't feel this anger anymore like then, he even said that when they performed Cypher 3 in concert in 2022 it was weird for him to rap that agresive, bc he now don't do this style anymore, bc he is different person have different look at the world and art. I mean years gone by, it was like 10 years ago when he rapped this way, of course he changed and found himself in new ways... 27:20 they do realese rap consistent... BTS started as hip hop group, literally they first 4 albums are rap albums and the first 3 cyphers came from this albums, but all albums have rap, and are mostly r&b and edm. BTS started in 2013 and by 2020 they had realesed 15 albums, but between work on BTS albums rappers relesed solo work in 2015 "RM" mixtape in 2016 "Agust D" mixtape, in 2018 Jhope "Hope World" mixtape and RM "mono", in 2020 "D-2" Agust D mixtape, then they started doing solo activites bc od break and in 2022 "Jack in the box" Jhope first full album, then "Indigo" RM first full album, in 2023 "D-day" Agust D first full album, in 2024 "Hope on the street " jhope album and RM "Right place, wrong person" that come out not long ago. This all are rap albums. So how can you say they don't realese, they relese more then some western rappers and still do their job in BTS as part of group. I understand you don't know this, it is ok, but bc you don't know it dosen't mean you can assume and say they give up releseing hip hop. "D-day" album was actually no.1 on US billboard top rap albums in 2023. But what you are saying also is different - freestyle, first you have to like and feel it to freestyle, some people prefer to write lyrics, RM always says he is more of the poet even if he can freestyle he also have preference and it is rap poetry. So we as audience can't really tell they should do this or that bc we like it, they always should do what they feel their art is, what they like and in what form they feel the best in. In a way it is little disrespectful to say "will they do rap when they come from military, they will do pop and ballads..." When they relesed two rap albums literally this year and they simply were not on your radar it dosen't mean they don't exist, they relesed more music in military then some artist active and free... I'm Army many years now and I can say I don't know if they have more then 20 pure ballads and they have over 400 songs, bc theirs songs are always mixed genres, and rappers are rappers they rap no matter what genre of the song is, even if it is more melodic rap in few. Yes they have pop song, bc why not they are 7 so they do style for everyone, but really pure pop songs I don't know if there is more then 10 in BTS discography. There is more now bc of solo work and vocalist have more this style on solo albums. I mean I know you didn't really listen much to them so how can you know, but still you say pop and ballads like it is something bad, and it isn't, they do all genres and they enjoy all, bc they can. When they did their most know pop song they said they had a lot of fun bc one working together is always a fun for them and bc it is simply nice feeling, the songs give simple joy and sometimes it is needed too.
i feel the cyphers especially the first ones had a lot to do with the rap underground scene that disrespected RM & Suga for not continuing staying underground and becoming idols. that they didnt consider RM & Suga hip hop artists anymore . so RM & Suga and J Hope wanted to show them these "idols" can rap the mess out of any rapper out there
Cypher 1: Sep 2013 Cypher 2: Feb2014 Cypher 3: Aug 2014 Cypher 4: Oct 2016 They got unbelievable hate in their early years (still, but now they are too big) and that was their way to cope with it. In the last concert of 2022 in SK they performed Cypher 3 with so much energy, talking probably to the government and SK people toying them with the military service Other thing, RM wasn’t Suga’s mentor. Both were underground rappers before joining BTS BTS music is not pop songs as you always say. It’s tiring. They have few pop songs that became popular being in English, but they do so many genres, most of the time including rap, that is difficult to put them in a box. I think they do a lot of EDM, besides rap. Their last music has songs like Dis-ease (I recommend you that song) or RUN BTS that are mainly rap
It really is so tiring to hear ¬_¬ please listen to more of their B-sides and solo projects (for the rappers specially since he honed in on that) before stating nonsense. I can't even agree or disagree when you don't have the full picture, because to me those comments just come from ignorance. Their English trilogy had a reason to exist when it did, and their title tracks are energetic and/or performance-oriented and a TL;DR for their message- of course they're not going to give you the full picture, nor the full range they have covered. It's a disservice to draw conclusions like that.
omg your knowledge of rap is great but your lack of any info on bts makes part of your reaction quite frustrating. parts of the lyrics that I considered self explanatory, you assume are about something completely different because either you have preconceived notions about them or are comparing them to other groups
@@simphiwentshakala8381 agree on both and that's why I unfollowed ages ago. I just can't watch anymore. but friggin yt algo keeps suggesting it cos views grr
1. They use internal rhymes in english and korean. 2. Suga ABSOLUTELY meant the sexual lyric in Cypher 3 These are not good translations.... Much is lost in translation incl the references 😅 3. These cyphers were done across many years
Oh! Did you react to RM's new album? RPWP. He's rapping and spitting bars better than ever! It's a sensorial journey through RM's mind. When do all those "jiggle jiggle, doom doom", etc, generally are ironically imitating their former underground colleagues who spread a lot of hate because Suga and RM left and became idols. I think you'll like to watch them live! It's a medley during a BTS concert... super energetic! To see V rapping, you have to watch DDang or Daewchita OT7 😅
Los Cyphers salieron en diferentes momentos de su carrera en donde recibían mucho odio y lo canalizaban de esa forma, pero conforme fueron creciendo como personas se dieron cuenta que debían dejar de centrarse en ese odio y amarse a si mismos, por eso le dicen a los haters que se aman a si mismos y dejen tanto odio, BTS creció como artistas y como personas después de todo lo que pasaron en más de 10 años de carrera 💜
If you think that BTS is just "ballads" and "Pop" music... well, you are wrong and that opinion is because you have heard very little about them. Maybe if you listened to the suggestions in the comments, you would see how in their songs they complement Rap, HipHop, with funk, R&B, EDM, even with Rock. Maybe you heard a really "Pop" song and got the idea that all their music sounded like that. In addition, all 3 (well, all 7) have albums outside the group where they express themselves freely, write, compose and produce their own music, and have even gone to festivals, concerts and presentations as soloists. BTS's RapLine is the only one in the K-POP industry that comes from the underground. Many agencies sell their idols as "underground rappers" but the truth is that they are not.
Yo no voy a pagarle Patreon a un weón prejuicioso que no tiene ni una puta idea de Rap. Así que no me interesa lo que publicó. La crítica sobre sus solos, es porque ha escuchado sólo unos cuantos, lo que dice de que BTS hacen baladas y sólo Pop, es un prejuicio e ignorancia absoluta, ha reaccionado a tener de BTS contados con los dedos de 1 mano. Y sobre lo que dice del rap de J-Hope, pues sí, él es bien ignorante, porque si lo conociera sabría que esas palabras concuerdan con la fluidez de sus movimientos al bailar.
💯 i really don't understand this. This guy has been reacting to BTS for ages (I remember him getting into suga earlier on) but still remains wilfully ignorant and biased, even voting against them on MAMA. cash cow I guess 🤷🏻♀️
@giakulasa First, I will say, I love BTS music.. however, if you have watched his videos for a long time, you would know he is far from ignorant. People listen to what their taste is, Teddy has shown appreciation for their work multiple times here and on Patreon. In regard to voting, you dont vote against it. You vote for who you love most. This doesn't mean you dont respect others' work. 🙏🏽💗 Reactors get slammed with requests, though they have lives also and not an everlasting amount of hours in the day to please everyone. The reactions will come in time 😊
No me interesa seguir a un TH-camr que no tiene ni una puta idea de Rap, ni HipHop. Gringas imbéciles, prefieren este tipo de contenido, antes que de priorizar el Stream a BTS.
J hope is basically calling them out just the same why RM calls them out, by showing he can do just the same thing that what they've been doing is nothing special. I love how both J Hope and RM throw it back into their faces by spitting the very same word back at the haters/nansayers who relie on the nonsense words.
I think the reason why they use the english words to rhyme a lot is cuz in korean they use a lot of english words but written in hangeul, the korean alphabet, and because of the korean sentence structure,they come at the end of the sentence. Also in Korea they use a looot of onomatopoeias as actual words in daily conversation and BTS use them in their songs a lot. I was waiting for this reaction for like 2 years hahah!! Thank you 💜
This comment is for ARMYS, not multis. yall be giving this guy likes and views when most of his comments are backhanded compliments. i get multis who dgaf about the tannies but armys cmon man, we don't need validation from people like this... he was so against bts during the MAMA voting he supported another group, wishing for them to stop the "pop hits" when the boys love doing them, saying that RM is a HYPOCRITE, shitting on hobi's lyrics, he doesn't get them. When there are so many genuine reactors who like watching bts and love them, why give attention to this guy? Army, stop justifying shit to him, we don't need to do that explain and justify anything the tannies have done. If he gets it, he gets it. If he doesnt, then he doesnt. He ults another grp anyways, prolly doesn't think that our rapline is as good as theirs. Support reactors who DESERVE our love and support.
So true. Glad I found these comments, I thought I was the only one who thought like this. Reacting (I won't even say listening) to BTS obviously hasn't rubbed off one bit
Actually at 24:29 i think namjoon might be referencing a iconic kpop song rainism by rain a Korean artist in this song the lyrics are " i am gonna be a bad boy " so in reference to this namjoon is saying "i am badder guy then rain " Edit : don't quote me on this it's just my interpretation of it
Just so you know, the tune at the beginning is from BTS’s song DNA. The maker of the video isn’t inserting their own beat; to all ARMYs it’s a familiar hook and is pleasing to hear.
Absolute loved your reaction. Few things I would love if you know. Firstly, the "angry rap" was a huge part of their career initially as you know they were underground rappers and a lot of "hip-hop" artists used to mock them for being idols. RM said in one of his lives that him specifically has become a lot more calmer now you wouldn't hear a lot of angry raps from him now (his new album has great bars do give a listen to it). Secondly, the part where he was talking about repeated verses and all is something very very common in kpop. If you've listen to k-rap the rappers from one company have the same exact bars and the same exact flows and they have never held a pen in their entire life but are just lucky to be from a big company. When I tell you BTS is a huge blessing to kpop i mean it. Kpop is extremely generic and predictable but BTS is an exception. Suga even says in one of his songs that the kpop category is way too small for them. I read somewhere that BTS is a huge advantage to kpop but kpop is a disadvantage to them which is so true. BTS' body of work and artistry cannot even be put side by side with kpop that would be disrespectful for BTS. You should listen to other rapline songs too like Ddaeng, Outro:Tear, Ugh and their solos too.
I feel like you still have little knowledge about bts's backgrounds and korean/k-music culture to be able to correctly interpret the lyrics, but I'm not too mad with what you come up with. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes not but it's okay. Maybe one thing you need to know about their raps is that nothing is unintentional in the lyrics, even the sounds that you might consider meaningless. it would be fun hearing you try to pinpoint the meaning of these sounds.
What do you think the repeated words mean then if not pointless filler. Not saying it is necessarily, but I think some fans need to be reminded that it's okay to acknowledge when something is supposed to be filler instead of trying to assign meaning where it's not there. Like some armys say, "not everything bts does has to be deep." But if you truly think there's more meaning to those repeated words and onomatopoeias It'd be interesting to hear about it.
@@GoldenWreck I am not a Korean so I don’t know for sure. But I think I heard that these words have meanings in the Korean language. Like slangs and gang language. Like pook pook or something like that is an expression used by Korean gangs to mean to stab and then ferment in red blood or something like that. Again I am not Korean I am just stating what I understood from Korean people’s interpretation of these things. So I could be wrong. But At the end of the day it’s nearly impossible to fully interpret these without having knowledge of Korean language and Korean culture. Not just BTS, I think it goes to any Korean song/drama. We will never understand them to the fullest and that’s fine I think.
@@axiomique Yes I think I heard the 'pok pok' expression from one of DKTV's explanation vids, so yes it could be entirely plausible that these words have more meaning in a cultural context. Appreciate your thoughtful response.
@@GoldenWreck while that may be correct sometimes, but as another person commented the jhope, jiggling and wiggling line was to express him dancing on the beat. And because I read manga and manhwa’s I’ve realised they use a lot of repeated “words” as expression of something or a sound of an action etc.
In "Sexy nukim"... Line "I'm doom boy" in context of lyrics he says he is boy that will bring doom, doom like downfall, he says in lyrics that people are fake and flex money and he laughting at them bc he is doom boy, bc no matter what you say you got he has more and he will bring your end....
I am absolutely begging you to react to the cipher live medley they did. It shows even more of their style and how well their verses fit all of their personas on stage
Rap runs throw all the BTS albums. V rapped on stage when the Rappers coached the vocal line to do one of the Rap only tracks on stage it was fun. Jungkook and V slayed it. Jungkook used to Rap quite a lot in the past but not as much now but he'll still Rap. Jimin can Rap a bit but he gets shy and ends up giggling which he did when the 4 of them took over on stage. The 4 vocalist have done it to 2 different Rap Tracks
rm is very wise and he often talks in codes and uses a diffrent way of expressing himself. that is why army use a channel called dkdktv who chyper BTS rap songs so we can understand it. it has a lot of korean slang and stuff like that so it is harder for us to understand it makes sence since they are korean not english speakers. suga also uses slangs but his rap is much easier to understand he is very direct when he raps. you should watch Rm´s new song Nuts that is amazing. translating Rm´s lyrics is not enough it´s the deeper meang that will blow your mind. he is highly respected in korea and his new album has been voted one of the best albums of 2024 by bilboard and rolling stones and many others.
Finally I've been waiting for you to get to the Cyphers. I'm a hip-hophead who grew up listening to all the ogs of rap and I only got into BTS a little over a year ago. They're easily some of the best rappers I've ever heard. Their skills and super witty lyrics and references are no joke. You can tell from their music how much they truly love and are well informed about hip-hop it's part of who they are. They're never repetitive with their words you didn't get RM's part he wasn't talking about BTS. Every single word they say counts and is there for a reason they don't just say whatever and their songs are very layered with psychological, philosophical, and cultural references that you'd have to watch explanation videos to many of their songs to fully understand the depth of them. Suga actually reminds me so much of a younger Eminem in terms of raw authentic lyricism, delivery, flows, and life story. I very highly recommend you check out their "Outro"Tear", "Ugh Busan concert", and "J-hope Mama 2022" live performances their stage presence and energy are just something else
Their live performance of the cypher medley from 2017 Wings Tour the Korean leg of the tour: Still the best. They were all in white and Supreme Boi was on stage with the turn table
He also if you listen to 'Joke' shows how he can do it also he really goes to town an those who said he couldn't Rap fast. So joke is fast all the way through and then in one part of it he says any one can put nonsense together to rap fast and does just that to prove the point. He even calls out those who can only Rap fast by using 2 syllabals and does it himself to prove he can also do it. Basically he's doing very same thing again within a BTS cypher.
Just looking up rm rap lyrics and he says Cuz every kick is my freaking zone Meaning don't play around 9n the beat cuz every kick is my freaking zone. Doolset lyrics are great for reference
WOW all 4 Cyphers. I am really looking forward to it. My favorite version of Cypher 3 was the last performance they did at the Yet To Come concert in Busan that took place the day before they announced their enlistment. They were very angry about the way the government was using them and dangling the possibility of not having it enlist in the military. During the concert it was obvious they were giving the VIP government officials in the audience the 🖕. Their line “You can’t control my 💩” was very aggressive. They actually changed the lyrics in several of their songs just for that one concert. During a live after the concert RM said that was going to be the last time they perform Cypher 3.
6:31 Jhope is so sassy, he has a special way of captivating the listener and making him keep waiting for more! Jhope aka Hoseok has a way of arranging the syllables so Consistently, and making a whole new rhythm that it’s only his, even if someone doesn't know who he is but they can definitely recognize him because of his unique technique of rap, a real legend
40:26 no, he doesn’t do that, just like Ddaeng track by the rap line, the “ddaeng” word has been repeated hundreds of times and every time it has a different meaning, every word you think RM or the rap line keeps repeating are actually words or referring to some meaning in Korea, there are a lot of videos on youtube that you can watch to understand the tracks
Suga mentioning Chopin and he was pianist (He probably did the piano run that comes as he mentions Chopin.)in his childhood, before he even found passion through rap to become rapper/producer/musician at 13. *Also note a bit later who is suga's mentor - or not because Suga is the older and had been in the game longer. ;D suga always tells the truth in his raps - his attitude is his mentor they are quite evenly matched with RM and always had been. 💜 Supreme boy is "8th BTS member" he was last to leave the team before their debut and he worked in-house producer to Big Hit a while since - I'm not sure if he still is. But he is still their good friend. In the picture that is often named "first pic of BTS" there actually is 8 people, Supreme Boy is in the picture with them. There is also couple(?) of tims when they have performed Cyphers live and Supreme Boy has been their MC in the stage. 💜 RM's rap wiper is a word play to refer his fast mind : rap-viper (he was fast and sneakily vicious) but also he is wiping out all of the other rappers. (Original Korean ARMY-) Rumors say RM was Feared in capital rap underground because he literally was so good nobody had any change against him - apprently until Suga came to the capital. They are matched apparently in skill, speed of tongue and -mind - Suga is a bit more straight up vicious, RM wipes the floor with you, and it takes three days for you to realize What he said. RM is and was rap wiper any day he wanted to be. 💜 "Where's he at? why is he not rapping like this today?" Because the one - we know about - there clearly were others (because Agust D needed those cockroach traps in his mixtapes ) - who the three cyphers (mainly) were written for got himself landed in jail... It would be beneath RM to mention that one anymore.. ;D And he leaves Agust D to deal with haters and become a multi millionaire with his disstracks - I- I mean cockroach traps.. While RM took the higher road and started collecting art and paying to restored important historical Korean pieces for museums.. 💜 We are there with you - they are such a good rappers that it feels like world is missing real talent when they do not rap. They are awesome musicians what ever they do, but It really feels like you hear their soul when they rap.
Just caught your first two paragraphs. Re: supreme boi he is still very much active and is credit in their solo albums JITB, face, RPWP as well as Proof, TXT, Le sserafim etc.
@@giakulasa Thank You ! 💜💜💜 I knew he was active, but I thought he was more active in his own carieer as a rapper. So good to be updated that he still is absolutely active and close as in-house producer. 💜
44:08 This may sound repetitive but it's not, Jhope started as a dancer so people were trying to take advantage of this point and dissing him by saying you can't rap you are a dancer, these are dance moves, jhope always repeats them in the dancing practices, as I said, everything has a meaning
the best thing about the rap line, unlike other kpop groups is that they are FREE to explore music and they release and experiment with music. That's what actual artists are about. They don't have to prove anything to anyone anymore, because they are THIS good. Everything they release is a transcendent of the previous project. A lot of things went over your head, by the way, mainly because you did not consider the time and context of the bars. Good reaction, though.
- The Korean “if a crow-tits (birds also known as parrotbills) walks like a stork it will break its legs” is an expresion frequently quoted as a reminder for people to remain in their lane, and is often used in relation to someone seemingly low-class trying to reach the upper echelons of society. By embracing the identity of a crow-tit, BTS take ownership of the underdog nature of their career path, and that of their generational peers trying to achieve success in a world that appears biased against them. - [Tamar Herman: BTS’ Most Political Lyrics: A Guide to Their Social Commentary on South Korean Society].
Majority of those disses are to other rappers not idols. Rm did not talked about repeating one word twice in a verse (which he sometimes does). Those translations on lyric videos are bad. Here is a proper translation from doolset: "A ragtag bunch of nobodies, you should get some manners Why do these incompetents who cannot even a verse try to discuss rap or music That’s how everyone here raps the same like this even now They can only say three or two letters at a time Everyone is a critical patient Motherfather, aphasics, all those con men Back yourself and look at the mirror" About Suga verse : Yes he meant that.
Supreme Boi actually trained with BTS. He's a producer now at Big Hit and has worked on a LOT of BTS tracks, especially in their early days. He's still really good friends with some of the members too. Supposedly when BTS shifted from being a hip hop group to a pop group he decided to stop being a trainee and focused on producing instead. Which seems pretty reasonable. In one of the Suchwita episodes Suga brought him up and said how back in their trainee days the bottom of the rankings for dancing were always him, RM and Supreme Boi. You mentioned how you wished they'd still rap like this now. Suga actually addressed this when he was doing the D-DAY tour. he talked about how in this era he still had a lot of anger in him. it's why his first mix-tape with the title tracks Agust D and Give It To Me are like that and the style gets softer and more introspective as it progresses into D-2 and D-DAY. His music really reflects how he was doing mentally and you can really see the shift in him as he grows to accept things and heal from his pain. It's why Amygdala was sort of an end to his arc as Agust D and why at the final D-DAY concert he walked through the door because it meant the future's going to be OK. He even stated that he wasn't sure if he was going to continue with the Agust D persona or if he was just going to put out everything as Suga in the future. ARMY did make sure to let him know though that we especially love his aggressive rap so hopefully he keeps on with it. We do really love to see him spitting fire like this. I think that Suga's journey is also really similar to RM and J-Hope too in how their musical tone shifts. RM in particular moved in a very different direction in his solo work wheras Suga is the one that probably stayed the cloeset to the style in the Cypher songs. J-Hope went with very different vibes between his mix tape and album where Hope World was very hopeful and Jack in the Box was a lot heavier. All of them have really grown a lot from where they were 11 years ago and it shows. As for V rapping on Cypher there's a funny story about that. In the behind the scenes of of the Bighit Family photoshootoshoot from 2020 someone asked RM who he'd like to make a cypher with and he immediately said Yeonjun of TXT. You can see Taehyung in the background and he makes such an offended face like "why are you inviting him when I AM RIGHT HERE". V's been pretty vocal about how he wants to do a Cypher but it still hasn't happened yet. Yeonjun hasn't featured yet either. Hopefully someday we'll get to see one or both of them on a track.
Finally the reaction I waited so long for. You can hear the hunger they had (specially RM) in the beginning. The 4th cypher was a little bit more calm. RM's raps have definitely calmed down with time. I miss the old RM. If you listen to his first self titled mixtape, you can hear/feel his hunger. I wish he did another album with that same energy. Don't get me wrong, RM is still dope, he just matured. Thanks for this reaction.
@@rema51095 I think that compared to his 1st mixtape (RM), it is. There was more anger and frustration in his 1st mixtape. He was rapping with that "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Now his raps are more of a "I have nothing to prove cause I made it" attitude. He still tells the haters to "fuck off" but now he does it in a calmer/softer way.
47:33 oh no he meant that in the sexual way 😂 he says his voice (his tongue makes his voice come out) makes you go to Hong Kong, which makes to make you come in SK. Also it could be taken literally, which would mean he could be bi or pan 😂
Ddaeng is the unofficial 5th Cypher and deff needs to be checked out as well. And on a live version of that, the vocal line takes turns doing it. Maybe that's what people were thinking? Also, DKDK TV does an explained version of Ddaeng which is amazing. They are able to put Korean context into the nuanced things being said that westerners do not understand. It's great.
The worst thing that can happen is someone relying on these lyric vids for the translations for rapline's songs like they do not do justice at all. To add, man in actual full on tracks that have a specific structure, there are definitely gonna be words that are repeated and for a reason. So, what is wrong with that pray tell. Also using words to create rhyme like rider, ride it like a biker, calling them repetitive is ridiculous to me. As for you saying they don't rap like that anymore and when they come back from ARMY, are they gonna do pop hits and ballads in somewhat condescending tone doesn't sit right. They are part of a group which has 4 vocalists. The dynamic is different, they can't be going ham only showing themselves up. But still even in BTS songs, in their albums other than the title tracks or singles, we have rap heavy songs or rap solo tracks just as we have songs that are more for vocal lines as well. All 3 rappers' recent solo stuff has been pushing boundaries, exploring and experimenting and still showing why they are amazing rappers. They are just not as agressive and angry as they used to be, for which I don't begrudge them. They have said when they made cyphers they were at a different place mentally and now they have matured.They can't spend life just making angry diss track.But for their rap skills they still very much coming through and growing even fine and sharp with their solo works.And even with BTS stuff and mind you their last album came out back in 2021 if we don't count proof. So you can't exactly say why are they not rapping like this anymore man.
Definitely growth!! I'm not a huge fan if RMs recent album but he said he wants to experiment with different music. And all of them have changed over a decade and want to try new things. Maybe that's why rap remains as a hobby. They go back to it, but they're constantly evolving. Also, Suga has said he used to be so angry because they got so much hate, and they had to overcome a lot, but now he's not angry. I think there's less inspiration when you get it all out of your system. The last cypher kind of reflects that. Less anger and more focus on the fact that they know themselves now and things can't affect them the way they did when they were younger. You don't like me 🤷🏼♀️ Sorry 🤷🏼♀️
Worse than Beast Mode? Doom mode. I took "I'm a doom boy" as I'm the one that's gonna finish you. I'm your last. I'm your doom. You can take it to any and all nuances from there. Like there's nobody that's gonna be as good as me, you're doomed, in any context -artistic, physical, personal-. My interpretation of it, though. RM has commented before that he said what he had to say in the past and that now he is in a different place. If you check RPWP -his last work- you'll see where he's at now. So many nuances are lost to those who don't speak Korean... RM plays with the commonalities in the pronunciation of words or syllables in either Korean or English... we'd need videos explaining those nuances for each of the rappers' songs, like the Ddaeng video that lasts 30 min explained from the point of view of someone bilingual in both Korean and English. p.s. I see you're not familiar with SUGA's tongue technology (Agust D track on his self-titled first mixtape)
I get what you're saying about wanting to hear them rap like this again I want them too as well, although I do feel like bts is a group that wants to produce things they like and they like a wide range of genres when it comes to music so I feel like it makes sense for them to come out with a lot more then just rap, I feel they will always be rappers at heart that like to dabble in lots of different things, great reaction btw!!
I LOVE YOU FOR WATCHING ALL OF THEIR CYPHERS!!! NO ONE CAN MATCH BTS RAPLINE ENERGY IN THEIR EARLIER RAPS AND MUSIC. THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY RUTHLESS!! I think ever since they were taken for Ambassadors for Unicef, they had to tone down their level of profanity. After Unicef, BTS music couldnt contain swear words or violence and the likes. Thats why the last cypher (Cypher pt. 4) was in 2016, and their Unicef collab was around 2017-2018. Ill forever miss this ruthless bts rapline.
Can't wait to see you see and hear them do these live and the stadium going insane as we (ARMY) to the response where there's call and response and you see the swag on them. The 3 Kings have arrived.
I appreciate your understanding of the underlying messages. Difficult for me, hahahah. The best accurate lyrics are from Doolset. You can check them out whenever you want a real translation and some Korean cultural references that gives us a better understanding. Hey they have so many mixtapes and solo albums where they do their thing so well. The last RM´s Right Place, Wrong Person album is fire!!!!! My favorite is Nuts and Groin.
A thought about the English word being the rhyming syllable... Korean places the verb last in a sentence. And sometimes those verbs will be "is" or "isn't", "does" or "doesn't" etc so much harder to do novel rhymes in their languages as it is very rigidly structured.
Korean sentence structure isn't rigid at all. While Subject-Object-Verb is the standard word order, because it's a largely agglutinative language, you can actually put words in whatever order and the sentence still means the same thing. However, due to that agglutination, there are required ending particles, and I agree that probably makes it difficult to write novel rhymes.
It will be harder work breaking down rap lyrics and their word plays in a language we don’t speak. Language is highly embedded in culture, and in rap when this is taken even further, it can be way too many layers for people to be bothered with. One US music producer who somehow managed is SLEEP DEEZ. I can highly recommend you check out his channel.
I think some folks forget or don’t realize just how long BTS and specially RM and Suga have been doing music. When rappers are coming up, they for sure have a different hunger and aggression to them vs when they have “made it”. You can see it in their art, which is natural IMO. Reasonable Doubt Jay Z is very different from 4:44 Jay Z. The Block is Hot Wayne is very different from The Carter Wayne. These cyphers were released very early in their careers, over 10 years ago. I love hearing the contrast in their earlier work vs their newer stuff. And hearing them be much more reflective of themselves and the world around them.
if you want to hear present RM singing with the same "aggressive" energy he had back then you NEED to listen to his new album "Right Place Wrong Person"... the first four songs are him just giving into his anger and frustration with thins he had been keeping inside... its beautiful and full of emotion!!
It was so cool video, great reaction. Thanks 💜 Yeah, few lyrics you didn't get or it simply get over your head, hehe but thats ok, it is hard to catch all, especially in lyrics video. Also sometimes cultural meaning getting lost, or simply knowlage about them is more needed hmm.. like for example onomatopoeia are very popular in korean launguage sonthey use it a lot, it is simply part of speech. I will try to write things that you wonder about, but I also only know what I learned reading translations end explsnations trhu years. Like I said I understand that we all can't gwt all in one go, but you did great! 💜 So I hope it helps... 1. 5:54 lyrics "... Imma don, don’t turn off the beat, becuz im not freakin done, Don’t play around on the beat cuz every kick is my freaking zone" the kick is reference to the melody, in beat you fit in pockets, so He is saying every kick in beat is his zone - place he always fit... Hope you get what I try to say, especially bc you rap and i'm not really that great about rap lingo... Then he ask "who your top 5?" And answer is "Rap Monster, Randa, leader, RapMon, your daddy" you are right here, ut us all him and with daddy line too but I it is simply sarcasm nothing to do with sons, I think ;) hehe.. 2. 8:39 yeah you aren't far off, but they had problem with underground and hip hop fandoms not that much with idols, this part come later. And I know you really like Stray kids and Ateez, but both this bands debuted in 2018 and last Cypher was in 2016, and last Cypher is about letting go of hate and haters, bc we are above that. We don't know if plans for this two groups were even there when BTS had this anger behind them already. I mean I don't know bc I know only general things about this bands, I say this only bc there is huge time gape between BTS and this two groups and I don't say it as negative but as fact simply BTS had 5 years of fighting with all in their pocketc already and opened a lot of doors for new groups with this fights for hip hop and they moved on to find new things for themself. You may say 5 years isn't that long but in kpop world this are light years. So when this new bands in 2018 came that focused so much on hip hop a lot of negativity and refusal to accept hip hop groups around kpop were destroyed bc of BTS, it was open world for them then and they know it, they say it open to. Hmm 🤔 that's my opinion of course. 3. 12:47 no, RM isn't/wasen't Suga mentor, hm they started at the same time with rap, in their own cities, RM lived close to Seoul, but Suga is from Deagu, it is quiet far, both were rappers, but Suga also actually worked as producer in underground, he was more know for beats then rap at that time (before 2010). And bc Suga is older then RM it would be opposite actually hehe but in reality they treated themself as equal always, as brothers. 4. 15:20 hmm your take isn't bad and it makes sens. Nie I have to wonder and think about it bc I always thought that he isn't saying it about himself but it is still diss, that this pop world is huge it is hard to survive so you can only do rap as hobby not as job. But the way you put it also makes sens and sound good too... Next line also last line is "The world is going to the dogs if you feel guilty, try harder..." Dog in korea is negative world, so yeah for nie the world is going to this stinky people if you don't like it try harder,it would fit with your interoretation. 🤔 I will think about it 😉 5. Supreme boy was trainee at Big hit as potencial member for BTS, but he decided to become producer for Big hit, and co-produced some BTS song (like Cypher pt.3 here), he is also a rapper. 6. 22:54 "rap wiper" I always took it as snake with rap (?), he is fast, smart, sly and dengerous... But it is asumtion. 7. 37:53 "...the guys are smoking and girls cheating, I smoke beat, this is beat smoke..." it is word play in korean, so it is hard to get fully, bc literal translation would be that girl are smoking wind wich slangs for cheating but it hard to put on lyrics video but meaning is more about social gathering to simply put it, the guys are smoking girls are cheating, they don't do anythinig productive but lazy party and RM is making music he smokes beat he is on track rapping, so this is beat smoke. In 2017 he changed this line to be genderless bc both guys and girls can smoke and cheat. 8. 44:05 "I’ve got everything I want, tell them to look at me, Oh, I’m on top of the beat beat, wiggle wiggling, jingle jingling, roll rolling, beagle beagling" this makes a lot of sens for jhope bc he is talking about himself, and Jhope is dancer and his personality is very cheerful, he is very energetic and happy person, so he literally descripting himself bc he wiggle, roll and jingle on beat bc he is street dancer, but also in korean that is how you tell someone is joyfull, plus like I said at the begining in korean there is a lot of onomatopoeia used in everyday speach do they use it a lot in rap like RM with things you said (boom boom, doom doom, etc), and here is Jhope using ut too. So yeah it dosen't matter it is Cypher bc he is talking about himself and this is who he is so he rap as himself cheerful dancer, and if you look at it bc words he uses are normal aren't repetive really they sound almost the same but if you look at the lyrics they are little different. It is fun play with launguage with his personality Pipi is sound of message coming beep beep in english. 9. 55:15 "Baepsae" was first, album before the album Cypher pt.4 was on, so like a year. 10. 58:37 they said it a lot lately (before military) that they don't have that anger anymore, they were starving back then, the have fight with anyone and everyone, every path they took it had so many things to go over or destroy or fight with that they had to give some much of themself, that with times they feld that they were empty or lose themself to again stand up and go to "war zone" of music industry. They also said it show in their eyes, when now they look at the old video's that how hungry they were, and they still have a lot of passion but they don't have this feeling of drowing at any moment. To understand this more I would recomend song "Sea" by BTS with good lyrics, but it is hard song to react, bc it is hidden track you get only on physical album, so it get hit by YT copyrights always.
They rap like that on their mixtapes, but a lot of this rap in the cyphers were anger in their youth. The underground rap scene, where they started from, shit on them. After cypher 4 they had matured and basically butchered the haters so they had no more reason to keep talking about it. But their solo stuff is exactly this type of passion for rap. It’s what drew them to me bc I’ve always been a hip hop head before kpop ever was a factor. Thank you for giving them a listen. 💜
Yes V was rapping in one of the cyphers but just for fun not in the actual songs, but there is a live performance of the vocal line and rap line rapping together a song called Ddaeng
BTS from the very beginning were treated very badly, other idols (not aol of them but like 75%) and rappers, but they decided to treat the next idol gen like they weren't treated and always gave advice and support, Suga said so during an interview on his show, they wanted to become the hyungs they didn't have. It's why I don't get or like the hate between fandoms. I've seen videos of them with some of the SK members, seventeen, and so many others and they show they're friends but you see the fandoms just hating on each other 😢
Supreme Boi is Shin Dong-hyuk, the South Korean Rapper and Producer and he's one of the Producers at BigHit. He was originally going to be part of BTS but didn't want to be part of an 'Idol' group and decided to be a Rapper/Producer with BigHit so yeah they still work together.
24:30 here he’s talking about a solo artist called Rain who has a song called Rainism in which he sings: “I’m gonna be a bad boy, I gotta be a bad boy.” It’s a huge older song in SK and BTS later (mostly JK) also covered it. It’s actually a great song imo!
I dont think you understand how many korean rappers literally REPEAT lyrics over and over. Yes, RM repeats words for emphasis, rhythm, or intentionally doing so to prove a point, but others repeats lyrics cuz they ran out of ideas... example: gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang~
You should check RM's new album Right Place Wrong person.. i love the whole album.. little sims is also featured in one of the tracks titled "domodachi"... this album is my favourite among all of the solo releases of the members.. also DDay by suga
The rap will always be there! If you truly knew anything about the rap line or all the members of BTS for that matter then you would understand their lyrics a lot better. When they use the repetitive words they have a meaning and a reason. Do your research on them, find out about all the crap they went through and how RM & Suga were treated by and talked down to by the underground rap scene they used to be a part of. Also, there are many words being lost in translation. They aren’t hypocritical & that was a rude statement when you’re making assumptions about what their lyrics mean. Not trying to be rude, just trying to get you to do your homework about them. They reference many things in their lyrics that you would never pick up on if you don’t know the backstories. Also, the song Pied Piper is a song based on a book.
I agree. I feel like he struggles to grasp the fact that a lot the the clever word play is lost in translation.. like imagine putting any English rap song into google translate Korean it would not hit as hard
PSY- although he was for a short time very famous for kangnam style in the west, he has always been and still is SUPER popular in Korea and Senior position to BTS and BTS gives PSY much high respect
Yes Psy is very big in Korea, like top of the top. Gangnam style 😊 was huge yes, but he still has o lot of music. He is famus bc his song are very sarcastic and social comentary in funny way but west didn't really get it. Actually Gangnam style is also social comentary song, but I bet if you ask people outside Korea what it is about it would be empty stare.
Taehyung doesn't sing in Cypher, he sang ddaeng in the live performance ، I also recommend Cypher's live medley performance, it's the best ، 😢Please do not delay us in reaction with BTS
What always impresses me is that they switch between English and Korean throughout these lines and make it rhyme in both languages. The only one who speaks fluent English is RM. I don't know any western artist who can switch languages mid sentence and keep the rhythm and rhyme like they do.
When the members return and convene as BTS they will do whatever music they like, whether its Cyphers, pop, ballad - because they can do it all at the top level and they know ARMY will have their back. RM is the lyracist of those ballads and pop songs of BTS, they are just as valid as his rap work. BTS discography isnt just meaningless crap with a tune. The rapline have consistantly produced rap songs over their 10 years, youre not aware of it because you are still at the surface of their career output
When jhope mentions wiggle wiggling jiggle jiggling he’s referring to dance moves. So he’s on the beat dancing because he started as a dancer. So while yes it does sound repetitive they’re not nonsense words. 😂
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"wiggle wiggling jiggle jiggling"
How is that not nonsense.
exactly, lol
@@merrillsmith2270 Yeah even if it refers to his dancing those lyrics still feel like they serve more as filler than anything else.
Oh about the s*xual lyricism, Suga really meant that hahaha. It's not an accident. I think the translation is not that accurate. Here's some info from "doolsetbangtan" that always get deep into the translations:
Suga's lyrics:
알다시피 내 목소린 좀 꼴림
As you know, my voice gets them h*rny
남자든 여자든 랩으로 홍콩을 보내는 유연한 내 혀놀림
My flexible tongue movement that makes people reach *rgasm with my rap, men and women alike
(To send someone to Hong Kong is a slang that means to make someone feel *rgasm.)
For jhope's lyrics "pipi":
모든 언니s call me 삐삐 (bbibbi)
All the girls call me, beeper
Original Korean lyrics use 언니 (unnie), which is used by females to call/address an older female. It is, however, common that night club barkers (even if they are males) call female customers unnies. The use of unnie thus makes sense here. 삐삐 (bbibbi) is a pager/beeper, so it could be (1) “all the girls, call me, page me.” Or, since bbi- is commonly used as an onomatopoeia of censoring sounds, it could also be (2) “all the girls call me ‘XX’,” where XX is some unknown word.
Pretty sure the "every kick is my freaking zone" is a music production bar because in the lines leading up to it he was talking about the beat. I think he means every kick drum is his zone, meaning he's always in pocket of the beat.
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Yes I'm pretty sure that's what he meant
RM and SUGA were underground rappers, before joining BTS.
The cyphers are a diss to individuals within the hiphop scene at the time, who slated them for joining the group - they got a lot of slack for it, as you can imagine.
These tracks are a big ‘F*** you’ basically. Just because they’re in an idol group doesn’t mean they sold out, and are no longer rappers or lyricists, that’s the point they’re proving - they rap harder if anything.
yes
B Free was one of them. To this day loaf bread pops up when I try to look him up, just for laughs.
Dude the translations aren’t perfect…and the words RM used that sound like just sounds actually mean things in Korean… it’s not just nonsensical
I think this is where I will always have an issue with his reactions on BTS - he doesn't question the lyrics or jibberish in others music like he does for BTS and I think one main reason is because he takes the lyrics at face value only. we know as army that BTS is known for their lyrical prowess. All the flip flopping between english, korean, and sometimes japanese as well as major rhyming schemes and patterns. And it is all written by born and bred and raised native koreans. using korean slang, korean idioms, korean history, korean culture, korean stories, korean poems, korean characters, etc. - so these "translations" he uses are not even accurate because of their high context value (you really need to have someone that is a born and bred korean do the translations to understand the context) and even though he has repeatedly been told to use doolsetbangtan for the more contextual lyrics - he ignores. So he really tries to westernize the context and lyrics which is frustrating. but i do see he is much more keen to enjoy lyrics written in a manner easy for western translations to pop into a translation app. BTS doesn't write lyrics you can plop into Papago LOL...they are way deeper than that. but either way those little moments he has of realization, makes me still watch... for now.. lol
Hoping he starts looking further into the lyrics. The lyrics are much deeper than he's looking at. You can't look at bts lyrics the same as surface lyrics of other artists.
RM wasn’t Suga’s mentor. Suga was already producing and selling for other artists before BTS and was also underground rapper who used to go by the name Gloss.
RM refers to ‘mumble rap’ (like Future etc or 6ix9ine being loose examples) - when he mentions about rappers only saying ‘two three words’ at a time, his disses are aimed at the hiphop scene (across the western world and Korea) not the idol world, new wave rap at the time.
It’s difficult because a lot of these lyric videos get lost in translation, you’ve clocked it a few times, but if you actually digged into the lyrics from genuine sources, you’d get a different impact, it’s a shame.
RM uses repetition, the difference is however, the intent behind it - the double meanings, wordplay, and use of onomatopoeia (he was a poet/rapper before BTS) this is what he enjoys, believe me, it’s never without intent.
Exactly, and I think he was also referring to the flow when he said that other rappers just say two or three words meaning that their flow is always the same and quite slow/with a lot of stops in between words
J-Hope’s wiggling and jiggling etc.. is not pointless. He’s referring to his style of dancing. Never forget, BTS ‘s lyrics always have a meaning.
your last take was 100% correct. BTS were supposed to be a rap group which is why their earlier music was heavily hiphop influenced. the cyphers perfectly encompass their growth as artists and their message. keep in mind that suga and rm were underground rappers before joining bighit and looked up to a lot of OG western rappers which influenced their styles and lyrics. suga did not consider rm a mentor but he does consider him a comrade and the rapine learn from each other. jhope originally wasn't a rapper but with help from both rm and suga he developed his own style and lyricism. I understand your dislike to repetitive lyrics but in this case they need to be contextualised within the bar. V has always admired the rap line and takes every chance he gets to perform with them but he is not a rapper (although he is quite decent). also don't dismiss their current music!! they're always trying something new and as you know it is a trial and error industry it just so happens they ventured into pop and ballads and those songs became successful!! I'm sure after the members return we will get another rapline song however I don't think it will be the same as when they were young. back then they had the world on their shoulders and were going through a lot so rightfully they were angry at the world and expressed that in their music. I believe they are healed from all the pain and anger the industry caused them which is why they are releasing music that represents who they are now. thank you for the reaction!!
ps. yes!! their future songs reference their older music!! a nod to how far they've come
44:38 삐삐 -pipi- is actually a beeping noise, like a phone or pager, he meant everyone calling him to talk about his awards and achievements
Here are the rappers individual albums:
RM:
RM - Mix tape (2015)
Mono (2018)
Indigo (2022)
Right Place, Wrong Person (2024)
Suga (aka Agust D):
Agust D (2016)
D-2 (2020)
D-DAY (2023)
J-Hope:
Hope World (2018)
Jack In The Box (2022)
Hope on the Street Vol. 1 (2024)
Thank you for this! Because I was like…..what does he mean?! Considering how massive BTS in not just in music but as a business….the rappers have put out a great body of work individually. I don’t think that the members have released many singles that have NOT been a part of an album or mixtape. I am always impressed when they drop albums individually because I can’t comprehend how they even have the time to do so. It’s really impressive the amount of work they put in and not only that, the QUALITY is always there.
Thank you! I wanted to strangle the man through the screen when he said they don't rap anymore lol
@@innejart Same! 😂😂😂😂
I feel like there's SO MUCH content that without a lot of help, casual fans will miss out on a LOT of what's being made. I do agree that if you're reacting to any particular group, you should make sure that you're more on top of what they're putting out... but there are Kpop fans who legit think that BTS members are on full hiatus once Jin entered the military and ONLY seem to know about V, JK and Jimin's release IF that.
@@quinettesanders7999I'm saying!!! Like man was pissing me off I was like what recent stuff has he even heard from them to be saying bs like this.
Ahh some huge misconception about BTS and especially rap line..., but yeah everyone learn at some point that it isn't fair to pit them in box.
27:17 I can only say that you know too little about BTS to say line like "why they don't rap like that anymore?" One -how do you know it that they don't?, two - they have a lot of different interest, and styles they want to do, so yeah they experiment a lot and they are in industry for like 15 years, there is no way they would still be the same boys now like the boys they were on cyphers. People change and grow with experiences.
RM said he dosen't feel this anger anymore like then, he even said that when they performed Cypher 3 in concert in 2022 it was weird for him to rap that agresive, bc he now don't do this style anymore, bc he is different person have different look at the world and art. I mean years gone by, it was like 10 years ago when he rapped this way, of course he changed and found himself in new ways...
27:20 they do realese rap consistent... BTS started as hip hop group, literally they first 4 albums are rap albums and the first 3 cyphers came from this albums, but all albums have rap, and are mostly r&b and edm. BTS started in 2013 and by 2020 they had realesed 15 albums, but between work on BTS albums rappers relesed solo work in 2015 "RM" mixtape in 2016 "Agust D" mixtape, in 2018 Jhope "Hope World" mixtape and RM "mono", in 2020 "D-2" Agust D mixtape, then they started doing solo activites bc od break and in 2022 "Jack in the box" Jhope first full album, then "Indigo" RM first full album, in 2023 "D-day" Agust D first full album, in 2024 "Hope on the street " jhope album and RM "Right place, wrong person" that come out not long ago. This all are rap albums.
So how can you say they don't realese, they relese more then some western rappers and still do their job in BTS as part of group. I understand you don't know this, it is ok, but bc you don't know it dosen't mean you can assume and say they give up releseing hip hop. "D-day" album was actually no.1 on US billboard top rap albums in 2023.
But what you are saying also is different - freestyle, first you have to like and feel it to freestyle, some people prefer to write lyrics, RM always says he is more of the poet even if he can freestyle he also have preference and it is rap poetry. So we as audience can't really tell they should do this or that bc we like it, they always should do what they feel their art is, what they like and in what form they feel the best in.
In a way it is little disrespectful to say "will they do rap when they come from military, they will do pop and ballads..." When they relesed two rap albums literally this year and they simply were not on your radar it dosen't mean they don't exist, they relesed more music in military then some artist active and free... I'm Army many years now and I can say I don't know if they have more then 20 pure ballads and they have over 400 songs, bc theirs songs are always mixed genres, and rappers are rappers they rap no matter what genre of the song is, even if it is more melodic rap in few. Yes they have pop song, bc why not they are 7 so they do style for everyone, but really pure pop songs I don't know if there is more then 10 in BTS discography. There is more now bc of solo work and vocalist have more this style on solo albums. I mean I know you didn't really listen much to them so how can you know, but still you say pop and ballads like it is something bad, and it isn't, they do all genres and they enjoy all, bc they can. When they did their most know pop song they said they had a lot of fun bc one working together is always a fun for them and bc it is simply nice feeling, the songs give simple joy and sometimes it is needed too.
i feel the cyphers especially the first ones had a lot to do with the rap underground scene that disrespected RM & Suga for not continuing staying underground and becoming idols. that they didnt consider RM & Suga hip hop artists anymore . so RM & Suga and J Hope wanted to show them these "idols" can rap the mess out of any rapper out there
Cypher 1: Sep 2013
Cypher 2: Feb2014
Cypher 3: Aug 2014
Cypher 4: Oct 2016
They got unbelievable hate in their early years (still, but now they are too big) and that was their way to cope with it. In the last concert of 2022 in SK they performed Cypher 3 with so much energy, talking probably to the government and SK people toying them with the military service
Other thing, RM wasn’t Suga’s mentor. Both were underground rappers before joining BTS
BTS music is not pop songs as you always say. It’s tiring. They have few pop songs that became popular being in English, but they do so many genres, most of the time including rap, that is difficult to put them in a box. I think they do a lot of EDM, besides rap. Their last music has songs like Dis-ease (I recommend you that song) or RUN BTS that are mainly rap
It really is so tiring to hear ¬_¬ please listen to more of their B-sides and solo projects (for the rappers specially since he honed in on that) before stating nonsense. I can't even agree or disagree when you don't have the full picture, because to me those comments just come from ignorance. Their English trilogy had a reason to exist when it did, and their title tracks are energetic and/or performance-oriented and a TL;DR for their message- of course they're not going to give you the full picture, nor the full range they have covered. It's a disservice to draw conclusions like that.
omg your knowledge of rap is great but your lack of any info on bts makes part of your reaction quite frustrating. parts of the lyrics that I considered self explanatory, you assume are about something completely different because either you have preconceived notions about them or are comparing them to other groups
True,and I don't wanna say more because it's gonna sound rude on his Chanel.But you spoke facts💜
@@simphiwentshakala8381 agree on both and that's why I unfollowed ages ago. I just can't watch anymore. but friggin yt algo keeps suggesting it cos views grr
@@giakulasa same,but I keep getting suggestions.
Suga tells: you are Sh*t
RM tells: why are you sh*t
Jhope tells: it's okay to be a sh*t
ily for this
1. They use internal rhymes in english and korean.
2. Suga ABSOLUTELY meant the sexual lyric in Cypher 3 These are not good translations.... Much is lost in translation incl the references 😅
3. These cyphers were done across many years
Oh! Did you react to RM's new album? RPWP. He's rapping and spitting bars better than ever! It's a sensorial journey through RM's mind.
When do all those "jiggle jiggle, doom doom", etc, generally are ironically imitating their former underground colleagues who spread a lot of hate because Suga and RM left and became idols.
I think you'll like to watch them live! It's a medley during a BTS concert... super energetic!
To see V rapping, you have to watch DDang or Daewchita OT7 😅
I’m so hyped for this! The live Cypher medley from the Wings tour final is still one of my favourite performances 🤯
Los Cyphers salieron en diferentes momentos de su carrera en donde recibían mucho odio y lo canalizaban de esa forma, pero conforme fueron creciendo como personas se dieron cuenta que debían dejar de centrarse en ese odio y amarse a si mismos, por eso le dicen a los haters que se aman a si mismos y dejen tanto odio, BTS creció como artistas y como personas después de todo lo que pasaron en más de 10 años de carrera 💜
How can this comment be written one month ago when the video us from two days ago?
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@@fernandaduncan6002 Ah makes sense
If you think that BTS is just "ballads" and "Pop" music... well, you are wrong and that opinion is because you have heard very little about them. Maybe if you listened to the suggestions in the comments, you would see how in their songs they complement Rap, HipHop, with funk, R&B, EDM, even with Rock. Maybe you heard a really "Pop" song and got the idea that all their music sounded like that. In addition, all 3 (well, all 7) have albums outside the group where they express themselves freely, write, compose and produce their own music, and have even gone to festivals, concerts and presentations as soloists. BTS's RapLine is the only one in the K-POP industry that comes from the underground. Many agencies sell their idols as "underground rappers" but the truth is that they are not.
Woah chill, this video was recorded 2 months ago on Patreon, and other reactions are on there also, including solos 😅😊
Yo no voy a pagarle Patreon a un weón prejuicioso que no tiene ni una puta idea de Rap. Así que no me interesa lo que publicó.
La crítica sobre sus solos, es porque ha escuchado sólo unos cuantos, lo que dice de que BTS hacen baladas y sólo Pop, es un prejuicio e ignorancia absoluta, ha reaccionado a tener de BTS contados con los dedos de 1 mano.
Y sobre lo que dice del rap de J-Hope, pues sí, él es bien ignorante, porque si lo conociera sabría que esas palabras concuerdan con la fluidez de sus movimientos al bailar.
💯 i really don't understand this. This guy has been reacting to BTS for ages (I remember him getting into suga earlier on) but still remains wilfully ignorant and biased, even voting against them on MAMA. cash cow I guess 🤷🏻♀️
@giakulasa First, I will say, I love BTS music.. however, if you have watched his videos for a long time, you would know he is far from ignorant. People listen to what their taste is, Teddy has shown appreciation for their work multiple times here and on Patreon.
In regard to voting, you dont vote against it. You vote for who you love most. This doesn't mean you dont respect others' work. 🙏🏽💗
Reactors get slammed with requests, though they have lives also and not an everlasting amount of hours in the day to please everyone.
The reactions will come in time 😊
No me interesa seguir a un TH-camr que no tiene ni una puta idea de Rap, ni HipHop. Gringas imbéciles, prefieren este tipo de contenido, antes que de priorizar el Stream a BTS.
J hope is basically calling them out just the same why RM calls them out, by showing he can do just the same thing that what they've been doing is nothing special. I love how both J Hope and RM throw it back into their faces by spitting the very same word back at the haters/nansayers who relie on the nonsense words.
I think the reason why they use the english words to rhyme a lot is cuz in korean they use a lot of english words but written in hangeul, the korean alphabet, and because of the korean sentence structure,they come at the end of the sentence. Also in Korea they use a looot of onomatopoeias as actual words in daily conversation and BTS use them in their songs a lot. I was waiting for this reaction for like 2 years hahah!! Thank you 💜
This comment is for ARMYS, not multis. yall be giving this guy likes and views when most of his comments are backhanded compliments. i get multis who dgaf about the tannies but armys cmon man, we don't need validation from people like this... he was so against bts during the MAMA voting he supported another group, wishing for them to stop the "pop hits" when the boys love doing them, saying that RM is a HYPOCRITE, shitting on hobi's lyrics, he doesn't get them. When there are so many genuine reactors who like watching bts and love them, why give attention to this guy?
Army, stop justifying shit to him, we don't need to do that explain and justify anything the tannies have done. If he gets it, he gets it. If he doesnt, then he doesnt. He ults another grp anyways, prolly doesn't think that our rapline is as good as theirs. Support reactors who DESERVE our love and support.
So true. Glad I found these comments, I thought I was the only one who thought like this. Reacting (I won't even say listening) to BTS obviously hasn't rubbed off one bit
@@giakulasa its insane, the amount of ppl trying to justify the tannies to this wierdo!
Actually at 24:29 i think namjoon might be referencing a iconic kpop song rainism by rain a Korean artist in this song the lyrics are " i am gonna be a bad boy " so in reference to this namjoon is saying "i am badder guy then rain "
Edit : don't quote me on this it's just my interpretation of it
I was looking for this... I was really wondering if I had interpreted that line wrong all along. To me it's also a clever reference to Rainism 😊
Every reaction that misses yoongi's laugh in the end of cypher pt 2 hurts my soul
The live perfomance is so fire, i swear
Psy is HUGH still in Korea, legend in Korea.
The rap line switched and the vocal line did the rap parts, that's why V was rappin in another video.
it was a special gift for army
Just so you know, the tune at the beginning is from BTS’s song DNA. The maker of the video isn’t inserting their own beat; to all ARMYs it’s a familiar hook and is pleasing to hear.
yeah
Absolute loved your reaction. Few things I would love if you know. Firstly, the "angry rap" was a huge part of their career initially as you know they were underground rappers and a lot of "hip-hop" artists used to mock them for being idols. RM said in one of his lives that him specifically has become a lot more calmer now you wouldn't hear a lot of angry raps from him now (his new album has great bars do give a listen to it). Secondly, the part where he was talking about repeated verses and all is something very very common in kpop. If you've listen to k-rap the rappers from one company have the same exact bars and the same exact flows and they have never held a pen in their entire life but are just lucky to be from a big company. When I tell you BTS is a huge blessing to kpop i mean it. Kpop is extremely generic and predictable but BTS is an exception. Suga even says in one of his songs that the kpop category is way too small for them. I read somewhere that BTS is a huge advantage to kpop but kpop is a disadvantage to them which is so true. BTS' body of work and artistry cannot even be put side by side with kpop that would be disrespectful for BTS. You should listen to other rapline songs too like Ddaeng, Outro:Tear, Ugh and their solos too.
Groin kills it, it's soooooo good
@@diggymodesti6139 agree
yes!
Check out “Do you” and “Monster” by Rm with the lyric🙌
I feel like you still have little knowledge about bts's backgrounds and korean/k-music culture to be able to correctly interpret the lyrics, but I'm not too mad with what you come up with. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes not but it's okay. Maybe one thing you need to know about their raps is that nothing is unintentional in the lyrics, even the sounds that you might consider meaningless. it would be fun hearing you try to pinpoint the meaning of these sounds.
What do you think the repeated words mean then if not pointless filler. Not saying it is necessarily, but I think some fans need to be reminded that it's okay to acknowledge when something is supposed to be filler instead of trying to assign meaning where it's not there. Like some armys say, "not everything bts does has to be deep." But if you truly think there's more meaning to those repeated words and onomatopoeias It'd be interesting to hear about it.
@@GoldenWreck I am not a Korean so I don’t know for sure. But I think I heard that these words have meanings in the Korean language. Like slangs and gang language. Like pook pook or something like that is an expression used by Korean gangs to mean to stab and then ferment in red blood or something like that. Again I am not Korean I am just stating what I understood from Korean people’s interpretation of these things. So I could be wrong. But At the end of the day it’s nearly impossible to fully interpret these without having knowledge of Korean language and Korean culture. Not just BTS, I think it goes to any Korean song/drama. We will never understand them to the fullest and that’s fine I think.
@@axiomique Yes I think I heard the 'pok pok' expression from one of DKTV's explanation vids, so yes it could be entirely plausible that these words have more meaning in a cultural context. Appreciate your thoughtful response.
@@GoldenWreck while that may be correct sometimes, but as another person commented the jhope, jiggling and wiggling line was to express him dancing on the beat. And because I read manga and manhwa’s I’ve realised they use a lot of repeated “words” as expression of something or a sound of an action etc.
In "Sexy nukim"... Line "I'm doom boy" in context of lyrics he says he is boy that will bring doom, doom like downfall, he says in lyrics that people are fake and flex money and he laughting at them bc he is doom boy, bc no matter what you say you got he has more and he will bring your end....
@Cypher medley live, their performance is so strong!!
You gonna love it.
No RM is not Sugas mentor , they are both equally as experienced and good. Thanks for reacting to them. Please keep on doing more
Yes suga used to sell songs before bts... He writes for very early age
Supreme BOI I'm pretty sure was the eighth member of BTS but left in the very early days maybe even before debut
He was a trainee but didn't want to stay in the group when it was changed to an idol group. He stayed on at BH as a producer.
I am absolutely begging you to react to the cipher live medley they did. It shows even more of their style and how well their verses fit all of their personas on stage
Rap runs throw all the BTS albums. V rapped on stage when the Rappers coached the vocal line to do one of the Rap only tracks on stage it was fun. Jungkook and V slayed it. Jungkook used to Rap quite a lot in the past but not as much now but he'll still Rap. Jimin can Rap a bit but he gets shy and ends up giggling which he did when the 4 of them took over on stage. The 4 vocalist have done it to 2 different Rap Tracks
I am surprised you have not heard these cyphers by BTS rap line years ago when I found you first reacting to BTS since you are a rapper
rm is very wise and he often talks in codes and uses a diffrent way of expressing himself. that is why army use a channel called dkdktv who chyper BTS rap songs so we can understand it. it has a lot of korean slang and stuff like that so it is harder for us to understand it makes sence since they are korean not english speakers.
suga also uses slangs but his rap is much easier to understand he is very direct when he raps. you should watch Rm´s new song Nuts that is amazing. translating Rm´s lyrics is not enough it´s the deeper meang that will blow your mind. he is highly respected in korea and his new album has been voted one of the best albums of 2024 by bilboard and rolling stones and many others.
Finally I've been waiting for you to get to the Cyphers. I'm a hip-hophead who grew up listening to all the ogs of rap and I only got into BTS a little over a year ago. They're easily some of the best rappers I've ever heard. Their skills and super witty lyrics and references are no joke. You can tell from their music how much they truly love and are well informed about hip-hop it's part of who they are. They're never repetitive with their words you didn't get RM's part he wasn't talking about BTS. Every single word they say counts and is there for a reason they don't just say whatever and their songs are very layered with psychological, philosophical, and cultural references that you'd have to watch explanation videos to many of their songs to fully understand the depth of them. Suga actually reminds me so much of a younger Eminem in terms of raw authentic lyricism, delivery, flows, and life story.
I very highly recommend you check out their "Outro"Tear", "Ugh Busan concert", and "J-hope Mama 2022" live performances their stage presence and energy are just something else
JHope at lollapalooza is a top one.
Their live performance of the cypher medley from 2017 Wings Tour the Korean leg of the tour: Still the best. They were all in white and Supreme Boi was on stage with the turn table
I think you would like the live version of ddaeng where the vocal line is rapping 😊 thanks for your reaction!
He also if you listen to 'Joke' shows how he can do it also he really goes to town an those who said he couldn't Rap fast. So joke is fast all the way through and then in one part of it he says any one can put nonsense together to rap fast and does just that to prove the point. He even calls out those who can only Rap fast by using 2 syllabals and does it himself to prove he can also do it. Basically he's doing very same thing again within a BTS cypher.
he already reacted to Joke long long time ago, but idk 😏
Just looking up rm rap lyrics and he says
Cuz every kick is my freaking zone
Meaning don't play around 9n the beat cuz every kick is my freaking zone.
Doolset lyrics are great for reference
'If I am the sun you're the moon cause when I rise you go down" my all time favorite part of Sugas parts in the cyphers.
WOW all 4 Cyphers. I am really looking forward to it.
My favorite version of Cypher 3 was the last performance they did at the Yet To Come concert in Busan that took place the day before they announced their enlistment. They were very angry about the way the government was using them and dangling the possibility of not having it enlist in the military. During the concert it was obvious they were giving the VIP government officials in the audience the 🖕. Their line “You can’t control my 💩” was very aggressive. They actually changed the lyrics in several of their songs just for that one concert.
During a live after the concert RM said that was going to be the last time they perform Cypher 3.
nods. I was like 0.0 who made them angry because damn.
6:31 Jhope is so sassy, he has a special way of captivating the listener and making him keep waiting for more! Jhope aka Hoseok has a way of arranging the syllables so Consistently, and making a whole new rhythm that it’s only his, even if someone doesn't know who he is but they can definitely recognize him because of his unique technique of rap, a real legend
Fr he's so underrated in the group
Have seen the cyphers live? It's worth it, do check out if you want to😅
40:26 no, he doesn’t do that, just like Ddaeng track by the rap line, the “ddaeng” word has been repeated hundreds of times and every time it has a different meaning, every word you think RM or the rap line keeps repeating are actually words or referring to some meaning in Korea, there are a lot of videos on youtube that you can watch to understand the tracks
Suga mentioning Chopin and he was pianist (He probably did the piano run that comes as he mentions Chopin.)in his childhood, before he even found passion through rap to become rapper/producer/musician at 13.
*Also note a bit later who is suga's mentor - or not because Suga is the older and had been in the game longer. ;D suga always tells the truth in his raps - his attitude is his mentor they are quite evenly matched with RM and always had been.
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Supreme boy is "8th BTS member" he was last to leave the team before their debut and he worked in-house producer to Big Hit a while since - I'm not sure if he still is. But he is still their good friend. In the picture that is often named "first pic of BTS" there actually is 8 people, Supreme Boy is in the picture with them.
There is also couple(?) of tims when they have performed Cyphers live and Supreme Boy has been their MC in the stage.
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RM's rap wiper is a word play to refer his fast mind : rap-viper (he was fast and sneakily vicious) but also he is wiping out all of the other rappers. (Original Korean ARMY-) Rumors say RM was Feared in capital rap underground because he literally was so good nobody had any change against him - apprently until Suga came to the capital. They are matched apparently in skill, speed of tongue and -mind - Suga is a bit more straight up vicious, RM wipes the floor with you, and it takes three days for you to realize What he said. RM is and was rap wiper any day he wanted to be.
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"Where's he at? why is he not rapping like this today?"
Because the one - we know about - there clearly were others (because Agust D needed those cockroach traps in his mixtapes ) - who the three cyphers (mainly) were written for got himself landed in jail... It would be beneath RM to mention that one anymore.. ;D And he leaves Agust D to deal with haters and become a multi millionaire with his disstracks - I- I mean cockroach traps.. While RM took the higher road and started collecting art and paying to restored important historical Korean pieces for museums..
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We are there with you - they are such a good rappers that it feels like world is missing real talent when they do not rap. They are awesome musicians what ever they do, but It really feels like you hear their soul when they rap.
Awesome 😎
Just caught your first two paragraphs. Re: supreme boi he is still very much active and is credit in their solo albums JITB, face, RPWP as well as Proof, TXT, Le sserafim etc.
@@giakulasa Thank You ! 💜💜💜
I knew he was active, but I thought he was more active in his own carieer as a rapper. So good to be updated that he still is absolutely active and close as in-house producer. 💜
I highly recommend Right People Wrong Place by RM. Won a prize at the 2024 Berlin Commercial Awards.
44:08 This may sound repetitive but it's not, Jhope started as a dancer so people were trying to take advantage of this point and dissing him by saying you can't rap you are a dancer, these are dance moves, jhope always repeats them in the dancing practices, as I said, everything has a meaning
the best thing about the rap line, unlike other kpop groups is that they are FREE to explore music and they release and experiment with music. That's what actual artists are about. They don't have to prove anything to anyone anymore, because they are THIS good. Everything they release is a transcendent of the previous project.
A lot of things went over your head, by the way, mainly because you did not consider the time and context of the bars. Good reaction, though.
- The Korean “if a crow-tits (birds also known as parrotbills) walks like a stork it will break its legs” is an expresion frequently quoted as a reminder for people to remain in their lane, and is often used in relation to someone seemingly low-class trying to reach the upper echelons of society. By embracing the identity of a crow-tit, BTS take ownership of the underdog nature of their career path, and that of their generational peers trying to achieve success in a world that appears biased against them. - [Tamar Herman: BTS’ Most Political Lyrics: A Guide to Their Social Commentary on South Korean Society].
Majority of those disses are to other rappers not idols. Rm did not talked about repeating one word twice in a verse (which he sometimes does). Those translations on lyric videos are bad. Here is a proper translation from doolset:
"A ragtag bunch of nobodies, you should get some manners
Why do these incompetents who cannot even a verse
try to discuss rap or music
That’s how everyone here raps the same like this even now
They can only say three or two letters at a time
Everyone is a critical patient
Motherfather, aphasics, all those con men
Back yourself and look at the mirror"
About Suga verse : Yes he meant that.
Supreme Boi actually trained with BTS. He's a producer now at Big Hit and has worked on a LOT of BTS tracks, especially in their early days. He's still really good friends with some of the members too. Supposedly when BTS shifted from being a hip hop group to a pop group he decided to stop being a trainee and focused on producing instead. Which seems pretty reasonable. In one of the Suchwita episodes Suga brought him up and said how back in their trainee days the bottom of the rankings for dancing were always him, RM and Supreme Boi.
You mentioned how you wished they'd still rap like this now. Suga actually addressed this when he was doing the D-DAY tour. he talked about how in this era he still had a lot of anger in him. it's why his first mix-tape with the title tracks Agust D and Give It To Me are like that and the style gets softer and more introspective as it progresses into D-2 and D-DAY. His music really reflects how he was doing mentally and you can really see the shift in him as he grows to accept things and heal from his pain. It's why Amygdala was sort of an end to his arc as Agust D and why at the final D-DAY concert he walked through the door because it meant the future's going to be OK. He even stated that he wasn't sure if he was going to continue with the Agust D persona or if he was just going to put out everything as Suga in the future. ARMY did make sure to let him know though that we especially love his aggressive rap so hopefully he keeps on with it. We do really love to see him spitting fire like this.
I think that Suga's journey is also really similar to RM and J-Hope too in how their musical tone shifts. RM in particular moved in a very different direction in his solo work wheras Suga is the one that probably stayed the cloeset to the style in the Cypher songs. J-Hope went with very different vibes between his mix tape and album where Hope World was very hopeful and Jack in the Box was a lot heavier. All of them have really grown a lot from where they were 11 years ago and it shows.
As for V rapping on Cypher there's a funny story about that. In the behind the scenes of of the Bighit Family photoshootoshoot from 2020 someone asked RM who he'd like to make a cypher with and he immediately said Yeonjun of TXT. You can see Taehyung in the background and he makes such an offended face like "why are you inviting him when I AM RIGHT HERE". V's been pretty vocal about how he wants to do a Cypher but it still hasn't happened yet. Yeonjun hasn't featured yet either. Hopefully someday we'll get to see one or both of them on a track.
Finally the reaction I waited so long for. You can hear the hunger they had (specially RM) in the beginning. The 4th cypher was a little bit more calm. RM's raps have definitely calmed down with time. I miss the old RM. If you listen to his first self titled mixtape, you can hear/feel his hunger. I wish he did another album with that same energy. Don't get me wrong, RM is still dope, he just matured. Thanks for this reaction.
His recent album Right Place Wrong Person is definitely not calm
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I think that compared to his 1st mixtape (RM), it is. There was more anger and frustration in his 1st mixtape. He was rapping with that "I don't give a fuck" attitude. Now his raps are more of a "I have nothing to prove cause I made it" attitude. He still tells the haters to "fuck off" but now he does it in a calmer/softer way.
47:33 oh no he meant that in the sexual way 😂 he says his voice (his tongue makes his voice come out) makes you go to Hong Kong, which makes to make you come in SK. Also it could be taken literally, which would mean he could be bi or pan 😂
This rap line is something else. Then you can watch the Cypher Medley live! it is so hype!!!
Ddaeng is the unofficial 5th Cypher and deff needs to be checked out as well. And on a live version of that, the vocal line takes turns doing it. Maybe that's what people were thinking? Also, DKDK TV does an explained version of Ddaeng which is amazing. They are able to put Korean context into the nuanced things being said that westerners do not understand. It's great.
The worst thing that can happen is someone relying on these lyric vids for the translations for rapline's songs like they do not do justice at all.
To add, man in actual full on tracks that have a specific structure, there are definitely gonna be words that are repeated and for a reason. So, what is wrong with that pray tell. Also using words to create rhyme like rider, ride it like a biker, calling them repetitive is ridiculous to me.
As for you saying they don't rap like that anymore and when they come back from ARMY, are they gonna do pop hits and ballads in somewhat condescending tone doesn't sit right. They are part of a group which has 4 vocalists. The dynamic is different, they can't be going ham only showing themselves up. But still even in BTS songs, in their albums other than the title tracks or singles, we have rap heavy songs or rap solo tracks just as we have songs that are more for vocal lines as well. All 3 rappers' recent solo stuff has been pushing boundaries, exploring and experimenting and still showing why they are amazing rappers. They are just not as agressive and angry as they used to be, for which I don't begrudge them. They have said when they made cyphers they were at a different place mentally and now they have matured.They can't spend life just making angry diss track.But for their rap skills they still very much coming through and growing even fine and sharp with their solo works.And even with BTS stuff and mind you their last album came out back in 2021 if we don't count proof. So you can't exactly say why are they not rapping like this anymore man.
"My tongue will make you..... " Agrhhh he's so nasty and I love it
Definitely growth!! I'm not a huge fan if RMs recent album but he said he wants to experiment with different music. And all of them have changed over a decade and want to try new things. Maybe that's why rap remains as a hobby. They go back to it, but they're constantly evolving. Also, Suga has said he used to be so angry because they got so much hate, and they had to overcome a lot, but now he's not angry. I think there's less inspiration when you get it all out of your system. The last cypher kind of reflects that. Less anger and more focus on the fact that they know themselves now and things can't affect them the way they did when they were younger. You don't like me 🤷🏼♀️ Sorry 🤷🏼♀️
Worse than Beast Mode? Doom mode.
I took "I'm a doom boy" as I'm the one that's gonna finish you. I'm your last. I'm your doom. You can take it to any and all nuances from there. Like there's nobody that's gonna be as good as me, you're doomed, in any context -artistic, physical, personal-. My interpretation of it, though.
RM has commented before that he said what he had to say in the past and that now he is in a different place. If you check RPWP -his last work- you'll see where he's at now.
So many nuances are lost to those who don't speak Korean... RM plays with the commonalities in the pronunciation of words or syllables in either Korean or English... we'd need videos explaining those nuances for each of the rappers' songs, like the Ddaeng video that lasts 30 min explained from the point of view of someone bilingual in both Korean and English.
p.s. I see you're not familiar with SUGA's tongue technology (Agust D track on his self-titled first mixtape)
You should listen to the BTS old songs..the rap parts are crazy
Maybe start with their debut
I get what you're saying about wanting to hear them rap like this again I want them too as well, although I do feel like bts is a group that wants to produce things they like and they like a wide range of genres when it comes to music so I feel like it makes sense for them to come out with a lot more then just rap, I feel they will always be rappers at heart that like to dabble in lots of different things, great reaction btw!!
I should say more rap line instead of all of bts since thats who the videos more about lol
If you notice, the rithm of first rap is slow (RM), the second is more neutral and third finish more fast.
I LOVE YOU FOR WATCHING ALL OF THEIR CYPHERS!!!
NO ONE CAN MATCH BTS RAPLINE ENERGY IN THEIR EARLIER RAPS AND MUSIC. THEY WERE ABSOLUTELY RUTHLESS!!
I think ever since they were taken for Ambassadors for Unicef, they had to tone down their level of profanity. After Unicef, BTS music couldnt contain swear words or violence and the likes. Thats why the last cypher (Cypher pt. 4) was in 2016, and their Unicef collab was around 2017-2018.
Ill forever miss this ruthless bts rapline.
Can't wait to see you see and hear them do these live and the stadium going insane as we (ARMY) to the response where there's call and response and you see the swag on them. The 3 Kings have arrived.
I appreciate your understanding of the underlying messages. Difficult for me, hahahah. The best accurate lyrics are from Doolset. You can check them out whenever you want a real translation and some Korean cultural references that gives us a better understanding. Hey they have so many mixtapes and solo albums where they do their thing so well. The last RM´s Right Place, Wrong Person album is fire!!!!! My favorite is Nuts and Groin.
A thought about the English word being the rhyming syllable... Korean places the verb last in a sentence. And sometimes those verbs will be "is" or "isn't", "does" or "doesn't" etc so much harder to do novel rhymes in their languages as it is very rigidly structured.
Korean sentence structure isn't rigid at all. While Subject-Object-Verb is the standard word order, because it's a largely agglutinative language, you can actually put words in whatever order and the sentence still means the same thing. However, due to that agglutination, there are required ending particles, and I agree that probably makes it difficult to write novel rhymes.
It will be harder work breaking down rap lyrics and their word plays in a language we don’t speak. Language is highly embedded in culture, and in rap when this is taken even further, it can be way too many layers for people to be bothered with. One US music producer who somehow managed is SLEEP DEEZ. I can highly recommend you check out his channel.
"every kick is my freaking zone" does make sense...
he just doesn't want to think
I think some folks forget or don’t realize just how long BTS and specially RM and Suga have been doing music. When rappers are coming up, they for sure have a different hunger and aggression to them vs when they have “made it”. You can see it in their art, which is natural IMO. Reasonable Doubt Jay Z is very different from 4:44 Jay Z. The Block is Hot Wayne is very different from The Carter Wayne. These cyphers were released very early in their careers, over 10 years ago. I love hearing the contrast in their earlier work vs their newer stuff. And hearing them be much more reflective of themselves and the world around them.
And then you noticed how in the next lyric, j-hope uses the same word play to say different things, to show it can be done better.
if you want to hear present RM singing with the same "aggressive" energy he had back then you NEED to listen to his new album "Right Place Wrong Person"... the first four songs are him just giving into his anger and frustration with thins he had been keeping inside... its beautiful and full of emotion!!
It was so cool video, great reaction. Thanks 💜
Yeah, few lyrics you didn't get or it simply get over your head, hehe but thats ok, it is hard to catch all, especially in lyrics video. Also sometimes cultural meaning getting lost, or simply knowlage about them is more needed hmm.. like for example onomatopoeia are very popular in korean launguage sonthey use it a lot, it is simply part of speech.
I will try to write things that you wonder about, but I also only know what I learned reading translations end explsnations trhu years. Like I said I understand that we all can't gwt all in one go, but you did great! 💜
So I hope it helps...
1. 5:54 lyrics "... Imma don, don’t turn off the beat, becuz im not freakin done,
Don’t play around on the beat cuz every kick is my freaking zone" the kick is reference to the melody, in beat you fit in pockets, so He is saying every kick in beat is his zone - place he always fit... Hope you get what I try to say, especially bc you rap and i'm not really that great about rap lingo...
Then he ask "who your top 5?" And answer is "Rap Monster, Randa, leader, RapMon, your daddy" you are right here, ut us all him and with daddy line too but I it is simply sarcasm nothing to do with sons, I think ;) hehe..
2. 8:39 yeah you aren't far off, but they had problem with underground and hip hop fandoms not that much with idols, this part come later. And I know you really like Stray kids and Ateez, but both this bands debuted in 2018 and last Cypher was in 2016, and last Cypher is about letting go of hate and haters, bc we are above that. We don't know if plans for this two groups were even there when BTS had this anger behind them already. I mean I don't know bc I know only general things about this bands, I say this only bc there is huge time gape between BTS and this two groups and I don't say it as negative but as fact simply BTS had 5 years of fighting with all in their pocketc already and opened a lot of doors for new groups with this fights for hip hop and they moved on to find new things for themself. You may say 5 years isn't that long but in kpop world this are light years. So when this new bands in 2018 came that focused so much on hip hop a lot of negativity and refusal to accept hip hop groups around kpop were destroyed bc of BTS, it was open world for them then and they know it, they say it open to. Hmm 🤔 that's my opinion of course.
3. 12:47 no, RM isn't/wasen't Suga mentor, hm they started at the same time with rap, in their own cities, RM lived close to Seoul, but Suga is from Deagu, it is quiet far, both were rappers, but Suga also actually worked as producer in underground, he was more know for beats then rap at that time (before 2010). And bc Suga is older then RM it would be opposite actually hehe but in reality they treated themself as equal always, as brothers.
4. 15:20 hmm your take isn't bad and it makes sens. Nie I have to wonder and think about it bc I always thought that he isn't saying it about himself but it is still diss, that this pop world is huge it is hard to survive so you can only do rap as hobby not as job. But the way you put it also makes sens and sound good too... Next line also last line is "The world is going to the dogs if you feel guilty, try harder..." Dog in korea is negative world, so yeah for nie the world is going to this stinky people if you don't like it try harder,it would fit with your interoretation. 🤔 I will think about it 😉
5. Supreme boy was trainee at Big hit as potencial member for BTS, but he decided to become producer for Big hit, and co-produced some BTS song (like Cypher pt.3 here), he is also a rapper.
6. 22:54 "rap wiper" I always took it as snake with rap (?), he is fast, smart, sly and dengerous... But it is asumtion.
7. 37:53 "...the guys are smoking and girls cheating, I smoke beat, this is beat smoke..." it is word play in korean, so it is hard to get fully, bc literal translation would be that girl are smoking wind wich slangs for cheating but it hard to put on lyrics video but meaning is more about social gathering to simply put it, the guys are smoking girls are cheating, they don't do anythinig productive but lazy party and RM is making music he smokes beat he is on track rapping, so this is beat smoke. In 2017 he changed this line to be genderless bc both guys and girls can smoke and cheat.
8. 44:05 "I’ve got everything I want, tell them to look at me, Oh, I’m on top of the beat beat, wiggle wiggling, jingle jingling, roll rolling, beagle beagling" this makes a lot of sens for jhope bc he is talking about himself, and Jhope is dancer and his personality is very cheerful, he is very energetic and happy person, so he literally descripting himself bc he wiggle, roll and jingle on beat bc he is street dancer, but also in korean that is how you tell someone is joyfull, plus like I said at the begining in korean there is a lot of onomatopoeia used in everyday speach do they use it a lot in rap like RM with things you said (boom boom, doom doom, etc), and here is Jhope using ut too. So yeah it dosen't matter it is Cypher bc he is talking about himself and this is who he is so he rap as himself cheerful dancer, and if you look at it bc words he uses are normal aren't repetive really they sound almost the same but if you look at the lyrics they are little different. It is fun play with launguage with his personality
Pipi is sound of message coming beep beep in english.
9. 55:15 "Baepsae" was first, album before the album Cypher pt.4 was on, so like a year.
10. 58:37 they said it a lot lately (before military) that they don't have that anger anymore, they were starving back then, the have fight with anyone and everyone, every path they took it had so many things to go over or destroy or fight with that they had to give some much of themself, that with times they feld that they were empty or lose themself to again stand up and go to "war zone" of music industry. They also said it show in their eyes, when now they look at the old video's that how hungry they were, and they still have a lot of passion but they don't have this feeling of drowing at any moment.
To understand this more I would recomend song "Sea" by BTS with good lyrics, but it is hard song to react, bc it is hidden track you get only on physical album, so it get hit by YT copyrights always.
They rap like that on their mixtapes, but a lot of this rap in the cyphers were anger in their youth. The underground rap scene, where they started from, shit on them. After cypher 4 they had matured and basically butchered the haters so they had no more reason to keep talking about it. But their solo stuff is exactly this type of passion for rap. It’s what drew them to me bc I’ve always been a hip hop head before kpop ever was a factor. Thank you for giving them a listen. 💜
Yes V was rapping in one of the cyphers but just for fun not in the actual songs, but there is a live performance of the vocal line and rap line rapping together a song called Ddaeng
please react to THE LAST by SUGA pleaaaase 💜
BTS from the very beginning were treated very badly, other idols (not aol of them but like 75%) and rappers, but they decided to treat the next idol gen like they weren't treated and always gave advice and support, Suga said so during an interview on his show, they wanted to become the hyungs they didn't have. It's why I don't get or like the hate between fandoms. I've seen videos of them with some of the SK members, seventeen, and so many others and they show they're friends but you see the fandoms just hating on each other 😢
Supreme Boi is Shin Dong-hyuk, the South Korean Rapper and Producer and he's one of the Producers at BigHit. He was originally going to be part of BTS but didn't want to be part of an 'Idol' group and decided to be a Rapper/Producer with BigHit so yeah they still work together.
24:30 here he’s talking about a solo artist called Rain who has a song called Rainism in which he sings: “I’m gonna be a bad boy, I gotta be a bad boy.” It’s a huge older song in SK and BTS later (mostly JK) also covered it.
It’s actually a great song imo!
were you able to listen to RM's latest album? it is cathartic.
I dont think you understand how many korean rappers literally REPEAT lyrics over and over. Yes, RM repeats words for emphasis, rhythm, or intentionally doing so to prove a point, but others repeats lyrics cuz they ran out of ideas...
example: gucci gang gucci gang gucci gang~
You should check RM's new album Right Place Wrong person.. i love the whole album.. little sims is also featured in one of the tracks titled "domodachi"... this album is my favourite among all of the solo releases of the members.. also DDay by suga
The rap will always be there! If you truly knew anything about the rap line or all the members of BTS for that matter then you would understand their lyrics a lot better. When they use the repetitive words they have a meaning and a reason. Do your research on them, find out about all the crap they went through and how RM & Suga were treated by and talked down to by the underground rap scene they used to be a part of. Also, there are many words being lost in translation. They aren’t hypocritical & that was a rude statement when you’re making assumptions about what their lyrics mean. Not trying to be rude, just trying to get you to do your homework about them. They reference many things in their lyrics that you would never pick up on if you don’t know the backstories. Also, the song Pied Piper is a song based on a book.
Just because u didnt understand something doesn’t mean it’s nonsensical
I agree. I feel like he struggles to grasp the fact that a lot the the clever word play is lost in translation.. like imagine putting any English rap song into google translate Korean it would not hit as hard
"he didn't mean to break out in sexual meaning"... yes... yes he did.
PSY- although he was for a short time very famous for kangnam style in the west, he has always been and still is SUPER popular in Korea and Senior position to BTS and BTS gives PSY much high respect
Yes Psy is very big in Korea, like top of the top.
Gangnam style 😊 was huge yes, but he still has o lot of music.
He is famus bc his song are very sarcastic and social comentary in funny way but west didn't really get it.
Actually Gangnam style is also social comentary song, but I bet if you ask people outside Korea what it is about it would be empty stare.
Taehyung doesn't sing in Cypher, he sang ddaeng in the live performance ، I also recommend Cypher's live medley performance, it's the best ، 😢Please do not delay us in reaction with BTS
What always impresses me is that they switch between English and Korean throughout these lines and make it rhyme in both languages. The only one who speaks fluent English is RM. I don't know any western artist who can switch languages mid sentence and keep the rhythm and rhyme like they do.
The part about rap as Hobby he was not saying that he do rap as hobby he was basically calling out other so called rappers who raps as hobby
i read that as him saying those rappers should do rap as a hobby, since they aren't good enough to have it as a career
Not me punches the air every time he pauses right before the best part' coming. He even missed Suga's laugh at the end of Cypher pt.2😅😂
BTS !! They are awesome !! 😊
Supreme Boi is another producer from Big Hit.
When the members return and convene as BTS they will do whatever music they like, whether its Cyphers, pop, ballad - because they can do it all at the top level and they know ARMY will have their back. RM is the lyracist of those ballads and pop songs of BTS, they are just as valid as his rap work. BTS discography isnt just meaningless crap with a tune. The rapline have consistantly produced rap songs over their 10 years, youre not aware of it because you are still at the surface of their career output
The problem with the channel you got the videos from, they have not the best translations