I thought the ending was exactly what we'd get, tragic, heart breaking but realistic. He was an emotionally unstable kid from the start and getting all that power didn't do him any good. I think his explanation through the course of the last few episodes was poignant. It wasn't any one thing but a series of them. His own lack of sound judgement, his visceral hate and bloodlust and the that fact that if he didn't follow through, the alternative was more than he could bear. His promise to kill all the titans became a promise to kill anyone who threatened his loved ones. I also was so relieved to see him break down and act like himself again when speaking to Armin. It was nice to see he was still himself under that mask he had to wear for all the awful.things he needed to do. It's a shame people are letting a less than perfect end ruin their view of a fantastic show. It was never going to end well and I thought the show did a decent job of forecasting that through the series.
Interesting take! To be fair to the manga, one thing I think really affected how negatively people view the ending was the pacing. I think if the ending had been given more time to breathe perhaps it would have felt more satisfying, at least to me. I kind of don't hate the idea of the direction Eren took towards the end, feeling powerless and trapped by the future he saw, but I hate the execution of it.
This story was messed up the moment they introduced the time travel (or time manipulation) element to the story. Time based stories can be good but the temporal element must be constrained in some way otherwise the protagonists cease to be people any longer and become demi-gods of a kind. The origin of the of giant Titan producing insect is never adequately explained. This strips the Eldians of much of their responsibility because their power is not of their own.
A bit of a nerd correction: The country that Eren discovers outside of the wall isn't fascist nor would Eren use that term to describe it even if his people are second class citizens. Fascism is an actual ideology with actual beliefs and practices, it doesn't just mean "bad government doing bad things". If anything it was Eren's new Paradis which was the closest analog to fascism and basically a copy-paste of its style. Like how they purged friends and comrades because of their threat to the State. Fascism is fundamentally about the State being above all in society and all aspects of society having the ultimate end of supporting the State. This is why WWI Germany wasn't fascist nor was the colonial governments of Britain, nor Czarist Russia no matter how uncomfortable some of their practices may be to us or how unfree their people were or how militaristic they were.
There is a really good video on the channel A Man of Many Cats about Attack on Titan. It is very long and detailed but basically, Attack on Titan fails on a philosophical level because it's outwardly rejects violent facsism...but unfortunately accepts the pretty bleak worldview inherit in that ideology.
I disagree with your point on him having to doom his own mother to ensure that his younger self is set on the path that leads to the future, that adds to the tragedy of his character. With that being said, I agree with everything else, he expressing remorse does undercut every decision and turn it into “I had to do it bc the future said so” instead of “There was no other way because I am who I am and I’m at peace with that.”
Thanks! Yeah maybe the mum thing is more of a personal criticism for me, but I just felt like it made him a hypocrite and I dislike watching earlier seasons now where he's motivated by her death.
Eren was committed to the rumbling but was also deeply ashamed of his selfishness and cruelty. He was obsessed with his own idealization of what "freedom" was, but was ironically a slave to his own vision. He was infinitely fueled with the drive and mental fortitude to "always move forward", but he was completely void of the will to simple give up on the rumbling, despite how much suffering and destruction he knew it would cause. Eren was desperately counting on his friends to stop him because he was not free to stop on his own. When he yells at Hange while imprisoned, he's actually begging for Hange to have some sort of a way to stop him. When the alliance considers their options for stopping Eren, they realize that he has not taken away their titan powers. He left them in a position to stop him. I think you're looking at Eren the wrong way. He wasn't built up to be an epic hero only to be ruined, he was built up to be a selfish, childish, villain. His drive to always move forward is NOT his heroic quality, it's his tragic weakness. In order to get to the rumbling he sacrificed both of his parents and ruined his own life. He twisted his own life events to give his child self the motivation to fight and struggle to reach the end of the story. He doesn't understand why he did all that he did because he knew better. Eren shouldn't have ruined the lives of so many people to fulfill his selfish desire to cleanse the world but he couldn't keep himself from doing it anyways. Just like he told Reiner, that the both of them were the same. Selfishly ruining the lives of everyone around them to get what they want, consequences be damned.
It's an interesting point.... I think what I now really agree with you on is Eren ended up a selfish child. I still find it disappointing because I feel earlier he wasn't portrayed like this, perhaps the author's intention was once he saw the future he would be trapped in this way. But it makes him unlikeable and a fool rather than tragic, for failing to commit to his vision and then leaving his friends and people in a terrible situation, one which eventually leads to their doom anyway.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt It does make Eren less likeable and a fool. I used the term tragic because I feel that he's similar to a hero in a "Greek Tragedy." Someone who ultimately fails in their own story due to some great flaw of their personality. I don't really agree that he leaves the Eldians in a worse position, at least, not according to the story's own logic. Not only are the other nations going to be recovering from the rumbling for a long time, but the Eldian's lose their titan powers, which is one of the core reasons they were considered a threat in the first place. Not to mention that it's the 'heroes' of Paradis that fought to stop Eren in the first place, showing that his people don't stand for his actions. Which is SUPPOSED to mean that destroying Paradis shouldn't be a priority for anyone at that point, though I could understand an argument that people would want revenge on his race anyways. My understanding for Eren's final plan is that he didn't know he would be stopped until close to when it was going to happen. His visions of the future were incomplete until he became fully connected to Ymir and the Coordinate and all that. He was planning on fully committing to the rumbling and not being stopped, but later he saw that he was going to die short of his goals due to his refusal to kill his friends. So he made a new plan to die in a way that would make his friends out to be heroes for stopping him, but it wasn't his original goal. This is all speculation of course, parts of this I picked up from other people.
I am so disappointed with this ending. i remember certain scenes from season 4 that were burned into my brain by hype. I remember Eren saying "who is a slave?" to Armin and how good it was. And then you find out... that was all a play? The ending really messed it up, how can I now enjoy the conviction and will strength of Eren in season 4 when I now know where it ends? In my opinion the ending of Attack on Titan was a retcon, nothing will change my mind on it. And honestly it would be so easy to have a great ending. Just make Eren continue the rumbling killing everything in his path and then live his last years being miserable any feeling the crushing guilt for it. Or even make him go completely crazy or something. Or I honestly also would not have a problem with him being happy after that haha, tho I understand that it would be a bad message to have genocide be the solution... but I want to point out one last fact on the morality of Attack on Titan, namely that Erens decision is being portrayed as the worst ever. But in this situation, Eren poseses the greatest power is the universe but he basically can only use it this one time. If he didn't use it, Marley would have destroyed the Paradise. Going through with it is cruel but the only alternative is another genocide, namely of Eren and his people. So at the end, the message of AoT is quite a toxic one: fighting back with violence is wrong. But Eren and the people from Paradis have the right to defend themselves. Too bad, the story basically did not give them any other realistic opportunity.
I feel the exact same as you. AoT was one of the few times where I've been genuinely really upset by the ending, I was in a state of shock after reading the final manga chapter. And, as you said, the ending is so poorly done that it retroactively destroys the entire series, it's impossible to watch earlier scenes with Eren after knowing what happens in the end. Good point about the morality of the ending, I think the mistake the author made was backing everybody into a corner. The world at large was portrayed as being so hell bent on the eradication of the Eldians that there was no room left for negotiation. I do think he changed the ending at the last minute, for whatever reason I can't fathom. But it's such a shame, there are scenes in the earlier anime which gave me literal chills in a way no other show has.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I'm not sure why so many watchers think the world at large is hell bent on destroying Paradis. When you state something, you have to back it up with factual data that has been tested through methodological research (sampling ppopulation, etc) or else anything can be the truth. The conclusion of "World at large is hostile" came mostly from soldier and nations leader statement. Even Gabi's friend who clamied no country except Marley treats Eldia best should not be taken by granted. His experience doesn't represent the world. It's hypocritical of being angry that the world doesn't fully research that paradis is not a devil by not fully research that the entire world is not comically evil either. Ramzi, Halil, and the babies are definitely not evil. While sometimes a leader reflect the people. Lot of times, the leader doesn't represent the people and only care about themselves. I also found it odd that most AoT watchers seems to ignore that it was Zeke who proposed the idea of declaring war against Paradis by using Tybur family. The Tybur family excecuted it and Eren ensure it's success by literally assaulted them second after declaration thus ensuring the world that Paradis is devilish country. Willy Tybur said it himself that he has to die a martyr in front of global leaders representation to ensure Paradis is a monster while also making Eldia in Marley as victim. It's not just the "world" when Zeke and Eren literally staged it up so the conflict that mostly between Marley and Paradis now escalated into global conflict. Look the ending ain't perfect but this mindset of statements and action of certain soldiers or leaders or people in a doctrined country used as a concrete evidence that the entire world is enemy is such a dangerous mindset. Also Eren statement to Ramzi is this: "For Eldia, For Paradis BUT THERE IS MORE TO THAT...." The rest is him explaining how dissapointed he is at the outside world and he wanted this to happen. Keywords here is that he said there is more than just simply to protect his people. That's not the only motive. He genuinely want to see an empty world that fullfill his freedom vision when he was a child. Now maybe you're talking what is the solution: Imo since Marley is also hated by many countries and the fact that Tybur family was the one that rules Marley and also an eldia. Paradis can capitalize on that by offering their titan crystal resources to countries that hate Marley to show that Paradis is non-hostile while also investigate Marley and if manage to find out Tybur as the actual ruler, you can spread the fact that Marley is run by Eldian as another backup plan by kinda lying "hey, actually the eldia family oppressor 100 years ago hides behind marley instead of Paradis", a dangerous double edged sword plan since it could make the world just straight out declare both Paradis and Marley as enemies but at least the hatred is not totally focused on Paradis. The small scale Rumbling as last resort should be ready at any time as showcase of Paradis will fight back but also hold back. To show that if they want to destroy the world, they can but choose not to show that Paradis wants to live side by side with other nations. Have Eren try this? Nopeee...he tried his best to find alternative solution BY HIMSELF instead of thinking together. He bears everything himself and that is the tragedy instead of telling Armin about his future knowledge which can be useful information. Maybe Isyama should have made this more explicit and fleshed out. I saw AoT as a story about how easy it is to fall into extreme ideology such as Frizt Eldian Empire, Marley with it's eldian titan exploitation, Yeagerist, etc. The ending doesn't show a cycle, it shows a spiral. Not a cyclical history but a dialectical one. There is a pattern but also something different. In this case, a boy with a dog walking into the tree instead of a injured girl chased by dog forced to hide by entering the tree. World peace is a constant struggle but what Eren wants is just for his friends and descendsnt to live long peaceful life for temporary but long period, hundreds or maybe thousand years. Looking at it from that perspective, Eren's goal is pretty much successful.
Amazing video I completely agree with you, I think if Erin hadn't killed his own Mum and either flattened the world or died trying this could have been up there as an all time great along with Cowboy Bebop and Death Note as an anime you can recommend to non anime fans to show how good the genre can be, instead attack on titan now goes in the can't watch again pile along with game of thrones. This kinds of stories are only as good as their ending, you can watch scrubs till the end of season 8, enjoy it and shrug off the 9th season because you can get away with a bad ending in a comedy series but you just can't with something like attack on titan which is a shame because there is so much amazing story there. As a side note I wonder if Isayama just didn't want to have the same ending as the eternal champion and thats why we got what we got.
Thank you! Yeah to borrow from a meme, we were this close to greatness with the AoT ending. Just a few tweaks, or a few different decisions, and it could have been such an amazing closing. I feel the exact same as you, the whole series has been poisoned for me now I can't even rewatch it. It's possible, I think he definitely had a different ending in mind. And he changed it either to try and make his story more distinct, or possibly someone swayed his opinion.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt You're welcome and thanks for making this video, there are a lot of people who think the ending was great so it's good to see I'm not the only one who thinks the ending was a disappointment. It's such a long series too and it's heartbreaking to see so much good work be let down by such a pitiful ending and that's how I feel about it, Erin was pitiful at the end and it made the ending pitiful. Like you said it was only a few tweaks away from brilliance and being and all time great which is the tragic part. I would not be surprised if he changed the original ending either because of how he believed his ending would be perceived or because of pressure from other people, it certainly wouldn't be the first time it's happened which is a shame because if the Greeks taught us anything it's that tragedies can be brilliant stories we just need writers with the courage to follow through, the whole series was leading up to an impossible decision and the middle road ending we got felt like such a cop out.
Haha yeah my channel is relatively new still and when I started I really had a lot of problems to work through, especially with the audio. It's a shame some of my older videos have much worse quality, I thought about taking them down but until I feel like I'm no longer "new" I'll probably leave them up.
Exactly, you can't just wash your hands from what you did after you've done it. It shows lack of commitment from the character and worse from the author. Erens actions and his defeat should lead to the end of his friends.
Yep it just reeks of trying to please everyone and ending up with everyone unhappy. I personally feel like the author got cold feet and tried to change the ending right near the end.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt very likely. I think he had too much of an attachment to his character at the end, And felt like the characters choices and fate reflected on him. He's been so ruthless and logical with every other character why make an exception here?
I'd like to one day, I think since the channel is still fairly new I want to focus on improving things with each video for now, then perhaps in the future I'd like to reshoot some of my earlier videos with better scripts, editing and audio.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt its literally Same like berthold He put out only a facade all this time and when that facade blew out they became pathetic Berthold looked so different and confident when he transformed in the colossal titan in return to shiganshina But he cried pathetically when he was being eaten by armin
@@AM17titan Yeah, I have to say I found the scene were Berthold broke down at the end immensely satisfying - for someone who tried to claim they'd accepted the outcome.
I thought the ending was exactly what we'd get, tragic, heart breaking but realistic. He was an emotionally unstable kid from the start and getting all that power didn't do him any good.
I think his explanation through the course of the last few episodes was poignant. It wasn't any one thing but a series of them. His own lack of sound judgement, his visceral hate and bloodlust and the that fact that if he didn't follow through, the alternative was more than he could bear. His promise to kill all the titans became a promise to kill anyone who threatened his loved ones. I also was so relieved to see him break down and act like himself again when speaking to Armin. It was nice to see he was still himself under that mask he had to wear for all the awful.things he needed to do.
It's a shame people are letting a less than perfect end ruin their view of a fantastic show. It was never going to end well and I thought the show did a decent job of forecasting that through the series.
Interesting take! To be fair to the manga, one thing I think really affected how negatively people view the ending was the pacing. I think if the ending had been given more time to breathe perhaps it would have felt more satisfying, at least to me. I kind of don't hate the idea of the direction Eren took towards the end, feeling powerless and trapped by the future he saw, but I hate the execution of it.
This story was messed up the moment they introduced the time travel (or time manipulation) element to the story. Time based stories can be good but the temporal element must be constrained in some way otherwise the protagonists cease to be people any longer and become demi-gods of a kind. The origin of the of giant Titan producing insect is never adequately explained. This strips the Eldians of much of their responsibility because their power is not of their own.
Agree on both counts. I was thinking of doing a separate video about the perils of time travel in stories, honestly 9 times out of 10 it's done badly.
The time travel itself ain't bad but the implications of Eren having done everything almost made his character nihilistic.
A bit of a nerd correction:
The country that Eren discovers outside of the wall isn't fascist nor would Eren use that term to describe it even if his people are second class citizens.
Fascism is an actual ideology with actual beliefs and practices, it doesn't just mean "bad government doing bad things".
If anything it was Eren's new Paradis which was the closest analog to fascism and basically a copy-paste of its style.
Like how they purged friends and comrades because of their threat to the State.
Fascism is fundamentally about the State being above all in society and all aspects of society having the ultimate end of supporting the State.
This is why WWI Germany wasn't fascist nor was the colonial governments of Britain, nor Czarist Russia no matter how uncomfortable some of their practices may be to us or how unfree their people were or how militaristic they were.
Very interesting, appreciate you taking the time to explain it! I'll note that for the future.
There is a really good video on the channel A Man of Many Cats about Attack on Titan. It is very long and detailed but basically, Attack on Titan fails on a philosophical level because it's outwardly rejects violent facsism...but unfortunately accepts the pretty bleak worldview inherit in that ideology.
I disagree with your point on him having to doom his own mother to ensure that his younger self is set on the path that leads to the future, that adds to the tragedy of his character. With that being said, I agree with everything else, he expressing remorse does undercut every decision and turn it into “I had to do it bc the future said so” instead of “There was no other way because I am who I am and I’m at peace with that.”
Thanks! Yeah maybe the mum thing is more of a personal criticism for me, but I just felt like it made him a hypocrite and I dislike watching earlier seasons now where he's motivated by her death.
Eren values his friends over paradis. But this works well because it stops the full genocide
But he still leaves his friends in a terrible position, but not following through all the way and bailing out early.
Eren was committed to the rumbling but was also deeply ashamed of his selfishness and cruelty.
He was obsessed with his own idealization of what "freedom" was, but was ironically a slave to his own vision.
He was infinitely fueled with the drive and mental fortitude to "always move forward", but he was completely void of the will to simple give up on the rumbling, despite how much suffering and destruction he knew it would cause.
Eren was desperately counting on his friends to stop him because he was not free to stop on his own.
When he yells at Hange while imprisoned, he's actually begging for Hange to have some sort of a way to stop him.
When the alliance considers their options for stopping Eren, they realize that he has not taken away their titan powers. He left them in a position to stop him.
I think you're looking at Eren the wrong way. He wasn't built up to be an epic hero only to be ruined, he was built up to be a selfish, childish, villain.
His drive to always move forward is NOT his heroic quality, it's his tragic weakness. In order to get to the rumbling he sacrificed both of his parents and ruined his own life. He twisted his own life events to give his child self the motivation to fight and struggle to reach the end of the story.
He doesn't understand why he did all that he did because he knew better. Eren shouldn't have ruined the lives of so many people to fulfill his selfish desire to cleanse the world but he couldn't keep himself from doing it anyways. Just like he told Reiner, that the both of them were the same. Selfishly ruining the lives of everyone around them to get what they want, consequences be damned.
It's an interesting point.... I think what I now really agree with you on is Eren ended up a selfish child. I still find it disappointing because I feel earlier he wasn't portrayed like this, perhaps the author's intention was once he saw the future he would be trapped in this way. But it makes him unlikeable and a fool rather than tragic, for failing to commit to his vision and then leaving his friends and people in a terrible situation, one which eventually leads to their doom anyway.
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It does make Eren less likeable and a fool. I used the term tragic because I feel that he's similar to a hero in a "Greek Tragedy." Someone who ultimately fails in their own story due to some great flaw of their personality.
I don't really agree that he leaves the Eldians in a worse position, at least, not according to the story's own logic.
Not only are the other nations going to be recovering from the rumbling for a long time, but the Eldian's lose their titan powers, which is one of the core reasons they were considered a threat in the first place. Not to mention that it's the 'heroes' of Paradis that fought to stop Eren in the first place, showing that his people don't stand for his actions. Which is SUPPOSED to mean that destroying Paradis shouldn't be a priority for anyone at that point, though I could understand an argument that people would want revenge on his race anyways.
My understanding for Eren's final plan is that he didn't know he would be stopped until close to when it was going to happen. His visions of the future were incomplete until he became fully connected to Ymir and the Coordinate and all that. He was planning on fully committing to the rumbling and not being stopped, but later he saw that he was going to die short of his goals due to his refusal to kill his friends. So he made a new plan to die in a way that would make his friends out to be heroes for stopping him, but it wasn't his original goal. This is all speculation of course, parts of this I picked up from other people.
I am so disappointed with this ending. i remember certain scenes from season 4 that were burned into my brain by hype. I remember Eren saying "who is a slave?" to Armin and how good it was. And then you find out... that was all a play? The ending really messed it up, how can I now enjoy the conviction and will strength of Eren in season 4 when I now know where it ends?
In my opinion the ending of Attack on Titan was a retcon, nothing will change my mind on it. And honestly it would be so easy to have a great ending. Just make Eren continue the rumbling killing everything in his path and then live his last years being miserable any feeling the crushing guilt for it. Or even make him go completely crazy or something. Or I honestly also would not have a problem with him being happy after that haha, tho I understand that it would be a bad message to have genocide be the solution...
but I want to point out one last fact on the morality of Attack on Titan, namely that Erens decision is being portrayed as the worst ever. But in this situation, Eren poseses the greatest power is the universe but he basically can only use it this one time. If he didn't use it, Marley would have destroyed the Paradise. Going through with it is cruel but the only alternative is another genocide, namely of Eren and his people. So at the end, the message of AoT is quite a toxic one: fighting back with violence is wrong. But Eren and the people from Paradis have the right to defend themselves. Too bad, the story basically did not give them any other realistic opportunity.
I feel the exact same as you. AoT was one of the few times where I've been genuinely really upset by the ending, I was in a state of shock after reading the final manga chapter. And, as you said, the ending is so poorly done that it retroactively destroys the entire series, it's impossible to watch earlier scenes with Eren after knowing what happens in the end.
Good point about the morality of the ending, I think the mistake the author made was backing everybody into a corner. The world at large was portrayed as being so hell bent on the eradication of the Eldians that there was no room left for negotiation. I do think he changed the ending at the last minute, for whatever reason I can't fathom. But it's such a shame, there are scenes in the earlier anime which gave me literal chills in a way no other show has.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I'm not sure why so many watchers think the world at large is hell bent on destroying Paradis.
When you state something, you have to back it up with factual data that has been tested through methodological research (sampling ppopulation, etc) or else anything can be the truth.
The conclusion of "World at large is hostile" came mostly from soldier and nations leader statement. Even Gabi's friend who clamied no country except Marley treats Eldia best should not be taken by granted. His experience doesn't represent the world.
It's hypocritical of being angry that the world doesn't fully research that paradis is not a devil by not fully research that the entire world is not comically evil either. Ramzi, Halil, and the babies are definitely not evil.
While sometimes a leader reflect the people. Lot of times, the leader doesn't represent the people and only care about themselves.
I also found it odd that most AoT watchers seems to ignore that it was Zeke who proposed the idea of declaring war against Paradis by using Tybur family. The Tybur family excecuted it and Eren ensure it's success by literally assaulted them second after declaration thus ensuring the world that Paradis is devilish country.
Willy Tybur said it himself that he has to die a martyr in front of global leaders representation to ensure Paradis is a monster while also making Eldia in Marley as victim.
It's not just the "world" when Zeke and Eren literally staged it up so the conflict that mostly between Marley and Paradis now escalated into global conflict.
Look the ending ain't perfect but this mindset of statements and action of certain soldiers or leaders or people in a doctrined country used as a concrete evidence that the entire world is enemy is such a dangerous mindset.
Also Eren statement to Ramzi is this:
"For Eldia, For Paradis BUT THERE IS MORE TO THAT...."
The rest is him explaining how dissapointed he is at the outside world and he wanted this to happen.
Keywords here is that he said there is more than just simply to protect his people. That's not the only motive. He genuinely want to see an empty world that fullfill his freedom vision when he was a child.
Now maybe you're talking what is the solution:
Imo since Marley is also hated by many countries and the fact that Tybur family was the one that rules Marley and also an eldia.
Paradis can capitalize on that by offering their titan crystal resources to countries that hate Marley to show that Paradis is non-hostile while also investigate Marley and if manage to find out Tybur as the actual ruler, you can spread the fact that Marley is run by Eldian as another backup plan by kinda lying "hey, actually the eldia family oppressor 100 years ago hides behind marley instead of Paradis", a dangerous double edged sword plan since it could make the world just straight out declare both Paradis and Marley as enemies but at least the hatred is not totally focused on Paradis.
The small scale Rumbling as last resort should be ready at any time as showcase of Paradis will fight back but also hold back. To show that if they want to destroy the world, they can but choose not to show that Paradis wants to live side by side with other nations.
Have Eren try this? Nopeee...he tried his best to find alternative solution BY HIMSELF instead of thinking together. He bears everything himself and that is the tragedy instead of telling Armin about his future knowledge which can be useful information.
Maybe Isyama should have made this more explicit and fleshed out.
I saw AoT as a story about how easy it is to fall into extreme ideology such as Frizt Eldian Empire, Marley with it's eldian titan exploitation, Yeagerist, etc.
The ending doesn't show a cycle, it shows a spiral. Not a cyclical history but a dialectical one. There is a pattern but also something different. In this case, a boy with a dog walking into the tree instead of a injured girl chased by dog forced to hide by entering the tree.
World peace is a constant struggle but what Eren wants is just for his friends and descendsnt to live long peaceful life for temporary but long period, hundreds or maybe thousand years. Looking at it from that perspective, Eren's goal is pretty much successful.
Amazing video I completely agree with you, I think if Erin hadn't killed his own Mum and either flattened the world or died trying this could have been up there as an all time great along with Cowboy Bebop and Death Note as an anime you can recommend to non anime fans to show how good the genre can be, instead attack on titan now goes in the can't watch again pile along with game of thrones. This kinds of stories are only as good as their ending, you can watch scrubs till the end of season 8, enjoy it and shrug off the 9th season because you can get away with a bad ending in a comedy series but you just can't with something like attack on titan which is a shame because there is so much amazing story there.
As a side note I wonder if Isayama just didn't want to have the same ending as the eternal champion and thats why we got what we got.
Thank you! Yeah to borrow from a meme, we were this close to greatness with the AoT ending. Just a few tweaks, or a few different decisions, and it could have been such an amazing closing. I feel the exact same as you, the whole series has been poisoned for me now I can't even rewatch it.
It's possible, I think he definitely had a different ending in mind. And he changed it either to try and make his story more distinct, or possibly someone swayed his opinion.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt You're welcome and thanks for making this video, there are a lot of people who think the ending was great so it's good to see I'm not the only one who thinks the ending was a disappointment. It's such a long series too and it's heartbreaking to see so much good work be let down by such a pitiful ending and that's how I feel about it, Erin was pitiful at the end and it made the ending pitiful. Like you said it was only a few tweaks away from brilliance and being and all time great which is the tragic part.
I would not be surprised if he changed the original ending either because of how he believed his ending would be perceived or because of pressure from other people, it certainly wouldn't be the first time it's happened which is a shame because if the Greeks taught us anything it's that tragedies can be brilliant stories we just need writers with the courage to follow through, the whole series was leading up to an impossible decision and the middle road ending we got felt like such a cop out.
Wow, I can really sense your new mic compared to this video.
Haha yeah my channel is relatively new still and when I started I really had a lot of problems to work through, especially with the audio. It's a shame some of my older videos have much worse quality, I thought about taking them down but until I feel like I'm no longer "new" I'll probably leave them up.
Don't delete them! I think it's a great way to show progress@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt
Exactly, you can't just wash your hands from what you did after you've done it. It shows lack of commitment from the character and worse from the author. Erens actions and his defeat should lead to the end of his friends.
Yep it just reeks of trying to please everyone and ending up with everyone unhappy. I personally feel like the author got cold feet and tried to change the ending right near the end.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt very likely. I think he had too much of an attachment to his character at the end, And felt like the characters choices and fate reflected on him. He's been so ruthless and logical with every other character why make an exception here?
@@dhanu_4539 Fumbled at the last hurdle! Unfortunately a lot of anime and shows have this problem.
You should upload old videos with new mic
I'd like to one day, I think since the channel is still fairly new I want to focus on improving things with each video for now, then perhaps in the future I'd like to reshoot some of my earlier videos with better scripts, editing and audio.
You should make another video like this with ur new mic
Hmm yeah I should, I wonder if I can re record the same audio. Do you think I should remove this video?
oh shit a villain finally realised his mistake maybe its bad storytelling i guess like walter white , kira from deathnote ?
It's not a bad idea, in theory, but I think the execution was done really poorly. In Breaking Bad it was done really well.
I don't think Walter White really regretted anything except the fact that lost at something.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt its literally
Same like berthold
He put out only a facade all this time
and when that facade blew out they became pathetic
Berthold looked so different and confident when he transformed in the colossal titan in return to shiganshina
But he cried pathetically when he was being eaten by armin
@@yggdrasil2 I think he realised his mistake but yea he didn’t regretted it like you said
@@AM17titan Yeah, I have to say I found the scene were Berthold broke down at the end immensely satisfying - for someone who tried to claim they'd accepted the outcome.