A strategy I used for the Shiva fight was using the Magutsuhi Skill Accursed Poison. It is a skill exclusive to the Avian race, that debiltates all enemies, and guarantees status ailments, even on Bosses who null them. More often then not, it sealed all enemy skills, and made it so no enemy could use turns several times.
Idun is definitely the developer wife character, but that's okay because I'm pretty sure everyone loves her anyways. My favorite thing about this game is how you can just bring whatever demons you like to the end of the game thanks to grimoires and essence fusion.
Critical zealot/crit charge MC with both almighty boosts, abyssal mask, enduring soul, and null/repel phys for is the true super boss killer build. It works for Shiva and for Demifiend. Charge is sadly not as good as it used to be and Domni Gladi is dogwater. Gladi is only about a 1.4/1.5 boost to damage and charge is only 1.8 now instead of 2.2x. Which makes crit zelot the better damage option with crit charge
Whose dumb idea was it to nerf Charge? I get Gladi and the other one having reduced power since it's targetable, but lowering Charge below 2.5x kinda defeats the point of Charging outside of MP conservation I guess.
Do you happen to know the damage for impaler's animus? I know that the main appeal is the pierce effect but I still would like to know the damage boost it gives.
Idun really is great for boss plans. My trick was to keep one of the enemies alive. Which seemed to control how often he used his aoe against me. So less turns trying to clear that debuff.
Just beat him! I did it at level 86 with almighty str mc, Idun, cleopatra and Gabriel. From what I can tell, only the snake can heal - always kill the snake. I ignored all other summons the majority of the time. To do it at a lowish level, you need a herald to cast God's shield anytime he uses impaler animus or begins gathering magatsushi - sometimes your own magatsushi won't be ready then you just have to damage control and recover.
I've done this fight like 8 times already. I've come very close to 1/3rd of his health left. From my strategy I have Garuda to use Accursed Poison to cast Seal so he is unable to use his skills. I could easily take out Ananta but it takes away from me trying to damage Shiva because he constantly summons him back every turn. I need to get more Incense and Balms to gain more stats if I want to deal more damage and hopefully finally finish him off
@@IamJerf there's no easy way to farm balm and incense. What level are you? You can try refusing your demons with higher level demons to get better stats. My Idun and Cleo had about 120 magic and 100 vit, Gabriel had 100 magic and mc had about 120 strength. It's very much a marathon rather than a race. You need to kill snake and damage shiva when it's convenient. As always, exploit press turns.
@@josephlck I just beat him now!!! So my MC and majority of my demons were at level 95-96 and so I had extra grimoires and gospels to level up the main teams and a few others to max 99. Idun had about 112 Magic and 60 Vitality and Killing Wind +9 to help take out Ananta fast, Gabriel had 100 even on both Magic and Vit. Odin I think had 93 Strength with everything stacked on Physical attack buffs to increase Gungnir's damage, I had a backup ice user (Anahita) in case Gabriel ran out of MP and didn't need to waste a Chakra Pot. Surprisingly my Anahita had great stats with 96 Mag & Vit and 75 Agility & Luck. I had Ishtar for the Luster Candy I kept the same strategy spamming Accursed Poison to cast Seal on Shiva and was lucky he was able to stay sealed for a long while without breaking free too early. Once I kept up the damage and got him finally to the red bar, I had the Magatsuhi bar at max and used Omagatoki: Critical to finally end him (that part was extremely risky but I was glad I dealt 2000-4000 damage to him with each Demon and my MC)
I saved all my gospel till endgame and used 15 of them to get to level 99 to face this guy. I used Mettatron, Beezebub, and Vishnu for the fight, while switching to a demon of the Avian Race to use Accursed Poison so Shiva couldn't use skills.
I fought Shiva yesterday morning. It took me 50 minutes. I did not have Murakumo, nor Idun. He full demon wiped my team twice, and I was able to get back out with Eternal Prayer both times. I just discovered that Murakumo was a thing while looking through essences today.
I'm not quite to the point where I can take on the superboss, I saved before the final few boss fights since I had to go, but I'm looking forward to facing Shiva
So far I've only gotten 2/3rd of his health down with a Magic build but Stull had enough Strength to make use of Murakumo. Still need to grind to level up to 99 with the other demons as well to hopefully maybe give off more stats to deal extra damage
My team at level 98 MC Protag: Null to everything (Null Light, Ice, Fire, Phys with Amanozako affinity) Yabusame Shot to get extra turns. Idun with Resist Elec added on Yoshitsune (not as powerful as yours) made up for lack of power with Murderous Glee and Dragon Eye Gabriel (comes in at the end with Ice Age) Vishnu (same setup) Beelzebub (was the replacement with Debilitate and used his stronger dark attacks for the snake)
My strategy is actually very similar to how you fight demi fiend Make sure every turn or every other turn you kill his allies so he uses torivus, and calls allies. Then use -spoiler demon- with high heal pleroma and use her debuff/buff healing move. It's hard to do thanks to the mp cost of that strategy, but it's how I did it.
@@fireheart4560 Not if you fuse Idun again later with the stat bonus miracles which she can start with +17 and spoiler is likey going to miss the full effect of the prayer miracles too. My Idun had all around higher stats than spoiler, with few incenses on her vitality only.
figured I'd ask you since you speed run xbc, but do you think smt v is a decent speed run candidate? on one end the semi open world makes it easy to skip things on the other, lv seems too important to avoid grinding
Just beat this dude tonight on a hard fresh save with no deaths after at least 10 previous tries. Ironic because the previous attempt before winning my MC died twice (whittled goat) after making a lot of progress so I put enduring soul on him. My party was MC with the physical/almighty skill and both critical chance skills stacked, Gabriel with the ice magic, Beelzebub with the debilitate and ice magic, and Lakshmi with heals, dekunda and luster candy. All level 99. People say this fight on hard (and hard mode in general) forces you to use items and that was definitely true for me. I ended up using all 10 dark gems for press turns/damage against Ananta as well as Ice gems against Shiva himself, not to mention bead chains, somas, amirita showers, etc. As far as magatsuhi skills I exclusively used god's shield. It was the only way I could consistently get out damage and not waste turns. In previous attempts I used the critical skill but the damage wasn't worth getting bogged down. Also worth noting I never attacked any summons besides Ananta. It's interesting watching other people fight this boss and seeing Parvati and Dakini having never seen them myself.
Yeah I could really use some help here. I've done this fight like 8 times already. I've come very close to 1/3rd of his health left. From my strategy I have Garuda to use Accursed Poison to cast Seal so he is unable to use his skills, Idun for healing and buffs, Ishtar cuz I gave her Luster Candy, and Anahita for Ice damage (I do have Gabriel and Raphael). I could easily take out Ananta but it takes away from me trying to damage Shiva because he constantly summons him back every turn. I need to get more Incense and Balms to gain more stats if I want to deal more damage and hopefully finally finish him off. What were the skillsets you have for your MC? I have Murakumo +9, Ruinous Thunder +5, Revival Chant +3, Impaler's Animus +3 (I had Critical Aura before and I'm having a hard time which one helps deal more damage), Almighty Pleroma, Crit Zealot, Murderous Glee, and Enduring Soul.
@@IamJerf my MC is totally specd into strength, it's >150. As far as skills go at the time off the top of my head it was Murakumo, charge (not impalers animus since as far as I know only mitamas actually resist almighty), bloody and murderous glee stacked, high almighty and almighty pleromas stacked, enduring soul, and then null dark to cover my weakness. Gabriel was my main damage dealer to Shiva actually, had the severe ice skill and both ice pleromas stacked, can't remember the other skills but they were all passives, didn't even have impalers animus or concentrate since it was exclusively going for Shivas weakness and I didn't want to waste turns powering up. Also used god's shield when I thought Shivas almighty skills were otw. Even though beelzebub knew ice age and death flies anytime I needed it to do damage I used gems since he was mainly casting debilitate and his support affinity was only 2 so it took up a ton of MP, and my strat involved only targeting Shiva and Ananta so I didn't use multi target attacks. Lakshmi was the heals/support with mediarahan, dekunda to deal with the defense drop from Shivas almighty skill, and luster candy for buffs. She also had debilitate but like I said I used beelzebub for this more often to cast both luster candy and debilitate in a single turn when I could. I would usually have Beelzebub use a dark gem on Ananta and then the MC attack since it was my main priority to kill Ananta to prevent heals though as far as I know you always have 2 turns to do this since Ananta will always buff once before before healing. It's worth noting since I posted my comment I've fought Shiva 3 more times on hard with a different strategy thats worked better imo but it involves post game and dlc characters. Also what you asked about imaplers animus and critical aura, my reasoning is like this: critical aura is good for the physical skills with low accuracy since it guarantees 100% accuracy on top of the critical but other than those low accuracy physical moves I'd use impalers animus since it charges and adds pierce for both magic and physical (I only even realized it worked with magic because of Shiva lol). It has more utility imo. Even with skills that do more damage when critical hitting I think you are better off with impalers animus and bloody/murderous glee (stacked if possible) for when you do actually critical. I do have a couple late game demons with physical builds that do use critical aura and critical zealot since their main damage move is figment slash, but the majority of my damage dealers phys or magic use impalers animus. Most of them focus on a single element with a severe multi-target, both pleromas stacked, and impalers animus. That way I don't have to worry about some enemy in a group nullifying or draining/reflecting, and it does 1.8x damage I think.
@@itsaboy213 thanks for the reminder about Ananta's Dark weakness. I've been mostly using Wind and Almighty damage against it lol. I feel bad that I put all of my focus on Magic in the MC stats. Mind you this isnt my first SMT game and I've mostly done Physical build so I wanted to do something differently. Then I see Murakumo and felt really bad about my decision lol. Quick question, which Demon has High Almighty Pleroma? I want to assume Metatron but I haven't fought him yet cuz I wanna beat Shiva first. I didn't buy the DLCs either cuz I wanted to go through this without something like Cleopatra and Artemis. I'll maybe switch out Anahita for Gabriel to see how it fairs out but I think maybe I might need to fix the skills it has. I just find using Accursed Poison more useful because it stops Shiva from doing anything but the only downside is that there are times where he cures too early and would either use Almighty skills or go for Impaler's Animus for piercing before I have my Magatsuhi gauge at max. All of my high level Demons aren't at lv99, most of them are at 95 and I'm at 96 so I feel that maybe I should grind more to get them all maxed out and possibly more Incense and Balms to boost more stats to increase damage
@@IamJerf I looked it up and I must have been mistaken about stacking the almighty pleromas pre Shiva win because you can only get them from Metatron and Shiva. Imma actually check my save file (I still have one right before winning this fight the first time on hard) and then edit this with the exact skill set. Edit: okay so my actual build at this point was Murakumo, Energy Drain, Charge, Murderous Glee and Bloody Glee stacked, Almighty Pleroma, Null Dark and Null Phys. I think I ditched Energy Drain for Enduring Soul but didn't save before going into the boss. Yea the the dlc demon I referenced was definitely cleopatra. The severe ice multi target with impalers animus plus dekunda, debiliate, and luster candy gives more opportunities for buffs/debuffs with the same Lakshmi setup as a dedicated healer/support hybrid. I assume Mephisto would also be great to take out Ananta as he has a unique severe dark attack and a unique multi target ailment move that lowers defense also. Both his dark and ailment affinity is already at 9 and he has impalers animus. I might try him out for this fight in the future, surprised I haven't already tbh. I actually used a post game dark specialist I won't spoil just in case you haven't seen it yet. I actually used to do magic builds in Smt4 so I wanted to do something different in this game. At the beginning I still transferred the basic elemental magic to MC just for press turns and coverage until some of the better physical moves from Aogami essences were acquired. It seems most people do agree at this point that physical is the way to go especially late-game. I do think its worth putting some glory you can spare into dark magic for the nahobino skill and the demi-fiend skill you unlock from his essence.
@@itsaboy213 so HUGE update. I finally beat him!!! I leveled up my main teams and backups to 99, except Garuda. I also switched up MC and Odin's skill, gave MC Bloody Glee and took out Ruinous Thunder, Odin I replaced High Elec Pleroma and Charge with High Phys Pleroma and Critical Aura. I still lead with the same strategy, MC, Garuda, Idun, and Gabriel and start off using Accursed Poison to cast Seal on Shiva, then switch out Garuda for either Rangda or Odin. Gabriel really helped with Ice damage and Me Patra to heal stat ailments, once she ran out of MP, I switched her with Anahita. The annoying part obviously was getting rid of Ananta but because of the seal on Shiva it became a lot more easier for him to not summon him when he keeps going for attacks instead while under the seal. Before he was getting to the red bar he broke free from the seal and used Megidolaon and Maragibarion to almost kill all my team but luckily MC and Odin survived when I had over max HP and stat buffs from Idun (Idun and Anahita died sadly). I used the time to summon Garuda for the Accursed Poison once more and switched him back for Tao and then MC to use Revival Chant to bring back Idun. I switched Tao for Ishtar next turn then managed to get him to the red bar without worry. Once I got to the red bar, I had Impaler's Animus ready with max Magatsuhi to go and risk it all using Omagatoki: Critical and it actually was enough for everyone to deal damage to Shiva and for Odin to finish him off. The expression on my face was priceless cuz I earned this win especially on hard mode, and now I can proceed to the story and fight Metatron since I was already at the end of the Temple of Eternity.
How were you able to deal that amount of damage to him? I'm also on hard mode but the highest I've done was near 3000 damage. Did you focus alot on Strength stats?
Nice strat tho , for this fight i used sandalphmon and metatron for almighty dmg using sageki or sum like that almighty phys dmg severe and +9 on that stat using the almighty amps both of ems and one for buffs and de buffa plus heal it was easy
My question is, how do you even withstand Tandava? I can deal with the debuff, but I'm not even on hard mode and every time he does that move he nearly destroys my entire party except for the MC (who ends up with a bit less than half HP anyways).
I had the same problem too. What I’m about to try is upgrading the health of my main demons that I want to use with great life spring. For me, he starts out doing 300-500 damage and with low defense about 600. So I’ve gotten my party to at least 700 health.
Thank you all for your responses! I only got like 3 sutras and have already used them without knowing what they really do, so I completely forgot that they existed. I guess its time for me to farm some and finally beat Shiva.
Could anyone tell me if using Tao instead of Idun will work? I don’t have an Idun and it would take a lot of farming of grimiores to get her to lvl 93. (I don’t have grinding DLC).
Tao's problem is that you cannot fuse her to get bonus stats and that she also resets every playthrough back to level 60. If you don't care about NG+ then by all means invest in her because yes she'd be a great replacement but just be careful.
@@EnelXC Thanks for the advice and the video. Just beat Shiva about half an hour ago, although I probably will still level up Idun for the Demi-fiend fight. I’ll probably go get the macca and exp dlc for that fight.
Wow... how are you doing that 7000ish hits with Murakumo? I did about half of that with Crit, max Str buff on me and max Def debuff on Shiva... and my Nahobino got a Str stat of 145 AND of course allmight giga pleroma... On top... I did this fight on normal. Don't know if you are doing less damage on hard but I could imagine that since enemies are doing more damage too in contrary... *edit Ok... Charge Gem... missed that. Never mind.
@@EternallyBlu oh fudge..im 27 h in the game and just got to the ending of the first area..thanks man! i thought its a difficulty thingy cuz I picked hard mode and the game is punishing me lol
Right? Anyone with even half a brain can beat this boss without even taking damage. Isn’t that right, you perfect being. I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to make a mistake, because it will never happen.
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SMT takes influence from many mythologies, religions, cultures etc. It also has interpretations of Angels, Demons, God's etc. from Angelology & Demonology. It's moreso a celebration of cultures, religions, myths, legends etc etc. It's really neat to see Creatures, Angels, Demons, God's, Goddesses, Monsters, & Deities from all types of real life tales, fables, and stories of old. There's definitely no disrespect meant with anything that appears in the game and portrays most things with a layer of respect & love for the culture it is representing.
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A strategy I used for the Shiva fight was using the Magutsuhi Skill Accursed Poison. It is a skill exclusive to the Avian race, that debiltates all enemies, and guarantees status ailments, even on Bosses who null them. More often then not, it sealed all enemy skills, and made it so no enemy could use turns several times.
In my house I think there's actually a statue that looks exactly like this boss that my grandma uses to pray
You're grandma sounds pretty cool
She's got a super boss at home
I hope this comment is genuine because that's kinda cute
she might be a demon summoners
@@rpghero46 ok sure I'll ask her
Millions of living people are Hindus, and worship Shiva among various other Hindu Gods.
Idun is definitely the developer wife character, but that's okay because I'm pretty sure everyone loves her anyways. My favorite thing about this game is how you can just bring whatever demons you like to the end of the game thanks to grimoires and essence fusion.
It's how I kept Yoshistune and Idun relevant
spoiler alert: shiva is really strange when I first encountered it, I thought this is not the quest needed to get the secret ending, turns out it is!!
Awesome fight. Only having 2 demons die is not too bad.
Also Tao has such an amazing design!
shame she leaves depending on your route.
@@mistake1197 she always leaves except your route decides when, i just hack her back in tbh and then i can use her for ng+
I mopped this clown in less than 5 turns
Critical zealot/crit charge MC with both almighty boosts, abyssal mask, enduring soul, and null/repel phys for is the true super boss killer build. It works for Shiva and for Demifiend. Charge is sadly not as good as it used to be and Domni Gladi is dogwater. Gladi is only about a 1.4/1.5 boost to damage and charge is only 1.8 now instead of 2.2x. Which makes crit zelot the better damage option with crit charge
Whose dumb idea was it to nerf Charge? I get Gladi and the other one having reduced power since it's targetable, but lowering Charge below 2.5x kinda defeats the point of Charging outside of MP conservation I guess.
Gladi is just useful for being able to use it on an ally for turn efficiency, not for a max damage setup.
Do you happen to know the damage for impaler's animus? I know that the main appeal is the pierce effect but I still would like to know the damage boost it gives.
@@adachifromguiltygear3214
1.8x according to the wiki while the Magatsuhi Skill Impaler's Glory is 3.4x.
Thanks brotha, just finished up Shiva and now trying to defeat demi fiend on hard
Idun really is great for boss plans. My trick was to keep one of the enemies alive. Which seemed to control how often he used his aoe against me. So less turns trying to clear that debuff.
Did the same thing but depending on who you leave alive they could cast mediaharama and all that work is gone
@@cedriclegend4078 snake had to die regardless, if the elephant demon I kept, I kept alive if possible. Out atm so forget how to spell his name
@@randomperson-up5vt yeah I'll have to try again and do what I suggested I think I tried that fight enough for one day tho lol
Just beat him! I did it at level 86 with almighty str mc, Idun, cleopatra and Gabriel. From what I can tell, only the snake can heal - always kill the snake. I ignored all other summons the majority of the time. To do it at a lowish level, you need a herald to cast God's shield anytime he uses impaler animus or begins gathering magatsushi - sometimes your own magatsushi won't be ready then you just have to damage control and recover.
Ofc you have too if you don't your run is over and he heals up too 23k health btw
I've done this fight like 8 times already. I've come very close to 1/3rd of his health left. From my strategy I have Garuda to use Accursed Poison to cast Seal so he is unable to use his skills. I could easily take out Ananta but it takes away from me trying to damage Shiva because he constantly summons him back every turn. I need to get more Incense and Balms to gain more stats if I want to deal more damage and hopefully finally finish him off
@@IamJerf there's no easy way to farm balm and incense. What level are you? You can try refusing your demons with higher level demons to get better stats. My Idun and Cleo had about 120 magic and 100 vit, Gabriel had 100 magic and mc had about 120 strength. It's very much a marathon rather than a race. You need to kill snake and damage shiva when it's convenient. As always, exploit press turns.
@@josephlck I just beat him now!!! So my MC and majority of my demons were at level 95-96 and so I had extra grimoires and gospels to level up the main teams and a few others to max 99. Idun had about 112 Magic and 60 Vitality and Killing Wind +9 to help take out Ananta fast, Gabriel had 100 even on both Magic and Vit. Odin I think had 93 Strength with everything stacked on Physical attack buffs to increase Gungnir's damage, I had a backup ice user (Anahita) in case Gabriel ran out of MP and didn't need to waste a Chakra Pot. Surprisingly my Anahita had great stats with 96 Mag & Vit and 75 Agility & Luck. I had Ishtar for the Luster Candy
I kept the same strategy spamming Accursed Poison to cast Seal on Shiva and was lucky he was able to stay sealed for a long while without breaking free too early. Once I kept up the damage and got him finally to the red bar, I had the Magatsuhi bar at max and used Omagatoki: Critical to finally end him (that part was extremely risky but I was glad I dealt 2000-4000 damage to him with each Demon and my MC)
I saved all my gospel till endgame and used 15 of them to get to level 99 to face this guy. I used Mettatron, Beezebub, and Vishnu for the fight, while switching to a demon of the Avian Race to use Accursed Poison so Shiva couldn't use skills.
I fought Shiva yesterday morning. It took me 50 minutes. I did not have Murakumo, nor Idun. He full demon wiped my team twice, and I was able to get back out with Eternal Prayer both times. I just discovered that Murakumo was a thing while looking through essences today.
I'm not quite to the point where I can take on the superboss, I saved before the final few boss fights since I had to go, but I'm looking forward to facing Shiva
I might be over preparing for this boss, but it's better to be safe than sorry
this boss is a great example of why almighty MC is the only right choice for specialization. you basically can’t beat him otherwise.
So far I've only gotten 2/3rd of his health down with a Magic build but Stull had enough Strength to make use of Murakumo. Still need to grind to level up to 99 with the other demons as well to hopefully maybe give off more stats to deal extra damage
i beat him first try with an ice build while having 70 magic since i was originally strength (bufubarion and high ice pleroma)
I love how many different strategies exist, but Idun's Golden Apples are still the absolute must.
The boss fight setpiece is popping off.
The music is so good! 😁
My team at level 98
MC Protag: Null to everything (Null Light, Ice, Fire, Phys with Amanozako affinity) Yabusame Shot to get extra turns.
Idun with Resist Elec added on
Yoshitsune (not as powerful as yours) made up for lack of power with Murderous Glee and Dragon Eye
Gabriel (comes in at the end with Ice Age)
Vishnu (same setup)
Beelzebub (was the replacement with Debilitate and used his stronger dark attacks for the snake)
Can you tell me how you bull your mc to null everything please
My strategy is actually very similar to how you fight demi fiend
Make sure every turn or every other turn you kill his allies so he uses torivus, and calls allies. Then use -spoiler demon- with high heal pleroma and use her debuff/buff healing move.
It's hard to do thanks to the mp cost of that strategy, but it's how I did it.
haven't done fiend just yet will get to it soon
@@EnelXC it's crazy. I spent 15 hours team building a 24 stock party and am still not fully ready
spoiler demon can’t be fused though, so you can’t do the stat boosting trick
@@teyoru she still has better stats than idun lol
@@fireheart4560 Not if you fuse Idun again later with the stat bonus miracles which she can start with +17 and spoiler is likey going to miss the full effect of the prayer miracles too. My Idun had all around higher stats than spoiler, with few incenses on her vitality only.
figured I'd ask you since you speed run xbc, but do you think smt v is a decent speed run candidate? on one end the semi open world makes it easy to skip things on the other, lv seems too important to avoid grinding
MC (lvl93):
Marakumo +9 (Almighty)
Pierce Armor +9 (Phys)
Enduring Soul (Passive)
Edun (lvl93):
Golden Apple +5 (Heal)
Zanbarion +5 (Force)
Manzanbarion +5 (Force)
Enduring Soul (Passive)
Yoshitsune (lvl93):
Hassou Tobi +9 (Phys)
Pierce Armor +9 (Phys)
Impaler's Animus +3 (Aid)
Enduring Soul (Passive)
Vishnu (lvl93):
Mudobarion +6 (Dark)
Mamudobarion +6 (Dark)
Mediarahn +3 (Heal)
Phys Block (Aid)
Debilitate (Aid)
Donun Gladi (Aid)
Enduring Soul (Passive)
Not sure what Nulls/Pleromas OP is using, especially for MC. Stacked Almighty?
Followed this to a T, even went up to. Lvl99 and I'm still getting absolutely decimated. Holy crap this battle is tough.
Don't think I'll try him on Hard Mode quite yet, but I'll give Shiva a go tomorrow morning. Wish me luck!
SMTV speedruns when 👀
Just beat this dude tonight on a hard fresh save with no deaths after at least 10 previous tries. Ironic because the previous attempt before winning my MC died twice (whittled goat) after making a lot of progress so I put enduring soul on him.
My party was MC with the physical/almighty skill and both critical chance skills stacked, Gabriel with the ice magic, Beelzebub with the debilitate and ice magic, and Lakshmi with heals, dekunda and luster candy. All level 99.
People say this fight on hard (and hard mode in general) forces you to use items and that was definitely true for me. I ended up using all 10 dark gems for press turns/damage against Ananta as well as Ice gems against Shiva himself, not to mention bead chains, somas, amirita showers, etc.
As far as magatsuhi skills I exclusively used god's shield. It was the only way I could consistently get out damage and not waste turns. In previous attempts I used the critical skill but the damage wasn't worth getting bogged down.
Also worth noting I never attacked any summons besides Ananta. It's interesting watching other people fight this boss and seeing Parvati and Dakini having never seen them myself.
Yeah I could really use some help here. I've done this fight like 8 times already. I've come very close to 1/3rd of his health left. From my strategy I have Garuda to use Accursed Poison to cast Seal so he is unable to use his skills, Idun for healing and buffs, Ishtar cuz I gave her Luster Candy, and Anahita for Ice damage (I do have Gabriel and Raphael). I could easily take out Ananta but it takes away from me trying to damage Shiva because he constantly summons him back every turn. I need to get more Incense and Balms to gain more stats if I want to deal more damage and hopefully finally finish him off.
What were the skillsets you have for your MC? I have Murakumo +9, Ruinous Thunder +5, Revival Chant +3, Impaler's Animus +3 (I had Critical Aura before and I'm having a hard time which one helps deal more damage), Almighty Pleroma, Crit Zealot, Murderous Glee, and Enduring Soul.
@@IamJerf my MC is totally specd into strength, it's >150. As far as skills go at the time off the top of my head it was Murakumo, charge (not impalers animus since as far as I know only mitamas actually resist almighty), bloody and murderous glee stacked, high almighty and almighty pleromas stacked, enduring soul, and then null dark to cover my weakness. Gabriel was my main damage dealer to Shiva actually, had the severe ice skill and both ice pleromas stacked, can't remember the other skills but they were all passives, didn't even have impalers animus or concentrate since it was exclusively going for Shivas weakness and I didn't want to waste turns powering up. Also used god's shield when I thought Shivas almighty skills were otw. Even though beelzebub knew ice age and death flies anytime I needed it to do damage I used gems since he was mainly casting debilitate and his support affinity was only 2 so it took up a ton of MP, and my strat involved only targeting Shiva and Ananta so I didn't use multi target attacks. Lakshmi was the heals/support with mediarahan, dekunda to deal with the defense drop from Shivas almighty skill, and luster candy for buffs. She also had debilitate but like I said I used beelzebub for this more often to cast both luster candy and debilitate in a single turn when I could. I would usually have Beelzebub use a dark gem on Ananta and then the MC attack since it was my main priority to kill Ananta to prevent heals though as far as I know you always have 2 turns to do this since Ananta will always buff once before before healing.
It's worth noting since I posted my comment I've fought Shiva 3 more times on hard with a different strategy thats worked better imo but it involves post game and dlc characters.
Also what you asked about imaplers animus and critical aura, my reasoning is like this: critical aura is good for the physical skills with low accuracy since it guarantees 100% accuracy on top of the critical but other than those low accuracy physical moves I'd use impalers animus since it charges and adds pierce for both magic and physical (I only even realized it worked with magic because of Shiva lol). It has more utility imo. Even with skills that do more damage when critical hitting I think you are better off with impalers animus and bloody/murderous glee (stacked if possible) for when you do actually critical. I do have a couple late game demons with physical builds that do use critical aura and critical zealot since their main damage move is figment slash, but the majority of my damage dealers phys or magic use impalers animus. Most of them focus on a single element with a severe multi-target, both pleromas stacked, and impalers animus. That way I don't have to worry about some enemy in a group nullifying or draining/reflecting, and it does 1.8x damage I think.
@@itsaboy213 thanks for the reminder about Ananta's Dark weakness. I've been mostly using Wind and Almighty damage against it lol.
I feel bad that I put all of my focus on Magic in the MC stats. Mind you this isnt my first SMT game and I've mostly done Physical build so I wanted to do something differently. Then I see Murakumo and felt really bad about my decision lol.
Quick question, which Demon has High Almighty Pleroma? I want to assume Metatron but I haven't fought him yet cuz I wanna beat Shiva first. I didn't buy the DLCs either cuz I wanted to go through this without something like Cleopatra and Artemis.
I'll maybe switch out Anahita for Gabriel to see how it fairs out but I think maybe I might need to fix the skills it has. I just find using Accursed Poison more useful because it stops Shiva from doing anything but the only downside is that there are times where he cures too early and would either use Almighty skills or go for Impaler's Animus for piercing before I have my Magatsuhi gauge at max. All of my high level Demons aren't at lv99, most of them are at 95 and I'm at 96 so I feel that maybe I should grind more to get them all maxed out and possibly more Incense and Balms to boost more stats to increase damage
@@IamJerf I looked it up and I must have been mistaken about stacking the almighty pleromas pre Shiva win because you can only get them from Metatron and Shiva. Imma actually check my save file (I still have one right before winning this fight the first time on hard) and then edit this with the exact skill set.
Edit: okay so my actual build at this point was Murakumo, Energy Drain, Charge, Murderous Glee and Bloody Glee stacked, Almighty Pleroma, Null Dark and Null Phys. I think I ditched Energy Drain for Enduring Soul but didn't save before going into the boss.
Yea the the dlc demon I referenced was definitely cleopatra. The severe ice multi target with impalers animus plus dekunda, debiliate, and luster candy gives more opportunities for buffs/debuffs with the same Lakshmi setup as a dedicated healer/support hybrid. I assume Mephisto would also be great to take out Ananta as he has a unique severe dark attack and a unique multi target ailment move that lowers defense also. Both his dark and ailment affinity is already at 9 and he has impalers animus. I might try him out for this fight in the future, surprised I haven't already tbh. I actually used a post game dark specialist I won't spoil just in case you haven't seen it yet.
I actually used to do magic builds in Smt4 so I wanted to do something different in this game. At the beginning I still transferred the basic elemental magic to MC just for press turns and coverage until some of the better physical moves from Aogami essences were acquired. It seems most people do agree at this point that physical is the way to go especially late-game. I do think its worth putting some glory you can spare into dark magic for the nahobino skill and the demi-fiend skill you unlock from his essence.
@@itsaboy213 so HUGE update. I finally beat him!!! I leveled up my main teams and backups to 99, except Garuda. I also switched up MC and Odin's skill, gave MC Bloody Glee and took out Ruinous Thunder, Odin I replaced High Elec Pleroma and Charge with High Phys Pleroma and Critical Aura.
I still lead with the same strategy, MC, Garuda, Idun, and Gabriel and start off using Accursed Poison to cast Seal on Shiva, then switch out Garuda for either Rangda or Odin. Gabriel really helped with Ice damage and Me Patra to heal stat ailments, once she ran out of MP, I switched her with Anahita. The annoying part obviously was getting rid of Ananta but because of the seal on Shiva it became a lot more easier for him to not summon him when he keeps going for attacks instead while under the seal. Before he was getting to the red bar he broke free from the seal and used Megidolaon and Maragibarion to almost kill all my team but luckily MC and Odin survived when I had over max HP and stat buffs from Idun (Idun and Anahita died sadly). I used the time to summon Garuda for the Accursed Poison once more and switched him back for Tao and then MC to use Revival Chant to bring back Idun. I switched Tao for Ishtar next turn then managed to get him to the red bar without worry. Once I got to the red bar, I had Impaler's Animus ready with max Magatsuhi to go and risk it all using Omagatoki: Critical and it actually was enough for everyone to deal damage to Shiva and for Odin to finish him off.
The expression on my face was priceless cuz I earned this win especially on hard mode, and now I can proceed to the story and fight Metatron since I was already at the end of the Temple of Eternity.
How were you able to deal that amount of damage to him? I'm also on hard mode but the highest I've done was near 3000 damage. Did you focus alot on Strength stats?
Crit zealot double pleroma
Literally the only boss I had to TH-cam
Hey man I would really like to know how you were able to level up Idun and Yoshitsune to such a high level
Use grimoires
Grimoires are really the only way but the game gives them out like candy.
Nice strat tho , for this fight i used sandalphmon and metatron for almighty dmg using sageki or sum like that almighty phys dmg severe and +9 on that stat using the almighty amps both of ems and one for buffs and de buffa plus heal it was easy
Are you gonna give demi-fiend a go? Interested to see how you go about it.
I will have a video on him tomorrow...interesting fight to say the least.
My question is, how do you even withstand Tandava? I can deal with the debuff, but I'm not even on hard mode and every time he does that move he nearly destroys my entire party except for the MC (who ends up with a bit less than half HP anyways).
I had the same problem too. What I’m about to try is upgrading the health of my main demons that I want to use with great life spring. For me, he starts out doing 300-500 damage and with low defense about 600. So I’ve gotten my party to at least 700 health.
yeah just having enough health and vitality then a good healing move after should work.
Wouldn’t that one demon nobody mentions by name make more sense for this fight specifically?
That’s extremely vague
@@austins.2495 There's only one demon that matches the description tho.
@@Dharengo Lord Voldemort?
@@austins.2495 No,
life is short don't have time for this
Do you have like, the demon stats and passive abilities you are using?
Didn’t even use black frost smh
SMT noob here. How do you get Yoshitsune with Hassou obi +9? Mine is only +5 so I guess that is not enough for this boss.
There are items you have been picking up that can increase your demons ranks on things. Only if they have a rank already though.
Battle Sutras increase a demon's phys affinity by 1 each.
Battle sutras
Thank you all for your responses! I only got like 3 sutras and have already used them without knowing what they really do, so I completely forgot that they existed. I guess its time for me to farm some and finally beat Shiva.
Where is my Bhakt Friends?
Could anyone tell me if using Tao instead of Idun will work? I don’t have an Idun and it would take a lot of farming of grimiores to get her to lvl 93. (I don’t have grinding DLC).
Tao's problem is that you cannot fuse her to get bonus stats and that she also resets every playthrough back to level 60. If you don't care about NG+ then by all means invest in her because yes she'd be a great replacement but just be careful.
@@EnelXC Thanks for the advice and the video. Just beat Shiva about half an hour ago, although I probably will still level up Idun for the Demi-fiend fight. I’ll probably go get the macca and exp dlc for that fight.
I wasn't expecting to see you here. Welp
Just got Idun and I'm really excited to use her! I'm curious to know how it only costs 107 mp to use Golden Apple though
By using Sutras to raise her healing affinity to +5
Maxing out her Healing affinity lowers the cost of the MP.
Give her luster candy as well
@@BitchChill how do o get debilitate
@@newcar4141 From arahabaki's essence
Cleo and Vishnu on support with Idun as backup
Gabriel's omagatoki whenever they about to crit
Murder ananta with crit whenever he shows up
so did you level yoshitsune and inun with grimoiraes or what?
Yes
Wow... how are you doing that 7000ish hits with Murakumo?
I did about half of that with Crit, max Str buff on me and max Def debuff on Shiva... and my Nahobino got a Str stat of 145 AND of course allmight giga pleroma...
On top... I did this fight on normal. Don't know if you are doing less damage on hard but I could imagine that since enemies are doing more damage too in contrary...
*edit
Ok... Charge Gem... missed that. Never mind.
Are you buffing with charge?
@@EnelXC See my edit ;)
Nope didn't do that.
Why every demon consume lesser MP as usual? How you do that?
Increasing your skill potential decreases the MP cost of skills.
skill potential decreases MP cost
How do you get debilitate
Later demons have it.
Is Idun Enel's new waifu?
Sure looks like, huh.
Idunn reminds me a lot of Poppi, being very cute and dancing during her idle animation
maybe for this series LOL
healing for 24k,still cant beat him :(
make sure to kill the snake instantly
I used ices move on all my party
How did you get to level 93 on everyone for the fight?
like 12 gospels i had hoarded the entire game lol
how can your demons use items??? 😭
It's a miracle you find from the first absess in the second area. It's called Knowledge of Tools.
@@EternallyBlu oh fudge..im 27 h in the game and just got to the ending of the first area..thanks man! i thought its a difficulty thingy cuz I picked hard mode and the game is punishing me lol
Yeah it's a miracle, I'm also hard mode lol
forever idun + yoshitsune 😂
I almost had this nigga beat but then I missed 4 attacks in a row 💀 even after delibating them 😪
Why is the fps so bad
I use elemental attack ice so useful
I don't get it. When he does Tandava on my lvl 90 party, we're all almost dead. when he does it in anyone else's video, y'all have half health
OK I beat it. Just used Herald magatsuhi skill reduced damage whenever he used his own magastushi skill
I did 5k damage to him btw
First time watching this, can't believe you actually had demons die.
Right? Anyone with even half a brain can beat this boss without even taking damage. Isn’t that right, you perfect being. I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to make a mistake, because it will never happen.
im bad
@@austins.2495 it's easy, just dodge everything.
Want to point out that I never claimed to have taken 0 damage.
Taking our gods and making it demon???? A Hindu God that defeat demons is a demon? Why don't you all fight and beat up Jesus!!!
Demon is a blanket statement in SMT and doesn't mean everything is a literal demon. There are plenty of gods and goddesses, angels, and even interpretations of the monotheistic God. Many of these beings are portrayed very positively within the game.
SMT takes influence from many mythologies, religions, cultures etc. It also has interpretations of Angels, Demons, God's etc. from Angelology & Demonology. It's moreso a celebration of cultures, religions, myths, legends etc etc. It's really neat to see Creatures, Angels, Demons, God's, Goddesses, Monsters, & Deities from all types of real life tales, fables, and stories of old. There's definitely no disrespect meant with anything that appears in the game and portrays most things with a layer of respect & love for the culture it is representing.