British Students Try Korea's SAT English Exam!?! (IMPOSSIBLE?💀)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Thanks to all the students who were willing to put themselves in someone else's shoes today and try this exam!!
We've done a few videos about this huge exam in Korea before, and every year I think it's a great opportunity to remember what so many people are going through right now.
For everyone in Korea about to take the KSAT tomorrow we want to send love and support from the
잠시나마 다른 사람의 자리에서 수능 문제를 풀어보기로 해준 영국 학생분들께 감사드립니다!!
저희가 수능 영상을 몇 번 찍었는데, 매번 이 시기를 보내는 학생 여러분의 마음을 기억할 수 있는 좋은 기회인 것 같아요.
내일 수능 보시는 모든 분들께 졸리 & 영국남자팀 모두가 사랑을 담아 응원을 보냅니다! 기도할게요!
Huge thanks to everyone involved in the creation of this video:
Written and Directed by Josh and Ollie
Producer/Editor: Grace Park
Producer/Editor/Translator: Hyemin Lim
Editor: Sejun Lee
Translator: Hannah Kang
내일 수능 치러 갑니다..영국남자 초창기때부터 응원했는데 이제 내차례라니..
힘들었던 수험생활 영국남자 영상보면서 조금이나마 웃을 수 있었던 것 같아요 감사합니다!
lois로이 fighting!!! 응원합니다!!!👏👏
그저 내 인생에 있어서 수많은 목요일 중에 하루일 뿐입니다. 긴장하지마시고 편하게 하던대로 최선을 다해서 좋은 결과 얻으시길 바랍니다 :)
수능 대박나세요!
좋은 대학으로 가십쇼! 떨지마시구요!
수능 대박나세요! 긴장하시지 마시고...
"It's not really testing how smart you are, it's just testing how you fit the system."
Touchè.
Instead of having them go around matching keys to locks (memorization to solve existing problems), we should be handing them a single lock with no key and teaching them ways to open it (understanding to solve novel problems).
Education in a nutshell
맞는 얘기임. 체제 순응주의자를 뽑는 시험이지. test for comformists.
Like every other structured schooling system in the World? Racist comment from a racist mindset.
@@WanderingWolf365 racist? wtf lmao
someone tell korean education people that english speakers don’t speak in advanced literature everyday
They aren't testing everyday English though.
@@Hhhh22222-w exactly the point...
This seems to be testing the ability to understand inferred meaning rather than everyday speech. Very useful in academic comprehension because they tend to write poorly in a verbose manner about difficult concepts but damn.. thats difficult.
Obviously they're not testing on basic speech then are they?
Hara Yanto it’s the fact that this didn’t even make sense to these grown native english speakers so how could their educators expect korean students who’ve spoken korean since they could talk to understand and answer advanced literature and inferred meanings IN english like this
"It's not really testing how smart you are, it's just testing how you fit the system" Period.
Girlie probably doesn't even know much about Korea and yet she described the whole country in one sentence.
it's same in every non-english-speaking country bro
@@omeraydindev a big YES
@@omeraydindev Its same in English speaking countries too bro. The U.S. public school system is standardized test determined, it's just not as hard and people still drop 5k on tutoring for their kids to do well on the SAT or ACT.
@@omeraydindev i like this comment
I don't know if people in the west are dumber or what. The Korean SAT is a perfect exam for a highschool student (barring the time constraint, but a 15% increase would make it perfect). All the concepts required for the test are a prerequisite for a college student and that way they won't waste a semester in college polishing their prerequisites. All those who are doubtful about the speaking skills of Koreans, let me tell you that korea is a highly homogeneous country and nobody actually needs to speak English to survive, but they still learn it to make themselves relevant to the global world. All they lack is practice in actually speaking it.
"Its not really testing how smart you are, its just testing how you fit the system" , love the way she thought.
Reason why korean students are so stressed out
I can't even imagine
HELLO!!!! DYING KOREAN HERE!!!!!! CAN ANYBODY HERE ME???? I HATE THESE STUPID TESTS!!!!
남서아 i have faith in you, friend!
Haha send help 😭😅
@@남서아 Korea's education system needs to change.. Like 12 DAMN HOURS OF STUDY IS JUST TOO MUCH
@@Sofia-il3rj I really want it. I go to Korean middle school, so I am scared to be a high school student.ㅠㅠ. I wanna go back to the babyㅠㅠ...
11:54 보라색티셔츠입은 옷 친구가 본질을꿰뚫은듯
통찰력ㄷㄷ
완전공감이요
네 진짜 ㄹㅇㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Insight
진짜 지니어스👍
I cackled at daniel’s math section “relatively prime? does that mean are you relatively... okay? because i am not” then he pulled his hair🤣
As a native speaker, the questions weren't that hard actually, but they were definitely needlessly convoluted to the point that it actually got in the way of comprehension. These questions seemed to be written to purposely make people fail rather than test actual comprehension...
wouldn't be much of a test for comprehension if it was just a single sentence now would it (they said these were the harder questions)
N that’s so true. Typical comprehensive question are normally four to 5 sentence long and only 1/4 of the page. That was literally an entire page.
@@langtastic The IELTS test gives you 3 3 page texts and a bunch of questions about them and you have an hour to do it. Every English test is like that if you're not English and they're testing academic understanding
honestly, having gotten them all right, I feel that it's kind of like the American SAT except they give you a new shorter passage every question.
@@suburban8614 Yeah, SAT passages are longer.
How does a native speaker only recently finds out what 'ignorance' means?!
I just love the irony. She was ignorant of the definition of ignorance.
@@melodyfussell829 lol my thoughts exactly
I think she's joking!
Probably checked the dictionary.
Pretty simple really. English has lots of words for the concept that ignorance refers to. 'Ignorance' is one of the most formal of these and in general in the UK people use the less formal words in day to day life, only encountering the more formal versions occasionally in formal settings. Even then there are usually several more formal words that could be used in such settings so you may not encounter one of them.
English is a language with hundreds of thousands of words, but only a few thousand of those make up the majority of words spoken each day in the UK.
For foreigners trying to understand which words are more formal and which less formal to express a particular thing, in general the more formal variants are derived from Latin or Greek, whilst the less formal are more likely derived from Germanic or Norse roots.
"Many people do not understand large numbers"
" C A N R E L A T E" 😂😂😂
It's not surprising that people who speak English as a first language would find the Korean English exam tough. The questions are convoluted and very long winded. While it is grammatically correct, it's very poorly phrased. No one writes like that...newspaper articles aren't even phrased like that.
I think you'd realise after some time that it's not so much an English test, meant to help students at all in speaking English, as it is a test to see how well you infer meanings and clues within the text to help you. Probably with a life surrounded by academic papers and journals in mind. In my opinion, the skill set the students develop preparing for this test are probably not the most important skill set you want to cultivate in a whole student body. There are other skills and qualities more important for life in society that these students miss out on by the obsessive studying you'd be expected to do.
ㅇㅈ합니다 진짜 넘 한국수능도 그렇고 초중고 교육이 넘 복잡한듯....
@@wjd-mn8cb 네 맞아요...
Korean schools and colleges doesn't have any objective to teach English to the students. If a Korean is speaking good english, then it will be of his/her own effort and not bcs of education system. Exams in Korea will be difficult bcs most of them are pressured by parents and sometimes themselves to get into popular Universities like SNU. Which has made exams very difficult bcs of high demand...
The thing is people do write like that... Researchers, scientists, philosophers and the like. So I think that instead of teaching the students how to speak English, they are teaching them how to write research papers or how to structure their sentences and words like a professional. They are preparing them for a professional scenario, not to talk casually with people. I guess at the age the students do these exams they expect them to already know English pretty well, so they take it further and teach them (or expect them to know) how English is used in a more professional setting.
한 문제를 저렇게 오래 보면 이미 시험 망친거임ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
저렇게 보면 이미 등급 떡락함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
설마요....
단순히 오래 봤다는 이유만으로요.....?;;;;;
뱃살무늬토기 시간이 없어요 듣기만 20-24분 고정인데. 나머지 남은 시간으로 풀고 검토하기 절대절대 힘들죠.적어도 한문제에 1-2분 이상 소비하면 안됩니다. 모르는 문제는 빨리 넘어가야겠죠ㅎ
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 미쳣네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@만두가크면얼굴큰만두 시험지는 신속하게 보며 빠르게 문제를 풀어나가야 하는거고 뚫어지게 봐야하는건 공부할때 교재를 그렇게 봤어야하죠ㅋㅋㅋ
Tomorrow is Korea CSAT.
Everyone good luck!!
Wait..
It would be fun if Ollie prepared for the Korean CSAT.😍
대위님 개근상 받으셔야할 듯ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Capt..
We love you..
오 프필을 보니 !!
@안재현 토종 안씨 반가워요♡
@@Ungaaaaie 울엄마가 개근상이 제일 큰 상이랬어요:-)
"They don't really test how smart you are but how you fit in the system"
Oof *BIG* Oof
BIG FAT SAD TRUTH
Honestly, no tests measure smartness in my opinion. It's really about how well you prepared for it. I go to a school that's very competitive in sciences and I've seen really smart people not do well on tests because they didn't prepare properly
Totally agree!!!
Yeah,, it’s terrible but this is korean education..We have no choice..just do it without passion😂
We dont have any solution about this test. So we just study to fit in the system...T.T
제가 뉴질랜드에서 8년정도 고등교육은 아니지만 중학교까지 지냈는데 외국 교육 시험과 한국 시험의 가장 큰 차이는 영상에서 말했듯이 외국 시험문제는 내 머리속 아주 작은 지식이라도 시험때 찾을 수 있도록 문제를 만들어준다면 한국은 내가 아는 지식도 꼬아서 틀리게 할려는거 같다는 느낌이 들었어요.. 대학 시험은 어떻게 다를지 모르지만 어릴때부터 자신의 지식을 의심하게되는 한국 친구들이 조금은 안타깝게 느껴진 면이 있네요...
그럼 지금은 핼조선에 계시고 있으신 건가요?
저 지금 뉴질랜드 중등교육 마지막 학년 보내고 있어요 고등학교 들어가기 싫은뎅
생각해보니 그랬네요. 내가 뭘 알고 있는가가 아니라 내가 놓친게 뭔지 전전긍긍...ㅜㅜ 점차 바뀌겠죠. 국민들이 알고 있는데 정치인들도 그걸 마냥 무시할수는 없는거니.
뭐 지금 대부분 중학교는 국영수 전범위 겠지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
중등교육: 중학교 고등학교, 고등교육: 대학
As someone who works in a Korean high school let me just explain. Korean students don't really learn how to speak and understand English. What they learn is actually just memorising paragraphs and basically just spotting the difference between what they've memorised (which is correct) and what is on their test. They don't actually understand what is being said, they rarely do. They just spot grammar mistakes mainly. They're not learning English they're just learning how to memorise and it is so fucking stupid myself and other native English teachers cannot stand to English education system in Korea at all. My high school students can barely tell me why they like a movie if I ask them and they've been studying English since they were 8 or 9. They're now 15-17 and have no idea how to actually have a small conversation in English it's infuriating. I hope one day the Korean education system changes so that the English they study actually becomes useful to the students in some way rather than hindering them and causing them so much stress.
Wow thanks for the information
I didn't know it was this bad
I am an ordinary college student who has been through this curriculum in Korea. To sum up briefly, there are two issues here.
First, This exam is “the Scholastic Ability Test”. So many academic terms are used.
Second, there’s a sort of ‘unfairness issue’ in this test. To many students in my country, this exam is the most important test. If exam sentences are given in everyday English, students who have studied abroad since childhood have a great advantage. (Rich people can go abroad without financial strain.) in addition to what appears to be superficial, there are many social and cultural problems involved in here.
I think there's one thing―exactly “things”―you're mistaken about, in fact many high-scoring students understand what the contents mean exactly, not just memorizing.
The issue you pointed out here might be true to some extent, for some schools and students, but to say that the whole English education system is based on memorizing and nothing else is surely not true and over exaggeration of the matter.
@@kolviczd6885 considering that I speak with people across the country on a daily basis (all of us NETs and the majority of us high school teachers) I can confidently say it is the majority of the country with this problem. Another problem I didn't already mention is the fact that we are not allowed to fail students. I had a student who didn't do their english project (a 1 minute presentation on a job they would like - something I learned in my 2nd year studying a foreign language in school) worth 50% of their final grade and refused to do their 1 on 1 oral exam with me worth the other 50% and I was no allowed to give him 0 marks even though it's what he deserved for literally doing nothing. And that problem is also across the board from what I've seen and what I've heard. How can the Korean government brag about the education system and how the country is so educated when it is like this? Of course if you're letting everybody pass with minimum effort the scores will always be good. As with most of South Korea, it's all about keeping face rather than actually benefiting the students. And don't get me wrong I love the country I have enjoyed living here but the education system NEEDS to change. Seriously.
@@하하호호-y5h the unfairness issue doesn't change though. Because even rich students who don't go abroad can still pay a lot of money to go to 학원s and get private tutoring specifically tailored to the 수능 so they're still getting the advantage because they are wealthy and I have seen exactly that problem in my own school. The high scoring students are usually (not always but mostly) the students who can afford private tutoring in a 학원. I also know someone who has been through the korean education system and is about to start her masters degree and she admitted herself the only reason she did well in school was because her parents had the money to give her a better education than most of her classmates. Which only brings us to further issues regarding students poor health due to spending hours after school in further education and then studying until the very early morning which I have also seen with my own eyes.
다들 화이팅!!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼영국에서 응원해요!!빠샤👊🏼👊🏼
찐
오 진짜네
올려드립시다
Spotting Gabie from a sea of comments
진짜가 나타났다!
한국 대학생들이 영국 대입 시험 영어 문제를 풀어보는 것도 재미있겠네요.
Hong Wonsuk 정말 그러네요!
시험이 없을수도...고등학교 평균점수로 지원하는 나라도 있습니다. 캐나다는 수능 시험이 없죠.
이영상의 주제점은 뒤에 있는데...알고보면 한국학생들 아니 한국에 대한 동정심 내지는비웃는게 들어있죠...약간이나마....
우리는 청춘의 시간을 대부분 쓸모없는 지식에 시간과 열정을 투자해서 쓰레기같은 결과를 얻어내는데 많은 소모를 하고 있습니다..
오늘이 그 결과를 시험하는 수능날이군요.. 수십년이 지난 지금도 학력주의 쩔어있어 방송에서는 수능시험을 걱정하는 사람으로 넘쳐납니다.
그런 걱정을 원천적인 왜 수능에 메달리는지에 초점이 맞춰져야 할것입니다..많이 잘못됬어요..
영국인들은 저런 세세한 지식에 시간 열정을 투자하기보다는 커다란 숲의 모양을 보려고 줄기를 이해하려는 공부를 하고 있어요..
그런게 진짜 똑똑한 지식입니다. 그래서 우리보다 잘 먹고 잘살고 있죠....문화도 금융등 세계시장의 큰손들이 영국인들이죠..
영국남자가 한국에서 영상 만드는것봐 봐도 우리보다 눈위에서 보고있는건 틀임없죠. 그게 바로 쌓여온 문화의 힘입니다.
전 현재 영국에서 유학하고 있는 유학생입니다. 한국과 영국의 교육방식과 시험 방법이 매우 다릅니다. 그래서 어릴때부터 연습하지 않은 한국학생들이 영국 대입시험 영어 문제를 풀기는 어려울 것입니다. 또한 영국은 대학 입학 전 보는 a-level 이전에 GCSE 라는 시험을 봅니다. GCSE는 영어가 다섯개로 나누어져 있습니다. 그리고 모든 문제가 서술형이기 때문에 한국학생들이 하기에는 조금 무리가 아닌가 싶습니다.
@@seohyeonbaek8209 서술형이기에 무리다...
뭐야 맞잖어
" 인생에는 시험보다 훨씬 중요한게 많으니까 시험 결과가 여러분을 정의한다고 생각하지 마세요. 왜냐하면 여러분은 그것보다 훨씬 소중한 사람이니까요" 영국 여학생의 이 두마디가 심금을 울린다 ㅠ ㅠ
미스터 한혜숙
격하게 공감합니다.
아울러, 그렇지만 한국에선 시험 결과가 정의를 한다는 사실에서
너무나도 가슴이 아픕니다.
슬프지만 수능이 그래도 불합리한 사회의 경쟁에서 가장 합리적이고 객관적으로 나를 평가해주는 시험임.
@@귀찮아다 헬조선이 발전해서 평등하다고 생각한게 겨우 이거고 안바꿀거라니까
헬조선에서 애 안낳고탈출하는 사람들이 많아지는거임ㅋ
@@무케-h7l 웅 꼰대헬조선 세대와
달라진 세상이니까 저렇게 살아도 돼~ 안통하면 한국 탈출하면 되는거고ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
the girl who said, "I want to say number one, but we answered number 1 last time" is totally relatable for me
And then in the next section, there were like three number fours in a row.
Yeah, but when it's math tests and like you don't really have any idea at all, you'd just answer one number all the way. In that you might actually get a bunch of points, in my perspective.
I'm a Korean student who took national college entrance exam last year.
First of all, thank you for making a such a good video. The words were very heart moving and it let me know the differences of the teenagers life through countries. It was funny to see the reactions haha😆
I love the words in the video, "It's not really testing how smart you are, it's just testing how you fit the system." I'm pretty sad to hear it but....I can't deny it...
I hope all the Korean students know that we are just worth it as we are.
Let's have some bananas before the exam~!!😁
Since I've heard that a lot of koreon students are too stressed out and depressed, like is it really worth it when they pass the exams? Why does it seem most people in sk strive really high to the point where it's done unhappily and completely ruins their mental health? I'm just curious by the way and I really love koreon culture but I'm not sure why most are obsessed with perfection?
How did it go?
@@sammy5267 I even saw a video where a student was asked what he wanted to pursue after the test but he said he doesn't know yet since his main goal is to pass the exams. I mean, Japan has a large number of suicide deaths every year and Korean teens are becoming depressed with exams at the same time the countries i mentioned are first world countries. Their country is so developed and i think that's a reason why education is taken seriously there.
I live in a Southeast Asian country and our education sucks big time, we don't have any big tests like this (except when taking a bachelor's degree or boards) but as a result of that, our country isn't as developed as East Asian ones. I applaud and aspire Korea for their economy and ability to fend for themselves after the war but i don't think I'd survive High School in their country.
in Pakistan we also go through same pressure n difficult test and end up in being empty mind so don't worry korean students i feel u i have gone through the same when i had my SAT exam so don't worry korean students we are with you n yeah fighting !!
@@sammy5267 In a lot of Asian countries, like South Korea, the university you're admitted to basically determines your social status and future. If you're admitted to SKY, then you're set up for life. It's quite tragic, honestly, that students are being subjected to such a tense and highly competitive environment that it ruins their mental health. However, the job market in South Korea is highly competitive as well, and having good educational background is an edge. Nowadays though, most companies prefer those with experience so even being a fresh graduate from one of the top universities doesn't guarantee being hired to the best companies.
매년 항상 빼놓지않고 우리 수험생들 위로 해줘서 한국사람으로써 진짜 감사해요.
진짜 많은 생각이 든다.. 학생의 지식을 최대한 이끌어주는 듯한 내용의 시험이라고 말한 저 남학생과 어디 한번 맞출 수 있으면 맞춰봐라 하는 우리의 시험..
"I want to say number 1 but we said number 1 last time"
This is so me at an exam
allyboon samee😅
Omg I was looking at this comment
Once my teacher gave us a pop quiz mid class without warning and all the answers were D. I didnt really care about it so i just read it, thought "oh, everything is D." And ended up getting everything right... the other kids got it wrong bc I think they doubted themselves lmao
Moral: dont doubt yourself, even if you'd probably have gotten a 0.
@@floracent that's the fun part about pop quizzes. You'll only get the answers right if you're either lucky, or you studied.
In my case, can't relate to both.
If only my exams were multiple choice 😭😭
Daniel's a legend. Actually, they all are! We need more vids with them
아뇨. 보통 학교에서 8시부터 5시까지 수업하고 9시까지 야자하고 학원가서 12시에 집에오죠
dam, that's a long time..
@@multi-colorzart haha...🤣😂😂🤣
그리고, 자기공부 시작..
@@davidlegacyboyya2189 그리고 새벽 3시 취침 6시 기상
@ᄏᄏ 요즘 못 째요
Ah, yes.
"They all sounded wrong." "No, they all sound right."
Happens simultaneously whenever I take tests that ask you to identify what part is wrong.
“Are you relatively okay?”
“Cause I’m not.”
There are no words more accurate when dealing with maths 😂
진짜 이 영상보면서 느낀점이 정말 영국학생들의 정신건강이 우리나라 학생들보다 더 건강한거 같다란 생각이 드네요.왠지 씁쓸한생각이 드네요.
적극 공감합니다.
한국은 무한경쟁 사회라 바뀌긴 쉽지 않을 겁니다. 그래서 더 안타깝네요
아니 왜 멋대로 우리 정신건강을 판단하는건지ㅋㅋㅋㅋ댓글들 어이없네 잘만 살고 열심히 공부하는데 왜 자기들 멋대로 정신건강 운운함ㅋㅋㅋ?
@@hohooww니가 잘산다고 나라 전체가 건강한거임? 니가 뭔데 나라를 대표함? OECD 자살률 1위는 장식이노? ㅋㅋ
@@hohooww영국은 대체적으로 우리보다 공부나 시험에대한 압박이 적으니 정신건강이 더 좋겠죠. 당연한거임.
“This seems tailored to one certain type of person. It’s not really testing how smart you are, it’s just testing how you fit the system.” 맞아요. 수능은 아니 한국 교육제도는 누가 똑똑한지보다는 한국 사회 시스템에 누가 더 잘 들어맞는지를 보는 거죠. You got a point, my friend.
I totally disagree. Though the exam seems a bit irrelevant of students' on the surface, in a super-competitive society like South Korea, it is actually a must for the exams to be difficult enough to sort out which students are really the smartest by making the exams super hard. And though it certainly has some drawbacks, it is Korea's 'education fever' that has made Korea the 11th or 12th biggest economy in the world within just several decades literally from the rubble of the Korean War. She just doesn't know the first thing about Korea.
완전반대입니다. 표면적으로 학생들에게 필요없는 시험을 치르게 한다고 보일 수 있지만, 한국처럼 극도로 경쟁적인 사회에서 시험의 높은 난이도는 필수적인 요소입니다. 가장 지적능력이 뛰어난 학생을 가릴 수 있어야 하니까요. 여러 단점도 있겠으나, 이런 한국의 교육열이 한국전쟁의 폐허에서 단 수십년만에 한국이 11, 12위의 경제대국으로 성장하게 만든 원동력입니다. 영국분이 한국에 대해 뭘 알고 저런 말을 할까요.
@@drunkentiger9134 아니 경제발전을해도 당장 내가안행복한데 그게뭐가중요합니까? 맨날 자사률 1윈데 그리고 완전히 도움이 안됐다면 거짓말이겠지만 지금 이 나라의 교육은 시험을위한 공부지 실생활이나 학문연구에서 전혀 빛을 못바라는 교육방식입니다. 1번에서 5번찍고 답란지에 답적어서 좋은점수먹고 다음달에 까먹는게 교육입니까?
핀란드와 우리나라는 전세계 교육열 1,2위를 다투고 있는데 우리나라는 왜 노벨상이 없는걸가요?
@@drunkentiger9134 this kind of exams are utter bullshit. Sorry for my crude words but people should be evaluated on actual english rather than this pile of gibberish
@@drunkentiger9134 sorry if I’m being rude but no I think that’s wrong in all ways it doesn’t matter if you have the dictionary words that it will make you smart or professional language ment to let ppl communicate with each other to understand what the other person say and believe me even English teacher doesn’t not know all hard words and they don’t use it so why make hard test for just second language they don’t need it if they can let you understand them that’s enough 🙂
@@user-du1cx5ek6k 저분은 애초에 개인의 행복여부는 논외로 쳤음...
아마 여러단점이라 말씀하시면서 행복과는 거리가 있단 것도 인지하셨겠죠
"Many people do not understand large numbers"
Daniel: "Can relate"
LOLLL ME TOO
이 교육을 성공적으로 마친 한국인은 영국인과 대화 한마디 하는 걸 힘겨워 합니다. 네...그게 바로 접니다.
Koreans who have completed this education are having a hard time communicating with British. Yeah, it's me.
성공적으로 마친것만으로도 수고 하시네요..
그냥 찐따라서 말못거는거 아니죠?
말을 왜 그따구로 하시나요 진짜 국어능력이 딸려서 못알아듣는건가요 아니면 그냥 비꼬고싶어서 그러시는건가요 사람이 왜이렇게 꼬여있어요??
별 댓글도 아닌데 08년생부터 겁나 물어뜯네요 ㅋㅋ 현역때 외국어영역 2등급 받았고 나름 읽고 쓰기 능력은 떨어진다고 생각하지 않는데 말하기능력은 형편없다... 학교에서 말하기는 제대로 가르쳐 준 적이 없다라고 쓴 글이 이해가 잘 안되시는 건지. ㅋㅋㅋ
또 언어는 말하기 듣기가 당연히 기본이 되어야 하는데 ... 우리의 교육은 상대적으로 쓰기 읽기에 치중되어 있다는 현실이 안타까워 쓴 글입니다.
I wanna see korean students take a gcse english exam or something to see how they would react in an actual English exam taken by English native speakers
They'll suffer heavily. Korean students rely immensely on multiple choice styles and therefore will find writing essay a huge challenge. Most of my korean mates who came over to the UK as overseas students didnt even know how to write an independent essay, let alone structure one.
Not sure about gcse but as a korean who took the SAT and ACT, they were fairly simple, especially the math was middle school level at best. However what was difficult was the college essay. To be honest, I didn't have a dream other than getting into a 'good' college(mind you good college was just name value, I wasn't even sure what major I wanted to be in). When they asked me questions about where do i see myself 10 years down the line...I had an answer but i couldn't compose anything with detail.
@@jspright5226 It really varies on what education they receive in Korea. I taught Korean middle schoolers for a year. I taught writing classes and parliamentary debate. Some of those kids could write and debate way better than undergrad students I tutored in the states.
That's actually a good idea!
I've seen that done, there was a documentary on TV in the UK (it's on TH-cam somewhere). The students finished a 90 minute exam in about 15 minutes and said it was middle school material and too easy.
I'm the university student in Korea, and in my opinion the english test in KSAT really did helped me to "read" academic papers in english, but not to "write". Actually the biggest part that KSAT overlooked is that the test is concentrated only to evaluate the reading skill, not the most important parts in learning foreign language - speaking and listening. English test in KSAT really helps students to read english papers, but not to make a conservation with english speakers.
Im with you 굉장히 공감합니다 같은 대학생으로서..
"English" as a spoken language is pretty broad, since all the english-speaking countries, have their own culture/idioms/dialects/slang, not to mention different generational gaps (younger/older)
I agree definitely. That's the reason why most of Koreans are not used to speaking English despite pretty good at reading and write.
I have noticed this a lot with Korean students enrolling in Canadian schools. Reading skills are high but speaking and listening skills are lower. Speed is always prioritized too, which isn't always the best strategy in my opinion.
@@핫후라이드-x1f Actually it is written quite well. I'm an English Major, and a native speaker, I might know a little about it. 😉
"I have the answers here "
"can we look at them together?" 😂😂😂
Good luck to everyone taking the exam!!
"So does this mean i'm supposed to know everything about these two geezers here?" That absolutely killed me.
LITERALLY how i decide my exam answers "I want to say number one but we said number one last time"
I was trying to take the first part of the test along with them and I literally kept picking 1 and thinking.. "hmm there's too many 1s!" then I noticed the questions were out of order so I feel pretty confident in my answers even though they didn't go over all the ones they displayed on screen. But yeah, I think your comment is pretty relatebale (your likes confirm this!).
12:20 놀랍게도 수능으로 인생이 정해지다보니 수능치기전까지는 가장 중요한게 될 수 밖에 없음
The tests are horrible for actual English comprehension.
@@thesoupiestsoupster9019 e) frick
This is so true!
If it's any consolation,I remember failing my english comprehension test i took in Canada. They were awful as well.
I feel like those tests are written by people who are awful at communication and don't want to improve as communicators, so they try to make ever teenager better at understanding their convoluted language.
@@JasonMcCarrell not sure what year you took it, but I took the canadian literacy test 4 years ago and I found it pretty easy. Maybe it's changed?
In Sweden we don't learn everyday english after you finnish 4th grade but instead formal writing and speaking.
Daniel is hillarious.
"I almost hit the ans with my pen!"
"Eat banana. Two bananas even!"
I know ,LOL. Love that guy
"It's not really testing how smart you are, it's just testing how you fit the system.". Completely agree.
압니다ㅠㅠ
Tell me which country is not then? We are, lol even you are doing everything you can to fit the "system" you just dont realize it and hypnotizing yourself that you are out of the system but you are not and you never were out of the system...
@지랄하는초딩을보면참교육하는 씹선비 "이건 너가 얼마나 똑똑한지를 시험하는게 아니라, 얼마나 제도에 잘 맞는지 테스트 하는것이다"
지랄하는초딩을보면참교육하는 씹선비 “이거 공부 잘하는지 시험하는 게 아니라 걍 지네 시스템에 맞는지 시험하는 거 아님?” 이거 킹정
I really liked this episode. I'm glad British youngsters were on the point with what's really important, not just amused with the ridiculousness of the test questions. I grew up in America and when I noticed what kind of words you had to study for TOEFL, my immediate reaction was "What for?" Being able to answer a question with words that English speakers don't speak doesn't really test anything other than the fact that you are a good test taker.
its clearly not for casual communication setting. The question are mostly on professional setting, texts you stumble on scholar paper/data findings/dissertation/graphs findings etc. Personally it helps me a lot with my degrees and work now. If my purpose is to converse then we should certainly look at the speaking/listening test not comprehension test.
In my country there's the term:
You learn for life and not for school.
Well
In Korea its the other way tound. You learn for the school, not for life
Where are you from? I think i need to move to your country 😂😂😂
@@prettykankan2032 germany. But wouldn't recommend, Germany is like 3/10
Tell that to a person hiring you for a job. I have a degree in Life, didn't go to school.
@@Mwoods2272 well, I would suggest reading my comment again and mayby think about it for more than one second. If you still do not know what its meaning is, I will surely explain it to you.
@@norahammes2029 Enlighten me.
내일 수능보는 대한민국의 자랑스런 수험생들 모두 재수없어!!!!
영어 지문 볼때 조쉬랑 올리 영어실력이 임하리라!!!!!!
츙떵
튱텽
하잇
@@스투페파이-p3u 아..................시스템 오류인데.....
충생
As a Korean High school student, I feel like even though they got most of the questions wrong, they are much more mature than the average students here in Korea. We should be like you... And that "They don't really test how smart you are but how you fit in the system" was heavy!! Skills to get the questions right even when you don't understand the text do exist!
True, there are different types of intelligence. Everyone is different. Unfortunately, schools often only emphasize "textbook smarts" and want their students to fit a certain formula. In today's world, I think having "soft skills"/being able to communicate with others is far more important and can get you further in life. So students who think they've "failed" just because they didn't get good marks on these technical exams or didn't get into the best universities should not feel discouraged. Like one of the girls said, there is so much more to you, so much more you can do and have to offer to society than what these tests suggest. Life is not defined by test scores.
The English part was way too convoluted. It’s fine to have a long passage, but one passage should have multiple questions rather than one question each. The language used in the passages made sense but felt very much like a university or published research papers. That’s rough. Good luck to all Koreans
Much like? More like 'yes, they actually do.'. They actually use the passages that is used in university research papers.
And very wordy... For no reason... That's what I was taught to CORRECT in English Language classes...
And I'm out here trying to figure out what convoluted means-
@@dais9446 There is actually a reason for it. People in academia use a lot of jargon because they need to be very specific with what they mean. Of course, it's definitely a bit ridiculous for timed tests like these.
I thought the first question was okay. A quick skim and you have your answer
As a maths student, i laughed so hard when they said the integration symbol looked like a forte.
I was scrolling the comments at the time and I knew immediately that there must be an integration sign somewhere lol.
As a violin student I also laughed at that part 😂
As a student that had to learn that in secondary school, I am shocked they didint know what the symbol is
I loved the “alien” competition
저렇게 열심히 하고 성인되서 블랙아웃 되는게 함정..
ㅋㅋㅋ 포멧됨 ㅋ
“ it’s not testing how smart you are, but testing how fit you are to the system”
정답.
@@소원-d9c 문제가 말씀하신거 안에 있네요 외국논문을 가져온다는거 ㅋㅋ 한국고등학생들에게 외국에서 가져온 대학에서나 볼듯한 학술연구를 들이미는거... 시험도 선행학습의 일환인가여 ㅋㅋㅋ 논문은 대학교가서 보는거죠 고등학교가 아니라
@@소원-d9c 1. 위 댓글과 관계없는 문제의 질에대한 얘기를 갑자기 꺼냄. 2. 논문이라는 특성상 당연히 전문성을띈 용어를 쓰는데 그게 과연 도움이 됌? 일상생활, 회사생활같은 곳에 1도 도움이 안됌. 그래서 학생들이 외운 영어는 회사입사에 필요한 토익공부에 거의 도움이 안됌. 그리고 논문을 안읽어본 영국고딩 어쩌구하는데 논문을 읽어본 한국 고딩이 있는게 더 웃기겠다. 3. 문제의 질이고 뭐고 수능강사셨다면서요? 어차피 요령으로 푸는법 가르치셨을텐데 뭘 그리 자부심이 넘치시나요. 이런유형의 문제는 글 아래부분에 답이있다, 이건 3번아니면4번이 잘나온다 이런거나 가르치셨을텐데 문제의 질이 도대체 학생들에게 무슨 상관이 있는지 모르겠네요ㅋㅋ
@@인생은그루트 인생은그루트 논문보다 훨씬 쉬운 저것도 못 읽으면 대학가서 뭐해요? 술먹고 노나? 살면서 논문은 한 번 읽어봤어요? 걍 저 외국인들의 독해 능력이 부족한겁니다. 요령은 무슨 ㅋㅋ 진짜 기가 막혀서
@@이순휘-o4z 그니까 대학가면 논문 읽어야되니까 고딩때 논문읽을수준의 전문용어와 지식을 배워서 와라? 중학생때 고등학교 진도 다 끝내오라는거랑 같은말이네요ㅋㄱㅋ 그냥 마인드 자체가 우리나라 시스템에 딱 맞는분이시네요ㅋㅋ 뭐가 잘못된건지 잘된건지 구분못하고 시키면 하고 하라면 하는 딱 그정도 분이신듯.
@@user-ln5kx3sm4y 공부를 열심히하는게 삶의 목적이신가봐요ㅎㅎ 열심히 사세요!!
가비 vs 조쉬 2019 언어영역 성적대결재밌을거같습니닼ㅋㅋ
조쉬의 국어능력 보여주세요!!!(조쉬도 문제풀이시키기:)
Daniel is really adorable. The world is more joyful with more people like Daniel
영국남자는 수능에 대해서 꾸준히 같은 메시지를 전하고 있다. 그게 정말 너무 고맙다.
I'm indian and our college entrance exams have questions like that too...the english questions are supposed to test comprehension skills, vocabulary, etc and the math is like that too
I'm an Indian too and I can confirm this. I've been preparing for almost a year now for UPSC examination and it may as well be harder than this. English is my second language and I thought that it was pretty easy until I started my coaching classes😣😣😣
@Gargee Basak all top tier colleges...NLUs, IIMs, Narsee Monjee, Symbiosis, Christ
I’ve gone to school in India and I’m literally only in high school rn but I got all the answers right. Granted, I took more than a min per ques but these are very similar to SAT ques and the exams I take in school....lowkey my English class is harder lol
Gargee Basak is it a top tier college though if you can’t even write coherent English?
Gargee Basak you: misses point
“I’m reading out loud but I have *no idea* what I’m saying” 2:50
This guy gets it 😂😅
고등학생때는 등수 성적때문에 어쩔수 없다 할지라도 초등학교 중학교에서는 회화 제대로 할 수 있게 가르쳤으면 좋겠다ㅠㅜ
평생 써먹기 힘든 내용을 공부하는게 뇌의 트레이닝 때문이라면 문제는 더 심각해 지네요. 윤리와 도덕, 감성이 들어갈 틈이 없어지겠죠? 한국 교육의 가장 큰 문제일 수 있지 않을까요? 영상 감사합니다~
외국인들이 한국 수능 푸는건 다른유튜브 채널에서도 많이 봤는데 우리나라 대학생들이 다른나라 시험 보는것도 보고싶다.
The hard part is reading it but not actually trying to understand the words. If I were to do that, I would read it, get overwhelmed and have to read it again but actually concentrating
11:53 "이 시험은 특정한 종류의 사람을 위해 만든 것 같아요. 누가 얼마나 똑똑한지가 아니라, 얼마나 주어진 제도에 잘 맞는지를 보는 거죠."
동감합니다. 이런 방식의 시험이 수십년째 안 바뀌고 있다는 것이 신기할 따름입니다.
한국 사회 어떤 분야보다도 정말 지독하게 안 바뀜..
SiNa 1139 수능만큼 공정한게 없죠. 그리고 수능보고 똑똑한거랑 상관없다고하는건 공부 제대로 안해본 사람임
@@블러-v2w 하나만 잘못틀려도 등급2개까지 내려가는 시험이 수능인데요 ㅋㅋㅋ
@@성욕이없는남자 진짜 아무리 잘나고 재벌이고 나발이어도 인성이 별로면 대표적으로 한진가가 있겠음
이제는 진지하게 인성교육에도 눈을 돌려야 하는데,
국민들이 국영수로 시험 봐서 서열 매기는 걸 선호하기도 하고 그게 공정하다고 생각하니, 어떤 정부가 들어와도 개혁하기 쉽지 않죠.
@@블러-v2w 정시 위주의 수능이 비교적 다른 전형에 비해서 공정하다는 부분 동감하고, 수능이 똑똑한 거랑 상관 있죠. 다만 특정 유형의 사람에게 유리한 시험인 것은 부정할 수 없습니다. 그리고 사람들이 문제시 하는 것은, 영어 같은 특정 과목의 원어민들조차 이해 못하게 꼬아내는 등의 기형적 문제들을 문제삼는 것이구요.
수능도 1년에 한 번, 수능 한 번에 모든 걸 결정짓는 방법이 아니라 사람들이 그렇게 찬양하고 좋아하는 선진국들처럼 분기 정도의 기간마다 시험을 쳐서 시험기회를 여러번 가질 수 있게 하는 방법 등 개선할 수 있는 방법은 너무나도 많습니다. 다만 교육계가 의지를 가지고 바꿀 생각이 없는 것이 문제죠. 이런 여러가지 방법들이 여기저기서 제시 된 지 이미 수십년이 지났는데 옛날과 달라진 부분은 별로 없습니다.
저 영상에서 말한 분도, 저 의역이 완벽한지는 모르겠으나, "수능은 똑똑한 것과 전혀 상관없어~" 라고 말한 것이 아니라
다양한 재능을 가진 사람들이 있는데 한국에서 가장 중요한 시험 중 하나인 수능이라는 시험은 특정유형의 사람들에게 유리한 시험이고 다양한 분야의 인재를 발굴하는 데에는 좀 안 맞다는 취지로 말한 거라고 봅니다.
11:57 Honestly she spoke the truth. High school examinations for uni's are just all about the system and grades
Everybody else: tests don't define you... just be yourself... relax...
Banana dude: *have a banana*
klixxy 523 Banana dude: no... *HAVE TWO BANANAS*
그는 진지했음.. 저도 시작전에 바나나로 뇌에 당분을 공급하는것은 좋은 선택이라고 생각합니다.
@@nearlhenro링포포 오늘수능치는 사람들에게 좋은결과가나오도록...
I hope good results for those taking the KSAT today...
Girl at 11:56 said well, "it's not really testing how smart you are, it's just testing how you fit the system".
And when you try to fit the system you forget your true self. stay strong, guys🐧
agreed! :)
I agree! But purpose of Korea test is how much you study so the testing was made with fairness that anybody must not know
yeahh
I'd like to see an explanation of what she meant by that. What skills does she think they should be testing?
“This seems tailored to one certain type of person. It’s not really testing how smart you are, it’s just testing how you fit the system” DEAR LORD!!! PREACH SISTER PREACH!!!!
Rather than tailored to one certain type of person, it's tailored to one specific skillset: the ability to sniff out relevant information from the insane amount of information we process in our lives, which is exponentially increasing with the aid of technology
영어테스트라기보다는 수학 능력시험은 추론 사고력을 가르는 시험이예요 각 영역별로 도구가 다른것일뿐 ㅠㅠ
6:24 이것은 중학교때 배우는 확률..,
까먹은거겠죠? ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
그것도 영어로 ㅠㅠ
중3인데 저런경우는 서로소가 나올수있는 모든 두수의조합 / 42인가요?
유일하게 저것만 맞췄다...
@@티포시-u9z서로소 조합/ 21이에용
When I was teaching in Korea, a Korean teacher brought me one of those English paragraphs and asked me what it meant. I broke it down to 2 clear, and concise, sentences and I think she thought I wasn't giving her the full translation. LOL I told her people don't really use that language anymore - that it was long-winded and kind of archaic - even by academic standards. Now I understand why she just looked at me stunned. I hope I didn't offend her, but I was new and didn't know their exams were like this. I hope all of you taking this exam do well!! You can do it!!
It's very similar to academic texts though, which I think is what they are going for.
Block1618 I think the English exam in Korean SAT is only to distinguish the student level
한국인이 논문 읽고 이해 못하는거랑 같은 맥락
한글 논문도 이해 못하는데 그걸 영어로 봐야되니...ㅋㅋ
@@riser_123논문이랑 다르게 문장이랑 내용은 어렵지 않은데 쓸모없는 단어랑 어려운단어가 많이나와서그럼
@@riser_123 애초에 일상생활 회화 어휘 시험이 아니라, 대학에서 영어로된 원문을 읽고 이해 할 수 있는지 검증하는 시험입니다.
일상수준내면 당연히 실력 못가름ㅋㅋㅋ
@@갈라치기금지 영어 논문도 저따구로 안나옴
진짜 한국 수능은 역대급임 인간의 한계임그냥 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 인간의한계를 19살때 치러야함 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
성인식임ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
쓰레기같은 대한민국 교육방식임
한계는 한계지 어느 나라가 저 정신나간 길이를 문제당 1분을줘 ㅋㅋㅋ 물론 다 읽는게 아니라 부분부분 유추식이긴하지만
그것도 잠시 끝나자마자 군대감 레알
대학 전공과목 들으시면 수능은 아무것도 아니구나 느낄거임
누가 얼마나 똑똑한지가 아니라 얼마나 주어진 제도에 잘 맞는지를 위한 시험이라 …!
너무 공감합니다 😭
These kids are so right when they say that these questions were basically designed to throw you off. Bright and cute kids.
It seems pretty clear that someone who’s first language is not English wrote this test
TheRealDanBond -- Yeah... I write a little bit (have only been published in one magazine) but when I attempt translate my short stories to Spanish, Portuguese, Indonesian of Filipino... My stories suddenly become dull and boring because the computer translator that I use online only speaks very technical, grammatically correct words and expressions. The computer does not understand how to speak cordial conversation that friends might use in common conversation. (Although my Spanish speaking girlfriend likes it very much when I call her on the phone and read to her the passionate love stories that I've written for her! -- She giggles in the background as I attempt to speak as clearly as I can. (Guessing at much of the pronunciation.) When we then write to each other online, I ask her if she was laughing at the way I spoke her language... She told me that "no, I could understand you... I was just giggling at all the naughty things that you were speaking to me about!' :-D
@@chivalryalive You only speak english I guess? If you knew any other language you would notice that it is pointless to translate stories using online translator :P It might sometimes generate something meaningful but it is certainly not suitable for translating your writings - stories are not only about the plot but also about how it is described. She was probably laughing at how bad the translation was.
If I translate your message into my native language (Changed few things because they couldn't be translated directly. I might not write perfect english but I understand it perfectly - you have to trust me :') ) and use google translate then the result is:
Yes ... He writes a little (they were published in only one magazine), but when he tries to translate my short stories into Spanish, Portuguese, Indonesian or Filipino ... Then my stories suddenly become monotonous and boring, because the online computer translator I use can speak only a very technical, grammatically correct language in terms of words and expressions. He can't understand how to talk like friends talk in a normal conversation. (Apart from the fact that my girlfriend who speaks Spanish likes very much when I call her and read her my exciting love stories that I wrote for her, she giggles in the background when she tries to read them as accurately as I can. (Guessing most of the pronunciation). When we later talked to each other on the internet, I asked her if she was laughing all the time when I spoke in her language. She told me that "No, I could understand you ... I just giggled when you said all these naughty things to me"
As you can see the meaning in some parts of the text is different. It is even no longer about You but about "He" and later you can find out that your girlfriend was trying to read your stories to you. So well... don't use it xD
They're word problems, not literature. One of them is even a math (discrete probability) problem. They're made to be read and broken down so you can logically solve them, or at least match them to the likeliest answer. The problem with these kids is they have no critical thinking skills and they're trying to interpret the text at face value and only face value. Our future workforce is going to be in serious trouble when they get a job in an office and they have to listen to a bozo in a suit ramble on about nonsense, and then turn that into a product.
@@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262 But as a general exam why would you need to know discrete probability unless you plan on working in field that may have to use it. The other question was a calculus problem which most people don't need if you aren't doing jobs such as engineering. I didn't even get introduced to these topics until I was in college. The integral question I may have been able to do since I got a taste of calculus in high school, though I never got to integrals in high school. The marbles problem I wouldn't had been able to solve until my sophomore of college since discrete probabilities is part of the curriculum for computer science engineering majors. The first set of problems were also unnecessarily advanced as you wouldn't encounter this type of vernacular language in everyday English. The exam really just seems more appropriate for scientifically rigorous students, not the general population.
@@CiviClipz It shows their grade school education system is probably more rigorous than ours. Although americans will generally be introduced to some probability, but not much, in algebra and probably calc AB. And even calc AB is common for american seniors in highschool. I took it in highschool and it was basically calc 1 in college (which I retook). Yeah, I took probability as part of Discrete Mathematics courses for my CS degree as well, but really it was something I could have learned in highschool all the same. And the reading word problems weren't impossible. They shouldn't have to read like vernacular you're familiar with for a reader to break the passages down and approach the problems. Someone else in the comments pointed out the first passage, for example, is from a book written by some professor, from MIT or Princeton or something, so readers need to be able to parse it for information, it's not some sort of broken pidgin, it's written by an intellectual. Looking for information shouldn't be limited to a comfort zone. Being challenged pushes the mind to think outside the box
edit: it was Columbia
이영상보면서 우리나라 학생들이 너무 불쌍하다는 생각이 들었다;; ㅠㅠ 저러니 어렸을때부터 사교육에 미치듯 매달리지... 에고;; 의미있는 영상 찍어주셔서 너무너무 감사합니다 :)
우리나라의 현실 시험 ....
얼마나 논리적인가를 따지고 그만큼 시험 문제에 논술을 적용하고 배배꼬아 만든 시험임을 열실히 보여주고 있습니다
초등학교 시험 문제를 보더라도 이해하기 어렵게 . ...그러면서도 이해하도록 참 어찌보면 말이 돼지않게하고 이해하며 풀도록 만들었습니다
논술이라는 학원이 생긴건도 창의력 증진 이라는 이해하기 어려운 말로포장했듯 우리 현실 시험도
논술에 포장돼었다 생각 됍니다
To the guy with the buttoned up shirt: I can relate on a spiritual level.
모국어가 영어인 10대 친구들이 우리나라 수능 영어보고 진짜 속으로는 뭐라 생각했을까 ㅋㅋ... 🤔🤭
미처버린 시험지?
우리가 국어시험칠때랑 비슷할듯 ㅋㅋㅋ
원래 다 그래요 외국에서 한국어능력시험 엄청 어려움..
근데 진짜 하버드나 미국 명문대 다니는 학생들 상대로 풀어보게 했는데 거의 다 맞춤
@@매더 그렇지 ㅋㅋㅋ 이런 느낌인
KSAT : Korean Students Are Tortured by this Test
LOL OMG This is sooooo true
HAHAHAHA
But it's true. absolutely XD
ㅋㅋㅋfucking true
인정 ㅅㅂ ....
우리가 국어 비문학 보는 거랑 똑같은 거지 우리한테도 비문학 오지게 어렵잖아...😭
"many ppl do not understand large numbers"
Daniel: hehe "can relate"
Me: same here........
In the "english passage" part, because they expect students to answer in such a short time, it will lead them to read the question first and hurriedly look for the answer in the passage (Instead of the other way around). This won't help that much in terms of improving your english comprehension level, I don't think
It's almost like standardized tests of this nature are a bad barometer for learning and potential achievement. If only we had research on this... (We do - one example, www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/26/new-research-suggests-sat-under-or-overpredicts-first-year-grades-hundreds-thousands )
이렇게 현지인들도 햇갈릴정도로 문제를 만든 그 사람들도 대단하다
짜피 영어시험은 해외 영어논문에서 따와서 만드는거라 그리 힘들진않음
쩌피 절평이라 공부 ㅈ도안해도 점수 잘나옴 ㅋㅋㅋ
서초메가쌤이 얘기해주길 서초메가 이새끼들 1주일에 20분도 안하는데 1등급비율 80프로인게 에바라고
아무리 잘하는 애들이라도 공부안하면 성적 안나와야되는데 영어는 시바 ㅋㅋㅋ절평이 애들 다배림
저기는 지문 걸러 읽는법을 모르니까 더 어려울듯..ㅋㅋㅋ
Mickey Jean 서초메가 의대합격만 말한겁니다.
Mickey Jean 잘하는애들만 뫃아놓은학원이지만 그 공부량으론 나올수 없는성적이 나오는거죠 ㅋㅋㅋ 영어 상대시절엔 컷이 엄청높아서 압박감이 컸는데 절대되고 나서부터는 문제는 어려워도 괴랄한 등급컷이 아니니깐
우리나라 수능제도와 시험문제에 대해 고민해야 할 대목을 확실하게 짚어주는 군요.. 감사해요.
Now I understand why Jungkook got a 3 on his English exam
Exactly😂😂
Oh my god😂
I might got a 1 then...
@@txrain_bts5757 Hell I'll probably get a 0😂
I wondering how namjoon pass this, thank God for F.R.I.E.N.D.S,
난 다른 나라도 이 정도 하는줄 알았어,, 근데 우리가 너무 지나치게 치열하게 사는거 같음
이게 다 주변국 때문임
This SAT seems to be testing the IQ level, which is one form of intelligence. For example, how quick you can read a big paragraph and answer within 60 seconds is something that you can practice all your life and still fail if you don't have the genetic ability to do so. Some questions were more general knowledge but worded in a way that makes it difficult for an average student to answer correctly. In the best University, they want people who can learn "quickly" because you can't succeed sadly if you are a hard worker but can't follow in class. There is some urban myth going around that everyone can have an amazing SAT given enough practice, this is simply not true. There is a cap to anyone's potential in that particular type of test (they are designed to test your raw genetic potential). Memory is also partially defined by your genes. Now, I am not saying that you don't have to study for these tests, I am just saying that they target one form of intelligence called IQ. You cannot have an IQ around 100 (average), and be accepted in a top 3 Korean University, this is impossible because even if you study all your life you won't do good enough in the SAT.
Damn, such motivation ;-;
You seem to forget that the expression of genetics depends nurture and environment, and that IQ is significantly impacted by brain development and mental exercise. You're right, everyone has a genetic cap. But that cap is a high up there and most people have the genetic potential to exceed the average by a significant margin.
But let's be honest, what's the difference between a top 3 uni and low level one? You still got your degree and now the rest is up to you. The name of the school on that piece of paper can only take you so far
@@latenightthinker4737 You are right that IQ will also depend on metrics when you are in the womb to early childhood like malnutrition, mental stimulation, etc. Your mental aptitude is set when you are 3 to 5 years old (debatable). So these early years are crucial to the person you will become. I am a psychology graduate (although it was almost 10 years ago), IQ is a topic that still fascinates me because there is no consensus as the exact role of nature vs nurture, even tho there seems to be an understanding that when you are in high school you cannot increase your IQ, it is already set. My comment was more leaning toward that. If you have been neglected in the womb and early age, and your genes were already weak, you cannot through hard work in high school increase your IQ. My comment should have been more nuance.
I agree 100% with your last paragraph. But the thing is for the Korean societal perception Top 3 University matter. For the families, it does too. Going to a good University in America can help create strong connections and give you an edge. I assume that it's the same in Korea. So, in theory, you are right, but people like the self-fulfilling prophecy, therefore SAT test is very important. For me, it was not. I was the worse student in High School and College but became very good in University. I never liked school, never listen to teachers, never do any homework, but there was something hidden in me and every time I was at least trying I was succeeding. I later found out that I had a high IQ, which is frankly the only reason why I was able to do well in University while not knowing much about anything prior.
p.s: I still have flashback memories of my mom reading stories to me when I was really young. I even think she read Piaget back then and use his tools to help me and my brother. Now, why did I fail so much in high school is a combination of getting bullied, playing video games non-stop and not caring about school at all. I was still able to never fail a school year but it was always with having weak B and C.
이런거 볼때마다 느끼는 거지만 못푸는 내가 정상이였던거야...
재네들도 모르는데...
공부안하고 이제와서 헛소리하네 ㅋㅋ
정상은 아님
처음 보는 유형들인데 못푸는게 정상이지.. 공부안한 니가 정상은 아니란다
여기 답글 왜이러냐 그냥 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ하고 넘기면 되는 걸 비정상이라고 욕하네. 하여간 월등감없인 못살지?
영어를 모국어로 사용하는 사람이라고 모든 영어단어와 문장을 해석하고 이해할 수는 없죠 . 우리나라도 수준높은 한국어 단어나 글을 이해 못하는 사람이 많은 것처럼요. 정상비정상의 문제가 아니라 각자 실력을 평가하면 되겠네요
애초에 수능은 외국인과 대화할 수 있으라고 만든 문제가 아닌 전공서나 논문을 읽을 수 있을 최소한의 능력이 될 수 있는지를 판별하기 위해 만든 시험입니다.
문제 내는 사람들도 알아요.
자기들이 낸 문제로 외국인과 대화할 수 있을 거라고 생각하지 않아요.
Fact , 실제 논문도 쉽게 쓸 수 있는건 최대한 쉽게 쓴다.
애초에 그러면 듣기평가는 필요없잖아ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@민창희 헐 그러네
@주르투레 영어논문도 무슨 전공이냐에따라 다를거같은데.. 이과나 공대쪽은 영어논문이어도 별 무리없지만 사과대쪽은 필요한 능력일거같네요.
맞음.. 논문은 설명문이기 때문에 간결하고 명확하게 씀. 교과서도 역시 설명문이고. 내 지도교수가 처음 한 말이 생각남. 논문은 전공이 아닌 사람이 읽어도 이해가 갈 수 있도록 써야한다라고 가르쳤지. 물론 대부분의 논문이 전공이 아닌 사람이 읽으면 이해하기 힘들지만 그게 문장 때문에 이해를 못하게 되는 건 아님. 복잡한 문장은 문학에나 필요하지.
06:50 이 분은 억울한게 전체 경우의 수가 21개라는 건 알고 2, 3, 5번 중에 답이 있다고 말씀하신 것 같음 ㅋㅋ단지 21이 3으로 바뀔 수도 있다는 건 순간 깜빡하신듯 ㅋㅋ
그런데 확실히 영국친구들은 저런 쓸데없는 내용을 공부할 시간에 유머나 센스를 자연스레 배우는거 같네요.. 말하는 방법이나 상황을 재밌게 넘기면서 소통하는 모습이 더 지적으로 느껴짐
남학생이 "우리나라(영국) 시험은 아무리 적은 지식이라도 최대한 표현할 수 있도록 하는 테스트인데", 라고 말하는 부분이 정말 인상적입니다. 과연 교육관에 있어선 영국이 제대로네요. 창의력 말살 지식의 대량주입은 이제그만.
계속 해도 될거 같에요 한국에서 안살면 그만이니까요 ㅋㅋ
반대로 우리나라 시험은 수많은 지식을 최대한 짧고 명료하게 표현할 수 있도록 하는 테스트라는 점이 와닿네요 ㅎㅅㅎ
도대체 난 이렇게 말한 사람들 얼마나 우리나라에서 교육을 제대로 열심히 받았을까 궁금하다 ㅋㅋㅋ수능 시험을 쳐본 사람이라면 수능이란 시험 자체가 주입식 교육으로는 절대 불가능한 거 알텐데 ㅋㅋ 그리고 나도 외국에서도 수업 들어봤지만 한국이랑 다른거 없는데 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ제발ㅋㅋㅋ외국에 대한 환상이 없었으면 좋겠다ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@름이-q1q 그러니까요.. ㅎㅎ
@@름이-q1q ㅈㄴ ㅇㅈ
우린 학벌주의라고 ㅈㄴ 뭐라하는데 차라리 학벌주의가 나은거임
영국은 어디 대학나왔냐고 물어보는게 아니라
부모님이 누구냐고 물어보는 나란데..
수능은 미국따라 만든건데 깔꺼면 미국먼저 까지
늦은 시청이지만 언제나 응원합니다! 악플도 이겨내야 진정한 승자가 아닐까싶네요~ 좋은 컨텐츠 감사합니다! 조쉬 한국의 위상을 높여주시는 영상 감사드리며 정치적이거나 악플이거나 항상 웃으시길 바랍니다!
영어가 모국어인 사람들이 못 푸는 문제를 우리나라 학생이 풀다니.... 아이러니하네 ㅋㅋ
그것도 1,2분안에ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ...
원문에 있는 단어들을 평가원이 수험생들 풀기쉽게 바꾸니까 원어민들은 바뀐 단어때문에 문장을 어색하게느끼는거임
외국어 만점이고 스카이다니는데 제발 아카데믹 영어랑 일반 영어랑 구분좀 하세요
그냥 스킬인셈이요. 시험을 위한 공부 그리고 스킬
제발 병신티좀 그만내세요
it's like taking ielts.
american english: my loneliness is killin me
ielts: the isolation i find myself in brings misery unto my life.
this is how i find their sat questionnaire.
AND IIIIIII
Yoongi infires me I MUST CONFESS, I STILL BELIEVE (still believe)
This test is more of a Concentration and focus test rather than a language test , it doesn't really focus on the language but just in the fact you can collect informations in total randomness.
@@joshbhoy yeah , so when someone is already fluent in english and know the meaning of most words they can be able to kind of get the right answer .
But i think the time given is kind of ridiculously short .
It's a comprehension test, commonly seen in SATs/LSAT. The average native English student would find those challenging regardless. It's testing for academic literature fluency rather than conversational/practical fluency
If none of you could understand the texts in their entirety, it's not because it's a "concentration and focus test" and sorting through "randomness." Y'all just aren't as literate as y'all think.
exclusive for koreans only LOLLLLL
@@Un1234l English is like the 4th spoken language i've got to learn and 3rd written,and its not even included in my studies or what i have specialized in, so yes I am not as literate as a person who had english as their first language or study it as their major .
But these texts contain just too much informations , and linking them in 1 minute of time to one suggestion, is pretty hard to do , and needs alot of focus , thats what i meant .
확실히 선진교육을 받고 자란 친구들은 어린 나이에도 인생의 어떠한 부분이 중요한지를 아는 것 같다 . 아직 멀었다 우리나라 ㅠㅠ
꼰머국가죠 그냥
님도 제도에 맞추어 살고 계시잖아요~
말도 안되는 사회를 바꾸기 위해서 무엇을 하고 계시죠?
@@hsookq1470 선진국에서 유학하고 내 자식도 유학시킬준비 참고로 모 정당 당원활동
우리도 알아요ㅠㅠ근데 어쩔수 없잖아요.. 정말 우리나라는 한참 멀었습니다
외국에서 사는 한국 영어과외 쌤이 외국 아이비리그에서 한국으로 말하면 신방과 같은 학과의 대학원 출신에게 수능 영어시험 보라고 했는데 70%밖에 못맞추더라
여기서는 다른 과목도 보니 한국인들이 정말 세계에서 손에 꼽고 또 꼽을 정도로 초고학력의 초경쟁 국가임이 나타나는군 가슴 아프다
한국의 수많은 수험생과 초고학력 초경쟁 시대를 지내는 젊은이들을 응원합니다 이런 나라 밖에 만들어 주지 못해서 미안합니다
하지만 이렇게 할수 밖에 없는 자원빈국에 태어난 이상 현실을 이겨내고 현재의 한류처럼 그대들의 꿈을 세계에 펼치기 위한 능력 개발이라 생각 해주길 바랍니다
외국인 직원과 한국인 직원들을 같은 업무로 평가해보면 사실 한국인들이 월등히 높은게 사실인건 이런 초고학력 초경쟁을 통해 다져진 능력 때문이라 생각합니다
혹자는 한국 교육 시스템을 욕하기도 하지만 이렇게 육성 되어진 젊은이들의 능력은 세계에 나가도 그 어떤 나라의 인재들과 경쟁해도 손색이 없습니다
나는 우리나라 젊은이들이 자랑 스럽습니다 우리가 한거라곤 돈에 팔려 목숨걸고 전쟁하고 선진국에서 하기 싫어하는 일을 도맡아 한거 밖에 없지만 지금의 초고학력 초경쟁 시대를 겪어 오고 있는 이땅의 젊은이들의 아픔에 가슴이 저리고 미어집니다 그래도 부디 포기하거나 좌절 하지 않길 바랍니다
현재의 한국의 위상과 경제 산업의 전반과 시대적 흐름상 한국은 반드시 세계의 리더국으로 부상 할것이며 그를 지탱하는건 오직 이땅의 젊은이 당신들 뿐입니다
능력이 안되 이런 나라밖에 만들어 주지 못해 미안하고 또 미안하지만 그대들의 앞날에 축복과 건승을 빌어 봅니다 바쁜 와중에도 건강은 꼭 챙기세요 이말 밖에 해줄수 없어 미안합니다
공감합니다
젊은 세대는 지금보다 더 나은 대한민국을 만들어 공정한사회를 만들주길 바래요
현제 시스템은 부모들이 만든거에요. 교육부 는 부모들 따라갈뿐임.
아무래도 경쟁력이 인적자원에 몰린건있죠.
전 이글을 읽는데 왜때문에 이렇게 슬프죠?...ㅠㅠ
딱히 수준이 높아서 그렇다기엔..... 그냥 배우고 시험하는 방식이 다를 뿐이죠.
Such a heartwarming msg at the end. That was beautiful.
이러니까 우리나라가 미친거지 영국인들이 어려워하는걸 우라보고는 풀으라고하냐...
제이 영어는 외국인들한테 쉬운편이에용
수학이 한국이 어렵지
그래서 언어몇등급?? 이런새끼보면 언어 8등급이던데
제발 시험 이름 개념좀 생각하자
애초에 수능영어가 기본기도 탄탄해야되지만 결국 그 수능에서 요구하는 능력을 존나 연습하는게 중요함
영상에 나오는 외국애들이 우리나라 고3 처럼 수능영어 공부하면 기본기 쪽에서 압살하기 때문에
문제 푸는 스킬만 잘 배양하면 당연히 재네들이 더잘함
우리나라 고딩들이 제네보다 빨리 읽어서 빨리 푸는 줄암? 상식적으로 그게 말이 안되지
그냥 저 문제 푸는 짓거리를 하도 많이해서 답찾는 방법을 아는거임 어떻게 보면 독해력이지
지문안에 핵심을 빨리 찾아 내는법!
무식하게 존나 읽는 다고 답나오는 시험이 아니야 오히려 다읽으면 더 헷갈리는 시험임
daniel's is really funny and relatable, he should be in more episodes
Me in American School: "I wanna die"
(If) Me in Korean school: "I'm dead"
Edit: whoa!! Thxx for all the likes y'all :)
Edit: JESUS!!! THIS IS MY FIRST TIME 1K Likes!! Thxx uwu T^T 💖
Rem Rawt exactly right
i'm dead X(
Suicide rates of high school students in Korea is quite high
No actually Korean schools are not that hard
The_Kingbelz who ever said that should be in kindergarten or elementary school.