Tragedy of Lebanon,carved in constitutional sectarianism & caught in Israel-Hezbollah-Palestine trap
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- Lebanon, caught in Hezbollah-Israel crossfire, is a sobering case study of how much damage a country can do itself by embracing bad ideas like constitutional sectarianism & proportional representation. In Ep 1331 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta talks about why Lebanon is a failed state, its curse of “Confessionalism” and lessons for India
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As elections come closer, Mr Gupta seems to become more overtly propagandist
Appreciate how he can make a propaganda video under the mask of a pseudo sermon, giving the example of a distant, failed state with many complex problems of its own...
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@@kmbonjovifanExactly 😂
Even Tamilnadu did it. Gupta ji.
کبھی جاں اور کبھی تسلیم جاں ہے زندگی
Mr Gupta Told everything but consciously suppressed how within few decades Lebanon became Muslim majority from Christian majority and what others can learn from this.
That's normal for him, "obvious"..
But if in a relatively poor country like India, somewhere someplace a poor law & order situation happens, more specifically a Muslim is a once in a while victim, he gets all preachy
What do you think he was given Padma Bhushan for?
Biased Stories?
Especially considering the demographic trends even he didn't deny, you'd think it was important.....
You are absolutely right.
Indian secular nationalism prevails so long as Hindus are in majority.
That's why we need more atheist people.
Yes, indeed. Israel's not the only democracy in the middle East without reason.
@@SidhantDhagareatheists are never nationalists and are disloyal.
@@bhinbhinkaka6514 atheist muslims are more nationalist than muslims because they hate islamic Islamic cuntry
Hindus have been the majority all along but we haven’t seen anything adverse. Comparing a shitty Lebanon with India itself is wrong.
The Christians declined to become a minority in Lebanon.
Muslim Palestinian people poured into Lebanon.
The demographics changed and lead to Civil war
Wish he had explained how Christians became minority in Lebanon
Palestinians have high birth rates. That's why Israel wants to keep them out. They are not stupid. Lebanon took them in, and sufferred. Even Egypt doesn't want them.
Gupta hid that beautifully with his eloquent presentation
Such a Muslim bootlicker
@@rajx7120 Same with Jordan. They had trouble with Palestinians and put down few thousands of them with help of Pak army. Black September.
An Islamic terrorist state can't survive. They don't know how to govern. Inflation poverty can be rest assured. From childhood they are taught that they are born to die not to live.
Example Pakistan, Seria, Lebanon, Palastine, jorden
Love how he don't tell us how many Christians used to be in Lebanon before demography change and a civil war 6:25
They never forget their agenda.
yes he didn't tell how Palestinians entered and changed demographic structure of Lebanon
C'mon do you expect Sekhar to tell this truth
Woh hawk hai aur hawk rahenge
Thats why i will prefer chinas 🇨🇳one party system bcz them they dont have to play divide and rule game and focus on development. Regarding freedom of speech and expression, vo to aaj bhi utni nahi hai . I want BJP to take over India 🇮🇳 and implement one party system else Congress and other leftist party will destroy india and they will make islamic india
This is the problem with Indian so called left! Until early 70s Lebanon was a Christian majority nation. Trouble started when they lost the majority status and most Christians migrated to west. Lesson for India is to remain Hindu majority so that all Indians can live in peace
Pre 1977 Iran was a fascinating country...
Pre 1980 Afghanistan was a fascinating country...
Pre Islamic Persia was a fascinating country...
Pre Islamic Egypt was a fascinating country....
Turkey is most underdeveloped country of Europe and Malaysia is way inferior to Singapore...
India is way inferior and underdeveloped than China.
India is way inferior to China, what is your point?
And India has lower per capita gdp than all of them, your data is either irrelevant or massively opinionated.
@@hamzahussain7598 And India is the fastest growing major economy in the world which doesn't depend upon below earth oil without human resource... India, due to it's geo-historical reality, should only be compared with Pakistan.... And you know the pathetic reality of Pakistan due to the same religious saga ...
@@hamzahussain7598 U KNOW THAT CHINA HAVE LOWER PER CAPITA THAN US , because of population about 1.5 billion and increasing though they have more money than us around 33trillion usd . dude its population , if u r indian please go out of india go to egypt
Wonder what changed in a country that was called Paris if the middle east .....must be something to do with change of demographics
Yes Palestinian Immigrants took over in 3 decades
Whatever happened is a lesson in itself for all. This is exactly why Shekhar skirted the issue saying that is a different story. Read between the lines.
Thats why i will prefer chinas 🇨🇳one party system bcz them they dont have to play divide and rule game and focus on development. Regarding freedom of speech and expression, vo to aaj bhi utni nahi hai . I want BJP to take over India 🇮🇳 and implement one party system else Congress and other leftist party will destroy india and they will make islamic india
Guptaji thinks we all suffer from insomnia that's why he uploads at midnight. He is not wrong though 😢
Ambedkar said - "I want to free India from all kind of ism and allow free flow of all ideas". This jitni abaadi, utna haaq is an absurd demand. It would be better if we pursue universal education, heathcare and good infrastructure rather than create permanent social barriers.
And end up like Lebanon or Palastine.
Even our pappu Rahul Gandhi wants to implement the similar Lebanon system in India of demographics. He said jitni abaadi utni haq or more the population more development for that particular community. Such is the IQ of this specimen who will lead our country to chaos if ever implemented just for political power.
Lebanon started becoming a basket case once Christians became minority! Now it's failed state!
Already we have a lebanon type government
All higher government posts are reserved only for brahmins 😂
@@AnemoiaGuy What is your proof to back up your statement. Is it just some random assumption or your inherent bias towards Brahmins that makes you think so because in reality it's not true.
@bookreview1109 r u ignorant no one can stop u if u r competent 😢it is a excuse statement from an incompetent person
@@repanh1979lol. Bhaiya caste discrimination toh hota hi nahi hai tumhari duniya mein.
Unable to comprehend every country where Muslim population has become biggest religious majority have gone to ruins. Probably exception is Bangladesh, but then almost 20% of Bangladeshi population has moved to India thereby creating artificial control on population. If there were to be the illegal bangladeshi back in thier country, we would know the real situation
Let the world wake up to this hard reality
@@37sairamandha bhakts are barking here
Lebanon (and our own Partition - Jinnah argued for the same) is a good example of why Congress party's Jitna Haq Utna Abadi is a terrible, treasonous and poisonous idea. Proportionality derived from confessionalism is a disaster, you will never get the right person with the right skill set and experience to the do the job.
If you want social justice, you need to remove barriers, not add new ones. You need to grow the economy, increase opportunities, increase the amount of choices a person has access to pursue opportunities.
You are absolutely correct. It is a poisonous idea.
As if hindutva is not dangerous...it is much more dangerous.
@@boilendimngel8181 Still better than Islamism. Nobody seems to say that before pointing out hindutva.
@@boilendimngel8181 yes hindutva executes gays and they take away women’s rights. They are trying to take over the world and convert everyone to Hinduism. Yeah thanks!
Hindutva does not hold a candle in front of Islam!
@@boilendimngel8181 it is less dangerous than caste , language, North vs South, etc Divisive politics, hindutva brought in huge development and political stability. The war cry against hindutva is the tears of casteist elites who have lost their family fiefdoms, corruption money Nd now cannot see india developing.
Democracy & Political Islam cannot go together !!
It is necessary to keep state
Separate from Religion & whosoever leader is elected should respect everyone's Religion & should not discriminate on basis of Religion
keep his own religious belief personal to himself !!
Political Islam is more dangerous than Chinese CCP. Atleast CCP uses science islam will be stuck in 7th century
Same with any other religion.
Well said!
There is no difference like islam and political islam.
Islam aka koran is ahate speech against all other faiths.
They want it to go together
My grandparents came from lahore and they suffered for some time after partition. But today my father believes that a partion was a much better solution than otherwise.
I am sure he would also agree that the partition was incomplete as Muslims that voted for Pakistan never left India.
@@Prat2023soon thy will make new pak
@@filmy2666they will leave india
When peaceful religion is in majority, they always mix religion and politics. There are 50+ such countries. They officially call it the Peaceful Republic of ABC. Lebanon is not unique. Peaceful want Secularism only as long as it is in minority.
I just want to say thank you Mr. Gupta for explaining geopolitics in a way I can better understand. Love from the US. 🇺🇸🤝🇮🇳
Hatt bay
Jay Maharashtra bhau 🎉
Shows how much ignorant you are.
@@Grrr111___😂😂 Akal ghutnon mein rakh diye?
Lebanon was peaceful until Muslim became majority
Thank you for doing this episode 🙏🏻
Lebanon is a perfect example of why Too Much Reservation and Jitni Aabadi Utna Haqq can destroy nations.
Nevertheless INC has done more Divide and Rule than even the British did in India and definitely more than BJP. BJP only does based on religion. INC does it on religion, caste, regional divide and elitism.
how shameless you are, mr. bhakth. your god modi will publicly say that Muslims can be identified by their dress. He shamelessly chant jay sree ram and har har maha dev. Nothing wrong in chanting those things but not as PM of India.
Tell modi to stop his obc politics...i still remember insulting narendra modi is an insult to all the obc.
bruh what about the divide and rule by brahmanism ideology, the creation of whole groups as untouchables is pretty divisive, not allowing around 25% of the population inside temples is very non divide and rule right, and not marrying out side of ones own caste is definitely not divide and rule but rather unite and rule policy right? And most importantly not allowing certain population to accuqire education and thus inturn prevent power going into their hands is definitely not meant to divide and rule
@@tvpuramIf owasi can say Allah Allah, so what is wrong with Modi saying Jai Shri Ram... Owasi is also a MP.. You people should have gone to Pakistan if you had problem with Hindu..
Modi/BJP has raped countless Muslim women
Excellent & timely episode. This confessional type of governance was implemented in 1943 but it could not survive for even 25 years because of the civil war which began in 1975. Your analysis and particularly your comments about applicability of this sort of arrangement in India is 100% accurate. Apart from the article which you have recommended & attached, "From Beirut to Jerusalem" Is an excellent book for anyone wanting to know more about Lebanon. Nationalism certainly runs deeper among us indians thats why despite multiple languages, religions, castes, huge size, centuries of colonial India has not only survived but progressed as a nation. Great episode 👏👏👏
No caste has ever been threat to nationalism.
Only religion particularly Islam is threat to Indian nationalism which already divided the country in 1947. Don't hide behind jargon, call spade a spade.
Is this book by Friedman?
Thank you, Sachin, for the book recommendation. I'm also glad to know you enjoyed this episode. Do keep watching and writing in...best wishes, Shekhar
@@ThePrintIndia Thanks Shekhar Sir for writing to me. I regularly watch videos posted by you and your team. Your prompt and in-depth coverage of almost every national and international issue/event is truly fantastic. Best wishes to you and everyone at "The Print". Thanks once again for your message..🙏
" Mixing religion and politics is
like mixing ice-cream and manure.
It doesn't do much to the manure
but it sure does ruin the ice-cream."
- Anon
If the color of religion is green its okay to mix it with religion though. Color manure goes well with it.
Whatever be the argument but mixing religions into politics is most cruel thing happened not only in India but also in most parts of the world
Thats why i will prefer chinas 🇨🇳one party system bcz them they dont have to play divide and rule game and focus on development. Regarding freedom of speech and expression, vo to aaj bhi utni nahi hai . I want BJP to take over India 🇮🇳 and implement one party system else Congress and other leftist party will destroy india and they will make islamic india
@@sanjaychauhan1116
Sanskari BJP MP Brij Bhushan will be minister of women development..
@@mg.f.9023 sanskari priyank kharge ji will be the head of ministry of anti hindu and conversions .
Lebanon was once like Las Vegas ! A wealthy 50-50 divided between Muslims and Christians . Everything worked well till Palestinians forced out after a war with Israel entered Lebanon and as it always is with Islamists , everything went to hell . Majority Christmas from here are now in US .
Many experts argued to remove this reservation System for betterment of Lebanon but once given to people it is impossible to take it back from them, hence only option it left is to keep digging as Lebanon did, a self perpetuating vicious cycle and race to bottom
Thats why i will prefer chinas 🇨🇳one party system bcz them they dont have to play divide and rule game and focus on development. Regarding freedom of speech and expression, vo to aaj bhi utni nahi hai . I want BJP to take over India 🇮🇳 and implement one party system else Congress and other leftist party will destroy india and they will make islamic india
Another less known fact: Lebanon has a glorious 5000 year old civilizational history and was held up as a beacon of liberalism as they kept making concessions to their so called minorities. It has now devolved from one of the richest countries in the world to one of the poorest. Many lessons for India there.
Thank you Shekar Ji for this episode to educate about Lebanon. I do hope that people in India will rise above the caste wars that Nitish Kumar and Congress are unleashing on the Indian masses.
ful sapot to hindu nashnul modiji
People like you hurt our country
Where were you when modi was perpetuating relegious division? The indian political ethics has been altered forever thanks to your blind devotion for the ruling dispensation, what you reap, is what you sow.
Modi After becoming pm should have modified himself and not indulgence into religion matters n differences in his speeches post 2016 onwards in functions n elections rallies. After all he is prime minister of india
I respect your work sir , but there is need to exapnading internal democracy within the political system to avoid sectarianism, why only fraction of caste people controlling political and judicial control , In Telangana BC share of population is 56% but seats in assembly 24/119 which is meagre 20% SC/ST s are becoming MLAs because of reservation but they have to bark like street dogs as per higher instructions, They don’t have any actual powers in the party(ALL parties), Why govts offering schemes on the basis of castes, In these times how many people are doing only caste based professions,
Eg.If dominant caste hegemony on other castes is the mandate then majoritywill fight for their share of power, whats wrong in that “Jithni Jiski Aabadi Uthna Uskaa Hakk’
Jist of this story is, population is Destiny. Paris of the east was reduced to a infighting mess. All due to one great & peaceful religion.
The problem is not proportional share in the power structure, the problem is democracy in deeply divided societies of the Thitd World. The truth is democracy evolved in small European nations with negligible diversity till the end of the Second World War. In third world conditions of deep fault lines, democracy gives rise to civil war ( Ceylon) dismemberment (Pakistan) perpetual ferment ( Nepal ) authoritarianism ( East Bengal) and violence and general lowering of standards to accommodate competing interests ( India) .
Sir yours & the print's commitment to speak what is right against popular opinions is something we don't find anymore in the country. People blindly choose side according to their ideological inclination without looking at the bigger picture.
3 things we learnt
1. Everything in Lebanon has deteriorated since 1950 EXCEPT the population of muslims
2. Lebanon changed from a thriving nation to a rogue nation, failed state - correlation? rise of Islamic population
3. it debunks the theory that caste doesnt exist in christianity - there are so many sects, practices in christianity also and one doesnt mingle with the other. Same with muslims - they have various tribes in addition to faiths like sunni, shias, deobandis, ahemadia etc who kill each other, nations are at wars based on intra muslim faiths
There is a difference between caste and denominations.
Educate yourself.
@@MARKCRASTO you can call it 'denomination' or 'yourshit' for all anyone cares - bottomline is that serious differences exist within the Abrahamic faiths and more wars have been fought between two muslim nations and between christian faiths in recent centuries - thats the point you need to understand. Yes, you can get fancy with the terminologies but you are missing the root of it.
@@samyvik2888 I too taught the same that theres no sect in Christianity but there's Secterian Divide between them also but an Important Example of Christianity is the European Union after the Destruction of 2nd world war all the christian countries came together for economic development and prosperity backed by Marshall plan of US the Divide in Islam is so deep that they wont come together although having oil resources, although having resources many states are rogue or failed like LEBANON, and the Tech Disruption which is taking place in the World makes Major Economies like CHINA,US,INDIA to not be dependent on oil and move to EV's with clean source of Energy once the Energy Bills are reduced i dont know where these Gulf Countries will go its high time for the ISLAMIC world to come together for PEACE and PROSPERITY but not for SHITTY SECTERIAN divide and Wars.
It is an interesting over view on what people espouse in India for caste based reservations. I have always been against reservations based on caste population. If reservations have to happen, make it happen based on economic wellbeing of the society irrespective of caste or religion. This will "hopefully" slowly allow reservations to be completely be removed. Thank you for the video.
This is already happening - above poverty line OBCs are not suppose to use their reservation caste certificate anymore.
Dear sir ,
You did not talk about why the Christians fled.
Why the demography changed .
Ofcourse Muslims have more babies but it's also true that once their population is in majority, nobody matters .
It can be a separate episode as to why such a beautiful country ,once called the Paris of East in 70s was brought to such deplorable condition.
You need to say some hard facts
And that you won't do because you need to diplomatic
Good episode though
But I don't think indian politicians are going to learn anything from it
This is jitni abadi utna haqq for anyone watching.... it ends in tears and people leaving the country
I read, when bengal was partitioned, there was a proposal floated by Surawardy, backed by Sarat Bose for a United sovereign bengal as a seperate country. They proposed this lebanese style power sharing between hindus and Muslims. Surawardy had an affinity towards lebanon. Probably he died in beirut.
But the plan did not materialize, mainly because congress top brass like Nehru, patel and majority of bengali congrese (dominated by caste hindus) and hindu mahasabha (led by SP mukherjee) opposed it.
What we got in return?
A "secular" country with veto to Muslims which allowed Muslims to breed to again swell their numbers to further create chaos.
And this foresightedness is the reason why we bengali Hindus are safe and have our own land and culture in our state West Bengal under the umbrella of our country, India
GUPTAJI INDIRECTLY CRITICISES CASTE CENSUS,
AMBETKARITES, MANDALITES WILL SAY CASTE HIERARCHY IN PRACTISE
If caste hierarchy were in practice then modi could never become pm . It is the mixture of general, obcs , ST Nd very less SC voteshare that modi got majority twice . The ambedkarites Nd mandalites have achieved their objectives of giving power to backwards and Harijans (dalits) which has led to collapse of these parties and a huge chunk of mandalites , ambedkarites are amalgamated into hindu identity which is why the political parties are desperate to divide hindus to play identity politics once again.
@@nobody4u77exactly like the entire gandhi family was Brahmins lmao
@@nobody4u77 IT IS THE LARGE SCALE PROPAGANDA IN ACTION WHICH HAS LED TO NON DOMINANT OBC TO COME WITHIN HINDUTVA FOLD. MR MODI ALSO PLAYS IDENTITY POLITICS. HE HAS ALSO BROUGHT NOTHING GOOD TO ECONOMY. THUS THESE REGIONAL FORCES ARE NOT TO BE SINGELY BLAMED. NATION WANTS A NEW IDEOLOGICAL FORCE AGAINST HINDUTVA
@@yashagarwal1032 Baniya of Bihar are OBC.
@@yashagarwal1032 Using all CAPS is considered equivalent to shouting , being rude, immature and lacking in etiquette. And Hindutva for win. jo ukhad sakta hai ukhad lo
Rahul wants to replicate Labnon through "Jitni Abadi utna Haq"
With RESERVATION Lebenon is the Future of INDIA 🇮🇳😒😒😒😒
Lesson for India is that during partition 100% population exchange should have been mandatory ❗️❗️❗️
Another awesomeeee video, I have watched over 1000 episodes of CTC and the knowledge I have gained is immense. Thank you Print
Every evening I'm curious about what will be the topic of CTC & when Shekhar Gupta will upload. Nowadays its getting too late.
Sekhar Gupta Drawing parallels between Labanese Constitutional structure and the recent calls by the INDIA bloc, originated by late Kanshi Ram : 'Jitni Abadi, Utna Haq' , multiple times in the CTC is hilarious. It looks almost intentional to some extent.
Absolutely. How he use a scenario of a country of size of Arunachal to gas light empowerment of oppressed lower caste for centuries. That too even before taking a census. That’s the reason the north is still a asylum of cast oppression
I have known talented Lebaneese and they are actually best educated in GCC. Unfortunately Beruit economy and law and order detoriated in last 7-8 years. A mixed society , similar to earstwhile Turkey would have been ideal, but religion is culprit here again.
Where ever these peacefuls are in abundance there will be Chaos… unless you call it it won’t be stoped…. In India we lost our land before and we still continue to do the same mistake…. Now it is inevitable someday when they have even 30% of population, more chaos will be there… they will expand….
In happier times, Beirut was "the Paris of the Middle East", both as a financial centre and as a tourist destination.
The growing/ exporting of illegal recreational drugs and the mass importing of used Mercedes sedans were just modern outgrowths of the ancient expertise in foreign trading that had lasted for thousands of years.
That title was given to any number of cities... and it's just romanticizing bullshit. Neither are drugs the problem. The problem was always religious sectarianism which was used by external powers that were fighting proxy wars in countries like Lebanon. The only rational response of a citizen of such a country is to leave and to apply for political asylum in a rationally governed country... which the intelligent people did, of course. The resulting brain drain eventually finishes these countries off completely, economically, culturally and politically. The success of a society is determined by its top 1%, whether we like this or not. Societies that lose that resource are doomed. They descend into cycles of needless violence... like Lebanon and Palestine.
For a change Gupta gave an honest analysis of situation in Lebanon in context of Caste survey in India and its pitfalls if implemented on the basis of ,’ jiski aabaadi uska utna huq’.
Ok. Nice. Having said this, whether DMK mixes religion ( atheism ) with the politics or not? If the DMK is not mixing, why the State Government occupies Hindu Temples?
Very appropriate to have picked up this topic for this talk. The issues of human identity and there on tribe identity and there on caste (in India / creed elsewhere) identity has always been a sour point of co-existence. A modern sophisticated society has to understand this and be able to exist above this idea. Thank you for the talk.
Excellent explanation. Be sure to send it to Rahul and his supporters. There is or was another country where the presidency was reserved for an Orthodox Christian, prime minister ship for Sunni Muslim and speaker of the Parliament for Shia Muslim.
I am referring to Cyprus, which was plagued by civil war and then invasion by Turkey which has resulted into de facto partition of the small island into a Greek Cypriot speaking larger portion and tinier Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.-recognised only by Turkey. Another not so funny fact. During the Mandal case hearing, advocates appearing for pro-reservation parties had cited Cyprus as an example to follow. But the judges of the Supreme Court observed that Cyprus had also faced a civil war and division. These were oral observations and are are not part of the judgment but the interchange between lawyers and the judges was reported by the press.
All this information is in the NCERT Civics book of the 10th class. Chapter Name is Power Sharing.
With malice to none. It would seem from various media reports (including The Print) that India has a lesson to learn from whatever is happening in the world whenever with whoever and the media and experts will teach her.
Tailpiece: A bit intriguing and bordering on preposterous.
Indian media needs reason to target BJP .. however it is all welcome
Correct. Only lesson India has to learn is remain Hindu majority for every citizen to live peacefully as an equal
Great episode, thanks Shekhar!
Sg,fantastic discourse. Ours is a strong constitution. Raga has a similar medieval mindset of jitna abadi sada haq
Mr. Gupta, I believe the modern English thesaurus has a word that quite succinctly yet accurate defines Lebanon’s situation. It is, quite simply, a clusterf*ck. 6:58
Terrific case study. You can do a similar case study for Nigeria.
Nigeria is another disaster waiting to happen because of the changing demographics.
Wherever I$lam has become majority by exponential & targeted breeding, the country became s$hit-hole.
Hi SG,
I usually love your videos but this seems to be a very superficial understanding of Lebanon.
The political situation in Lebanon is not comparable to that of India.
Political instability in Lebanon is a mix of sectarian divisions, corruption, economic mismanagement, syrian refugee crisis and most importantly regional interference by Iran, Israel, Saudi, western countries
Mulla came to defend the monstrosity of other mullas
A good beginning by you SG some fresh air in the thought process. Show perseverance. You are slowly graduating from third party obsevations to concerned suggestions.
This should have been a "national interest" rather than CTC, because a lot of it seems to be just opinion. No evidence was mentioned, no references or citations given to show that the Lebanon is struggling as a nation pre-dominantly because of identity-based power sharing or that the situation in Lebanon is comparable to India's situation.
Gupta ji has successfully skirted around the fundamental problem. He has presented the data but again shyed from mentioning the root issue.
Let's see if people can pinpoint the root cause....
Hint its the same problem as the rest of the world
Shhhh ... we can't talk about it.
hahaha you expect the great liberal Sekhar to talk about this
Root problem is overdose on gaumutra. Brain-dead fanatics talking about "root-cause".
Root cause is system
@@anshuraj4277 hukumat tumhari magar system hamari
I wonder whether our netas, particularly RAGA, would ever read this episode and ponder over it.
Modi retiring at 74 n going back to his home town
Raga taking vrs from his mom n kharge and heading back to Brazil to be with his first love ,marry n settle.
Wishing both of them 👍
End of headaches to India
Thankyou shekar sir for the insight on the geopolitical situation.
Thank you for watching, Prakash. I'm glad you liked this episode. Thank you also for supporting our journalism...best wishes, Shekhar
If you want to know what happened with Lebanon just listen to videos of Brigitte Gabriel she has talked comprehensively about downfall of that country
Woww... simply woww. Very very good content and articulated brilliantly. Jiski jitni aabadi utne unki hissedaari. This video should also be watched from the Lok Sabha delimitation point of view as well. If the South states feel victimized, nothing stops them to roll up their sleeves and get down to "business". They will definitely incentivise population growth and prepare for the next delimitation possible another 20-25 yrs time. Viola... we need a new Parliament building then.
Jokes aside... this video should be watched and pondered upon by the law makers.
Thank you for watching and writing in, my friend. I'm glad you liked this episode...best wishes, Shekhar
SG sir why go to Lebonan to learn about failure or death of political confessionalism.. Make your legal reporters read about the case in Madras High court between a Hindu activists vs government of TN on the speech by Minister Udayanithi Stalin on eradication of Sanathanam. The submission made by lawyer/MP Wilson 20 pages with 40 points clears when Sanathana could not win votes comes to courts. It is fascinating and thought provoking.
Reading example of confessionalism of Lebanon in 9th civics ncert as a case study back in school, i used to think that it must be very common knowledge. But now i realize that even Secondary NCERTs had some good material.
SG, quran says stay low until you become the majority. My Malaysian colleague tell how non Muslims are treated. Muslims get tax cut. Anybody marrying non Muslim doesn't convert his spouse he-she has to give up citizenship. You wouldn't talk about it
The idea of 'jiski jitni abadi uska utna haq' is only with reference to reservation which is capped at 50 percent. Though even this idea for reservation is also flawed, it's certainly not what you seem to suggest.
Share this episode with your favourite Rahul Gandhi - the saviour in waiting….
Please sir, we will be very grateful if you can research and explain how democracy works in India. We,as Indians don't know about our rights and from what I can gather from the news...our rights getting more and more narrow. Do we even have an Universal right anymore?
Yeah you have the right to go somewhere else.
One of the best CTCs ever!
The downfall of Lebanon being liberal to the peaceful community has caused its demise, will other countries ever learn
This is the one reason why partition was only way out. Only nonpracticing abrahamic faith adherents, or dharmic eastern civilization adherents can be secular or democratic. We this throughout the world, or ethnically homogenous. We see this even within our northeast in nagaland, people often underplay the impact of religion in destabilizing the state. Had we offered Jinnah the prime ministership, we e would have Lebanon 20x , fractured forever poor and having clamorous call for sharia to be implemented . So contrary to populist versions of Shashi tarroor asking for reparations, the British did a favor by partitioning India and in a way amputating gangrenous arm and saving civilization body.
Fabulouse Gupta'ji. This is worth a content.
SG, YOU NEED TO READ THIS.🙏🙏
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AGAIN A VERY UNPOLISHED VIEW POINT OF "JISKI JITNI ABAADI, USKA UTNA HAQ". BECAUSE BY "JISKI JITNI ABAADI USKA UTNA HAQ", WE AREN'T SAYING THAT THE POSITION OF THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR SCs, POSITION OF PM FOR STs & THAT OF THE SPEAKER FOR OBCs. THIS IS ABOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF LOWER CASTES IN THE MACHINERIES OF THE STATE. WE'RE SAYING THAT WHY DO SC-ST-OBCs WITH A 85% POPULATION HAVE ONLY 10% OF GROUP A POSTS, ONLY 20% OF GROUP B POSTS & ONLY 40% OF GROUP C & D POST?? WHY DOES AN AVERAGE GENERAL CATEGORY PERSON HOLD 3 TIMES THE LAND OF AN AVERAGE DALIT?? WHY DO THE 10% GENERAL CATEGORY HAVE CONTROL OVER ALL THE RESOURCES OF THIS COUNTRY??? WHY DO THE 85% SC-ST-OBCs HAVE LESS THAN 5% REPRESENTATION IN THE MEDIA?? WHY DO THE SC-ST-OBCs HAVE MINISCULE PORTION OF PRIVATE SECTOR LEADERSHIP POSITIONS??? SHEKHAR, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF DISCRIMINATIONS & PRIVILEGES BASED ON CASTE. THAT'S HOW THIS GAP HAS BEEN CREATED BETWEEN SC-ST-OBCs & GENERALs. "JISKI JITNI ABAADI, USKA UTNA HAQ" HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEBANON. LEBANON DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CASTE SYSTEM OF HISTORICAL DISCRIMINATIONS. SO, IT'S TIME YOU STOP STRETCHING IT SO FAR. IT'S BECOMING RIDICULOUS. IT'S THE SECOND TIME YOU'VE EQUATED LEBANON'S SYSTEM TO THE DEMANDS OF REPRESENTATION BY SC-ST-OBCs. IT'S KILLING ME TO SEE A JOURNALIST LIKE YOU, WHO I ADMIRE SO DEEPLY, TALK ABOUT THIS IN SUCH AN ABSURD FASHION.💔💔💔💔💔
Two things bother me after going through this video and Sekhar may consider these for detailed discussion later if it suits him and his team:
1. Since most probably blems in the Islamic world emanste from mixing religion with politics can there ever be an agreement among Muslims something akin to the Treaty of Westphalia to end political feuds as Westphalia brought about in the Christian world?
2. Considering the highly tribalised nature of the Muslims is it ever possible for them to live under democratic system? Aren't they safer, quieter and happier under strong rulers as history would show it?
Though it's not entirely about Lebanon and more a personal story. But if you want to see ground reality of civil war Lebanon days, suggest you to watch 'Incendies' by Denis Villeneuve. Start of the next big modern day director after Nolan
It's is not at all jiski jitni abadi uska utna haq. Shekhar ji it looks like you just cluttered it more instead of decluttering it.
Thanks SG for this episode.
This CTC is an indirect call to end reservation of all types.
Lesson from Labanon ,India should abolish cast/ religion based system of giving reservations & subsidees
Lebanon is a lesson for those who don't want to accept the fact that demography change can wreck a country. We all have seen the Brigitte Gabriel video on TH-cam.
Hi Shekhar. NICE NARRATIVE . One on how Lebanon was affected by influx of people from neighbouring Isreal will be interesting
meritocracy should prevail.
In India the fertility rates of Muslims are still much higher than other religions, so this might become a problem in the future if not checked at the earliest..The Muslim clergy also encourages this population to have more number of kids.. I urge tithe government and civilians to look into it so that non Muslims can stay in India peacefully in future..
Very funny man 😂😂.
You just have to watch this to understand how dengerous Congress party is for India
The RSS had quoted the example of Lebanon long ago .
Nice content, extremely informative
Jiski jiski abadi uska uta haq
Rahul gandhi wants india to become next lebenon
He plays dumb in front of people acting as if bullshit comes out of his mouth randomly ,as he is like innocent who doesn't understand things but in reality he speaks with deep evil mindset and is most crocked politician in india
I want to be like Sheikh Gupta. 😊
Caste senses will invite same situation here in india as well.
Yes, if it's implemented in India, it will have similar consequences.
What a stupid governance system. Except for their cuisine nothing is good.
I'm Lebanese Christian , Lebanon used to be a majority Christian country. Alot of Christians have left for economic reasons, many Lebanese find great success overseasa, but we still have a very close connection to Lebanon and can still vote. At the end of the day we need to get on all we all fail. I see Muslims and druze and my fellow Lebanese and generally get on as apart from our religion our culture is the same.
How I wait for Shekhar sir's video every evening
Excellent sir, fantastic analysis
Been following Shekar Gupta since his Indian Express days and I am quite surprised at this comparison of a failed nation state to India, even a fleeting reference would need a strong argument which was indeed missing. If this was supposed to be conceptual exploration of confessionalism then the entire episode didn’t touch upon how Levant region - once a cultural and secular epicentre has deteriorated and probably this was the reason so. Such nation states are managed in a better way by folks like Gaddafi, Saddam and Assads (in my personal opinion only)
Respected GuptaJi, same in Syria too at present...😢
Britain had divided many countries like India x 3, Korea x 2, Africa x 54...☝️☝️
Need to tell RaGa about the terrible ways of dividing ppl :( Tragic and horrendous conswquences
He is good. Linking political system with demands of I.N.D.I.Alliance. i did not think print will shred congress (read rahul gandhi) and opposition in such a way.
He is almost saying opposition slogan if implemented will take india in lebanon way.
I disagree with him on same cannot happen in india . Yes it will not happen overnight. If its implemented as opposition wants, system will work till time current aka my generation dies out. Next generation will donot face struggle as faced by us and their nationalism will replaced by other identities as this identity give them more benefits.
I hope rahul gandhi can learn from his greatgrandfather nehru and leaders of that time. They knew same system was implemented in lebanon in 1947.
They did not fell in that trap to avoid partition which rahul fell into.(similar system was jinnahs demand)
Nehru chose partition over this system. As much ppl dislike it, partition gave indian democracy breathing space for 50 years to take roots
Lebanon followed that system and fell into civil war in 30 years.
Very interesting political history of lebanon..
Lebanon was a great country when it was Christian majority until Palestinian peacefuls became majority and is now a basket case.
Interesting podcast by Shekhar!! For national and state elections, based on the religion of the voter, votes cast will have a certain weightage based on the population percentage fixed on some date like 1947 or 1965 or 2000!! This will ensure that population dynamics will not affect character of the country!! In particular, if Hindu majority is lost in India at some time in future, then the constitutional arrangements will come under threat and we may have entirely different governance structure!! We need to protect ourselves against this and think of ways to do this.
This peqceful community, shits everywhere, they don't even leave each other 😂😂