*Update on the podcast* I've recorded three episodes of the TDC podcast and a couple more are coming up. I plan to publish the first batch of episodes within two weeks. The podcast has a pretty diverse range of guests, including doctors, psychotherapists, psychiatrists, harm reduction workers, pharmacologists, neuroscientists, and individuals working in drug policy. I hope you'll enjoy the show. And if anyone has guest recommendations, feel free to send them over. (Email: seth@thedrugclassroom.com) These episodes will be available on TH-cam and via podcast apps. Thank you to all of TDC's supporters. You make this project possible!
Incredible drug, similar to ketamine but the biggest negative is that it lasts FOREVER. Easily 6-8 hour high and if you like high doses you will feel worn out towards the end of the trip
Can verify this drugs existence in the festival scene U.S. as replacing Ketamine in some instances. Most people swear up and down that what they have is real kitty. But the duration is a dead give-away.
I’ve done a number of dissociatives, including DCK, MXE, DXM, and Memantine. Of these I would compare the headspace to the blurry euphoria of mid - high does of DXM and low doses of memantine in combination with cannabis. Everything seemed wrapped in a soft warm grainy glow. Like the Sigur Ros song, “Glosoli” My first experience with DCK was novel. I equated the feeling in the moment to waking up on Christmas morning as a kid. And I feel the same in hindsight, it’s was odd how exactly it nailed that nostalgic, cozy, happy just to be happy vibe. Otherwise, heavy, warm, and goofy is how I would describe the body high. Usually I use the word wonkey to describe disassociatives in the body, but this was a goofy body feeling. Very loose and carefree feeling in general from this compound.
I just want to chill with music. Should I buy a 1p-lsd spray or a 2f-dck spray? I used to enjoy weed & shrooms but now both lead to palpitations & chest pain even at low doses. So my plan is to try something else at very low doses, close to microdosing in the case of 1p. I appreciate any advice, thanks
@Dexhead i am willing to take dxm soon. I took around 160mg last time i had a very profound experience , music enhancement , feeling more affectionate and somewhat euphoric. But i had a bad time later i my jaw clenched and i felt super cold and couldnt move at all. So i want to try again with the whole bottle which is about 375mg in order to feel the hallucinations and the visuals. Do you reccomend i do so ?- i am hesitant because of the physical dysphoria .
id say from experience that this compound has a quite HIGH risk of manic episodes. Especially in people with bi-polar disorder or manic tendencies. The difference between say a 5mg to 15mg dose and a 16mg to 20+mg dose can be the difference between a great experience and a trip to the psych ward. Respect this compound, please!!
Don't most drugs carry that risk with people with bi polar though? Like the drug doesn't cause it, it just triggers it when it's already there? Correct me if I'm wrong
I took 50 mg, then another 15 mg an hour later and was perfect. Holing, calm, no mania. But had to have a bottle to urinate into because at that dose no way you're walking even 10 feet.
I have quite a bit of experience with DCK. Have easily researched 25+ grams total. Batches can vary from crystal to powder. The tan powder was my favorite and Very effective at helping severe depression. ( 3-meo-pce/mxe/2f-ketamine are better though)
Seth your channel is getting bigger and better as it should but when will you do clonezepam and prozac you been promising for almost a year we love you man keep it up
Most stimulants give you euphoria and an ego boost. You just feel great. The stimulating senzation in itself, as noticed after an acid trip or on low dosages of PCP, is nothing special; you just feel really awake and alert, and completely unable to sleep.
Was on mxe for like a year when it was big. Felt like everything in my life fell into place . Everything was perfect and it wasn't like I was doing it daily . No I went through a few binges that's what my problem is though I don't know when to stop once medicated. But damn I'm even considering the ketamine nasal spray positions around me it costs about $900 a box without insurance . But I swear if I had access to that feeling once a month I wouldn't need anything else whatsoever
hey seth, great vid like usual. I know Ive mentioned it bsfore, but do you think you could do a vid on memantine when you have the time? It's a fairly interesting substance in my opinion. It feels quite similar to dxm to the point of being almost indistinguishable other than lesser physical side effects.
Be careful. A friend of a friend said he lost control of himself and woke up on the floor of his bedroom after walking from one part of his house, punching his girlfriend in the head while she slept. Her account is that she woke up seeing stars and saw him kick a hole in their wall before dropping to the floor where she thought he had died as later there with his eye opened. He was experiencing a complete disconnect, the 5th time he has reached this level of intoxication. He redosed forgetting he already redosed not long before. Learn from this. In his way to the bedroom he passed a number of objects that could have led to a murder charge. There was no problem with their relationship and they ended up getting married not long after. He has not and will not ever use arylcyclohexamines again. At the time of this incident he had a long history of MXE and DCK use. Lastly, this isn’t a violent person. That is probably the scariest aspects of this event. He had never in his life struck a woman and till this day is reminded of that night and thanks God he didn’t grab a knife on his walk to the bedroom. Usage: 125mg -150mg He has experienced this lack of control before, but it was never problematic and he remembers details. On one occasion he walked out his front door on a sunny afternoon and the sun told him he can have any car on the street he just needs to pick one. A minute later he’s walking up to the neighbors cars trying to open the driver side doors. Luckily he snapped out of it and went inside after the second car he picked was locked. While some may laugh, and it is kinda funny, it’s a clear example of how little control you may experience.
DXE is way more sedating than ketamine and takes a lot longer to set in (Peak is reached after around 1 1/2 hours when you sniff it). For me it is much easier to hole on this substance than on ketamine and the hole also lasts much longer (about an hour, if not even more). But for me it is not good for parting and not good as a substitute for the MDMA Ketamine combo, since it is way to sedating. If you're a fan of dissociatives and looking for a more outgoing one like MXE, I'd highly recommend 3-MeO-PCE. That stuff is completly neat! But take care: High doses will turn you completly insane :D stay safe
Yea 3meo-pce had me laughing my ass off and had a good night out 😆 and no motor loss control , a lil bit of mania which i dont mind 😜 Its kinda the question of do u wanna party or hole eflect 2f-ket and dck might be more hole types or hybrids, however if u really wanna find urself grow some shrooms 😛 Combining dissos with shrooms is way 2 intense tho be prepared
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but how is brain damage caused with frequent use? Does this mean that acute damage is caused with infrequent use as well?
'Chronic heavy use can contribute to cognitive impairment' I realize this isn't a statement of certainty, though I see cognitive impairment as being synonymous with brain damage.
NMDA antagonists cause brain damage as they over heat the neurons. To counter this the body activates HSP-270 (heat shock protein) temporarily shutting down the neurons. With frequent use of NMDA antagonists it can cause prolonged brain damage and will take a much longer time to recover.
Even a sub anesthetic dose of Ketamine, PCP, or even DXM causes brain damage. It is only seen as a permanent impairment with frequent use and my take up to 2 years to recover fully.
Probably forgot to mention that if you watched it's always Sunny and Philadelphia while on it you're actually in the show or at least you feel that way
Why not? its banned? then buy O-PCE instead, its a replacement which is just as good as this one, and also more potent by weight. Heavy dose of it is like 30+MG, compared to DCK which is more or less 60+ mg on a heavy dose.
This drug is mainly about confusion. If you don't like being profoundly confused don't do it. I love it. I injected 50 mg and was in the hole for about an hour. Very confused and my vision became very very far-sighted.
@@TheDrugClassroom awesommme. I judt had my first session and im surprisingly finding it helpful for adhd as well! Like it lessens makes the barrier to do productive things. Also, even the low doses i am taking make me trip pretty hard which no one told me beforehand.
Is this the same as 2-fdck? Or is dck something completely different? I’ve been told 2f-dck is identical to ketamine, only there is one thing changed, the fluroate or fluoride? I’m not sure..I do know 2f-dck is amazing, I still can’t believe how much I like this one, it’s great.
Yeah if you're not into chemistry i wouldn't advise about caring much for those details it takes some backround to understand the significance of those things, i m a physicist and tho i understand the language most of the chemistry is wookie to me. Both dck and 2f are similar to k. The major differences are 1) duration. I tried 2f less but i d compare it to k, maybe a bit longer Dck lasts forever. Great if you know how to dose and when to take, not.so great when you take a large dose in the evening and can't sleep all night. I d say come up ~5-10 minutes rises and peaks around 30-50 min after then your in for a few more hours and it wears off slowly which is annoying if you wanna sleep 2) potency While 2f is equivalent to k in doses (forgot the exact dose but its close, even if its half or double my point stands) DCK IS NOT That makes it much cheaper all things considered. Threshold is ~5mg, take 2 10mg lines and you're floating in your bubble
That's about all the information there is beyond speculation. It comes from the drug's patent, which makes claims without backing them up fully. Patents don't have to be peer reviewed or anything like that so their claims should be taken with a grain of salt.
How they get the structure is most likely from knowlage on chemistry and having a lab testing the compound. Information on how u synth this is harder to get. I cant rly find any information on it.
skalmaa Deschloro means that the chlorine atom is removed from the molecule. You can probably find a method for removing a chlorine atom in general, (when the chlorine is bonded the same way it is in ketamine) and then just apply that process to ketamine.
Does this actually shut down pathways and not block them like ketamine? Is this much worse than ketamine? I have tryed both MXE, DCK and ketamine though i have never gone hard on MXE and DCK. Unlike K.
@@jangy089 hmm? I'm doing racemic ketamine for depression now. It's not a silver bullet, but it's better than any other medication i've tried. And I do it at home, not a doctor's office.
could you make a video or say something about 5-MeO-MiPt? I read a little bit about it but have still no clear idea on how it differs from say psilocrin or meo-dmt
I felt great. Had a great night but I kept redosing not noticing it playing awesome at pool. That was like 11 1/2 hours ago and my main problem is I cannot sleep. I'm very functional but I'm fucking rocked but up.
Yeah it takes about 6-8 hours on the dot before you can fall asleep on DCK even if youre tired and not feeling anything anymore. It reminded me a LOT of PCP
@@markisthegreat3432 at high enough doses all dissociatives will put your under total anesthesia. that's what ketamine was originally used for. they don't use it much on people anymore (outside of undeveloped counties) as they have better medicines now. recreational doses are just a fraction of what doctors would give you to put you "under." so basically: yes
actually ketamine is very vaporizable, it just stinks a sickly sort of lavender-like smell. MXE too. That's the only reason people don't vape them off foil. If your ketamine isn't working this way, you're getting a very contaminated product!
Yes, 2-FDCK is easier going and shorter in duration. The effects of 2-FDCK are much closer to ketamine as well but has a longer comup and overall longer duration (an hour longer or so).
If had a ruptured eardrum for months now and fit prescribed atibiotics from doctor multiple times but it just kept getting infected.and this greenish fluid would come out of my ear then when i was of antibiotics for like a week i disided to do dsk with my friends at a event in my town for my 19th birthday. So when we arrived at the even we all snortrd the dsk a little bit to mutch for my liking.because i was barly in touch with reality later that evening.while we were partying i noticed my ear started to close up i thought shit here we go agian. But suprizingly the next day nothing.no infection or anything and my ear finaly started to heal.it hasent been infected sins that experience.
DCK is known to be antibiotic. Its funny you say this cause i have a somewhat similar experience with it reducing or even clearing ear infections. Very interesting thanks for sharing!
out of body experiences on this are really insightful.. by far my favourite drug to experience strong psychedelic cognitive effects.. even more so than 'actual' psychedelics.. the feeling of being one with everything and the experience of diving through dimensions, while listening to your favourite song.. this feeling is unmatched.. tryle the best drug
Would you recommend 1p-lsd spray or a 2f-dck spray? I used to enjoy weed & shrooms but now both lead to palpitations & chest pain even at low doses. So my plan is to try something else at very low doses, close to microdosing in the case of 1p. I appreciate any advice, thanks
@@Kushcloudzz666 very much yes, but it’s not without bad experiences. took it prolly on a dozen occasions and 70% of that time was great. but I had occasions in which I was just incredibly tired but when wanting to go to sleep I couldn’t, I just remained there trapped in between; other times I just swung wildly between feeling good & feeling a bit panicky, it wasn’t that bad but I just couldn’t enjoy a nice continuous chill, kept changing things every 10-20 seconds, put music, change song, stop music, put some clothes on to warm up, lay down, sit up a walk a bit, it was like I couldn’t find my place for some reason; also on one occasion I remained in a kind of catatonic state where I turned into a kind of energetic white buzz but that energy wasn’t accompanied by a positive valence, it was just stimulation but without any pleasure or happiness, just laid there awake & empty; and on another session I combined it with weed (I read that they go well together, my brother also had a great time with them) and I had heart palpitations & waves of incredibly mind-twisting horrors, luckily this only lasted for 30 min, and after that, even tho I had a mild pleasant buzz i also had nausea and just wanted everything to end. a somewhat nasty aspect is the fact that you’re not sure of yourself standing on your feet and there’s a risk of falling.
@@raresmircea ketamine tends to cause pulminory stimulation iirc from my pharmacology studies so 2-f-dck may not be a good option. As for lsd, it is a more intense cns stimulant than psilocybin, it is a weak dopamine/norepinephrine inhibitor so idnimagine 1p-lsd would be similar due to it being an analogue and a prodrug
CreativeUsername what is 2fdck? Everybody is saying this is not the same, the chemical structure he showed does not have a 2-fluoro group binding to it. But I’ve never heard of either of these RCs before.
@@soccrstar4 I have yet to try dck but I can tell you that 2f dck is suprisingly similar to ketamine but about 4-6 hours and it takes a rather large dose to hole on but nonetheless, it is magical.
tubewoodycool It functions as an SSRI on top of being an opioid, and it also lowers your seizure threshold. It poses more risks than other opioids, especially when combined with other drugs.
I’ve done this, I thought I was buying ketamine at a rave of some dodgy guy the police cams so he sold me a gram for 15 which was a good deal because a gram is normally 20. Later that night me and my friend did a massive line each and I’ve never regretted doing a drug like that. It’s honestly the dirtiest I’ve ever felt in my life I was hearing voices and my hands looked weird everything look bigger or smaller than it normally is, and everyone looked so ugly it was pissing me off. I just wanted to get home because I felt like such a crackhead. When I looked in the mirror I saw such a ugly weird version of myself I’ll never forgot it my eyes were literally red. NEVER TRY THIS ITS NOTHING LIKE KETAMINE.
It like ketamine with a slight energy and paranoia of PCP, has some depressing effects but i found them more introspective then negative. I like it a little too much
@@J4themperordepends where you are. In the US, it’s in a grey area, but it’s illegal in china (one of the main countries of origin/manufacture) so it’s become harder to find from what I’ve learned
I dident notice any problem with heart rate while i tried this one out, done like a gram of it. In diffrent dosages. Heaviest dose i did was around 50-60+mg or more, No problem with heart rate for me, but it might be diffrent for someone else. I dident notice any bad effects at all.
Me neither, cause it sucks to take up the nose. bioavailability of this drug is way higher from oral consumption. Lot of people that barely get any nice effects from all from taking it nasaly.
I'm sure any type of ketamine will hurt your nose but ya orally is a way better option if you dont wanna deal with the painful sniff an gross drips down ur throat
Similar to traditional psychological mania, a state in which the user is somewhat confused, hyper-activated, and has grandiose (plus often delusional) thinking.
It can last for hours, but it's very dependent on the dose and user. *Most* people won't experience notable mania symptoms at typical doses of DCK. As for being physically dangerous, mania isn't in itself dangerous. However, you can make some pretty unwise decisions that could be dangerous. But, again, this risk is small with DCK overall.
+The Drug Classroom Ok thanks. It's hard to find info about drug induced mania because only a mountain of articles of bipolar just appears on google when you search about mania
Brett Whitman I have alot of past experience with DXM, and yesterday I've tried Deschloroketamine for the first time, believe me it feels very VERY different
Typical,here in Australia they have taken research chemicals out of reach, I guess I would have to go to outside channels to try some but I don't have any, so I will have to read and watch every one else have fun,😭😭😭😭
@@inphinitezero5499there is no way you snorted 500mg of even half pure DCK unless you have an absolutely crazy insane high Arylcyclohexylamine tolerance.
*Update on the podcast*
I've recorded three episodes of the TDC podcast and a couple more are coming up. I plan to publish the first batch of episodes within two weeks.
The podcast has a pretty diverse range of guests, including doctors, psychotherapists, psychiatrists, harm reduction workers, pharmacologists, neuroscientists, and individuals working in drug policy. I hope you'll enjoy the show.
And if anyone has guest recommendations, feel free to send them over. (Email: seth@thedrugclassroom.com)
These episodes will be available on TH-cam and via podcast apps.
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Highly appreciate the work you're doing. Thanks for your commitment.
The Drug Classroom Damn dude. You seem to have been busy.
excited for the podcast. nice range of guests too.
The Drug Classroom ,Hey man from here in Australia,keep up the good work
The Drug Classroom I was wondering if you could do a video on clonazolam? You seem to find more info than I do
Incredible drug, similar to ketamine but the biggest negative is that it lasts FOREVER. Easily 6-8 hour high and if you like high doses you will feel worn out towards the end of the trip
Do you have a legit vender where I can order some??
Eric Fragassi Can you not use google? Lysergi.
Contact me tronnixx@protonmail.com interested in finding a good vendor if you can help
@@fjs1111 yes
@John Jonathan Amen, been trying to find some 4F-MPH, what are you looking for?
Its incredible how good you became describing the effects of certain drugs. Als always very good informative video!
Long time coming with this one. Thank you TDC!
This is such a usefull channel it just gives u straight facts no bs
Can verify this drugs existence in the festival scene U.S. as replacing Ketamine in some instances. Most people swear up and down that what they have is real kitty. But the duration is a dead give-away.
Seattle has it.
Im in seattle i know where
I've heard of this going around in Portland too.
Real ketacet will f you up like a car wreck, that's how I know. And the taste also
@@ryanbashaw4513 liar
Anxiolysis is not an easy word to pronounce, you did a pretty good job.
It's very easy if you grew up speaking english
I’ve done a number of dissociatives, including DCK, MXE, DXM, and Memantine.
Of these I would compare the headspace to the blurry euphoria of mid - high does of DXM and low doses of memantine in combination with cannabis.
Everything seemed wrapped in a soft warm grainy glow.
Like the Sigur Ros song, “Glosoli”
My first experience with DCK was novel.
I equated the feeling in the moment to waking up on Christmas morning as a kid.
And I feel the same in hindsight, it’s was odd how exactly it nailed that nostalgic, cozy, happy just to be happy vibe.
Otherwise, heavy, warm, and goofy is how I would describe the body high.
Usually I use the word wonkey to describe disassociatives in the body, but this was a goofy body feeling.
Very loose and carefree feeling in general from this compound.
Wheres the best place to buy mematine?
I just want to chill with music. Should I buy a 1p-lsd spray or a 2f-dck spray? I used to enjoy weed & shrooms but now both lead to palpitations & chest pain even at low doses. So my plan is to try something else at very low doses, close to microdosing in the case of 1p. I appreciate any advice, thanks
I remember that warm fuzzy feeling after a bottle of Robitussin.
Robotripin all day every day
I remember the feeling being more dread, gravity being fucked up, and nausea from hell
gross
@Dexhead no it didn’t
@Dexhead i am willing to take dxm soon. I took around 160mg last time i had a very profound experience , music enhancement , feeling more affectionate and somewhat euphoric. But i had a bad time later i my jaw clenched and i felt super cold and couldnt move at all. So i want to try again with the whole bottle which is about 375mg in order to feel the hallucinations and the visuals. Do you reccomend i do so ?- i am hesitant because of the physical dysphoria .
where's the ketamine video?
Just do Ketamine it's great, S-isomer for k-holing, Racemic for partying (pairs very well with MDMA, Ket effects will be stronger however)
I think I watches it in last year
What happend
@@azzy2884 heavy use shreds your bladder lining
@@pelinalwhitestrake8195 You don't need that
@@josephdugdale4150 I'll do ket if I wanna
Your videos are good for ppl when trying to research analogues
Doing God's work. Thank you for the informative videos. The more educated people become, the more harm reduction will hopefully take place.
id say from experience that this compound has a quite HIGH risk of manic episodes. Especially in people with bi-polar disorder or manic tendencies.
The difference between say a 5mg to 15mg dose and a 16mg to 20+mg dose can be the difference between a great experience and a trip to the psych ward.
Respect this compound, please!!
jeffry wik spot on. Read my reply to this vid. Prime example.
I've done 50mg without a problem
Don't most drugs carry that risk with people with bi polar though? Like the drug doesn't cause it, it just triggers it when it's already there? Correct me if I'm wrong
I took 50 mg, then another 15 mg an hour later and was perfect. Holing, calm, no mania. But had to have a bottle to urinate into because at that dose no way you're walking even 10 feet.
I have quite a bit of experience with DCK. Have easily researched 25+ grams total. Batches can vary from crystal to powder. The tan powder was my favorite and Very effective at helping severe depression. ( 3-meo-pce/mxe/2f-ketamine are better though)
these chemicals are difficult to come by in the UK
@@smittenthekitteninmittens2679 after the blanket ban it's impossible unless ordered from the dark web which is risky.
3meo-pcp is sk sketchy though. It makes you hypomanic af and can cause delusions and psychosis pretty easily
Seth your channel is getting bigger and better as it should but when will you do clonezepam and prozac you been promising for almost a year we love you man keep it up
This is a great channel...thanks for putting it all together.
I think video covering stimulant sensitization would be interesting.
Bsndb Kamdn what is that
Most stimulants give you euphoria and an ego boost. You just feel great. The stimulating senzation in itself, as noticed after an acid trip or on low dosages of PCP, is nothing special; you just feel really awake and alert, and completely unable to sleep.
There isn't a lot of research on it. Some scientists even disagree it exists
We are all connected. Lets all love lain.
@@suckmydingledong I think he means dopamine re-sensitization by means of microdosing stimulants.
Thank you so much for keeping us safe.
Was on mxe for like a year when it was big. Felt like everything in my life fell into place . Everything was perfect and it wasn't like I was doing it daily . No I went through a few binges that's what my problem is though I don't know when to stop once medicated. But damn I'm even considering the ketamine nasal spray positions around me it costs about $900 a box without insurance . But I swear if I had access to that feeling once a month I wouldn't need anything else whatsoever
This got me off opiates!!! It stops all symptoms saved my life
Could you please tell me your strategy im trying to quit.
hey seth, great vid like usual. I know Ive mentioned it bsfore, but do you think you could do a vid on memantine when you have the time? It's a fairly interesting substance in my opinion. It feels quite similar to dxm to the point of being almost indistinguishable other than lesser physical side effects.
Yes, memantine is higher on my list of things to cover. I will try to get to that one sooner rather than later.
I must add if you snort it right, the onset could be less than 2 minutes
Be careful. A friend of a friend said he lost control of himself and woke up on the floor of his bedroom after walking from one part of his house, punching his girlfriend in the head while she slept. Her account is that she woke up seeing stars and saw him kick a hole in their wall before dropping to the floor where she thought he had died as later there with his eye opened. He was experiencing a complete disconnect, the 5th time he has reached this level of intoxication. He redosed forgetting he already redosed not long before.
Learn from this. In his way to the bedroom he passed a number of objects that could have led to a murder charge. There was no problem with their relationship and they ended up getting married not long after. He has not and will not ever use arylcyclohexamines again. At the time of this incident he had a long history of MXE and DCK use.
Lastly, this isn’t a violent person. That is probably the scariest aspects of this event. He had never in his life struck a woman and till this day is reminded of that night and thanks God he didn’t grab a knife on his walk to the bedroom.
Usage: 125mg -150mg
He has experienced this lack of control before, but it was never problematic and he remembers details. On one occasion he walked out his front door on a sunny afternoon and the sun told him he can have any car on the street he just needs to pick one. A minute later he’s walking up to the neighbors cars trying to open the driver side doors. Luckily he snapped out of it and went inside after the second car he picked was locked. While some may laugh, and it is kinda funny, it’s a clear example of how little control you may experience.
tried this stuff out recently actually. pretty disorienting but really fun if in the right setting. be careful if you try it :)
I disliked it.
DXE is way more sedating than ketamine and takes a lot longer to set in (Peak is reached after around 1 1/2 hours when you sniff it). For me it is much easier to hole on this substance than on ketamine and the hole also lasts much longer (about an hour, if not even more).
But for me it is not good for parting and not good as a substitute for the MDMA Ketamine combo, since it is way to sedating.
If you're a fan of dissociatives and looking for a more outgoing one like MXE, I'd highly recommend 3-MeO-PCE. That stuff is completly neat! But take care: High doses will turn you completly insane :D stay safe
Yea 3meo-pce had me laughing my ass off and had a good night out 😆 and no motor loss control , a lil bit of mania which i dont mind 😜
Its kinda the question of do u wanna party or hole
eflect
2f-ket and dck might be more hole types or hybrids, however if u really wanna find urself grow some shrooms 😛
Combining dissos with shrooms is way 2 intense tho be prepared
Thanks for putting up.
D
Oh my god. At the end there, you sounded just like Carl from Llamas with hats.
*CAAAAARRRLLLL*
Forgive me if this is a silly question, but how is brain damage caused with frequent use? Does this mean that acute damage is caused with infrequent use as well?
I'm not sure any brain damage was discussed in the video.
'Chronic heavy use can contribute to cognitive impairment'
I realize this isn't a statement of certainty, though I see cognitive impairment as being synonymous with brain damage.
NMDA antagonists cause brain damage as they over heat the neurons. To counter this the body activates HSP-270 (heat shock protein) temporarily shutting down the neurons. With frequent use of NMDA antagonists it can cause prolonged brain damage and will take a much longer time to recover.
Even a sub anesthetic dose of Ketamine, PCP, or even DXM causes brain damage. It is only seen as a permanent impairment with frequent use and my take up to 2 years to recover fully.
+Bok
Thank you for the explanation.
Probably forgot to mention that if you watched it's always Sunny and Philadelphia while on it you're actually in the show or at least you feel that way
its illegal in the US. but when I once did it, it had a very strong antidepressant effect. this chem NEEDS to be studied further!!!!
no it isn't illegal rere
How is it Illegal in the USA if in the video he said it was uncontrolled?🤔
To bad it recently got banned in Sweden, this was good shit. However, we now got O-PCE replacement instead, which is more potent and is simular.
How do you compare that to MXE?
PLEASE cover JB-118! Very little information is available. It may be under some secrecy, I know it is tropane like in effects and structure.
no fun allowed in latvia
same in Norway
Why not? its banned? then buy O-PCE instead, its a replacement which is just as good as this one, and also more potent by weight. Heavy dose of it is like 30+MG, compared to DCK which is more or less 60+ mg on a heavy dose.
I want to try!
SAVROMx on it right now that's why I'm watching this video it's awesome
Quakism1 Was it tough to find? It seems to be really hard to come by at the moment
This drug is mainly about confusion. If you don't like being profoundly confused don't do it. I love it. I injected 50 mg and was in the hole for about an hour. Very confused and my vision became very very far-sighted.
Absolute confusion is fun asf
Are you gonna have an episode on regular ketamine and address it's medical use for depression? :0
Yes.
@@TheDrugClassroom awesommme. I judt had my first session and im surprisingly finding it helpful for adhd as well! Like it lessens makes the barrier to do productive things. Also, even the low doses i am taking make me trip pretty hard which no one told me beforehand.
How long does it take to get cysts in your bladder ?
great video. thank you !
Hey, great video. Any idea based off of available information on what the half-life might look like for this guy?
So can you do a video on MXE and Tiletamine my spelling may be off .
Lol, I fuckin relate to the "boring" aspect.. It felt like I had a wet blanket on me
Is this the same as 2-fdck? Or is dck something completely different?
I’ve been told 2f-dck is identical to ketamine, only there is one thing changed, the fluroate or fluoride? I’m not sure..I do know 2f-dck is amazing, I still can’t believe how much I like this one, it’s great.
Yeah if you're not into chemistry i wouldn't advise about caring much for those details it takes some backround to understand the significance of those things, i m a physicist and tho i understand the language most of the chemistry is wookie to me.
Both dck and 2f are similar to k. The major differences are
1) duration. I tried 2f less but i d compare it to k, maybe a bit longer
Dck lasts forever. Great if you know how to dose and when to take, not.so great when you take a large dose in the evening and can't sleep all night.
I d say come up ~5-10 minutes rises and peaks around 30-50 min after then your in for a few more hours and it wears off slowly which is annoying if you wanna sleep
2) potency
While 2f is equivalent to k in doses (forgot the exact dose but its close, even if its half or double my point stands) DCK IS NOT
That makes it much cheaper all things considered.
Threshold is ~5mg, take 2 10mg lines and you're floating in your bubble
why you have vid about Deschloroketamine but not ketamine?
will there be a vid on o-pce?
Could you discuss microbial properties of other drugs ?
That's about all the information there is beyond speculation. It comes from the drug's patent, which makes claims without backing them up fully. Patents don't have to be peer reviewed or anything like that so their claims should be taken with a grain of salt.
if u had the choice of FXE or 2FDCK which one ?
Can you explain how they get those chemical structure illustrations? and how basic synthesis works?
Niko Pfälzer He's not gonna make a video on either of those things anytime soon, but there's plenty of information on google.
Fluffed Pillows True, I just love his voice and how he explains things. Thank you. 😊
How they get the structure is most likely from knowlage on chemistry and having a lab testing the compound. Information on how u synth this is harder to get. I cant rly find any information on it.
skalmaa Deschloro means that the chlorine atom is removed from the molecule. You can probably find a method for removing a chlorine atom in general, (when the chlorine is bonded the same way it is in ketamine) and then just apply that process to ketamine.
Does this actually shut down pathways and not block them like ketamine? Is this much worse than ketamine? I have tryed both MXE, DCK and ketamine though i have never gone hard on MXE and DCK. Unlike K.
Are you making a video for ketamine?
very interesting but what if you run out of drugs
Which research dissociative do you recommend for depression?
there's no data on that. they tried 2-FDCK on mice, that's about it.
racemic ketamine should be your best bet.
@@jangy089 hmm? I'm doing racemic ketamine for depression now. It's not a silver bullet, but it's better than any other medication i've tried. And I do it at home, not a doctor's office.
@@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881 but do u know if u need more or less of 2F-Ketamine than normal Ketamine?
@@jangy089 Nah, nobody does. I wouldn't try. for normal Ketamin dosaging guidelines exist, makes much more sense to stick to that..
could you make a video or say something about 5-MeO-MiPt?
I read a little bit about it but have still no clear idea on how it differs from say psilocrin or meo-dmt
Do you have a ketamine video??
I felt great. Had a great night but I kept redosing not noticing it playing awesome at pool. That was like 11 1/2 hours ago and my main problem is I cannot sleep. I'm very functional but I'm fucking rocked but up.
Yeah it takes about 6-8 hours on the dot before you can fall asleep on DCK even if youre tired and not feeling anything anymore.
It reminded me a LOT of PCP
never tried this I have Ket and FXE so I'm thinking about trying this nxt
It felt like a dirtier ketamine to me.
Same
That's the exact word I used when I did DCK. It felt "Dirty"!!!
Can this shit be used like a chemical restraint? Like you can't move your body but your awake
@@markisthegreat3432 creepy
@@markisthegreat3432 at high enough doses all dissociatives will put your under total anesthesia. that's what ketamine was originally used for. they don't use it much on people anymore (outside of undeveloped counties) as they have better medicines now. recreational doses are just a fraction of what doctors would give you to put you "under."
so basically: yes
Is it smokable like pcp, or not smokable like ketamine?
@@charlesbill4622 why?
@@JohnDoe-ty4ir cause i m chemist , bill20170115@gmail.com
Why would I want to contact you?
Okay I'm going to do a reverse E mail look up on your email address.
actually ketamine is very vaporizable, it just stinks a sickly sort of lavender-like smell. MXE too. That's the only reason people don't vape them off foil. If your ketamine isn't working this way, you're getting a very contaminated product!
Different from 2FDCK?
Yes, 2-FDCK is easier going and shorter in duration. The effects of 2-FDCK are much closer to ketamine as well but has a longer comup and overall longer duration (an hour longer or so).
can you please include iv use?
This stuff was much better than ketamine accord to me.
You can do 2fdck?
Mattia Gualeni what is 2fdck? Everybody is saying this is not the same, the chemical structure he showed does not have a 2-fluoro group binding to it.
If had a ruptured eardrum for months now and fit prescribed atibiotics from doctor multiple times but it just kept getting infected.and this greenish fluid would come out of my ear then when i was of antibiotics for like a week i disided to do dsk with my friends at a event in my town for my 19th birthday. So when we arrived at the even we all snortrd the dsk a little bit to mutch for my liking.because i was barly in touch with reality later that evening.while we were partying i noticed my ear started to close up i thought shit here we go agian. But suprizingly the next day nothing.no infection or anything and my ear finaly started to heal.it hasent been infected sins that experience.
DCK is known to be antibiotic.
Its funny you say this cause i have a somewhat similar experience with it reducing or even clearing ear infections.
Very interesting thanks for sharing!
out of body experiences on this are really insightful.. by far my favourite drug to experience strong psychedelic cognitive effects.. even more so than 'actual' psychedelics.. the feeling of being one with everything and the experience of diving through dimensions, while listening to your favourite song.. this feeling is unmatched.. tryle the best drug
Would you recommend 1p-lsd spray or a 2f-dck spray? I used to enjoy weed & shrooms but now both lead to palpitations & chest pain even at low doses. So my plan is to try something else at very low doses, close to microdosing in the case of 1p. I appreciate any advice, thanks
@@raresmirceadid you like it?
@@Kushcloudzz666 very much yes, but it’s not without bad experiences. took it prolly on a dozen occasions and 70% of that time was great. but I had occasions in which I was just incredibly tired but when wanting to go to sleep I couldn’t, I just remained there trapped in between; other times I just swung wildly between feeling good & feeling a bit panicky, it wasn’t that bad but I just couldn’t enjoy a nice continuous chill, kept changing things every 10-20 seconds, put music, change song, stop music, put some clothes on to warm up, lay down, sit up a walk a bit, it was like I couldn’t find my place for some reason; also on one occasion I remained in a kind of catatonic state where I turned into a kind of energetic white buzz but that energy wasn’t accompanied by a positive valence, it was just stimulation but without any pleasure or happiness, just laid there awake & empty; and on another session I combined it with weed (I read that they go well together, my brother also had a great time with them) and I had heart palpitations & waves of incredibly mind-twisting horrors, luckily this only lasted for 30 min, and after that, even tho I had a mild pleasant buzz i also had nausea and just wanted everything to end. a somewhat nasty aspect is the fact that you’re not sure of yourself standing on your feet and there’s a risk of falling.
@@raresmircea ketamine tends to cause pulminory stimulation iirc from my pharmacology studies so 2-f-dck may not be a good option. As for lsd, it is a more intense cns stimulant than psilocybin, it is a weak dopamine/norepinephrine inhibitor so idnimagine 1p-lsd would be similar due to it being an analogue and a prodrug
do o-pce please!
Can you do an MXE video?
Do one of 2fdck
how is this different than 2f-dck?
CreativeUsername what is 2fdck? Everybody is saying this is not the same, the chemical structure he showed does not have a 2-fluoro group binding to it. But I’ve never heard of either of these RCs before.
@@soccrstar4 I have yet to try dck but I can tell you that 2f dck is suprisingly similar to ketamine but about 4-6 hours and it takes a rather large dose to hole on but nonetheless, it is magical.
Since when is tramadol not an opiod?
It is an opioid. But it deserves a specific mention when discussing combinations, often because of different interaction potentials.
tubewoodycool It functions as an SSRI on top of being an opioid, and it also lowers your seizure threshold. It poses more risks than other opioids, especially when combined with other drugs.
tubewoodycool not a opioid .
IM DCK is best. I've had some crazy holes mang
CosmicDaze sounds ruthless haha you know any reputable vendors for this drug?
Something like being uploaded into Facebook, or stuck in the floor in the darkenss?
fk yaaaa
I’ve done this, I thought I was buying ketamine at a rave of some dodgy guy the police cams so he sold me a gram for 15 which was a good deal because a gram is normally 20. Later that night me and my friend did a massive line each and I’ve never regretted doing a drug like that. It’s honestly the dirtiest I’ve ever felt in my life I was hearing voices and my hands looked weird everything look bigger or smaller than it normally is, and everyone looked so ugly it was pissing me off. I just wanted to get home because I felt like such a crackhead. When I looked in the mirror I saw such a ugly weird version of myself I’ll never forgot it my eyes were literally red. NEVER TRY THIS ITS NOTHING LIKE KETAMINE.
Took that one and was high for 15 hours by just one line. Had a panick attack and cried. Never taking that shit again.
Uncontrolled but still prosecutable under the analogue act?
Most drugs are
I liked the Paint drawn version of the molecule around 2:34. Chlorine removed ketamine is stronger. So the Cl wasn't helping much. Interesting drug.
Interesting if you remove on of the hydrogen bonds it becomes plasticine...pink colour to be exact......jks
It feels exactly like its in between Ketamine and PCP.
It like ketamine with a slight energy and paranoia of PCP, has some depressing effects but i found them more introspective then negative.
I like it a little too much
Is it legal?
@@J4themperordepends where you are. In the US, it’s in a grey area, but it’s illegal in china (one of the main countries of origin/manufacture) so it’s become harder to find from what I’ve learned
Can you please do one of 2fdck
Why is it best not to mix with Tramadol?
@The Senate tramadol is not an ssri fyi
the picture around 7 minutes looked crystalline. Bubble pipe. Yump. One day.
Shawna Field
What about heart rate?
I dident notice any problem with heart rate while i tried this one out, done like a gram of it. In diffrent dosages. Heaviest dose i did was around 50-60+mg or more, No problem with heart rate for me, but it might be diffrent for someone else. I dident notice any bad effects at all.
I want to get some.
Benny Camp
Do a 2fdck video
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Please do one on diclazepam. Please?
Michael Roberts has he done it yet can't find it anywhere
deffinately dont want this up my nose
Me neither, cause it sucks to take up the nose. bioavailability of this drug is way higher from oral consumption. Lot of people that barely get any nice effects from all from taking it nasaly.
i've snorted it.. Fucking hurt really bad. Idk if i had a shit batch but it sure was portent.
Take it oraly and it is pretty much more potent, atleast for me. i barely get any effects at all from snorting it.
I'm sure any type of ketamine will hurt your nose but ya orally is a way better option if you dont wanna deal with the painful sniff an gross drips down ur throat
Almost sounds like a bad shrooms trip lol.
Might sound like one, but its not. This was a pleasant experiance accord to me, a bad mushroom trip is not.
Alec Manor
It makes a tinitus
What is mania in this context?
Similar to traditional psychological mania, a state in which the user is somewhat confused, hyper-activated, and has grandiose (plus often delusional) thinking.
+The Drug Classroom How long does it usually last? Is it physicly dangerous?
It can last for hours, but it's very dependent on the dose and user. *Most* people won't experience notable mania symptoms at typical doses of DCK. As for being physically dangerous, mania isn't in itself dangerous. However, you can make some pretty unwise decisions that could be dangerous. But, again, this risk is small with DCK overall.
+The Drug Classroom Ok thanks. It's hard to find info about drug induced mania because only a mountain of articles of bipolar just appears on google when you search about mania
my other life :D dude I see you everywhere
sounds like dextromethorphan too
Brett Whitman I have alot of past experience with DXM, and yesterday I've tried Deschloroketamine for the first time, believe me it feels very VERY different
Cool, i could only imagine so.. i really wanna try another dissociative outside of DXM but have no idea where i'd get this drug...
Depends where you're from, in germany for example it's easy
canada british columbia
Ill stick to ketamine
Why when it comes to ROA people never consider IV unless its cocaine or heroin. Its a reality if its soluble.
Probably because not everyone wants to shoot up a research chemical
Is it a barbiturate or a nonbarbiturate?
Can you make a video about "CHANGA"?
Changa are just dmt mixed with MOI, he has already done a video about DMT
Seroquil?
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Typical,here in Australia they have taken research chemicals out of reach, I guess I would have to go to outside channels to try some but I don't have any, so I will have to read and watch every one else have fun,😭😭😭😭
You can get DCK in aus
I guess we should be able to get it here in Australia
Greenholt Mountains
My Dck looks brown like a shiitake mushroom and i got a little crystaline brick xp snorted it 10mins ago so we'll see
Not as potent as i thought not as potent as ketamine
how much did u do?
@@KidChaosXL 0.5 gr
Did u get disso'd?
@@inphinitezero5499there is no way you snorted 500mg of even half pure DCK unless you have an absolutely crazy insane high Arylcyclohexylamine tolerance.
3-meo-pcp is way more enjoyable and for a better price.
Bluntski what are some reputable international vendors for 3 meo pcp? If you happen to know any
Love kitamin , dxm for treatment of numbness of fleets nothing much right