The "problem" with modern abyss is that it sticks to the formula of "rewarding the players who follow the meta" way harder than it used to, meanwhile Natlan and its meta are controversal as hell, many ppl dont want to bench their whole box to get Natlan units and their odd design/gameplay. This modern era of genshin full of HP inflation and mechanics tied to specific units you have to pull gives me Honkai Star Rail vibes and more for the negatives than the positives...
this floor 12 is such a pain as a f2p player, especially with limited supports since i started a little over a year ago. just the sheer hp inflation is an issue for me, the boss mechanics are fine but my chasca suffers with the three little guys before the bosses since she sucks outside single target and it sucks up most of my time to deal with them.
I also started playing a little over a year ago (11/11/2023) but I 36* this abyss without much issue, I played a melt Arlecchino team first half and 2nd half I used a Mavuika vape team that was very scuffed but still managed to clear, just make sure you bring the necessary teammates for each half (pyro and cryo for first half and pyro + nightsoul/high amount of hits for 2nd half)
i think it's the worst ever. these shielded monsters manage to be even worse than all types of lectors. what a garbage monster design. i hate it with passion. fighting them feels horrible in every way possible. at least chamber 12-1-1 is good. that at least salvages replayability for me since that's by far the most important chamber. as long as i can have fun there trying builds and comparing my characters to each other, i think i'm okay.
its the hardest abyss ive ever done. wasnt able to get 36 stars for the first time in over 2 years. this entire abyss perfectly counters my entire account lol.
Fischl + Shinobu hyper bloom works really well for the second half if that's what you're struggling with. Most well built dps teams should be able to clear the first half.
@@RafidW9 It’s kinda just my account not having any pyro dps’s (besides Klee, but she’s Klee), Neuvillete is hard countered in this abyss, and I don’t have Chasca. I don’t wanna pull for Mavuika because I don’t like how she plays and she requires Natlan characters that I don’t have/don’t want to get in the first place. The 12-2-1 boss is annoying because of my lack of pyro and cryo on my account, and the papilla is also really annoying because of me not having Chasca. I’m pulling for Arlecchino which will solve my accounts big pyro dps issue, so I think I’ll just have to settle for 34 stars rn lmao.
I used burgeon for the papilla last abyss cycle. I did it without any natlan characters. This cycle, I'm waiting for arlecchino because without her, I haven't been able to clear floor 12 at all. With the release of natlan, to clear abyss I've had to strategize much more and it sucks the fun out for me.
I did it without Natlan characters: Ayaka, Kaeya, Xiangling and Bennett for the first half and Nahida, Fischl, Xingqiu and Kuki Shinobu for the second. I had to repeat the chambers a few times but managed to get 36 stars in the end. It's possible to do without Natlan characters but it's not that easy, at least for me 😅
This abyss is less infuriating and restrictive as the last one But i dont have 2 pyro dps, and for the first time in a while i couldnt 9 star floor 11 bcs them hydro blobs
I used Furina Segewinne XL and Kazuha and was able to just eke out 9 in that chamber on 11. I guess it does depend on your builds and cons and weapons for Furina XL and Kazuha tho. It was really close on 11.3 - even when I started I was thinking I’d have to redo 11 with a different team aimed specifically for that last chamber.
For me it was a headache as it took a bunch of retries but I got it with Arlecchino, Yelan, Citlali, Xiangling in first half mainly to freeze that Liyue boss and destroy the Wayob shield faster. Mavuika, Xilonen, Furina, and Bennett was the second half and it was really just apply buffs, deal damage, don’t die.
Cryo is my fav element This was an easy abyss unlike the last one. My team was (all c0 except nahida cuz she's c2 and Xiangling cuz she's c6): Top half: Arle, Nahida, Yae, Zhongli Bottom half: Emilie, Xiangling, Mavuika, Baizhu I was able to easily get all stars without worry Edit: you can easily replace nahida with anyone else. I just like burn/random overload dmg :p
this one is better than the old one but still a lot restrictive, because u need pyro and cryo for the first one and scond one u need nightsoul or hyperbloom or burning on the seocnd half which can be very restrictive for certain players
I managed to get 36 stars without Natlan characters, but I had to repeat the chambers several times until I got all stars. I used Ayaka (c0), Kaeya (c6), Xiangling (c6) and Bennett (c5) for the first half and Nahida (c0), Fischl (c6), Xingqiu (c6) and Kuki Shinobu (c0 😭) for the second. Honestly, I found it quite difficult this time but I'm happy I made it. I wish I could have used Shenhe instead of Kaeya, but she just won't get a rerun 💀
This is how i beat it free to play (also had free to play luck): 36 stars -- Team 1: Citlali, Bennet, Dj cat girl, Mavrika Team 2: Zhongli, Furina, Siegwinne (YES YOU NEED HEALS HERE), Navia And even then i barely did it last seconds due to anoying mobs.
i was hoping you would use citlali to freeze the boss clones on chamber 1 second half it makes it so much easier 😭😭 this abyss seems a lot easier, last abyss i struggled with having to use a bow character + dealing enough dmg but managed it with Arle overload edit: did the abyss and yeah this abyss is so much easier 😭😭 i might mess around with teams, it seems fun
i felt that the previous abyss was way better than the one this time, although i 36 starred both, the smaller abyss orb thingys are the most annoying enemy ever
floor 12 1st half is at least less restrictive since you can dodge the Suanni explosion with a well-timed dodge or a 5 star burst animation if you don't have or want to bring cryo unit. I used hyperbloom team just fine
I hate all of the Natlan character design gimicks. Im not pulling for a single one. None of the characters with the nightsoul shit have really struck me as "yeah I really like that character"
my fav element is Dendro least fav Cryo lmao so far easy abyss for me compare to last one first half: MavuikaC1--Xilonen--Furina--Bennett second half: Xingqiu--NahidaC2--Kuki--Alhaitham *my fav abyss team, carry me since Sumeru 😎
jesus this abyss was so much better. i went chasca and pewpewd everything and managed to clear. i was set on quitting genshin if i couldnt clear this lmao
The "problem" with modern abyss is that it sticks to the formula of "rewarding the players who follow the meta" way harder than it used to, meanwhile Natlan and its meta are controversal as hell, many ppl dont want to bench their whole box to get Natlan units and their odd design/gameplay.
This modern era of genshin full of HP inflation and mechanics tied to specific units you have to pull gives me Honkai Star Rail vibes and more for the negatives than the positives...
I don't think we've ever had buffs in floor 12
Yeah it's new and sticking around from this patch forward
@trulynavi4543 awesome that'll make it more easier to clear
i only remember debuff. It was 1.1 sheer cold.
There were abyss 12 buffs before, but way back like ok 2.1/2.2
I know, I like it. But can tell they have it locked somewhat to natlan chars lol. But look at this way, it's good for new players for extra primos.
For the wayward spirit witch you can freeze her and her clones if you use ororons or Citlali’s “night wind sight” charge.
this floor 12 is such a pain as a f2p player, especially with limited supports since i started a little over a year ago. just the sheer hp inflation is an issue for me, the boss mechanics are fine but my chasca suffers with the three little guys before the bosses since she sucks outside single target and it sucks up most of my time to deal with them.
I also started playing a little over a year ago (11/11/2023) but I 36* this abyss without much issue, I played a melt Arlecchino team first half and 2nd half I used a Mavuika vape team that was very scuffed but still managed to clear, just make sure you bring the necessary teammates for each half (pyro and cryo for first half and pyro + nightsoul/high amount of hits for 2nd half)
i think it's the worst ever. these shielded monsters manage to be even worse than all types of lectors. what a garbage monster design. i hate it with passion. fighting them feels horrible in every way possible.
at least chamber 12-1-1 is good. that at least salvages replayability for me since that's by far the most important chamber. as long as i can have fun there trying builds and comparing my characters to each other, i think i'm okay.
its the hardest abyss ive ever done. wasnt able to get 36 stars for the first time in over 2 years. this entire abyss perfectly counters my entire account lol.
What characters do you have, I struggled at first too but got 9 starts eventually.
Fischl + Shinobu hyper bloom works really well for the second half if that's what you're struggling with. Most well built dps teams should be able to clear the first half.
@@RafidW9 It’s kinda just my account not having any pyro dps’s (besides Klee, but she’s Klee), Neuvillete is hard countered in this abyss, and I don’t have Chasca. I don’t wanna pull for Mavuika because I don’t like how she plays and she requires Natlan characters that I don’t have/don’t want to get in the first place.
The 12-2-1 boss is annoying because of my lack of pyro and cryo on my account, and the papilla is also really annoying because of me not having Chasca. I’m pulling for Arlecchino which will solve my accounts big pyro dps issue, so I think I’ll just have to settle for 34 stars rn lmao.
I used burgeon for the papilla last abyss cycle. I did it without any natlan characters. This cycle, I'm waiting for arlecchino because without her, I haven't been able to clear floor 12 at all. With the release of natlan, to clear abyss I've had to strategize much more and it sucks the fun out for me.
its harder than the previous ones because i have no natlan charas lol i will just wait for arle rerun an d pullher and retry
I did it without Natlan characters: Ayaka, Kaeya, Xiangling and Bennett for the first half and Nahida, Fischl, Xingqiu and Kuki Shinobu for the second. I had to repeat the chambers a few times but managed to get 36 stars in the end. It's possible to do without Natlan characters but it's not that easy, at least for me 😅
This abyss is less infuriating and restrictive as the last one
But i dont have 2 pyro dps, and for the first time in a while i couldnt 9 star floor 11 bcs them hydro blobs
I used Furina Segewinne XL and Kazuha and was able to just eke out 9 in that chamber on 11. I guess it does depend on your builds and cons and weapons for Furina XL and Kazuha tho. It was really close on 11.3 - even when I started I was thinking I’d have to redo 11 with a different team aimed specifically for that last chamber.
the hydro blobs can be cleared by raiden national
My favorite element is money
For me it was a headache as it took a bunch of retries but I got it with Arlecchino, Yelan, Citlali, Xiangling in first half mainly to freeze that Liyue boss and destroy the Wayob shield faster. Mavuika, Xilonen, Furina, and Bennett was the second half and it was really just apply buffs, deal damage, don’t die.
The Suanni is so annoying if you don't have cryo.
He 1 shots waterboy on full hp with his sword damage reduction.
Cryo is my fav element
This was an easy abyss unlike the last one. My team was (all c0 except nahida cuz she's c2 and Xiangling cuz she's c6):
Top half: Arle, Nahida, Yae, Zhongli
Bottom half: Emilie, Xiangling, Mavuika, Baizhu
I was able to easily get all stars without worry
Edit: you can easily replace nahida with anyone else. I just like burn/random overload dmg :p
this one is better than the old one but still a lot restrictive, because u need pyro and cryo for the first one and scond one u need nightsoul or hyperbloom or burning on the seocnd half which can be very restrictive for certain players
I managed to get 36 stars without Natlan characters, but I had to repeat the chambers several times until I got all stars. I used Ayaka (c0), Kaeya (c6), Xiangling (c6) and Bennett (c5) for the first half and Nahida (c0), Fischl (c6), Xingqiu (c6) and Kuki Shinobu (c0 😭) for the second. Honestly, I found it quite difficult this time but I'm happy I made it. I wish I could have used Shenhe instead of Kaeya, but she just won't get a rerun 💀
Teams I used that didnt give me too much problems were
Hu Tao, Yelan, Kaeya, Zhongli
Nahida, Xingqui, Kuki, fischl
This is how i beat it free to play (also had free to play luck):
36 stars --
Team 1: Citlali, Bennet, Dj cat girl, Mavrika
Team 2: Zhongli, Furina, Siegwinne (YES YOU NEED HEALS HERE), Navia
And even then i barely did it last seconds due to anoying mobs.
Kinich has been by far the best character for me in every abyss. So easy yet so rewarding and enjoyable
I believe in Chasca supremacy
i was hoping you would use citlali to freeze the boss clones on chamber 1 second half it makes it so much easier 😭😭 this abyss seems a lot easier, last abyss i struggled with having to use a bow character + dealing enough dmg but managed it with Arle overload
edit: did the abyss and yeah this abyss is so much easier 😭😭 i might mess around with teams, it seems fun
How do you freeze them with citlali??
@clutch186 by holding citlali's normal attack, a circle will appear and that will freeze them for a few seconds giving you time to melt them
i felt that the previous abyss was way better than the one this time, although i 36 starred both, the smaller abyss orb thingys are the most annoying enemy ever
I soloed 1st half with Arlecchino and just used Chasca, Mavuika, Citlali, Bennett to nuke the Abyss mimic enemies on 2nd half.
This abyss what no match for my favorite character: Dulic!
Favorite element is pyro. Bet you never would've guessed
Id like to see dehya with citlali
As someone who has not got a well built pyro dps m not doing very well ...
Headache 100%
Nothing I have will defeat any chamber.
I just did the spiral abyss also. I got 35 couldn't get 36 second floor of floor 12 messed me up.
you literally need 2 melt teams one with arlecchino and one with mavuika wtf
floor 12 1st half is at least less restrictive since you can dodge the Suanni explosion with a well-timed dodge or a 5 star burst animation if you don't have or want to bring cryo unit. I used hyperbloom team just fine
My favorite element is hydro, crazy thing is my most hated character is in my y favorite element family (Nilou)
I hate all of the Natlan character design gimicks. Im not pulling for a single one. None of the characters with the nightsoul shit have really struck me as "yeah I really like that character"
my fav element is Dendro
least fav Cryo lmao
so far easy abyss for me compare to last one
first half: MavuikaC1--Xilonen--Furina--Bennett
second half: Xingqiu--NahidaC2--Kuki--Alhaitham *my fav abyss team, carry me since Sumeru 😎
natlan characters = 36 star abyss
Anemo u already know
The last boss without chasca is so pain but i don’t want her but its soooo hard
Just use any hyperbloom team variation, they make quick work of the shield, using Citlali and/or Mavuika also works
Was gonna say, he chewed through the Papilla like it was nothing.
@ yeah and that’s bc he used chasca who does a lot of elemental application 😭🙏
@Enimideyou can use ororon if you have him he is Soo good for this boss or else Hyperbloom, teaser or burning teams are so fast as well
I used the same teams (Xilonen instead of Thoma, Ororon instead of Citlali).
Very easy abyss for me, compared to the previous one.
jesus this abyss was so much better. i went chasca and pewpewd everything and managed to clear. i was set on quitting genshin if i couldnt clear this lmao
Yeah, this is BS... Promoting the "latest stuff". Pure marketing, over fun for players...