Dr. Peter Kreeft on the Authority of the Catholic Church
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- Dr. Peter Kreeft at the Catholic Diocese of Arlington Men's Conference 2013 speaking on the authority of the Church.
Dr. Kreeft is a professor of philosophy at Boston College and The King's College. He is the author of numerous books as well as a popular writer of Christian philosophy, theology and apologetics. He also formulated, together with Ronald K. Tacelli, SJ, "Twenty Arguments for the Existence of God." His intellectual reputation stems from his strengths in debating and summarizing the philosophical arguments of the major Western philosophers. He has debated several academics in issues related to God's existence. He is a regular contributor to several Christian publications, is in wide demand as a speaker at conferences, and is the author of over 67 books including: Handbook of Christian Apologetics, Christianity for Modern Pagans, and Fundamentals of the Faith.
The only Organic Church founded by a divine person ... The Catholic Church .... simple truth ... Thank yiu Jesus Christ
***** I see where you want this to go .... well since no Churches existed then nor Christians I have to tell you to none since you decide to ask a question like that, what I do know is that Noah built a Ark a prefigurement of the church to come the Old Testame pointing to the New Testament and the New Testament fulfilling the Old Testament .... I'm not sure where you're going with this so if you can add a little more
***** the world was saved by a built structure pointing to the NT brother if yiur trying to spin the wheel again like so many out if all the denominations which protestantism is the greatest division in human history and happens to be in a belief where division is rejected then your interpretation is most likely not true .... theres only One Church with One Faith with One Shepard in One Flock the CC
***** the reason why I say no Christians IS Because Logical no Christians and Peter Defined JESUS Christ So JESUS Christ Defined Peter Simple Truth plus Read THE Early Church Apostolic Fathers YOUR Protestant Spin IS In Error Brotha Thats Not THE Teaching From JESUS Christ To THE Apostles THEN To the Apostolic Church Fathers if I don't get right back to you it's because I'm a little busy but I will respond to you most definitely
***** let me ask you this can you tell me when the Church started the very first Church how it started and why it started .... let's see I know you will need to look this up so I'll wait for you to study it if you find the correct source for the true answer
The Church was born on the Cross when Christ died for our sins .... if you say anything my friend you are in error clearly .... there's scholars with videos on you tube but they are in error also this is the ancient teaching and in truth ....
God bless you Dr. Kreeft. Keep teaching the truth.
+J Law He hasn't done so yet.
Truth Seeker So says you
J Law
Indeed
Love his talks. So rational and uplifting.
+Margaret Rooney Are you sure you were watching Kreeft?
Simply AWESOME!! This is why I love my Catholic Faith & Catholic Church!! :-)
Don't be absolutely stupid. What do you think the Mass is? What do you think the prayers of the Church are? Glory be to the Father, and to the SON and to the Holy Spirit. You're just regurgitating anticatholic nonsense all over the internet and I'm very tired of finding your BS everywhere I go. Please do something intelligent and productive.
Dr Kreeft has worked 55 yrs now in Boston collage. I too worked there. As a painter & decorator in 99/00..lol...We Irish, since the 70's had a tradition of taking a year off to spend working in America. I loved Southie so much i wanted to stay on there. I worked with a gr8 crew of Irish ppl, some there 20 years, like my boss and some new. I worked in BC and had a contract with the government buildings, we built a beautiful gym in the Tip o Neil, and painted the whole of the McCormick building....Gr8 times in Boston
I love Peter Kreeft!! He came to our church as a guest speaker at a conference. I would love to have taken a course at Boston College by him!
Dr. Kreeft is one of the few men I look up to, and rightly so. I learned SO much from just this talk!
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i'm glad to find a louder audio of dr, kreeft here. thank you!
Thank you so much Dr.Peter Kreeft😄💓
Splendid! Bravo 👏🏻 Mr. kreeft
inspiring talk!
God planned one Church... not many..
The Church belongs to Christ.
One body of Christ.
It always does well 2 see it and hear it here.
Excellent lecture! I especially like Dr. Kreeft's comment: "Christ is the Church".
John 20:30 "Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name"
What irony in the statement: "it isn't Biblical." Friends, the Catholic Church compiled that Bible! If it weren't for the very bride of Christ you would have no Bible to talk about or measure any argument against. Too much fiction. Observe the arguments Kreeft makes about divorce. Christ does not have more than one bride. Get Real. "To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant!"
This is where the Protestant arguments against Catholic teaching begin and end for me. They are using a book which was (at least the New Testament) written by Catholics (the only denomination of Christianity for the first 1500 years of Christianity) and a Canon which was closed about 400 years after Christ's resurrection , to argue that the Church which wrote the book and closed the Canon teaches things that are debunked by its own book! Oh wait, I forgot that they're usually using the new improved Martin Luther version of the book, because he somehow got divine permission to omit about 7 books from the Bible 1100 yrs after the Canon was closed. Where did he get that authority again?
I love how they reject oral tradition as well but forget that there was NO New Testament written tradition for almost 400 years after Christ.
jawojnicki I detest it when you refer to the Word of the Living God as "a book"! What an insult to God. No wonder you reject "God's Testimony" in 1John 5:9-13
+Tim Spangler What do you think the word "bible" means?
+Tim Spangler And you reject God's authority and the Church he established. Catholics do not reject the Bible, you reject the Church that produced it and gave it to you. THE BIBLE IS A PRODUCT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Can you people TRY to comprehend this basic FACT?
+mark andre augustus YES!! How True!!
A very good exegetical on the Visible and Spiritual need for The Nature of The Church.
Excellent.
St. Augustine "To be unwilling to give the primacy to the Roman Church either stems from the utmost impiety or from rash arrogance" (Augustine. De Util. Cred. c.17).
Great lecture.
Dr. Kreeft has such a kind and gentle spirit about him, so much that he has been adored by both Catholics and Protestants, alike. Dr. Kreeft is a long time supporter and participant of Catholics and Evangelicals Together, and is a guest speaker to both Protestant and Catholic circles.
Well said dr Kreeft
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God… They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 6
A great ending of tough love there in the end. Lol. Dr Kreeft, God bless you!! The greatest homily I have ever heard of. Mind blowing! Pray for me.
Before anyone thinks I have to have the last word, I think I will end our discussions. I wish you all the best in your endeavors in bringing souls to Jesus. Glory to the Blood of Jesus, both now and through the Everlasting Ages.
AMEN--I remember when I first learned this truth. It was an amazing revelation. I left the man made prot church cuz it was only founded for the purpose of fighting the Catholic church. Prot churches are fake, flawed and man made
Thanks for sharing your OPPINION About CHATOLICK CHURCH AND JESUS CHRIST.AMEN GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU
This discusses in part the authority of the church . Where does he point the authority of the Catholic Church v all other churches
well after my frustrated comments I'm beginning to realize that people's experiences are often key to how they react to well meaning people.
"You can't beat love" What a mystery to ponder
I also am fond and sympathetic towards Dr. Kreeft because he has been on both sides of this great issues. Quite so, Dr. Kreeft was a born-again Calvinist for much of his youth. He spent much of his time trying to disprove Catholic teaching, and in the process fell in love with Jesus all over again. Even if Dr. Kreeft or any Catholic, for that matter, is wrong, this sort of seeking and studying, at the very least, cultivates an open mind to invite Jesus, even if He comes to correct.
Even if I ONLY based what I believed on soley their fruits (behaviour towards others) I could NEVER believe that Protestantism was from GOD. All I ever see is how they mistreat others, bashing, condemming, bickering & names calling.....such incredible hostility would NEVER make me believe they were Godly people.
I had some good Protestants in my life. My mom and dad, who not one time talk bad of Catholics. My protestants teachers. But i can say that 90% fear or hate Catholic. Maybe 20% hate Catholic and the ones who fear what they do not understand.
+floyd rains Strange math.
You are very correct cynthia x. Their acts of mistreating others, bashing condemning, condemning, bickering and name calling are clear and patent evidences of the act of the devil. Simply put, they care showing their horns, and I am very sure that god is not with them.
You are saved. I am REDEEMED. Redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, and am called to his supper as are those with whom I gather. Worthy is the Lamb that is slain. Worthy to receive, glory, and honor and power.
He called Simon Peter "Cephas" which means rock. Saying upon this rock I will build my church. Peter was not the rock of salvation, rock of ages, etc. He was called to be the first leader of the church, so I guess that is why Jesus called him rock.
“Concerning the Church and Jesus
I just know they are one.”
St. Joan of Arc
She was wrong.
Thats exactly how I got started, we are all sinners and therefore the worst examples. I forget who said "If you find the perfect church once you enter it it wont be perfect anymore. I quite agree. when you are ready and one day you will be like i was I would still encourage you read,especially the Church Fathers if you want to learn more about who you follow. Your knowledge of the Catholic church is full of elementary mistakes often repeated by people, I used to make Good luck on your journey
lol, he is one of the most respected philosophers around comments like that crack me up instead of raising an issue with something he said, you bring up style..not very loving. Welcome home, I became born-again years ago after loosing my faith. Through years of reading and study I like many others came home to Christs church, the Catholic Church. Like Chesterton says "To be rich in history is to cease to be protestant." I pray that they be one Jn 17;21. God Bless you on your new journey
There is a lot commenting on this video, thus far; however, it seems to have turned into more of a rantfest for both sides. We should always have the three values of Faith, Hope and Love at the core of all of our posts, even if we disagree. I would hope that if Dr. Kreeft had some error or some lack of clarity, that people might ask or even post why they disagree with Dr. Kreeft. Although, as a follower of Dr. Kreeft's talks and publications, I find him incredibly thorough, consistent and clear.
Tertullian
"[T]his is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrneans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John, like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 [A.D. 200]).
I very much enjoy listening to Dr. Kreeft, though I must point out an inconsistency with another great Christian lecturer/writer that got me thinking. At around the 10:05 point of this video, Dr. Kreeft says that "You are your body, you don't have a body, you are a body." This wording contradicts with a popular C.S. Lewis quote who, when attempting to convince others that we have souls, said something along the lines of "your right, we don't have souls, we are souls, we have bodies." Anyone have any thoughts on this?
We are embodied spirits; "In Sacred Scripture the term "soul" often refers to human life or the entire human person.230 But "soul" also refers to the innermost aspect of man, that which is of greatest value in him,231 that by which he is most especially in God's image: "soul" signifies the spiritual principle in man." CCC 356.
Remember, the body and soul together constitute the entire human person. Though there are present in Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory the souls whose particular disposition towards The Lord has merited their present condition, the entire human person does not suffer in Hell at present, languish in Purgatory at present, or rejoice in Heaven at present. Only after the Resurrection shall the whole of the human person, and the fullness of his humanity, enter into his eternal reward or eternal destruction.
Additionally, I would recommend reading the entirety of Article 1, paragraph 6 in the Catechism. May God bless and keep you.
Lewis didn't actually say that. It's an incorrect association.
Redeemed means from sin, of which the wages of sin is the wrath. We feel we know Jesus personally in the Euchrist.
St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans, 8:1, 110 A.D.:
Let that Eucharist be held valid which is offered by the bishop or by the one to whom the bishop has committed this charge. Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the CatholicChurch
With that said: What I meant by my question was, how do you know what to follow not how you follow. I think if you answered that honestly, you would say you follow the Bible, someone at some point introduced you to it or perhaps you stumbeld on it on your own, either way you follow the Bible. Correct?
Did you get that from wikipedia too? Lol.
I feel I know Jesus personally. I talk to him daily. Church is not a club, but so much more.
Divorce is really quite a touchy subject in any church. I really don't want to get into that one full force. I do believe Our Lord has tender mercy toward divorced persons.
One of my heroes. Is this Arlington MA? I used to love there! God bless!
No, Arlington Virginia.
Fair enough then, I apprecaite your honesty in your unwillingness to learn. I am not ordered to believe anything. Christ has offered to me his teachings through his Church, just as I am free to acceppt he himself, I too am free to follow his teachings. Since I choose to follow him I search for truth and that search has led me to his ONE True Church. If I might ask though, how do you follow the Lamb?
I am glad you have met Jesus personally. I can't claim to have met him personally, but I have had many, many miraculous answers to my prayers, including a cure for terminal cancer. I know Jesus loves me, and I know he loves you. You need to tone down the animosity, and not come across as so belligerent. When he ascended into heaven he left a church. Salvation is for the whole world, and not just for individuals. His salvation of mankind has been ongoing for 2000 yrs. Let us trust in him.
Yes I went from born-again to non denominational and kept coming up with differences often times subtle but differences nonetheless. "The bible alone" as many taught doesnt make sense. Then I heard Ravi Zacharias(no catholic) say, dont look "at" Jesus but look through the eyes of Jesus and see the world as Jesus sees it. When you look at his life and mission, the apostles their apostles and the early Church. It is Catholic (one) Then when you learn what the Church actually teaches DONE
Just my own personal little apocalypse, or the Second Coming. Whichever comes first. Please reference the term rapture in Scripture. It sounds as if you have been to Tim Staples you tube on this. I found it quite enlightening. I understand the belief in the rapture has only been around for a couple of centuries. I may be wrong.
St Ignatius of Antioch
"Make certain, therefore, that you all observe one common Eucharist; for there is but one Body of our Lord Jesus Christ, and but one cup of union with his Blood, and one single altar of sacrifice-even as there is also but one bishop, with his clergy and my own fellow servitors, the deacons. This will ensure that all your doings are in full accord with the will of God" (Letter to the Philadelphians 4 [A.D. 110]).
Great man. Brilliant.
Hey Wayne: Nice to bump into you again. I think it is amazing the high tech you must have to be posting on here. That reading software and voice recognition must be good. I know you cant have eyes and hands because the Bible told you to pluck your eyes out and cut your hands off. I know you must have sinned, and you do what the Bible says. Do people help you to the altar , because the Bible says to eat Jesus's flesh and drink his blood. I know you take the bible literally.
I pretty much agree with that. The thief on the cross next to Jesus asked to enter Paradise, and Jesus assured him he would. It would probably be best though not to wait until zero hour. Once you are saved, redeemed, etc., then you need to walk the walk so to speak. Prayer, scripture, loving our brothers, and helping others, are the fruits of the Holy Spirit. We all could use a little more of being Christlike. As I talk with you, I realize just how much I fall short.
St. Augustine's rhetoric did not always match his rhetoric. He had to correct Pope Zosimus in the Pelagius heresy. Pope Zosimus was in accord with Pelagius, and it took an African council of Augustine, Aurelius, and Alypius to force (with the emperor's help) to recant his support (Let. Postquam a nobis) for Pelagius
I speak Chinese as a mother tongue , I don’t know what TE is.
oh...btw....nothing against peyer kreeft...he is awesome...I was referring to hostile attacking responders to this video who don't want to even try to understand Catholicism
+Christine Czyryca Why don't Catholics believe God's testimony?
9 We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Concluding Remarks
13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
+Tim Spangler We not only believe God's testimony, we had it before it was written. When it was an oral tradition! "Your" bible came from us. Read the Church Fathers.
chuckHart70 llove it! Good answer!
+chuchHart70 The Bible came from God and the Orthodox church, not the Catholic church. No, the Christians had the Gospels before they were written down. Catholics never had them and will never understand them, since their mind are closed to the Gospels by Catholic dogmas.
TheLongSummer exactly....you don't understand.
Peter is gr8, but i prefer listening to theologians. If any1 interested in the teachings of the Christian Church a great pocket book called " MY WAY OF LIFE, pocket edition of st. Thomas, the summa simplified for everyone. Even the Eucharist is given a gr8 explanation...God Bless ppl
Henry the Eighth cut off head of his wife, the bishop, and any body else who disagreed with his decision to divorce and remarry. Hence, the birth of Protestantism. I would also say the crucifixion was very violent, but it was necessary for the salvation of the world. God will make all things work to good for those who love him.
Holy Bible, Jeremiah 17.5 : The LORD says, " I will condemn those who turn away from me and put their trust in human beings, in the strenght of mortals.
We have different interpretations of this passage. Yes, Peter, the Apostles, and Paul were all weak, sinful men until filled with the Holy Spirit. We know God could not find a man without sin, so he had to work with what he had to work with I guess.
What matters is if the way you follow is Biblical.
Luke 16:24 ''Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.''
Have you denied yourself and taken up your cross? That is how you follow Jesus.
Luke 27 ''For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.''
Are you prepared to have your actions, both good and bad, measured out unto you?
"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, cf. 18:9; Mark 9:47).
What's to interpret? There is no doubt that you have used your eyes to sin, so why didn't you pluck them out?
No statues? Exodus 22:18 ''Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle.''
Take it at face value? Peter warned against this in 2 Petert 3:15-16
Ditto
My zealous and loving brother Wayne, the Bible says the church is the body of Christ. He compares the relationship of the church as a marriage, with Christ as the head. If he didn't leave a church behind, then why does the Bible say he did. Maybe you can get to heaven without attending a church if you believe and love the Lord. I certainly hope so. But as for me and my house, I will continue to feast at the Lamb's supper. I do have to admire your tenacity, even if I don't agree with you.
~ ST Ignatius~ - Bishop of Antioch ~ AD 110 To the Magnesians:
"I advise you to always act in godly concord with the Bishop, presiding as the counterpart of God, and the presbyters as the counterpart of the council of the Apostles...As the Lord did nothing without the Father, either by Himself or by means of the Apostles, so you must do nothing without the Bishop and the presbyters."
Ultimately the Holy Spirit is the supreme authority on the word of God.
but some do and some don't but that does not mean that you should not because others don't people have fallen nature that is why we have the church
So if we encountered non-human intelligent life on the other side of the galaxy, would the church have authority over them?
Stupidest question of all
@@TheMarymicheal why is it a stupid question?
@@Matt_Dalton
Catholics do tend to emote more than reason... Arun got quiet in a hurry.
You are correct. We are the Body of Christ, and he is the head. I am not sure what green box you are talking about. Never heard of it
The bible says divorce is wrong and that to remarry is to commit adultery. Why is it that so many of you do not preach this, but overlook it as if it is not biblical. You can't pick and choose your sins.
It really doesn't matter what religion Itnatius was. He mentioned the Catholic Church by name and described its hierarchy in detail in 110A.D. so your assertion that Constantine founded the Catholic Church is patently false on its face.
I will let it go.....
He didn't say not too. Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant. As the Ark of the Covenant carried the manna, the tablets, etc. Mary carried the New Covenant, Jesus, in her womb. The angel Gabriel said to Mary, Henceforth, all generations shall call you blessed. We do He who loves the Mother, loves the Son, and who loves the Son, loves the Mother.
The Roman Catholic Church
1. The Church is one
2. The Church is Visible
3. The Church is Forever
4. The Church is Truth
5. The Church is messy
6. The Church is a kingdom
7. The Church is teacher
8. The Church is a mystery
9. The Church is hierarchal
10. The Church is Holy
11. The Church is Apostolic
12. The Church is sacramental
13. The Church is Catholic
14. The Church is dynastic
ALL HERESY! God is One! God is Invisible. God alone is eternal. Jesus said that he IS the Truth. God is NOT messy-human beings are because we are SINFUL. It is God's Kingdom, NOT Rome's! As the Truth and the Spirit of Truth, it is God who is the teacher. The Trinity is a mystery, the abuses of the Roman Catholic Church are not. There is no hierarchy with God, as God alone is the Supreme Judge of the World-and no respecter of persons. God alone is Holy. One cannot demonstrate any so-called Apostolic succession-though the Church is free to lie and claim it as truth. One becomes a believer in and follower of Christ, through faith alone. No sacrament is required for salvation, and Christ and the Disciples gave us 2 sacraments: baptism (the believers first act of obedience) and communion-which is done in remembrance today of what Christ accomplished in the past, until he comes in the future. ALL those who come to faith in Christ are "catholic", though the process of learning and sanctification can be messy. As for "dynastic", so the Church is all about power and wealth? Interesting... But it is God alone who is all-powerful while the Scriptures should be mined for their tremendous wealth-and the Scriptures testify of Jesus, not the Roman Catholic Church! (John 5:39)
ALL HERESY!
God is One! God is Invisible. God alone is eternal. Jesus said that he IS the Truth.
God is NOT messy-human beings are because we are SINFUL.
It is God's Kingdom, NOT Rome's!
(2) has God's authority to teach what the scriptures mean. God in the person of Jesus Christ instituted one church and one church only, (no breakaways), with his apostles and he said of that church that it would remain until the end of time and that the gates of hell would never hold out against it. He also gave the church all earthly moral authority and He told them that He would send the Holy Spirit to inspire and to guide them. That is the church that became based in Rome after 3 hundred
Graven images. I do believe there were statues of angels on the ark of the covenant.
What came first.... the church or the bible. The bible is a product of the Catholic Church.
(3) continue to do so as our Divine Saviour said. Protestants, especially where I live, are always ranting about the errors of Rome. Protestantism is full or errors the most important one of which is that it denies the authority of the church, an authority that Christ/God gave to it when He said, "What you bind on earth will be bound also in heaven...." and I'm sure you know the rest. You should remember that the church is Satan's number 1 target as was Christ Himself when Satan tempted Him 3
Yeah, so your point is?
St Ignatius...to the church also which holds the presidency, in the location of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and, because you hold the presidency in love, named after Christ and named after the Father" (Letter to the Romans 1:1 [A.D. 110]).
(1) First of all, thank you for your opening comments - quite unexpected given my blistering attack on your theological mindset, but I felt the need to state what I believe is the truth. How in the name of goodness is the CC's mindset geared towards getting rid of non catholics? The days of burnings at the stake are long gone you know! Pope John Paul ll, during his pontificate, decreed that Protestantism IS a path to salvation for its followers, so you are wrong on that. The CC itself will not
Now be nice. You were doing so good.
There is also the famous Augustine sermon given at the cathedral in Carthage whereby A. quoted Galatians where Paul admonished and corrected Peter. .
St.A. "Thus Peter, so named by that rock (petra), would represent the person of the church which is built upon the rock. He was not called petra but Peter; the petra was Christ.
Source:R.A. Markus, Saeculum: History and Society in the Theology of St. Augustine (Cambridge U. Press, 1970), pp. 129-30
A Christian can live thousands of miles from the nearest church . But if he has a Bible and believes in Jesus he or she will go to heaven. Can a Catholic go to heaven by this scenario.
No one had a Bible for 1400yrs of Christianity.
They were hand made before the printing press in 1453ad
If a Christian believes in Christ but doesn’t have a Bible can he or she be saved?
If I might ask, why is it that you do not accuse Catholics of idolatry for Eucharistic Adoration? It is quite clear that we worship Christ in the form of bread, but you do not believe that the bread is Christ.
What about the serpent God told Moses to make.
Yes, as is the Bible, guided by the Holy Spirit. Not sure what your point is? The catechism is an explanation of teachings of the Church. Christ sent his apostles to go out to all nations teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matt 28 19:20 . Again look at the early Church that Christ left, not what renegade men have created, taken from the Church to fill their own beliefs. All denominations are splintered from the One
Chalana gana ghandrva murthiya samaga apaa pulaa sambandhaya vanuvan api idam nindha gam panathaa daavala nindha gam panathaa idam vala himi karuvo unama chana ghandarva murthiya mata kathaa karanna patan gaththaa murthi vala arudha athma murthiyan aliyata avith mata kathaa karanna patan gaththaa
(4) times, so how much more likely is he to try his damnedest to lead people in the church astray? Finally, I don't mean to cause you any offence but as I stated initially I feel the need to state the truth.
I don't recall saying God needs help......Where did this come from. I need help, not God.
As a protestant, I wholeheartedly agree with all of this, and yet I do not see how this picture of the Church necessitates that it is manifested in what we call the Catholic Church today. In fact, I think it is clearly not the Catholic Church. I think the title of this video should be The Authority of Love, which is exactly what Luther would have espoused. I fear the Catholic Church precisely because I think it has lost touch with the image so excellently outlined in this video. I also fear most protestant churches for the same reason.
I'm not sure about you, but Pope Francis is a boss and a great image and embodiment of love, the person that was handed down the authority of the Church. Reason he picked Francis as his name was primarily because his focus was to rebuild the church, just as St. Francis of Assisi was told to do. The Church hasn't lost its body, it is that it may have lost the love in its parts - there will always and only be one Church of the fullness of truth, the Catholic Church!
Except that Love for some means totally different things. Take for example the 30k protestant denominations. They all claim to follow Christ/love, however they all come down to different truths, opposing truths. How can that be?
When you ask, How can that be? are you interested in the mechanics of denominationalization (lol, what a word), how it happened historically, or are you asking how difference in ancillary doctrines can occur without a difference in fundamental doctrine? Because my answer to the third would be that (excluding false Christianity), the difference in truth claims is not a "coming down," as in a fundamental discrepancy. The difference in truth claims is a "coming up," or a discrepancy in the outgrowing expressions of a more fundamental concurrence. In other words, we can all agree on the seed of the matter, but even being the same kind of tree does not mean we all grow exactly alike. Ideally, denominational structure would spark civil dialogue in and among an overarching community of believers, which is actually a sign of vitality. In practice, it doesn't happen that way, but I think that's mostly because christendom is overrun with false-christians (protestant and catholic alike).
shotinthedark90 "but even being the same kind of tree does not mean we all grow exactly alike."
It's not a matter of differing in small things.... denominations differ from resurrection belief to no resurrection, to Christ being divine and human to just being a prophet, to how one is saved....
It's not small matters.
"The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth" 1 Tim 3:15
Truth is one as Christ is Truth.
The Holy Spirit does not tell different things to different people. The Holy Spirit does not have a multiple personality.
Prior to the Catholic Church establishing the canon of the bible in the late 300s AD People were guided by Truth by the Church otherwise one is calling Christ a liar when He said "Not even the gates of hell shall prevail against it."
In fact, it was the guidance of the Holy Spirit through the Church that produced the bible, otherwise you would be reading dozens and dozens of heretical Gnostic books all claiming to be inspired.
It was the Church that gave the world the bible and it was the Church that kept the truth all along and it was Christ's church that has always maintained that same exact truth without changing it. The only Church that has done that is the Catholic Church.
There are clear limitations to what can rightly be called Christian doctrine, that's true. But I think those limitations are discoverable and practicable independent from papal authority, for example. Anything that properly falls under the Christian classification has to adhere to definite truths, but that does not mean all beliefs, and it certainly doesn't mean the belief in this or that pope. We should test all spirits. Just as two people can be of one accord, even so much as a husband and wife, and yet not agree on all matters, so two denominations can be of one accord in Christ while maintaining points of contention. I mean, you get that internal to any family or body of believers anyway. It might be the case that the congealing of like-minded believers into isolated clumps does a disservice to Christianity in general, but the contentions are not proof of illegitimacy. I do not discount that a Catholic can be a true Christian, I discount that being a Catholic makes you a true Christian, just as I would discount that being a member of any kind of protestant denomination makes you a true Christian.
I agree that biblical canonization was guided.
Well, as Jesus said to Thomas the Apostle. You believe because you have seen. Blessed are they who have not seen, but believe. I am happy if you have seen Jesus, and you are very blessed. I just don't think I have to have a vision to know Jesus personally. Every Christian needs a personal and public relationship with Our Lord. Private, personal prayer and meditation, and public worship. Please do not assume I am not going to heaven because I am Catholic.
Please, someone define "Protestantism" and explain how it is heretical. Anyone?
Protestantism was a movement started by Luther to reform the Catholic Church which was in need of reform. However, Luther over reacted & lost the plot.
It is heretical because, contrary to the Bible, it is based on faith alone, Sola scriptura, once saved always saved myth, does not regard baptism as essential for salvation, rejects the Holy Mass, the authority of the Church & of the Pope Matt 16:18 etc
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Luther had no intention of starting a movement. Things changed when the Church failed to reform and continued in heresy. Now, how is "Protestantism" contrary to the Bible? You're not backing up a word of what you assert with... the Bible. Peter was a stone-(a tool used by God, just like Mary was used by God)-all throughout the Bible, the Rock is God. You're Church has lied to you.
NEVER put words into the mouth of God , HE did not tell Peter his authority would be given to Popes .
How do you know everything Christ told St. Peter and the Apostles? Do you think that *_everything_* Christ taught and told to his Apostles made it into Sacred Scripture? Perhaps you might read John 21:25.
Nevertheless, it actually is quite clear in Sacred Scripture that Christ intended his Apostles to spread the gospel to the entire world:
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.” -- Matthew 28:19-20
In the ancient world, this could not be accomplished in a single human lifetime, nor multiple lifetimes. It is obvious, by reason alone, that Christ intended his Apostles to pass on their commission to others who could take it up, and in turn pass it along to others (Apostolic Succession). But if reason alone is not enough...it is also clearly spelled out in Scripture:
"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you." -- 1 Corinthians 11:2
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:15
"Command and teach these things. Let no one despise your youth, but set the believers an example in speech and conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. Till I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophetic utterance when the elders laid their hands upon you." -- 1 Timothy 4:11-14
"You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also." -- 2 Timothy 2:1-2
Finally, it is not enough to have the Gospel known everywhere throughout the world at any one particular moment. The Gospel has to be proclaimed across not just space, but time as well. There HAS to be a teaching Authority that guards and protects the Deposit of Faith, and authoritatively teaches it to new generations.
Furthermore, any honest reader of the Bible would acknowledge the fact that Christ set aside Peter with a unique position of leadership and authority amongst the Apostles.:
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” -- Matthew 16:18-19.
Christ later extends the power of binding and loosing the other Apostles (Matthew 18:18),
You might also note that Christ deliberately changed Simon's name to "Peter" (which means "rock" in Koine Greek ):
"He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas (which means Peter)" -- John 1:42.
Peter is also referred to as Cephas, in Paul's epistles. Cephas is a transliteration of the original Aramaic word "kepha".
The only time where we encounter God (Jesus) changing a name in the New
Testament is in the case of Peter -- only Peter and no one else. Whenever God changes someone's name, in the Old Testament, it is a specific indicator that the individual has a new role to play, and a harbinger of momentous events in the Economy of Salvation (e.g. Abraham and Sarah).
Cheers,
John
His authority was given to Apostles and Bishops were authorized by Apostles and Peter was the chief Apostle and was the Bishop of Rome. The Church was operated from Rome so the Bishop of Rome is the “papa” of the Church. Just like Moses was a father and was head of Gods people....Peter became the head. Pope means papa.
You said not to put words in God’s mouth but nobody is doing that. We have the records showing what happened. Furthermore...we do many things that Jesus didn’t say verbatim. How about praying to Jesus or the Holy Spirit? He never said to...but we do. Ever think of that?
What name? IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH. You have been given this information at least a dozen times now, and all you can do in response is vainly repeat yourself like a broken record.
The authority of the catholic church? what authority? As far as I know and I bet all Christ believers admit that only God has the authority, the ultimate authority. A church is only an organization of a group of Christ believers. The more 'sophisticated' a theology, the more it brings to theory only, not making people get to know God or come closer to Him and sense His love, power and law.
innerbeauty What authority? The one who has the keys to heaven!! Mt. 16, 18!!! Jesus gave to Simon a new name, Peter, which means rock, and gave him the keys, that is authority!
Thank GOD i read the bible on my own in 1996 n was astounded that the 💒 of rome doctrines, esp its sacraments, were not bible n I Came out with many many many bros n Came Home to CHRIST n JESUS Alone in Protestant Holy Bible Based Churches👏👏👏👏👏
(2) have to answer for anything as it was God in the person of Jesus Christ Who established the church. The wrong doers who have infiltrated the church since the earliest of times are the ones who will be held accountable. Jesus said of the church, "The gates of hell will never hold out against it", and of course He was right. The church has withstood many onslaughts throughout the centuries, not the least of which was the so called reformation and still it emerged as strong as ever and will