What SUCKS About the Catholic Church - And Why Be Catholic Still! (w/ Dr. Larry Chapp)
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- In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by the indefectible Dr. Larry Chapp to talk about the heart of what draws Catholic converts into the Catholic Church - the truth, beauty, and goodness - and what sucks when those things don't seem to exist in the way they ought to in day-to-day, on-the-ground Catholicism.
With Dr. Chapp's trademark clear-eyed perspective, we talk about divisions in the Church, what happens when the truth of Catholicism is tested against fringe ideas on the left and the right, and what to make of those in places of authority who seem to speak out of both sides of their mouths. We tackle the beauty of the liturgy, the problematic nature of some Latin Mass communities, and the trouble with suppressing something beautiful without encouraging anything to grow in its place. And, finally, we talk about the goodness of Catholicism - and what happens when it fails to live up to its own standard.
With respect, poignancy, and a good helping of Dr. Chapp's no-holds-barred straight shooting, we have an absolutely fantastic conversation about those things that are drawing in Catholic converts, what sucks when they fail to live up to expectations, and why y'all should be Catholic anyhow.
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This is an interesting look as someone joining the Catholic Church fully( been going since I was a kid but never was serious and never told how to join the fell away). I kinda look at it from my navy background. The upper chain of command is always a bit disconnected, but we stick together and get the job done. Just we stick together for Jesus's sake no matter what rocks the boat.
Congratulations for your good job, I never thougt to SEE You both together , greetings from Peru. May Jesus bless You more.
Thank you very much!
Great interview! Thanks Dr. Chapp for continuing to bring Dorothy Day's life, thought, and action into the Church.
Absolutely!
Thank you gentlemen, as a relatively new convert as a senior citizen, I understand all you speak of .. the expectations vs the reality and how it affects us .
Your conversation helped me , a lot .
Eyes on Christ Jesus . I trust in Him . Grateful to have been called home , out of the Protestant world . ❤
I pray for this Pope , who sows much confusion . I fear for his soul I guess ... however he holds the Chair of St . Peter .. I respect that .
God the Father knows what we are going through, I trust His Will and purpose.
I was most definitely seeking that more ... the Lord brought me into that more , thanks be to God !❤❤❤
I’m so glad this was helpful! Thank you for watching!
How tragic for you. I pray that the eyes of your heart will be opened that you can see beyond this false doctrine. How tragic for those who love you to watch this.
@@vickihogan8207 So you have the True Doctrine? Is that your infallible proclamation based on your personal Magisterium.
@@PalermoTrapani anything man touches becomes fallible. Including yours.
@@vickihogan8207 So Ok, lets see if we can be civil here. I am a Catholic in full transparency.
You belong to what, I assume, protestant ecclesial community?
This was an insightful and helpful conversation. Thank you😊
Thanks for watching!
Been a fan of Dr. Chapp for awhile now. He kind of echoes my own views on a lot of things (even our shared opinion on Pope Francis). I particularly agree with one of the earlier points, Christ first, Christus Primus, that should be our guiding principle always.
Amen!🙏
What a wonderful talk I so appreciate this conversation God bless you both!! 🙏🙏
Thank you!
Great interview! Larry's insights are always refreshing.
Indeed!
This was a brilliant conversation, although honestly, it was a bit depressing. I didn't come into the Catholic Church for any other reason other than I felt strongly the pull of the Holy Spirit to go to a mass and then to keep going. I knew nothing of Catholicism, nor any Catholics. Once in RCIA I loved learning everything I could. Becoming Catholic is a license for a lifetime of learning. But understand that regardless of why you come to the church, it's on you to make the most of your time. It's not up to the liturgy, or the priest, the magisterium or any other person, doctrine or thing. Live your faith with the Eucharist as the source and summit and the rest of the foolishness melts away.
The whole point of the Mass is to praise God.
It doesn't praise God. It re-crucifies Him. The papacy is pure evil.
It makes so much sense, Jesus saying I am the vine and you are the branches, abide in ME and I in you, God the father will prune the branches that will not bear fruit.
Great interview. Many thanks.
Our pleasure!
I like the simplicity of the novus order, though a lot of catholics don’t seem to like singing, compared with my exp in protestant worship, so that’s a bummer for me. I’ve worshipped with a reformed presbyterian church that is exclusively psalm signing, no instruments, just human voices joining together, very lovely, prayerful, and theological.
Well I will say something about singing. I attend a Catholic Parish using the 1970 Missal, well 2 parishes that attend. Both have priests ordained say in last 12 years and celebrate the Mass very reverently. I find that classical Catholic Liturgical Hymns almost instinctively get people to sing. When there is a cantor that uses 1970's and 1980's hymns like Marty Haugen Gather us in, etc, I just don't sing it. Now, not that those hymns are unorthodox, they are not, just bad Liturgical Songs.
@@PalermoTrapani Love this comment I read elsewhere: I passionately dislike all music composed for the Novus Ordo without exception. Nothing edifying exists in that repertoire whatsoever. Could you imagine St. Pius X or St. John Vianney humming along to Marty Haugen?
@@littlerock5256 No, Marty Haugen songs are more appropriate for sitting at a camp fire and roasting hot dogs and marshmallows. Again the songs are not heretical, I want to say that, but in my view, just bad, bad, Liturgical music.
I like NO Mass too.. BUT what really messes up most all Mass’ is the folksy guitar type music. A Novus Ordo Mass with chant would mean so much more.
I went to my son’s church and it was like a pep talk with a concert. Not my kinda church. It was a shock to the system. I grew up in the Latin Mass, then the English Mass, then no Mass, I just got married, sidetracked and didn’t go back for years. I do not sing, I can’t hold a tune so singing is thing I am after. I’d rather hear more of the gospel.
TLM is not suppressed as much as one might think-. FSSP and ICCK have been given the full blessing by our holy father and continue to expand. Talk to your local Bishop about inviting them to work out of your diocese… that’s a great way to have either of these two groups operate locally. Need to get a bunch of people together and work with your diocese.
Our diocese has only increased in TLM times and attendance.. we went from a three Masses a week (Tues, Friday, and Sun) to every day of the week. We had one TLM Priest to two. This is in St Martinville La. And this is at the diocese level- so in our case, TLM is definitely not suppressed
You’re totally right. Ironically, in the pope’s own diocese the TLM is thriving too.
@dsonyay
Definitely depends on the Bishop...
But, if more than 3 people ask for it to be more accessible in the diocese the request actually gets bumped up above your Bishop.
@@TheCordialCatholicDo you have data on that? I was in Rome during Easter and it was amazing but it was basically just 1 church the Trinita dei Pellegrini and the Celso e Giuliano of the Institute which is a smaller church. Could not find any diocesan TLM though, these were apparently suppressed after TC.
Yep, the TLM is available in my diocese as well. However, the novus ordo liturgy at my parish is breathtaking. Our priest recently installed a kneeler for those wanting to receive on the tongue. I would estimate 80% of the laity are receiving kneeling, on the tongue. We use only the organ, very occasionally the piano. There are bells and there is extensive use of Gregorian chant. We have professional cantors and a beautiful choir that works their tails off to be a blessing. We end each mass with a Marian anthem. One of the parishioners who retired wealthy, just built a new priest house in the back of the parish property at no cost to the diocese. The parish just paid cash for a new administration and classroom building. Our ministries are thriving, retreats are full, and it all turned around with the arrival of a priest who emphasized liturgy and the beauty of the mass.
Thank you
I wish the bishops were willing to correct. The words of PF have attacked the very deepest, central meaning, mission, and purpose of the Body of Christ. This CANNOT be a simple non magisterial version to be ignored. His words must be confronted.
Good interview. Thank you. I think Pope Francis’ pathway challenges all of us to growth. We need to reflect more deeply on developing pastoral skills … we need to soften our approach to evangelization in the sense of the ‘how to’ admit, respond and be more proactive to ‘complex sin’ cases. Should a priest refuse or withhold blessings in a generic sense? No. We know the grace from any blessing belongs to Jesus who is in our midst and administers this grace. Jesus knows the persons involved and how to manage the intended graces. We need to acknowledge the presence of Jesus. It is or ought to be self-evident that sin is never blessed. I disagree, however, on the discussion on complaints against Pope Francis on liturgy. Pope Francis, it is clear, has nothing against the Latin Mass. The issue is disciplinary action against an aggressive loud minority who attempt to suggest that the Novus Ordo has no place in the celebration of the Eucharist … this, of course is not true. As there are different choirs of angel so there are different expressions of prayer and devotion along the ‘narrow path’. We should be celebrating this diversity within the Church.
Pope Francis is always talking about being more pastoral to his priests, bishops and cardinals now than being theocratic. Just like Jesus talking with tax collectors, dining with sinners , the pharisees despised Jesus for doing that. Now, we see Pope Francis smiling and talking to the gay priest, smiling at him like condoning his behavior. We truly do not know what is in Pope Francis' mind/ heart, only God knows. Thanks God, it is part of our Eucharistic celebrations to pray for our pope and leaders of the church. I came to realize that I truly do not know our pope, I do not know his mind/heart only God knows however I trust in our LORD JESUS words that the netherworld will never over run the Catholic church. Pope Francis might be a saint in the making, who knows, only God knows. As long as I receive the 7 sacraments that leads me to Christ and to heaven, I will not think so much of the hierarchy of the church. God said, shine where you are that is your most important role in life.
Jesus was meek, kind and inviting, but he never diluted or compromised his message, he was direct and very specific and did not waiver with soft feelings, he was firm.
Truth, love, conviction , REPENTANCE was key with his absolution or cure, then a firm command… too sin no more!
The authentic Traditional Catholic Church is not easily followed, because it is of Jesus Christ.
Merely reading the Bible will not save you. Merely thinking about the Commandments, the 7deadly sins and listing your own sins does not absolve you of your sins. Thinking about the Mass does not get you inside the church to receive the Eucharist. You must follow Jesus the way he told us he wished us to follow him.
Then act, do, work, walk the walk, in his direction.
By the Sacraments not just reading the Word.
The Bible did not tell the lay person everything… the Apostles were told so much more in private…read
Mark 4:34 + John14:26, Hebrews 10:9 + 12:9, Matt.5:16 + 16:27.
Funny and wise 😄
Thanks for watching!
Never thought i would hear such honesty. On most channels everything is perfect in Rome, (except the pope LoL)
One thing Larry didn't mention about the pre-V2 Mass was that us alter boys and not the congregation would give the Latin responses and prayers, but not the Greek Kyrie. We said the confidior and the Creed all in Latin. Although I think everyone said the "Our Father" . But with the change, there was nothing to learn anymore as to prayers. It was as though we lost half our purpose.
But now as an Evangelical, the important thing for me is one's view of scripture. That is what holds us together. Is the scripture authoritative? Is it the word of God or does it contain the word of God? Is the whole of it the inspired or exhaled word of God?
This separates true believers from those who are subject to every wind of doctrine. I knew priests who believed in reincarnation for example. Few actually had this high view of scripture which I believe is related to the fear of God.
O, the bliss of ignorance!
Today, Sept. 14, 2024, Bergoglio has officially said all religions are equally good. Do we still think Bergoglio is not a heretic?
Ok, so JPII and Benedict 16 were acceptable, even though I always preferred Archbishop Lefebvre’s way of doing things. But after Vatican II the next 2 popes at least were much loved.
But Bergoglio is unbearable. Totally unbearable. And after what he said today, we know he’s a heretic and now we must take steps.
Amazing how you have twisted his words. All religions equally good? Really? Your father is the devil.
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What does it matter what language the Mass is in? There should be outrage about how children were treated historically and how women are still disrespected.
Do you discuss the problematic nature of some NO communities? Quo primum
Oh no, lots of problems there too.
Romans 1:16-17 KJV For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith...
I mean he’s taught blatant heresy now