Wind is overlooked often when it comes to these performance tests! Even on a 7% around 15 minute climb that I test myself around here, with the exact same bike and equipment, I could have identical power numbers up it 2 different efforts and be 20 seconds off of each other.
Loving seeing you on my local routes - you're currently 5th on my every day hill - Shaley Brow (on Crank Road) - think you can take the KOM? Would love to see a video showing just how hard you need to push to start getting into the top 10s.
Thanks for your honest opinions. Lots of brands trying to sell their products which has small or no benefits for huge amounts. But as you said the most effective and the real way is being fitter. You have gained a subscriber bdw. Thanks.
Good test with wheelsets the same weight. Real world racing with all the variables like drafting, tactics gets rid of most of the differences of bike performance unless one is one of the few strong enough to ride away from the peloton solo.
The power + position difference between runs only needs to be 2% to give 30 second error. EBikes with rim base power meter to confirm stable power input seems like a good improvement.
It would be wind direction rather wind speed. What many fail to realise is the sail effect works in both directions. One day it might actually help you out. But on other days it will literally push you backwards. You may have also felt uncomfortable with the way they handled. You alluded to this. I own both roval rapid clx and the alpinist clx. I much prefer the alpinist and there is bugger all differences in my times. Well with margins of error and tired none preforming days. What I do find is when I only owned the rapids I was looking at the weather a lot more, anything over 14-15mph stead wind 25-30mph gusts was plain dangerous with open farmland round here. Best bang for buck upgrade is tiers and the biggest (within reason) you can fit within the frame you will notice much more. Then Clothing wheel very much fall within the marginal gains territory especially once you go above 30mm in depth. Heck if silca are to be belived I can gain back the difference in watts by buy socks
What model of bike. Looks dope specially the handle bars. I'm actually considering ribble now for my new bike just from this video but I have to do more research.
Peak torque has done some really interesting video on aero wheel testing, one thing that seems to be key is the tyre to rim interface being as smooth a transition as possible. I own 35 and 50mm wheels and it’s the 35 I prefer riding, the 50s are faster in the right conditions but the 35s are just better all round, they never feel twitchy and are lighter too. I reckon 35-40 is the Sweetspot.
this is the reason my first upgrade I'm leaning to lighter wheels. You're putting out 300W and not seeing a huge difference, I only put out 100W average in an area that's mostly climbing. Aero might help me on descent but I'm not putting out many watts to overcome aerodynamic drag at that point.
Great video Cam as been thinking about a new wheelset .. 80mm is *very* deep so my gut would be 50/55 and not have so much air disruption. 100% agree just get fitter and drop the watts 💥
Getting faster by getting fitter is better all around and it is basically free. If you don’t put the effort in, there is zero difference in what bike and what wheels you have. Those myths are invented by middle aged doctors and bankers who need to justify a 10-20k bikes they don’t need nor can properly use.
There's a huge difference. Let's say you're gifted but don't put in the work. The right equipment can easily mean getting away from a small breakaway to just rolling through in the back of the bunch sprint. This was also 15 seconds over a relatively short distance
How many 10-20k bikes have you ridden? 😅 difference in equipment is huge at same fitness level. Though it gets narrower at the top end but between a 2000 Euro bike and a 10k Euro bike everybody feels a significant difference and improvement.
For some reason last year I was racing on my training wheels. Mavic kysrium's but this year I went to some tubeless Reynolds AR58 and in a standard road race I can average 20w less which gives me more energy for the sprint or trying to get into breakaways. I'm super close to obtaining my first cat licence now.
Maybe or maybe you're better at positioning or staying closer to the wheels. Another thing that can reduce average power I've noticed, if you have better 10 second power from being fitter you can close gaps more quickly so the average goes down. Or it maybe the wheels. You should do your own test to see, it'd be super interesting.
1% faster is nearly 15 seconds. Just shows you that with the same weight wheelset, box rim vs 80mm, the performance difference is so minimal its hard to measure, especially when your power is flucuating by nearly 1% and position is likly chaning.
Once again cam, solar power saving us money £256 a pair , I’ll keep my Oakley’s for now. When will this industry wake up, if they can charge this much you’d think they would look sleek, nah….
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Wind is overlooked often when it comes to these performance tests! Even on a 7% around 15 minute climb that I test myself around here, with the exact same bike and equipment, I could have identical power numbers up it 2 different efforts and be 20 seconds off of each other.
most influencers try to prove that expensive gear is faster. i experienced the same as you. there is a lot of expensive bullshit floating around.
Loving seeing you on my local routes - you're currently 5th on my every day hill - Shaley Brow (on Crank Road) - think you can take the KOM? Would love to see a video showing just how hard you need to push to start getting into the top 10s.
Thanks for your honest opinions. Lots of brands trying to sell their products which has small or no benefits for huge amounts. But as you said the most effective and the real way is being fitter. You have gained a subscriber bdw. Thanks.
Good test with wheelsets the same weight. Real world racing with all the variables like drafting, tactics gets rid of most of the differences of bike performance unless one is one of the few strong enough to ride away from the peloton solo.
With all these tests I fear that one random light windgust will make it unreliable.
Do it indoors on a track with several runs.
The power + position difference between runs only needs to be 2% to give 30 second error. EBikes with rim base power meter to confirm stable power input seems like a good improvement.
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It would be wind direction rather wind speed. What many fail to realise is the sail effect works in both directions. One day it might actually help you out. But on other days it will literally push you backwards. You may have also felt uncomfortable with the way they handled. You alluded to this. I own both roval rapid clx and the alpinist clx. I much prefer the alpinist and there is bugger all differences in my times. Well with margins of error and tired none preforming days. What I do find is when I only owned the rapids I was looking at the weather a lot more, anything over 14-15mph stead wind 25-30mph gusts was plain dangerous with open farmland round here. Best bang for buck upgrade is tiers and the biggest (within reason) you can fit within the frame you will notice much more. Then Clothing wheel very much fall within the marginal gains territory especially once you go above 30mm in depth.
Heck if silca are to be belived I can gain back the difference in watts by buy socks
Those sunglasses are $357.44 US, I don't think so.
honest verdict cam😉 wheel upgrade will never replace putting the miles in & getting the strength to weight sorted 🚴👍
Those glasses are actually amazing. I have a Transitions shield on a motorcycle helmet and it’s laggy af.
What model of bike. Looks dope specially the handle bars. I'm actually considering ribble now for my new bike just from this video but I have to do more research.
Peak torque has done some really interesting video on aero wheel testing, one thing that seems to be key is the tyre to rim interface being as smooth a transition as possible.
I own 35 and 50mm wheels and it’s the 35 I prefer riding, the 50s are faster in the right conditions but the 35s are just better all round, they never feel twitchy and are lighter too. I reckon 35-40 is the Sweetspot.
this is the reason my first upgrade I'm leaning to lighter wheels. You're putting out 300W and not seeing a huge difference, I only put out 100W average in an area that's mostly climbing. Aero might help me on descent but I'm not putting out many watts to overcome aerodynamic drag at that point.
Great video Cam as been thinking about a new wheelset .. 80mm is *very* deep so my gut would be 50/55 and not have so much air disruption. 100% agree just get fitter and drop the watts 💥
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Screw training and getting fitter.
Getting faster by getting fitter is better all around and it is basically free. If you don’t put the effort in, there is zero difference in what bike and what wheels you have. Those myths are invented by middle aged doctors and bankers who need to justify a 10-20k bikes they don’t need nor can properly use.
Ah actually there is a difference. the effect of two different wheels with the same level of fitness is noticeable.
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There's a huge difference. Let's say you're gifted but don't put in the work. The right equipment can easily mean getting away from a small breakaway to just rolling through in the back of the bunch sprint.
This was also 15 seconds over a relatively short distance
How many 10-20k bikes have you ridden? 😅 difference in equipment is huge at same fitness level. Though it gets narrower at the top end but between a 2000 Euro bike and a 10k Euro bike everybody feels a significant difference and improvement.
I’ve tried this but ultimately gave up. I got a pair of sweet Shimano Ultegra c60 wheels. I’ve never been faster.
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For some reason last year I was racing on my training wheels. Mavic kysrium's but this year I went to some tubeless Reynolds AR58 and in a standard road race I can average 20w less which gives me more energy for the sprint or trying to get into breakaways. I'm super close to obtaining my first cat licence now.
Maybe or maybe you're better at positioning or staying closer to the wheels. Another thing that can reduce average power I've noticed, if you have better 10 second power from being fitter you can close gaps more quickly so the average goes down. Or it maybe the wheels. You should do your own test to see, it'd be super interesting.
You want to be careful your not shut down by the big bike brands. 😂
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350 eu for a pair of sunnies dammmn no thnx ill pass and wait for my photocromic to do the trick in like a minute
1% faster is nearly 15 seconds. Just shows you that with the same weight wheelset, box rim vs 80mm, the performance difference is so minimal its hard to measure, especially when your power is flucuating by nearly 1% and position is likly chaning.
You haven't raced much if you think 15seconds isn't a big deal
@@veganpotterthevegan its within the margin of error or measurement in this case. Thats why you saw 1 wheelset be faster & slower in the same scenario
@@Mike0 yeah, with variable outdoor testing on ONE of his tests. It's not within the margin of error in practice though
@Mike0 the crazy thing is that aero wheels are even faster on a trainer. You science deniers are hilarious
tires the same?
Junk integrated cockpits and optimise the position with narrower bars and more turned in hoods…far more bang for buck than high zoot wheels.
It's the conclusion not that Halo make rubbish wheels? Whenever I get deeper wheels I go faster, quite a bit faster.
So there are no actual reasons for buying an aero heelset.
Maybe the most high tech sunglasses but damn they do look horrible IMO 😅
Once again cam, solar power saving us money £256 a pair , I’ll keep my Oakley’s for now. When will this industry wake up, if they can charge this much you’d think they would look sleek, nah….
"Shocking results" by getting known quantifiable gains that have been common knowledge for many years😅
I don't like those glasses. That's a big NO.