the problem is since all of this is E-bicycle, it speed control limited it Amps so desprite it have alot of Watt, it can't be fast with low Amps and Voltage.
The electric motor in the ebike has massive torque at start up. Even a simple 1000W BBSHD mid drive has ~160 Nm of torque at 0 rpm. A 5000W mid drive would be insane and full throttle on it would do instant wheelie and get out of control. A gas bike has to convert the gas into usable energy first and it's a very slow process compared to electricity.
RadRover by radpowerbike has been the best thing that I've purchased in a looooooong time. Best bang for buck period. I researched for months before I made my decision. I went through a hilly 11 miles today and the battery dropped 1 of 5 bars. I'm 5'6" weighing 190lbs and losing. Im also a cardiac patient recently. I found my perfect fit with Rad Rover. The PAS is as timid or wild as you want it. 0%apr and I was in. I put 67 miles since Wednesday afternoon went I unboxed it. I have a Thudbuster ST on it's way. My rear is tender after today, I can't wait for it.... I got ebike fever and it's all over now. I watched this video as part of my research for general education that I didn't have on wattage options. Thanks!
Interesting comparison but you should not draw conclusion on what to buy from this... for example price comes into it...then range with the battery...and then..once the battery has drained..how easy is the bike to pedal back home without any electrical assistance?
Many of us have to toss it all away and get a gasoline bike motor, then it's more of a guarantee, the ONLY issue is noise, it's not the guy that makes electric bikes going to get rich....he can only sell to money go getters that have extra anyway. The real serious thing anyone can do right is a quiet gasoline motor....some spin your tire and other's attach to your chain, all are superior to electric. I just want to make it uphills, can coast down any hill since I'm on wheels. For flat land there's a constant job of not running into people in the city, I would prefer to pedal, but if I'm out in the desert a noisy motor is not so bad since hardly anyone else around. Electric is tempting thinking about city streets or animal populated trails but that's kind of over now since the radiation and chemtrails has really killed most of them, survivors are on reservations. The real problem is bikes probably need AAA towing insurance to get back home and they are not working with homemade vehicles....So insurance would depend on private solutions.....Without enough money to call a tow truck it's take the motor off and carry it and put the bike on the bus and all that.
First I wanted to argue, that you could do most trips on an electric bike, range wise, that you would want to do on a bike, even with hills and so on. But then I read chemtrails and thought, why reason with a chemtrails person?
+ouivalerie wow. ignorant much? my ebike would smoke any gas powered one you could possibly come up with. it also costs a lot less to run and requires no maintenance. range on ebikes can be 100miles easy and depending on chemistry there are cells that can charge in 6min from empty to full.
Sgt Schmo here; So exceeding the speed limit in a 35mph zone. It's all on video. Your tickets will arrive shortly in the mail. Bribes are not out of the question and preferred.
What about local laws? I am new to this and am of the understanding that 750watts is the limit just about everywhere. That being said, do you ever get pulled over / ticketed riding 50 mph? In my state 20 mph is the limit for ebikes. I'm sure I could get away with popping over that a smidge here and there, but I think doing 45 or 50 would get me in trouble pretty quickly. I don't even know the consequences. Do they impound the bike? Do you get licensed and insured for those?
well, in my state the watt limit is 500, and you probably would get pulled over riding 50, and you probably would get a ticket. 20mph is the limit in my state too, and yeah 45-50 is wayyy quicker than the limit. just do like 35ish max. idk if they impound them, and if it's a legal ebike, you dont need to insure them or have a license.
I think you need a much longer ride. Say 2 miles (not all on the flat). To really assess the practical benefits of the bike. Personally I really liked the trike. What's it's range?
The tires do plenty. I have one custom built and it sags a bit yeah, but it's not too bad at 10p with 5a cells. I'm overdrawing the pack on pulls and it doesn't even get warm. If you run it on 10a cells, the damn thing nearly throws you on your ass. Will do rolling burnouts and can even keep up with 125cc motorcycles to about 50. I get plenty of range as long as I don't hammer it.
@@tmonster1498 The trouble is that EBikes need a decent amount of power and range. 80-100 miles on one charge while holding 30 MPH would be fantastic. Every EBike I have seen is lacking in one of those.
I’ve been wanting an electric bike since 2016 I’m going to be 60 this September so doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen for me so you guys go out there and have fun for me please thank you for sharing your awesome videos best Wooodoggy and Cheers
Phucking awesome comparison!!! I think a 35Km/h E-Bike or e-motor adaptation is enough for having enough fun. Mine is a 250W and it's really fun, I use it every day for going to work 7 Km downhill and after uphill, the rear wheel e-motor assistance feels really nice!
500 watts is the best performance you can get without a license in most places. I think they don't sell them because that makes ebikes convenient and affordable. Their prices are also wayy too high. We all know there's an agenda to make electric vehicles less attractive.
i build an ebike with 250w hub motor and a 350w 36v controller and it can be 35 km/h fast. So it is more about the set up than the wattage of the motor. the cost was under 85$ at all. using old laptop battery. got a range of 40km with one charge. and the bike is an old female bike which is quite heavy.
Electric cycle is the future! .. :) ...i combinate too. It focuses more on driving without distance and without the need to recharge the batteries. It's like driving a car without refueling.
Should compare with a 50cc, four stroke, low budget motorcycle....theres no practical use for high cost electric bikes. Who will spend 5000 + DOLLARS to ride a bike and park on the street? The main problem is still to come...how long these batteries last? How many years of service? Whats the mileage cost? Rain, sun and time. You can buy a motorcycle and a bicycle just with the cost of the battery from the top bike tested. Critics apart, it was a nice test and a liked better the three wheel.
My friend distributes TGB Scooters for the US, and he says there is virtually no market in California for them (the most recent wave of TGB are only 49.3cc two-strokes, no 150cc bikes yet). The difference seems to be licensing--it seems that one needs a full motorcycle license to ride anything in Cal. which is not a motorized bicycle (motorized meaning electric or gas; I am not sure what the true 49cc moped sold by SSR Motorsports falls under). The TGB is a known item as far as what to expect and what needs to be maintained for years to come (based on years of data from when these came to our shores in 2004 under a different distributor). My friend can distribute lower cost Chinese scooters from other companies, such as Taotao. Funny thing is, for about the same money (whole-sale-ish that my friend could get them for me), Taotao has electric bikes spec'd at 250w, or one of their basic 49cc scooters. Retail (mail-order) I have seen the electric bikes advertised for more than their 49cc street scooter. Your comment reminded me of that!
Dispatcher: "911 what's your emergency?" Dick Neighbor: "Umm I think it's an emergency but we have two guys racing on the street....???" Dispatcher: "What type of vehicle sir?" Neighbor: "Umm...they're on some modified BICYCLE?" Dispatcher: "A BICYCLE SIR???" Neighbor: "bicycleS" Dispatcher: "And how far are these bicycleS going, sir?" Neighbor: "Umm......they're doing it again and umm..........they're going.....going...." Dispatcher: "Are they endangering your life, sir?" Neighbor: "Hold on...okay, they are racing about a block in about 20-30 seconds..." Dispatcher: "And you want me to send one of our officers????" Neighbor: "If you want to???"
Speed vary from controller power. The same motor could be loaded with different voltage and amperage and this change its dynamic. So this video just telling about bike models overall implementation, but not about motors.
Having riders of different weights makes your comparison a nonsense... how hard would it have been for the lighter rider to wear a backpack with ballast in it.
@@deuntaemosley4972 just noticed your comment..... well this was for fun and he wasn't wearing anything to weigh him down. hater for sure Update I thought this comment was from a different video. My mistake 😂
@@TheMightyMackerelsFishingCrew He isn't a hater he just knows how a "comparison" works. You are supposed keep everything the same bar the specific thing you are testing to make it a fair "comparison"
@@AndrewWhitham lol I actually agree with you. When the comment came in on my TH-cam channel I thought it was referring to my video that I had up on electric bikes not this one, that I randomly commented on. So my comment above wast meant for this post.... My mistake. 😂. I have a video of a electric razor dirt bike beating a honda ruckus. Haha sorry for the confusion
I would have asked you to show the bikes running properly in a less built up area. It gives a better idea of how fast they can be then . Excellent machines.
Great to see a side by side like this. However the huge difference in rider weights throws the whole thing off. Should have added 30 lbs of weight to light rider for a fair run.
I would like to see a 250, 350, 500, 750, 1000 watt comparison... but with similar style bikes. Also comparing prebuilt bikes with DIY bikes of same power would be useful. This would make more sense to consumers. Not many people will be buying a 2000 or higher wattage bike... or bikes that cost more than a new motorcycle.
You state the Kraken is best for Sand and Snow, but that is only due to its Fat Tires. In fact its low end acceleration shows it to be a real Dog at lower start up speeds, and it only comes on later to show a the higher top end performance. And, as a HUB motor there is nothing you can do to change that with different gearing, unless you go to a freaking 20" tire in back. Where as with a Mid Drive you can choose which main front sprocket you want, plus choose rear sprocket sizes for a greater performance range. But the Fat tire with Front Suspension is definately the best way to go overall!
I had no choice BUT to shop for the SALE PRICE, but guess what? got 2 great fat tire e bikes for less than $2000 from AMAZON! both fast 500W with 48V batteries but one is 26" and the other 20". Love the hell out of them in town or ON THE BEACH!!!!!!!
Yeah, your choice might be for something specific, like racing or rough terrain, personally I go for economy, just getting from A to B and convenience, that's why I have a kwikfold, it's no formula one that's for sure, but it can manage 20mph on level roads with a 25 mile range, though I have added an extra battery to extend that range to about 30 miles.
What happened to the Wolverine BM, 7000W bike that is suppose to do 70 MPH, they were bragging about in the video previous to this one. It is also made by Hi Power Cycles.
So from this test it makes sense to get a 250W as the weight difference of the bikes is huge and through traffic and city riding it is far cheaper to run a 250w and easier to pedal when your battery is low .
yeh but.......the 750 watt is a direct drive instead of gear reduction, that would make a little difference. and there was no mention of voltage's used. and why turn the kraken down?
In future videos, it would be nice to have the speed in km/h as well. I have no idea how fast these bikes were going. Most people outside the US won't either.
The UK is still using MPH, however we have the intelect to convert in our heads because we travel to other parts of the world and learn both systems in school (we did until the 90's anyway)
+Don O (DONON) Agree, Bafang mid drive motor beats the shit out of a hub based motor for most applications. More torque, efficiency and near silent. Once you go mid drive you can never go back.
Mid drives are more economic as they pull the chain . Also less stress on the wheels for this reason . Rear drive has the most torque of all Ebikes and front drive sucks . Don't forget that the more powerful bikes are illegal without full licence . Here in the UK the legal limit is 250W and i in the US it's 750W which is why both my bikes have limiters .
this don't tell you how long battery stays charged up or how long you have to charge it up and also how stipulated of hills you can go up peddling or on motor thanks
Good comparison test, but all is useless without self recharging battery, I suggest you use alternator or energy generator, converting mechanic energy to electric energy, recycle power
it would have been nice to have more specs about each bike... for instance what type of batteries were in them, lithium ion, lipo? their Amps and Amp/h too, and also the controler, how many amps can it send to the motor.... those are very important specs to have when you then want to figure out "what makes the difference"...
I was mildly interested in these electric bikes when I saw the Rambo ebike at a gun store. The more I learn, the more disappointing the technology is at this time. The range needs to be at least 40 miles including hunting gear and a light weight trailer with numerous hill climbs for the hunting use case. Then it has to be recharged when you are 50 miles from anything in the sticks.... For the price of the Kraken nicely equipped, you could buy a Polaris Ranger or RZR900....
agreed ... speed is only 1/2 the battle. 60mph for 10 miles does not compare to 20mph for 20 miles ... especially when your trip is about 7 or 8 miles one direction. BUT then, what about the trike and the way a trike lends itself to reduced drag and potential streamlining? In Ohio, there's the danger that the 1000 watt bike you buy today, might become a motorcycle tomorrow.
Here's what I'd like to see is turning a can am spyder with a 100 mile range full electric plug in with a range extender powered trailer pusher engine to push and recharge bike. In Australia push bikes in any configuration aren't allowed on the freeways 100 plus km/h zones
I just bought a RadWagon they sell it stating 750 watt motor; it says 500 watt on the shell casing. Radpower assured me that it is a 750 in a 500 watt shell? Heard of anything like this?
+quosmo1 or they're trying to fool the grumpy police out there who'd ticket you for riding a 750W bike on the road, assuming 500W is legal where you are. Only way to know is to test it, or multiply voltage x max current from the specs.
The trike prob feels fast af too being low to the ground. Thing is, you can definitely build a bike with a kit and a few additional parts for a fraction of the cost. It would be uber competitive against these high priced builds as well.
So a 750 for every day use and a 2000 for a bit of off fast road/go faster if thats your style. Everything else is too slow or a bit pointless for the average person?
FYI: Rider weight has very little effect on top speed, it has a huge effect on acceleration but very very little on top speed. And considering that all of these "tests" were basically acceleration tests then the rider size would/should have an effect. Find some place where you can hit a sustained top speed, and then swap riders, you'll be amazed.
It needs to be said, most of the e-bikes in this video are NOT street legal. If you are looking to get ebikes banned, this how you do it. These are electric motorcycles, which would require dot lights, a motorcycle endorsement, registration insurance & a dot helmet in most states to operate on public roads. Get caught ripping down a bike or multi-use non-motorized path and your looking at a big ticket. Operator beware! They look like a blast, but the distinction needs to be made.
I just posted above replying to another comment what I see as hypocrisy on this exact topic. Sit down street legal scooters, even at 49cc and four stroke, are usually (in most states) required to be registered and insured, and the rider licensed with a motorcycle license. Furthermore, riding one is strictly regulated by the road laws, so riding on sidewalks, the wrong direction, running stop signs/red lights, and criss-crossing streets is out of the question. I see this daily in my city--some on bikes with no assist, some on electric bikes, and others on those 2-stroke 80cc kitted bikes (I know I am expanding out beyond electric bikes, but there is a point). The fact of the matter is that the laws' loopholes will be closed, and electric cyclists will see all their fun and games regulated by having riders being required to have licenses, just as one is required to have one for a 49cc sit down scooter.
culcune lol you can't regulate something if it's doesn't make sense it would be like trying to tell a one year old to not explore it's surroundings it does not make sense
In almost all European countries everything above 250 Watts and 25 km/h pedal assist speed is illegal or considered a motorcycle and therefore requires a license plate, drivers license for motorcycles as well as mandatory insurance..... Nice to see what's possible anyways (E-scooters always need a license plate as well as drivers license because they drive on their own, and still are limited to 25 km/h + ebikes are not allowed to accelerate at all on their own, only assist the driver by measuring the torque of the drivers pedal input and increasing that by 1.5)
kyle anderson Yeah and then you'd spend another 10 grand in maintenance, gas, insurance, registration, and emissions within 2 years of ownership. Also, you will not be able to avoid traffic by taking the bike paths.
outcast566 non sense you must be beating the hell out of the car to spend $10,000 in maintenance and fuel. I am don’t spend anymore than $2,000 a year on fuel and I live in Canada where it’s expensive
i wanna buy the moto ped XRZ but how much does it cost? and where can i buy it? i dont wanna pay 6,000 for a bicycle i dont care if its electric or not. some of these things are way over priced they need to cut the prices down they would sell ALOT more bc stubborn people like me just wont pay it. ill wait and wait and wait.....then i might get 1.
The best you can get here is 500 W and 32 mph top speed, and this is already classified as a light motor vehicle. Standard pedelec with all rights like a bike is limited to 250 W, 17 mph and no throttle. This part of living here is really a huge disadvantage, seeing how cool the bikes are you Americans can buy.
About the 1st race, i didn't even realize they were racing 🤣😅 thought that was the longest rolling start ever
😂🥲
I think something is wrong with these bikes, I tried 5000w bike and it was doind spinning burnouts on the start and pushing like 600cc street bike.
A 600 Watt street bike has 100 hp+. A 5000w bike is about 6 hp.
the problem is since all of this is E-bicycle, it speed control limited it Amps so desprite it have alot of Watt, it can't be fast with low Amps and Voltage.
The electric motor in the ebike has massive torque at start up. Even a simple 1000W BBSHD mid drive has ~160 Nm of torque at 0 rpm. A 5000W mid drive would be insane and full throttle on it would do instant wheelie and get out of control. A gas bike has to convert the gas into usable energy first and it's a very slow process compared to electricity.
@@bobwalker5515 the battery discharge is indeed the main aspect of instant speed with a high powered controller to feed it to the motor
@@girlsdrinkfeck72 volt with 30c cells sounds good.
RadRover by radpowerbike has been the best thing that I've purchased in a looooooong time. Best bang for buck period. I researched for months before I made my decision. I went through a hilly 11 miles today and the battery dropped 1 of 5 bars. I'm 5'6" weighing 190lbs and losing. Im also a cardiac patient recently. I found my perfect fit with Rad Rover. The PAS is as timid or wild as you want it. 0%apr and I was in. I put 67 miles since Wednesday afternoon went I unboxed it. I have a Thudbuster ST on it's way. My rear is tender after today, I can't wait for it.... I got ebike fever and it's all over now. I watched this video as part of my research for general education that I didn't have on wattage options. Thanks!
I'd like to see a hill climb test with the same bikes.
kraken would surely win with the additional dual torque
the 250w motor would struggle and thats risk of frying
I have a 250 watts bike! It can't go up small hills. You have to use pedal assist or push it.
Hi ,bro you your question is brilliant
@@michaelnjio how often do you find hills though? Lol
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" ill lean down to be faster!"
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Great informative video! It's very helpful to see the side by side comparisons!
Interesting comparison but you should not draw conclusion on what to buy from this... for example price comes into it...then range with the battery...and then..once the battery has drained..how easy is the bike to pedal back home without any electrical assistance?
Many of us have to toss it all away and get a gasoline bike motor, then it's more of a guarantee, the ONLY issue is noise, it's not the guy that makes electric bikes going to get rich....he can only sell to money go getters that have extra anyway. The real serious thing anyone can do right is a quiet gasoline motor....some spin your tire and other's attach to your chain, all are superior to electric. I just want to make it uphills, can coast down any hill since I'm on wheels. For flat land there's a constant job of not running into people in the city, I would prefer to pedal, but if I'm out in the desert a noisy motor is not so bad since hardly anyone else around. Electric is tempting thinking about city streets or animal populated trails but that's kind of over now since the radiation and chemtrails has really killed most of them, survivors are on reservations. The real problem is bikes probably need AAA towing insurance to get back home and they are not working with homemade vehicles....So insurance would depend on private solutions.....Without enough money to call a tow truck it's take the motor off and carry it and put the bike on the bus and all that.
LOL! RADIATION AND CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First I wanted to argue, that you could do most trips on an electric bike, range wise, that you would want to do on a bike, even with hills and so on. But then I read chemtrails and thought, why reason with a chemtrails person?
+ouivalerie wow. ignorant much? my ebike would smoke any gas powered one you could possibly come up with. it also costs a lot less to run and requires no maintenance. range on ebikes can be 100miles easy and depending on chemistry there are cells that can charge in 6min from empty to full.
Kenneth Beck She mentioned chemtrails, thats equivalent to crazy, not ignorant...
Thanks this was very helpful cause I’m going to get myself a ebike soon
Sgt Schmo here; So exceeding the speed limit in a 35mph zone. It's all on video. Your tickets will arrive shortly in the mail. Bribes are not out of the question and preferred.
What about local laws? I am new to this and am of the understanding that 750watts is the limit just about everywhere. That being said, do you ever get pulled over / ticketed riding 50 mph? In my state 20 mph is the limit for ebikes. I'm sure I could get away with popping over that a smidge here and there, but I think doing 45 or 50 would get me in trouble pretty quickly. I don't even know the consequences. Do they impound the bike? Do you get licensed and insured for those?
well, in my state the watt limit is 500, and you probably would get pulled over riding 50, and you probably would get a ticket. 20mph is the limit in my state too, and yeah 45-50 is wayyy quicker than the limit. just do like 35ish max. idk if they impound them, and if it's a legal ebike, you dont need to insure them or have a license.
I think you need a much longer ride. Say 2 miles (not all on the flat). To really assess the practical benefits of the bike.
Personally I really liked the trike. What's it's range?
Really interesting video. I've had my eye on a 750w bike. I didn't realize the difference would be that great.
Wow. 9KW and no suspension. The voltage sag must be enormous too. How long does the battery last on that Kraken...20 minutes?
The tires do plenty. I have one custom built and it sags a bit yeah, but it's not too bad at 10p with 5a cells. I'm overdrawing the pack on pulls and it doesn't even get warm. If you run it on 10a cells, the damn thing nearly throws you on your ass. Will do rolling burnouts and can even keep up with 125cc motorcycles to about 50. I get plenty of range as long as I don't hammer it.
Chinese girl say: Boy riding Letric bike, big 12 volt, crash in ditch. Had 2 baseball, one ball pop out. Now play with one baseball...
wtf
Awesome video! Why didn't you race the Kraken at 12,000 Watts?
Exactly what I was thinking
#DEATH
12000w is dangerous for an ebike, its fun but youd end up popping wheelies like crazy even if you arent full throttle
@@socialfreak6900 No, not with that heavy motor up front
Because it wasn't working correctly
i think 10 or 14 grand for a bike is way to much only a fool would spent that much lol.
Or people who just have lots of money to burn. Expensive is relative.
It’s only money...I think it’s awesome to have that much power and not need license or plates
@@tmonster1498 The trouble is that EBikes need a decent amount of power and range. 80-100 miles on one charge while holding 30 MPH would be fantastic.
Every EBike I have seen is lacking in one of those.
@@tmonster1498 my bike does 35mph and it cost me £600, so no we dont need to spend 10 grand on a bike
@@girlsdrinkfeck what bike, honestly I need that
Why does my 500w flash seem faster then all these only 1100 i paid and its still running strong to this day bough like 3 years ago
Ray s whats the name brand of your bike ?
I’ve been wanting an electric bike since 2016 I’m going to be 60 this September so doesn’t look like that’s gonna happen for me so you guys go out there and have fun for me please thank you for sharing your awesome videos best Wooodoggy and Cheers
Phucking awesome comparison!!!
I think a 35Km/h E-Bike or e-motor adaptation is enough for having enough fun. Mine is a 250W and it's really fun, I use it every day for going to work 7 Km downhill and after uphill, the rear wheel e-motor assistance feels really nice!
Couldn't you find two riders that weighed the same?
what happened to the 36v 500wat motor
500 watts is the best performance you can get without a license in most places. I think they don't sell them because that makes ebikes convenient and affordable. Their prices are also wayy too high. We all know there's an agenda to make electric vehicles less attractive.
The most silent drag races on the planet!
lol I need the one with the big fat tire's that one is a beast.
that’s about $14K
You should add the price difference too cause that's a huge favor
i build an ebike with 250w hub motor and a 350w 36v controller and it can be 35 km/h fast. So it is more about the set up than the wattage of the motor. the cost was under 85$ at all. using old laptop battery. got a range of 40km with one charge. and the bike is an old female bike which is quite heavy.
I guess you mean "old laptop batterIES" (because each one is around 15V and around 5Ah).
Can you give more info about your project?
that's cap
I loved your presentation.
Good work.
Electric cycle is the future! .. :) ...i combinate too. It focuses more on driving without distance and without the need to recharge the batteries. It's like driving a car without refueling.
This was a really informative & entertaining demo. Especially showing the riders' weight differential impact.👏
The controller and batteries will also determine the speed and power of the bike. But still a pretty good reverence! Thanks for the vid.
Should compare with a 50cc, four stroke, low budget motorcycle....theres no practical use for high cost electric bikes. Who will spend 5000 + DOLLARS to ride a bike and park on the street? The main problem is still to come...how long these batteries last? How many years of service? Whats the mileage cost? Rain, sun and time. You can buy a motorcycle and a bicycle just with the cost of the battery from the top bike tested. Critics apart, it was a nice test and a liked better the three wheel.
My friend distributes TGB Scooters for the US, and he says there is virtually no market in California for them (the most recent wave of TGB are only 49.3cc two-strokes, no 150cc bikes yet). The difference seems to be licensing--it seems that one needs a full motorcycle license to ride anything in Cal. which is not a motorized bicycle (motorized meaning electric or gas; I am not sure what the true 49cc moped sold by SSR Motorsports falls under). The TGB is a known item as far as what to expect and what needs to be maintained for years to come (based on years of data from when these came to our shores in 2004 under a different distributor).
My friend can distribute lower cost Chinese scooters from other companies, such as Taotao. Funny thing is, for about the same money (whole-sale-ish that my friend could get them for me), Taotao has electric bikes spec'd at 250w, or one of their basic 49cc scooters. Retail (mail-order) I have seen the electric bikes advertised for more than their 49cc street scooter. Your comment reminded me of that!
Great 👍 video. Really showed the difference s in bikes.
Dispatcher: "911 what's your emergency?"
Dick Neighbor: "Umm I think it's an emergency but we have two guys racing on the street....???"
Dispatcher: "What type of vehicle sir?"
Neighbor: "Umm...they're on some modified BICYCLE?"
Dispatcher: "A BICYCLE SIR???"
Neighbor: "bicycleS"
Dispatcher: "And how far are these bicycleS going, sir?"
Neighbor: "Umm......they're doing it again and umm..........they're going.....going...."
Dispatcher: "Are they endangering your life, sir?"
Neighbor: "Hold on...okay, they are racing about a block in about 20-30 seconds..."
Dispatcher: "And you want me to send one of our officers????"
Neighbor: "If you want to???"
Speed vary from controller power. The same motor could be loaded with different voltage and amperage and this change its dynamic. So this video just telling about bike models overall implementation, but not about motors.
That's why you get an ebike with progamable speed control. Just research the bike you want.
You can't raise the amperage very much, it can cause the motor to overheat
Having riders of different weights makes your comparison a nonsense... how hard would it have been for the lighter rider to wear a backpack with ballast in it.
hater alert
@@deuntaemosley4972 just noticed your comment..... well this was for fun and he wasn't wearing anything to weigh him down. hater for sure
Update
I thought this comment was from a different video. My mistake 😂
@@TheMightyMackerelsFishingCrew He isn't a hater he just knows how a "comparison" works. You are supposed keep everything the same bar the specific thing you are testing to make it a fair "comparison"
@@AndrewWhitham lol I actually agree with you. When the comment came in on my TH-cam channel I thought it was referring to my video that I had up on electric bikes not this one, that I randomly commented on. So my comment above wast meant for this post.... My mistake. 😂. I have a video of a electric razor dirt bike beating a honda ruckus. Haha sorry for the confusion
I would have asked you to show the bikes running properly in a less built up area. It gives a better idea of how fast they can be then . Excellent machines.
What is sticking out either side of the rear wheel on the trike? Looks like casters - but why?
stability just like how training wheels work
Great to see a side by side like this. However the huge difference in rider weights throws the whole thing off. Should have added 30 lbs of weight to light rider for a fair run.
I would like to see a 250, 350, 500, 750, 1000 watt comparison... but with similar style bikes. Also comparing prebuilt bikes with DIY bikes of same power would be useful. This would make more sense to consumers. Not many people will be buying a 2000 or higher wattage bike... or bikes that cost more than a new motorcycle.
interesting
Imagine wanting to do a fun electric bike drag race with your friends and someone pulls up with the kraken lol
You state the Kraken is best for Sand and Snow, but that is only due to its Fat Tires. In fact its low end acceleration shows it to be a real Dog at lower start up speeds, and it only comes on later to show a the higher top end performance. And, as a HUB motor there is nothing you can do to change that with different gearing, unless you go to a freaking 20" tire in back. Where as with a Mid Drive you can choose which main front sprocket you want, plus choose rear sprocket sizes for a greater performance range. But the Fat tire with Front Suspension is definately the best way to go overall!
I suggest: testing 2 wheel bikes only, with several brands of the same wattage for each test
Thank you so much for showing details speed details
I had no choice BUT to shop for the SALE PRICE, but guess what? got 2 great fat tire e bikes for less than $2000 from AMAZON! both fast 500W with 48V batteries but one is 26" and the other 20". Love the hell out of them in town or ON THE BEACH!!!!!!!
what
FUNKMASTERJEE said everything that the rest of us were thinking.
i know find a race track and put all on top speed most laps how long can run until battery runs out
Yeah, your choice might be for something specific, like racing or rough terrain, personally I go for economy, just getting from A to B and convenience, that's why I have a kwikfold, it's no formula one that's for sure, but it can manage 20mph on level roads with a 25 mile range, though I have added an extra battery to extend that range to about 30 miles.
Street Legal bikes have a maximum motor wattege of 750 watts with a top speed of 20 MPH. So I sugest getting one with the best 750 watt motor.
Nathen Zuber Thats why I just ordered a 500watt conversion kit. Enough power/ride time but not as much battery weight as 750 watt.
depends where you live and whether or not you care about the law that much
What happened to the Wolverine BM, 7000W bike that is suppose to do 70 MPH, they were bragging about in the video previous to this one. It is also made by Hi Power Cycles.
You should show comparison while racing up a slope too
Gearing (both internal and external) and wheel size also make tremendous differences.
So from this test it makes sense to get a 250W as the weight difference of the bikes is huge and through traffic and city riding it is far cheaper to run a 250w and easier to pedal when your battery is low .
Seb K
Sweet . Cheers man .
Seb K
Man, you are absolutely right !!!
yeh but.......the 750 watt is a direct drive instead of gear reduction, that would make a little difference. and there was no mention of voltage's used. and why turn the kraken down?
That trike looks terrifingly fast
In future videos, it would be nice to have the speed in km/h as well. I have no idea how fast these bikes were going. Most people outside the US won't either.
+eggmancorp Most people outside US use km/hr
+Phil Jones You ever heard of the metric system? I mean, your units are interesting, but only the US and Ivory Coast are using this shit.
The UK is still using MPH, however we have the intelect to convert in our heads because we travel to other parts of the world and learn both systems in school (we did until the 90's anyway)
MPHx .6 = KPH
1 mph=1.6 km/h
2:26 Look at that speed
Lol
For us regular e-bike users, range and noise level is more important to us than speed.
+Don O (DONON) nope
+Ariel Lezen Yes
+Don O (DONON) Agree, Bafang mid drive motor beats the shit out of a hub based motor for most applications. More torque, efficiency and near silent. Once you go mid drive you can never go back.
Mid drives are more economic as they pull the chain . Also less stress on the wheels for this reason . Rear drive has the most torque of all Ebikes and front drive sucks .
Don't forget that the more powerful bikes are illegal without full licence . Here in the UK the legal limit is 250W and i in the US it's 750W which is why both my bikes have limiters .
To be fair though i havent seen a policeman book any one running higher wattage push bike
this don't tell you how long battery stays charged up or how long you have to charge it up and also how stipulated of hills you can go up peddling or on motor thanks
William Vanderpool
this video wasn't meant for that
Those are all considered motorcycles over here.
On a bike you have to pedal.
Hence Pedal-Assist was made.
Good comparison test, but all is useless without self recharging battery, I suggest you use alternator or energy generator, converting mechanic energy to electric energy, recycle power
self recharging battery? you mean regen braking, or a perpetual motion machine
But you never mentioned what batteries you using for each bike
okay okay.. How much is the Kracken and do they have a 24 inch o 20 inch version? I am a 5"7 midget.
it would have been nice to have more specs about each bike... for instance what type of batteries were in them, lithium ion, lipo? their Amps and Amp/h too, and also the controler, how many amps can it send to the motor.... those are very important specs to have when you then want to figure out "what makes the difference"...
I was mildly interested in these electric bikes when I saw the Rambo ebike at a gun store. The more I learn, the more disappointing the technology is at this time. The range needs to be at least 40 miles including hunting gear and a light weight trailer with numerous hill climbs for the hunting use case. Then it has to be recharged when you are 50 miles from anything in the sticks....
For the price of the Kraken nicely equipped, you could buy a Polaris Ranger or RZR900....
Does a mid-drive let me change gears.
Yes
Yes
my adrenal gland just tried to hang itself
Thanks for the review, guys
Where is the B-52 Stealth Bomber ????
to expensive ^^
But the b52 ain't a stealth. It's the b2
agreed ... speed is only 1/2 the battle. 60mph for 10 miles does not compare to 20mph for 20 miles ... especially when your trip is about 7 or 8 miles one direction. BUT then, what about the trike and the way a trike lends itself to reduced drag and potential streamlining?
In Ohio, there's the danger that the 1000 watt bike you buy today, might become a motorcycle tomorrow.
Here's what I'd like to see is turning a can am spyder with a 100 mile range full electric plug in with a range extender powered trailer pusher engine to push and recharge bike. In Australia push bikes in any configuration aren't allowed on the freeways 100 plus km/h zones
I just bought a RadWagon they sell it stating 750 watt motor; it says 500 watt on the shell casing. Radpower assured me that it is a 750 in a 500 watt shell? Heard of anything like this?
+quosmo1 or they're trying to fool the grumpy police out there who'd ticket you for riding a 750W bike on the road, assuming 500W is legal where you are. Only way to know is to test it, or multiply voltage x max current from the specs.
Well said funkmasterjee, lets get the show on the funking road
OMG!!! That first race!!! Like watching snails! LMFAO!
The trike prob feels fast af too being low to the ground. Thing is, you can definitely build a bike with a kit and a few additional parts for a fraction of the cost. It would be uber competitive against these high priced builds as well.
true
but what about range?
wouldn't a lower power bike have significantly higher range at less battery weight even?
So a 750 for every day use and a 2000 for a bit of off fast road/go faster if thats your style. Everything else is too slow or a bit pointless for the average person?
1. pedal assist
2. 750 is gonna go slowwww up a hill and 2000 is gonna do just fine
I think pedaling would help some of those vehicles more than others.
That first race was intense 😅
FYI: Rider weight has very little effect on top speed, it has a huge effect on acceleration but very very little on top speed. And considering that all of these "tests" were basically acceleration tests then the rider size would/should have an effect. Find some place where you can hit a sustained top speed, and then swap riders, you'll be amazed.
Love the Mid-Drive Motoped!
In the 8th race I noticed that the Blue Streak had over 4.6 times the wattage of the Oasis, but only goes slightly over 2 times faster. Watt waster?
did you never consider weight
What’s was the battery voltage per bikes
thanks so much for this video kraken would be my next shop
2:30 wow so intense
BAHA the last race was almost insulting but so funny. Try the Motoped vs Oasis Cruiser but *twist*.. the cruiser can pedal
So a $10,000+ bikes goes faster than a $1,200 cargo.
N Ahmed the motoped xrz is going to start around $8800 USD
you can get a 50kW Zero would smoke them and costs about the same or less.
How much did the two riders weigh at the point of this recording?
Vegeta, What is that bicycle's Power level?
It's over 9000!!!
It needs to be said, most of the e-bikes in this video are NOT street legal. If you are looking to get ebikes banned, this how you do it. These are electric motorcycles, which would require dot lights, a motorcycle endorsement, registration insurance & a dot helmet in most states to operate on public roads. Get caught ripping down a bike or multi-use non-motorized path and your looking at a big ticket. Operator beware! They look like a blast, but the distinction needs to be made.
I just posted above replying to another comment what I see as hypocrisy on this exact topic. Sit down street legal scooters, even at 49cc and four stroke, are usually (in most states) required to be registered and insured, and the rider licensed with a motorcycle license. Furthermore, riding one is strictly regulated by the road laws, so riding on sidewalks, the wrong direction, running stop signs/red lights, and criss-crossing streets is out of the question. I see this daily in my city--some on bikes with no assist, some on electric bikes, and others on those 2-stroke 80cc kitted bikes (I know I am expanding out beyond electric bikes, but there is a point). The fact of the matter is that the laws' loopholes will be closed, and electric cyclists will see all their fun and games regulated by having riders being required to have licenses, just as one is required to have one for a 49cc sit down scooter.
culcune lol you can't regulate something if it's doesn't make sense it would be like trying to tell a one year old to not explore it's surroundings it does not make sense
culcune new York you only need it registered and a driver license not motorcycle licenses
Why don't you drop the cost of the reveneue raisers too
Interesting point. It's easy to forget that.
In almost all European countries everything above 250 Watts and 25 km/h pedal assist speed is illegal or considered a motorcycle and therefore requires a license plate, drivers license for motorcycles as well as mandatory insurance..... Nice to see what's possible anyways
(E-scooters always need a license plate as well as drivers license because they drive on their own, and still are limited to 25 km/h + ebikes are not allowed to accelerate at all on their own, only assist the driver by measuring the torque of the drivers pedal input and increasing that by 1.5)
would be interesting to see if you use a stromer st2 for your test,it only has a 500 watt motor but i doubt the 750 one can come even close
its over 9000!
long battery life and assist with 250w motor on flat road
if im going to spent 10 grand i rather buy a car then a bike lol.
kyle anderson Yeah and then you'd spend another 10 grand in maintenance, gas, insurance, registration, and emissions within 2 years of ownership. Also, you will not be able to avoid traffic by taking the bike paths.
@@outcast566 10 grand in maintenance and the rest? Wow nowhere near close.
Many people buying e-bikes have suspended licenses or is not legal to drive.
outcast566 non sense you must be beating the hell out of the car to spend $10,000 in maintenance and fuel.
I am don’t spend anymore than $2,000 a year on fuel and I live in Canada where it’s expensive
1. gas
2. maintenance costs
3. time
4. no license sometimes
5. no registration some times
TopGunBikes whats the max watts you can run on a 750w Bafang Hub safely?
Thanks!
i don't think you're gonna get an answer
8 people racing down a football field at the same time
not gonna happen
i wanna buy the moto ped XRZ but how much does it cost? and where can i buy it? i dont wanna pay 6,000 for a bicycle i dont care if its electric or not. some of these things are way over priced they need to cut the prices down they would sell ALOT more bc stubborn people like me just wont pay it. ill wait and wait and wait.....then i might get 1.
Thanks, for the video!
Release the Kraken!
The best you can get here is 500 W and 32 mph top speed, and this is already classified as a light motor vehicle. Standard pedelec with all rights like a bike is limited to 250 W, 17 mph and no throttle.
This part of living here is really a huge disadvantage, seeing how cool the bikes are you Americans can buy.
rip
It's over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice db reference!!!