An extraordinary story. I agree with Richard Rodney Bennett and keeping an open mind. Whatever the reality I thought the "Schubert" piece was lovely and even if she wrote it herself and all the others she deserves recognition.
I was 16 when I first watched this on the Telly. It amazed me then as I was playing the trumpet and reading music for a couple of years. It still amazes me now at 71. I felt she had to be legit as I'm sure any musician would be impressed by her. Bet she is with them now Bless.Her.
What a peculiar story. I had heard of this years ago, and recently I heard her voice sampled on a song by Australian group, Avalanches. Very well spoken.
Whatever people may say this woman was observed by professionals and they found her compositions demonstrated a knowledge which it is unlikely she would've had without rigorous training, while this lady worked full time. Whether she was imagining it or not, you can't call her a sensationalist.
Some have a knock for improvising in a composer’s style, like Noam Sivan, it’s a type of savant who can see the music at a the highest level of abstraction. Unfortunately I also can see “style errors” that reveal her as an amateur, listen to her Liszt which is nonsense
It’s possible to do the same thing if you have 1. a friend which is a well trained musician or a composer who can create music in a historical manner (it’s often called Period composition) 2. ability to memorize a great amount of stuff (like Hyperthymesia) 3. basic music skills to write down what you’ve remembered. I personally find this story very interesting (I read her book “Musik aus dem Jenseits” and listened to her recordings) but for me honestly, it’s really hard to believe.
@@1951oceanoYou have to be familiar with Cockney Rhyming Slang to understand the joke: “Brahms and Liszt” means “pissed”, which is English slang for “drunk”. 😂
Obviously Mrs Brown is NOT composing the music herself, because a composer does not work 'note for note' as if dictated, in the way she is seen writing. If she were composing herself, she would make different sketches, change things, etc. etc. - and work on the piano. Writing down note for note on a table is not the normal way of composing.
Many artists feel like they are channeling when they create. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are channeling the spirits of dead people. It can simply be the flow of creativity that happens when your ego gets out of the way and you allow the music/art/dance lead the way. Hard to explain unless you've felt it, but athletes will describe a similar phenomenon: they stop thinking and simply do.
Her ability to channel painstainingly note by note is different than artists who claim to channel when they paint. And the woman did not have the musical training to write/compose music with such complexity. She's s an acquired savant, at the very least.
@@mmedeuxchevaux I'm just saying that there are many forms of channeling, and it doesn't have to be dead people working through you for it to feel like it's not you doing the work. Also, she's definitely had training. I've taught music theory, composition and piano for decades. Just the way she moves at the piano is consistent with someone who's been trained for years. And you have to have training to notate music correctly, you can't just randomly understand musical notation. That's my take as a music professional.
@@omniphoriusvcf907 from what i understand, she learned some piano in high school and played basic church tunes. she had no more extensive training - certainly not to the extent that she was able to compose such complex pieces, no?
In the distant past, I would have scoffed at such a story and found a "rational" explanation. However, a few years ago I encountered a boy of 12 who was a gifted psychic/medium. He could literally tell you, what you just wrote on a piece of paper. He could even give you very specific messages from those who've passed. In fact, his abilities were discovered when he was around 5, after announcing to his parents: a "message from Andy". It was for Andy's widow, their friend. And it relayed information about an insurance paper in her attic. Of course they told her. And because of that, she came into money. Life is not what we think. I believe this story. The music is indeed convincing.
@@Slate-writer I believe there was something put here on YT. But it was a bit odd as he got latched onto by a few "local mediums" with some very bad video making skills. They were making claims that it was "Mother Mary". They were all about "Christianity" from a very common perspective. The video didn't put him in a good light to say the least. To my understanding, his parent's were then pursuing a legitimate documentary. (As per the boy's "request"). It's been a few years and I haven't spoken to them in a while about it. I don't know if they want that kind of recognition any more. But, I should inquire. 🤷♂
She is probably telling the truth. Who are not telling the truth are the beings who claim they are famous composers and dictate music to her. For me, they are like actors playing a role. Somehow they know how their most emblematic and well-known music sounds and are able to recreate the same style. But the real composers were in constant evolution, they were not fixed in one style. Beethoven, for instance, before he died, was composing in a very different style from the Moonlight sonata 's. Why would he go back to a style that he was not interested in anymore?
1969: Is ROSEMARY BROWN Channelling the GREAT COMPOSERS? | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive 0804AM 18.12.24 old rosey was a genius in her own right. as for channeling - a load of old pony... look at that damp!!! and they whinge about a bit of mold in the modern era of cleanliness and easy living.... i think Dudley Moore referenced her in one of his and cook's comedic discussions... after such guff of prodigious proportions i imagine old Beethoven and Schubert flushing the lav: flush it once... wait a bit... flush again and then catch it unawares - and the lav should work. after her and her husband got completely rat arsed at the lamb and flag she, nay they both, decided it would be best placed to suggest to the irate and easily disturbed that her innate genius was of some other source a la Blake. and i challenge the less than erudite chap who inferred such a stance served two purposes - to ward off the jealous & furious and to sate any laughter should the scores fail to please... there's nothing dubious about any of this other than your desire to denigrate something she needed to do ie: play the damn piano....
@@SkyWidows Comments on ‘1969: Is ROSEMARY BROWN Channelling the GREAT COMPOSERS? | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive’ 0827am 18.12.24 old beethoven in the bedroom shouting out dictation would be a tad disconcerting...
JJONNYREPP When grooving that bag, and building an extension - um um chikidi aah - diminutive Dud, when asked if he had any difficulty with tall women, said, "Women's height is all in the legs. When you get them horizontal, they're all the same height".
All fascinating and interesting - until an objective musical mind gets to grips with it… Wherever Beethoven might be in the spiritual world by now, I am certain he has better things to do than ‘channel’ immature bagatelles through a spirit medium. For people who do not dismiss the existence of a spiritual world, one needs to have in mind that not all the beings that inhabit that world are necessarily benevolent. Mischief exists everywhere. As I said, this case is interesting, but if you listen to the music objectively, it ultimately proves to be not in the least uplifting… Hardly a ‘gift’ from the beyond. Denis Matthews is well-grounded on this.
1969: Is ROSEMARY BROWN Channelling the GREAT COMPOSERS? | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive 0814am 18.12.24 old Nietzschean scores found in packet of swan vestas, no doubt?
Maybe there is something in this, no matter how absurd it may seem. Paul McCartney has said on a few occasions that he feels almost like he is 'receiving' his music/songs on occasion. His most famous and successful song 'Yesterday', was written while he was sleeping. He wasn't even in a waking state to create that masterpiece.
The main obstacle here to at least keep an open mind about the possibility that a dead composer can dictate his/her music to a living person, never mind actually believe that this can happen, is really one's view about what happens to one once death occurs. If one believes there is nothing after this life, then this story is nonsense. But if one is an agnostic or even believes that one's mind, one's self, continue after physical death, then this story says an awful lot.
@ Schubert characteristics would be more lyrical major/minor shifts, left hand tremolos, suggesting inward facing, intoxicating sound worlds. That type of thing
I think the fact that she made mistakes in harmony and dictation is more evidence that she was channelling. If she were a well trained musician herself she would not have made these errors.
Yet, those with an academic and a deep knowledge of the music of those composers found that that music was very much in the style of those once living composers, apparently so much so that this music relayed to this woman could have been written by the dead composers. Out of all the expert witnesses in that film, there was only one who had doubts. The others did say the music could have been written by the composers when alive.
An extraordinary story. I agree with Richard Rodney Bennett and keeping an open mind. Whatever the reality I thought the "Schubert" piece was lovely and even if she wrote it herself and all the others she deserves recognition.
I was 16 when I first watched this on the Telly. It amazed me then as I was playing the trumpet and reading music for a couple of years. It still amazes me now at 71. I felt she had to be legit as I'm sure any musician would be impressed by her. Bet she is with them now Bless.Her.
What a peculiar story. I had heard of this years ago, and recently I heard her voice sampled on a song by Australian group, Avalanches. Very well spoken.
Been waiting for this docu...
Absolutely fascinating stuff.
Whatever people may say this woman was observed by professionals and they found her compositions demonstrated a knowledge which it is unlikely she would've had without rigorous training, while this lady worked full time. Whether she was imagining it or not, you can't call her a sensationalist.
Some have a knock for improvising in a composer’s style, like Noam Sivan, it’s a type of savant who can see the music at a the highest level of abstraction. Unfortunately I also can see “style errors” that reveal her as an amateur, listen to her Liszt which is nonsense
It’s possible to do the same thing if you have
1. a friend which is a well trained musician or a composer who can create music in a historical manner (it’s often called Period composition)
2. ability to memorize a great amount of stuff (like Hyperthymesia)
3. basic music skills to write down what you’ve remembered.
I personally find this story very interesting (I read her book “Musik aus dem Jenseits” and listened to her recordings) but for me honestly, it’s really hard to believe.
Não é esse o caso. Ms. Brown é autêntica
This does not apply in the case of Mrs. Brown.
Read and study Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, and the life of Jesus - Then you might have an Enlightened mind to accept change from above.
@@ValseMelancolique I just wanted to say the same !
Ive read her book "unfinished symphonies " and have some of her published music. A very interesting case.
I believe it, but then again, I'm Brahms and Liszt.
Sua opinião está fora do fato
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Genius! 😂
@@1951oceanoYou have to be familiar with Cockney Rhyming Slang to understand the joke: “Brahms and Liszt” means “pissed”, which is English slang for “drunk”. 😂
I am glad she's different to that bloody awful other Mrs Brown (played by Brendan O'Carroll,) and her boys. This 1969 one sounds really sweet.
I can't stand him
Obviously Mrs Brown is NOT composing the music herself, because a composer does not work 'note for note' as if dictated, in the way she is seen writing. If she were composing herself, she would make different sketches, change things, etc. etc. - and work on the piano. Writing down note for note on a table is not the normal way of composing.
Acute observation. Thanks for sharing, and of course you are right.
Many artists feel like they are channeling when they create. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are channeling the spirits of dead people. It can simply be the flow of creativity that happens when your ego gets out of the way and you allow the music/art/dance lead the way.
Hard to explain unless you've felt it, but athletes will describe a similar phenomenon: they stop thinking and simply do.
Her ability to channel painstainingly note by note is different than artists who claim to channel when they paint. And the woman did not have the musical training to write/compose music with such complexity. She's s an acquired savant, at the very least.
@@mmedeuxchevaux I'm just saying that there are many forms of channeling, and it doesn't have to be dead people working through you for it to feel like it's not you doing the work.
Also, she's definitely had training. I've taught music theory, composition and piano for decades. Just the way she moves at the piano is consistent with someone who's been trained for years. And you have to have training to notate music correctly, you can't just randomly understand musical notation. That's my take as a music professional.
@@omniphoriusvcf907 from what i understand, she learned some piano in high school and played basic church tunes. she had no more extensive training - certainly not to the extent that she was able to compose such complex pieces, no?
I remember learning of Mrs Brown as a kid and didn't believe it then (compare the Joyce Hatto story). Seeing this report now is fascinating.
Fascinating! 🌟
In the distant past, I would have scoffed at such a story and found a "rational" explanation. However, a few years ago I encountered a boy of 12 who was a gifted psychic/medium. He could literally tell you, what you just wrote on a piece of paper. He could even give you very specific messages from those who've passed. In fact, his abilities were discovered when he was around 5, after announcing to his parents: a "message from Andy". It was for Andy's widow, their friend. And it relayed information about an insurance paper in her attic. Of course they told her. And because of that, she came into money. Life is not what we think. I believe this story. The music is indeed convincing.
is there anything online about this boy's abilities?
@@Slate-writer I believe there was something put here on YT. But it was a bit odd as he got latched onto by a few "local mediums" with some very bad video making skills. They were making claims that it was "Mother Mary". They were all about "Christianity" from a very common perspective. The video didn't put him in a good light to say the least. To my understanding, his parent's were then pursuing a legitimate documentary. (As per the boy's "request"). It's been a few years and I haven't spoken to them in a while about it. I don't know if they want that kind of recognition any more. But, I should inquire. 🤷♂
Sounds like baloney
@@Ana_crusisRead and study Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, and the life of Jesus - Then you might have an Enlightened mind to accept change from above.
Might you have any more information on this gifted child? I would be very interested in learning more!!
She was a music-generation AI decades before the fact! 😁
It would be great if Derren Brown took a look at this and gave an opinion...
I'll be Bach
Thanks, Terminator! 😂
😂😂. Es aceptable.
She is probably telling the truth. Who are not telling the truth are the beings who claim they are famous composers and dictate music to her. For me, they are like actors playing a role. Somehow they know how their most emblematic and well-known music sounds and are able to recreate the same style. But the real composers were in constant evolution, they were not fixed in one style. Beethoven, for instance, before he died, was composing in a very different style from the Moonlight sonata 's. Why would he go back to a style that he was not interested in anymore?
Just been looking at the house on Harberson Rd on google earth !
Me too!
After reading this I had a look myself!
Balham gateway to the south (Peter Sellers) 😂🤣
Bal-HAM. Absolute genius that man.
And is there honey still for tea?
@@thetiredtomcat Honey's off, Dear.
Old 🇬🇧♥️
1969: Is ROSEMARY BROWN Channelling the GREAT COMPOSERS? | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive 0804AM 18.12.24 old rosey was a genius in her own right. as for channeling - a load of old pony... look at that damp!!! and they whinge about a bit of mold in the modern era of cleanliness and easy living.... i think Dudley Moore referenced her in one of his and cook's comedic discussions... after such guff of prodigious proportions i imagine old Beethoven and Schubert flushing the lav: flush it once... wait a bit... flush again and then catch it unawares - and the lav should work. after her and her husband got completely rat arsed at the lamb and flag she, nay they both, decided it would be best placed to suggest to the irate and easily disturbed that her innate genius was of some other source a la Blake. and i challenge the less than erudite chap who inferred such a stance served two purposes - to ward off the jealous & furious and to sate any laughter should the scores fail to please... there's nothing dubious about any of this other than your desire to denigrate something she needed to do ie: play the damn piano....
....what a read!!
@@SkyWidows Comments on ‘1969: Is ROSEMARY BROWN Channelling the GREAT COMPOSERS? | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive’ 0827am 18.12.24 old beethoven in the bedroom shouting out dictation would be a tad disconcerting...
JJONNYREPP When grooving that bag, and building an extension - um um chikidi aah - diminutive Dud, when asked if he had any difficulty with tall women, said, "Women's height is all in the legs. When you get them horizontal, they're all the same height".
The great composers are sadly all decomposing these days.
When asked to assess Mrs. Brown’s level of expertise, one musical expert replied, “Medium”.
😂😂😂😂
Love old songs "Mrs brown you got a lively daughter"
All fascinating and interesting - until an objective musical mind gets to grips with it… Wherever Beethoven might be in the spiritual world by now, I am certain he has better things to do than ‘channel’ immature bagatelles through a spirit medium. For people who do not dismiss the existence of a spiritual world, one needs to have in mind that not all the beings that inhabit that world are necessarily benevolent. Mischief exists everywhere. As I said, this case is interesting, but if you listen to the music objectively, it ultimately proves to be not in the least uplifting… Hardly a ‘gift’ from the beyond. Denis Matthews is well-grounded on this.
If she were male,they would have believed her and believed in her without question.
Nonsense. Her gender had nothing to do with it. They shouldn't have believed Uri Geller, and they shouldn't have believed Rosemary Brown either.
@@rosiefay7283 So do you have any evidence of fraud? You would be the first and only one.
1969: Is ROSEMARY BROWN Channelling the GREAT COMPOSERS? | Classic BBC Music | BBC Archive 0814am 18.12.24 old Nietzschean scores found in packet of swan vestas, no doubt?
Maybe there is something in this, no matter how absurd it may seem. Paul McCartney has said on a few occasions that he feels almost like he is 'receiving' his music/songs on occasion. His most famous and successful song 'Yesterday', was written while he was sleeping. He wasn't even in a waking state to create that masterpiece.
Difference is, he’s a genius. She was a total nutcase.
@@PaulMann-u1d McCartney a genius?
You can't really compare pop songs with the work of great classical composers
Originally ‘Scrambled Eggs’.
The main obstacle here to at least keep an open mind about the possibility that a dead composer can dictate his/her music to a living person, never mind actually believe that this can happen, is really one's view about what happens to one once death occurs. If one believes there is nothing after this life, then this story is nonsense. But if one is an agnostic or even believes that one's mind, one's self, continue after physical death, then this story says an awful lot.
Ah, those quaint English people! The world would be at a loss without them.
“Schubert” piece is more Chopin-ian if anything
What would later Schubert be like?
@ Schubert characteristics would be more lyrical major/minor shifts, left hand tremolos, suggesting inward facing, intoxicating sound worlds. That type of thing
Reminds me of a certain thief and small time crook suppos’d to have written Hamlet and Kimg Lear…
Isto é mediunidade. Autentica.
I think the fact that she made mistakes in harmony and dictation is more evidence that she was channelling. If she were a well trained musician herself she would not have made these errors.
19:13 muy Chopiniano
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Pity Monty Python didn't get hold of this. The sketch that wrote itself!
At first, I was sure it was Eric Idle or Michael Palin.
@@PhilUKNet LOL
Eric Idle did indeed write a whole sketch on this for his radio show ‘Radio Five’ in the 1970s - available online if you search for it.
@@PhilUKNet Nah, nothing like.
Pure, utter, unadulterated B.S., but convincingly presented.
She was obviously a fraud, but a clever one for sure.
No fraud could ever be proven in this case.
@@markusberzborn6346 Fraud is always very difficult to prove.
Read and study Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, and the life of Jesus - Then you might have an Enlightened mind to accept change from above.
why was she a fraud? because you don't believe this could be real?
Yet, those with an academic and a deep knowledge of the music of those composers found that that music was very much in the style of those once living composers, apparently so much so that this music relayed to this woman could have been written by the dead composers. Out of all the expert witnesses in that film, there was only one who had doubts. The others did say the music could have been written by the composers when alive.