just to challenge you on your thought process: in the hand where you have AK and decide to just "go with it" because there are just as many hands (such as AQ or AJ) that you have beat than beat you. Dont think of it like that. The real question ends up being: what hand do I beat in his 4 bet calling range that is willing to call a nearly pot sized all in? Because when you think of it like that, the answer ends up being close to nothing. He would flat call a 4 bet with 1010/JJ/some QQ and probably A10S+ and AQo+ and maybe something like 910s or 89s if the table is loose. So out of these hands, what is going to call a nearly pot sized bet that you beat with just top pair? You mention AQ and AJ, but they are most of time going to fold to this bet unless they are suited, but with the flush draw coming in from the Q and J of diamonds that leaves no more combos. The only reasonable hands that would want to call if they are a loose player is something like the 89s or pocket tens that just want to outdraw you. You lose to everything else that is willing to call you. The best move would have been to check the turn and check/call the river based on the sizing. if he jams you would have to fold based on my reasoning stated earlier. You would just hope to call a smaller bet because the check turn would make you look weaker and him just wanting to get called. this could have potentially saved at least 70-80$ (anything more than a 100$ bet you should probably end up folding) and would have turned this losing session into a winning session. Then on the hand where you have KQ you say that the sizing you made was a bit small on the turn, but I think it is very good sizing. You say you hope to target Qx hands with the bet, and i think it is a good size to get called by that type of hand (or im assuming possibly an open ended straight draw). you jamming there would only get called by another two pair (which you are blocking) or by an already made straight. So i like the small bet on the turn to set up a shove on the river where he is just getting crazy odds to call with anything. Can also induce a raise with a draw. I like the play with 89 of diamonds Not quite sure I understand the "too nitty" to get value idea on the AQ hand. Like you said most of their continue range is going to be a lot of Kx hands. You block the diamonds and the ace so most of their range is going to consist of spade draws or kings. With the bet sizing on the flop this would price out any type of gutshot unless it was the spade variety. I would either like a small bet that can call a raise because you are blocking boats with the ace and can hit the diamond draw, or a check (not super relevant in this hand because you werent super deep and would call it off anyway, but can be in the future if youre ever deeper stacked). I would only make the play you did if you had a read that an opponent is a calling station or if you had previous history with the player that would make them call down light. Seems like you did thought because they called you down light. I think you played the hand fine but just challenging some of the thoughts you explained about this hand.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply! I wanted to take some time to address all your points. 1. The problem with checking is that all of his range gets to realize its equity, a good portion of which we're ahead of. If the SPR were deeper I think we could start experimenting with more checks or small bets but with spr at 0.73 we're incentivized to deny equity to the pair + sd portions of his range. 2. I think the sizing is ok but I generally think live players are more inelastic when it comes to sizing. They're already playing way too loose pre and post and I think that mistake extends even to larger sizings. So IMO I would've liked to go bigger. 3. Thx! 4. I think there's more Ax in their range than you're implying. If they have KJo and KQo, they probably have ATo, AJo, A2s+, etc. At that point, there would be more Ax in their range than Kx. Given my read that the population is calling too wide and too frequently, I think targeting that portion of their range is defensible. These are just my thoughts though and I don't think I'm an expert by any means (as evidenced by some of my plays lol). Appreciate you taking the time to reply and challenge my assumptions!
@@4betblind 1. I think im going to have to stick to my guns on this one. What are the combos of hands that can realize their equity? like i stated theres only something like 89s and pocket tens, but i could also throw in there some combos Q10s and J10s and K10s, if you even think someone wants to 3 bet and then call a cold 4 bet with these. Hands that will call a 4-bet that also beat you are tens, JJ, some queens, some KQs, some KJs, some A10s, some QJs, and possibly some 910s, as opposed to the fewer combos that I stated earlier. He has the range advantage AND the nut advantage on this board. And not only that, you have an ace in your hand that would be blocking his outs. I dont think spr is relevant here. His range is ahead of yours, but also your specific hand. 2. How much bigger? you said he had 280 in his stack and you bet 100 into 200. that leaves him with 180 on the river with a pot that would be 400. To me thats textbook sizing on how to get your opponents stack in by the river. Betting 150 will better charge the straight draws cause if they brick there is a decent chance they will fold on the river even if its a straight+pair combo, but will leave them only 130 on the river with a pot thats 500. Anything more than 150 doesnt really make sense to me cause youre just leaving them with peanuts by the river, and might as well just shove turn to make it look like a bluff. 4. Fair enough. Depends on the players and population. Id do what you did at certain casinos and no so much at others lol
1. Ya I'm starting to see your point here. It is pretty difficult for them to 3bet hands like QT and JT in the first place so those hands aren't super prevalent. And then vs the rest of his range we're either in deep trouble or have a lock on the hand, so equity denial is less relevant. Definitely think you're right here. 2. I think 150-180 would be my preference. Again, I think a lot of opponents just look at their hand here and decide if it's good enough to call a turn bet, with much less thought given to effective stack sizes and river spr. It is player dependent though. 4. Ya it's hard to really know how unknown opponents will respond but the most frequent mistake I've seen in the games I play is people calling down far too wide almost regardless of sizing. People also have a tendency to underfold ace high boards as well (which I think this hand reinforced). But I definitely can see an argument for checking.
Great video Eugene is a fun place for poker for sure. Check out full house poker if you get the chance they have a 10k bad beat jackpot that the bad beat hand goes down every day tell hit. High mountain can be fun as well. Love the content keep it up
What happen.?? not even 10 min this time.once i sub is going to 1k then 1200k... It's going to get traction.. but it needs to be between 10 and 20min... Next time for sure..13
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You've got good commentary man. I hope the channel grows accordingly.
thanks man, appreciate it!
^^What he said. Also, Hi, Bruce!!
Wow that AQdd value bet was sick 😮
a real man makes his own luck! you had me hysterical over this one! omg! thank you for teaching me so much!
I, too, tend to check-raise all-ins!
just to challenge you on your thought process: in the hand where you have AK and decide to just "go with it" because there are just as many hands (such as AQ or AJ) that you have beat than beat you. Dont think of it like that. The real question ends up being: what hand do I beat in his 4 bet calling range that is willing to call a nearly pot sized all in? Because when you think of it like that, the answer ends up being close to nothing. He would flat call a 4 bet with 1010/JJ/some QQ and probably A10S+ and AQo+ and maybe something like 910s or 89s if the table is loose. So out of these hands, what is going to call a nearly pot sized bet that you beat with just top pair? You mention AQ and AJ, but they are most of time going to fold to this bet unless they are suited, but with the flush draw coming in from the Q and J of diamonds that leaves no more combos. The only reasonable hands that would want to call if they are a loose player is something like the 89s or pocket tens that just want to outdraw you. You lose to everything else that is willing to call you. The best move would have been to check the turn and check/call the river based on the sizing. if he jams you would have to fold based on my reasoning stated earlier. You would just hope to call a smaller bet because the check turn would make you look weaker and him just wanting to get called. this could have potentially saved at least 70-80$ (anything more than a 100$ bet you should probably end up folding) and would have turned this losing session into a winning session.
Then on the hand where you have KQ you say that the sizing you made was a bit small on the turn, but I think it is very good sizing. You say you hope to target Qx hands with the bet, and i think it is a good size to get called by that type of hand (or im assuming possibly an open ended straight draw). you jamming there would only get called by another two pair (which you are blocking) or by an already made straight. So i like the small bet on the turn to set up a shove on the river where he is just getting crazy odds to call with anything. Can also induce a raise with a draw.
I like the play with 89 of diamonds
Not quite sure I understand the "too nitty" to get value idea on the AQ hand. Like you said most of their continue range is going to be a lot of Kx hands. You block the diamonds and the ace so most of their range is going to consist of spade draws or kings. With the bet sizing on the flop this would price out any type of gutshot unless it was the spade variety. I would either like a small bet that can call a raise because you are blocking boats with the ace and can hit the diamond draw, or a check (not super relevant in this hand because you werent super deep and would call it off anyway, but can be in the future if youre ever deeper stacked). I would only make the play you did if you had a read that an opponent is a calling station or if you had previous history with the player that would make them call down light. Seems like you did thought because they called you down light. I think you played the hand fine but just challenging some of the thoughts you explained about this hand.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply! I wanted to take some time to address all your points.
1. The problem with checking is that all of his range gets to realize its equity, a good portion of which we're ahead of. If the SPR were deeper I think we could start experimenting with more checks or small bets but with spr at 0.73 we're incentivized to deny equity to the pair + sd portions of his range.
2. I think the sizing is ok but I generally think live players are more inelastic when it comes to sizing. They're already playing way too loose pre and post and I think that mistake extends even to larger sizings. So IMO I would've liked to go bigger.
3. Thx!
4. I think there's more Ax in their range than you're implying. If they have KJo and KQo, they probably have ATo, AJo, A2s+, etc. At that point, there would be more Ax in their range than Kx. Given my read that the population is calling too wide and too frequently, I think targeting that portion of their range is defensible.
These are just my thoughts though and I don't think I'm an expert by any means (as evidenced by some of my plays lol).
Appreciate you taking the time to reply and challenge my assumptions!
@@4betblind 1. I think im going to have to stick to my guns on this one. What are the combos of hands that can realize their equity? like i stated theres only something like 89s and pocket tens, but i could also throw in there some combos Q10s and J10s and K10s, if you even think someone wants to 3 bet and then call a cold 4 bet with these. Hands that will call a 4-bet that also beat you are tens, JJ, some queens, some KQs, some KJs, some A10s, some QJs, and possibly some 910s, as opposed to the fewer combos that I stated earlier. He has the range advantage AND the nut advantage on this board. And not only that, you have an ace in your hand that would be blocking his outs. I dont think spr is relevant here. His range is ahead of yours, but also your specific hand.
2. How much bigger? you said he had 280 in his stack and you bet 100 into 200. that leaves him with 180 on the river with a pot that would be 400. To me thats textbook sizing on how to get your opponents stack in by the river. Betting 150 will better charge the straight draws cause if they brick there is a decent chance they will fold on the river even if its a straight+pair combo, but will leave them only 130 on the river with a pot thats 500. Anything more than 150 doesnt really make sense to me cause youre just leaving them with peanuts by the river, and might as well just shove turn to make it look like a bluff.
4. Fair enough. Depends on the players and population. Id do what you did at certain casinos and no so much at others lol
1. Ya I'm starting to see your point here. It is pretty difficult for them to 3bet hands like QT and JT in the first place so those hands aren't super prevalent. And then vs the rest of his range we're either in deep trouble or have a lock on the hand, so equity denial is less relevant. Definitely think you're right here.
2. I think 150-180 would be my preference. Again, I think a lot of opponents just look at their hand here and decide if it's good enough to call a turn bet, with much less thought given to effective stack sizes and river spr. It is player dependent though.
4. Ya it's hard to really know how unknown opponents will respond but the most frequent mistake I've seen in the games I play is people calling down far too wide almost regardless of sizing. People also have a tendency to underfold ace high boards as well (which I think this hand reinforced). But I definitely can see an argument for checking.
Love seeing some Eugene poker!
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I dont like the AQ all in but good it worked. I think you will get far more calls with 120-150 on the river from Ax hands.
The OOP x/r flop c bet is very good, i don't think it is GTO approved, but exploitative approved.
It works 30% of the time every time.
KQ and KJ plays exactly like that as well so you cannot exclude them from the range.
nothing like some thin value!
Interesting.
Hi Bruce!
What was the “huge river”? The blank the last hand?
yeah the river where I won 40% of the chips I cashed out with
Great video Eugene is a fun place for poker for sure. Check out full house poker if you get the chance they have a 10k bad beat jackpot that the bad beat hand goes down every day tell hit. High mountain can be fun as well. Love the content keep it up
Thanks man. I used to play at Full House all the time! I'll definitely swing by and check out the games.
Sup Bruce
Hi just subscribed!
thanks Danny!
What happen.?? not even 10 min this time.once i sub is going to 1k then 1200k... It's going to get traction.. but it needs to be between
10 and 20min... Next time for sure..13
short session, short vlog! I have some bigger events coming up that should be a bit longer though.
First LFG!
Is there a men's only tournament? No. Well then why should he not play in the women's tournament. So up yours man.
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@@4betblind keep fighting the good fight John
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